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LIVE from The NFL Combine, Howie Roseman stops by, News from the day · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The volume. What is up everybody? How are we doing?
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  Speaker 2: John Middlecoff three in our podcast live here from Indianapolis,
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: where it was freezing. You know what, when I got
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  Speaker 2: off the plane last night was like seventeen degrees. But
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: we have been inside all day. We've been rubbing elbows,
• 0:30
  Speaker 2: we've been shaking hands. I got Ben Johnson to smile,
• 0:33
  Speaker 2: Sala wants to play golf with me. We got a
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  Speaker 2: couple GMS. Well Veitch was supposed to come on and
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: then he pulled a Barry Sanders move on me and
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  Speaker 2: never saw him again. He was gone, so don't blame
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  Speaker 2: him yet other stuff to do. But I did get
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  Speaker 2: two guys, Howie Roseman. We will play that today now,
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  Speaker 2: we'll probably open the show with that. And I had
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  Speaker 2: him for like seven eight minutes. You know, these guys
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  Speaker 2: are running, and then I got Jackson here with me.
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: We're gonna go through all the breaking news. I haven't
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  Speaker 2: really been online because you're just kind of running around
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  Speaker 2: this place, and we're just gonna go through some of
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  Speaker 2: the big headlines today. React to that, and that'll be
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  Speaker 2: the game plan. And then tomorrow I talk to John Schneider,
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  Speaker 2: Well Schneider on and probably do something similar with the
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  Speaker 2: Newsy stuff and we'll grab other people that are walking
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  Speaker 2: around and see what's going on. But we're live from
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  Speaker 2: the combine for the next couple of days. See if
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  Speaker 2: I get more sleep than I normally would. But a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people want to go get cocktails a night
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: out on the town that are you know, working in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL, and that's where you get the good gossip
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  Speaker 2: that I kind of give back on this podcast without
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  Speaker 2: quite telling what I know, but I kind of know
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  Speaker 2: and it makes for good content. So that will be
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  Speaker 2: the game plan over the course of the next week.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, so let's you guys know the drill. Subscribe
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  Speaker 2: to the podcast wherever you listen Apple Spotify all of
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  Speaker 2: our videos, the interview with Howie, the interview with John,
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  Speaker 2: this podcast, they're up on up on Netflix to go
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  Speaker 2: check that as well. Appreciate everyone that has Let's just
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  Speaker 2: uh's just dive right into a two time Super Bowl
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  Speaker 2: champ Hi Roseman. Okay, I have my former boss here,
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  Speaker 2: multiple times super Bowl champion. I'd say future Hall of Famer,
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  Speaker 2: but after Belichick, you never know. Uh Hwy Roseman, Howie,
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  Speaker 2: uh Dave Dombrowski, Yeah, I saw he said something recently
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  Speaker 2: made some pretty big headlines.
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  Speaker 1: Do you want to pull Dave Dombrowski right now? No?
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  Speaker 3: I mean Dave dem Browski is a Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 3: general manager and unbelievable GM. So I would do anything
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  Speaker 3: that Dave did, and I think that's the right thing
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  Speaker 3: to do. But I think where you're going with this
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  Speaker 3: is more a negative connotation.
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  Speaker 4: With which he doesn't deserve.
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  Speaker 3: Don't deserve because he is a great GM, a great person,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, I do miss having you man. You
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  Speaker 3: know he was John. You were a good scout.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 3: You were a good scout. You had a lot of passion.
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  Speaker 3: I think we should tell your viewers you know how
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  Speaker 3: you were. You were persistent. You know, you would not
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  Speaker 3: hesitate to come to my office and tell me what
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  Speaker 3: you thought. You were not meek, I'm.
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  Speaker 1: An aggressive human. Were same. We're on Netflix. Same same.
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  Speaker 3: We're on Netflix right now.
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  Speaker 1: Well not live technically, but we will be in the
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  Speaker 1: next day or two.
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  Speaker 3: So just interviews on Netflix.
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  Speaker 2: No, my whole podcast on Netflix. Really yeah, so we
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  Speaker 2: did that official like a month ago, so it's just everything.
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  Speaker 3: What does that go for?
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  Speaker 1: That deal? Pretty good?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I wouldn't say you know, like a quarterback money.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean it's pretty solid guard. Yeah. Well maybe
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  Speaker 1: the way the economics are now in the league, it.
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  Speaker 3: Sounds it sounds like better than GM money.
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  Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't say that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what. Jeez, we should be getting into
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  Speaker 3: the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: What combine is this for you?
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  Speaker 3: Twenty six?
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, get old.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm not old.
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  Speaker 1: No I said, I could think I'm old at all.
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  Speaker 3: Actually I think I'm looking pretty good. You know, I'm good, Thanks, buddy.
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  Speaker 3: It's part of what we got to do right. We
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  Speaker 3: want to meet the players. We want to get to
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  Speaker 3: know them as well as possible so we can make
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  Speaker 3: good decisions. It gives an opportunity to see people you
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  Speaker 3: don't see all year for sure, which is huge, and
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  Speaker 3: it really completes the process because you're looking at the tape,
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  Speaker 3: you're getting the numbers that match the tape, hopefully, you're
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  Speaker 3: getting to interview guys, and you're getting the medical and
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  Speaker 3: you need all four pieces of that information to make
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  Speaker 3: good decisions.
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  Speaker 2: One thing I remember is every team we'd play, you'd
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  Speaker 2: watch the free agents, and then throughout the year you'd
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  Speaker 2: watch the different draft guys.
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  Speaker 1: Your role is obviously I'm sure changed a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Are you still able to come into this all the
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  Speaker 2: free agents and the draft guys?
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  Speaker 1: Is it the same as ten years ago?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say I'm probably more draft than I
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  Speaker 3: am free agents. I start watching the draft guys when
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  Speaker 3: we report back to camp training camp in July, because
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  Speaker 3: really you're thinking about it. We got one practice, we
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  Speaker 3: watched the practice, and then we're around the right we're
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  Speaker 3: around the rest of the day, and so it gives
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  Speaker 3: a great chance to kind of start the draft process
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  Speaker 3: in July and August and really figure out throughout the
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  Speaker 3: course of the season the guys that you like because
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  Speaker 3: they don't change that much over junior tape or sometimes,
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  Speaker 3: you know, even sophomore tape. And then with free agency,
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  Speaker 3: you know, if you draft well and you develop your
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  Speaker 3: players and you resign them, you should really be targeting
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  Speaker 3: free agency. So you can really do that in a
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  Speaker 3: more targeted way. But the draft, you got to know
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  Speaker 3: every player in the draft, and really that's been a
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  Speaker 3: huge key to our success.
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  Speaker 2: So, like you said, target free agency, I mean everyone
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  Speaker 2: does that. I know how you guys operate. So you
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  Speaker 2: come here, what would you say that number is of
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  Speaker 2: guys you're speyc like less than ten, right of.
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  Speaker 3: In terms of free agency. Yeah, yeah, I think what
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  Speaker 3: we where we are as a team right now, you
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  Speaker 3: know where really we have a lot of players on
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  Speaker 3: our rosher who are going into their second contract, whether
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  Speaker 3: it's this year, next year, or third year. And you
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  Speaker 3: can look on defense, you know, we draft a lot
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  Speaker 3: of defensive guys and guys who played at a high level.
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  Speaker 3: And so you'd really rather retain your own guys, the
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  Speaker 3: guys that you know that you've lived with, and then
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  Speaker 3: periodically dip into free agency, and obviously, you know, when
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  Speaker 3: you can do that, get some bang for your buck.
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  Speaker 3: And if you're letting your guys go, you're getting more picks,
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  Speaker 3: which means you have to be even more tight on
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  Speaker 3: your draft. And I think that's exciting, you know, like
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  Speaker 3: you have this core base of players that are eagle
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  Speaker 3: players that are on their second contracts, and you're adding
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  Speaker 3: onto it, and you're adding on to it, and you're
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  Speaker 3: adding on to it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I was thinking, you know, Brandon Graham retired,
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  Speaker 2: I know he came back, Lane's getting older, Kelsey retired,
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  Speaker 2: Fletcher retiring, Like that's.
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  Speaker 1: A core group of like hall of famers.
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  Speaker 3: Your role for those four guys, So how do you
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  Speaker 3: replace that? Well, I think that those four guys were
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  Speaker 3: special guys, you know, and those guys were with me
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  Speaker 3: really through a lot of ups and downs. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: you lost Kelsey, you lost Fletch, you lost BG, came
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  Speaker 3: back and now you have Lane and so you got
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  Speaker 3: to replace them with great players and great people. And
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  Speaker 3: I think that we've done that. You know, you look
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  Speaker 3: at the players on our team who can make game
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  Speaker 3: change of plays, who I think have potential to be
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  Speaker 3: Eagles Hall of Famers, maybe NFL Hall of Famers, and
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  Speaker 3: that's important. You have to have difference makers on your roster.
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  Speaker 3: You know, those are the guys that really show up
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  Speaker 3: when you're talking about big games, you're talking about late
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  Speaker 3: in the year, and so we're trying to have as
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  Speaker 3: many difference makers as we possibly can within the confines
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  Speaker 3: of the system that we work in.
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  Speaker 1: I know, you got to run, So I did. I've
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  Speaker 1: been thinking about this for a couple of days.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you got You got me.
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  Speaker 2: The league when I was with you was much more
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  Speaker 2: old school in terms of trades. You know, there were
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  Speaker 2: a couple but you were kind of on the forefront
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  Speaker 2: of that baseball bat.
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  Speaker 1: I mean your friends at least baseball and basketball. GM.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, but now you look around a lot of your
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  Speaker 2: peers or like wheeling and dealing. So is the league
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  Speaker 2: easier for you that more people are willing to talk
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  Speaker 2: or harder because more people are bidding for stuff that
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  Speaker 2: you were like, we don't even need to bid as
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  Speaker 2: much because we don't have sevent teams.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't thought about it like that, you know. I
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  Speaker 3: think for me, it's constantly finding the edges. It's constantly evolving,
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  Speaker 3: you know, as a GM, constantly trying to figure out
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  Speaker 3: the areas that you can improve on, the areas that
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  Speaker 3: maybe you can find value in. And that's what I
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  Speaker 3: love about this, you know, it's just it's a humbling league.
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  Speaker 3: And for me, when you see that there are areas
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  Speaker 3: that you can continue to grow, that you can continue
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  Speaker 3: to develop, and that you can't just keep doing the
• 8:04
  Speaker 3: same things and expect the same results, it keeps you
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  Speaker 3: on your toes. I love what we do, and I
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  Speaker 3: think that when you have passion for something and you're
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  Speaker 3: trying to find ways to improve, you know, it gives
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  Speaker 3: you a chance to compet a.
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  Speaker 1: Good GM talk right there.
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  Speaker 2: But what's the area that you're going to attack right
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  Speaker 2: now that no one knows about?
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  Speaker 3: Hi, Howry Roseman, John, Nice to meet you. You think I'm
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  Speaker 3: telling you that?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we can.
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  Speaker 2: We got a standing tea time, Robert Sala Arizona owners meetings.
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  Speaker 3: Do you want to Well, you got one kid, I
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  Speaker 3: have four.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna be at the owners meetings. He'll be back
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  Speaker 1: at home.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I was hoping more that you were going to
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  Speaker 3: give me your Remember when you go on the road
• 8:40
  Speaker 3: and I tell what I tell you, give me a
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  Speaker 3: restaurant in the city I am, and then I'm gonna
• 8:44
  Speaker 3: judge you for your evaluation of the food.
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  Speaker 2: I go Dominic's the steakhouse, so you've probably eaten there before.
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  Speaker 2: I would say the mast.
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  Speaker 3: Doing you're doing this on on your podcast.
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  Speaker 1: You know you're gonna there. That's pretty good. Yeah, that's good. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I would say, dominance, call.
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  Speaker 3: You up to get me a reservation because I know
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  Speaker 3: you got ends with all those people. Yeah. Good to
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  Speaker 3: see you, brother, Good to see you, Ali, Thanks for
• 9:07
  Speaker 3: having us you.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's fire over to uh To. Some thoughts from
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  Speaker 2: the day from me and Jackson.
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• 11:16
  Speaker 2: killed it today. I laid it on the line, man.
• 11:20
  Speaker 4: I just gotta ask for a podcaster like yourself full time.
• 11:24
  Speaker 4: You had a baby, you haven't been out of the
• 11:25
  Speaker 4: house in a while. How does it feel talking to
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  Speaker 4: that many people today? The social reel, we're about to
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  Speaker 4: post the faces in the hands that you shook today.
• 11:34
  Speaker 4: The program's got to be proud.
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: I did get out on Saturday and played some golf.
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  Speaker 2: And it turned out it was a legendary meltdown eighty
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  Speaker 2: nine that he was having. No, not me, Oh, of course,
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking the kid. Right before I was leaving, she
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, go enjoy yourself, and two times at
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  Speaker 2: one and right around like eleven thirty loudest screams and
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: cries he's ever had. And it went all the way
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: till I left on like that.
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  Speaker 1: I could. I guess he calmed down when I came back.
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  Speaker 1: It was bad. So, you know, getting here, trying to
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: integrate back.
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  Speaker 2: Into society, and my little man's doing well. Maybe it's
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: just me, you know, that brings bad juice to him.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, you just you gotta do what you gotta do.
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of uh, I'll do whatever for the show,
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: that's like, and I won't for most things in life,
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: but when it comes to the podcast, very passionate and
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: it's my life, so I do things again.
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: I like introduce myself to Robert Sala and Ben Johnson.
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: I've met Sala before, but Ben Johnson, he was He
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: had mentioned that Colin he thought he saw coward at
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: a restaurant, and then I made a joke that if
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: Colin would have seen him. They would, you know, Colin
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: would have ran over to him and talked to offense
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: and I got Ben laughing. So it was, uh, you
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: met John Harball too, met John Horrible. I'd met him
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: briefly a long time ago. But these guys, these guys
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: meet so many people. If you don't know them, they
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: never remember you. She's got to introduce yourself. I introduced
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  Speaker 2: myself to every single person, and half these people I'm
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: not even talking like coaches. I'm talking like media people
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  Speaker 2: like Tom Pellsorrow. I've known it for like fifteen years.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, bro, why'd you introduce your stuff? I'm just like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just in the habit of like hey, John Middlecof.
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: You know, so you're like, hey John Middlecof. That's the
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: type networking thing. Like I'm not in these events. A
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: lot of people listening to this, which I respect the
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: hell out of you that are in sales, that go
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: to these conventions, Like you're used to doing this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: When you get out of that world, you kind of
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: maybe you kind of come back into it and you
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: don't even care, so you're just kind of you're just ruthless.
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  Speaker 1: But if you do it a lot I can see
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: where it would drive you nuts.
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  Speaker 2: Your social battery can just my social batteries Again, I'm
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  Speaker 2: talking to people that I would.
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  Speaker 1: Want to talk to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's takes a lot of energy. And I
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  Speaker 2: haven't eaten, hopefully lost like five pounds because I'm kind
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  Speaker 2: of fat. And uh yeah, just rocking and rolling.
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  Speaker 1: At least ten thousand steps today.
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  Speaker 2: So what uh I mean part of today? You know,
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: you me people in this business, we kind of like
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  Speaker 2: fall stories. You kind of lose track of things, and
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: so much is happening, so much is fire, and so
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  Speaker 2: what I thought, Let's get Jackson, get the top stories
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  Speaker 2: of the you rattle them off, and I'll just react
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  Speaker 2: to what's going on.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's start with the top one. This one happened
• 14:05
  Speaker 4: later in the day. Five time All Pro left tackle
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  Speaker 4: Trent Williams schedule to carry a thirty nine million dollars
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: cap number this season. He and the forty nine ers
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  Speaker 4: are struggling to agree on a compensation a solution. If
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  Speaker 4: the two sides can't bridge their differences in the standoff,
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  Speaker 4: Williams would be expected to join this year's free agent class.
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  Speaker 4: According to Adam Schefter, it's not an offseason without a
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  Speaker 4: forty nine er being a little angry about some extra money.
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  Speaker 2: Mister Middlecoff, Well, their offensive line is not good, and
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: he's one of the greatest offensive linemen of all time,
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: and he loves his money. Now what makes us We're
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: recording this before John Lynch is talking like midnight, I'm like,
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not waiting for John Lynch stock And I'm sure
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: he'll say, like we plan on figuring it out, that
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  Speaker 2: they don't want to cut Trent Williams. No, but Trent
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  Speaker 2: only has so many years left. He sees these young
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  Speaker 2: offensive tackles get paid thirty thirty five million dollars and
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: I don't even blame him, Like he's got leverage in
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: the sense of, like, I'm one of the greatest players
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: of all time. I'm by far the best offensive lineman
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: on this team. You could argue I'm the best player
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: on this offense. You know it, technically it was Kittle,
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: but he's got a twenty achilles. You know, McCaffrey's didn't
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: quite look the same this year. Now Trent's older too,
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean, this is the part of dealing
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: with older players is like every year Trent wants a race,
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: which not ideal to do business that way. But if
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: you're Trent, like I kind of understand it, like he
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: how many years has got left? So you got to
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: take advantage of it. An extra ten million dollars. Trentzon
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: dummy like when he's retired and like forty three, they're
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: probably many jobs paying him like that thirty million. You
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: gotta strike when the iron's hot and his iron is
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: still hot because the Niners need him, they love them.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's a Kyle's guy. You just can't cut
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Trent Williams.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: So it's like the story's cool and I understand it,
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: like they're probably angry at each other. Maybe Trent wants
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: that out, but I'll promise you this, I would be beside.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: Like josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Mahomes.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: I would put him in like the top ten list
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: of like forty nine ers cut Trent Williams, I like,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: wouldn't believe you.
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: Does this ponder of the fact they drafted twenty seventh
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: Obviously they probably need receiver help with how deepest receiver
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: class is. Does the left tackle come to the brain
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: of John Lynch even to the left tackle slim forty.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Nine ers don't draft offensive linement. They've done it like mcglinchy.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: When they first got there. They got very lucky that
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Trent loves Kyle. When Trent retired for like a year
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: then came back, it's like, I'm never playing for the Commanders.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: They were the Redskins or the football team at the time.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: I can't keep up, but was like, I'm not playing
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: here again. They're like, okay, So the forty nine ers
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Joe Staley just retired, offered a third round pick.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: The Vikings offered more.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Money and a second round pick with Trent's like, I'm
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: only playing in San Francisco. So this whole thing now,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: they deserve credit because Kyle and his dad drafted him,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: so they love like they were close.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they got lucky the way it all played out.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: But there's no like most Josh Simmons last year who
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: got drafted by the Chiefs. Remember he was injured, like
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: usually guys like that aren't sitting there in.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: The late twenties, early thirties.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: So the forty nine ers, once upon a time, I
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: think to Joe Staley, like twenty seven or twenty eight,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: he was a converted tight end like small I think
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: he was like Western Michigan or one of that, and
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: obviously it was like seven to six time Pro Bowl
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: or excellent pick. Most of your top tackles aren't like
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Jordan Mylotta, the seventh round rugby player. You know, they're
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: usually Lane Johnson, Trent Williams, Joe Walt, like you usually
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: drafted I So Slater of the Chargers. You know, you
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: guys had who's your tackle with you had forever in
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Arizona was drafted first round.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: Right, Paris Johnson, DJ Humphries round where those guys draft
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: first round? Yeah, so it's usually high.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think it's I think it becomes like
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: a difficult proposition of you just gotta pay him, but
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: you it's weird because you're like, I don't love paying
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: a thirty eight year old giving him like guaranteeing them
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: like fifty million dollars. But again, this is where Trent
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: has them by the balls. Like if this is a
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: negotiation tactic, Trent Williams got the leverage cut me it
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: is it a two year deal?
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: He wants a three year deal. He just wants money
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: guaranteed in a lot.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: So I don't think it's about like five years I
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: just the top guy's making thirty five. I want guaranteed
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of money. And I think that's been his
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: consistent theme. I gotta be the highest paid guy, or
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: I gotta be one of the highest paid guy, and
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: you just naturally when you don't sign read a new
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: deal in a couple of years, it kind of dips.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: So but that's the part of like he ain't alone,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Like that story got out. There's maybe not as like
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: future Hall of famers, but there are pro bowlers all
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: around the league right now that want a race.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Said it forever.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Money's all relative whether you make thirty grand a year
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: or whether you make thirty million dollars a year. That
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: money is relative to your life and relative to what
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: you do for a living and how you judge yourself
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: against your peers. And in football, you know how much
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: all your peers make. It would be no different if
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: instead of thirty million dollars a year, the number was three.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Hundred grand a year.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Players would want three hundred twenty grand, like he wants
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: thirty two, whatever the number is.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: So I just think it's like, this is.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Football, and what makes football different basketball and baseball is
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: like the contracts are all.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Kind of fake. It's like, well trents od what, it's
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: all kind of funny money. Yeah, he knows.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Speaking of guarantees, something that the Eagles head coach Nick
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: Sirianni can't guarantee is that AJ Brown will be back
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: for the Eagles this season. Now, Eagles general manager Howie
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Roseman comment about AJ Brown and said it's hard to
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: improve by subtracting great players.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: So you got.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: Sirianni that says he can't guarantee anything. You got Roseman
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: that it's hard to improve when you subtract great players.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: Thoughts on that and what's gonna happen with AJ Brown,
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: who I thought, like a couple of weeks ago it
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: might be hard to trade for.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Him because he's like a little older, but he's not
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: that always like twenty eight twenty nine makes a lot
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: of money.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I'm I don't think that's I was wrong.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I actually think it would be pretty easy for them
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: to trade him. They definitely get a second round pick,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: but you know, you know, putting my ear to the
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: ground talking to some people, they're not just gonna give
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: him away for like pick fifty. I don't think, like,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're desperate to give him away, like
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: I thought, like people on the outside think, so could
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: they get the Patriots' thirty first pick or something like
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: that if they would have to think about it.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: But I don't think.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I originally thought he was gonna be somewhat of a
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: bargain if a team was willing to take a salary,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: maybe give him extension. I don't think Eagles is just
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: gonna hand him off. So my guess would be we're
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: gonna see a lot of different stories come out about
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: like the conference, like Eagles want more. I think that's
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: gonna be a lot Eagles want more. Okay, second, I
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: want your second this year, your second next year. Like,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I think he's gonna ask for a lot because I
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: don't have to give him away.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Do you think the Raiders that I'm going to have
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: the second round thirty six or Giants at thirty seven
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: would get one of those or is that too valuable
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: on their end where they're trying to get things going.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I think for the Raiders, I don't that would be.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I think you gotta use that. It's like you gotta
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: get some linemen. Yeah, they've done that.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Remember they traded for DeVante Adams and it blew up
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: in their face. I I do not think the Raiders
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: can be in that business. I mean a lot of
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: people think that Max Crosby mean, I might not even
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: get traded. So if you're gonna keep Max Crosby, could
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: you entertain bringing a J. Brown to go with Fernanda Mendoza,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: but then your offensive line sucks? Yeah, I mean I
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: would say the Giants would be a team that would
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: sniff around. But Kwie Roseman gonna trade him to John
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Harbaugh and the New York Giants that.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: There always forget about.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: There are certain trades like Veach would love to get
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Max Crosby, but that's it's a non starter. Remember how
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: he was like sniffing around Micah Parsons last year, was
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: like it just doesn't happen, which I understand.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: You.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: You cannot to me trade superstar players. They'd have to
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: give you, like you know, of value on an individual
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: to make it worth it.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Speaking of star players, John spy Tech was asked today
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: about star defensive end Max Crosby and he expects him
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: to play in twenty twenty six. Amid the trade speculation,
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's typical GM talk. I'm assuming the fact
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: that he's gonna probably go out and at least hear
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: from the outside noise. What are your thoughts on on
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: spy Tech in the whole.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Say it again, I wasn't really listening. We're in a
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: days right now. You bet he's since like nine text
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: from my wife and I couldn't tell it, but it
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: was stupid.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: Spy Tech expects Crosby basically be on the team this
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: next year amid the trade talk.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: That's kind of what you expect him to say, right Yeah.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I think he's got to say that now, and I
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: think he does believe like he does want it to
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: work out. I was talking to someone and I'm in
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: total agreement, Like Max Crosby is everything you'd want in
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: a high end player. He's a great player, plays his
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: ass off, He'll play injured. He is now like married kid,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: a sober for years. You don't have to worry about
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: any of that crap. He's in the facility constantly. He's
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: an all in guy. Like to me, I think the
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: more quote unquote all in guys you can have like
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: part of the forty nine ers.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: They had no business being that good this year, but.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: They got a lot of all in guys like George
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Kittle's all his feet like he ain't jumping out the boat,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: you know. McCaffrey's like that, Fred Warner's like that. Max
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Crosby is wired like dudes that would play for the Chiefs,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Dudes that would play for the New England Patriot. Brady Belt, like,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: that's who you want. So to me, I mean, I'm
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: asking for a lot now. I would trade him because
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I do think it's time to kind of blow it
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: up start over. But like when I hear you know
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: you're not gonna get as much of Michael Parsons, then
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: you're not getting Max Crosby, And I know you want
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Max Crosby's under contract. One thing I heard is, like
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: the injuries. He's been injured the last couple of years
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: at the end of the season, but even this year
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: he could have kept playing. It's not like there's one
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: thing if you're injured and you, oh, he only played
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: seven games. He plays in games. So I think you
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: get two first round picks for him. And I think
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: if you get two first round picks for him, if
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: you're the Raiders, I think you got to think about it.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: The problem I been he's saying is like, then we
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: get Fernando on this awful team, our defense is worse.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Even if we draft offensive lineman, they're young, It's probably
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: gonna be a long year.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: No matter what. I'm a spy tech fan. I'm rooting
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: for this raider operating.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I like Fernando Mendoza but eventually got to pull off
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: the band aid, and he is How often you get
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: guys twenty eight, twenty nine with the lead value like
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Miles Garrett was rare last year.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: He was like over thirty.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: It was like the whole league would have traded two
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: first round picks and two second round picks for him.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Pretty rare, right, And he's but he's like one of
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: the great talents of all time. Max isn't as talented
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: as Miles, but like.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Miles, like shows up late to meetings and shit, but
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: no one cares. He's so good. He's kind of like
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: an NBA player.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Where Max is more wired like an NFL guy, like
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: an all in guy or just I guess there are
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: a lot of drama guys in the NFL too, but
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: you don't. There's not much drama there, so to me,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I think you would get You know, Mike is a
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: better player because he's younger, but he also cost them
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty eight million dollars. Max doesn't cost
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: you anything because he's already under contract at a relatively
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: low number.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: You just have to give the draft capital. So I
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: think I think there are gonna be a lot of
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: stories about offers.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people are gonna come
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: in like we'll give you a first and a second,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: and I think they're gonna get nos. But I do
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: think they'll end up getting a two ones and a
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: player or something.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Well, you spoke to.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: Howie Roseman, John Schneider Eagle Seahawks rumored to be with
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: some of those teams to go after Max, Crosby and
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Bears two. Do you kind of expect them to be
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: more of an NFC team or you think it's kind
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: of like we're gonna open the book to anybody, even
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: the AFC itself. But if I'm spy Tech, I'm apparently
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: what he said, and he's gonna try to keep him
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: and kind of get that leader moving forward in this
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: new regime with Koobiak, I think.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Two teams that would want him would be the Chiefs
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: and the Chargers. They ain't trade him there. No, I'm
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: sure Denver be interested too, so like three of the
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: teams I don't know, The Chiefs didn't make the playoffs
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: this year, but like Denver charged playoff teams, Chiefs five
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: last six Super bowls. Those are like three of the
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: best teams in the AFC that aren't even available because
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: they would never even they were not even talking. The
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Bills would be an interesting team Raven's new coach.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know so.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: But but Matt Naggie's first year with the with the Bears,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: they traded for Khalil Mack.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: So a lot of teams will be sniffing around like
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the Bengals. Why wouldn't they be all over them? Oh
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: my gosh, that'd be a great thing.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: The NFC teams make more sense, Niners, Rams, Bears, Lions, Eagles, Seattle,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: like all the heavy hitters would be interested in them.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: When's the last time the Bengals been a big trade?
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah they won't. They're cheap, No chance.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Texas GM Nick Casserio called trade speculation about his quarterback
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: CJ Stroud moronic and insisted the team is not trading CJ.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Is there trade speculation? Is that out there? I guess well.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I think part of it is he's going into his
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: fourth year, so they'll pick up his fifth year option.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: His agent is Mulgeta, the heavy hitter. They like getting
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: their guys paid. But it's like you don't have as
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: much juice right now, like you're not gonna get a
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: big quarterback contract. And we've been talking about this of
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: like if you pay Josh Allen, if you pay Lamar,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: if you pay Patrick, it's like, okay, well once you
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: like CJ. Shroud has proven like he's in like the
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: dak Her cousins. When he's good and he you know,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: he's kind of been hit or miss, like he's had
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: some Tua Kyler. You get in a weird spot when
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: you pay the wrong guy the crazy amount of money.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: So to me, the move's easy. We're not trading CJ. Shroud.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: But he's also just gonna be on his rookie contract.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: He was the second pick in the draft, so he
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: ain't making pretty money.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: He's making millions of.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Dollars and it'll be all started quarterback nature, and if
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: he crushes it, we'll gi himwo hundred million dollars.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: But if he doesn't, I would say next year would
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: be a pivot point.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Next year's a you could argue in terms of money,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: next year's he's got more on the table, because it
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: could go like if you told me the Texans are
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: in the AFC Championship Game and he throws thirty five touchdowns, He'll.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Get a huge contract.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Do you tell me, it's goes a little weird. The
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Texans are not doing that now, he would have trade value.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: But I think Casario I introduced myself to him this
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: today because when I was at Fresident State, the Patriots
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: always took a bunch of our players. Is his interviews
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: are some of the best GM interviews today because he's
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: like confident, he's not like insecure about what he's saying.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: He just talks football, and he's good at like kind
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: of gets nerdy football, but like in a very digestible way.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: You know how he's good at like avoiding. It's like
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: how he but I get.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: It because you know Philly, they will it's crazy casarri
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Or in Houston. He's been trained by Belichick, but he's
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: his own guy. I'm telling you, I think his GM
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: press conferences are awesome, and I agree he's not getting traded, but.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: He's also not gett an extension.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: It's kind of good timing for the Texans, though, because
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: everyone talks about the twenty twenty seven quarterback class and
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: I don't want to give it too much hype because
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: we did have hype on the twenty twenty six draft class.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: I don't know we had a ton alerk or Alur Kubiak,
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Aler Club, Nick nuss Meyer Beck All will be here
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: this week, but all will be projected later on.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Don't you think it's kind of good timing.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: I guess the fact that like, you're gonna have to
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: pay Will Anderson soon CJ shredd if he does, think
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: you do have I don't want to say Davis mill
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: is gonna be the future, but just a manageable quarterback
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: like a Sam Darnol.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: You don't need a guy that's gonna go out there.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: It's a guy that doesn't turn the ball.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying that they need, because clearly Casario
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: one thing he learned from Bill. Remember when he took Stingley,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: people thought he was crazy, seeing he was like the
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: best corner in the league or one of them. Will
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Anderson move was pallsy. Even Woody marks this year was
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: a good pick Caseiro's really good at his job. That
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: team is gonna be well run for a while. The
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: only way you can derail a well run team is
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: by giving a quarterback who is not worth because again cj.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Ain't signed in like two years forty million dollars, so
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: it's like he's kind of in the no man's land
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: right now. And he to me, my biggest beef with
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: him is like, bro, just right now you can develop
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: into this play more. They hate the term game manager,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: but just play more like fucking Ryan Tannehill did for
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Vray Bowl and the Titans. If he had done that
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: or what Alex did for they could have won the
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Kyle Shanahan said there were two teams that
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: could have won the Super Bowl if their offense and
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: special teams didn't screwed up. It was Seattle and Sam
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: played better than that in Houston, and CJ was because
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: he is talented, but he is closer like his style
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: to Goff than he is like Lamar and Josh and Patrick,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: and sometimes I think he's like, well.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I'm fucking those guys.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: It's like Bro, I mean, the playoffs was it was outrageous,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: so bad it was, and I was rooting for.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I had money on them to make them a Super Bowl,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: a huge.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Future bet that was kind of like a long shot,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: and it was like I didn't have a chance, honestly
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: if their defense wasn't as good. Remember how bad that
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: the playoff game was in Pittsburgh. And to me, coming
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: from New England, part of their operation was like Brittie's
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the greatest quarterback ever, but bring in a lot of
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: like and this is gonna sound like a I don't know,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: negative dunkin duncan, Like, hey, my best option is just
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: a little check down. Do you know what doesn't win
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: you games? Is like throwing a pick in a tight
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: game in the third quarter on the road in the
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: playoffs and CJ through like seven of them that game.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: So to me, that was That's where Demiko is probably
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Taylor made for this like modern day kind of sport
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: because it is a lot of people talking about him.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: He's from Ohio state. He's just a lot of people are.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Paying attention to him, and typically Texans like kind of
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: an under the radar team. It's on Demico to kind
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: of work with him. And that's Tomko's personalities. He's like
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: him and Solo. They're just great with players. They really
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: just got to kind of like, bro we don't need
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: you to like carry the franchise. Will Anderson and those
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: guys have that cover. Yeah, you know, let's face it.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Will is the star of their team by a mile.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's one of the best players in the league.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: But in fairness to CJ on the second overall pick,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I'm for a while I'll say I'm the quarterback.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I don't think the players sometimes, which
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: can be scary.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I think next year, I'm.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: More fascinated to watch DJ Stroud than most players because, like,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: is he cool with like taking a little bit of
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: a step back.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they're gonna have a better running game.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: They have the Washington Commander second round pick, which is
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: like pick thirty seven, Like the Texans could be even
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: better from a roster standpoint next year, Yeah thirty eight.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: So it's like, GJ just play like Dak did five
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: years ago. I feel like the game manager role or term.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: It was Kim Newton that made it not appealing when
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: he called out Brock, wasn't it.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: And now everyone talking because Alex, like Alex Smith, used
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: to get called that a lot.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I don't get the forty niners in the Chiefs. They
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: were going the playoffs every year.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like not everyone can be like John Elway or
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: pre far. Most people aren't Aaron Rodgers twenty fourteen. Like,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: if your team legit as Sam Donold, what it was
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: like managing a lot of those games this year?
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Pretty cool? He super Bowl champ.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're gonna be a game or two if
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: your team's loaded or they're gonna need you. Okay, that
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: playoff game for CJ, they did not need them. It's like, bro,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: play under control, you will win this game. The Texans
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: are better in the Patriots if you remove the quarterbacks.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I don't even think it's close. I mean, I like,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I respect for Abel and what they've done. Patriots are
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: one of the worst Super Bowl teams of all time.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: I do think the Texas receiver group got better towards
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: the back end, like both the rookies. Christian Kirk broke out.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Nico Collins I think was hurt during the playoffs two.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: But moving on to a bigger story, I think if
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: this exact team the Texans the way, how good they are,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: or the Eagles were the Niners were the Packers because
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: like they are that good non quarterbacks not and then
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: just events how the quarterback play, Yeah, they're just I
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: mean they play in the State of Texas and the Cowboys.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: There two teams that are planning the tag players. Let's
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: go Falcons playing to tag Kyle Pitts, Jets playing to
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: tag Breeze Hall and alongside the Falcons tagging Kyle Pitts.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: They're set to release Kirk Cousins, which doesn't seem like
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: a shock, but it's like, I wonder what they're gonna
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: do a quarterback for the foul.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: That didn't go well, that was a Cousins. You think
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Trent Screedy. You know, Cousins made a hundred million dollars.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he won many games the last
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: couple of years. I see him doing pot We need
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: to have him on the podcast.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: He's great.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: Oh he's great on TV. The CBS coverage he did
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: for the AFC champions.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I think he's making that transition and he'll be you
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: watched like three years, he'll get like a.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Tony Rommel contract.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: People like Cousins, how's he doing this? He's like the
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Warren Buffett of football. I think a lot of people
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: were like, Kyle Pitts is gonna be one of the
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: main targets you know this free agency, but he would
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: look pretty sweet last year. And to me, uh, Stefanski,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: they had what's his name Najoku, Like you get that
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: tight end with that running back like pretty nasty. So
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: I think you don't really have a choice.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Who is the other guy bres Hall for the Jets? Crazy?
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I think, to me, running backs, he better
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: be like Bijon in this pride I mean, specially guy injured.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: All the time.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think people think he's like a well rounded
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: catches the ball well hot take.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: And again I've heard him interview. It seems like a
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: great guy.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Perty's teammate resurrected Iowa State with Matt Campbell.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Honestly, those two guys help put Matt Campbell on the map, right.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I just think he got talked about.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: And I'm not a big fantasy guy, but I felt
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: like all the fantasy guys were like next to Marshall Folk,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I was like, could be the Jets if he goes
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: somewhere else, And it's like Christian McCaffrey.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: It's truly a Jets.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: I thought he was gonna come to Arizona. That was
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: the whole speculation, is that Arizona was gonna cut James
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: Connor and go after.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Coach him when he was young.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's just paying the running back like that.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: I would rather go out in the draft and get
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: somebody or trust Trey Benson.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Solid now Tennessee, they don't. I'm trying to think Brian Callahan.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I don't even know where he's. Oh he's a quarterback
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: coach at New York.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: A couple more two guys that. You know.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: What's the funniest part about I wish people could see
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: us walking around on this radio row is you do
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: have a lot of hot takes, a lot of fiery
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: takes about some people. We would these two guys I'm
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: about to break up would walk by it and you're like, oh.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that guy.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: I said a lot of meat stuff about him, like
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: I don't like that guy.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: That guy is like me.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: One of those guys being Andrew Berry, the general manager
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: for the Browns, was asked about his belief in quarterback
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson competing for the quarterback one spot, and he said,
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: any player on a roster. We would want to compete.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: We believe in competition. Thoughts on Deshaun Watson competing for
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: the quarterback one.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Andrew Berry is always this personally hard. He's a great guy,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: clearly very.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Intelligent as someone who's intelligence is probably in the lower end.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: And Ivy League guy sharp.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I do think if he coached or i mean was
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: the GM of again the bigger brands, bigger media markets,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: his team always loses. And for this, like Ivy League
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: smart guy, they have more I'm not even counting to
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Sean Watson. They've had multiple guys they've drafted immediately get arrested.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: If that happened to like John Lynch or Howie, it
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: would be a fucking war zone.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: But it's like he media likes him because I've said
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: this forever.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Media is well read with a lot of these guys,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: good good, high level institutions, and they like kind of
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: get to pass Stefanski kind of get did too Savansky
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: ava League guy?
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: But like how much?
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: And maybe Andrew Berry would tell me when Nolan's looking,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: my owner's crazy. Probably true. Did Andrew Berry wanted to
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Sean Watton? Who wanted to Sean Watson? Somebody needs to
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: write a book on that, because he didn't want to
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: go to Cleveland, and the only way you can give.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Him that much money is the owners gonna sign the check.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: So that's that's the owner clearly heavily involved last year,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: the Dylan Gabriel thing, then taking Shador. I mean, it's
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: just they do a lot of stuff that other teams
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: would get crucified, players going to jail, losing all the time,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: taking two quarterbacks in the third and fifth round when
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: one quarterback who I don't think could hit the wall
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: over there. I mean, most people had Dylan Gabriels and
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: undrafted free agent and that might have been Stefanski, which
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I don't even blame. A lot of coaches don't evaluate well.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I'll even give Andrew Berry a pass on that one.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Like I think this is a terrible pick, but my
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: coach wants him. He's a quarterback guy. I just think
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: the Browns got a lot going on.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: He did.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: He did draft the defensive reck of the year too
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: in the second round, Carson Sleschinger, Sweachinger, good pick.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: They had a good draft. That guy.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: The even Shador with the value is good. Samson Judkins right,
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: jud Kinson was a monster before he broke his Like
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: like their draft, that's see, that's what happens.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: They're fucking terrible. They're awful, and then people are like, well,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: this draft class was incredible. You''re paid to win games.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: The Browns are always suck. They're just so bad.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: And I just think that, like think of Tomlin and
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Harbaugh got crucified. I mean, Tomlin is taking shit now
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: for like a decade, and that's why he's the one
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: was minimums going nine to eight every year.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: If he had one of those years, which I respected
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: this year. This is where I where I Andrew would
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: stay on Andrew Berry.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: When they traded Flacco and Tomlin came out, He's like,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: what a fuck are we doing here? You would trade
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: a guy inside because like the analytics, like, I just
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: I'm not into it. I'm not And I just think
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: these Brown stories just exhaust me. I feel for their
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: fans because they clearly love football. Luckily a lot of
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: them have. Ohiouse, I just think they get a pass.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: I'll give them a pass on to Sean Watson, but
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: the whole thing, because again, it's like their draft class,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: the Travis Hunter trade. They get credit for that, right,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: they got two.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: First round picks. It's like, see, well they got all
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: the they never win. I mean they just the whole
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: point is to win, Like Howie and John Shnier. They
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: do some stupid hit too, but miss some drafting.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: The point is to win every Sunday, Like that's that's
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: what they're paid to do.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: Especially, I felt like this was like the worst year
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: of that division in a while.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: They hired Todd Munkin like that's the craziest, weirdest hire
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: of all time. And it was pretty clear people were
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: taking their job.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing. The other thing, the forced guys
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: just write essays. I'm a football coach. These guys are football.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Coaches as they have a whistle around their neck, like
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day that they are. Even
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: if we want to dive in, these are billion dollar businesses.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Can the guy, I don't I communicate verbally with you, right,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: It's it's the medium of the communication in the in
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: the role in which you play. You never write besides
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: maybe some powerpoints or stuff to Tiger deam, why would
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: I need to write an essay?
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: What I'm sorry? I just think it's kind of a
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: clown show.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: And the second guy, Panthers head coach Dave Canalis. We
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: walked by and we talked about how he ran a
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: flee flicker in the rain against Tampa Bay. He said
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: that as offensive coordinator, Brad Idzick will call plays in
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty six so he could take a more global
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: approach to the team.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Jealous of Canalis is waistline. He's skinny man. He's just
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: a good shape. He's a good shape man. See some
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: of these guys like, god, how do you say? So fit?
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of I'm not gonna lie, this is
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: super off topic.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: A lot of NFL network insider guys and a lot
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: of people I see on TV are a lot shorter
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: than I thought coming into this.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Well, it's like I feel tall. It's like five ten.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: It's like Hollywood.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: You know if you went Tom Cruise like five four.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: You know, I was just happy. I'm taller than rap sheet.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: That was my biggest compared yourself to rape Chefter combined
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: like six eight.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: You know. So yeah, it's not let's face it, this
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: this group the media, you know, they like to eat.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: That food comes out of that food's gone. You know,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: we we missed that. We missed the run. All of
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: a sudden, we're starving.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Not a lot of former athletes. Yeah, force fast on us,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: but it is what it is.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Uh, Canalis, I forgot what we were talking about.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: They made the playoffs this year. That's pretty crass. They
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: did at eight nine.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: The playoff game, I saw, I don't know, were you
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: gonna talk anything about Aaron Glenn because I did see
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Aaron was I saw he must have said this.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: He was pretty fired up. Of all the people in here,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: the one I felt the worst for. It's like, God,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: so I've.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: Getting up on that podium and talking next to John
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: Harball too.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I was like, Ah, that's that's a tough gig right now.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Not all your fault. I mean, last year was bad,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: but like you inherited the Jets like it's not. I
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: don't put that on Aaron Glenn, but he said today
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: that calling plays in my superpower. I never dersod this
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: why you didn't call plays last year? Now, the team
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: wasn't gonna be good, but I think if you're a
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: head coach and you can do it, Like clearly Canalo's
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: a pretty good play caller. Was good with Baker, like
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: they had a lot of I mean, didn't Ted McMillan.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Wasn't he the offensive rookie of the year. Yep, Like
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: he's good at it. I would never as a head coach.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: If I'm talented at it, I would never give that up.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Like I get it. The Tomlins, the Hardballs brothers, they're
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: good at Like they can do the CEO thing really well.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Sirian is good at it when he has the right coordinators.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: You gotta call the place if you're like Canalis, to me,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: should be calling plays. And it might be his dad
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: used to be the GM of the Jets back in
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: the day, back in the day, probably ten years ago.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: But to me, I'm not big on giving up the
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: play calling because that's where things get weird. They start
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: blaming people, start firing people. Aaron Glenn was like solid
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: last two years ago, they had no players. They go
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: into the Minnesota Viking game and Aaron Glenn, like saw
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: this year won a game with me, you and seven
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: other media members like how.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Did he just do it? Like?
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: And that's why he got hired because he was like
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: this fiery relates to the players and he's great schematically
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: getting guys to play above I think I heard Tomlin
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: say this, like, my job is not getting you know
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: whoever my Troy Paula Maol or something in his prime,
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: like at the end of the day, once he gets
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: to a certain level, like your mom can coach that guy.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: It's finding like the C players and making him a B.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: It's finding the B minus guy and making him a
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: B plus A minus. It's finding a random like D
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: plus C minus guy and like, shit, you made that
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: guy a B.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: That's coaching.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: What Aaron Glenn and Robert Saul It's like they can
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: kind of take anybody when they're coordinators, Like that's impressive
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: because clearly if I give them, like what do you
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: think it's gonna look like? If I give Aaron Glenn,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Miles Garrett, Max Crosby and Aaron Donald, this defense gonna
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: be awesome. But I've seen him like take random guys,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: seen Robert Sala take random guys, so you know you
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: can do it and then you just become the CEO.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Like it's gotta be a weird feeling for those guys.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: I think kind of just sitting there like during the week,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: I know they're probably going to meetings and stuff, but
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I think that's just where you get you're typically taking
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: a head coaching job on a bad team.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: You're gonna lose that.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: People start pointing fingers, Your owner gets pissed, the fans
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: get loud. This league has never been louder. I mean
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: one thing, talking to someone who was I talking to
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: about this? I asked a coach earlier today, Like, what's changed?
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: We're now football is the number one television show in America,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: not the number one we talked about the number one sport.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: It's the number one television show. And it's like a
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: lot of this, a lot of social media that gets
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: put on the players and it becomes content. It's all
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: like under the same umbrella. That world can overwhelm you
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: when you're losing. And when you're like Aaron Glenn you
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: go to the Jets.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: It's already negative.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: It's not his fault, he didn't do all the previous crap,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: but like he has to deal with that like tsunami
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: and negativity and fend it off.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: So you have no equity with them as.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: A coach because you've never coached there, right, you've just
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: been an assistant coach.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Then you get there, and my if I was a
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: just fan to be like, well, why didn't these call
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: plays last year? Like what are we doing?
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: You already got to deal with Woody, we don't have
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: a quarterback.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: It just gets weird.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: And I think that's the thing in the NFL why
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: the good teams stay good and it's hard for the
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: bad teams to get out because it's hard to get
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: from like weird to just normal.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: It's really hard to get.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Like it's gonna be a hard job for solving those
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: guys in Tennessee just to get the train back on
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: the tracks, Like spy TeX's number one job is just
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: to get the train back on the tracks. You look
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: at like McVeigh or John Schneider or Howie like they're like,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: how do we win three playoff games? Like that's what
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: they're thinking. So other teams are like, how do we
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: win eight games?
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: How do we win? That's that's why John Harbaugh got
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: one hundred dollars or one hundred million dollars, one hundred dollars.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Because the Giants go, you know what John Harbaugh minimum, like,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: worst case scenario next year, we're probably like eight wins, and.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: If it goes decent and we stay kind of healthy,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: we're like ten or eleven and we feel great.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: And when you hire some of these coordinators who have
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: never been coaches, even you know, Aaron Glenn's former high
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: end player.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: You played dB. Yeah, the finished with zero picks this year, right,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: that's a hit. That record will never be broken. One.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: It's impossible with the extra games. It's crazy. I remember
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: hearing Richard Sherman talk, See, that's like impossible, that's impossible.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Like think of the balls in football.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: If we just went out and played a pickup game,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: balls get tip, balls hit in the air, and they
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: had sauce for enough. Sauce isn't exactly Dione when it
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: comes to picks, but still I felt like the Texans
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: had like three picks a game. I just think that
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: I remember telling Coward this last year after coming here.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Is the difference of just like.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: The well run button up operations, like the one thing
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: the Eagles are good at, like there's always drama, but
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: like how he kind of likes that. But they're just
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: like they're a well run button up machine Seattle. It's
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: like a well run button ub machine. I think the
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: I think part of the reason Tomlin got out was
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: like we're no longer that like things.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Are weird, you know, and the Ravens they're just mintory.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: You see him, he's tiny. I missed him. Oh he's tiny.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: I was like that guy's head coach. But he's clearly good.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: But the Ravens are a good example.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: They're just like well run, you know, they're just really
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: really well run.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: And when you just will really well run.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Weird stories when someone gets in trouble, it doesn't like
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: derail your franchise when you're bad like that stuff can
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: just like.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: Does it kind of put appreciation on how fast Chicago
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: flipped it around.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Obviously it was the Ben Johnson higher, but.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: The guys want to I mean go to go from
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: Eberflus to Ben Johnson and then the progress that they
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: had you talk about all these other organizations that can't
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: make that progress. I think it just tip the cap
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: of It was the obvious choice, but the selling point
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: of them to get Ben Johnson.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: You got to give credit for Ryan, but there aren't
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: that many Ben Johnson every year, right like obviously Harbaugh
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: this year, Tomlin next year. You have the guys that
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: are established, guys have been head coaches, and then people
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: want to hire. But anytime you get like McVeigh and
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Shanahan years ago, Ben Johnson now some of the Kevin
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: O'Connell you don't know, you hope, and now that some
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: of them have done it, you think everyone's gonna be
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: the next one, and they're not. So I think part
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: of it was Ben was just gonna be great where here,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Like he's just legit, you know.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: And Caleb.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: His physical skills, like part of the reason you saw
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: as the year went on, White got drafted number one overall.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: He could do things that like Josh Allen only could.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: So it's like they had this magic and Caleb because
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: they weren't losing a lot of these games. You know,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: they were down in a lot of these games and
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: pulling them out.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: And like most of their games were not the.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Eagles on Black Friday where they just beat the shit
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: out of them. They ran a lot of their games.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: I felt like they were down ten points in the
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: fourth quarter and Caleb like he's playing the best throw
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: of the year, and then he'd watch again next year
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: or next week he'd be like, oh no, that's a
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: better throw and then he'd do it over and over.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: So like they had the magic, but they had a
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: guy that was drafted number one overall, and with that
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: trade they also had DJ Moore and because they were
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: shitty last year they had they were able to get
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: leveling at ten, So I mean they did have some
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: good talent. I talked to Poles today. Poles had a
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: good point. He's like, like, did you know Caleb? He
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: loves Caleb, right, those articles have come out like he
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: was saved his job. I said, did you know he
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: was that fast? He's like, I knew it was really fast,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: but he's like the one his best skill, because I
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: was like, how fast do you think he is? If he
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: just ran a forty? And he was started telling me like,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: we didn't even look at forties anymore because we look
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: at play speed on like the GPS stuff, and we
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: have enough years of data now to know like what
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: it means. Because before, like when at first year one,
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: if a guy runs twenty miles an hour, like what
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: does that mean? It's twenty fast twenty slow? But now
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: you know like twenty one, twenty two. He's like Tyreek
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: ran a number than No. One Eclipse, right, But Caleb's
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: best skill, he was saying, it's clear when you watch
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: him is like the ten yard bursts, so it feels
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: like he's Lamar because he can he can stop and
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: then just accelerate like an F one car. And that's
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: why he doesn't get sacked because it's like someone's around him.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: And then his bursts like seven to twelve yards, he's
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: like shot out of rocket ship, and all of a sudden,
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: it's like he's way away from this guy. So he's
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: not then running probably like Saquon Barkley, but he's so
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: quick in that short area that he feels like he's
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: because I was like, does he running like a four
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: to four flat? It's like no, but he's His short
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: area quickness and change the direction is pretty elite would
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: be it.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Would have to. I don't think. I don't think he
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: did any of nine.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: No, But that's where it's like, that's why this week,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: and people push back, right like what does it mean?
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Like what does it matter? Like the times you're paid
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: to play football, not short shuttle lift, But that shit
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: does come up in big moments in big games. So
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: like Caleb's explosion and his arm strength, how many times
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: that matter for the Bears this year?
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty times?
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh yeah, Like you know certain guys that have
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: short arms. Last year, what's his name from the LSU Campbell?
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: He got destroyed in every game. Like Will Anderson looked
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: like Lawrence Taylor in his prime. Now was he injured?
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Like there are more variables that we don't know, but
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: like the arm length.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: The speed, the explosion.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Arm strength when you're playing in these freezing cold games.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Far have played in the frozen tundra. Do you know
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: how hard it is to throw a ball.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: When it's that cold. Well, when your arm strength is elite,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: you need it.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: So why a lot of the cold weather quarterbacks mcnap
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: cold weather quarterback Eli Manning, cold weather quarterback Brady cold
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: weather quarterback.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Roethlisberg or Flacco? What are they all have in common?
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Big arms?
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Philip Rivers did not have a big arm, could not
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: have played in the prime of his career and been
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: the same player.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: And like Cincinnati, the.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Burrow's kind of an outlier because he doesn't have a
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: huge arm, but he's.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Like Joe Montana's feel his touch.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: But like to me to play in a lot of
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: these places, Chicago Tryo had multiple games. It was like
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: that looks like the coldest game in the history of
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: cold games and they're like, yeah, it's like the seventeenth
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: coldest game in the history of the Bears. I'm like, yeah,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: that's a gold So Josh Allen, he plays in Buffalo,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: like perty can get away with it. In San Francisco
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: they play in a lot of warmer weather games. They
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: play La Seattle's not that cold. You can't get away
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: with it. Like they play a dome here. Imagine they
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: didn't play a dome here. This plays to be fucking freezing,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: wouldn't it.
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you text me when you landed in at eleven pm,
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: You're like, this is ant Arniga.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: You know what they called this place? Right?
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: No, the house Peyton built because this did not when
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: he got here this, I mean this franchise. He made
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: them like you guys know the Midwest, Like he turned
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: this thing in like what Jordan did to the bulls.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: What you know, Midwest? He fucking put this place on
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: the map.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: Did they have Lucas oil before?
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: No?
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: No, I think it was like two ninety nine, two
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: thousand range he got drafted like ninety seven ninety eight,
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: You guys, was there another shit?
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Was it indoors?
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: It was crappy indoors stadium, like Peyton, Manning is a
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: good but Peyton's a good example. If I put if
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: I flip flop Peyton and Tom. Tom was not as
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: good early, he got way better and then became like dominant.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: But who knows Peyton could coach himself immediately. Peyton never
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: had a big arm, so he's more in that Drew
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Brees category of like you play in the dome, Look
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: how much easier it is. We're in a place that
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: I don't It's not as cold today, but yesterday, let's
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: say it was twenty degrees. Playing a game in this
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: or going outside and playing a game in that, It's like,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: it's not even relatable. And I'm a West Coast guy.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I fucking hate the cold.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: But I lived in Philly for a couple of years,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: and I remember my first year in Philly, right around November.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Even once it gets to like thirty, you're like you
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: start playing a different sport.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: The offensive and defensive lineman unfaced, the quarterback dramatically faced,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: and the wide receivers are too.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: Like the Bears drop a lot of balls.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: You know, hard is to catch a ninety nine mile
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: hour fastball from Caleb far a bunch of good draws.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: In the freezing. I can't. I don't even I don't
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: even blame him.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: So people like he dropped it him, Like, yeah, Jerry
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Rice might catch that.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: Maybe there's so many like five yard outs on like
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: third and six or third and four or whatever, and
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: Luther Burden's running or a dunees they or DJ Moore
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: and he's just slinging it right past their hands.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: I can't even imagine the feeling on those guys hands,
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Like it has to be they have to dread wide
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: receivers like playing in warm.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Weather places right or domes. Yeah, like if you're a
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: wide receiver.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, let's face the Patriots sitting exact and they
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: had a little Randy Mossley traded for him at the
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: you know when he was worth a fourth round pick.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: Most of these guys, you know want I mean, look
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: at the best receivers, Puka Jasam and.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. Somewhat of an outlier. He would translate.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: His style translates anyway, justin Jefferson, you know, indoor guy.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: They've had great receivers from Minnesota.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: Indoor Randy, You're just gonna dominate if if you put
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Jamar Chase in like the Rams, CD and Piggins. It's
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: it's incredible place to play in a dome. Look at
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: all the stats that Breeze put up forever, Mike Evans
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. It's waser to play in seventy five degrees.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: You think Mike evis free agent, You think.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: He's gonna go to New England?
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Like fuck that?
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Well, what did see?
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: Jason Light said that we want to do everything possible
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: to make him retire a buck.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: And this is I was having a long conversation at
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: the Volume party with Sherman.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: And I was talking to Uh, you know, they took
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of pride, that whole crew like resurrected Seattle
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: and they were Johnson. I didn't ask him this, but
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: I saw john say on something recently. He's like the
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: difference of that group and my group now was like
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: that group hated everybody, like they had a chip on
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: their shoulder a mile like they were fucking angry. They
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: had an edge to them, which kind of old school NFL.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Those guys in like this modern internet era, they were
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: kind of like more of a team like I grew
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: up on like nineteen eighty four. He said, my team
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: now is like happy, they're all good buddies. Like that
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: team Richard Sherman, like four all.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Pros, still had a chip on his shoulder, like you
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: passed on me.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: It's like Richard, you're making like twenty million dollars a year,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: your best corner in the league.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: But that's just how they were all camped.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: They were edgy, and I think there is just as
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: you get older, you know, and you come into the
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: league and you're a stud and you start getting bad,
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: it can be hard to handle.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of players, you know, you come in,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: it's like the Sam Darnold thing.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: He went through a lot of shit.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: And back to my original point is like talking to
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Richard about it, all those guys Bobby Wagner, Cam Chancellor,
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: Earl Thomas flipped off Pete as he was getting like,
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: uh carted off the field.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: I think it's harder for them to accept.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: Like the NFL, like everyone fall great, Peyton Manning was
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: cut twice technically, you know, it's just like this league's
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: pretty cutthroat, and you know you can fall off the cliff.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Some guys like Rogers can play to the forty. Some
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: guys like Peaking like twenty seven and it can end immediately,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: and it's back to the Trent Williams thing that we
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: open with, So why don't blame Trent? Like Trent could
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Shatter's legging game one, his career could be over. So
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: it's like you gotta you don't get these like Steph
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Curry three hundred million dollars max content. That's not really
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: how football works. Most of these contracts are fake. And
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: I just think that that's Seattle team back. I mean
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: I saw them live.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: They would it was not a safe environment to be
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: running around.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: Really, I think you would. Vernon Davis was massive, that
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: historic Cam Chancellor. Vernon Davis is not like size of
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: me or you like this guy's like six. Vernon Davis
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: was tight end who ran a four to two and
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: was the fifth pick in the draft.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Six six, five two fifty can run like Tyreek Hill
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: and Cam Chansllor ended his career. I mean most people.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: There was a famous Brian Dawkins hit where Brian Dawkins
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: hit I think Algie Crumpler on the Falcons. But they
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: both went like that, you know, even you know Algie
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: was bigger than Dawkins, like Cam went that way and Davis.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: I think he's still flying.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: I missed the violence of football as someone that you
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: know got flagged.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: I just I just missed that level. Let me add
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: this one.
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: Last one just happened while we're recording. Broncos head coach
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: Sean Payne announced that new offensive coordinator Davis Webb will
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: call offensive plays in twenty twenty six.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: So I think it's fair too glean.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: That there was a decent chance of Davis Webb leaving
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: last year getting a head coaching job, even if he
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: had to take one of the crappy ones, the Browns,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: the Cardinals. Sean fires his best friend. I can't even
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: think of his name, but remember the dude went on.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: He was quoted like the next day He's like, yeah,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: I thought we were just in the AFC Championship game.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: I thought we were pretty good this year. The night
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Shaan's pissed off and fired me, it'd be like best friend.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: They worked together for like twenty years. I can look
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: it up, but I bet Davis is like, I don't
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: want to take the Cardinal job or the Browns job,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: but it's the head coaching job. They'll pay me a
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: bunch of money. Sean's like you call place here and
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: they got Walmart money. He's probably making a lot of money.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: But Joe Lombardi, Yeah, Joe Lombardi, I think it's pretty
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: clear that they there were some concessions there with we
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: don't want you to leave, you probably kind of want
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: to stay. Hear, But like they're again, money's all relative.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: If you're making fifty grand, if someone offers you two
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: hundred grand, or you're like Davis Webb making a million
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: and someone offers you six, it's like, yeah, man, what
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: am I supposed tell my wife?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: You know this that how our house could quadruple in size?
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: And the private school is no longer an issue. So
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: I just think that they didn't have a choice. I
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: think that was one of those where Davis was almost
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: like a player.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how is it? What is he thirty? I remember
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: when he was at cow Do you remember he was
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: like the first transfer. Yeah, he was at like SMU
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: or Texas Tech. Texas Tech.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Sonny Dykes was the coach and he was a
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: grad transfer, and people for a lot of yards, people
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: thought because he's tall. I think people thought like this
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: guy could be like a top twenty pick, and then
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: he was I think he went like the third, fourth,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: fifth round somewhere, played in the league for like three
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: or four years. I think he's a lot like Sean Manning.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: You see a lot of these quarterbacks that played in
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: like the late two thousands, early twenty tens, or like
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: calling plays. Sean Manion played at Oregon State not that
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: long ago. Davis Webb was in college in the twenty tens.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Him and Brandon Cooks were so sweet packed twelve after dark.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Sean Maney in.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: A year before they had Wheaton two. So when Cooks
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: was a sophomore and Wheaton who got.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Drafted in the third round the Steelers or State, it
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: was pretty nasty for Governor.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: On offense, they had thet uh the little brothers, the
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: running backs, little twins, remember those.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about. I don't know the name.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: I want to say Rodriguez, but it's not.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Jack Quz is two of them, you know what I'm
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: talking about, James and jack Ques. Jack Ques I think
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: was the better one. One of them was better than
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: the other one, but they were both kind of sick.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: They their offenses at Oregon State. Honestly, it pissed me
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: off even talking about the littles, Yeah, Rogers, yeah, Jock.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: So Oregon State always got like uh pre nil and
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: probably like thirty years ago, Fristen State did this a
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: lot too. To get into like play at USC or
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: UCLA or Washington. There were minimum requirements academically, like you
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: had to hit something. Frislee State could do this thing,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: and Oregon State did it too, called like a prop.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: I think it was like Prop forty nine. I don't
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: think Logan Mankins might not have graduated high school, but
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: Forrest State would be like, you just come to school here.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Ryan Matthews when I was there, he couldn't like they
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: could take these exceptions. Oregon State did it forever, Chad Johnson.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: You get guys into school obviously, all the.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Like Ryan Matthews.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Pete Carroll wanted Ryan Mathews out of high school, but
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: he like academically didn't qualify. Now it's like, I swear
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: to God, no one goes to school in college because
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: you can't tell me all these transfers as any you
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: ever look at your your transcript when you're in college,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: like this would never transfer.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: I don't even think do transcripts even exist if you.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Play college football, they cannot know this dude will go
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: from like Stanford or like Texas Tech to Stanford to
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Vanderbilt Tobama.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: It's like, how resol these classes? Some of these people are.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: In quarters and semesters? Like what is when I was
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: a GA at present state? Transcripts and test scores? Can
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: you imagine the last time Kirby Smart asked, like his
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: recruiting coordinator, what's his test score?
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Sat No fucking chance anyone in the SEC has ever uttered,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: like what's his transcript look like? In the last seven years?
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: Maybe ever, but definitely in the transfer portal era.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: That's so funny. I can't like the Bailey guy. I
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: didn't realize is David Bailey. Yeah, a Stanford.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: He's an easy one because you're at Stanford. They have
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: academic requirements.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: Louvebay, Texas definitely doesn't.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: He could get right in with all that money.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: But I'll give you one that flipped safe to say,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: diego Pavia isn't going to Vanderbilt of high school right,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: So as an academic student, I'm not talking football. But
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: what was Clark Lee's big thing was we got to
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: open this up a little bit if we want to,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: And he got him to and now diego work.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Vader Bill ain't gonna look at a transcript.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they just got a five star quarterback out of
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: high school.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: Do you see the dude? What was a guy's name
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: of Notre Dame? What did he say? The wide receiver?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: The difference between going to Notre Dame in Ohio State?
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, Mile and Graham. Yeah, you said you actually
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: have to go to classes in person. You can go
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: to them online at Ohio State.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: I looked at the comments and a bunch of people
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: at Ohio State.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: Was he You still got to go to class online
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: if your classes are online, or in Ohio State playing football,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: you're never fucking logging onto anything. That's what he essentially
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: just said. You have to go to class at Notre Dame.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: You do not have to do anything in Ohio State,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: which I got no problem with.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: But that's what he said. Now was awesome.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: That's what Carlo Jones said. He said, I ain't coming
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: here to play school, But back then you were supposed to.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: Now no one even cares. Yeah, back then they pretended are.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: So many years now they're giving So it's like Carson
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: Becksen is like six years Like yeah, I haven't been
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: to school in like two or three weeks.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: And in fairness, like when I was in college, Matt
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: Liner remember his last year he had graduated. He took
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: one class and it was like golf. Is that all
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: that's always happened a little bit if you like graduated?
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: But now, like, what year is the Notre Dame wide?
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Was he how long? He's like a red shirt freshman? Yeah,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: so he's young.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: So usually as a freshman, if you read sir, you'd like,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: go bang out some basic classes. And do you think
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: that guy went to one class O house state? No
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: freaking chance, which I respect, and that is why I
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: think Michigan people get mad at ohiouse ate I do
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: you think Michigan has some more academic requirements that I
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: was saying? And it's easier for Ohio State to dominate
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: because they can't get anyone they want at any moment
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: in school, and no one has to go to a
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: class ever ever.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: Like you cannot play at Notre Dame.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Look at Notre Dame though, in fairness, like most of
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: their guys when you hear him talking like that guy's
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: a high level guy. I remember when the volume first started,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton that crew. Do you ever listen to that show?
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: They're like four of them.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's watching the Echoes or something.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, some other random guys on the team. But it
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: was like some player college podcast. I would rather like
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: look at the wall than listen to it. But it's
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: like those guys are just high level of dudes.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: Stanford would be the Saint like back in the day,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: like when Caffrey was on the team with like the
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: Shriman era, Like those guys are just high light. There's impressive,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: Like if football didn't exist, they would all be going
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: to school and getting good grades and listen, I'm anti academia,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: like I fucking hate class.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: I think class it did serve me well.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: But the Stanford guy was always I remember even a
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: scouting like these guys are smart, you know, and you
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: go sometimes you go to the SEC like they're but
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: they're smart at football, but they don't have to go
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: to class.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: So it's like you go to you know, Ole miss
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: like none of those dudes are going to class.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: When was the last time all academic teams for football
• 1:07:36
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• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: it was only in high school, or maybe It was
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: like when I was in high school, I would see
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: him for the Big ten and stuff. It feels like
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: nowadays you don't even see that anywhere unless it's old
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: school magazine website.
• 1:07:49
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• 1:07:56
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• 1:07:58
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• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: even understand when what a magazine was and understand how
• 1:08:08
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• 1:08:10
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• 1:08:14
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• 1:08:18
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• 1:08:19
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• 1:08:34
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• 1:08:38
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• 1:08:44
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• 1:08:51
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• 1:08:57
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• 1:09:01
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