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The Kenny Report | 13 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 3: The Albanesi labor government's economic reform agenda. We've heard about
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  Speaker 3: all the proposed tax increases. Now there's a push for
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  Speaker 3: a four day week.
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  Speaker 2: So much for productivity.
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  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Labour's disastrous intervention in the Middle East has one
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  Speaker 3: direct praise from the murderous Islamist terrorists of Hummas.
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  Speaker 2: Where is Albanesi taking this nation.
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  Speaker 3: I'll get a view on all that from Israel. We'll
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  Speaker 3: get into the economic debate, and we have the Wednesday
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  Speaker 3: wrangle with Nika de Giorgio and Justin Smith. Let's get
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  Speaker 3: into it.
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  Speaker 2: It's the economy stupid.
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  Speaker 3: That's the advice someone in Canberra should be giving Anthony Albanesi,
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  Speaker 3: who seems to be intent on saving the planet and
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  Speaker 3: delivering peace to the Middle East, while our economy lurches
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  Speaker 3: on under a burden of record debt, endless deficits, and
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  Speaker 3: a productivity slump that was called out by the Reserve
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  Speaker 3: Bank governor yesterday, a productivity stasis that threatens to undercut
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  Speaker 3: our prosperity for years to come.
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  Speaker 4: The Prime Minister needs to focus at home. Can I
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  Speaker 4: make this clear today he really does. He's distracted by
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  Speaker 4: wars overseas. And while we care very deeply about suffering,
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  Speaker 4: there are Australians at home who are really struggling right now,
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  Speaker 4: struggling with the basics, and they need a Prime minister
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  Speaker 4: whose first duty should be to them.
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  Speaker 2: Look.
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  Speaker 3: I've warned for weeks about this economic summit that Albanezi
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  Speaker 3: and his Treasurer Jim Charmers are hosting next week. It's
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  Speaker 3: incredibly revealing. A green left government that broke its promise
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  Speaker 3: on electricity prices four times over, broke its promise on
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  Speaker 3: interest rates and the cost of living, and broke its
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  Speaker 3: promise not to fiddle with tax cuts. Well, it got
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  Speaker 3: re elected promising to do very little, but then straight
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  Speaker 3: away it called a called for a so called productivity
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  Speaker 3: round table to come up with some ideas for how
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  Speaker 3: to reinvigorate the economy. The trouble is that the best
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  Speaker 3: way to rev up our economy would be to reduce
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  Speaker 3: union controls and government regulations and green energy programs, and
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  Speaker 3: these are all things that labor is addicted to. So
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  Speaker 3: they change the name of the summit to an economic roundtable,
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  Speaker 3: and straight away we started to hear new ideas for
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  Speaker 3: something else. Labors addicted to new and higher taxes. There
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  Speaker 3: are proposals to broaden the GST, increase the GST, new
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  Speaker 3: taxes for big business, bring back the carbon tax and
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  Speaker 3: new road user taxes, and even taxing the family home.
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  Speaker 2: But the Treasurer assures us we can all relax, no doubt.
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  Speaker 5: People will bring all kinds of ideas on tax to
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  Speaker 5: the Economic Reform Roundtable. We've tried not to artificially narrow
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  Speaker 5: or limit the contributions that people make.
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  Speaker 2: We will listen respectfully.
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  Speaker 5: Our focus and our priority on tax is cutting taxes
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  Speaker 5: for forteen million Australians.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there'll be lots of talk about tax, but we're
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  Speaker 3: told nothing will happen. We will see unions will be
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  Speaker 3: heavily represented at the Economic Reform round Table.
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  Speaker 2: That's Labour's way.
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  Speaker 3: The ALP likes to pretend it's union masters are agents
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  Speaker 3: of economic reform rather than opponents.
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  Speaker 2: But got this.
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  Speaker 3: Even though this thing started out as a productivity summit,
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  Speaker 3: recognizing we need to produce more from our efforts, we
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  Speaker 3: need to be a more cost efficient economy if we're
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  Speaker 3: ever to improve our standard of living again, well to
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  Speaker 3: this table, the unions have brought a proposal for a
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  Speaker 3: four day working week, that is one less working day,
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  Speaker 3: but for the same pay.
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  Speaker 6: And from companies' perspective, they're more productive in the time
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  Speaker 6: that they're there. So this is not something that's a cost.
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  Speaker 6: This is actually something that's about are fairly sharing in
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  Speaker 6: the benefits of productivity, making sure it just doesn't go
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  Speaker 6: to big business profits but that work. As Cfair shared.
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  Speaker 3: Too, that's some way to boost productivity, isn't it do
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  Speaker 3: less work for the same money. It's actually the opposite
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  Speaker 3: of increasing productivity. It's a way to cripple productivity.
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  Speaker 7: We think that they want to have their cake and
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  Speaker 7: edit too. I mean, clearly you've got to have the
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  Speaker 7: productivity first. We want to see the ACTU coming to
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  Speaker 7: the table next week with substantive ideas, with positive suggestions.
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  Speaker 8: The ACTU and the union movement is running this show.
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  Speaker 8: You know, this government is run by the union movement.
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  Speaker 8: I went to the Jobs and Skill Well summit three
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  Speaker 8: years ago and I saw them beat the table saying
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  Speaker 8: they expected payback to getting them elected. Well, they've just
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  Speaker 8: given them a thumping majority, and I think they expect
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  Speaker 8: they're high up in the stirrups and they expect even
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  Speaker 8: more payback. But tell me how a small business here
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  Speaker 8: in Orange can pay the same wage for someone doing
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  Speaker 8: four days work.
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  Speaker 3: And once again the government that's created this policy vacuum
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  Speaker 3: and asked for these ideas, well, it's busy hosing them down.
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  Speaker 9: I wouldn't mind a six day and twenty three hour
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  Speaker 9: work week myself rather than twenty four to seven.
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  Speaker 10: Is.
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  Speaker 9: You know, people will come up with a whole range
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  Speaker 9: of ideas, and you know that's not a bad thing,
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  Speaker 9: you know, I think a lot of people would like
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  Speaker 9: to have a five day working work and say, look,
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  Speaker 9: these ideas will come up. I'm not going to give
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  Speaker 9: a running commentary on all of them, but certainly the
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  Speaker 9: government has no plans.
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  Speaker 5: Our interest here is in making sure that people can
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  Speaker 5: balance their work and family responsibilities. That's what motivates our
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  Speaker 5: position on work from home and in some of these
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  Speaker 5: other contentious areas. In recent times, we haven't been working
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  Speaker 5: up a policy for a four day week.
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  Speaker 3: So apparently ALBO is overworked and we've all got nothing
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  Speaker 3: to worry about. A government without a reform agenda is
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  Speaker 3: appealing for ideas for an economic reform, and it's having
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  Speaker 3: to disown the ideas for tax increases and more expensive
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  Speaker 3: work conditions that's coming its way. This is going to
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  Speaker 3: be fun to watch next week, isn't it. I just
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  Speaker 3: hope they don't make things even worse than they already are.
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  Speaker 3: Enough of stuffing up the country, let's get back to
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  Speaker 3: how Anthony Albanezi.
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  Speaker 2: Is delivering world peace.
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  Speaker 3: The most sickening thing about his morally repugnant move to
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  Speaker 3: recognize the non existent state of Palestine even while Hummas
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  Speaker 3: is still fighting Israel and still holding Israeli hostages was
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  Speaker 3: the fact that it rewarded Hummus for the October the
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  Speaker 3: seventh atrocities. And I made that point on Monday when
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  Speaker 3: it was announced what Anthony Albanezi has done today shames
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  Speaker 3: our nation and.
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  Speaker 2: It imperils us. This rewards terrorism.
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  Speaker 3: And anyone who understands the situation came to the same
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  Speaker 3: conclusion as was made clear by some dramatic newspaper headlines
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  Speaker 3: and reaction here and around the world.
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  Speaker 1: This is rewarding terrorists.
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  Speaker 11: This is a reward to her Mass for what they
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  Speaker 11: started on October seven.
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  Speaker 12: Well, go maas I basically concluded, let's not do us
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  Speaker 12: this far right, because we can be rewarded and we
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  Speaker 12: can claim it as a victory.
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  Speaker 4: To recognize unilaterally a Palestinian state does one thing for
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  Speaker 4: the terrorists. It rewards them and it emboldens them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but our prime minister, well he reckoned, he knew better.
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  Speaker 9: A Mass is a terrorist organization.
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  Speaker 1: It has no role to play.
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  Speaker 9: And her Mass, I've seen some of the comments that
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  Speaker 9: have been made of about Hamas somehow being rewarded. Ha
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  Speaker 9: Mass is opposed to two states. This is the opposite
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  Speaker 9: of what her Mass wants.
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  Speaker 3: Really, Albo tried to argue this was no reward. He
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  Speaker 3: has no idea what he's doing on this issue, does he?
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  Speaker 3: And as I've demonstrated time and again, And he showed
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  Speaker 3: that time and again by pretending his capitulation would be
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  Speaker 3: opposed by Hamas well.
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  Speaker 9: Where opposed to Hamas, Hamas can play no role. And
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  Speaker 9: what mister Sharma knows full well but didn't say as
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  Speaker 9: har Maas will be totally opposed to this decision. Her
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  Speaker 9: Mass don't support two states. They support one state. In
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  Speaker 9: their own words, from the river to the sea, from
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  Speaker 9: the Jordan river.
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  Speaker 1: To the ocean.
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  Speaker 3: Not only is he clueless about which sea or ocean
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  Speaker 3: he's talking about.
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  Speaker 2: The PM was actually trying.
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  Speaker 3: To say that the terrorists would oppose the way he's
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  Speaker 3: taken up their retric and demonized Israel. Well, He's ineptitude
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  Speaker 3: and dangerous dis diplomacy was exposed for all to see
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  Speaker 3: today when Hummas released a statement to the nine media
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  Speaker 3: newspapers praising Albanesi's decision. The Islamist extremist terror group's co
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  Speaker 3: founder Hassan Yusef welcomed Australia's recognition of Palestine as an
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  Speaker 3: important step in securing justice for his people. He said
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  Speaker 3: it reflected political courage and commitment to values of self determination.
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  Speaker 3: And crucially, the HUMMAS leader said the move by Australia,
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  Speaker 3: the UK, France and Canada had come about because of
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  Speaker 3: the escalation of armed resistance. He called it including the
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  Speaker 3: operations carried out on October the seventh and the way
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  Speaker 3: they significantly contributed to highlighting the suffering of the Palestinian people.
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  Speaker 3: What sickening words these are. This is exactly why I've
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  Speaker 3: called Albanesi's decision morally repugnant and so diplomatically dangerous. This
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  Speaker 3: not only rewards terrorism, it encourages Ithamas terrorists went from
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  Speaker 3: Gaza into the homes of Israeli families, and they shot
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  Speaker 3: little boys and girls dead. They butchered parents in front
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  Speaker 3: of their children. They burned people alive, and they marauded
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  Speaker 3: through a music festival, murdering young men and women, raping
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  Speaker 3: them and taking them hostage. They took babies as hostages,
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  Speaker 3: and women and girls and the elderly, and they tortured,
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  Speaker 3: raped and butchered them. And they still hold fifty hostages,
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  Speaker 3: thirty as dead bodies, twenty alive. And these people now
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  Speaker 3: praise Australia's Prime Minister because he's given them what they wanted.
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  Speaker 3: Even though Albo tried to pretend that wasn't the case.
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  Speaker 3: As I told you earlier this week, the facts were clear.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, this gives Humas exactly what it wanted when
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  Speaker 3: it slaughtered families, raped women, massacred innocent children, defiled bodies
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  Speaker 3: and took hostages twenty two long months ago. And when
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  Speaker 3: I say it gives Humas exactly what it wanted, I
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  Speaker 3: don't mean recognition of a Palestinian state. Of course, that's
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  Speaker 3: not what Hummas wants. Hummus wants the demonization of Israel.
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  Speaker 13: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what Albert EASi has given them. Look, this
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  Speaker 2: stuff is just terrible.
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  Speaker 3: It's terrible for our country, terrible for the people of
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  Speaker 3: Israel and the people of the Palestinian territories, and it's
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  Speaker 3: terrible for Australia's standing in the world and our crucial
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  Speaker 3: US alliance. Just remind yourself that the current terrorism alert
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  Speaker 3: in this country is at probable yep. A terrorism attack
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  Speaker 3: in this country at present is listed by our security
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  Speaker 3: agencies as probable, and yet our own Prime minister has
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  Speaker 3: given a reward effectively given encouragement to the murderous tactics
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  Speaker 3: of one of the world's most bloodthirsty Islamist terrorism groups.
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  Speaker 3: How could a political leader be so unwise.
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  Speaker 4: The endorsement of his decision by a listed terrorist organization
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  Speaker 4: is exactly the reason the Coalition has opposed it and
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  Speaker 4: would revoke it in government. Now, Prime Minister, if you've
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  Speaker 4: got a listed terrorist organization cheering on your foreign policy,
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  Speaker 4: it might be time to admit that you got it wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a disastrous decision by Labor, but tragically
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  Speaker 3: I fear they won't have the courage.
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  Speaker 2: To reverse it.
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  Speaker 3: There's more to say about this monumentally bad foreign policy
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  Speaker 3: decision because what it highlights is that Anthony Albanesi and
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  Speaker 3: Pennywong have absolutely no idea about the issues involved or
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  Speaker 3: the repercussions. They are all about gestures and political positioning.
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  Speaker 3: They are clueless about the central issues and the practicalities.
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  Speaker 3: For instance, they both keep telling us they have a
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  Speaker 3: cunning plan to sideline humm Us. Apparently those Israelis are
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  Speaker 3: either foolish or warmongers because they are fighting Humas in
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  Speaker 3: a bloody war to get back their hostages and eliminate
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  Speaker 3: the Hummas threat because Wong and Elbow reckon they have
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  Speaker 3: a better way.
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  Speaker 9: But what people in Gaza want clearly is for a
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  Speaker 9: peace to come out. And when people have clearly uprism
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  Speaker 9: against Hamas, Hamas needs to be isolated. Ha Maas needs
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  Speaker 9: to be disarmed.
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  Speaker 14: We don't want ha Mask in control of gars. Hamas
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  Speaker 14: is a terrorist organization. We consistently condemn them.
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  Speaker 9: The Arab League have made it very clear that Hamas
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  Speaker 9: must lay down its weapons. The international community have made
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  Speaker 9: it very clear that Hamas will have no role in
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  Speaker 9: a future Palestinian state.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, our Prime Minister and Foreign Minster want Israel to
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  Speaker 3: stop fighting a mass They just want hamas to disarm
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  Speaker 3: and disappear, only they don't actually have any idea about
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  Speaker 3: how that might happen.
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  Speaker 9: There's a range of paths, but we're not riding Middle
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  Speaker 9: East policy in a backyard here in Brisbane. What the
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  Speaker 9: international community are doing is moving forward as one with
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  Speaker 9: a common voice that says we must end the cycle
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  Speaker 9: of violence, end.
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  Speaker 3: The violence, disarm hummus. How he has no idea now,
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  Speaker 3: not to put too fine a point on this. As
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  Speaker 3: I said yesterday, though, the complete gormlessness of these aspirations
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  Speaker 3: remind me of the sort of global peace activism we
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  Speaker 3: used to see it beauty pageants.
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  Speaker 10: I was given thirty seconds to you have a message
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  Speaker 10: to the global terrorists? Is that what you said?
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  Speaker 11: Okay?
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  Speaker 10: I would just say that, you know, I know, as
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  Speaker 10: miss Usa, I can always spread a message of hope
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  Speaker 10: and love and Keith, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's pretty much the line we get from Wong and
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  Speaker 3: Alban easy on disarming Hummus.
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  Speaker 9: What we can do is to add our voice to
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  Speaker 9: those who are saying enough is enough and we need
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  Speaker 9: to advance the long term peace and security for both
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  Speaker 9: Israelis and Palestinians.
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  Speaker 3: We haven't heard stuff this hopeless since a little event
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  Speaker 3: at Parliament House in twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 15: So good morning everyone. My name is Esma and Miss
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  Speaker 15: Word Australia twenty seventeen, and I'm here today to support
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  Speaker 15: and advocate for a very important cause. Now you might
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  Speaker 15: think that a beauty queen coming here and saying that
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  Speaker 15: she wants word piece is a cliche to get everyone
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  Speaker 15: to start thinking about how we can achieve global peace.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we get the idea, all right. She could be
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  Speaker 3: a future foreign minister right there.
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  Speaker 14: Ultimately, though, this isn't about politics. What this ultimately has
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  Speaker 14: to be about his peace.
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  Speaker 16: If I had the honor to be Miss grind International,
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  Speaker 16: I will use my voice to spread the message of peace.
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  Speaker 4: Today, I stand here knowing that it is my responsibility
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  Speaker 4: the fight for peace, are to strive.
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  Speaker 6: For peace in this world.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is about that deep We all want peace.
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  Speaker 3: Israel is fighting for peace, but Albanezi says the fighting
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  Speaker 3: needs to stop because he is a plan to disarm
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  Speaker 3: Hamas and keep them out of the Palestinian struggle forever.
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  Speaker 3: Just by saying so, tell me which one of these
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  Speaker 3: comments makes the most sense.
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  Speaker 9: The international community are saying that we want peace and
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  Speaker 9: security for both is rallies and Palestinians. What you will
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  Speaker 9: see in September is a number of other like minded
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  Speaker 9: countries with Australia make this recognition going forward just about
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  Speaker 9: peace and security for both Israel and Palatians.
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  Speaker 17: Finally, I believe that they should our education over here
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  Speaker 17: in the US, should help the US, or should help
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  Speaker 17: South Africa. It should help BIREC in the Asian countries,
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  Speaker 17: so we will be able to build.
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  Speaker 2: Up our future.
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  Speaker 9: President Trump has made it very clear that he wants
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  Speaker 9: to see peace in the region. Australia wants to see
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  Speaker 9: peace in the region.
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  Speaker 2: If you didn't laugh, you'd have to cry. It is
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  Speaker 2: all tragically ludicrous.
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  Speaker 3: The hard reality of Australia's stand has been made plain
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  Speaker 3: by the US Secretary of State.
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  Speaker 12: It's largely meaningless, right, it's symbolic, and they're doing it
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  Speaker 12: primarily for one reason, and that is their internal politics.
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  Speaker 12: They're they're domestic politics. The truth of the matter is
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  Speaker 12: that the future of that region is not going to
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  Speaker 12: be decided by some UN resolution, is not going to
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  Speaker 12: be decided by some press release by a prime minister
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  Speaker 12: or a president from some country. It's going to be
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  Speaker 12: decided on the ground in fact, but all these statements
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  Speaker 12: are meaningless like they're they're not don't change anything.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, peace is hard one and always needs to be protected.
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  Speaker 3: The glib lines should be left for the beauty pageants
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  Speaker 3: because they just don't cut it in the tough reality
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  Speaker 3: of foreign relations. This guy to the one Nation founder
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  Speaker 3: in Ladipool in hands and it joins us from Queensland.
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  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, Pauling. I've got to
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  Speaker 2: get your take on Hummas praising our prime minister. What
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  Speaker 2: do you make of that?
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  Speaker 18: Well, here's our prime minister, mister thirty five percent that
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  Speaker 18: I called him, who's actually been praised by a communist
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  Speaker 18: country China, and also now a terrorist organization. That tells
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  Speaker 18: you a lot about him. He can't even had a
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  Speaker 18: phone call with the President of the United States, who's
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  Speaker 18: our ally so as I said, Chris, he just he
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  Speaker 18: doesn't still confidence in me. I don't like him as
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  Speaker 18: the prime MINISTU. I've got no time for the man whatsoever.
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  Speaker 18: He's leading this country into diastrates. As you know, our
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  Speaker 18: prosperity is going down the gurgle, our moral values, what
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  Speaker 18: we stand for, the way the Jewish people have been
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  Speaker 18: treated in this country and I believe that being supported,
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  Speaker 18: you know, supporting Hamas and this country in their praising him.
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  Speaker 18: I believe that we have fundamentalists terrorlests cells in Australia
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  Speaker 18: to give them some confidence in what they stand for.
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  Speaker 18: The radicalization that it's happening in this country, and it's
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  Speaker 18: a real shame where we're headed. Like I said, moral
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  Speaker 18: decay is happening in this country, and I believe it's
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  Speaker 18: been led by our Prime minister who doesn't have an
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  Speaker 18: absolute clue what he's doing and the direction he has
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  Speaker 18: this country headed in.
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  Speaker 3: As I pointed out, our current terrorist delud in this
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  Speaker 3: country is probable.
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  Speaker 2: We do have that threat in our nation as we speak.
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  Speaker 3: Yet he's taken a decision which clearly rewards and encourages
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  Speaker 3: the tactics of terrorism. That is where the on security
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: terms it is reckless and where it becomes morally repugnant
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: to me is that even if he wants to pretend
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: that somehow he can help deliver a two state solution
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: which everyone agrees to, but all the realists can see
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: is further off now than.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: It has been for decades.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: But surely, surely the very first precondition for any action,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: any movement let alone delivering the outcome would be the
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: return of all.
• 21:02
  Speaker 18: The hostages, correct, Chris, You lay down the ground rules
• 21:08
  Speaker 18: first and say, well, this is what we want. You
• 21:10
  Speaker 18: don't give them what they want and then hope that
• 21:13
  Speaker 18: they're going to get a democratic government, that Hamas will
• 21:15
  Speaker 18: actually give up the weapons, they'll hand over the hostages
• 21:18
  Speaker 18: and you know, the bodies of the dead they're dying,
• 21:21
  Speaker 18: and make an agreements. It doesn't work that way. You
• 21:24
  Speaker 18: have to use your force to say, okay, we're going
• 21:26
  Speaker 18: to set the ground rules. You will obey by the
• 21:28
  Speaker 18: ground rules. But these countries haven't. I think it's one
• 21:31
  Speaker 18: hundred and forty seven. Where the hell are these leaders
• 21:34
  Speaker 18: of this world? Where they're thinking? Is you know, thank
• 21:38
  Speaker 18: goodness that they all been easy. Wasn't around during the
• 21:40
  Speaker 18: Japanese when they were bombing Darwin because he would have said, look,
• 21:44
  Speaker 18: we'll do nothing and we'll just lay down our arms
• 21:46
  Speaker 18: and they will not invade us, They will not want
• 21:48
  Speaker 18: to take over this country. This is how hopeless he is.
• 21:52
  Speaker 18: He's a coward and he's hopeless.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't disagree with that, pulling you beggars belief
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: what he would do in the Second World War call
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: for us these fire and feed the Germans presumably.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just astounding.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: He's actually telling us that Israel should stop fighting Humus,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: and Hummus will just disarm themselves. Who's going to disarm them?
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: He talks about the Arab believe countries. Iran is their
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: main supplier, and Iran's got nothing to do with the
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Arab League, correct.
• 22:23
  Speaker 18: Look, I just feel for Israel. You know, everyone wants
• 22:27
  Speaker 18: to live in peace. It's all great, let's give the words.
• 22:30
  Speaker 18: We all want peace, Yes, we do, and we've been
• 22:32
  Speaker 18: fortunate enough to be. I've grown up in a country
• 22:35
  Speaker 18: that's had the peace since the Second World War. And
• 22:37
  Speaker 18: the fact is just apart from Vietnam and the Korean
• 22:40
  Speaker 18: War and a couple of the others, these team as,
• 22:42
  Speaker 18: we haven't seen war touch our shores. But all these people,
• 22:45
  Speaker 18: you know, I say, oh, we want peace, Well, peace
• 22:47
  Speaker 18: comes with decent decisions by leadership. But the fact there
• 22:50
  Speaker 18: is a lot of these countries, like your dictators that
• 22:52
  Speaker 18: you had, Mussolini and Hitler and these ones that have
• 22:56
  Speaker 18: wanted to take over and be dictators. You know, unless
• 22:59
  Speaker 18: you're standing up to them, you will not have peace.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Pauline.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it, Paula and Hansen, they're live from Queens
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: that I'm going to cross to Jerusalem in just a
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: moment for reaction to our Prime minister's grotesque decision to
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: recognize Palestine in this way and the praise he's received
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: for that from Hummas. You might remember, though, in June,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: we spoke about HELLEL.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Fulled.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: He's an American Israeli technology advisor and he's a columnist
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: and an advocate for his country, among other things. And
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: he was due to speak in Melbourne and Sydney at
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: charity events for marg and David Adom, which is a
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: big medical charity. They were raising money to fund new
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: medical facilities in Israel. But he was blocked from entering
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: this country.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: His visa was denied by our government.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: He was dubbed as divisive and a risk to the
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: health and safety or good order of our community. It
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: was an astounding decision and HELLEL. Fall now joins me
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: live from Jerusalem.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, HELLEL. Live. I followed your
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: case closely.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: I know you were interviewed by Shari Markson, and it
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: turns out that Australia's horrible decision to bar you was
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: a turn of good fortune for you because you were
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: able to beam into those events anyway, and the Iran
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: War broke out and you would have been kept away
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: from your family while they were going through that and
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: stuck in Australia.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: So you were pleased to be home during that period.
• 24:23
  Speaker 19: That's right, that's correct. That's an interesting way how things unfolded.
• 24:27
  Speaker 19: But you know, that was, from my perspective, just the
• 24:30
  Speaker 19: beginning of the moral deterioration. I mean, it wasn't the beginning.
• 24:33
  Speaker 19: We've been seeing this for years. But you know, it
• 24:35
  Speaker 19: seems to me that your Prime Minister and your government
• 24:37
  Speaker 19: has completely lost the plot and their moral compass has
• 24:40
  Speaker 19: completely shattered to pieces.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a clear indication of it.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: That's why I railed against that decision blocking you at
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: the time and other Israelis who have wanted to come here.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: But it's really come to it.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: It's a high point now, I suppose, or low point really,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: nah Dear, from my point of view, with this decis
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: to sort of preemptively recognize a Palestinian stite with no
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: preconditions about returning hostages or lying down, as he says,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: recognize the Palestinian stite and then Hamas will disarm.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Have you got any concept of how that might unfold?
• 25:18
  Speaker 19: Well, clearly obviously absurd. And it's worth noting, by the way,
• 25:22
  Speaker 19: that if you look at all the countries that are
• 25:23
  Speaker 19: preemptively recognized in Palestinian state, none of them are Muslim countries.
• 25:27
  Speaker 19: None of them are the Palestinians Muslim brothers. Where are
• 25:29
  Speaker 19: they and why are they not recognized? And the answer
• 25:31
  Speaker 19: is we understand the world understands what the Palestinians are
• 25:34
  Speaker 19: and what they stand for. Somehow these governments have completely
• 25:37
  Speaker 19: lost it and they're preemptively going to recognize this you know,
• 25:40
  Speaker 19: made up state that never existed in history. But you
• 25:43
  Speaker 19: know what the irony here is, perhaps your government should
• 25:46
  Speaker 19: call for the Palestinian authority to first recognize Israel's right
• 25:50
  Speaker 19: to exist before they recognize them. I mean, let's just say,
• 25:54
  Speaker 19: let's just say they deserve self determination and great, give
• 25:56
  Speaker 19: them a state. By the way, they had a state
• 25:59
  Speaker 19: it's called Gaza when we left Gaza and gave them
• 26:01
  Speaker 19: a state. But that's another topic for another time. But
• 26:04
  Speaker 19: the bottom line is they're not even demanding that they
• 26:06
  Speaker 19: recognize Israel. So it's quite clear that this is, you know,
• 26:10
  Speaker 19: like I said, a morally bankrupt move and it's sad.
• 26:13
  Speaker 19: But you know, as we said before, it's a zero
• 26:15
  Speaker 19: significance because it doesn't really mean anything other than the
• 26:18
  Speaker 19: fact that Israel can now deal with them like a
• 26:22
  Speaker 19: sovereign state with an army and do what we did
• 26:24
  Speaker 19: in Iran and Lebanon to the Palestinians. So in reality,
• 26:28
  Speaker 19: if anything, this declaration is bad for the Palestinians.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's not deadly bad for the Palestinians,
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: and it helps to lock in Hamas in Gaza for
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: status which can't be good for the Palestinians in Gaza.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Just give us a sense of the media coverage and
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: the role this decision is played in the public Dibidon.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Not obviously just Australia, but in concert with the UK,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: France and Canada.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: This must have had some impact.
• 26:52
  Speaker 19: I mean, these you know, they're not in an abyss,
• 26:54
  Speaker 19: these decisions, and they lead directly to an increase in
• 26:57
  Speaker 19: anti Semitism and hatred of the Jews in Israel. We're
• 26:59
  Speaker 19: see this on the streets, you know of Sydney. With
• 27:01
  Speaker 19: that march, hundreds of thousands of people carrying ISIS flags
• 27:05
  Speaker 19: and Hesbala flags. This is full blown terror support in
• 27:08
  Speaker 19: the streets of Sydney. And it's not just Sydney, you know,
• 27:10
  Speaker 19: it's la it's New York, it's London, it's everywhere. And
• 27:13
  Speaker 19: these decisions they amplify this concept. You know that Israel's
• 27:17
  Speaker 19: this aggressor and the Palestinians are this poor, you know, victim,
• 27:21
  Speaker 19: But in reality, Israel's fighting on seven fronts after it
• 27:25
  Speaker 19: was attacked unprovoked. So who hears the victim and who
• 27:28
  Speaker 19: hears the aggressor? But the lies they just pile up.
• 27:30
  Speaker 19: And you know why did they pile up? They pile
• 27:32
  Speaker 19: up because the entire identity of these people who call
• 27:35
  Speaker 19: themselves Palestinians, the entire thing from day one has been
• 27:38
  Speaker 19: a lie. I mean Yasir Arafat, the father of the
• 27:40
  Speaker 19: Palestinian people, was born in Cairo and he established a
• 27:44
  Speaker 19: Palestine Liberation organization in nineteen sixty four. What was he
• 27:47
  Speaker 19: liberating in the Palestinians from Because the so called occupation
• 27:51
  Speaker 19: only started in nineteen sixty seven, So what was he
• 27:54
  Speaker 19: liberating them from in nineteen sixty four? And the answer
• 27:56
  Speaker 19: is it's obvious because their charter is online and you
• 27:59
  Speaker 19: can read it, and the answer is every single inch
• 28:02
  Speaker 19: of Israel. They wanted the entire thing, and that's why
• 28:04
  Speaker 19: they rejected countless offers for a state, including the disengagement
• 28:09
  Speaker 19: when Israel handed it to them Gaza on a silver
• 28:11
  Speaker 19: platter and said build a steat and immediately what do
• 28:14
  Speaker 19: they do? Destruction terror because they don't want to steep.
• 28:17
  Speaker 19: They've never wanted a steep.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: There is so much to talk about and we'll catch
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: up again.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Hello.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: But just on that point, it also underscores why Egypt
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: and Jordan should be doing much more when it comes
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: to the future of Palestinian people because they traditionally were
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Egyptians and Jordan Theese people.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: But there's so much to unpack and we'll catch up
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: with you again. I appreciate your time.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Hellottle Food there columnists and commentator from Israel who was
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: banned from this country.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: You can follow him on Instagram and elsewhere.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: He's also always got very straightforward and worthwhile takes on
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: what's unfolding in Israel.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: We're going to take a break down on the other side.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: We'll check in on this union led push for a
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: four day work week in the midst of what is
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: a productivity crisis in this country. Now, we've already had
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: all sorts of wild and wacky ideas emerge, including broadening
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: the GST, bringing back the carbon tax, and a push
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: for higher taxes on housing, investments and big business in
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: the lead up to this economic roundtable. Now the union
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: movement is pushing for a four day working week with
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: no change to pay or conditions, despite employees working fewer hours.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Doesn't sound very productive, does it. Prime Minister and Treasurer
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: have ruled it out.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: These ideas will come up.
• 29:35
  Speaker 9: I'm not going to give a running commentary on all
• 29:38
  Speaker 9: of them, but certainly the government has no plans.
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: Our focus in industrial relations has been abolishing non compete clauses,
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: protecting penalty rates, extending payper and a leave.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Let's get reaction now from the business community. I'm joined
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: by Innes Willock's, chief executive of the Australian Industry Group.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Good to talk to you again in US this one.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Did this one catch you by surprise? Did you know
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: the unions were pushing for this or did the headlines
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: shock you this morning?
• 30:06
  Speaker 20: I was talking to one of them a couple of
• 30:08
  Speaker 20: days ago and it sort of got dropped into a
• 30:10
  Speaker 20: conversation and I honestly thought they were joking, and so
• 30:15
  Speaker 20: I didn't pay much attention to it at all, And
• 30:18
  Speaker 20: then it popped up this morning and it was sort
• 30:20
  Speaker 20: of golf smacking, but it was also the bottom of
• 30:23
  Speaker 20: the barrel in a whole range of sort of as
• 30:25
  Speaker 20: you said, wild and lacky ideas that have been put
• 30:28
  Speaker 20: forward for the summit next week. You know, if the
• 30:31
  Speaker 20: unions had their way, they'd say everything is an employer's
• 30:35
  Speaker 20: fault when it comes to productivity, more tax on our exports,
• 30:40
  Speaker 20: they want more pay for everyone without any return, and
• 30:45
  Speaker 20: they want people to work less. You put all that
• 30:48
  Speaker 20: together as a package, it's a pretty sobering and somber
• 30:52
  Speaker 20: picture for Australia and demonstrates a complete lack of knowledge
• 30:56
  Speaker 20: around the prick of the predicament we're in, but also
• 31:00
  Speaker 20: what productivity actually is. And the Reserve Bank yesterday cut
• 31:05
  Speaker 20: its forecasts on productivity growth in Australia for a very
• 31:10
  Speaker 20: good reason, and that is that we're going backwards. And
• 31:13
  Speaker 20: it was really a statement of reality and what we
• 31:15
  Speaker 20: have to try to do next week is to turn
• 31:18
  Speaker 20: the ship around. And crazy ideas like this are not helpful,
• 31:23
  Speaker 20: particularly when the government has been very clear through this
• 31:26
  Speaker 20: process for their reasons they don't want to discuss workplace
• 31:31
  Speaker 20: relations at this summit. That's fair enough, that's their call,
• 31:35
  Speaker 20: that's their summit. But all we've heard from the AC
• 31:37
  Speaker 20: to the proposals that would fundamentally change how we work,
• 31:42
  Speaker 20: what we work for, and how we do it. And
• 31:45
  Speaker 20: I'm really pleased the Prime Minister and the Treasurer have
• 31:48
  Speaker 20: just knocked this on the head very quickly. But you
• 31:50
  Speaker 20: know how these things work. Once they've put out into
• 31:53
  Speaker 20: the public square, they percolay away, and I think that
• 31:56
  Speaker 20: was part of the rationale behind this exactly.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: It's a bit of a soft launch if you like.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Here's a little bit more of what the union movement
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: had to say.
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: All the independent studies into it show you that it's
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: really good for working people and for businesses, and it's
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: good for a few reasons. It's good because workers' performance improve,
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: they're healthier, they're more likely to stay in the job,
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: they're less likely to get burnt out.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean essentially arguing black is white there somehow
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: they're doing less is going to be good for productivity. Now,
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: I got to say I thought it was pathetic that
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: a newly elected governor had to have this a summit
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: to find an agenda. But to give them credit, I
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: thought the idea of a productivity round Table at least
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: showed that they understood the core of the problem.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: We need to become more productive.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Do you think changing the name to an Economic round
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Table is a signal that they're not up for that
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: productivity challenge because it would necessarily actually mean tackling the
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: unions trying to reduce some of the union the labor
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: market restrictions in this country.
• 32:58
  Speaker 20: Well, you're only going to get it productivity uplift in
• 33:01
  Speaker 20: Australia if you tackle the core of the productivity problem,
• 33:05
  Speaker 20: and that is that our systems are too convoluted, we're
• 33:09
  Speaker 20: overly taxed, were overly regulated, we're not competitive internationally. And
• 33:14
  Speaker 20: then you look at the root causes of that, and
• 33:16
  Speaker 20: a lot of that comes back to workplaces where the
• 33:19
  Speaker 20: unions try to hold sway. And I think the government
• 33:23
  Speaker 20: has sort of been inundated with submissions over eight hundred
• 33:28
  Speaker 20: and thirty submissions with all sorts of ideas. That's fair enough,
• 33:32
  Speaker 20: But what you want out of this, I hope I'm
• 33:34
  Speaker 20: really optimistic and hope that we'll get some clear directions
• 33:39
  Speaker 20: around how we can tackle some of these problems, around
• 33:42
  Speaker 20: the complexity, around cost, How do we simplify things, How
• 33:46
  Speaker 20: do we get stuff built more quickly in Australia. How
• 33:49
  Speaker 20: do we as a country function and operate in a
• 33:52
  Speaker 20: rapidly changing world, new technology, changing trading landscape, geopolitics, how
• 34:00
  Speaker 20: economics are changing rapidly. You know what got us to
• 34:03
  Speaker 20: this point and we've been pretty lucky. Not called the
• 34:06
  Speaker 20: lucky country for nothing is not going to guarantee success
• 34:09
  Speaker 20: going forward. And that's why we're talking about declining living standards.
• 34:13
  Speaker 20: So let's get real. Let's tackle some of the root causes.
• 34:17
  Speaker 20: And I hope through this roundtable that we're able to
• 34:20
  Speaker 20: at least start to dig out some of the big
• 34:24
  Speaker 20: causes of our productivity and our economic malaise and point
• 34:27
  Speaker 20: the government in a direction to start to tackle these issues.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Let's hope.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: So it's long overdue, appreciate your time in US. We
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: likes there from the Australian Industry Group, and we'll keep
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: tabs on exactly what unfolds next week.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Let's hope something useful comes out of it all. Got
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: to get to a break.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: On the other side, I'm going to catch up with
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: the Shadow Defense Mins to Angus Taylor.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: I'll get his thoughts on our preparedness for war in
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: this country.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Let's go to the Shadow Defense Mins to Angus Taylor.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Now it joins us from the the CBD. Good to
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: talk to you again, Angus. You're one of the first
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: people to point out, as I did on Monday, that
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: this recognition by Anthony Albanezi of a non existent Palaestinian
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: state is a clear.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Reward to HUMMAS for October the seventh.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: So today's message from HUMMAS wouldn't have surprised you, But
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: tell us what you think it means for Australia and
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: our diplomacy.
• 35:26
  Speaker 11: Well, that's absolutely right, Chris, and of course we all
• 35:29
  Speaker 11: want to see an end to this tragedy we're seeing
• 35:32
  Speaker 11: in the Middle East in Israel. But the truth of
• 35:35
  Speaker 11: the matter is what we've seen from this Labor government
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: is a shameful moral fail where they are rewarding terrorism,
• 35:43
  Speaker 11: rewarding Hamas. And it's just quite extraordinary, isn't it that
• 35:46
  Speaker 11: one of the co founders of a MAAS has come
• 35:49
  Speaker 11: out and praised the government's decision to recognize Palestine. That
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: is not the kind of support that good policy should
• 35:58
  Speaker 11: be getting because it isn't the right answer. We do
• 36:03
  Speaker 11: support a two state solution. We'd like to move towards
• 36:07
  Speaker 11: a two state solution, but there's very clear preconditions that
• 36:10
  Speaker 11: have to be met before that can be achieved, starting
• 36:13
  Speaker 11: with a peace agreement, release of hostages, demilitarization of Hermas,
• 36:18
  Speaker 11: mass having no role in a future government for Palestine,
• 36:23
  Speaker 11: and none of those assurances can be given right now
• 36:27
  Speaker 11: by a bus or anyone else for that matter, And
• 36:30
  Speaker 11: that's clear in the comments that have been made both
• 36:34
  Speaker 11: by the co founder of Hermas but also Marco Rubio
• 36:37
  Speaker 11: who's made a similar set of comments.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: The terrorist in this country at the moment is probable.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Yet we have a prime minister who has said words
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: and taken a position that is seen as a reward
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: and accepted as a reward by one of the world's
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: most bloodthirsty Islamist terrorist groups. Does that concern you.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: It concerns me greatly.
• 37:02
  Speaker 11: Chris I went on to Sky just minutes after the
• 37:06
  Speaker 11: Prime Minister made his announcement earlier this week and made
• 37:11
  Speaker 11: exactly that point. This is rewarding terrorism. We cannot afford
• 37:15
  Speaker 11: to reward terrorism. Have we forgotten the terrorism that we
• 37:20
  Speaker 11: have lived through over decades and these terrorists are delighted, delighted.
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: Ha Mass is delighted with the decision that the government
• 37:29
  Speaker 11: has made. So it is a shameful moral fail by
• 37:34
  Speaker 11: the government. They are making an egregious area here. We
• 37:37
  Speaker 11: all want to see an end to the atrocious tragedy
• 37:41
  Speaker 11: that we have seen in the Middle East, but this
• 37:44
  Speaker 11: is not the pathway through.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: I want to get to your new portfolio of defense
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: and the real challenge for this nation. And there was
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: a fantastic special here on Sky on Tuesday on Monday
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Night to the War Cabinet, hosted by Chris Juelman, but
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  Speaker 3: a great collection of brain talking about what we need
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  Speaker 3: to do in this country from both sides of politics
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  Speaker 3: and from the bureaucracy. Here's the former Labored Defense Minister,
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  Speaker 3: Joe fitzgiven in ten years time, they'll be spend each
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  Speaker 3: wise what we were when they came to office.
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  Speaker 19: But it's clearly not going to be enough.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And there was also expertise on hand about the
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  Speaker 3: changing nature of warfare and what our challenges are there.
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  Speaker 21: We know in Australia that actively Chinese military cyberspies are
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  Speaker 21: actively probing our civilian critical infrastructure, looking for weaknesses and
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  Speaker 21: looking for ways to get in and hide and buy
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  Speaker 21: potentially for high impact sabotage if relations deteriorate in the region.
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  Speaker 3: Now, to summarize an hour of intelligent and divergent television,
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  Speaker 3: there's a bit of a consensus there that a we
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  Speaker 3: have to spend a lot more a lot quickly on defense,
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: but that China is a huge strategic threat in our region,
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  Speaker 3: and see that everything hinges for us on the US alliance.
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  Speaker 3: How are these things being managed at the moment under Albanisi?
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  Speaker 11: Well, can I say I agree with all three of
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  Speaker 11: those points, Crews, I agree strongly with all three of them.
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  Speaker 1: And labor is failing on all three.
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  Speaker 11: They're not prepared to have an upfront discussion with the
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  Speaker 11: Australian people about the risk of domination of the Indo
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  Speaker 11: Pacific by the Chinese Communist Party and the PLO.
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  Speaker 1: I mean live fire exercises.
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  Speaker 11: Off the south coast of New South Wales and the
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  Speaker 11: government has nothing serious to say about it. I mean,
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  Speaker 11: this is completely unacceptable. Their spending profile is at two
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  Speaker 11: percent of duty, but we're already committed to three. I
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  Speaker 11: know this is difficult at a time like this to
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  Speaker 11: find that money, but we have no choice. This is
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  Speaker 11: what we must, we absolutely must do, and we need
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  Speaker 11: to have an Australian defense force that is prepared, that
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  Speaker 11: is agile, that has the people it needs, that has
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  Speaker 11: the sovereign manufacturing capability it needs, misile manufac drone and
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  Speaker 11: counter drone manufacturing. The emerging technologies that we are seeing
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  Speaker 11: are playing such a critical role in conflicts around the world.
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  Speaker 1: The objective here, of course is peace, Chris.
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  Speaker 11: We should always remember that deterrence through peace, but we're
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  Speaker 11: not going to do that without a strong alliance for
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  Speaker 11: the United States. And this is a government where the
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  Speaker 11: Prime Minister hasn't even had a face to face meeting
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  Speaker 11: with the President of the United States.
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  Speaker 1: That's completely unacceptable.
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  Speaker 2: It's deeply worrying at the moment. Thanks for joining us,
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  Speaker 2: Angus Taylor.
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  Speaker 3: Really appreciated Angus Taylor, who is now the Shadow Defense Minister.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Now, if you missed the War Cabinet, you can still
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: catch it.
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  Speaker 3: If you're watching for the regions, you can stream the
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: War Cabinet on our website, or if you're watching through Foxtel.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: You can catch up anytime on Foxtel on demand and
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: there'll be more information.
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  Speaker 2: There's no doubt you've got to ca ch up on
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  Speaker 2: that doc. Go yeah, otherwise in coming days. It's a
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: fantastic compulsory viewing at these times. Now we've got to
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: take a break.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: We'll come back with a Wednesday Rangle Dinika de Georgia
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: and Justin Smith. We'll talk about, among other things, former
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Prime Minister Tony Abbott caught out on traffic duties.
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  Speaker 2: Would you believe.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Let's get into a Wednesday wrangle with Denika to Georgio
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  Speaker 3: Scott news host here on the desk of course, and
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Justin Smith, of course, columnists and broadcast joining us from Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: Mate, how many days do you work a week? You
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: can afford to do it?
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  Speaker 1: Oh man?
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  Speaker 22: What a sweet deal? Lot a sweet deal to work
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  Speaker 22: four days a week, you know, wouldn't it? It'd be nice,
• 41:29
  Speaker 22: wouldn't it. Because they did a study that I think
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  Speaker 22: took in about three thousand people from six countries and
• 41:35
  Speaker 22: they said it certainly reduces burnout and makes people's well
• 41:39
  Speaker 22: being far better. But unfortunately they didn't look at productivity,
• 41:44
  Speaker 22: and I wish I had off, because if they had,
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  Speaker 22: it might have shown that it works. Look at you,
• 41:49
  Speaker 22: it could work, but I don't think we've seen a
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  Speaker 22: proper study to say that it does.
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  Speaker 2: It does make me lazes.
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  Speaker 1: It's got to make your laugh though.
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  Speaker 3: You have a productivity forum supposedly, and the union's contribution
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: is we'll have another day off now. I know that
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Kenny reports only four days a week, but I write
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: a column too, and I work about it now.
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  Speaker 2: I've always off for working too much? What are your
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  Speaker 2: record of this?
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  Speaker 10: Oh?
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  Speaker 13: Please?
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  Speaker 16: I mean no wonder the unions have got a front
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  Speaker 16: row seat it next week's Fronductivity Commission. Why would you
• 42:17
  Speaker 16: want to go into business right now? In this country
• 42:19
  Speaker 16: they've got the unions with their fingers and every single
• 42:21
  Speaker 16: pie electricity bills are through the roof.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: I our laws.
• 42:24
  Speaker 16: You just wouldn't want to touch it right now? I mean,
• 42:26
  Speaker 16: do the unions actually understand how business operates? Because clearly
• 42:30
  Speaker 16: they have got no idea And I feel so sorry
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  Speaker 16: for Melbourne businesses with this possible legislation. You know, let
• 42:38
  Speaker 16: employers aside from themselves what they want to do for
• 42:41
  Speaker 16: their own businesses, stop dictating how people should be living their.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Lives, you get governments and unions out of it. You
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: might get some productivity I want to get. Don't want
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: to spend too long on the Middle East, because we
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: do do a lot on it. But I have talked
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: about how morally repugnant I found the government's decision. But
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: I've also had a bit of fun tonight just poured
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: out the vicuity of what Anthony Albanezi and Penny Wong
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: have had to say. They are basically speaking like beauty
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: pageant queens on foreign affairs.
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  Speaker 12: Have a look.
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  Speaker 9: President Trump has made it very clear that he wants
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: to see peace in the region. Australia wants to see
• 43:17
  Speaker 9: peace in the region.
• 43:19
  Speaker 10: I was given thirty seconds to you have a message
• 43:21
  Speaker 10: to the global terrorists? Is that what he said? Okay?
• 43:25
  Speaker 10: I would just say that, you know, I know, as
• 43:28
  Speaker 10: Miss Usa, I can always spread a message of hope.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: And love and Keith, it's not unfair, is it, Tanika.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that's ourbo.
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  Speaker 3: He's just saying there's going to be peace because we're
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: going to tell how much to lay down their arms.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 16: I actually think the beauty queens are way more articulate,
• 43:44
  Speaker 16: Prime Minister, and that is saying something. Look, it's very
• 43:47
  Speaker 16: clear Anthony Aberezi has no idea what he's on about.
• 43:49
  Speaker 16: It's like he says words just because he's got a
• 43:51
  Speaker 16: full time at press conferences. Yesterday, of course he said
• 43:54
  Speaker 16: from the river to the to the ocean, and now
• 43:57
  Speaker 16: today he was waffling on about nonsense. But look, I
• 43:59
  Speaker 16: completely agree with you. This is a disgraceful decision. Hamas
• 44:02
  Speaker 16: coming out today giving out Anthony Albanezi the golden sticker
• 44:05
  Speaker 16: on his forehead. It is another dark day for this country.
• 44:08
  Speaker 16: It's an abomination of our values. But we always knew
• 44:11
  Speaker 16: that this was going to happen. This was always going
• 44:13
  Speaker 16: to reward Hummus, and I just feel for today the
• 44:17
  Speaker 16: Jewish community once again in this country, who are suffering
• 44:20
  Speaker 16: under this ridiculous prime minister who doesn't know whether he's
• 44:22
  Speaker 16: coming or going.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: Give us your thoughts justin on how Albanez he shakes
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: off this endorsement from Hummas and how on earth he's
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: going to implement a plan that basically says give them
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: a state and then Humas will lay down its weapons.
• 44:36
  Speaker 22: Well, I'm not endorsing the plan, but I got to say,
• 44:39
  Speaker 22: when did we start believing what Hamas said, We've never
• 44:43
  Speaker 22: believed them before, nor should we ever believe them before.
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  Speaker 22: They're lying, murdering bastards. But all of a sudden they
• 44:49
  Speaker 22: come out with this ringing endorsement and we believe that
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  Speaker 22: they're telling us the truth. I mean, they're just as
• 44:55
  Speaker 22: likely to be saying that because they know it's going
• 44:57
  Speaker 22: to tick off Israel, and they know it's going to
• 44:59
  Speaker 22: tick of everybody who's been supporting Israel.
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  Speaker 2: They're just as likely to be saying it for that
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  Speaker 2: very reason.
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  Speaker 22: But we've got to look at it right now and say, look,
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  Speaker 22: surely what we've got right now isn't working. I'm not
• 45:10
  Speaker 22: saying suggesting for a second that Anthony Albernezi has the
• 45:13
  Speaker 22: proper solution here, but what we have is currently not working.
• 45:18
  Speaker 22: And if we don't recognize that, then peace is so
• 45:21
  Speaker 22: far away it's almost unimaginable.
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  Speaker 10: Jolson.
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  Speaker 16: Her mus want one state, their own state, and to
• 45:28
  Speaker 16: wipe out Israel. In fact, it is in their charter.
• 45:31
  Speaker 16: I agree that we can't believe everything that her Musk says.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not sticking up to Hamas. I'm where did you
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: get that?
• 45:37
  Speaker 16: I'm not suggesting that you're sticking up for her Musk
• 45:39
  Speaker 16: and I do agree with you. I do agree with
• 45:41
  Speaker 16: you that we can't trust me, you must says. But
• 45:43
  Speaker 16: the point I'm trying to say is here that if
• 45:46
  Speaker 16: you're going to say we're going to recognize a Palestinian
• 45:49
  Speaker 16: state benefits one person, where benefits one group, and that
• 45:52
  Speaker 16: is her mus And this is exactly what has happened today.
• 45:54
  Speaker 16: We cannot be surprised that Hermas has released this statement
• 45:57
  Speaker 16: saying that Anthony Alberinezi had the political courage, this was
• 46:00
  Speaker 16: always going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think justin you're saying what we're doing is
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: not working. The point is you've got to wipe out
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  Speaker 3: you've got you've got to disarm humask and you can't
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: do that by asking them. You've either got to fight
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: them or let them go. And alban Easy is saying
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: let them go, stop the fighting.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Well, then what he's nice.
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  Speaker 22: No, Look, come on, he's not saying let them go,
• 46:21
  Speaker 22: is he He's not saying let he's he's saying, come on, listen,
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  Speaker 22: I'm not.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Here to stand here in front of the Prime minister.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: But he's not saying he's not saying he.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Is saying, stop the fighting. And he says, hummus will
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: then disarm.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: That is ludicrous. No, they're not going to disarm.
• 46:40
  Speaker 22: No, they're not going anywhere. Yep, you're not going to
• 46:43
  Speaker 22: get make You're not going to get an argument about
• 46:45
  Speaker 22: it out of me about Hamas needing to go.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: But what we're currently God isn't working well.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: What we've currently got at the moment is a disaster.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: But what we've got as a prime minister, the keen
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: to make it worse from this from his latest stance.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Let's go to a.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Former prime minister. This is a little bit of good news.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: This is sort of one of those things you like
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: to say only happens in Australia, because this blog is
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: a former prime minister of.
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  Speaker 2: This great nation.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: And he was reduced to directing traffic the other night
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: as people were crowded coming out of a theater.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Oh we had a still there. The clips not working,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: will roll that if it comes through. But Tony Abbott
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: was there directing traffic.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: I imagine what he'd be saying with that, stop stop
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: stop the cars, stop the cars. But it's typical of
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: the sort of bloke he is, right, he's a model citizen.
• 47:35
  Speaker 16: He's a model citizen where he's a firefighter, he's now
• 47:37
  Speaker 16: a traffic warden and I found this fascinating. So this
• 47:40
  Speaker 16: was in the car park of the Sydney Theater Royale,
• 47:44
  Speaker 16: where he was actually guiding people in to go and
• 47:46
  Speaker 16: watch Cats the musical, I believe. I mean, is there
• 47:49
  Speaker 16: anything that this former prime minister couldn't do it? In fact,
• 47:51
  Speaker 16: you know what would be really good right now, Chris,
• 47:53
  Speaker 16: is if Tony Abbott actually was the Prime minister still,
• 47:55
  Speaker 16: perhaps one of the problems in this country right now
• 47:58
  Speaker 16: would have been solved already if we had a like
• 48:00
  Speaker 16: him back in power.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: It would be a good thing. I know Justin might
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: agree with that'd be a good thing.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Actually, if he stopped people seeing cats and he was
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: running the country.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not surprised at all.
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  Speaker 22: Any office who's actually met Tony Abbott knows that he's
• 48:13
  Speaker 22: a really good guy. He's a funny, intelligent, engaging bloke,
• 48:18
  Speaker 22: no matter what you think of his politics. So to
• 48:20
  Speaker 22: see him do this doesn't shop me at all. Although
• 48:22
  Speaker 22: I would like to see him get some new ties.
• 48:23
  Speaker 22: I think that's the tie who's wearing We've got elected
• 48:26
  Speaker 22: as prime minister and it's the same bloody tie was
• 48:28
  Speaker 22: wearing when he left the lodge.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: So you know, we'll work on the wardrobe and good guy,
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: and there's the Julia Gillard tie. Don't start now and
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: all that. Look just quickly talk about stuff that you think.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: I never see Donald Trump now, I was going to
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: get a UFC that's that sort of crazy fighting kaper
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: on the lawns of the White House.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Here's the UFC boss.
• 48:47
  Speaker 23: There is talk of a July fourth, go ahead fight
• 48:51
  Speaker 23: America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday. Next summer, we're at
• 48:56
  Speaker 23: the White House, a pretty big venue.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Is that going to happen?
• 48:59
  Speaker 19: Daniel?
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: What can you tell us?
• 49:00
  Speaker 13: It is definitely going to happen. Oh, I talked to
• 49:03
  Speaker 13: him last night, him being the president, and I'm flying
• 49:07
  Speaker 13: out there at the end of this month.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:08
  Speaker 13: When he called me and asked me to do it,
• 49:12
  Speaker 13: he said, I want Ivanka in the middle of this.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Good Lord, you've only got ten seconds. You can't use
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: the White House for this? Can you justin?
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: He said it all.
• 49:25
  Speaker 16: I know what, I think, it's great.
• 49:26
  Speaker 19: America's back, baby.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: To tell you what, do they have people to hold
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: up the schoolcards and whatever at UFC? If so, they
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: are to get Sydney Sweetey in for that.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: America will be back thanks to disgrace to the office.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: Justin and Anika will catch you next week.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: That's all the time I've got for you tonight. Lots
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: more of them, Ryan.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: I want to share more of your feedback when it
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: comes to Israel, but I'm out of time for that.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: He's Steve Price with Quedlin