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SILVERSTEIN At 25: SHANE TOLD Reflects On Passion, Longevity, And Global Impact · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Shane Told and I am the vocalist
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  Speaker 2: for the Canadian group Silverstein.
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  Speaker 3: Beautiful, Thanks so much.
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  Speaker 4: Silver Stain is celebrating twenty five years. What does it
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  Speaker 4: feel like to hit that milestone and how do you
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  Speaker 4: keep the passion alive after all this time?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty surreal, to be honest with you, I
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  Speaker 2: think when you really think about twenty five years, it's
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  Speaker 2: like kind of nuts. You know, it's my entire adult
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  Speaker 2: life and I don't know where the time is gone.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I walked into I live in Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: Actually this wasn't in Las Vegas, but I live in
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  Speaker 2: a place where there's a lot of casinos.
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  Speaker 1: And sometimes when you walk into a casino, they'll love
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  Speaker 1: be like how old are you? Like They're just like
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  Speaker 1: wondering if the should.
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  Speaker 3: I do you?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I do I look like I could
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  Speaker 1: be underage? Yeah, but they asked.
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  Speaker 2: They asked me my age, and I went and I
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  Speaker 2: was with my girlfriend and I went, I went forty
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  Speaker 2: two and.
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  Speaker 1: She goes, no, you're not and I was like, oh fuck, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not four. What It's like.
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  Speaker 2: It's really weird how time, especially seemingly since like post
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  Speaker 2: COVID time is just like weird now and I don't
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  Speaker 2: I can't describe it. But the fact that twenty five
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  Speaker 2: years has happened and we've I've been doing this the
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  Speaker 2: whole time, like we haven't stopped. We have never stopped,
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  Speaker 2: we have not taken any breaks hiatuses. We've either been writing, recording,
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  Speaker 2: touring literally the entire time. It's really it really is surreal.
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  Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's it feels amazing. I
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  Speaker 2: don't feel my age, I don't feel tired. I just
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  Speaker 2: every time a show, I feel like we keep getting
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  Speaker 2: better and my voice keeps getting stronger, and it's like,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's got to be some limit, but like
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  Speaker 2: right now we're just enjoying it and enjoying this just
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  Speaker 2: like the show's being bigger than they've ever been too,
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  Speaker 2: So it's all really fucking awesome.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's amazing, amazing to hear as well that you
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  Speaker 4: feel you still feel really good and that you feel
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  Speaker 4: like you still can put on the best performance of
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  Speaker 4: your life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird, you know, like with with with age
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  Speaker 2: comes like confidence and knowledge and you know, and I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, like I don't know, I almost want to say,
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  Speaker 2: like sometimes my back hurts, but like not really like
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's it's like, you know, it's still physically,
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  Speaker 2: I still feel really good.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know. I just think we've we've
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  Speaker 1: learned a lot.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, sometimes I think about that, you know
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  Speaker 2: that ten thousand hours theory. Yeah, the idea for your listeners,
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  Speaker 2: like the idea that you know, if you do anything
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  Speaker 2: for ten thousand hours, you become an expert on it.
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  Speaker 2: That's the that's the number that they did ran experiments.
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  Speaker 2: If you do anything for ten thousand hours, you're And
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking about it, and I'm like, maybe that's it.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I've like finally hit my ten thousand hours of EMO.
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  Speaker 3: I think it'd be a lot more.
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  Speaker 4: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, like I mean, if a
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  Speaker 2: show isn't we haven't played ten thousand shows, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: I guess with all the practicing and all that other stuff,
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  Speaker 2: like you know, maybe it's something like that.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't know that that kind of I
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  Speaker 1: kind of think about that sometimes because I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what it is.
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  Speaker 2: I feel amazing and and if and I sound great,
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  Speaker 2: if I can say, if I can say that without sounding.
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  Speaker 1: Like an eagle.
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  Speaker 2: It really feels good and and we're excited to come
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  Speaker 2: back to Australia. Finally, it's been way too long to
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  Speaker 2: uh to to show you what we got.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we can't wait. It has been a while.
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  Speaker 4: And you mentioned you did mention before that you guys
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  Speaker 4: have never had a hiatus in like over two decades.
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  Speaker 3: How have you guys managed that?
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  Speaker 2: I don't really have an answer. We just kept going,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it just never stopped. We we there was
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  Speaker 2: never a point where we said, okay, we needed like
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  Speaker 2: we need to take some time away, like okay, let's
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  Speaker 2: not talk to each other for six months or something
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  Speaker 2: like that, We're taking a year off like that never
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  Speaker 2: happened that. We just never had that conversation. It was
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  Speaker 2: just like cool, we did this, like what's next. And
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  Speaker 2: I think the longest like true break that I ever
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  Speaker 2: remember us having was like three months, and I know,
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  Speaker 2: and during that three months it was like kind of
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  Speaker 2: like time like we were Okay, let's do some writing,
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  Speaker 2: you know, but it wasn't even really time off. And
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  Speaker 2: also during that that time off was I found out
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  Speaker 2: that my girlfriend was cheating on me. So that was
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  Speaker 2: like a miserable, like feeling worthless three months of my
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  Speaker 2: life too. So Okay, I've gone way too I've said
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  Speaker 2: too much, but you know, it's it's so it's it's
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  Speaker 2: funny though. Yeah, Like I don't know, we just I
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  Speaker 2: guess some bands maybe get to a point where they're
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  Speaker 2: so burned out that they're like, I just need we
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  Speaker 2: just need this time off. But like, honestly, I think
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  Speaker 2: if I had like a year off of No Silverstein,
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  Speaker 2: I think it.
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  Speaker 1: I think i'd be I am miserable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if I would enjoy that really,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe at some point, you know, we'll you'll catch up
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  Speaker 2: with us a little bit and we'll need it.
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  Speaker 1: But so far, two and a half decades, we're good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing.
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  Speaker 4: And so it's obviously a testament too to how close
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  Speaker 4: you all are as friends and people and business partners.
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  Speaker 3: I suppose as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're all of those things, you know, And
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  Speaker 2: and I think that's I think that's important. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I think I've always said that, you know, we're not
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  Speaker 2: best friends, like you know, I see some bands it's
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  Speaker 2: like funny, you know, they'll they'll come home from tour,
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  Speaker 2: like a six week tour where it's like, oh man,
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  Speaker 2: it's like a grueling tour, and then the night they
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  Speaker 2: come home, they're all hanging out at the same bar
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  Speaker 2: with like all the same friends, like they're all part
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  Speaker 2: of it, and it's like.
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  Speaker 1: Man, I think you need a little bit of space.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, And like I like, I love each and every
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  Speaker 2: one of my band members, and we have our own
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  Speaker 2: relationship and they have their own relationships with each other,
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  Speaker 2: and like, you know, and.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's it's just cool.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's just I just feel like it's great and
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  Speaker 2: we have a great respect for each other, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and all that stuff. And then you know, once a week,
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  Speaker 2: we we get on a zoom call.
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  Speaker 1: Like this and we we just chat.
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  Speaker 2: We catch up and whether it's like what's going on
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  Speaker 2: in our lives or just like you know, what's going
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  Speaker 2: on with the band. You know, we just kind of
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  Speaker 2: do that and yeah, it's just a good feeling and
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  Speaker 2: nothing is like too dramatic ever. Yeah, and uh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think we're just all really happy in what we
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  Speaker 2: do in our band.
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  Speaker 4: Sounds really healthy too, relationship wise. As you mentioned, to
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  Speaker 4: spend some time apart from each other, but then you know,
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  Speaker 4: I always come back and be cool with each other obviously.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I really do think so, you know, And and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's it's really it's really good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah that's awesome.
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  Speaker 4: And looking back, what moment stands out as the most
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  Speaker 4: defining in silver Stein's careers?
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  Speaker 3: I know that's a tough one.
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  Speaker 1: Big questions, Yeah, the big question, the most defining moment.
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  Speaker 3: Hmm maybe for you.
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  Speaker 2: I you know, this is going to sound like a
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  Speaker 2: bullshit answer, but it's really not. And I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: tell you why. So.
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  Speaker 1: I grew up and I never thought I was.
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  Speaker 2: Going to be like a professional musician or anything like that,
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  Speaker 2: Like that was never even an option. I love music,
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  Speaker 2: I love playing in bands, I love playing shows, but
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  Speaker 2: I never even thought like I would be a touring
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  Speaker 2: musician or whatever. And then Silverstein we started getting a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of you know, a little bit of hype.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to university, like trying to get my
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  Speaker 2: degree for science, and we got signed, right, and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, okay, cool, so we're on Victory rec It's
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  Speaker 2: a big label. This is like a big deal. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna quit school for this. But you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: probably probably gonna be We're probably gonna put out one,
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  Speaker 2: maybe two records and break up because that's like what
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  Speaker 2: all my favorite hardcore bands did.
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  Speaker 1: And then, you know, the band got bigger. The band
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  Speaker 1: got bigger.
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  Speaker 2: And during this time, believe it or not, I was
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  Speaker 2: still doing like correspondence classes in school. Like we had
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  Speaker 2: sold like one hundred thousand albums, and we were touring
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  Speaker 2: like playing, And let me tell you what's really funny
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  Speaker 2: is that the moment that I realized.
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  Speaker 1: Hmm, I think I'm good with this.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I'm gonna be going back to school
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  Speaker 2: was the first time that we came to Australia two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and five. Because when that was a really like
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  Speaker 2: earth shattering moment for.
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  Speaker 1: Us, we flew how far we have to you have
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  Speaker 1: to fly? I you've been to America before, it's a nightmare.
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  Speaker 1: And we were.
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  Speaker 2: We flew all the way there and we're like, no
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  Speaker 2: one's gonna know our band, Like we were like we
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  Speaker 2: got a free trip, like we're pulling the wool over like.
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  Speaker 1: We were really and back then it wasn't the internet
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  Speaker 1: was differently.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we weren't even know how many tickets they
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  Speaker 2: sold and we landed and they're like yeah yeah. And
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  Speaker 2: and our first show I'll never forget was in Brisbane
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  Speaker 2: and uh and they're like, yeah, it's I think it's
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: going to be sold out. Well what yeah yeah, uh
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah it's sold out. And we're like, what are
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  Speaker 2: what people like? And we played the show we did
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  Speaker 2: that was back when you did like an eighteen eighteen
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  Speaker 2: and under show and then like over eighteen whatever you
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  Speaker 2: did like two shows and they were both crazy and
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  Speaker 2: they were both sold out, and we were like, how
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  Speaker 2: do people know us? Like we are so far away
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  Speaker 2: from home. I guess we have records that like, I
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: guess we have a distributor, but how is this happening?
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  Speaker 2: And at that moment I was.
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  Speaker 1: Like, wow, we this is like crazy. I don't even
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  Speaker 1: know if we'd been to Europe yet. Yeah, we'd been
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  Speaker 1: to the UK, we'd been to the UK, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't even think we've been to like mainland Europe yet.
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  Speaker 2: So the fact that the fact that we we, I
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  Speaker 2: just realized like it's like, Okay, this isn't just a
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  Speaker 2: couple people that care about a CD that's in like
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  Speaker 2: in the US and Canada, Like this is global and
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  Speaker 2: that really that really did affect me my mindset. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that when I got home from that tour,
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  Speaker 2: that's when I like said, Okay, I can probably put
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  Speaker 2: these books away and and I never did another correspondence
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  Speaker 2: class after that.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, mom, oh wow, that.
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  Speaker 4: Is insane And that's so cool that you know, as
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  Speaker 4: an Australian we have that connection.
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  Speaker 3: For you, that that was that moment that you kind
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  Speaker 3: of realized it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was just such a huge moment for us.
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  Speaker 2: And like after we did that that Australian tour, just
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  Speaker 2: to talk a little bit more about that, we finished
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: the tour and it was with destroy all Lines.
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  Speaker 1: They booked it. And this is back when they were
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  Speaker 1: like real small, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I think they'd only brought like they brought in Berlin,
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  Speaker 2: I think and maybe come back kid and then us
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  Speaker 2: and it was this much smaller thing and we felt
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  Speaker 2: like they were like our family. And I was like sad,
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  Speaker 2: like Bronwyn and Nigel and I forget who was there
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  Speaker 2: at the time, Like we it was like they were
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  Speaker 2: like family members. We were leaving and I was like sad,
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  Speaker 2: like I had like tears in my eyes, like leaving Australia.
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  Speaker 2: We felt such a connection to it, and it was
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  Speaker 2: also like by far the best wur we'd ever done at.
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  Speaker 1: That point, and we were like, well, can we come back?
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  Speaker 1: Can we come back? Can we come back next month? Practically?
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  Speaker 2: And I think we did come back a little bit
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  Speaker 2: too much after that because we couldn't wait.
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  Speaker 1: But but it.
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  Speaker 2: Was I think we came back two thousand and five,
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and six, two thousand and stuff. But but
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  Speaker 2: you know, it really was, and it still is like
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  Speaker 2: my favorite place to tour, and just we always just
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  Speaker 2: feel so loved and treated so well there, and our
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  Speaker 2: fans are just so excited that we're there.
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  Speaker 1: So it's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna make me cry. I'm so happy to hear that.
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  Speaker 3: That's so lovely.
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  Speaker 4: I'll just ask, off the top of your head, what
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  Speaker 4: is your maybe your favorite place in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: You've been to, or favorite experience in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a hard question. I remember one time, where
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  Speaker 1: are you based?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so sort of New Sydney. I'm in a rural
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  Speaker 3: area called Mudgee.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I am not not aware of it. I do
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  Speaker 1: remember this one time.
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  Speaker 2: I might have been in that first tour and bron
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  Speaker 2: will let me drive the van on the wrong side
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  Speaker 2: of the road or the right side of the road
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  Speaker 2: for you guys. Left ye, and I got to drive
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  Speaker 2: from Melbourne to Adelaide.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow.
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  Speaker 1: I remember it was just such a beautiful drive.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know, it's just it's really nice down
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  Speaker 2: there in South South Australia. And I just always remember
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  Speaker 2: that moment and just you know, like it's just crazy
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  Speaker 2: to like look out and see the beautiful scenery and
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  Speaker 2: like kangaroos and ship like on the side.
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  Speaker 1: It's just great. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: It's like such a surreal place. So you know that
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  Speaker 2: I just remember that that moment specifically. And also the
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  Speaker 2: first time we went out to Perth too, and a
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  Speaker 2: friend of mine like showed me this, like because you
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: can go up this hill and like look over the
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  Speaker 2: whole city and this is just like so beautiful. And
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: and of course like uh when we played up a
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  Speaker 2: Byron Bay and the first time we were up there,
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  Speaker 2: we stayed at Winston from Parkway Drives parents house.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we slept on the floor in his garage.
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  Speaker 2: He was on tour, he wasn't even there and his
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  Speaker 2: and his parents like took us in and his dad
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: made me avocado toast. Is the first avocado toast I
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  Speaker 2: ever had, too, I've never.
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  Speaker 1: Had it before. I think aust to that one.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, and yeah, it's just those those are just
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  Speaker 2: a few moments among so many, you know that that
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  Speaker 2: that I have. And I have like probably like seven
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: or eight photos of me holding a koala too. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: of course from loan Pine, which I guess doesn't Isn't
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  Speaker 2: there anymore you can hold?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if it's loan Pine still, but
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  Speaker 4: there's I know that was around for ages and there
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  Speaker 4: is still heaps of places that you can still do that.
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  Speaker 4: Oh okay, I'm sure you're all koala out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm good now. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I still like feeding the kangaroos though, that's like that's
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  Speaker 2: kind of dope.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like they come around and.
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  Speaker 2: Me eat out of your hand and I still like
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  Speaker 2: that part. But yeah, I'll leave the qualas alone.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, Look, I've got to talk about the albums.
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  Speaker 3: I'd love to chat to you all day about all
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: of this because it's so interesting.
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  Speaker 4: But we've got Anti Bloom and Pink Moon both releasing
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: this year.
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  Speaker 3: How did you approach splitting the songs between the two albums.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, it was. It was tough, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I think we had, like I've said this in numerous interviews,
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  Speaker 2: but we had so many songs. We went in with
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: twenty five songs that we couldn't just make a single album,
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: and our drummer had the idea to do it into
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  Speaker 2: two records, and I love the idea for a lot
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  Speaker 2: of reasons, but specifically, there were two album closers that
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  Speaker 2: I was really worried about because I couldn't imagine them,
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  Speaker 2: any of them not being closers.
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  Speaker 1: So that when we had two albums, I was like, great,
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  Speaker 1: now we can put one on one on one on
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  Speaker 1: the other. So that was easy. That was an easy one.
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  Speaker 2: And then I had two distinctive and different ways that
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: I wanted to start the records, one being Mercy Mercy,
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: which is like an out of the gate, fucking smasher,
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  Speaker 2: and the second album is a completely different approach to.
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  Speaker 1: Those to those to that record starting.
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  Speaker 2: So that was kind of like we had those ones
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  Speaker 2: figured out and then it was sort of Okay, where's
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: the rest of it going? And I think another thing
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  Speaker 2: was we really wanted to save a couple of songs
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  Speaker 2: for the second album, and I think maybe we save
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  Speaker 2: too much because I think the second album might be better.
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  Speaker 1: But we're really happy with both.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: And you know, it's been really cool that we've been
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: able to put out like four singles.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: For the first record records out.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Now we can put out more singles, and it's kind
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: of like just a whole year long of music coming
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: out and at the end people are going to have
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: two pieces of work that I think are our strongest,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: and yeah, it's really it's really exciting.
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: It is so exciting as a fan as well to
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: keep up and listen to what's coming out next. And
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: you know what is really impressive too, is that this
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: it doesn't feel half asked, like you guys really have
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: put out songs.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Like I first heard Mercy Mercy and I.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: Was like, oh my god, Like it's not just another
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: song by Silverstein or anything. It's like, no, these guys
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: put in efforts.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: If you could be a fly on the wall Angelo
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: when we're making songs, you would be like the fucking
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: shit that they are spending time arguing about that, like
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: no one will notice. Yeah, like it we're crazy people
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: in the studio, crazy crazy, crazy people about the finest,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: tiniest details. And the thing is is like all those
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: little details add up. Yeah, yes, no, one doesn't matter.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: But when you start talk about like, you know, ten
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: or twenty in every song, like it does, it starts
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: to do that and we're perfectionists and.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: You're but you're right.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Nothing is half asked, nothing is like yeah, whatever, I
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: don't care, no one, everyone has an opinion. And then
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: we go through every one's idea. We go through, we
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: try everything until we finally say, okay, yeah, this is
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: the one and we kind of have to we almost
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: have to getanimously agree, which can take time. But that's
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: that's the thing is we're we're absolute psychos and perfectionists
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: about about the music. And that's I think probably a blessing. Yeah,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: even though at the time sometimes it feels like a curse.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, no, definitely, it definitely feels like that. How
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: you've described that, it is a collaborative effort that like
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: every little detail has been thought of.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: That's what my I think when.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: I hear Anti Bloo, there's no doubt it has been
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: and yeah, and it's yeah, there's a lot of there's
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: a lot of steps along the way, you know, there's
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: the writing step, there's the recording step, there's the you know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: the mixing step, and ever and the mastery, every all
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: of it it comes into play, and it's all we're
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: very hands on, yeah the whole time.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and just for my own interest, was mostly mostly
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: recorded first.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: And have you played it live?
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: We've never played it live. In fact, we've only ever
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: played Skin and Bones and Confession live so far, so
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: that we have got a lot of other songs that
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: we hope to bring into the fold at some point.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: And what's it recorded? I can't remember. I don't think
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: it was recorded first. I can't recall exactly. But we
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: we typically we would do like three songs a week
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: kind of or four maybe, and we would kind of
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: like say, all right, these are the four we're gonna
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: work on this week, and then we would sort of
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: tackle them piece by piece and then at the end
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: of the week we'd have kind of four of them done.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: And and we.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Didn't we didn't do like anti Bloom first and then
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: because we didn't know which songs we're going to be
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: on which record yet, Yeah, until like we started to
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: figure it out as we went. But going when we
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: when we went in on the first day. We didn't
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: even know what songs we were going to record. We
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: had like twenty five and we we didn't even know
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: how many we were going to record. So it was
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: a process, but it was also really looking back on it,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: it was tough, but I'm really glad, glad we did it,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: and it's I feel great about it.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I feel like better about it than any of our records.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: So starting I guess, starting way back when you guys did,
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: what are some of the things you've noticed from then.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Then to now.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: I mean that's a really broad question, but maybe within
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: yourselves as a band, how.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Have you grown?
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Hmmm.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I think we've developed, or I at least I can
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: speak for myself. You know, I've developed a lot more
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: confidence in what I can do, my abilities. I think
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I'm not scared of anything anymore. I think there were
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: times when I really was, you know, like I just
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: didn't know if I could I could do whatever I
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: was trying to do, and and I shied away from it.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: When now it's like, I'll try.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: And I remember even Sam saying that to me, our producer,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Sam saying, I love you because you're willing to try
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: anything and it's true, and I am and uh and
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I don't. I wasn't always like that, so you know,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I think I've developed that and I've I've developed a
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: new a newfound confidence. And it's interesting because, like you know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I think most bands when they get to the twenty
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: five year mark.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: You think of them declining in some way.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Whether it's like their creative creative output might not be
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: as good as their old stuff, or like maybe they're
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: the guys have a little more trouble hitting the notes
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: or whatever. And I really feel like we have just
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: done this and it's like a really honestly cool feeling
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: to be able to honestly say that.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: But it's not because it's because.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: We've worked hard and because we've there's been no shortage
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: of work and like like you know, no hiatuses do
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: just go go go and continue to work on a craft.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: And yeah, it's an awesome feeling, and it's exciting that
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: more people want to see us live than ever because
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: our shows are as big as ever too, so it
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: all it's.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: All working out.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: And you know, you caught me at a really good
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: time in our career to speak to this, because it
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: really does feel like it's it's like kind of the
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: pinnacle right now.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so awesome.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: And as you mentioned, bands after a certain point usually
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: do drop off a bit. It's very rare that they
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: still have that energy and tenacity and produce really good
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: songs by the way, after all that time.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: So absolutely, yeah, Testimate.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: And what was it you did mention Sam before? What
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: was it like working with him on both albums?
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: He's great. You know, he's our old friend from Toronto.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: He lives in La now and you know, I guess
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: this is his third album he's done with us. Yeah,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: now third in a row if you include these as
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: one album or if you don't, it's four.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: You know, it's cool because he was like this kid
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: in our scene, Like he's quite a bit younger than me,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: and he was like thirteen years old playing in a
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: band with like my friends, like some of my and
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: they're older than me, my friends. He was like this
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: little kid that they've got in their band. He's like,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: they're like, he's awesome. He's like an awesome kid, and
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: he's like an awesome drummer. And I knew him a
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: little bit. I kind of knew him as like like,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: why is there a thirteen year old kid? Yeah, maybe
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: maybe he was like fourteen, but yeah, like his mom
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: would drive him to shows.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: He couldn't drive a car or anything, and uh, and
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I didn't really know him. And then you know, he became.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Like obviously he's super talented, became like a big record producer,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: and you know, he just he I watch him continue
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: to grow too, you know, with his talent and his
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: art and his capabilities. Each record we do, each song
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: we do, you know, he gets better and better too.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: So yeah, he's he's incredible. I can't. I can have
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: nothing but amazing things to say about him.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Insane.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Imagine watching this little kid on a drum set and
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: then all of a sudden he's a huge producer.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Like that's crazy.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Any artists or bands that have really impressed you lately that.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: You're listening to, Yeah, there's two bands I'd like I'd
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: love to to reflect on real quick. They're both bands
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: we've toured with this year, and they both have albums
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: coming out on May sixty.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Both of them do on the same day on the
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: same day.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Arms Length band from Canada, uh just up the road
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: from US.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Awesome awesome.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Like, let's just call him an emo band, really really
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: cool band everybody needs to check out. And probably the
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: craziest band out there right now doing the wildest music
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: is the Callus Dow Boys from Atlanta, Georgia. Yes, it's
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: like everything from like synthpop to freaking death Corps. It
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: is like wild this this what this band does both
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: radically different. But my musical tastes are all over the place.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: So yeah, there's just there's a couple of recommendations for
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: for some stuff that's coming out super new not even
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: out yet.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: Sacredy my Life thatsh And if Silice you guys are
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: cover sorry you guys are going on tour with real friends.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: If you guys could cover any of their songs live,
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: which one would you pick?
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: And why, Oh my god, that's a really really tough question.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have to pull up their Spotify here, yeah,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: because yeah, well they what a band, right, I mean
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: they also have they have like they're kind of a
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: cool band too because they have like their old stuff
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: and then have their new stuff. And yeah, it's like
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: really hard to pick. Yeah, but I mean I don't know,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: late nights in my car, that's a pretty good song.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: I think that's from their first record, maybe that one.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I think we could do that. Just okay, I'm going
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: with that.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: And how about what made you guys decide to choose
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: them to come along on tour with you?
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Uh, well, we were doing the tour with them next
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: month in the in the US, and it kind of
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: just worked out with our schedules. They're there's a band
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: that we've really admired for a long time. And uh,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I kind of think they're they're kind of a cool, like,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: you know, not quite super nostalgic in terms of like
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: you know, oh they were coming up with us in
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: like two thousand and.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Three, but they're still kind of like that middle middle
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: era and I just I just think they're great and
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: they write with great lyrics.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't actually don't know their history of Australia,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: how many times they've been down there or anything, but yeah,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: we're really happy to bring them along.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah we could.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: And last few questions, post hardcore and emo have had
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: major resurgences in recent years.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: What do you think keeps those genres so timeless?
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: The lyrics?
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: And I think that that's I've really seen that a lot,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: you know with you know, like a festival like when
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: we were young, and you know, people just coming out
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: and drove sport and younger people discovering this music.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: It's because the lyrics are.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Timeless and it isn't like a genre like you know,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: like hair metal, Like people want to compare it to
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: hair metal, Like yeah, sure we both had bad haircuts,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: but they were also singing about like.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: You know, prs and faster women. It's like bullshit stuff
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: that has no emotional like content or anything.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Whereas like I was in my bedroom, you know, singing
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: about heartbreak and that is eternal. That is unfortunately timeless,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: and I think that people are always going to be
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: drawn to these to these songs and then this subject
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: because it's like it has that and it's raw and
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: it's real.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely, great answer. I really liked that. I
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: really I don't think I've heard that before, but I
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: think you're so right.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: It is the lyrics, because I'm like, why to this
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: day am I still hugely into emo music And you
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: know what.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: It's not the fucking recording so that a lot of
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the records are terrible, and like that's that could be
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: a hurdle for people to get past. Yeah, you know,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: but it's it's definitely yeah, it's definitely lyrics.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and because you guys were sort of the pioneers
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: of the you know, emo movement at the time, who
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: are your influences?
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Well, we were influenced by a lot of stuff. And
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: there's a band from our hometown called Grade.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: They were also on Victory Records, and they were kind
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: of like the I think the band that we took
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: the most from, both in terms of our sonic sound
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: and also just like sort of their ethic, like they
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: were they went to Europe, like they did all this stuff,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: you know, and was like, cool, well, if they did it,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: maybe we can too. So, you know, it was bands
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: like that and the get Up Kids, and you know
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: some of the like the hardcore like a Poison Well
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: was a big influence.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Hot Water music.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: It's some of those bands just just it's kind of
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: all over the place. But then again, our music is
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: kind of all over the place, so you know, it
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: kind of makes sense.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, a few different influences there. And you guys have
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: been in a band so long. Who's the most likely
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: in the band to miss sound check? Because they were
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: off chasing a kangaroo or something equally chaotic.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: In Australia, all of us we don't sound check. We
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: literally did not sound check anymore.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Really, no, we don't. We don't need to. We have.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: What happens is our sound guy records the show from
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the night before.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he plays it through the PA and he's says, cool,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: that sounds good.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: And then we don't have to be there.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: My god, that's nuts.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: And it's great because I don't have to wake up
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: at whatever time and have to sing and like maybe
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: blow up my voice or whatever.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: So yeah, oh damn, that's awesome, Shane.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: I'm running out of time. Zoom's going to kick me off,
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: but it's been amazing to talk to you.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, thank thank you so much, Angela, And I'll
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: see you in maybe Sydney.