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“Republican(s) for Impeachment.” (LIVE from DC!) · Pod Save America

• 0:20
  Speaker 1: What's up, DC? Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm Goldie Taylor.
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  Speaker 3: I'm John Lovett. I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 1: We're very excited to have Goldie with us on stage tonight.
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  Speaker 1: And Goldie's going to be doing a project with us
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  Speaker 1: at Crooked Media soon. Why don't you say a few words?
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  Speaker 2: Without telling you too much about it because, well, it
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  Speaker 2: is not out yet. I think most of the people
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: in the room know, if you know anything about me,
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  Speaker 2: that I have been heavy into social justice reporting over
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  Speaker 2: the last decade at least. And I happen to have
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: been reporting on a case that has gone back two decades.
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  Speaker 2: We have found something egregiously wrong in that case. This
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  Speaker 2: is a serial-like, Atlanta monster-like investigation. But you're going to
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  Speaker 2: be damn, damn, damn surprised as to who's culpable in
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  Speaker 2: making certain that a young black boy stayed in jail
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  Speaker 2: for two decades. And why? And so that's what we're
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  Speaker 2: working on.
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  Speaker 1: Coming soon. Coming soon. And later in the show, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk to the co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus,
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  Speaker 1: Washington Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal is here. First, we've got some news.
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  Speaker 1: After another week where the Trump administration defied subpoenas and
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  Speaker 1: refused to cooperate with any congressional oversight whatsoever, Michigan's Justin
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  Speaker 1: Amash became the first Republican member of Congress to say
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  Speaker 1: that the president has crossed the threshold for impeachment.
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  Speaker 3: Just the low standards we have now. Just basic reading.
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  Speaker 3: We're plotting reading comprehension.
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  Speaker 1: That's all we got, boo.
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  Speaker 2: That's all we got.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Amash came to the conclusion after reading Robert
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  Speaker 1: Mueller's full report, which clearly not many people in Congress did,
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  Speaker 1: which he also said that Attorney General William Barr deliberately misrepresented.
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  Speaker 1: He also wrote that, quote, our system of checks and
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  Speaker 1: balances relies on each branch's jealously guarding its powers. and
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  Speaker 1: upholding its duties under our Constitution. When loyalty to a
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  Speaker 1: political party or to an individual trumps loyalty to the Constitution,
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  Speaker 1: the rule of law, the foundation of liberty, crumbles. Goldie,
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  Speaker 1: what's the significance of a Republican House member calling for
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  Speaker 1: Trump's impeachment? Does this change the political dynamic in any way?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely nothing. Until we have a At least a portion,
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  Speaker 2: a critical mass of Senate Republicans.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Senate Republicans standing up to say, you know, we have
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  Speaker 2: got to do something about this president, that these are
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  Speaker 2: impeachable offenses that are worthy of a bill of indictment
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  Speaker 2: that brings to the Senate and whether or not we
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  Speaker 2: weigh a conviction. Until we get that on the table,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to hear a damn thing these Republicans
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  Speaker 2: got to say about Donald Trump. It's just really, really
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  Speaker 2: hard for me to kind of put my arms around it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad he said it, you know, but I just
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  Speaker 2: need Mitch McConnell to say it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Not holding our breath for that one.
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  Speaker 3: Nah.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think it puts a little more pressure on
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  Speaker 1: House Democrats to actually do something, the House Democrats who
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  Speaker 1: haven't yet come forward and to say that we need
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  Speaker 1: to pursue impeachment proceedings?
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  Speaker 3: Nope.
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  Speaker 1: No, I do.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the problem here is frankly the same
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  Speaker 2: problem that Democrats had as they were weighing Nixon's impeachment.
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  Speaker 2: They're afraid. They're afraid of public sentiment. They're afraid of
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  Speaker 2: the public fight. They're afraid that this puts our 2020
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  Speaker 2: in jeopardy, that this puts the brand new House leadership
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  Speaker 2: in jeopardy, that we may not get the Senate back,
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  Speaker 2: we may not win the White House. They're running this
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  Speaker 2: long math But I'm on the side of Liz Warren here.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck the math. Do what's right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And what's right is that this president is running a
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  Speaker 2: criminal enterprise out of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. And that unless
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  Speaker 2: we're willing to do and say something about it right now,
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  Speaker 2: what keeps anybody else, other than a certain black man
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  Speaker 2: in the White House, what keeps anybody else from being
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  Speaker 2: able to do the same thing?
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  Speaker 3: Right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a problem. So no, I don't expect them
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  Speaker 2: to stand up any harder, any stronger than they are
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  Speaker 2: right now because they're too busy running the math when
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  Speaker 2: they ought to be running the moral calculus about this thing.
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  Speaker 1: So Dan, according to the New York Times, it does
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  Speaker 1: seem like maybe Pelosi is shifting a little bit. She
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  Speaker 1: suggested on Thursday that House Democrats could possibly open an
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  Speaker 1: impeachment inquiry as a way to obtain documents and testimony
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  Speaker 1: against from stonewalling Trump administration officials. To me, it seems
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  Speaker 1: like this may be their only option aside from just
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  Speaker 1: giving up on congressional oversight altogether. It seemed like for
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  Speaker 1: a while there was this middle road where Democrats wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: pursue impeachment right away, but they would hold all these investigations.
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  Speaker 1: Now it doesn't seem possible to hold these investigations because
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  Speaker 1: the Trump administration refuses to cooperate. Are we in a
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  Speaker 1: place where it's just pursue impeachment or give up and
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  Speaker 1: move on?
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  Speaker 4: Basically, I think we now are. We've been debating, everyone
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  Speaker 4: has been debating the politics or how to think about
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  Speaker 4: impeachment when you know that the Senate is not going
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  Speaker 4: to actually remove Donald Trump from office. When you know that,
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  Speaker 4: how do you think about it? And as you point out,
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  Speaker 4: Pelosi proposed a road, which did make some sense, which
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  Speaker 4: is we are going to hold high profile hearings. We
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  Speaker 4: are going to pull on every thread in the Mueller report.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to bring Bob Mueller. We're going to bring
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  Speaker 4: Bill Barr. We're going to bring Don McGinnis. We're going
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  Speaker 4: to bring these people in. And we're going to let
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  Speaker 4: the public know what was in the Mueller report. We're
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  Speaker 4: going to sort of dramatize the Mueller report for the
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  Speaker 4: public and then make a decision on impeachment at the
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  Speaker 4: end of the road. But here we are, what, a month,
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  Speaker 4: six weeks after the Mueller report. And nothing has happened.
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  Speaker 4: Mueller's not come. Barr stiff-armed the House. We have not
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  Speaker 4: seen Trump's tax returns. We have, Don McGahn is not there.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing has happened. And so now, I think Democrats' hand
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  Speaker 4: is really forced here because Trump is making them look weak, right?
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  Speaker 4: And so you, like, from a, there's a political perspective,
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  Speaker 4: which is now you're either, you're getting punked and everyone
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  Speaker 4: is seeing it. And that's a terrible position to be
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  Speaker 4: in politically. So I do think it changes the political calculus.
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  Speaker 4: But there's also another point here, which is not, Trump
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  Speaker 4: is not just stiffing them on the Mueller report. He
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  Speaker 4: has said that Congress has no authority to hold him
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  Speaker 4: accountable for anything.
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  Speaker 1: Anything. Anything.
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  Speaker 4: That is not just obstruction. That's not collusion. You can
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  Speaker 4: say you don't care about those issues in the past.
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  Speaker 4: It is family separation. It is financial conflicts may have
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  Speaker 4: in his tax returns. It's corruption throughout his administration. And
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  Speaker 4: when they say that, if Democrats have a responsibility to
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  Speaker 4: the Congress, to the Constitution, to themselves, and to the
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  Speaker 4: voters who gave them power to step up and do something,
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  Speaker 4: and Trump has closed off all paths other than impeachment,
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  Speaker 4: I think.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Lovett, what do you think?
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  Speaker 3: That all seems right to me. I just have this
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  Speaker 3: image of the moment when Milhouse on The Simpsons really
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  Speaker 3: means business, and he takes down the little nice flag
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  Speaker 3: from the back of his bicycle and rolls up the
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  Speaker 3: black flag with a little skeleton on it. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you look at the... Look, nothing would make me happier
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  Speaker 3: than to stand up here and say that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the Democrats are being wimps, and surely they are. But
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  Speaker 3: to Dan's point, it's not that Trump is making Democrats
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  Speaker 3: look weak. It's that Democrats are making Democrats look weak.
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  Speaker 3: And then you look at the list of options for
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  Speaker 3: what they can do before they do impeachment, and it's like, Well,
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  Speaker 3: sternly worded letters. We're doing that. Intent. Issuing subpoenas that
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  Speaker 3: are being used like when Sylvester Stallone starts cursing into
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  Speaker 3: that machine in Demolition Man to wipe his ass. You
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean? One guy loved that joke. He
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  Speaker 3: knows exactly what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to make me lose my lashes really early.
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  Speaker 4: Other than that, Nancy Pelosi's joking about locking up a
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  Speaker 4: bar under the Capitol, but I can imagine how the
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  Speaker 4: media will treat that.
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  Speaker 3: They'll do what they do. So I don't see a
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  Speaker 3: lot of great options for us. I'm in a dark
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  Speaker 3: place about it.
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  Speaker 1: Are we going to just see what happens? Levin said
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  Speaker 1: backstage his answer for everything that was going to be,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, we'll see how it all shakes out.
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  Speaker 3: Time will tell. Time will tell. I will say there
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  Speaker 3: were a I will say there were people that were
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  Speaker 3: mad at Pelosi because Barr made a joke to Nancy
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  Speaker 3: Pelosi about, oh, I got my hands and you're going
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  Speaker 3: to put cuffs on me. And Nancy Pelosi said something
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  Speaker 3: sort of, you know, polite back, joking around. And people
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  Speaker 3: were like, how dare you joke around with this guy?
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  Speaker 3: And it's like, what do you want her to say? Like,
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  Speaker 3: try me, you fuck. What is she supposed to do?
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  Speaker 3: Give me a break. I don't know. Anyway, we'll see
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  Speaker 3: how it all shakes out.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Tommy, it seems that regardless of what Democrats do,
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  Speaker 1: the Trump administration is going to continue to investigate the investigators.
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  Speaker 1: Barr said last week that under Obama's presidency, officials in
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  Speaker 1: the Department of Justice and the intelligence community, quote, abused
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  Speaker 1: their power to harm Trump's candidacy. and Trump himself called
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  Speaker 1: this treason and said that these officials should serve long
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  Speaker 1: jail sentences. How concerned should we be, those of us
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  Speaker 1: that were in the Obama administration, how concerned should we
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  Speaker 1: be about Barr's counter-investigation here? I mean, pretty concerned.
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  Speaker 5: Look, I think that It really sucks to think that
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  Speaker 5: we're all longing for the days of.
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  Speaker 4: Not individually concerned, generally concerned, right? Like, we up here.
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  Speaker 1: We the people. I mean, I think America should be concerned.
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  Speaker 5: It sucks to long for the days of fucking Jeff Sessions,
• 10:29
  Speaker 5: but you kind of do right now. Right? Like, Bill
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  Speaker 5: Barr is in on the fix. He's referring to lawful
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  Speaker 5: investigations with FISA warrants and... credible counterintelligence investigations as spying.
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  Speaker 5: He's just asking questions about all these various issues. So
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  Speaker 5: I think it's likely that Trump now has someone in
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  Speaker 5: charge of the DOJ that is willing to use it
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  Speaker 5: for purely political purposes.
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  Speaker 1: Which is a.
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  Speaker 5: Pretty scary departure from last couple decades of norms. So
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  Speaker 5: there's a chance that they use the Department of Justice
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  Speaker 5: or the intelligence community to investigate political enemies. But there's
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  Speaker 5: also a chance that even if we proceed with impeachment proceedings,
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  Speaker 5: that after those are over, they continue to stonewall any
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  Speaker 5: legitimate oversight anyway. It's not a panacea. None of these
• 11:20
  Speaker 5: options are great. None of these things fix our problem long-term.
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  Speaker 5: We have to win an election in 2020. And I
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  Speaker 5: think that's the only outcome.
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  Speaker 3: Barr, to me, reminds me of any Black Mirror episode
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  Speaker 3: where there's a human being screaming inside of a teddy bear,
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  Speaker 3: and all the teddy bear produces is like, I love you.
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  Speaker 3: In the sense that when you see Barr on television
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  Speaker 3: and his glasses that make him seem sharp, and he's
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  Speaker 3: shaped like a serious person, and he sounds serious and contemplative,
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  Speaker 3: and he is. He's sophisticated. He's a sophisticated actor. But
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: you really need to imagine that there's a tiny Donald
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  Speaker 3: Trump just at those controls in there, just fucking screaming
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  Speaker 3: like the craziest Donald Trump shit that he can scream,
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  Speaker 3: and then it gets translated into the kind of language
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  Speaker 3: that's more effective.
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  Speaker 2: I'm never going to look at Build-A-Bear the same again.
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  Speaker 1: Sad Teddy Ruxpin, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Think about it.
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  Speaker 1: Think about it. I mean, like you were saying, Dan,
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  Speaker 1: so much of this is focused on the Mueller report
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  Speaker 1: so far, but there's all these other abuses of power
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  Speaker 1: going on. Goldie, Trump in the last couple of days,
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: has been getting pardon happy again. On Wednesday, he pardoned
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  Speaker 1: his friend and former business partner, Conrad Black, who stole
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: millions of dollars from his investors. And then the New
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: York Times reported that Trump may pardon several American military
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  Speaker 1: members accused or convicted of war crimes, including murder and
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  Speaker 1: desecration of a corpse. I mean, should some of these
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  Speaker 1: pardons also be added to the articles of impeachment if
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: we get to that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, first, the most important thing. If I am ever
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: in the shitter, then it's possible. I'm going to write
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: a pitch to the pod that praises this shit out
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  Speaker 2: of Donald Trump. If I'm ever on my way to sing,
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  Speaker 2: sing Leavenworth, any of that stuff, that is going to
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  Speaker 2: be my get out of jail figure.
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  Speaker 1: Because then you know.
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  Speaker 2: Because then you know. It could happen. He pardons his pals.
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  Speaker 1: All you have to do is tweet something nice about him.
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  Speaker 1: Go on Fox.
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  Speaker 2: You know that tweet that was going around that said,
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: you know, if I have been kidnapped, this is what
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: my social media will look like. You know, if I
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  Speaker 2: am under federal indictment, you will see me saying Trump
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  Speaker 2: is a wonderful motherfucker. so there it is the serious
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  Speaker 2: side is that he is not just pardoning friends Conrad
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  Speaker 2: Black is in Trump's world viewed as a friend people
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  Speaker 2: who do nice things for you for Trump are called
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  Speaker 2: friends he's pardoning murderers and so when you look at
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  Speaker 2: what happened in all of those Navy SEALs came forward
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  Speaker 2: to turn in a guy who had not just killed
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  Speaker 2: in cold blood, you know, civilians in another country, but several,
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  Speaker 2: and kept going until they stopped him. Trump has called
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  Speaker 2: for his paper, shot a woman, you know, from a tree,
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: you know, just flowing hijab, just blew her away for
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  Speaker 2: no other freaking reason than she wasn't, quote unquote, one
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  Speaker 2: of us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Trump has asked for his paperwork to be sent to
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  Speaker 2: him for a Memorial Day-style pardon. If that is not
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: the most complete bastardization of Memorial Day short of drinking
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: a six-pack of Heineken. I don't know what... Because you
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: drink American beer.
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  Speaker 3: No, I never thought of the Heineken thing. That Heineken
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  Speaker 3: thing just blew my fucking mind.
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  Speaker 2: If I catch you drinking it... If I catch you
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  Speaker 2: drinking anything other than Budweiser on Memorial Day.
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  Speaker 3: You keep drinking Heineken and a BMW.
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  Speaker 2: On Memorial Day.
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  Speaker 3: What have we been doing here?
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: What have you been doing here with this world?
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  Speaker 3: Nazi sled.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, but that's what we're at here is that he
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  Speaker 2: believes that issuing pardons like this will curry him favor
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  Speaker 2: among his base. And if that's the kind of thing
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  Speaker 2: that curries you favor among, you know, who you believe
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  Speaker 2: to be your base, one you gotta ask, who the
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: fuck is my base? And what do they believe in
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: and why do I want them following me? Why are
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: they happy with me? If they're happy with me, something
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: must be wrong with me. That wouldn't be Trump.
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  Speaker 5: I just wanna, Goldie's point on this is really important because,
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  Speaker 5: so I think with these individuals accused of war crimes
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: is not siding with the troops. Other service members came
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: forward because they were putting Afghan lives at risk, they
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: were putting their own lives at risk, they shot civilians.
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  Speaker 5: I did not serve in the military, I worked with
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: a ton of people that did in the NSC. There
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  Speaker 5: are people that believe in a code of conduct and
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  Speaker 5: honor and principle. You can get tossed out of West
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: Point for lying before you get tossed out for.
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  Speaker 1: Failing a test.
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  Speaker 5: The notion that that is a pro-military decision is so
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  Speaker 5: fucked up. Or like to side with a bunch of
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  Speaker 5: guys who are in Blackwater, a private militia force run
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  Speaker 5: by his buddy, Eric Prince, and to somehow see that
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  Speaker 5: as a pro-troop, despite the fact some of them might
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  Speaker 5: have been veterans, but that is not like being with
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  Speaker 5: the troops. It is just a truly sick, depraved, to
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  Speaker 5: think about justice period in the world, in the country, anywhere.
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  Speaker 4: It's a... Take it back for a second. John, you
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: raised the question of if an impeachment inquiry were to
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  Speaker 4: be opened, should it be expanded into other things? I
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: think it is critically important that it does because the
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: principle by which you open it is not just what
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: was in the Mueller report. It's everything Trump has done
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  Speaker 4: since to stop, to basically say that Congress has no power,
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  Speaker 4: that you are a president above the Constitution. That's the
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  Speaker 4: premise for it. And then underneath it goes everything because
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  Speaker 4: it should be more than just a question of collusion
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  Speaker 4: or a question of obstruction. It's an opportunity to widen
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  Speaker 4: the aperture and have a conversation about all of the corruption,
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  Speaker 4: all the malfeasance, from the crimes we know he committed
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  Speaker 4: by engaging in campaign finance fraud, to the tax fraud
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  Speaker 4: in New York, to the corruption within his administration, to
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  Speaker 4: the emoluments clause, to getting rich, and everything else, to
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  Speaker 4: open it up so to say that we are not
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: going to tell a story about a thing that happened
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  Speaker 4: in 2016 that everyone has decided what their opinions on are,
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  Speaker 4: even though that in and of itself should be an
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  Speaker 4: impeachable offense. We're going to have a conversation about why
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  Speaker 4: this president is too corrupt and too criminal to serve
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  Speaker 4: the American people. And that's a conversation we can win.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Totally. And look, that is a political argument. It's also
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: a moral argument as well. I mean, like, we, look,
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  Speaker 1: we know... we're not gonna get all these Republican votes
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  Speaker 1: in the Senate to convict him of anything, right? We
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: know that the politics of impeachment are, at best, it's
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: hard to tell what they're gonna be, whether they're gonna
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: be favorable or not, but at some point, it seems
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: like it is the right and moral thing to do
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  Speaker 1: to stand up so that when history looks back and
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: we say it is not okay, it is the wrong
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: thing to do for a president to abuse his pardon
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: power like that. It is the wrong thing to do
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: for the president to use the Department of Justice to
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: investigate his political enemies. It is the wrong thing to
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: do for the president to make a whole bunch of
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: money from the presidency, right? And it feels like if
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: you are in public office, if you have been elected
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: to serve, you should go on the record stating whether
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: that's right or not.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: And you were right, the politics of impeachment are up
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: in the air. But the politics of getting punked are
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: very clear. And that's what it's going to look like
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: to the American people if the Democrats can go nowhere
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: on this for the next year and a half.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: I said this the other day that if this had been,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: and you hear this all the time, if this had
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: been Barack Obama, you guys have heard this? No, you
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: haven't heard this, have you? But one of the things
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: that I said, if this had been Barack Obama, not
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: only would he be on house arrest awaiting transport to Leavenworth,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: first president in history for that to happen, but there
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: would be a bipartisan parade cheering the line of paddy wagons,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: y'all would be in them, rolling down Pennsylvania Avenue. Because, frankly.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: I don't think you need to assume that.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Because.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: I think you could have made a perfectly good point
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: without maligning us.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: So you don't have smoky brows?
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Are we along the side? Are we applauding?
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Are we in the paddy wagon?
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, we're in the paddy wagon? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: I'll be in the paddy wagon. I'm into that.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: We're not cheering.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: I thought we were cheering the paddy wagon.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe Love is going to get out.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Love is like, I was for Hillary.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Telling you guys in 2007. I've said it before, I've
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: said it again. I come from a long line of
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Jews that knew when to get the fuck out.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: More news after this.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: And now it's time for OK Stop. We'll roll a
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: clip and the panel can say OK Stop at any
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: point to comment. Judge Jeanine Pirro. She's like Judge Judy,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: but instead of dinging people for not paying their dry
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: cleaning bills, she's racist. Well, the Honorable Judge Pirro is
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: predicting some more arrests soon, and surprise, it's the Democrats.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: This was wild. Take a look.
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: This will be true reality TV. No scripts, no rehearsals,
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: just a gang of criminals pointing fingers at each other
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: to save their own hides. A version of true crime
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: and the reality show Survivor. The Deep State Exposed.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, stop.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Woo. Yeah. I feel like we just tuned into the
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: middle of something.
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: She reminds me of my Aunt Florence.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Seriously.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: It's a lot. It's a lot. All right, let's keep rolling.
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: Now, I told you more than a year ago, former
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: FBI director James Comey was the head of his own
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: crime family and that he ran the upper echelon of
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: the FBI like an organized criminal enterprise.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, stop. It's a very, that's a very intense previously
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: on Judge Jeanine. It's like a year ago, I said
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: something completely insane. Because look, Everyone on this stage gives
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: James Comey an A plus for every decision he's ever made.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: You have to be so deep into this world to
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: take that sentence like, oh, James Comey, the six foot
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: four moral guy.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Also, if he was the head of a crime family,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: he didn't do a great job.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's more Uncle Junior than Tony.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Like the grand finale was investigating Hillary Clinton and then
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: fired like an idiot. Yeah, he just got run out
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: of there.
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: That was limited to the upper echelon. The rank and
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: file wouldn't have tolerated this. Even Bill Barr questioned it. Now,
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: like any criminal conspiracy.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Even Bill Barr?
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Even Bill Barr. Have they lost Bill Barr?
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: Players are arrogant and they think they're above the law,
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: but mistakes are always made. Comey tells the president- Okay, stop.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: First of all- Fucking Scooby-Doo over here.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: It's so weird. But I just love, like, they can't...
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump, the fact that his psychology is so exposed,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: so on the surface, like the nerve endings are just
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: breaking through the skin. Everyone is projecting all the time now.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Everyone.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Every Republican on television is constantly describing Democrats in terms
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: of their own side's crimes. Just again and again. Like,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: that is what we've been watching.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Right. Trump literally runs a crime family. Don, Eric, Tiffany.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: No, back off, Tiffany.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Ivanka.
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: The FDA is unverified, but he used it to spy
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: on a presidential campaign. Yeah, I used the word spy.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: She went there. I like the idea also of Jeanine Pirro,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: who I believe three weeks ago almost lost her job,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: and it's amazing to say almost, for just forgetting to
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: put like an inch of foam between the racism and
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: what she was saying. She just came out and said
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: that Muslims can't be good Americans. And everyone's like, you're
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: not supposed to say it that way. You're supposed to
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: say it with some nuance so they can get away
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: with it. And now she's like, I'm going to go there. Spying.
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: Now I told you last week that Bill Barr was
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: a cool cat.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: But while the....
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: That's the first time the term cool cat has been
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: used to describe Bill Barr.
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: Democrats hyperventilate and hysterically accuse him of everything they can
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: think of and hold him in contempt. Barr remains lucid, focused,
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: and unflappable.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Okay, stop. Lucid. Fucking, again, with the low... Lucidity now.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Just maintaining... Human consciousness.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Being able to go in front of a committee having
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: the quality of attention and being in some sense in
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: control of it, though we can argue about whether we're
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: in control of our own attention and the nature of
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: free will itself.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, man. Let's not.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: Like these who use and abuse the enormous power that
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: we give them are an embarrassment to all the hardworking
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: men and women in the law enforcement and intelligence communities.
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: But the biggest disappointment is yet to come when the
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: guy who has been so deadly silent on all of
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: this will be the one that all the rats eventually
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: point their dirty fingers at.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Who?
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Now, we're so confused about who she's talking about.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like, she takes one second to be subtle and elliptical.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: We have no fucking clue what she's talking about. Mueller?
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Obama? I thought it was Obama.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: I think it's Obama.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Brennan?
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Tune in next week and find out.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: Ah, another cliffhanger from Judge Jeanine.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: Earlier, she showed a photo of Sam Power, so we're
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: really stretching here.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: I would have gone to law school if I'd known
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: it was this damn easy.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just, let's just, It needs to be
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: said that every weekend, the President of the United States
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: arranges his schedule around watching this.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: And sometimes calls in. Yeah.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Schedule.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: It really is like a, like a, just a, you know,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: 12th century boy king who's like, bring me my play.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Bring me the play I like. Bring me the woman
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: who does this show that I like. I would like
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: to watch the show with the woman I like. Bring
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: the woman who says the things I like. Bring her
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: to me.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Anyway, Democrats should do way more Fox News. Yeah, right.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about 2020. On Saturday, former Vice
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: President Joe Biden officially kicked off his third bid for
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: the presidency with a speech in Philadelphia where he called
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: for national unity and said the following, quote, they say
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Democrats are so angry, the angrier a candidate can be,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the better chance he or she has to win the
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Democratic nomination. Well, I don't believe it, I really don't.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: If the American people want a president to add to
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: our division, to demonize their opponents and spew hatred, they
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: don't need me, they've got President Trump. I'm running to
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: offer our country, Democrats, Republicans, and independents a different path. Goldie,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I saw you tweeting about Biden over the weekend. You
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: said you don't believe his frontrunner status will last.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Nope.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Why do you think that?
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Well, I would be angry, Mr. Biden, if not for
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: copious amounts of bulletin Diet Coke. There's this Biden phenomenon.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I know that everybody on this stage worked on a
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: team once that helped Biden get to the White House
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: as vice president. I think that is an incredible thing
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: because I said in that series of tweets that two
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: things put President Obama, two things were part and parcel
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: putting him into the White House. One was winning Iowa
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: and showing black people like me that an African-American man
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: could win over white people was a real thing, that
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: we knew that you would vote for him. If we
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: knew that you would vote for him, then we could
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: line up for him. We could organize for him. We
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: could give him our money and we could believe. And
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: so that really sort of made a huge difference. But
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: the second thing he did was that he selected Biden,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: who had dwindled and fallen away really in the primaries,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: made him his running mate. And that said to white people,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: this young man is safe. And so there were two
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: major decisions that he made. And so those two things
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: are working together today, I think, and they fuel this
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: front runner status that.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Mr.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Biden has, Vice President Biden has. I think that there
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: is a older, more moderate, more old DLC leaning Democrat
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: out there who wishes for the days of old. that
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: just isn't here anymore. And I think that's where his
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: front-runner status sits. But will it grow? Where does it grow?
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: To progressives who are really freaking angry out here? Does
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: it grow to them?
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: No.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Does it grow to the women who are looking around Alabama, Georgia,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: and Missouri and going, what the fuck just happened? Does
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: he bring them in?
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: No.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Does he inspire, you know, the young Afro-Latina girl in Brooklyn?
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Does he inspire, you know, the young Asian girl up
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: here for highway in Atlanta?
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Does he?
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: No. And so there is no place for him to grow.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: But once this fragmentation ends, now we got 22, 21
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: other candidates in this race, that fragmentation is going to
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: end because people are going to start dropping because of
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: lack of money, because of lack of organization, because of
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: lack of poll numbers, because they can't get on the stage.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Whatever the reason is, they're going to start dropping and
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: those numbers are going to start pulling together under one, two,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: three tenths. Does Biden get any of that lack of fragmentation? No,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: he didn't get any of that vote. He stays with
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: the same 28% that he has, so I don't think
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: he ever makes it to 40% because of that. I
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: like Biden. When I listen to him, he's mesmerizing. He
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: paralyzes you when he's talking to you. You're the only
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: person in the room when he's talking to you. But
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: when you look at him on the issues over the years,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: then you know why President Obama selected him. When you
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: look at his record over the years, it's hard for
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: me to think that he's going to get out of
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: the debate without Kamala Harris, without Elizabeth Warren, without Bernie
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Sanders taking it to him on his, serving his record,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: serving up his record for his own meal. And so
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: I just don't think that the rest of what is
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: today's Democratic Party will collapse and fold in behind him.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: I think he's gonna have a harder, the longer he's
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: in the race, the harder the road is, harder the
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: road it is for him to hope.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Tommy, when he said he doesn't believe that an angrier
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: candidate has a better chance to win the Democratic nomination,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: is he right? I mean, I don't know.
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: What I think he's doing is looking at some of
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: the same polling that we've all probably seen in Iowa
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: and New Hampshire, that people actually, the message of bringing
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: people together, being optimistic, being hopeful, actually does pretty well
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: with a lot of those voters. And, you know, I'm
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: not sure why he's like, stiff-arming the activists who are
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: understandably really pissed off. But for some reason, you know,
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: that's become the frame here. I'm not sure it's the
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: best frame, but I do think it has some general
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: election longevity. I do wonder what Goldie wonders as well,
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: is what happens if you're the frontrunner and you're on
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: stage and Bernie takes a shot at you over Iraq,
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: and Senator Warren takes a whack at you over the
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: bankruptcy bill, and how that series of attacks lands on him,
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: and whether it diminishes him, whether it diminishes the person
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: attacking more, is, I think, an open question. But I
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: do think people are going to come after him pretty
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: quickly in this primary.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you what the crack is among older African-Americans,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: like my mother and aunts and stuff. When Kamala Harris
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: gets on the stage and takes a shot at him
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: over school segregation, the life that they lived, the buses
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: that they waited for, the buses that never showed up,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: the schools they couldn't get to. When they crack open
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: the full of that history, that's where, for me, that's
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: where the crack happens. And that's stuff he frankly doesn't
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: have an answer for. It'll be worse than the answer
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: he gave on Anita Hill.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, here's what his answer should be if he
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: were to do it, which is, I've changed, you know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: I've believed a lot of things in my life. I've
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: grown and evolved over time. Everything you just brought up,
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: Barack Obama looked at in 2008. He decided that he
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: would pick me to be his closest advisor one heartbeat
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: away from the presidency.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to say, how come he endorsed you
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: this time?
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's your response, right?
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: There it is.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm going to say. To Goldie's point, there
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: are a couple of things about this. One is, There
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: are 22 candidates, but 85% of the vote is in
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: like six people. And those six people have the ability
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: to make it all the way to the end. So
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: if those people want to beat Biden, they've got to
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: take votes from Biden. I do not think for Biden,
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: who sometimes made political and verbal missteps in his life,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: but I don't think he's going to beat himself. There
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: is a personal, a very deep well of affection for
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: him among Democrats. His association with a president with a
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: 95% approval rating is too close. And then people believe
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: right now, based on very little, but believe that he's
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: the most electable person. So you're going to have to
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: change that perception to beat him.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the angry thing, too, because I
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: saw some people saying, you know, why is he denying
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: that so many people are angry? And he actually didn't
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: do that. He recommends that people are angry, but he's saying,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think an angry candidate is what we need
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: to win. And I do think that's tapping into... there's
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: a ton, most Democrats, I don't know any Democrats who aren't,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: are very fucking angry right now. And the question is,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: are people tired of being angry? And do they want
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: to just, I don't want to be angry anymore, and
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I'm sick of politics as perpetual warfare.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: I'm not tired yet.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know about this audience. I'm not tired of
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: being angry yet. You know, if somebody passes a heartbeat
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: bill in Georgia, you know, you know, a gang of
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: angry white men passing this heartbeat bill because, you know,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know, they're not getting any on Friday night.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on with them. But I'm
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: not through being angry yet when they're still pulling crap
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: like that, you know, and marginalizing and erasing my life
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: and my body. I'm not through being angry yet. And
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I think that there is a brand of Democrats out
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: there who has underestimated that level of anger and underestimated
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: our willingness, our ability to turn them out. because they
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: didn't reflect that.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: I think it's important that anger and hope and anger
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: and inspiration are not mutually exclusive.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Barack Obama's 2008 campaign was about hope, but it was
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: fueled by an anger about a terrible mistake to go
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: into Iraq, about a financial system that was totally fucked up.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Democrats were really angry then.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: And so the question is, can you turn that anger
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: into something positive?
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That was my problem with what he said. It's punditry,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: and I think it is a little bit patronizing to
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: equate being angry with the kind of politics that right-wing
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: anger has stoked, which is hateful and bigoted and mean-spirited
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: and venal and wrong. There's righteous anger. We have righteous anger. And,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: you know, to Goldie's point, like, where does he get
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: these other votes from? I think it's hard, but I
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: don't think we know. But one thing that's clear to
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: me is if he wants to be the candidate that
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: wins this nomination, He's not going to get it by
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: telling people that they're wrong about their feelings because no
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: one ever gets anything telling anyone they're wrong about their feelings. Ever,
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: just literally ever in any circumstance. So, you know, I
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: think it's about explaining to people what they can do
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: with their anger and why their anger is justified and
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: speaking to it. And, you know, we've talked about this, that,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: you know, there's a big age divide right now in
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: the sport that Biden has. And that makes sense. You know,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: he's appealing to people. that are a bit older. Some
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: people like Bernie and Warren and Kamala maybe are appealing
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: to people right now who are younger. And whether they
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: go to him because he's the nominee and who won
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: with older voters, or they come to him before the
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: nomination fight is over, he needs to find a way
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: to talk to those young people. Those young people who
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: not only have to vote for him, but also have
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: to knock on doors for him and care about him
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: and want him to win. And I actually do think
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: that's possible. And I don't think there's anything to stop
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: him from bringing out how to speak to those people.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: And honestly, Goldie may not be tired of being angry,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: but I'm fully exhausted. And so to me, it's frustrating
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: because the test that I've always had in my mind
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: for Biden is he going to understand this moment and
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: understand how he has to bridge this assumption around his
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: electability with the genuine passion and beliefs and kind of
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: place that the Democratic bases and Democratic young people are in.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: And right now, I don't think he's doing that, but
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: that doesn't mean he can't.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the other big thing here is whether
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: or not we can debate whether Democrats are tired of
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: being angry or not or tired of being divided or not.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: But what it doesn't change is how Republican politicians are
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: acting and will act no matter who wins the presidency.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, Biden said earlier this week that if Democrats
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: win in 2020, Republicans will have an epiphany and start
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: working with them again. I mean, is there any evidence?
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Any evidence at all?
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: They had the epiphany. The epiphany was, we don't have
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: to work with these people at all. They had it.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: And Joe Biden was the vice president when they had it.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: And just one other thing about this, too, is I
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: think that there's part of this electability thing is, you know,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: we just need someone who's going to get us there, right? Like,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: he can get us there. Like, we just want to win.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: We're so desperate. We're so sick of what's happened. We're
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: so desperate. We just want someone who's going to get
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: us there.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I want to vote for him if he wins the nomination.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: There's no question about that.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: There just is what it is. But you know what
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: the most salient question is? Who looks better in a
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: pair of aviators than Joe Biden?
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: No one.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: Nobody.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: That is an easy one to answer.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: He does look good in a pair of aviators. But
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: all I was going to say is just that I
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: think part of the problem we're having is Because we
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: haven't internalized enough just how effective the Republican turnout machine
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: was in 2018, it's like one of the biggest untold
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: stories of that election. All of our passion, all of
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: our energy, it's really going to matter and we're going
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: to win at the margins. We can't just hope that
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: someone's going to be enough. They have to excite us
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: and they have to get us there. And we can
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: do that, but it's not going to be by telling
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: people that being angry isn't right, I guess.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: I think, I mean, to your point, Lovett, electability is
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: a lot of what is it, what people are thinking about,
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: what they're looking for. We have no idea what it is,
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: but it's something we want. But it is what is
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: propping up Biden. And it is based in racial and
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: gender stereotypes about what an electable person is. It's based
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: in this association with someone who won two presidential elections.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: But I think if you were one of the candidates
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: who want to beat Biden, the way to do it
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: is to run at his electability, which is to make
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: the point, which is not to say he makes gaffes
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: or do you really want people running this 1972 clip
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: on YouTube? Like, that's not it. It is to make
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: a case that the best Democratic nominee is not someone
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: who's been part of the broken political system that gave
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: us Trump since the Vietnam War. It is not to
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: have a campaign that it's a debate between two different
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: versions of the past. It is a campaign where it
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: is made between Trump is the past and Democrats are
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: the future. And there are a handful of Democrats who
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: I think can make that case. But they have to
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: make it. They just can't wait around for Biden to
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: make a gaffe or people just to change their minds
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: because that is the exact strategy that the Republicans had
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: in 2016. Time will tell.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Time will tell.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: And I think you have to.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: And I think if you're a Democrat making that case,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: you have to understand how much goodwill Biden has in
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: the party, right? I always thought that, and Mitt Romney
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: didn't keep this argument for very long in 2012, but
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: one of the arguments Mitt Romney made that was the
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: scariest to me was when he said, I understand why
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: people were excited by Barack Obama. I wanted him to
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: succeed too. He's a good man, but you know what?
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: He just failed and he didn't do it. And I
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: think if you're a Democrat running at Biden, you have
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: to understand that he has so much goodwill out there
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: that you have to start by saying all those good
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: things about him saying, but, as you said... We need
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: something new. Especially when the first state is Iowa.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: And being someone's second choice in Iowa is a very
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: meaningful thing because of the way the caucuses work. If
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: your first choice isn't viable, you go to your second choice.
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: And if you are the first person to attack Joe Biden,
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: Uncle Joe, the popular former vice president, there's a lot
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: of risk there. So there is this. dilemma that these
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: candidates are in. It's like, who's going to shoot first?
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: And I don't know that they know. And how are
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: they going to do it, right?
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Because there's drawing a contrast in a way that is substantive,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: that voters don't mind, and then there's taking cheap shots.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: This is the chaos of having 25 candidates because maybe
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: it's up to, yeah, they're the first six who are
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: playing that game, but there's somebody at 9, 10, 11,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: 12 who's like, I don't care. I'm going to get
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: in this fucking headline.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll have an interview with Congresswoman
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Pramila Jayapal.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: She's the co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and a
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: representative from Washington State. Please welcome Congresswoman Jayapal. Well, thank
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: you for being here on not just any Sunday night,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: but the finale of Game of Thrones night.
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: You're doing a screening of it, right, for everybody.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: I don't know what you're talking about. Everyone here has
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: HBO Go. It's fine. They'll see it when they get home.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of bad news happening in the world,
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: but before we get to that, I want to start
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: with some good news. This past week, the Democrats in
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: the House passed a historic piece of civil rights legislation
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: for the LGBTQ community. Can you tell us about that
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: bill and where it's going from here?
• 42:41
  Speaker 8: It was amazing and it really shows that majorities matter.
• 42:45
  Speaker 8: This was the Equality Act and it was such an
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: incredible moment. This is basically the act that says that
• 42:53
  Speaker 8: we're going to ensure that everyone has the same rights,
• 42:56
  Speaker 8: whether it's in housing or employment, any field. But if
• 43:00
  Speaker 8: you are LGBTQ, you get protections against discrimination. You get
• 43:05
  Speaker 8: the same rights that everybody else does. And it was
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: fabulous to pass it off the floor.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: Are there prospects in the near future for the Senate
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: to take it up?
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Well, we.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, in the past, I recognize that Mitch
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: McConnell is terrible.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: The Grim Reaper.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: He's the Grim Reaper, which he self-identifies as, which says
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: a lot. But there has been bipartisan support around some
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: measures around hate crimes, don't ask, don't tell in the past.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: And I don't know if whether there are some Republican
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: co-sponsors in the Senate or others who could help at
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: least begin to move the ball forward.
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: There were eight Republicans that voted with us in the House.
• 43:45
  Speaker 8: And so, yeah, that was good. But, you know, I
• 43:47
  Speaker 8: thought we'd have more, honestly.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, come on, people.
• 43:50
  Speaker 8: I mean, really, it just felt like we are in
• 43:52
  Speaker 8: a different... The Judiciary Committee hearings were crazy because all
• 43:56
  Speaker 8: these Republicans suddenly cared about women in sports.
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: That was the thing they really cared about.
• 44:02
  Speaker 8: And they were so afraid that transgender people were somehow
• 44:05
  Speaker 8: going to take away the ability for women to compete
• 44:08
  Speaker 8: in sports. So I guess the short answer is, I
• 44:12
  Speaker 8: don't see it, but I think that the movement has
• 44:15
  Speaker 8: built so much that I think anything is possible. And
• 44:18
  Speaker 8: I think it's all about what do people do in
• 44:20
  Speaker 8: the districts, in the states, how do they organize, and
• 44:24
  Speaker 8: how do they continue, how does our movement continue to
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: make this a priority?
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's an important point for all of our,
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: everyone here tonight and our listeners out there that you
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: can call your senator, especially if you live in a
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: state with a Republican senator, and let them know how
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: important it is that they take this up, because that
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: is actually how we've gotten Republicans and the limited instances
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: it's happened to make, to move on issues of importance
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: in this community.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: And the log cabin Republicans.
• 44:49
  Speaker 8: I mean, there are a lot of Republicans who believe
• 44:52
  Speaker 8: that civil rights protections should apply to everybody. And more
• 44:54
  Speaker 8: and more people today have people that they know that
• 44:57
  Speaker 8: they're directly related to that are in the LGBTQ community.
• 45:02
  Speaker 8: And they do want to provide those protections. I think
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: that there's, you know, there's a lot of fear mongering
• 45:06
  Speaker 8: as there is with anything else. But if anything is
• 45:08
  Speaker 8: going to pass, I feel like this and hopefully the
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: DREAM Act might be two of those things that could
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: find bipartisan support in the Senate.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, as a side note, it's just fucking wild
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: that in 2019 only eight Republicans thought the LGBTQ community
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: should have basic civil rights.
• 45:25
  Speaker 8: I think it's less than it used to be, and
• 45:27
  Speaker 8: I don't think it reflects where people actually are. I
• 45:30
  Speaker 8: think it's where they think they are supposed to be
• 45:32
  Speaker 8: for politics, which is so cowardly.
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: And horrible and really difficult to watch.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: You know, this past week, you know, we've been watching
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: state after state, Republican-led states, you know, taking up bills
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: to ban abortion, even in cases of rape and incest.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: Is there something the Democratic House can do? Can the
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: House pass a federal law? I think Elizabeth Warren and
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: a couple others have proposed this. Would you think the
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: Democratic Caucus can and should pass a federal law to
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: enshrine the rights of Roe v. Wade into law?
• 46:10
  Speaker 8: Well, here's the thing about choice is we already have
• 46:14
  Speaker 8: a constitutional right. It has been affirmed by the Supreme
• 46:18
  Speaker 8: Court we shouldn't need to pass another law.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: Would it help to do so?
• 46:24
  Speaker 8: At this moment, given what the administration is doing and
• 46:27
  Speaker 8: given what states are doing, you know, as they stack
• 46:29
  Speaker 8: the Supreme Court and then also as these states basically
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: are making a ploy to send one of these cases
• 46:34
  Speaker 8: up to the Supreme Court and overturn Roe v.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Wade.
• 46:39
  Speaker 8: And so, yes, I think that would be a really
• 46:40
  Speaker 8: good preemptive step to take.
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: I just think it's so crazy. You look at Alabama.
• 46:45
  Speaker 8: It's 49 out of 50 in terms of infant mortality.
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: Nine percent. babies out of.
• 46:52
  Speaker 8: A thousand in Alabama die. That is an unbelievably high rate,
• 46:58
  Speaker 8: and yet they don't want to have Medicaid expansion that
• 47:00
  Speaker 8: would save those babies' lives, and they want to get
• 47:03
  Speaker 8: in our business and tell women that we don't have
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: the right to do what we can with our own bodies.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: I'm getting the sense that when they say they're pro-life,
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: It doesn't mean what they think it means.
• 47:17
  Speaker 8: It really doesn't because I tweeted, you know, oh, we
• 47:20
  Speaker 8: just found out that 1,700 children in addition to the 3,000
• 47:25
  Speaker 8: from before that we knew about were separated from their families.
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: So you don't want to provide Medicaid expansion. You're perfectly
• 47:31
  Speaker 8: happy to separate children from their families, but somehow your
• 47:34
  Speaker 8: poor life, that seems like the ultimate hypocrisy to me.
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: But here's the other thing.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 47:44
  Speaker 8: I was also saying this morning, I was on CNN,
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: State of the Union, and I was saying to Rick Santorum,
• 47:50
  Speaker 8: I said, so.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: That is the exact opposite of a name drop.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: So if.
• 47:56
  Speaker 8: I was like, okay, so if conception starts.
• 48:02
  Speaker 8: At this early age does that mean while you're in
• 48:05
  Speaker 8: the womb does that mean that child support starts then
• 48:08
  Speaker 8: and if that baby is you know in the in
• 48:12
  Speaker 8: the stomach in the womb of an undocumented immigrant you
• 48:15
  Speaker 8: can't deport that undocumented immigrant because that baby is a
• 48:18
  Speaker 8: citizen already so we should keep them all.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Here did.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: Rick sanford just melt at that point.
• 48:28
  Speaker 8: He said he was happy to provide child support early.
• 48:31
  Speaker 8: He didn't seem to be with me on the undocumented
• 48:34
  Speaker 8: immigrant front.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: I'm shocked by that. You know, the Democratic caucus, the
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: Democratic majority in the House, was elected with this promise
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: to return accountability to Washington, to put forward the checks
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: and balances of the Constitution. And now you have this administration,
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: this president, saying, no, we're not providing witnesses, we're not
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: providing documents, your subpoenas mean nothing. What do you think
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: the appropriate response is to what is a pretty unprecedented
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: level of essentially declaring oneself above the Constitution?
• 49:16
  Speaker 8: I really believe we are now at the point where
• 49:18
  Speaker 8: we have to start an impeachment investigation.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Inquiry.
• 49:23
  Speaker 8: I don't say that lightly. I mean, I think we
• 49:29
  Speaker 8: have taken every possible step that we can.
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: We've issued subpoenas. We've called for witnesses.
• 49:35
  Speaker 8: The president has issued blanket executive privilege over the Mueller report.
• 49:39
  Speaker 7: He has refused.
• 49:40
  Speaker 8: He has said, I'm not providing, you know, meeting any
• 49:43
  Speaker 8: of your subpoena requests. I'm not providing any of the witnesses.
• 49:46
  Speaker 8: We'll see what happens. We're supposed to have Don McGahn
• 49:48
  Speaker 8: in front of us on Tuesday. Let's see if he
• 49:51
  Speaker 8: really comes. Let's see if Mueller really comes. But, you know,
• 49:53
  Speaker 8: when you have a president that says, I'm not going
• 49:56
  Speaker 8: to respect the authority of a co-equal branch, and really
• 50:00
  Speaker 8: we're first because we're article one.
• 50:02
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm just saying. Um, then I think.
• 50:07
  Speaker 8: That is the difference between a dictatorship and a democracy.
• 50:10
  Speaker 8: If you have a president who thinks he's king and
• 50:13
  Speaker 8: isn't accountable to anybody and is above.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: The law, that is.
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: Absolutely not acceptable.
• 50:20
  Speaker 8: And it matters to the pocketbooks and the lives of
• 50:23
  Speaker 8: everyday Americans. It's not I don't think it's something that's
• 50:26
  Speaker 8: out there. It means that if he strips health care
• 50:30
  Speaker 8: away from people, does unlawful things, uses the office of
• 50:34
  Speaker 8: the presidency to get in all kinds of bribes from
• 50:36
  Speaker 8: foreign governments, it means there's no accountability.
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: Over him at all.
• 50:41
  Speaker 8: And it means that Americans will suffer. And so it
• 50:45
  Speaker 8: is a serious undermining of our constitutional foundations. And I
• 50:49
  Speaker 8: don't take it lightly, but I do think we are
• 50:51
  Speaker 8: at that point.
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: You know, there has been, even though there has been
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: a general consensus among a lot of Democrats in the
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: House and across the country that the Mueller report is
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: pretty clear, and in some cases you didn't need the
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: Mueller report to know it, but that Trump had committed
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: impeachable offenses. But yet still there has been a hesitancy
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: among a lot of Democrats in the House from the
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: leadership on down to go down this path. Has that
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: changed in the month or so since the Mueller report
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: came out?
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: I think so.
• 51:20
  Speaker 8: I think it's changed in the last couple weeks because
• 51:23
  Speaker 8: we are seeing a White House that is just denying
• 51:25
  Speaker 8: any cooperation, any accountability at all. And I think people
• 51:30
  Speaker 8: do realize how serious that is. And understand that I'm
• 51:33
  Speaker 8: not saying we're taking a vote to impeach or not impeach.
• 51:36
  Speaker 8: I'm saying let's start the impeachment inquiry because in doing
• 51:40
  Speaker 8: that officially, we have way more leverage in the courts
• 51:44
  Speaker 8: to try to get some of what we want.
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: And let's see where that gets us.
• 51:47
  Speaker 8: But, you know, this is quickly leading us down a
• 51:50
  Speaker 8: road that I think I don't want to wake up
• 51:52
  Speaker 8: in 20 years and think, what did I do to
• 51:56
  Speaker 8: stop this you know, stop this tyranny from taking over
• 52:00
  Speaker 8: our democracy.
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, one of the challenges to start an impeachment
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: inquiry is you can start it, but they usually end somewhere, right? Like,
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: either you vote to impeach the president and succeed and
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: send it to the Senate, which everyone sort of knows
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: when that's going to happen. You vote and don't impeach
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: the president, or you don't vote, which I think is
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: interpreted as.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: Letting the president off. Does it make you nervous to
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: begin the process knowing that there is not yet a
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: majority in the House who believes the president should be impeached?
• 52:37
  Speaker 8: Everything makes me nervous, but the thing that makes me
• 52:39
  Speaker 8: most nervous is that we are undermining our democracy. We
• 52:43
  Speaker 8: are watching the execution of our democracy, to.
• 52:47
  Speaker 7: Use really tough words.
• 52:49
  Speaker 8: And so, I don't think, I mean, I think that
• 52:52
  Speaker 8: we do have to lay out a case to the
• 52:53
  Speaker 8: American people. There's still information we don't know. I mentioned
• 52:57
  Speaker 8: to you before the show that, you know, I'm now
• 53:01
  Speaker 8: on my third read of the Mueller report. And it
• 53:04
  Speaker 8: is actually really fascinating and terrifying if you read the
• 53:09
  Speaker 8: whole thing. The case that is laid out in there
• 53:12
  Speaker 8: is very clear. He is very clear in the report, Mueller,
• 53:15
  Speaker 8: that he is sending this to Congress for us to
• 53:18
  Speaker 8: act on it. And it is also very clear that
• 53:21
  Speaker 8: William Barr should not be the Attorney General of the
• 53:25
  Speaker 8: United States.
• 53:26
  Speaker 7: He should resign.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: Do you have any sense of when we might hear
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: from Robert Mueller himself?
• 53:34
  Speaker 8: You know, we had hoped that we would have him
• 53:37
  Speaker 8: in by this week, and it has been delayed in
• 53:41
  Speaker 8: part because the president tweeted that he didn't want Robert
• 53:44
  Speaker 8: Mueller to come and testify. And so there are questions
• 53:46
  Speaker 8: about whether he is going to come and under what
• 53:48
  Speaker 8: conditions and what he can say. Same situation we're facing
• 53:52
  Speaker 8: with Don McGahn. So I don't think, I saw that
• 53:56
  Speaker 8: the chairman had said that it probably wouldn't be until
• 53:59
  Speaker 8: next month. And I just think this is all getting
• 54:02
  Speaker 8: dragged out and that's also part of Trump's strategy. But
• 54:05
  Speaker 8: the constant, it's not, obstruction isn't just something that happened
• 54:09
  Speaker 8: in the past, by the way. It is ongoing obstruction
• 54:13
  Speaker 8: of justice that we are witnessing.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: Thank you. You are one of the leading advocates in
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: the House for Medicare for All. You are the lead
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: sponsor of the House Medicare for All bill. You held
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: a very high-profile hearing very recently. Medicare for All has
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: obviously been a very important part of the debate in
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: the Democratic primary. Based on Trump's Twitter feed and Fox News,
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: which are the same thing essentially, the Republicans wanted to
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: be part of the debate in the general election. How
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: would you sell... So let's hypothetically say I'm a voter
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: in Wisconsin. I don't love my private insurance that I
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: get from my employer, but I'm nervous about losing that
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: and having the government, which I have some skepticism, take over.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: How do you sell Medicare for All to that voter
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: who's open to the idea but afraid?
• 55:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the first thing I would just say is here's
• 55:10
  Speaker 8: what you get from it.
• 55:11
  Speaker 7: Here's what you get. You get comprehensive care.
• 55:15
  Speaker 8: You get all the health care you need before you
• 55:18
  Speaker 8: get sick.
• 55:19
  Speaker 7: You get preventive care. You get mental health, dental, vision.
• 55:23
  Speaker 8: You get your prescription drugs cut down so you can
• 55:27
  Speaker 8: actually fill your prescriptions instead of not filling your prescriptions
• 55:30
  Speaker 8: or cutting your pills. And you will not have to
• 55:34
  Speaker 8: pay any co-pays, premiums, or deductibles. And by the way,
• 55:39
  Speaker 8: there will be no out-of-network hospital or doctor. You keep
• 55:42
  Speaker 8: the same doctor and hospital that you have, but in fact,
• 55:47
  Speaker 8: everyone is in network under Medicare for All, and it's
• 55:50
  Speaker 8: the existing system. And I think when I say that,
• 55:54
  Speaker 8: most people say, is that possible? And I say, yeah,
• 56:00
  Speaker 8: not just possible.
• 56:00
  Speaker 7: But necessary.
• 56:01
  Speaker 8: Every other industrialized country in the world has done this
• 56:05
  Speaker 8: except for the United States of America. And then sometimes
• 56:11
  Speaker 8: I ask them, so how much do you.
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: Pay for your co-pays, premiums, and deductibles?
• 56:16
  Speaker 8: And they tell me some story, and this has happened
• 56:18
  Speaker 8: on the doors in rural areas and places that are
• 56:21
  Speaker 8: not like my progressive, you know, I'm from Seattle.
• 56:24
  Speaker 7: My progressive district. But people will.
• 56:27
  Speaker 8: Say to me these unbelievable stories. I had to, you know,
• 56:31
  Speaker 8: I had to go into bankruptcy. I had to not
• 56:34
  Speaker 8: get married because I had to lower the threshold that
• 56:37
  Speaker 8: I could qualify for.
• 56:39
  Speaker 7: And, you know, all the things that people do.
• 56:41
  Speaker 8: I mean, GoFundMe has some amazing uses, but being the
• 56:46
  Speaker 8: primary health insurance plan for people is not what GoFundMe
• 56:50
  Speaker 8: was set up for.
• 56:50
  Speaker 7: And it should not be the case.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: Well, you sold me, so that worked.
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: You heard it here. Dan Fiber on Medicare for All.
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: I was there already, but in my hypothetical role-playing of
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: a Wisconsin voter, I'm on board now. Thank you so
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: much for being here tonight. Please give it up for
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal. Thank you so.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Much.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: You guys want to play a game? DC, Maryland, Virginia.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: You call yourselves the DMV, which makes sense because like
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: the DMV, you're boring, bureaucratic, and most of all, everyone
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: inside wants to get out as soon as fucking possible.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: You know what? I deserve to be booed. I'm booing
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: inside because we met a bunch of very passionate young
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: people who are working to flip the state of Virginia
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: before this show. from George Mason and elsewhere. And they're
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: very cool. And I still did a fucking joke.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Anything for humor, right? Anything.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: But because DC and Maryland are usually reliably blue, we
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: want to focus on you inconsistent monsters in the state
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: of Virginia. And yes, I said states. There's only one
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: commonwealth I recognize, and it's the one where Tom Brady
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: kisses his son on the mouth every morning.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Boo, fuck you.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: What are you booing? Never know. Virginia has some remarkably
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: important local elections coming up in 2019. Because of the census,
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: the winners in this election will draw districts that could
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: impact who represents Virginia in Congress for a decade or more.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing. When it comes to local elections,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: we Democrats, what's the word? Suck. I don't know how
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: you guys got ahead of me on that. We don't
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: turn out, even though in many cases local elections have
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: huge impacts on our lives. What's happening in Alabama and
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: other states right now is a testament to that. We
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: get it. National politics is flashy. It's sexy. Bernie.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Rosenstein.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: McConnell. Hotties. But we are going to train Virginians to
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: pay attention to local elections in a game we're calling
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: Hey Virginia, our eyes are down here in local politics
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: where a bunch of right-wing goons are going to gerrymander
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: the fuck out of your state if you don't show up.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: Our eyes are down here. Would someone out there like
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: to play the game? And I would like someone from Virginia.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: Why are multiple people showing up? What the fuck's happening? Hi,
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: what are your names?
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: My name's Jeremy. This is my brand new wife, Marissa.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Hi!
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: Wait, what's your name?
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: See, that's how you guys are together now.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: With t-shirts. Marissa. Jeremy and Marissa. Yeah. In matching Pod
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: Save the Pod Tour shirts.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: We got married yesterday in our home area of Youngstown, Ohio.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: We drove back specifically for this show, and we're flying
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: out of Dulles tomorrow for our honeymoon.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Wow. Look at that.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: That's so nice.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Congratulations.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: But are you from Virginia?
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we live here.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 7: We live in Arlington.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: The roller coaster. I mean, it's a sweet story, but
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: I thought it might have been to get away with something.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Jeremy and Marissa. All right, here's how this game is
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: going to work, and it's a tough one, okay? I'm
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: going to read you information about gerrymandering, okay? And that's
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: important to local elections, right? But as I do, our panel,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: they're going to try to distract you with national news, okay?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: And at the end of it, I'm going to quiz you. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: Honeymoon's over. Are you ready?
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: John will be your first distractor. Every 10 years, the U.S.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: Census is used to apportion seats in Congress.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: Hey, Trump just tweeted.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: 2020 is a census year, which means the people we
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: elect to state legislatures will get to redraw over 75%
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: of congressional district boundaries. Hey, Trump just.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Retweeted a meme video of him doing the piano dance
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: from Big.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: In other words, they'll have an opportunity to gerrymander. and
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: we'll have to live with the consequences.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Turns out the guy who made the meme is a
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: convicted terrorist.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: For at least another 10 years. Question!
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Hey, Trump tweeted again, and this time he spelled Iran
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: using an E instead of an I.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: E-ron.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: E-ron, he tweeted.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: The people we elect to state legislatures in 2020 will
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: get to redraw what percentage.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, Trump is tweeting about Detective Pikachu, and
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: it's clear he thinks it's a documentary.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: We're at the... I'm already in the question.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable. No, you're distracted.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: In 2020, the people we elect to state legislatures will
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: get to redraw what percentage of congressional district boundaries?
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: Trump was trying to Google, but he accidentally tweeted the words,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: two girls, one cup, extended cut. It's everywhere on Twitter.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Everyone's talking about it. That's coming out.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: All right, honeymooners.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: 75%.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: You got it. I love interrupting Lovett.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: That's fun. It's fun.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: It's really fun. We should play this game.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: It turns out yelling jokes over people is fun.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: You've made a good career.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: Out of that. You can fill a place.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Question two. Jeremy. Marissa. So far, is this game bringing
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: you closer together?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 7: A hundred percent.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, my goodness. Let's see if we can change that.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: Goldie will be your distractor. The 2018 blue wave was
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: subdued thanks to gerrymandering.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: You got me still.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: You're supposed to distract them. Democrats won the popular vote
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: over nine points.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: But the impact in terms of actual seats was smaller
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: than in the past.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: It was widely reported that Democrats got over.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: 300,000 more votes to state why the.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: Virginia Act, but they still could not win a majority
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: of seats in the State House.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: Did you see that?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: In 2018 midterm elections, Democrats.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: Won the national popular vote by how many points?
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: How many points?
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 7: National election?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: Democrats won the national popular vote by how many points?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: This is the problem. This is the problem. Nine percent.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: I may not have said it.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: I got a little distracted myself.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: Hey, you know what? Politics isn't fair. Lesson.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: If politics was fair, I'd be writing for the new
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: Roseanne nobody cared about.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: Because Trump wouldn't be, you get it. All right. And
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: none of this, doesn't matter. Three, Tommy is the distractor.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: Racist gerrymandering disenfranchises black voters.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: Hey, Mayor Peep just burnt the alphabet in Norwegian.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: In one case, a district boundary was drawn between dormitories
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: at North Carolina A & T, historically black college, to
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: split the students' 10,000 votes between the two districts. In Virginia,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: a court determined that race was the primary consideration between
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: 11 different district maps.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: Question.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: Doing a sex strike.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: What was the name of the college in North Carolina
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: where Republicans drew a district boundary between dormitories?
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Ante.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: Ante?
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah, what he said. I just heard Tommy Vitor saying
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 7: sex strikes.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: You guys got it.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah is such a funny answer. There's someone yelling behind you.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: You have me a sex strike.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: Sex strike.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: RT if you agree.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: RT to sex strike.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Did you get it?
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: I know they did. Shut up. Question four. Dan, who
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: looks truly horrified, will be your distractor. Gerrymandering has helped
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: make the Republican Party more extreme. This is thanks to hacking.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: The practice of drawing a district boundaries to exclude people
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: likely to vote for the other party.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: A representative in a purple district would need to have
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: more moderate views, but in a deep red district, the
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: election becomes a contest to see who can be the reddest.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: What can we do to stop this?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 7: Vote in 2020? I don't know.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: You got it. Here's the real answer.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: Crooked is teaming up with Data for Progress to launch
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: a fund to help end gerrymandering once and for all,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: and we're calling it Fuck Jerry.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: Mandering.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: It's called Fuck Jerry.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: Mandering.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: It's called Fuck Jerry. Mandering. It's called Fuck Jerry. Mandering.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: It's called Fuck Jerry. Firefest. because we had to add
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: the last part, lawyers. We're targeting 12 states over the
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: next two years and we're starting right here in Virginia
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: because Virginia's entire legislature is up for reelection this November.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: And Democrats have a shot at winning a majority and
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: making sure that the state doesn't have a bunch of
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: jacked up districts that purposely try to swing the election
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: to one party.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: So go to.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: Votesaveamerica.com slash donate and you can help fix Virginia in
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: just a few months. Thank you to our brand new
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: married couple, Jeremy and Marissa. They've won the game. And
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: that's Hey Virginia. Our eyes are down here in local
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: politics where a bunch of right-wing goons are going to
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: gerrymander the fuck out of your state if you don't
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: show up.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: Thank you to Congresswoman Shrula Jayapal. Thank you to Goldie Taylor.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: And thank you, D.C., Virginia, Maryland, for coming out.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 8: See you soon.