Latest / The Piano Maven with Jed Distler / Ten Cult Pianists
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- 0:00you This is Jed Disler, and welcome to The Piano
- 0:10Maven, your friendly podcast guide to piano recordings.
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- 0:47I'm not going to discuss recordings, actually,
- 0:51on today's episode. But I am going to talk about
- 0:54pianists, specifically the topic of... cult pianists.
- 0:59My friend David Hurwitz has been on a recent
- 1:02roll doing a series of videos that presents lists
- 1:07on the topic of conductors, like cult conductors
- 1:11or annoying conductors or underrated conductors,
- 1:16you know, whatever. He did a video on cult conductors,
- 1:21and also he posted reviews a while back on Classicstoday
- 1:26.com in a cult conductors series that didn't
- 1:31go on all that long. I wish it would expand a
- 1:34bit. But I thought I would imitate David Hurwitz,
- 1:37as I often do. And I'm going to come up with
- 1:40a list. Actually, I did come up with the list.
- 1:43Why am I saying that in the present? I did that
- 1:46in the past. I wrote out the list. It's a list
- 1:49of 10 pianists that I call cult pianists. And
- 1:55I'm sure this will instigate a healthy discussion
- 1:58among fellow piano mavens. Just what is a cult
- 2:04pianist, you may ask? Well, a cult... Pianist
- 2:08can mean several things. It can mean a pianist
- 2:11who may not be the most popular pianist on the
- 2:15planet, yet this pianist still amasses a devoted
- 2:19following and exerts a strong influence in the
- 2:24piano world. Or else a cult pianist can be one
- 2:28who cultivates a certain persona or mystery or
- 2:33one who has... a mercurial temperament or an
- 2:38unpredictable temperament. Some cult pianists
- 2:42think that the cult that materializes around
- 2:45them is nonsense. Yet other cult pianists encourage
- 2:50such behavior among their admirers. And then
- 2:54there are some pianists who only achieve cult
- 2:57status after their death or their retirement.
- 3:01And one example of that kind of pianist happens
- 3:04to be the first one on my list. I think this
- 3:07is a good example of a pianist who really acquired
- 3:11his cult status after he retired and after he
- 3:16died, but not necessarily when he was alive.
- 3:20And this is Joseph Hoffman, who lived from 1876
- 3:24until 1957. He was one of the most popular and
- 3:29admired and respected. pianists of his time,
- 3:33and he was considered something of a modernist
- 3:37in terms of his largely straightforward and technically
- 3:41breathtaking pianism. His studio recordings tended
- 3:46to be much straighter and direct in comparison
- 3:50with the flippant phrasing and variety of tricks
- 3:55that one often finds in his live performances
- 3:59from the late 1930s onward. Now, what happened
- 4:02with Joseph Hoffman is that after he died, he
- 4:06was pretty much forgotten about, except in the...
- 4:12Late 1960s, reissues of his broadcasts started
- 4:17to materialize along with the commercial recordings,
- 4:22and these mostly came from the International
- 4:25Piano Archive. And these reissues generated a
- 4:29lot of curiosity among piano specialists, and
- 4:33they began seeking these reissues out and also
- 4:36starting to wonder about, well, what other Joseph
- 4:40Hoffman material? is out there. And then starting
- 4:44in the 1990s, a complete edition of Joseph Hoffman's
- 4:49recordings began to appear on CD, first on the
- 4:53VAI label, and then the Marston label took over
- 4:56the series. And the end result was nine volumes
- 5:01of the complete Joseph Hoffman. And I think that
- 5:06the cult of Hoffman really was developed in tandem
- 5:11with these reissues, with people becoming interested
- 5:16in looking for more Hoffman performances and
- 5:19a lot of new discoveries coming out. So in that
- 5:23sense, Hoffman's cult status came after his death.
- 5:28The second cult pianist on my list is Arthur
- 5:31Schnabel. Now, it was true that he was popular
- 5:35in his time, and he did enjoy an international
- 5:38reputation. He was a major, major player and
- 5:42had tremendous respect among his colleagues.
- 5:46He had a measurable influence on 20th century
- 5:50pianism in terms of attitudes toward programming,
- 5:54along with his... analytical approach to interpretation,
- 5:58his close scrutiny of the text. In other words,
- 6:02his influence on the interpretive mainstream
- 6:05of the 20th century was considerable. But I still
- 6:10consider him a cult pianist in the sense that
- 6:13he taught many pupils who carried on his ideas,
- 6:17sometimes to more fundamentalist extremes than
- 6:21Schnabel. In other words, they were more Schnabel
- 6:24than Schnabel. I don't think Schnabel dissuaded
- 6:27this entirely, but there was a quote I read somewhere
- 6:32when Schnabel complained that he had been cursed
- 6:35by his pupils. I think there was a pupil who
- 6:38said, oh, Chopin is only a Salon composer. Didn't
- 6:42you say that, maestro? And Schnabel said, I only
- 6:45said he was a Salon composer at times. I don't
- 6:49remember the exact quote. cult pianist on my
- 6:53list is Miroslav Horshovsky, who lived from 1892
- 6:58until 1993. It's rumored that he may have been
- 7:03older than 100 when he died. And like Artur Schnabel,
- 7:07he studied too with Theodor Leschetizky, and
- 7:11also like Schnabel. He played a wide variety
- 7:15of repertoire in solo concerts in the early part
- 7:20of his career. But starting more or less in the
- 7:231940s, he was playing chamber music on an equal
- 7:28footing to his solo playing. And he didn't stop
- 7:31playing solo concerts, but he was heard more
- 7:34and more frequently in collaborative projects.
- 7:37And he was becoming more and more known for the
- 7:42central... German -Austro repertoire, although
- 7:46he did play some Chopin, he played a little Debussy,
- 7:50Shimonovsky. And once Horschovsky entered his
- 7:5490s, a coterie of young and internationally acclaimed
- 7:59pianists like Andras Schiff and Richard Goode
- 8:03and Peter Serkin, along with others, really started
- 8:06to... advocate a lot on Horschovsky's behalf.
- 8:10And they convinced the powers that be at Nonsuch
- 8:14Records to preserve Horschovsky's solo artistry.
- 8:18And so he began to make some solo recordings
- 8:21in the familiar setting of the Curtis Institute
- 8:25where he taught. A series of solo releases were
- 8:30issued on Nonsuch over a period of years. I think
- 8:34there were about five CDs. And then you suddenly
- 8:37had critics turning out for his New York recitals
- 8:41and fawning over him. And my late friend Alan
- 8:45Evans began issuing recordings deriving from
- 8:49Khrushchevsky's concerts from the 1950s up through
- 8:53the 1980s. Beethoven Diabelli variations that
- 9:00Horschovsky gave when he was 90, I think. So
- 9:03in a way, Horschovsky was a pianist who, I think,
- 9:07enjoyed the limelight, but he didn't pursue it.
- 9:11And you kind of get the idea of this old man
- 9:15playing for himself. just reflecting on his experience
- 9:21with this repertoire and that everyone coming
- 9:24to the concerts or listening to the recordings
- 9:27was eavesdropping and trying to get his wisdom.
- 9:31So I guess in a sense, he's a cult pianist. Vladimir
- 9:36Sofronitsky. was a Russian pianist who lived
- 9:39from 1901 until 1962. He is definitely a cult
- 9:45pianist. He had a pretty big repertoire, but
- 9:48he mainly specialized in Scriabin. He never met
- 9:52Scriabin, but he did wind up marrying Scriabin's
- 9:56daughter. And in Sovranitsky's heyday, he almost
- 10:00had a kind of rock star kind of following in
- 10:03the Soviet Union. always seemed to be a mystical
- 10:07aura about his many concerts at the Moscow Conservatory
- 10:12and the Scriabin Museum, where he loved to play.
- 10:15He did not like making studio recordings very
- 10:18much, although his studio discography is considerable.
- 10:22Yet many of Sofronitsky's concerts were recorded
- 10:26live, and I think generally without his knowledge.
- 10:33Despite the kind of cult following he had in
- 10:36Russia, Sofronitsky's reputation in the West
- 10:39was rather shadowy for the simple reason that
- 10:43his recordings rarely were made available in
- 10:47the West in the 50s and 60s. However, All of
- 10:52that started to change in the late 1970s when
- 10:55the Russian Melodia label started bringing out
- 10:58box sets of LPs devoted to Sofronitsky that not
- 11:02only contained studio recordings but numerous
- 11:05live performances of the kind I was talking about
- 11:09from the Moscow Conservatory and the Scriabin
- 11:12Museum and other venues. And this was supposed
- 11:16to be a complete or quote -unquote complete Sofronitsky.
- 11:20edition, but the Melodia boxes never went beyond
- 11:24a certain number of volumes. Anyway, specialist
- 11:28collectors like me got all worked up over the
- 11:32Sofronitsky boxes, which could only be found
- 11:35in imports at stores like Four Continents in
- 11:39New York and later at the Tower Records branch
- 11:43on East 4th Street, I think, if you could find
- 11:48these at all. The problem, is that many of these
- 11:51concerts were preserved in mediocre sound with
- 11:55harsh and sometimes distorted piano reproduction.
- 11:59And it's sometimes difficult to listen through
- 12:03or get past the sonic muck. And, you know, many
- 12:07of the Scriabin Museum concerts that were issued
- 12:10suffered from the absence of a good piano tuner.
- 12:14So one has to sift through the Sofronitsky discography
- 12:18to find the... best material in terms of both
- 12:21performance and sound quality. Actually, sometimes
- 12:25I like the idea of Sovranitsky more than the
- 12:29reality. Maybe the aura that he cast over audiences
- 12:33didn't always translate well into the recording
- 12:38media, but there are a lot of wonderful performances,
- 12:42but you just have to look for them. At a certain
- 12:44point, I should do a Sophronitsky episode for
- 12:48the Piano Maven. But he definitely had a cult
- 12:52around him. And I think even with the recordings
- 12:56coming out and people chasing after them, you
- 13:01know, those Melodia box sets, that's a cult for
- 13:04you, I think. Another Russian pianist who had
- 13:08a hypnotic effect on his audiences, but... enjoyed
- 13:12a truly international career once he began touring
- 13:16in the West was Sviatoslav Richter. He lived
- 13:20from 1915 until 1997. Western music lovers had
- 13:25a good inkling of Richter's gifts through his
- 13:29recordings from the 1950s. And I think it was
- 13:32that... live 1958 Sophia Bulgaria performance
- 13:37of Mussorgsky's Pictures and Exhibition that
- 13:40got a lot of attention and made Richter's name
- 13:44sort of a household word before he made his first
- 13:49appearances in the West. And then when Richter
- 13:52first toured in the West in 1960, all of the
- 13:56record companies jumped on the Richter bandwagon.
- 13:59However, as prolific as Richter was on disc and
- 14:03in concert, he never was comfortable in the limelight,
- 14:07and he could be moody and unpredictable, although
- 14:11never less than totally professional. But in
- 14:14Richter's case, I think the cult aspect of his
- 14:18career has less to do with the pianism per se
- 14:22than with the fascination of his highly devoted,
- 14:27even fanatical fan base. There were people who
- 14:31followed Richter around from concert to concert,
- 14:34and a great number of live recordings started
- 14:38to turn up on all kinds of labels. There was
- 14:41an organization called the Friends of Sviatoslav
- 14:44Richter that was devoted to making cassettes
- 14:47available of various richter concerts often in
- 14:51search of repertoire that he didn't record in
- 14:54the studio or was not otherwise available commercially
- 14:57so in this regard i've always thought of richter's
- 15:01being the grateful dead of pianists you know
- 15:05with people following him around and you know
- 15:07i don't think he had an official taper section
- 15:10but You know, there were so many Richter bootlegs
- 15:14out there. And, you know, I mean, the whole Richter
- 15:17discography is a mess. I've talked about the
- 15:19Richter discography on this podcast before. The
- 15:22next one on my cult pianist list is Rosalind
- 15:27Turek. And this is... This is a case of someone
- 15:31cultivating her own cult as a Bach specialist.
- 15:36By the early 1950s, the main focus of Rosalind
- 15:41Turek's concerts and recordings was the music
- 15:44of J .S. Bach, with a few exceptions. And the
- 15:48intense focus and specificity and utter concentration
- 15:53in forming her approach to Bach, and her total
- 15:58seriousness of purpose cannot be denied. And
- 16:02people generally went to her concerts not so
- 16:05much to listen as to worship. I'm not sure who
- 16:08first called Rosalind Turek the High Priestess
- 16:12of Bach. Although I remember once I wrote a review
- 16:15saying, well, the high priestess ought to get
- 16:17out of the temple more often. I think David Hurwitz
- 16:20wrote that also, and I just stole that from David.
- 16:23A pianist who is very similar to Rosalind Turek
- 16:27in terms of refined precision, and this may surprise
- 16:31you to hear me say that, is Arturo Benedetti
- 16:35Michelangeli. Now, he is a case where the cult
- 16:40surrounding him has... more to do with value
- 16:44in scarcity, because Michelangeli was notorious
- 16:48for cancelling concerts, and I'd like to say
- 16:52that he cancelled more concerts than he played.
- 16:54He probably had the smallest... public repertoire
- 16:58of any international concert pianist. The same
- 17:02works tended to pop up on his concerts over and
- 17:05over again between the early 50s and his last
- 17:09concert in 1993. You'd get the same few Beethoven
- 17:14sonatas or Ravel's Gaspard de Lanouis, Debussy's
- 17:19Image in Children's Corner, the Prelude's Book
- 17:22One. Certain Chopin pieces he would play all
- 17:26the time. You always got the Brahms Paganini
- 17:30variations and the Bach Busoni Chaconne. In the
- 17:35years after his death, piano mavens have searched
- 17:38high and low looking for previously unknown live
- 17:42recordings to supplant Michelangeli's relatively
- 17:46small output of official studio recordings. And,
- 17:52you know, I've done... several podcasts on Michelangeli
- 17:56Bach sets, and you do see like four or five different
- 18:00versions of the Bach -Bussoni Chaconne, and piano
- 18:04mavens tend to analyze these thinking, oh yeah,
- 18:07well, the 1948 commercial recording is good,
- 18:10but oh, there's the live one from 1958, or...
- 18:162086 and the one he played on Mars is much better
- 18:21than the one he played on Venus. Well, you know
- 18:24what I mean. But definitely there was a cult
- 18:27around him. I would say also that Martha Argerich
- 18:32is a cult pianist because she's in a position
- 18:35to pick and choose. what she plays, who she plays
- 18:40with, and where she plays. And she tends to do
- 18:43the same concertos and chamber works over and
- 18:46over again, but with different collaborators.
- 18:49And with few exceptions, she's avoided playing
- 18:53solo music in public since 1983. But all musicians
- 18:58love her, it seems. And a simple announcement
- 19:02that Argerich is going to be giving a concert
- 19:05creates a... box office stampede. And another
- 19:09mercurial piano luminary who has become more
- 19:14and more of a cult figure these days is Grigori
- 19:18Sokolov. He avoids certain countries, and he
- 19:23doesn't make studio recordings anymore, and he
- 19:26has a similarly strong performing personality
- 19:30and sense of projection that relates to Martha
- 19:34Argerich and Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli. And
- 19:38you may or may not like his interpretations,
- 19:42but the finish of his pianism and his almost
- 19:47scientific understanding of the piano's capabilities
- 19:51is something that you really can't ignore. And
- 19:54I know many, many pianists who consider Sokolov
- 19:58a kind of a god, even when he does outrageous
- 20:01interpretive things. And he has that kind of
- 20:05mythic status that's similar to Michelangeli
- 20:09and Argerich. And I don't think he started out
- 20:12as a cult pianist, certainly not when he won
- 20:15the Tchaikovsky competition when he was 16, I
- 20:18think in 1966. But I would say that starting
- 20:22in the 1990s, the cult started manifesting itself.
- 20:29And the last pianist on my list, and I think
- 20:32you knew this was coming, this is a pianist who
- 20:35definitely cultivated his own cult, his own persona,
- 20:40and his own myth. I'm talking about Glenn Gould.
- 20:44I wouldn't say so much cultivated than calculated,
- 20:48maybe. Calculated is the right word, because
- 20:51calculation was so much a part of his persona
- 20:54and artistic aesthetic. And he really knew how
- 20:59to draw attention to himself. Think about wearing
- 21:02winter clothes in the summer weather, his unusually
- 21:07low seating position in his crazy homemade bench,
- 21:11his humming along and gesticulating, and more
- 21:16importantly, his deliberately individual and
- 21:19very provocative interpretations. And also...
- 21:24his very public renunciation of playing in public
- 21:28in order to devote himself exclusively to studio
- 21:32recording. But Glenn Gould did have the pianistic
- 21:36brilliance and the musical mind to bring off
- 21:39anything he desired. And he did this with such
- 21:44charisma, of course. And you have to think of
- 21:47this, more than 40 years after his untimely death
- 21:52at the age of 50, Gould is still talked about
- 21:56and listened to very intensively. His recordings
- 22:00are reissued ad infinitum. More books have been
- 22:05written about Glenn Gould than of any other classical
- 22:08pianist, and he is still a very polarizing figure.
- 22:12Conservative musicians can't abide him, yet...
- 22:16Even some of his most wrongheaded and deliberately
- 22:19provocative interpretations are such fun to listen
- 22:23to, like his Mozart, for example. That's one
- 22:26of my guilty pleasures. I mean, I feel awful
- 22:29for saying that, but as crazy as his Mozart can
- 22:33be, I think what I like about it is that there
- 22:36isn't any cliché about the craziness. It's crazy
- 22:41and original. And yet, some of Glenn Gould's
- 22:45quote -unquote normal performances are beautiful
- 22:48beyond belief. Think about some of his Brahms
- 22:52Intermezzos, his Beethoven Third Concerto, a
- 22:56lot of his Bach, of course, his Schoenberg Concerto,
- 22:59his Berg Sonata. So, there you go. That is a
- 23:04cult pianist, if there ever was one. And we've
- 23:07been talking about ten cult pianists. Who else
- 23:11would you like to add to this list? Who did I
- 23:14forget to put on this list? I'm sure there's
- 23:17so many other pianists that belong here. Let
- 23:19me know and let's start a conversation on this
- 23:23topic. It'll be a lot of fun. This is Jed Disler
- 23:27and you've been listening to The Piano Maven,
- 23:29your friendly podcast guide to piano recordings.
- 23:34And I look forward to being with you for the
- 23:37next episode.