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Passport To Freedom From Tehran To Triumph From Dr Nizam Missaghi · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 2: How are you Goodcollins?
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  Speaker 1: That would be me. How are you doing today?
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  Speaker 2: Wonderful? I'm doing very well. Thank you for the opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, listen to the piece in your voice.
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  Speaker 1: I can feel your piece. It's not just sounding very peaceful,
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  Speaker 1: but you you are a man of peace, aren't you?
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  Speaker 2: Well? I try Wow.
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  Speaker 1: For listeners who are going to be searching for your book,
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  Speaker 1: Passport to Freedom from Tehran to Triumph, how do you
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  Speaker 1: pronounce your name? Because you know darn Goodenwell, they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna murder your name. Basically, how what
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  Speaker 1: is the best way to say your name so they
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  Speaker 1: get the right book at the right time.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, So my first name is Nizama, last name is Missagi,
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  Speaker 3: and I always say in just the usual spelling, which
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  Speaker 3: throws people off.
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  Speaker 2: But I think that the best thing to.
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  Speaker 3: com and that will land them on the page and
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  Speaker 3: they can order whichever way they is from whatever out
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  Speaker 3: hut that they desire.
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  Speaker 1: I got to tell you something, Doctor, I was on
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  Speaker 1: Alexa last week. We were talking about you, and I
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  Speaker 1: love what she says about you in the way of
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  Speaker 1: how you really put human rights first and that you're
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  Speaker 1: going to be someone who's going to make a difference,
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  Speaker 1: and that you're training a lot of people everywhere use
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  Speaker 1: your voice be somebody that can make a difference. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I was so impressed with how AI technology just really
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  Speaker 1: and they pronounced your name right, which I thought was
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  Speaker 1: just amazing.
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  Speaker 2: There is always hope, right.
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  Speaker 3: So it's the same thing as going to Starbucks and
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  Speaker 3: you tell them your name and when they write it
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  Speaker 3: correctly on the cup, that makes your day.
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  Speaker 1: When it comes to human rights and things that you
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  Speaker 1: have studied as well as put into pages. Is is
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  Speaker 1: it that we're all held accountable or should be held accountable,
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  Speaker 1: because there's too many people right now that are turning
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  Speaker 1: their backs to the most innocent people on the planet sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: So you're right, I think that we need to document
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  Speaker 3: places where human rights are violated. We also need to
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  Speaker 3: account especially governments that are in position of power and
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  Speaker 3: do not give the most basic rights or due process
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  Speaker 3: to their own citizens.
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  Speaker 1: Did anybody come knocking on your door saying I think
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  Speaker 1: it's a great idea. You're writing a book, but we're
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  Speaker 1: going to have to look at it before you release it,
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  Speaker 1: because I mean, you really do give us the real
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  Speaker 1: nitty gritty when it comes to, you know, the freedom
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  Speaker 1: from Tehran to Triumph.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the wonderful thing about living in America.
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  Speaker 3: You get to speak your mind without fear of repercussions.
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  Speaker 1: But that you know, of course, you know, as a
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  Speaker 1: podcaster and as a broadcaster of forty six years, I
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  Speaker 1: do fear that we will lose that right. And I
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  Speaker 1: need people like yourself to be able to say we
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  Speaker 1: do have that right and to motivate the rest of
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  Speaker 1: us to say, yeah, keep stepping forward.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think that rights are safeguarded by the Constitution.
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  Speaker 2: We may be in places where things can be challenged.
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  Speaker 3: And these rights are hard thoughts and hard won, and
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  Speaker 3: so we need to preserve them for the longevity of
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  Speaker 3: our own country here in the US, and also we.
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  Speaker 2: Need to promote it to the rest of the world.
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  Speaker 1: Your books really touched me and inspired me in the
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  Speaker 1: way that you are the perfect example of human potential.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, you saw what you had in front
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  Speaker 1: of you, and you kept pushing yourself to grow forward.
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  Speaker 1: That is something that a lot of people don't have.
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  Speaker 1: They like to give up easily, and you're showing people
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  Speaker 1: there is a path if you just look.
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  Speaker 2: There.
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  Speaker 3: Truly is the contrast between where I came from and
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  Speaker 3: where I ended up cannot be any more stark. And
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  Speaker 3: this is not just about a nation of laws and
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  Speaker 3: rights versus not, which the Islamic Republic ruling Iran currently,
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  Speaker 3: of course is not.
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  Speaker 2: But it's also about the people.
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  Speaker 3: It's about the opportunities that are given to you by
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  Speaker 3: complete strangers who will extend a helping hand, who will
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  Speaker 3: open a door for you, and who will listen to
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  Speaker 3: you and believe your story and believe in you. The
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  Speaker 3: idea that I think is so unique in the US
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  Speaker 3: is that the average person will not look at you
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  Speaker 3: with the eye of suspicion, but will look at you
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  Speaker 3: as another fellow human being. And this cultural difference that
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  Speaker 3: coming from a culture of suspicion in a place like
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  Speaker 3: the Islamic Republic, where every government agency, every person in
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  Speaker 3: a position of power will treat you with suspicion, and
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  Speaker 3: then you come to the US and you see that
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  Speaker 3: people are willing to even at least it give you
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  Speaker 3: the benefit of the doubt makes all the difference as
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  Speaker 3: far as the ability to thrive and flourish and one
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  Speaker 3: day be able to give back to the community that
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  Speaker 3: hosted you with such grace.
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  Speaker 1: I wish you knew how much that you being on
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  Speaker 1: this show is such a blessing, and it's an answer
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  Speaker 1: to a prayer, because doctor, I have been praying for
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  Speaker 1: a long time for all people of this globe, especially
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  Speaker 1: those in war torn areas, and you're giving me that
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  Speaker 1: hope that I can pray for them, that there is
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  Speaker 1: no judgment, that we can work as a generation of
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  Speaker 1: people to really make a difference and passport from freedom
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  Speaker 1: to Tehran to Triumph is that book that says, look
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  Speaker 1: all people, find your faith in all people.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly right. There's no need to be discriminatory.
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  Speaker 3: There's no need to try to draw these artificial lines
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  Speaker 3: and boundaries between us. I think that it's much easier
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  Speaker 3: to build bridges than walls, and it's much easier to
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  Speaker 3: reach out and to understand each other and to have
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  Speaker 3: dialogue rather than create these barriers and these difficulties that
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  Speaker 3: will be the beginning of conflict.
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  Speaker 2: Every conflict begins.
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  Speaker 3: With words before it escalates, and so we have to
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  Speaker 3: be mindful of our words in the same way that
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  Speaker 3: people who speak to us should also be.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, now you bring up a very interesting point there,
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  Speaker 1: because I mean you talk about we should be watching
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  Speaker 1: the words of others. Okay, and right away I'm going
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  Speaker 1: what are you seeing through others? But now I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to ask you what are you hearing through other people's words.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go that route, because if we're listening to other
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  Speaker 1: people's words, is the instigator, that's where we have to
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  Speaker 1: go to see if we can find a solution.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, everything starting with human interactions, to government
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  Speaker 3: interactions to international policy starts with words.
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  Speaker 2: The war of words is always.
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  Speaker 3: The first one before things escalate and become to the
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  Speaker 3: level that we see today with large conflict. So imagine
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  Speaker 3: two people having a relationship and the one says one
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  Speaker 3: thing that slightly by one millimeter moves the needle in
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  Speaker 3: the direction that the other person doesn't like. When it's
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  Speaker 3: not spoken about, when it's not address, it only escalates
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  Speaker 3: over time and creates fractures that one day leads to
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  Speaker 3: the fall of that relationship.
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  Speaker 2: Now take that to.
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  Speaker 3: The Islamic Republic in Iran, where at the time of
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  Speaker 3: the Islamic Revolution where the Ayatola Homani into power, one
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  Speaker 3: of the first things he said was we must wipe
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  Speaker 3: Israel off the map.
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  Speaker 2: This was a word.
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  Speaker 3: That perhaps was meant for internal use, but over time
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  Speaker 3: the words became policy.
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  Speaker 2: It became.
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  Speaker 3: Arming proxies, it became not just a war of words,
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  Speaker 3: but it became a war of action where they intended
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  Speaker 3: to do this such a thing. And so now the
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  Speaker 3: escalation that you see in the Middle East is the
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  Speaker 3: culmination of that forty seven year war that started being waged.
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  Speaker 3: Or you know, let's attack the US embassy, for example,
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  Speaker 3: and that is a form of essentially violating the territorial
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  Speaker 3: integrity of another country. And so when such matters happen,
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  Speaker 3: they have consequences over a long period of time.
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  Speaker 2: Words where well accumulates and so.
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  Speaker 3: Engaging, understanding, trying to contain, trying to see if there
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  Speaker 3: is diplomatic solutions wait and sometimes there.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't, unfortunately, because one side.
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  Speaker 3: Is unwilling to participate in conversations or be held accountable.
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  Speaker 1: Please don't move. We'll be right back with doctor Nizam
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  Speaker 1: Mazogi coming up next. The name of the book is
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  Speaker 1: Passport to Freedom from Tehran to Triumph. We are back
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  Speaker 1: with doctor Nizam Mazogi. Am I wrong in saying that
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  Speaker 1: last night when the President was talking about what he
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  Speaker 1: wanted to do over the next couple of weeks with
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  Speaker 1: the power, you know, the generators and the energy that
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  Speaker 1: people have inside Iran. It didn't sit well with me
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  Speaker 1: because it's like, what are you doing to the innocent people?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, doctor, you're coming from that edge of where
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  Speaker 1: the innocence of the people really are. We don't have
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  Speaker 1: anybody to share these conversations with, but you're at least
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  Speaker 1: starting that conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think that going after infrastructure will certainly hurt
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  Speaker 3: innocent people.
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  Speaker 2: You're talking about a nation of ninety million people.
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  Speaker 3: I do not think that this is the way forward
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  Speaker 3: the conflict. It certainly is not a way to de escalate,
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  Speaker 3: because the retaliatory strikes that could happen on the infrastructure
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  Speaker 3: of other Persian Gulf nations would be equally devastating. There
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  Speaker 3: has to be a way to preserve civilian life, to
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  Speaker 3: try to de escalate and at the same time try
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  Speaker 3: to find a solution for a people that are held
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  Speaker 3: hostage by their own government, as the Islamic Republic holding
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  Speaker 3: Iranians hostage for so long and creating plummeting currency and
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  Speaker 3: lack of opportunity, and creating a pariah state where all
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  Speaker 3: these people are unable to engage with the rest of
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  Speaker 3: the world and they are held hostage as well. So,
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  Speaker 3: while I think that trying to engage with the Islamic
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  Speaker 3: Republic in a way that weekends it and in a
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  Speaker 3: way that leads to significant change in Iran is a
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  Speaker 3: lofty and important goal, going after infrastructure where people have
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  Speaker 3: to pay the hefty price, I think that's a proper
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  Speaker 3: way of addressing this.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 1: This book is coming out at the right time, because
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  Speaker 1: we need this for history so that we as one
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  Speaker 1: preacher once said to me, I've got to see what
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  Speaker 1: the other side is doing. And that's what you do.
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  Speaker 1: You allow us to step inside, because none of us
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  Speaker 1: have been like you, where all of a sudden, a
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  Speaker 1: ticket and a passport is just secretly shared with you,
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  Speaker 1: and somehow, some way you made it to the United States.
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  Speaker 1: But I do fear doctor, what if that door would
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  Speaker 1: not have been open for you? What about the future
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  Speaker 1: people who want to come over here like you did?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I don't think that an entire nation can come
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  Speaker 3: out so that they can pursue opportunity. There has to
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  Speaker 3: be a solution where Iranians within Iran, who love their country,
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  Speaker 3: this is a country that is very rich in culture
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  Speaker 3: and beauty, should be able to be a host to
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  Speaker 3: all of these people who love their nation and wish
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  Speaker 3: to be there. I think that my book has to
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  Speaker 3: do a lot with lived experience of exposing what it
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  Speaker 3: was like to grow up in a system where all
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  Speaker 3: doors are close to you, where you're looked at with
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  Speaker 3: the eye of suspicion, where opportunity is completely taken away
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  Speaker 3: from you, with complete impunity, and where if you try
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  Speaker 3: to challenge the status quo, you could disappear. You could
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  Speaker 3: end up receiving such harsh allegations as waging war against God,
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  Speaker 3: that is a real allegation and a real charge, by
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  Speaker 3: the way, in the Islamic Republic, or being charged with
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  Speaker 3: spreading corruption on Earth.
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  Speaker 2: Or even if you.
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  Speaker 3: Interview with an outlet outside of Iran, with a news outlet,
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  Speaker 3: they could say that you are a spy, or they
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  Speaker 3: could say that you have spoken with enemy nations. And
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  Speaker 3: so they don't need a path forward for these people.
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  Speaker 3: But these are very austry as people.
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  Speaker 2: They are people who are invested in their future.
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  Speaker 3: Who wish to have not only a free Iran, but
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  Speaker 3: wish to engage with the world and wish to live
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  Speaker 3: in that nation they love so much. I always say
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  Speaker 3: I'm a physician, and that was a lifelong dream that
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  Speaker 3: I managed to achieve thanks to the welcoming nature of
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  Speaker 3: the United States. But I also loved the idea of
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  Speaker 3: one day being able to practice medicine and practice my
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  Speaker 3: craft in Persian language with the people in Iran that
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  Speaker 3: would be so happy to see me as their physician.
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  Speaker 3: But that opportunity was taken away from me so mass
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  Speaker 3: immigration will never be the answer, but finding a solution
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  Speaker 3: for these people, who.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, are largely.
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  Speaker 3: Secular, have moved away from this experiment which was failed
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  Speaker 3: called Islamism bringing religion into the affairs of government. They
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  Speaker 3: are done and over with this, the vast majority of
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  Speaker 3: them are, and they really wish to have a democratic,
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  Speaker 3: secular Iran that treats its citizens equally and engages with
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  Speaker 3: the rest of the world, rather than being under the
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  Speaker 3: heavy sanctions of the international community because of the behavior
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  Speaker 3: of the government. They don't wish to have and so
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  Speaker 3: this transition will not only bring freedom to the people
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  Speaker 3: of Iran, but will create stability in the region, in
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  Speaker 3: the Middle East and beyond.
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  Speaker 1: Am I being a spoiled American If I say that
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  Speaker 1: I would love for your nation to be able to
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  Speaker 1: have these places of study where you can be recognized
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  Speaker 1: as the religion that you are studying, because I just
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  Speaker 1: feel like that we are so spoiled in this country. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I think I'll go to church this weekend. Oh, I'll
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  Speaker 1: think I'll change churches. I think I'll do this. I
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  Speaker 1: think I'll do that. You didn't have that right to
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  Speaker 1: be able to bounce around like the Americans do.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I did not. Everything that we did we did
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  Speaker 2: in secret.
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  Speaker 3: I remember we had like you imagine you have Sunday
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  Speaker 3: school in the US, and you don't think twice about
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  Speaker 3: going to Sunday school now, because Fridays were the days
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  Speaker 3: off in Iran, we had Friday school and it was
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  Speaker 3: a time when my parents would sign us up to
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  Speaker 3: go to these things. But there was no church building
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  Speaker 3: or equivalent house of worship where we could do this.
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  Speaker 3: So it was held in people's homes and we were
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  Speaker 3: told to show up at different times. So if the
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  Speaker 3: class were to start at nine am on a Friday morning,
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  Speaker 3: I was told to show up at eight forty five,
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  Speaker 3: somebody else at eight fifty, somebody else at eight fifty five.
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  Speaker 3: And so they said, do not travel in groups, to
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  Speaker 3: not draw attention in.
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  Speaker 2: The neighborhood as to where you're going.
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  Speaker 3: And so these kids would gather in somebody's home quietly,
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  Speaker 3: with the instruction of usually an older teenage woman who
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  Speaker 3: was there to guide us and be our Sunday school teacher,
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  Speaker 3: if you will, And when we left it.
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  Speaker 2: Was the same way. Scatter.
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  Speaker 3: Do not draw attention to yourself, because if one neighbors
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  Speaker 3: an informant. The government authorities could rate that home and
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  Speaker 3: you could all end up in a detention center and
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  Speaker 3: your parents may have to pay hefty prices to release
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  Speaker 3: you just because you got together to pray, to read text,
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  Speaker 3: to have even classes that were just meant for teaching.
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  Speaker 2: You ethics and so, yes, this was life Anyran.
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  Speaker 1: So what is it like for you and your nation
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  Speaker 1: when you've got megachurches such as my church, Elevation Church
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  Speaker 1: that is reaching globally. Are they getting into your nation
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  Speaker 1: to help inspire and to bring forward the peace, the love,
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  Speaker 1: the compassion, the empathy for all people. I would say
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  Speaker 1: that over and over again for all people.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: There is a growing population of Christian converts in Iran
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  Speaker 3: and they are allowed to build churches and they would
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  Speaker 3: have home churches much like how we held Sunday school
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  Speaker 3: classes and homes. And unfortunately, the government does not tolerate
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  Speaker 3: Christian converts. They've had situations where pastors have been arrested
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  Speaker 3: and they have been taken to custody.
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  Speaker 2: Some of them have been in jail for years.
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  Speaker 3: Some of them have had the death sentence that had
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  Speaker 3: been overturned. Nonetheless, such a thing was held over their head.
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  Speaker 3: But if you ask people, is Iran positive towards the
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  Speaker 3: Islamic Republic accepting of Christians, it's a complicated answer because
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  Speaker 3: the Constitution of the Islamic Republic recognizes Christianity as a
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  Speaker 3: religious minority. But the nuance that most people miss is
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  Speaker 3: that they are okay with historic ethnic Christians that have
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  Speaker 3: lived in Iran, such as Assyrians and Armenians, but what
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  Speaker 3: they're not okay with are Christian converts. So, for example,
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  Speaker 3: in central Iran and the city of Isfahan, there is
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  Speaker 3: a beautiful cathedral called the Vunk Cathedral, absolutely stunning.
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  Speaker 2: And it's a tourist destination.
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  Speaker 3: So you would have tourists go and see this beautiful
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  Speaker 3: church and see mass on Sundays and say, this is incredible. Look,
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  Speaker 3: Iran is such an accepting place. But what they don't
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  Speaker 3: realize is that these are for ethnic Christians who have
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  Speaker 3: lived in that nation for centuries. If you get Christian converts,
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  Speaker 3: because majority of them have left Islam to become Christians,
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  Speaker 3: and is codified into the Islamic Republic constitution that apostasy
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  Speaker 3: can be punishable by death, they will pursue them and
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  Speaker 3: they will take these people and make an example of them.
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  Speaker 3: So other people will think twice before they embrace Christianity
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  Speaker 3: as their faith.
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  Speaker 1: Where can we go to find out more about you
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  Speaker 1: and to learn about your growing forward with everything that
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  Speaker 1: you share inside Passport to Free From Tehran to Triumph.
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  Speaker 3: The Passport to freedombook dot com is a landing page
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  Speaker 3: that says a little bit about my biography, who I am.
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  Speaker 3: It also says something about the book itself and what
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  Speaker 3: was the inspiration behind it. My mother was a physician.
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  Speaker 3: She was an inspiration. I have three sons that I
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  Speaker 3: dedicated the book to. But it also talks a little
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  Speaker 3: bit about what the book is about, and it allows
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  Speaker 3: people and links them to pre ordering. The book is
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  Speaker 3: expected to be released on September twenty second and through
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  Speaker 3: all outlets, and so I would be honored if any
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  Speaker 3: of your audience would love to see the book and
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  Speaker 3: review it and see if it gives them any insights
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: or any hopefully inspiration at the end of it. In
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: my opinion, the book is a testament to the American dream,
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  Speaker 3: and it's a testament to Emma Lazarus's great Colossus. The
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  Speaker 3: inscription at the base of the Statue of Liberty, where.
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  Speaker 2: She says, give me your huddled masses.
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  Speaker 3: Give me your poor, and the one thing that she
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  Speaker 3: says that resonated with me is.
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  Speaker 2: Give me your wretched refuse. We were the wretched refuse.
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  Speaker 3: We were the people that the Islamic Republic did not want,
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  Speaker 3: and they told us, in no uncertain terms, to.
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  Speaker 2: Beat it, to get out of here and disappear. We did.
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  Speaker 3: We were received by the teeming shores in the US,
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  Speaker 3: and we thrived, we grew, but we never forgot when
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  Speaker 3: we always stood for the rest of us who stayed
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  Speaker 3: back and who did not have the same opportunities.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Wow, you've got to come back to this show anytime
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  Speaker 1: in the future. The door is always going to be
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  Speaker 1: open for you. Doctor.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely same to you, and thank you for the opportunity.