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Ep. 20 | Beyond Belief w/ Paranormal Pops | Sasquatch & Sourdough Podcast · Sasquatch & Sourdough

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  SPEAKER_05: Welcome to Sasquatch and Sourdough, the podcast where we embark on a journey into the depths of the unknown.
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  SPEAKER_05: The mystery of life.
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  SPEAKER_05: Weaving together threads of ancient scripture.
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  SPEAKER_05: What do you mean?
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  SPEAKER_05: Biblical.
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  SPEAKER_05: Tales of high strangeness.
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  SPEAKER_05: Tell them about the Twinkie.
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  SPEAKER_05: Whether you're a seeker of truth.
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  SPEAKER_04: We believe it's the heart of the house.
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  SPEAKER_05: We're simply hungry for a good story.
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  SPEAKER_05: What about the Twinkie?
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  SPEAKER_05: Sasquatch and Sourdough invites you to join us on a journey of discovery, wonder, and deliciousness.
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  SPEAKER_02: They fill your methods, your theories are spooky.
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  SPEAKER_05: So grab your backpack, sharpen your senses.
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  SPEAKER_05: Do you think I'm spooky?
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  SPEAKER_05: And prepare to explore the sacred mysteries of our highly strange world like never before.
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  SPEAKER_05: And that is the whole problem with aliens.
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  SPEAKER_03: And she is here to tell her story and her experience.
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  SPEAKER_03: She has had several kind of weird encounters.
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  SPEAKER_03: So welcome, Wendy.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much for having me.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're awesome.
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  SPEAKER_03: I really appreciate it.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_03: I love, we've just been talking for like an hour, and we are just already like I do everyone that comes on here.
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  SPEAKER_03: We're just all new best friends.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's really amazing how God brings this all together.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um, I mean, you you came out of nowhere.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, I joked with you before about um how I actually do make sourdough.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I thought that was hilarious, you know.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it's kind of two things together here.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think the I think I found you because you either had an ad on on Instagram or you're you came up in my feed and it was for Valentine's Day.
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  SPEAKER_03: So this will actually drop before Valentine's Day, and you have these incredible little creations of just amazing chocolate pops that you made.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, what Bigfoot lollipops?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes, please.
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  SPEAKER_03: How can I how can I do this?
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  SPEAKER_03: So um why don't you share first share uh how that started?
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I I would really love to do that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: The floor is yours.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so um my business is in honor of my dear friend who passed away from a rare brain tumor, actually within three months from start to finish.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it was very fast.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um she was um uh just a wonderful person, um, kind soul.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was a researcher and took it very seriously.
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  SPEAKER_00: And she um, I mean, she would really be boots on the ground.
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  SPEAKER_00: She would go in caves, she would just go, you know, wherever she had to go.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um I did not know her until um gosh, probably 2019.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um she um I had this really strange image on my camera.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was just really weird.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I didn't know anything about Mufon or you know who to call or anything like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was just Googling because I was just wondering what it was, and I couldn't find anything like it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I it brought her name up.
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  SPEAKER_00: At the time she was with Mufon.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not a fan of them, just so you know, but at the time she was, I don't know why I'm going in and out, but she um she was um with them.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was their, you know, kind of their state, I guess, contact or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, she I sent the image to her and she was like, well, let me do some experiments and and see if I can figure this out.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, she thought she might have known what it was, but it turned out that the one I had was like a 3D and it had movement.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was just really weird.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um so anyway, that brought us together.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then from there, um, we formed this incredible friendship.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh she actually taught me a lot about the power of God, your mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I know the power of God, I'm a Christian, but I've never been one to grow up around this kind of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm just not sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not in my background or anything.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um she really taught me how to use your mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: You've got power in your mind through Jesus Christ to control what enters your mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then she also taught me that, you know, um trauma has a lot to do with a lot of this stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: People who have gone through severe traumas in their life, she she had actually been through a lot of trauma.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as have I.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so it kind of puts you on a different frequency, as she would say, to where you can actually just, you know, you can just hear and see things that other people can't.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um and that is definitely true, but um, but she's the one that taught me.
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  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, back to how this business started.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um after she passed away, um, there was a celebration of her life in Tennessee and um, I mean in close to Nashville.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I just had the forethought to um bring these chocolates.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, did I lose you or are you still there?
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_03: No, I'm still here.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_03: There's something weird going on with the it's not recording the camera.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know why.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hang on.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm trying to pull it back.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, weird things happen sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_03: So aggregate.
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  SPEAKER_03: No, it's it happened.
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  SPEAKER_03: It was happening while you can turn off the camera while recording, but you can't switch cameras.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I don't want to turn it off.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_03: I want to turn it back on.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_03: There we go.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um it it keeps g it gave me like a pop-up saying that it wasn't recording the the video.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's been giving me a hard time since I got on.
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  SPEAKER_03: So all right.
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  SPEAKER_03: It happens.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so this kind of uh weird stuff happens, but um I know um yeah, continue.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sorry about that.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um so I just thought, you know, I want to take some stuff that really I want to take some stuff there.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I I've always loved to cook and do crafts and all that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I made these little chocolate um aliens, Bigfoots, and take them to this little Baptist church, you know, and um and I had them in a basket while I was making them.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was up till about two o'clock in the morning making this stuff, and and you know, I don't really care if anybody believes me or not, but I was literally having a conversation with her.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it was like I'm talking to you, but it was in my mind, and and I was um just hearing her and she was saying those are so great.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's like, you know, we've had the single mom talk several times.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's like, you need to sell these.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, this is for your celebration of life.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not selling these, you know.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: And she's like, You're gonna sell these and you're gonna call them paranormal pops, they're out of this world.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I just was like, I was just sitting there going, is this happening?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, you really you know what's happening, but is it happening?
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's kind of just one of those wacky things that's actually wonderful.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I just kind of put that in the back of my mind because I'm like, you know, fighting with her, like, am I gonna sell something, you know?
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was like this little back and forth.
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  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, um I kind of had my moment with her, how much I love you, and you know, all that stuff, and I want to cry.
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  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I haven't told the story in a while, but um anyway.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I go to the celebration of life.
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  SPEAKER_00: I really don't know many people, but a couple of people, and um walking to the parking lot, and I had brought, you know, macaroni and cheese and all this other stuff too, because they have the little after get together, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm kind of loaded up, and I run into this incredible couple in the parking lot, not by chance, of course.
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  SPEAKER_00: Kevin uh Kell and Terry Link.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um, they helped me carry the stuff into the little room that you're going in afterwards, and uh they saw those, and Terry said, You've got to hide these.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like these things are too nice.
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  SPEAKER_00: I said, I can hide them, you know, and we were laughing and she's like, No, they're great.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so um I still I just want to pass them out to everybody, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, after it was over, um everybody was just really, you know, wow, these are really neat.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and even the pastor, this little old man, he was just wonderful.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's like, you know, everybody go into the the room afterwards and have some eats, and you're gonna see this big cake with a big alien on top or UFO or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was just wonderful, this Baptist preacher, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he really knew her and loved her for who she was.
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  SPEAKER_00: And anyway, so that's kind of how that started.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then um Precious Terry and Kevin.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he helped Kevin Calmedia, he's in Paris, Tennessee.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, fantastic people, he helped me uh design the logo, which is very cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's very nostalgic, like a 50s almost logo that you'd see on candy or something.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's so cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: It really is cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's uh kudos to him, and I give all credit to him for that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he really helped me with that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then just along the way, um, you know, Terry would share stuff and Katie Cook, who was Angelia's best friend and became now one of my best, very best friends.
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  SPEAKER_00: She um helped me.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was on some podcasts and shared it every time she would hold one up and talk about it and just really was supportive.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um uh Angelia has a daughter named Shanna Simpson who's doing her own thing now called um Paranormal Friends of Um Fairview, and it's in Tennessee.
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  SPEAKER_00: So she's on her own um doing her thing too, which is great.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um but um but I just made it clear from the very beginning that this is all to honor Angelia.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I get to do that, you know.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: Every time I have an online order, they get a set of Angelia wings instead of angel wings.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love getting up on the website.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love special.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then when I do conferences, um, you know, I've got this huge display.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have an alien I sewed, he's about seven feet tall named Paranorman, and he'll sit in a chair with her book that she wrote.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm gonna hold that up.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know it's gonna be reversed, but um, it's UFO encounters and it's how high strange events transform human perception.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's a fantastic book.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: You can get that on Amazon, but she wrote that, and you can kind of get a feel of of uh her research in there.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's wonderful.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_03: I'll make sure that I link all that in the in the show notes.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for that.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um I put up a display and I have the wings, they're all donations, and we've been able to donate in her name um since her passing and doing this to children's hospital, um an autistic organization in Utica, New York.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, another children's home here in Tennessee.
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  SPEAKER_00: We did um last year, it was just always cry at the conference.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we always for free hand out the um military logos and chocolate to any that we see.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's just uh what we do.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: So we did um donations for that.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, if anybody wants to, they can.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: If not, whatever.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_00: And we have the wings.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so this year we donated um some money to Guns to Hammers, which is a veterans organization in Texas who helps disabled and wounded veterans by going in and redoing their houses.
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  SPEAKER_00: But all this is in her name.
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  SPEAKER_00: So everybody gets to hear the story, and then every year there's always people who knew her, you know, we just hug, we cry, we talk about her.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: So it's just really it's really all about her for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um because she was just an incredible person and and her work was so important.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I didn't even get to know her long enough to, you know, it just the the time I knew her was there was so much about her that was just like, I mean, she is in she's in heaven, we all know that right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: But she is just having the time of her life, you know.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, she is just I love that you're honoring her le I mean, what a legacy, you know.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and that you're kind of continuing it.
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  SPEAKER_03: So do you wanna do you wanna take a little bit of a step back?
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  SPEAKER_03: Um and maybe share what that how you got to meet her.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like what was the encounter that started this?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, it was just that strange image on my um I have just cameras because I have chickens, so I have cameras placed, you know, for um predators.
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  SPEAKER_00: And just this image was just there.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um and I just didn't understand it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um it kind of freaked me out a little bit and I just didn't understand it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I actually um Googled it with the Google lens thing, and there's nothing.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, well, what is this thing?
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I mean they always say once you see you can't unsee something, and it's very true.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you try to put it in the back of your head, but you're like, what is that?
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  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, um it led me to her just through internet.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um I had never heard of um of her or any, you know, thing.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: So um at that excuse me, I have allergies.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um at that time she was with MUFON, which I had never heard of.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I I guess she was the state whatever they want to call it for Tennessee.
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  SPEAKER_00: So so that led me to her.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we talked on the phone.
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  SPEAKER_00: I sent her the image and she did some experiments and thought she knew what it was and then wasn't sure.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um so it was kind of what she was working on when she when I got the call that she from her that she had a brain tumor.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um wow.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um, but you know, at the end of her life, when I talked to her, she said, you know, Wendy, I now know that that image was purposeful and it was there to bring us together.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's very clear to me.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: It it was just whatever it is, it was just there to to bring me to her and her to me.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: So and then from there, it's just been this I mean, you know, wonderful group of people who um, you know, I've just been so blessed to to know and that that I have around me now.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: So it's just been amazing.
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  SPEAKER_03: But um I find that fascinating that this is an image, and you can describe it if you want, if you would rather not, that's totally up to you.
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  SPEAKER_03: But it just amazes me that this is something that you had a hard time wrapping your head around.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_03: You did a Google image search, it did not pick anything up, and then it just went to, you know, I mean, I think in terms of like how do the algorithms know, you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_03: So was it just like, oh, well, you're in Tennessee, I don't know what to do this, do with this, I'm gonna send you to MUFON or whatever, you know.
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  unknown: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the fact that she wasn't able to really even come up with anything is very interesting.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it um it is interesting, but you know, I underst I got to understand as a researcher, you have to make sure that you do process of elimination.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: So you want to see and I was a green horn.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I knew nothing about anything at that point, so I was totally relying on her to tell me what this was, you know.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it wasn't even about me like wanting to learn about stuff or whatever.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: I just was like, what is this thing?
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: And she it almost looked like a a deer hide.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: But but it had um things on the four corners of it, but it was like a 3D image and there was movement to it.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: So um she thought it could possibly possibly be like maybe a water.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it wasn't raining, but you know, we went through all that, but she thought that is maybe what it could be.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um but she just could never be sure what it was.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so after she was actually planning on coming here, um which is sad to me, you know, but um but like I said, at the end we both realized whatever that was, it was just there so that I would find her and then become this incredible sister friend to me, you know, like this person God sent to help me navigate through a lot of the other things um that um that I've seen that I I really keep kind of keep to myself.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: But um Sure.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, she was just instrumental and um and really the lesson I like I said before, I learned was just how your mind, um, how you have the power.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we have so much more power within us than we realize and that we don't use, but we just have to keep the focus on God because if we don't, that's when the evil swoop up and uh trick us.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know, devil can devil can be beautiful, Satan can be gorgeous, he can be beautiful, he's not this horny, you know.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_03: I said that no, you like the red guy with that choice of words, just the like hor horned demon thing.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for clarifying that for me.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um yes, thank you so much.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um but yeah, he he's a deceptor and he will, you know, that's his goal to ruin anything beautiful that God has has made.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, that's kind of like my take on Bigfoot and stuff.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: I I believe, it's just my opinion.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm not saying I know anything because we we really don't at all, but I think that there's good ones that are flesh and blood, and I think there's the interdimensional ones that are getting all this attention and in in in a way are putting a you know, a target on the back of the good ones because they're probably closer to their size and maybe could be formidable in a fight, a spiritual battle or something.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think they just want them wiped out, and that's their way of putting a target on their back.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think they're quiet, I think they're just um you know, there's probably some bad ones out there as humans, but I think for the most part, they're guardians of the earth and they're just good, and they're fighting from us because they've seen us uh desecrate the Indians and slaughter them, and they've seen all this, and you know, their stories are passed down.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that these are they're just taking over.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, any show you watch on TV is Bigfoot, Bigfoot, Bigfoot.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: And God isn't mentioned in any of that that I've seen.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, as far as the mainstream uh television shows, um, I know there's lots of other podcasts that are wonderful that that talk about the Lord and spiritual things.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: But if you don't talk about spirituality in God, I don't think that you're gonna be able to me have a a real genuine conversation because you know, I mean you can't.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_03: It leaves something out, I think, yeah, in the um in in the understanding, you know, we can we can gather up all the evidence that we we want, and there's still and it's kind of like you know, what we were we were talking about off camera, you know, it's the idea of like there's some things we're just not meant to know.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_03: You know, we're not supposed to understand everything.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_03: I think that we do get these glimpses, and I think this story is fascinating and really kind of proves that that we get these glimpses for a reason.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_03: You know, whatever the reason was that you saw this thing, I mean, in the back of your mind, I'm sure, hey, I've gotta protect my property, I've got chickens I wanna protect, you know, is this something that's gonna come after them?
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_03: You know, so practicality, I get it.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_03: You want to know what it is.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but then just to not have an idea of what that thing was, maybe it doesn't even matter what it was, you know.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm kind of at that point now with it.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, obviously I'll forever cherished it just because of, you know, it brought me to her.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't, you know, it's more about her.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: I don't really, I don't put a lot of thought into that thing because I don't, I don't know.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I I yeah I I feel like, you know, there's also something we didn't talk about that's important um that Angelia also taught me, and that's very true in my opinion, is the obsession that can come from all of this.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: You can become obsessed.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: And when you become obsessed, you don't sleep.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: You're constantly you know, looking, you're in and there's no balance of of just living life.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: You're cause you're so obsessed, and and that's not good.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um you know, um there there's no good in that.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um becomes like an identity.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it becomes your idea, it becomes your idea it to me, it just kind of engulfs you and it's all it's all you're about, and then it wins.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't think that's good, I think that's bad, you know, and then you're you're this little prisoner of this stuff.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: And that's not really the way that you want to go about trying to figure it out.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think you have to um use your mind and say, you know, and use your power in God and say, you know, if you're not good, I want you out of here, you know, um, because you can literally invite things even unknowingly sometimes.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: So you've got to really, really understand that this stuff's real and that it um is good, it is evil, and just be very careful and know your discernment through the Lord and let him give you that discernment to know what is good and what is bad, you know.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_03: You were gonna say something about your dad.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_03: Did you want to speak to something?
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: Well, my dad passed away, and when he passed away, I was very close to him.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: And um when he passed away um about two in the morning, there was this incredibly uh huge bright white orb.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I it it tripped my camera.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: So um I had this urgency to look at my camera, and when I did, that's what I saw.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean it even had the four corners coming out.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, and it was I knew that it was special and and it and I felt just this whole just peace, like you know, I I I know God's real, I know heaven's real, I knew that's where he went, but to have that confirmation um was unbelievable.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: And then we had a 14-year-old lab that we loved that died two days before my father, and that was crushing as well.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: And he had a trail right next to this little metal shed he would go up and down, and that orb moved over to the trail and then as if somebody poured liquid downstairs, it was doing this movement down the trail.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I say it because I really don't know how to describe it to you.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: Met with the orb, went around this little metal shed that my children had built.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: My dad knew that he was very close to them, and then it disappeared.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: But um the reason I'm saying that is because that is where my obsession started.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: Because now I want to see my I want to see that out my dad, you know, I want to see so that's where some things happened where the you know the evil stepped in and Angelia helped me stop that pretty quick.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um and understand that's you know, why that could happen and the power of the mind.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the Bible says to seal your mind too, and I believe that's a lot to do with that.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: We have to really seal it from all this stuff, you know.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of stuff that can be absorbed in your mind.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_03: So we take in so much information too.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, we're just constantly processing, and we're processing information now at a speed that we were not created to do so.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_03: So it's just, you know, sometimes you can just feel really overwhelmed.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_03: But I just think that's really interesting because you you kind of started with this.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_03: So it seems like that experience happened with your the with the orb after your dad and the dog passed, and then the other experience happened, is that correct?
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_03: So that's pretty that's pretty wild because you know, if you and I'm sure you've thought about that, but then you know, so that instance happened and you kind of got a little obsessive about it because you want to see your dad again.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_03: Like if that's where you that's where you went with it, like you believed that it's your dad, you want to see that again.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_03: And sometimes even just that seed can be distorted and manipulated, you know, that's kind of what you know, the the darkness kind of took a hold of.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_03: And then the other, and so to me, that's just God being awesome because he used that other light that you saw that you couldn't explain that you caught on camera, and was just like, okay, well, what about this thing?
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_03: And then, you know, so sometimes I always go back to like God just allows things to happen.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_03: People ask that all the time in this space, like, why was I allowed to why did I see that ghost?
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_03: Why did I see this?
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_03: Why did this happen?
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_03: You know, why did I see that Bigfoot or whatever?
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_03: And I think sometimes it's just God allowing that to happen because He's gonna use that.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_03: And he did, he used that for your glory um for his glory, obviously, and for your healing because you ran into just the right person to kind of you know help you in that.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean absolutely she was just wonderful.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, she impacted my life more than any friend I've ever had.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, she just she just came in.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: Every friend has their wonderful things they bring to the table, but she just came in and just I mean, it was just something that I will never forget, and I'll be forever grateful to her.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why I want to continue her, you know, legacy and honoring her.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's very important to me.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_03: So tell me some of the um so when you're at these conferences, are you doing like a lot of Bigfoot, would you say like paranormal conferences?
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_03: Like, do you have like a you like a big schedule or No, I mean, I wish I did.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm not really able to do the whole traveling thing, um, really just because financially you're kind of rolling the dice when you go to one, and I don't really have the money, to be honest, to roll the dice and wonder am I gonna make money?
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: Am I not gonna make money?
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of what's holding me back on that.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I just kind of let it because it's about honoring her, I just kind of let it grow itself, really.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um so I do try to do the Gatlinburg Bigfoot conference every year.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: I've done some festivals.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm in, you know, some restaurants and stores here locally, wholesale.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I also want to give a shout out to Expedition Bigfoot in Georgia in um Cherry Lodge, Georgia.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: They're dear friends of mine.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: They have carried, they have carried um my stuff.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: And she was actually the first person to carry my stuff.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I just always want to give a shout out to them.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: And they're just wonderful humans.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: Their place is awesome, the museum there, but they're just they're in Cherry Lodge, Georgia.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I actually um have the flyer here in front of me.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna link everybody, but this it's so funny because being, you know, kind of, I mean, I've never I'm we're from Maryland, so like I've never experienced Bigfoot.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_03: And I actually I was on a show the other day and they asked me, we were talking about like the Patterson Gimlin film, and I was just like, Yeah, I don't know how I feel about that.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like I I think it's real.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, you gotta look at the technology back then.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: It just wasn't right.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I kind of don't have any skin in the game.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_03: Like I, you know, I don't know.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_03: I just kind of like, I don't know, it kind of looks fake to me.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_03: But I also have I live in Maryland, so there's no, it's not like you know, I'm in an urban area.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_03: So I I appreciate hearing all of these encounters because I just don't think Bigfoot would be roaming around here.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_03: There's just too many people, you know.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_03: So I never want to like discredit, but it was just really funny because I was like, yeah, I'm gonna make no friends by saying that.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_03: But that's just not true.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_03: I gotta be honest.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, I know you do.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_03: You really do have to be honest, and and you know, that looks a little sus.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_03: But everything in the 70s to me looks sus, so that's a good point.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um but um, and you never know what somebody was smoking either.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: But um, but uh you know, I I would encourage um you or anyone if you if you really want to see, I mean, his their heart's in it, you know, David Vicara, his heart in this museum and and in everything he does here.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: So it's expeditionbigfoot.com.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: You can get all the information there.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but they're just great people, they're just really just I just love them to death.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um that's awesome.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I know I've got a lot of traveling that I gotta start doing here.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_03: I gotta figure this out because I want to come up with this, I want to see you.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_03: I will definitely there's so much going on in Gatlinburg.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, you are you like connected in that community at all?
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_03: Like the big but there's I know there's a lot of stuff.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_03: I always hear so much about it.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I will tell you who um who I really um would love to connect you with as well.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um is um Jessica Mora with um broken branch designs.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um awesome stuff.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they design her brother designs all the t-shirts.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, broken branch, you know, Bigfoot breaks a branch.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I like that a really cool name, but but they've got great stuff.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: But um, yeah, I mean, they're they're just um good Christian people.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I've met Tony Merkel a couple of times.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's he's really um very kind.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: I've met RPG.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I leave um bags of chocolate.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: We get there so early.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: So any speaker, I leave a bag on their table before they come in just because I want to.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: And he he came over and thanked me.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, nice.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: Took a picture, you know, holding the chocolate.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Maria Mare was wonderful.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: She was very sweet.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Amy Bugh, uh, love her to death.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and like I said, Katie Cook, she's just been uh such a great friend to me.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: And she um always promoted everything on her podcast.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: She's just been a great support system for me.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: But there's just been a lot of people.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but every year, you know, you meet um when is the festival?
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it is in July.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, see, it's tough because we, I mean, we're, you know, I obviously like, you know, I'm a mom, like we have a really, you know, busy understanding.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_03: It's always the it's I'm just in that season, you know.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, summer's hard when you're yeah, out of school and everything.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_03: But if I can get away for a festival, I keep telling I mean I'm I'm always I really want to make it to the West Virginia Bigfoot Festival.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_03: But that's I'm and I'm also the worst with traveling because I'm like, that's four hours away.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_03: So I need to just get over it and just do it.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: I would love to be able to, you know, go um just to the southern ones in the beginning.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like I would love to do the the Florida conference and the West, you know, but but my thing is in if it's a festival um and it's outside and it's hot, I can't do it because my chocolate will, you know, there's really no way to keep it.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_03: Right, because it's chocolate.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_03: That's true.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: But I do um really want to do, you know, more.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's just uh like I said, you just have to, you know, kind of have to get a feel for from people, how successful did you do?
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: Or, you know, you have to when you're when you're a baby kind of business trying to grow, because it takes a while, you know.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_00: But um the Mothman Museum, he carried some of my Mothman.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: I've greatly improved them since he got them.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: So but he does a festival which I I've wanted to go to, but I know as far as doing the chocolates there, it's outside.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_03: I know, yeah.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: So but it'd be fun to go.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it's tough.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: But um and the chamber of commerce, um oh gosh, area 51, and why is my mind blank?
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: Where's that at, you know?
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um my gosh, New Mexico.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, thank you, Roswell.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Roswell.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: My mind went blank.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um I had to think too.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: But they uh Chamber of Commerce um early on when I started, they I mean I sent them, I think it was like I don't know how many aliens, the tons of chocolate aliens.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, um that's awesome.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we do everything.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: We have dogmen, we have you know, chipacabras and it's all kinds of yeah.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: Our website has kind of our most popular stuff on there, not everything.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: So if there is something that someone goes on the website and wants, they can always message me privately and I'll make sure that you know we make it and ship it to them if it's not on the website.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: But oh, that's cool.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe I could maybe I can just like make up all sound design like an ad and I'll just put your ad in the middle of my episodes.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: Well that's very kind of you.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: I would love that.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: I told you I was gonna I messaged you and told you I was gonna send you some chocolate.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: So I will definitely send me all the chocolate.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_03: I told my husband this morning I was like, she's gonna send me some chocolate.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_02: Of course I will.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, all the chocolate.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I will hook you up for sure.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: Always appreciate anybody who I mean, this has been so great meeting you, you know.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's just amazing how that I just I'm so I'm always just enamored with the way this community is like going.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's just so cool.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_03: It really is so special.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_03: It really, really is.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_03: Um, it and I think, you know, I mean, I grew up with the X-Files, like that was like my favorite show ever.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I still I'm like re-watching it with my son, you know, and so it's it's just so neat that we're we're actually here where we're talking about this stuff, you know.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_03: They're talking about it in Congress, they're talking about it on mainstream media, you know, we're having these conversations.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_03: Where did the drones go, by the way?
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_03: I'd like to know because we seem to stop talking about it.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_03: Are they still happening?
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_03: I I think it's our people.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: I do.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's my take.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: I do kind of, I do kind of too.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: I I know, I don't know.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: Something going on, so you know, um, who knows?
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_03: I guess I think if it was like an intergalactic war that was starting, I feel like we would have talked like taken action rather than just being like, er, yeah.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, totally weird though.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: You can imagine with your kids in the backyard and this big huge SUV-sized drone comes flying over.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_03: But that again, look at that.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_03: Look at what I I found myself.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_03: Like my mom was in my mom lives in Delaware.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_03: So she was sending me pictures of stuff that her friends were seeing in Jersey, you know, like right over the ferry ride.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so it's like I was I found myself looking up at the sky.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_03: I was like looking up at the sky, and then I was like, what are you doing?
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like, there's this paranoia created um there was in Knoxville at the Target, they had them the same.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's just very bizarre, you know.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, you can't give power.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's it's a human nature to to have these feelings, of course, but you can't give power that fear just gets in there, and then it's like, you know, um, I mean, we all had it, but um, you know, it's I think ever since COVID, it's just been this doldrum kind of heaviness in the air kind of thing.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: So we just have to, you know.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: So how come tell me about the sourdough part of your oh my gosh, everybody asked me that.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_03: I just told them I need to um so I always joke and I I always say like when I'm on other podcasts, like my lipness, my lipness test is I can tell if you've listened to the content, which I know you have, but I'm never I don't go into it like from start to finish.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um I I know if you've like listened to the content, if you like ask me like, how's your sourdough starter?
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_03: Because I'm terrible at sourdough.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_03: And that's like my joke.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_03: But the way that it started was I um I kind of just got this nudge to do something sort of creative.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_03: And I was podcast, I was, you know, producing the podcast at church and I started getting into a position where I was telling I was on Instagram like, you know, like I did with you, just chatting with other people on Instagram and commenting on people's things and, you know, just kind of sharing my story that way in the comments.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_03: And then people would ask me to come on their show.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_03: So I went on the bump podcast with Bo Kenny.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_03: That was like the first time I ever had to sit and tell my story.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_03: So being able to sit and like write down, you know, write it out, like start to finish and just kind of go into it and sharing my testimony.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_03: And I kind of was like, after I did that, I was like, you know, I really enjoy kind of not sharing my story, but I kind of want to hear other people's stories.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_03: So how can I, you know, how can I engage?
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_03: How can I create content?
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what does that look like?
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um and so Bo was awesome and he just said, you know, just give it to give it to the Lord and see what he'll do with it.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_03: Like he's put this this idea, you know, on your heart.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_03: Just kind of take it and see what happens.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_03: And so I did that.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_03: I took his advice and then I just um it just went from there.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_03: So I then I thought, like, well, maybe I'll do like, oh, and I had started doing sourdough because I fell in love with the scripture.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's like first uh Thessalonians 4 11.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um, it's uh so aspire to live a quiet life, mind your own business, and work with your hands.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, that sounds like that should be my mantra.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_03: Like, cause I was trying to, you know, I love that.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_03: I got into like more of like the simple, you know, I wanted and I really enjoyed um just like making sourdough.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_03: I liked, I got into sourdough because that was like I got the like vision of like, you know, him just molding us with his hands.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, well, I want to work with my hands.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_03: And I already garden and do that sort of stuff, but I wanted to like really get in there, you know, need sourdough.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, need some dough.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_03: And I love sourdough.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_03: So I started that way.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_03: And I also heard a podcast, there's a podcast.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I was just talking about this with somebody else, but like it's called Sheologians.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_03: And the the one like host on there, she's always like, Oh, it's so easy.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_03: Anybody can do it.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_03: You just like throw it all together and leave it alone.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_03: And so I tried and I kept going with it.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_03: And I kind of was like, Well, should I, you know, maybe I'll just be one of those ladies that like talks about her sourdough and gives you the scripture and like it just didn't fall.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_03: It that's just not who I am.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe you just never show the loaf.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's what I thought it was gonna be, right?
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_03: Like I thought so then as I'm like making the sourdough, I'm just like, this is a failure.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like I can be easy.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's not easy.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care what anybody says.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's its own mind-blowing thing.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like here's so many things, you know.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_03: So well, and you know, I mean, I always wanted to be like, you know, I I did a lot of like writing and all that.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm kind of more on that end of creativity and not on like the cooking end of things.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_03: I just use the like folk method and like throw everything.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I would have been the perfect, like we talked about like off-air, the perfect like um hermit who lives in a hut that just has a cauldron that just like throws in a rabbit and like everything from her garden and then lets it simmer.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_03: Like, there it is.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm kind of how I cook when I cook.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: I really seriously, uh I'm uh very high in Scottish heritage and I have no patience.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_00: So painting anything I do is a mess.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I just don't have time to like tape everything off, or you know, I'm like, I'm not gonna sit here and spend 15, 16 hours making a loaf of bread.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not doing that.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I I do the same thing.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just whatever, you know, and it comes out fine.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_03: Throw it on a pot.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_03: My husband actually has to write his joke, is like, we have a we have like a big uh chalkboard in our kitchen, and there's times where like he's he's like, Are you are you cooking?
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_03: Because I'll start cooking and then I'll walk away and do like 10 other things.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_03: So he like wrote on the chalkboard, like, am I cooking?
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, this is like gotta be a sign of dementia or something.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_03: Like this is deeper than just me being a scatterbrain.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you know.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um, oh, are you frozen?
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, oh, now I can't hear you.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, no, I can hear you.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_03: Now there we are.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: My phone rang.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, my phone rang.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's right.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: You're clear it.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I had my office.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what happened, but it wouldn't let me open the the thing.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_00: Weird, strange.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_00: I've done FaceTime where I can do that, but uh it wouldn't let me.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know what happened.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, it's it's working, it's all that matters, right?
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly, exactly.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_03: All right, do you have any tips?
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_03: So I stopped use I stopped doing the starter like in general.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_03: So like I had I was doing really good with starters, and so basically, like I just for this for the podcast, you know, Stephen King always said, like, just write what you know, like do what you know.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_03: So it kind of like felt like that.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_03: Like, just do what you know, like you know, weirdos, you know, you know, you love all this parent.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you just set a table for these people to come on and tell the stories, you know.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_03: So that kind of it the Instagram became that.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_03: And I kind of just gave it back to God and He would give me, just like you know, you had said, you get these drops in your spirit of like creativity.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_03: So the thing for me was like we're like weirdly encouraging content.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_03: I made something and I don't know what kind of post it was, like I can't remember anymore, but it I I looked at it and I was like, wow, that's weirdly encouraging.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_03: And then I was like, Well, there you go, weirdly encouraging content.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_03: So that's like what the Instagram is, and then the podcast just kind of took off.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_03: It was it's me and my best friend, but now her schedule's different and we can still kind of she comes on like maybe once a month.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_03: But it's cool because I have I'm like booked up until like March.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_03: Like I got fantastic.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_03: It's just so you get to it and it's cool because all I'm doing is just like hey cool.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_03: You look cool.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_03: You want to come on you want to come hang out?
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like yeah but the but the connection I'm sure I'm not the only person obviously that you've you know you connect with people and people are kind of brought to you and that's because of what you're doing.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_00: I mean you have such a you know welcoming spirit and you and you and you're so kind and you're easy you know I mean I'm not the most you know um I have a lot of anxiety I don't have anything here talking to you I just I'm just talking I'm being myself I'm not and and that's because you're of you you know you're making it that way.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_03: So thank I appreciate that I I learned from the best like yeah I think I think Bo Kennedy does it really well.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_03: He just kind of you know sets just lets you you know kind of talk about it.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_03: And uh also uh Wes Germer, I I've never really connected with him but from Sasquatch Chronicles just such a great model of just let people sit and tell the story, you know, and just kind of let them feel you know like you're having a phone conversation.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_03: Because it's a vulnerable thing.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_03: It's really vulnerable.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that's why I had to tell my story um first was I I can't expect people to come on here and talk to me if I'm not willing to be vulnerable alongside them.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_03: So you know you're already not telling your family, you know, your pastor, you know whoever and it it becomes like a dirty secret for people, I think.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_03: And especially older older generations, I mean my goodness it just the stuff that they had to carry in general, I think that was just kind of you know that was that's a a lot of older people just kind of don't really share they don't really communicate they're not they're not communicative in that generation and yeah that's true.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_00: But even like I told you it's like you know if you look at anything on anything any feed no matter what social media platform there's immediate desecration of anybody.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_00: And so it causes this you know you know I mean I understand people have to do process similar if if you're bringing in someone and that's what they want to do.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_00: But that's why I don't even I just think you know when you get to a point where this is just what you see what is what you see there's nothing to prove.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know you you can't I mean I there's nothing to prove I don't I don't have anything to prove and a lot of people don't they just don't you know it's nice to be able to have people that are like you that believe in God that you can just kind of have like you said that small community with but as far as going out and you know what's the point?
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't um I don't need to do that.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: You know I don't need to be ripped apart or whatever.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know sharing helps other people in that respect.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean as far as me I don't need to start my own thing.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: Make a big you know I don't I don't have any desire to do that.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_03: Well you don't want to have a big spotlight on you know especially and I've I've met a lot of people here that um you know they're still going there they have a lot of stuff going on.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_03: You know I have a couple couple ladies I'm talking to now that they have a lot of crazy stuff happening on the property and it's like yeah it helps to like listen to podcasts about it but what do I what do I do?
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_03: You know, how do I get rid of it?
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_03: Like you know do I call the ghost yeah that's what we're doing is so important.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like you said, you know that's where that is so important.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um and that's what Angelia I mean she just protected her witnesses.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_03: I mean she was so protective but that's what she wanted people to have a place to come to share and get help you know and and true help like protected help where that wouldn't be you know what was the process like um because I'm not super familiar MUFON it works much differently.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm actually um uh when when I pull research for UFO stuff I usually go to um the National UFO reporting center that's where I get like all of my UFO kind of if I'm looking at an area and I want to know where stuff is but what was the experience with with MUFON for you um I really it really switched over to just a Angelia and I thing.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_00: Okay there was no report given I didn't want that once we started talking and actually um I'm not a don't want to get any kind of you know judgment but I'm just not a big fan okay of move on.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_03: I think that um they don't really want I've heard that from several people I I I think yeah I think that what they're doing is different and I think that people go there because it's what comes up when you search you know so that you think it's a good resource but I don't think that it's really going to be something that you're gonna necessarily now it seems like what she was doing was out of the norm.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_00: Well she left she left there and and was doing her own thing and um I just feel like they want to get all of you tell me your story tell me your thing but they don't they don't believe in they don't want to hear anything about Bigfoot but they want to hear it but they're not going to acknowledge it.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_00: So it's almost like a pick and choose thing but yet they have all the information.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I wonder if they're not a government organization.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah they're just trying to literate everybody to feed them all of their stories.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah I've heard that from several so I yeah it's interesting too because what so when I when we launched the encounter map like so I'm looking at all these different like resources like so I told you like the national UFO reporting center and they're good they've got you could file a report and stuff I always go back to them the bigfoot reporting I I love them Charlie and yeah yeah they don't know them at all I've never oh they're wonderful they're wonderful yes but I love their work and so and then like there's also like North American dogman like that website.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_03: So I pull from that stuff all the time.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_03: So when we created the encounter map I thought this is going to be great like people will come and like share their encounters and no nobody wants to share their encounters they want to tell their stories but they don't want it to be like on the record because it's like I get it you don't trust people with the story.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_03: You just don't know right I'm not a piece of data like this is my life and I appreciate that I don't actually now my husband's gonna kill me because he's like this is going to be great like the website and I'm like I don't really care if anybody puts in their encounter like it's just me doing the encounters anyway for my own research.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_03: I would actually rather do that.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_03: Like if you've got a crazy thing going on in an area I'll happily dig into it and then maybe that can help you you know along the way or send you resources um because yeah you're right you feel you feel like a piece of data you know right yeah it's important for people to know they have these trusted people that they can talk to you know um because there's really I mean I know like you said there's probably a lot more than I know.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know everybody or by any means um but we did lose I will I just want to shout out to him we did lose a um very important person in this field my hair's gone um Barry Gaunt G A U N T incredible he had the bear night stalker um podcast oh okay yeah I don't know if you've heard of him but he passed away yeah um yeah like I never listened to I just actually heard about that like last year he was great yeah the kindest person I mean Angelia was good friends with him then I became friends with him but he um he he was just a wonderful person so just to acknowledge the loss um yeah I know it's so challenging too um because then you have it's like a void in the in the space you know right like in the community yeah yeah her her hers is just felt I mean still by so many I mean like I said sometimes it's repeat people that come back and we're always like just run to each other and hug each other immediately and then sometimes there's new people that see the display I have and they're just like oh my gosh did you know her and I'm like oh yeah you know and this is all dedicated to her it's because of her that I do this and they just we start crying and they tell a story and that's what it's all about for me you know is just like I said keeping her you know Angelia Sheer just keeping her memory alive.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_02: So I love that.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_02: No matter how timing it is right now that's what I want to do.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_03: Well we're gonna help you grow because I'm gonna tell everybody about this because I chocolate and I love weird things.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_00: And you have a unicorn I have a unicorn I have a mermaid um yeah we do you know I I really I do have a chipacabra and I have um like a Jersey devil and and a dog man I saw the dog man my dog man yeah I had to get that mold from like I think it was Ukraine or something before all the war but this guy I mean the mold it's incredible.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean it it's really awesome.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: And you know the Gatlinburg Bigfoot uh conference is doing they started this last year but they're featuring a new cryptid now what is that other than Bigfoot every year.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_00: Oh really which is kind of neat they have like a round table where they discuss that that cryptid so last year it was um oh my gosh what's wrong with me was it dogman thank you it was dogman was I just dogman like I should know that right I was there yeah it was dogman super popular last year dogman like kind of got a lot of traction yeah it was dogman last year and then this year it's the Mothman so it'll be okay you know that's kind of cool throwing a different spin on it and um so we'll have a lot more Mothman chocolates this year than normal and last year we had salted caramel dogmen and milk chocolate dogmen and all kinds of stuff so I love it.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_03: Oh Wendy thank you so much for coming on I really appreciate it.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_03: Do you have any advice do you have any advice for people maybe that are seeing something or you know don't know what to do with it.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_00: What would you I'm gonna put you on the spot for a minute but do you know it's okay can you think of anything that you would kind of want to impart to them yeah I would definitely say um you need to just really get on your knees and and first of all the most important thing is just pray to God because um you know uh this stuff is real it's not it's not a thing to be um taken lightly and if you're at that point where you're struggling with like what what am I what am I seeing you know and you're starting to feel like you're crazy and all that kind of stuff he can help you.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's your number one thing to go to is the Lord.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then you know in the name of Jesus rebuke anything that's not good and just ask God to give you discernment to see what he wants you to see.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_00: And um and then also um in the flesh you know um be very careful but if you can you know call you I mean you're a great resource you know um also uh Shanna Simpson who does um Paranormal Friends of uh Fairview in Tennessee she's Angelia's daughter and so I know her she's a very trusted person to go to she will do just like her mother did and protect you and and that's a right direction yeah very safe person to go to um you know and I would also say that about uh Charlie um and Lindsay Raymond Charlie Raymond um I know that they're great people so they are you know there's a few people that I know personally that I know are you know gonna gonna protect you and and and not exploit you or or make you feel stupid or crazy or any of those things.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_03: So I think that's really important in this in this in this time really so yeah well thank you so much Wendy thank you for your kind words I don't really I don't like compliment sandwiches as much but thank you.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_03: Well thank you for being so fantastic and we're gonna talk again soon I hope so yeah I would love to have you on again and then I would definitely um I know we'll be continually in touch and then I'm I've got to get Crystal and I have got to go to this to the Scotland Burg thing.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_03: We just have to I would love it if you go I know about I I'll send you a link to that but um yes yes Wendy has like a glamper site which is amazingly even more on brand because we love camping cute little place in the woods at Airbnb but um yeah but it's it's just been a pleasure to meet you.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_00: You're fantastic and and I definitely feel like I've been a new friend so thank you so much.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_03: Oh thank you Wendy you're day you too you have been listening to Sasquatch and Sourdough I'm Christina and thank you so much for tuning in.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_03: Sasquatch and Sourdough is so much more than just a podcast.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_03: We're a community of kindred spirits united by our curiosity and fascination with the extraordinary and we want to bring you into the conversation so whether you've had a brush with the unexplainable seen something that you can't quite wrap your head around this is your space.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_03: We invite you to join us as we break bread and break down the barriers between the known and the unknown.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_03: If you want to share your story you can email us at saswatch and sourdough at gmail dot com or send us a DM on Instagram.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_03: Until next time remember the truth is out there God is with you and everyone always ends up in the kitchen