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Jineea Butler | 06-23-26 · Sid & Friends In The Morning

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Speaker 1: People are away schools out and that's when you hold
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Speaker 1: these incredible primaries. But also we're still talking about this
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Speaker 1: crime situation in Chicago and the refusal by Governor Pritsker
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Speaker 1: for any help to stop the carnage of people specifically
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Speaker 1: on the South Side. Joining us right now. An interesting
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Speaker 1: person to talk about this with Jenia Butler, former congressional candidate,
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Speaker 1: Urban expert. Now and Genia, I mean, I'm sorry the
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Speaker 1: south side of Chicago. My family's been there since eighteen forty. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm a seventh generation American, a Jew and chicag German
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Speaker 1: German teen Germans came in the eighteen forties. Really, yeah, yes, yes.
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Speaker 2: Wow, we'd learned stuff all day.
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Speaker 1: And my great great grandfather was a big mobster by
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Speaker 1: the way, his name was Marris Zeller also and then
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Speaker 1: became a politician. So maybe there is your roll over
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Speaker 1: the O the place. But all kidding aside, the south
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Speaker 1: Side has been written off for like one hundred years
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Speaker 1: almost really a really long time. And Genia Butler, uh,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry if I were a mayor or governor of
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Speaker 1: state where there was this kind of carnage, forty people
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Speaker 1: about shot and nine or ten of them passing. I
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Speaker 1: would take any help I could get. This is this
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Speaker 1: has got to be the biggest slap in the face
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Speaker 1: to people who live in these areas.
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Speaker 3: It is, and it's it's a slap in the face
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Speaker 3: to the African American community, you know, the people on
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Speaker 3: the South Side, because they want help, right and it's
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Speaker 3: not happening. And why is it not happening? Somebody doesn't
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Speaker 3: care Somewhere along the lines because the mentality of the people.
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Speaker 3: You know, a lot of the kids are homeless. And
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Speaker 3: you know, when you're in Chicago, you actually go across
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Speaker 3: the train track and then when you go across the
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Speaker 3: train track, it's like horrendous, It's like scary, It's like
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Speaker 3: dark exactly. I was like, oh my god. And so
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Speaker 3: but you know, with Brandon Johnson mayor Brandon Johnson, you know,
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Speaker 3: taking the helm, I think they just try to overlook
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Speaker 3: it because we've already kind of been written off as
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Speaker 3: a community. And I think that this is an underutilized community,
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Speaker 3: and I think that we need to put this community
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Speaker 3: back in the game and start focusing on what they
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Speaker 3: can be instead of just watching them kill each other
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Speaker 3: every weekend.
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Speaker 1: Genia Butler I'll say another thing, no incentive. These jerry
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Speaker 1: mandered by racial categories districts have led to a complete
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Speaker 1: disenfranchisement of most black voters in this country, potential voters.
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Speaker 1: And that is why I've been saying it. I've been
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Speaker 1: saying on this station for a couple of weeks now.
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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court decision knocking down race as a reason
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Speaker 1: to jerrymander a district, I think could be the most
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Speaker 1: liberating thing for black people in this country since the
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Speaker 1: Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four, because suddenly black
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Speaker 1: people will no longer be a foregone conclusion. You have
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Speaker 1: all these people dying in your district. I guarantee you
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Speaker 1: that congressman or woman knows they're going to get reelected
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Speaker 1: live or dying their people living or dying. Suddenly black
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Speaker 1: people are going to become swing voters and a lot
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Speaker 1: of states in this country, hopefully in Chicago too.
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Speaker 3: And we would actually love that. But right now, like
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Speaker 3: you're saying, what's happening is that people are trying to
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Speaker 3: keep jobs, right, so they are just looking to you know,
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Speaker 3: be you know the congressman in that black seat, right,
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Speaker 3: you know you got mad at Trump for saying black jobs.
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Speaker 3: But then as soon as you took away a black seat, right,
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Speaker 3: it was something totally different in the in the whole conversation.
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Speaker 3: But yes, we need we there needs to be an
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Speaker 3: urban reset across the board, and we need to look
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Speaker 3: at and be able to be open to something that's
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Speaker 3: it's just not working. You know, the Congressional Black Caucus
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Speaker 3: when it started, I think that it started for the
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Speaker 3: right reasons and the right things. But now the people
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Speaker 3: are being manipulated across the board. You know, the black
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Speaker 3: voter is being manipulated, and they're not even teaching the
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Speaker 3: community what they should be doing, how to organize, how
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Speaker 3: to do anything. So yeah, I think that it's okay.
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Speaker 2: In the black community. The Democrats, the Democratic Party has
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Speaker 2: changed since Barack Obama. And I don't understand why. At
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Speaker 2: number one, before Barack Obama, between Bill Clinton was President
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Speaker 2: of the Democratic President and the Democratics, Democrats loved America.
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Speaker 2: Now post Barack Obama, post Joe Biden, twenty nine was
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Speaker 2: it twenty nine percent? Jake of the Democrats love America?
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Speaker 2: What the heck is going on here?
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Speaker 3: Listen, I'm not a Democrat, but I can say that,
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Speaker 3: you know, there's there's definitely a change. And then again
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Speaker 3: even with Barack, nobody knew that so many people were
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Speaker 3: going to jump out right and go to vote right,
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Speaker 3: and just it was the largest number of people to
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Speaker 3: go to vote. And so that shows you that the
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Speaker 3: people are paying attention right. And I always say that
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Speaker 3: the fact that the people people are disconnected from the
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Speaker 3: voter base is they're somewhat smart. They're saying, you're not
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Speaker 3: engaging me, you're not doing anything. I'm not going to
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Speaker 3: vote right and so but the Democrats have used that
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Speaker 3: now to their advantage. They're not going to get up
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Speaker 3: just as long as they don't go vote for a Republican,
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Speaker 3: we're okay, and we'll keep our jobs. And the few
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Speaker 3: people that do go out and vote, the few people
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Speaker 3: that do support us, will keep our jobs, will stay
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Speaker 3: in power. And it's more about fighting, you know, a
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Speaker 3: black and white fight, than it is changing these communities.
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Speaker 3: And we just need a total urban reset across the board.
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Speaker 2: And the other thing is we're trying to push, you know,
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Speaker 2: especially federal elections, and you ran for Congress and the
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Speaker 2: federal election one one American, one vote versus no illegal voting.
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Speaker 1: And no massive mail in balloting. Please, it's it's not
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Speaker 1: a not a secret ballot. How do we know that? People? Again,
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Speaker 1: it's a long story.
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Speaker 3: Well, and that's because they're starting to realize that the
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Speaker 3: black community may change the party.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: So if the black community wakes up, which we're doing,
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Speaker 3: they're starting to vote Republican. And now who's going to
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Speaker 3: vote Democrat?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 3: Because if the black community comes out of the Democratic Party,
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Speaker 3: Democratic Party will never win again.
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Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned the Congression of Black Caucus and
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Speaker 1: I had experience. I did, I think intern for three
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Speaker 1: years for Congress and Floyd Flake, the former congressman in
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Speaker 1: the Jamaica area of Reverend, he went back to full
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Speaker 1: time running that church. I can tell you the only
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Speaker 1: issues we were pounding were economic and you know, you
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Speaker 1: go to if you go to Jamaica today and you
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Speaker 1: see all these nice stores now in the building up.
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Speaker 1: Thank Floyd Flake because he was what was the committee
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Speaker 1: he wanted to be on? Was it the he wanted
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Speaker 1: to be on the Banking committee? They got pretty high
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Speaker 1: up in the Banking Committee. And his few terms in
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Speaker 1: Congress and then Gregory Meeks is kind of basically in
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Speaker 1: his chosen successor. All these years he's been there. But
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Speaker 1: you got to thank Floyd Flah for that. It was
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Speaker 1: all about economic opportunity, not arguing about some of this
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Speaker 1: other stuff that just didn't have anything to do with anything.
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Speaker 1: You go to this election now here in Harlem and
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Speaker 1: you have one candidate our relationship over day. Oh she
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Speaker 1: is talking about Israel. Yeah, how she hates Israel. What
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Speaker 1: does that have to do with the fact that people
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Speaker 1: want jobs, people want better transportation, and people want the
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Speaker 1: end of shootings in their neighborhoods.
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Speaker 3: Well, I see what's really happening is that people really
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Speaker 3: don't know how to engage this population. They see that
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Speaker 3: this is a population that may be manipulated, right, and
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Speaker 3: so like I worked on Rikers Island homeless services, youth
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Speaker 3: services and understand that this population will do the right things.
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Speaker 3: But now when you have a whole bunch of people
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Speaker 3: who don't know how to engage the population, who don't
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Speaker 3: know what the population want, and don't even care. At
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Speaker 3: the end of the day, they again want the job.
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Speaker 3: They just want to be in like you know, they
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Speaker 3: want to now come in with this socialist mentality and say,
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Speaker 3: oh yeah, this community will take it. Will tell them
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Speaker 3: that We're going to give them free stuff and they'll
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Speaker 3: go along with.
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Speaker 2: You know, Jake.
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Speaker 4: Miss Butler, by the way, thank you for joining us today. Yes,
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Speaker 4: it's very important to note that you have over eight
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Speaker 4: hundred thousand Hispanics in Chicago versus less than eight hundred
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Speaker 4: thousand Blacks in Chicago. So the war on crime isn't
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Speaker 4: just blacks, Okay, it is Hispanics as well. A lot
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Speaker 4: of the immigrants have, you know, after twenty sixteen, flooded
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Speaker 4: into Chicago. So we need to understand that the violence
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Speaker 4: is only going to stop when we our government incarcerates
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Speaker 4: anyone that gets caught with an illegal gun. If you
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Speaker 4: have a mandatory sentence of five years for anyone getting
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Speaker 4: caught with an illegal gun, you will see that crime
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Speaker 4: will drop dramatically, right because all you need to do
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Speaker 4: is get caught with an illegal gun.
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Speaker 5: It doesn't mean that you use the gun, but if
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Speaker 5: you're carrying it, it means that you want to use
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Speaker 5: the gun, and you're going to intend to use the gun.
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Speaker 1: And we've done so. Yeah, but successfully we got rid
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Speaker 1: of it. Two presidents back to back, Clinton and Bush
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Speaker 1: did something very simarent. George W. Bush, instead of going
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Speaker 1: after the physical guns. They focused on the people who
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Speaker 1: they're most likely to have an illegal gun. In fact,
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Speaker 1: George W. Bush increased that budget and there were a
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Speaker 1: bunch of new assistant US attorneys who were hired. A
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Speaker 1: friend of mine was one of them who specifically just
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Speaker 1: went after instead of saying, let's go after the physical gun,
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Speaker 1: which is ridiculous, let's go after the people who are
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Speaker 1: most likely to be criminals using an illegal gun. And
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Speaker 1: it worked. It worked. Fernando's actually Jake listen.
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Speaker 5: In the state of New York, there was one governor
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Speaker 5: that stood up to crime and criminals, and that was
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Speaker 5: George Pataki. Okay, he signed into law that if you
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Speaker 5: get caught with an illegal gun in New York, three
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Speaker 5: year mandatory sentence. And guess what, between him and Juliani,
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Speaker 5: they bought shootings and crime and gun toting criminals. They
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Speaker 5: brought it down to a record low. Now it's way
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Speaker 5: up again. You know, we hear that crime is down
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Speaker 5: in New York, but you know when you hear Falkins
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Speaker 5: getting shot in Harlem, another five getting shot in the Bronx,
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Speaker 5: and this happens daily, you know where is crime?
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Speaker 2: Where? You know?
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Speaker 5: Crime is still there? The use of illegal guns are
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Speaker 5: still there. So in Chicago, you know, the governor there
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Speaker 5: and the mayor there need to allow our president to
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Speaker 5: bring in the National Guard in order to reduce crime.
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Speaker 2: That's the bottom line. You know, Listen, maybe a hire
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Speaker 2: a few extra policemen. The National Guard should not be
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Speaker 2: used unless it's really really emerging, but normal course of business.
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Speaker 2: I think you bring in state troopers, or you bring
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Speaker 2: in you know, law enforcement. The president.
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Speaker 5: John when the President wants to get involved is because
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Speaker 5: it's critical. You know, Trump doesn't want to send guards everywhere. Up.
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Speaker 2: They cleaned up Trump cleaned up what was it, Washington,
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Speaker 2: d C. Orleans. They cleaned up New Orleans. Yes, they
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Speaker 2: cleaned up what was the Tennessee town, Memphis. Yes, So
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Speaker 2: if he cleaned it up there, he can clean up
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Speaker 2: Chicago as well. But you know what it is, you
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Speaker 2: know what it is. It's the minorities that are hurting
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Speaker 2: the Democrats saying we're representing the minorities. They're not. But
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Speaker 2: that's a lot of crime, it is. And the rice.
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Speaker 2: How many black kids have died in Chica for the
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Speaker 2: last three years, I mean.
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Speaker 3: And everybody's just crying about it. Yeah, and you're and
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Speaker 3: you're the people themselves.
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Speaker 2: Are crying about it. I'm crying about it, you know,
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Speaker 2: because I'm the chairman of the police athletically, and I
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Speaker 2: worry about those kids in our inner cities. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I really have a heart for them. You know. When
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Speaker 2: I read Familiar in twenty thirteen, I remember there was
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Speaker 2: a black preacher and I saw him the other day
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Speaker 2: when we did one hundred Black Men, Me, Governor Pattison and.
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Speaker 3: David Dmitrius Carolina.
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Speaker 2: Dom Y Carter did it, and we did the one
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Speaker 2: hundred Black Men thing and that and that preacher was there,
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Speaker 2: went from from Staten Island.
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Speaker 3: Dimitria is Carolina Carolina.
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Speaker 2: No, the minister from South Staten Island.
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Speaker 3: Yes, that's his name, Carolina Carolina realized. Nice man.
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Speaker 2: Nice man. And I remember somebody asking me a question
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Speaker 2: because of Staten Island. Uh, you're you're a Republican liberal, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I said, I worry about the tizzidy in the city.
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Speaker 2: What's your problem.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called being a human being.
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Speaker 2: Being a human being.
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Speaker 1: Genia Butler, former congressional candidate here in New York and
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Speaker 1: an urban expert. I'm gonna give you a couple of
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Speaker 1: statistics and talk about how mixed up we are in
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Speaker 1: this country.
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Speaker 2: We have an additional visitor, yes, and.
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Speaker 1: Judge Weinberg is here as well in the studio to
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Speaker 1: help us with our law and order heavy hitters. But Jania,
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Speaker 1: black people are twelve times more likely to be a
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Speaker 1: victim of a crime. They're also five times more likely
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Speaker 1: to be arrested of it for a crime. But the
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Speaker 1: Democratic Party and the politicians on the left only want
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Speaker 1: to talk about that second statistic. What kind of maniac
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Speaker 1: cares more about the arrest rates than the victimhood rates
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Speaker 1: of their own people. That to me is where things
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Speaker 1: start to get really mixed up.
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Speaker 3: And I think this is a great time for the
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Speaker 3: Republican Party to do a nice outreach, you know, projects
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Speaker 3: on this, because you know, the people want to pull
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Speaker 3: themselves up by their bootstraps, you know. But then you have,
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Speaker 3: you know, the Democratic Party standing over top of them.
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Speaker 3: You better not Those people are races over there, You
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Speaker 3: better not go over there. They want something, They want
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Speaker 3: you to work, they want you to live your life,
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Speaker 3: they want you to be more than you are. And
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Speaker 3: so you have that over you have that over our heads,
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Speaker 3: and it's really hard to get out it's really hard
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Speaker 3: to move and in that way, and they've abused us.
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Speaker 1: Judge Weinberg, starting with Mayor Wagner in this city. Back
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Speaker 1: in the fifties, the Democrats started this incredibly stupid policy
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Speaker 1: of thinking that going soft on crime would help minorities.
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Speaker 1: But again it's the opposite. It's really hurt minorities because
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Speaker 1: they are much more likely the victims of everything from
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Speaker 1: the broken windows to a murder. When you got into
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Speaker 1: the legal system and to the criminal justice system, was
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Speaker 1: that still the philosophy, Oh, we'll help the minorities by
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Speaker 1: pulling the cops off the subways, which of course didn't
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Speaker 1: do that well.
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Speaker 6: When I got to city Hall, when I was the
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Speaker 6: General Council to the City Council, we had a crisis
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Speaker 6: and Mary Dickens, who's the mayor, and the headlines on
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Speaker 6: the tablets where Dave do something? People being killed by
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Speaker 6: drive bys. Guns were prevalent in the street. So Speaker
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Speaker 6: of a loan created something called safe Streets, Safe City,
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Speaker 6: which got more cops on the street, more social workers,
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Speaker 6: more drug counselors, more court officers, more das, more legal
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Speaker 6: aid lawyers, more clerks. So we put that all together
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Speaker 6: to give Giuliani the army.
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Speaker 1: I mean he did defund the police. Judge, I mean,
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Speaker 1: isn't that what I mean? I'm just kidding, but I
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Speaker 1: mean that now from the left were here defund the police.
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Speaker 6: It's ridiculous problems the answer if you want, that's the
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Speaker 6: answer to breakdown civilization has total chaos. You absolutely positively
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Speaker 6: have to have police.
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Speaker 2: Who's doing this, Judge, I mean who in the Democratic
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Speaker 2: Party is doing this?
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Speaker 6: Well, listen, you have the radical fringe that pushes it.
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Speaker 6: The all the so called bear reforms, which are total
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Speaker 6: consumer fraud, were going along with by Speaker Hasty and
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Speaker 6: Stuart Cousins, the majority leader of the Senate, and that
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Speaker 6: caused it a great handicap to law enforcement. The Blasio
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Speaker 6: under stopping frisk, the BRASO had a situation where he
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Speaker 6: could have pe have reversed a very bad decision by
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Speaker 6: the US District Court judge.
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Speaker 2: He didn't. He didn't do it.
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Speaker 6: He yanked that out. So you have a combination of
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Speaker 6: a culture that says, politically, you know, everybody's being arrested
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Speaker 6: because their minorities, rather than focusing on what you focus on,
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Speaker 6: which is the cops. Cops protect everyone. And especially minority communities,
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Speaker 6: because that's where the violence is. So when we talk
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Speaker 6: about arrest records, understand where the crime is. They are
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Speaker 6: the biggest victims of all of the gangs, of the cartels,
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Speaker 6: of the drug dealers, of the guns on the street.
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Speaker 6: It's a stupid mentality. It's self destructive at least to chaos.
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Speaker 1: Ginia Butler, I want to give you the last couple
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Speaker 1: of minutes we have here, and just by starting by
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Speaker 1: asking a question, would the people in these communities welcome
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Speaker 1: more cops? And in the case of places like the
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Speaker 1: South Side of Chicago, would they welcome the national ground.
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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the community organizers. I mean the
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Speaker 1: actual mothers and fathers in these areas.
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Speaker 3: You know, I don't want to say they wouldn't welcome
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Speaker 3: the cops, right. What they're welcome is the opportunity, right,
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Speaker 3: the opportunity to be a part of America, the opportunity
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Speaker 3: to be a part of the American dream. To where
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Speaker 3: is though that they feel like in their communities that
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Speaker 3: they're surviving, right, So they feel like, you know, they
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Speaker 3: got to go out, you know, like in New York
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Speaker 3: and when the summer starts, you know, a lot of
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Speaker 3: shootings happen, and these are the younger kids. So yes,
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Speaker 3: the older people and now even the former gang members
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Speaker 3: are saying, you know, this is not the right way.
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Speaker 3: And I think that it's not so much the police
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Speaker 3: as it is the opportunity to say this is the way,
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Speaker 3: this is the pathway. Let me take your hand. I've
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Speaker 3: had people that have done twenty twenty years in jail
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Speaker 3: for a murder now, you know, working for BRC Bowery
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Speaker 3: Residence Committee as case managers, as you know, real people,
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Speaker 3: by just showing them the way right the way that
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Speaker 3: they're being shown right now, when they're being hovered over
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Speaker 3: and not you know, allowed to see the bigger picture.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's all cops. It's all cops. It's all cops.
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Speaker 3: But I think that if we show them the opportunity,
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Speaker 3: and I just want to express that this is the
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Speaker 3: Republican opportunity for outreach and to utilize this community so
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Speaker 3: we can be strong as America.
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