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INTERVIEW: Hasan Piker Talks Democratic Socialists of America, Being Banned From The U.K., Anti-Zionism, Elon Musk + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Every day a week ago, clicks up
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  Speaker 2: Done morning, everybody's DJ n V, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne, the
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 1: We got a special guest in the building. Indeed, a
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  Speaker 1: sign pike are welcome. It's good to be here. How
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  Speaker 1: are you, man, How are you feeling. I'm a little tired.
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  Speaker 1: I've been I've been traveling quite a bit, even though
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  Speaker 1: they've stopped me from traveling places, not to the UK,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, I've been in I've been in New York
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  Speaker 1: for the week. I just did a DSA slate rally
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  Speaker 1: for all the New York City candidates last night with
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  Speaker 1: the Democratic Socialist of America. Yeah, yeah, I brought you
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  Speaker 1: guys merch from them. I don't know if you want it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, but I don't like to label myself anything.
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  Speaker 3: But if I did label myself something, it would be
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  Speaker 3: a democratic Democratic Socialist. Really yes, because I believe in capitalism,
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  Speaker 3: but I also believe.
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  Speaker 1: That, you know, we need to have social.
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  Speaker 3: Programs and play to take care of the least fortunate
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  Speaker 3: amongst us.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so you're like a social democrat, that's what it
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  Speaker 1: would be like. Okay, that's so it's not the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: Democratic socialism and social democrats different. There are definitely some
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  Speaker 1: social democrats in DSA as well. They would be to
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  Speaker 1: the right of DSA, so they're the DSA, right, Okay
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  Speaker 1: for the most part. Yeah, I mean it's all there.
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  Speaker 1: Just tell me what all of this stuff was considered
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  Speaker 1: radical to the average American politician. It's not so radical
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  Speaker 1: to the average American person, right, because if you ask,
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  Speaker 1: like regular folk, like do you want free health care?
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  Speaker 1: They'd be like, yeah, that makes so much sense. If
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  Speaker 1: you were like, hey, should we stop bombing random countries
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  Speaker 1: and instead, I don't know, spend money on building schools here,
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  Speaker 1: everyone would be like, yeah, no, that's a great idea.
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  Speaker 1: But in Washington, d C. That's a radical concept. They're like, whoa,
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  Speaker 1: what are you talking about?
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  Speaker 2: Well, for people that don't know who Hassan is, let's
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  Speaker 2: let's break down who he is. So you break down
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  Speaker 2: to people who've never heard of you the first time listening,
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  Speaker 2: first time watching you, who Hassan Pikers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a Turkish American political commentator. I grew up
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  Speaker 1: in Turkey my whole life. But I'm an American citizen.
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  Speaker 1: I was born here New jerseyorn here in New Jersey, well,
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  Speaker 1: not raised in New Jersey, but born in New Jersey.
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  Speaker 1: Went back to Turkey, grew up in Turkey, and then
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  Speaker 1: came back for college. I went to University of Miami
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  Speaker 1: for a year and then graduated from Rutgers, and I
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  Speaker 1: started working for my uncle because just like every other
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  Speaker 1: you know, twenty thirteen graduate at the time, I just
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  Speaker 1: impossible to get a job. So I was doing a
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  Speaker 1: free internship and then basically that turned into a very
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  Speaker 1: underpaid job. Yeah that was the That was the uncle
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  Speaker 1: nephew special for me. And oh it's Chank Weager, the
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  Speaker 1: young Turks. Yeah, you know him. Yeah, that's that's how
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  Speaker 1: we made that connection to begin with. But yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: I started working there. I was doing ad sales initially,
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  Speaker 1: but I you know, I graduated with a political science
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  Speaker 1: and comms double major, dual degree. I'm probably one of
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  Speaker 1: the only people that actually put both of those degrees
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  Speaker 1: the use. It's usually one of those things where you
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  Speaker 1: you have those degrees and you never end up using it.
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  Speaker 1: But I was fortunate enough and I'm a political commentator.
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  Speaker 1: I broadcast live on Twitch every day, seven days a week,
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  Speaker 1: eight hours a day. Usually I traveled the world, and
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  Speaker 1: I you know, I work with political organizers and unions
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  Speaker 1: and politicians and candidates to try to move American politics
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  Speaker 1: further to the left, hopefully the place from sports right.
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  Speaker 1: I play basketball. I I play basketball, but not like
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  Speaker 1: you know, nothing at the organized level. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not very good. Oh, thank you. That's very nice of
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  Speaker 1: you to say you don't believe. I don't know. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I thank you. You look stocking like a football.
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  Speaker 2: But you also said that you were banned from some
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  Speaker 2: countries for people that don't know explain why you were banned.
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  Speaker 1: Said, yeah, so recently, Well, I have Back in the day,
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  Speaker 1: I used to have like ops as like other Twitch streamers,
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  Speaker 1: you know, content creators, drama, And now it's turned into governments.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously the number one government opt that I have
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  Speaker 1: probably is Israel. They're not too fond of me. And
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  Speaker 1: then the American government is also apparently allegedly investigating me
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  Speaker 1: for doing a humanitarian aid mission to Cuba that I
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  Speaker 1: went on with the Journals Visa as well. There's supposedly
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  Speaker 1: some subpoena that I Fox News says I received. I
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  Speaker 1: never actually received the subpoena. And then now the UK
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  Speaker 1: has banned me and my uncle from traveling. Just criticism isrue.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, So focusing on the UK, right, because they
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  Speaker 4: said that you were bound on being you were black,
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  Speaker 4: from going on the grounds that your presence in the
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  Speaker 4: UK may not be conducive to the public good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they said. And it's a very opaque
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  Speaker 1: structure where they kind of make this decision and they
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  Speaker 1: don't even have to like, they don't even have to
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  Speaker 1: defend it. Now, obviously the UK doesn't have the same
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  Speaker 1: expansive First Amendment protections that we have. They don't have
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  Speaker 1: the same uh you know, they don't have the same
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  Speaker 1: level of protection over free expression, free speech. Uh, they
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  Speaker 1: have you know, hate speech statutes and whatnot. Having said that, uh,
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  Speaker 1: this is definitely an escalation and that it became a
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  Speaker 1: much larger issue both in the UK and internationally as
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  Speaker 1: a matter of fact, because like in the past, they
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  Speaker 1: had stopped Kanye West from traveling to the UK and
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  Speaker 1: also Valentino Gomez, who's another American rabble rouser. I mean
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  Speaker 1: these she was saying unbelievably hateful things. And and also
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  Speaker 1: you know some far right uh Polish ministers and numerous
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  Speaker 1: other people that were trying to go and and uh
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  Speaker 1: participate in a race riot that Tommy Robinson was putting together.
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  Speaker 1: So this is the first time where the Britch government
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  Speaker 1: decided to uh ban travel for objectively left people who
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  Speaker 1: obviously have not engaged in any sort of like bigoted
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  Speaker 1: or or hateful speech. They try to present it as
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  Speaker 1: hate speech, but it's most it's just Israel commentary. So
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  Speaker 1: it's just you being critical of Bibi nen Yahoo in
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  Speaker 1: Israeli a government mm hm. And not just that. I
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  Speaker 1: mean I I talk about the the ideology behind Zionism
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  Speaker 1: as a as a racist ideology as well. I think
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  Speaker 1: that's probably very frustrating for a lot of people to hear.
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  Speaker 3: But could you explain that because I've seen you say
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  Speaker 3: that you're not anti Semitic, yeah, but you're anti Zionist.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the different. I don't know what. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what what either, I don't know what. So
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  Speaker 1: so Zionism is like this intentionally vague concept and at
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  Speaker 1: its inception, it is a political movement of political ideology
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  Speaker 1: that sought a homeland for Jewish people, sought a homeland
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  Speaker 1: for Jewish people in well, they were testing out different places.
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  Speaker 1: Argentina was one of them as well, there were some
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  Speaker 1: there were different parts of Africa that they were also
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  Speaker 1: seeking out. And then they landed on what is now
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  Speaker 1: known as Israel, landed on historic Palestine, and it was
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  Speaker 1: a settler colonial enterprise and its inception. It's pretty open
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  Speaker 1: about it as well. You know, there's the the formative
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  Speaker 1: thinkers Jabotinsky and Theodore Herzel very openly declared that this
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  Speaker 1: was a colonialist endeavor, and that's how they got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of support from other colonialist endeavors at the time
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  Speaker 1: as well, other colonialist powers, you know, the Balfour Declaration
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  Speaker 1: with the British Kingdom and the like. And it's the
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  Speaker 1: the ideology is basically the easiest to define by the
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  Speaker 1: statement that they defined it by, you know, developing Israel
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  Speaker 1: for a land with people for people without land. Now,
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  Speaker 1: of course, the problem is there were people on that land.
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  Speaker 1: There were Palestinians on that land, right and therefore it
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  Speaker 1: turned into this expansionist, endless conquest. And initially a lot
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  Speaker 1: of Jews were very critical of it. There's a theological
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  Speaker 1: criticism of it as well. There's some Jews, like the
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  Speaker 1: Netakarta or some of the more fundamentalist Jewish sects that
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  Speaker 1: oppose the nation state of Israel's development before the Messiah comes.
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  Speaker 1: They find that to be wrong from a religious perspective.
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  Speaker 1: Then there's also obviously a lot of anti Zionist Jews
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  Speaker 1: as well who oppose it on the grounds that this
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  Speaker 1: is a fascist ideology and a settler colonial movement that
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  Speaker 1: is unbelievably destructive for all of the non Jewish population
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  Speaker 1: in the region, for the Palestinians, for the Arabs, the Christians,
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  Speaker 1: the Muslims alike. That's the same principle that I hold
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  Speaker 1: as well. That's why I say I'm an anti Zionist,
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  Speaker 1: and of course I'm not anti Semitic. Anti Semitism is
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  Speaker 1: a heinous, bigoted ideology that I've heard you say that
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  Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, and how are you considering antismitic?
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  Speaker 1: Because there's no real argument against anti Zionism, so you
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  Speaker 1: have to just kind of be like, oh, you're a
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  Speaker 1: hateful bigot. And it used to work like this was
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  Speaker 1: a very successful way to completely silence all manner of dissent.
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  Speaker 1: In the past. It just doesn't work anymore because, like,
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  Speaker 1: Israel's actions have been so transparent and so heinous since
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  Speaker 1: October seven that many people in the Western world recognize
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  Speaker 1: it now as such, and that I think that kicks
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  Speaker 1: start of the process of people also like diving a
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  Speaker 1: little bit deeper into the history of Israel and its
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  Speaker 1: development and its inception all the way from the knock
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  Speaker 1: by in nineteen forty seven or even prior to that,
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  Speaker 1: and it caused people to realize like, oh, we just
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  Speaker 1: didn't know anything about this process at all. We didn't
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  Speaker 1: know anything about the way that this this design looked
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  Speaker 1: like at all. Or they were you know, misguided, they
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  Speaker 1: were taught differently about how Israel was developed.
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  Speaker 2: Now I noticed, you know, following you, I see people
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  Speaker 2: criticize you a lot, right, Oh yeah, they say that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you criticize capitalism, but they also say, you
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  Speaker 2: make millions of dollars streaming. So what do you say
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  Speaker 2: to those people those individuals.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's when I was broke. I also advocated for
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  Speaker 1: the poor. And at that point they would be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're jealous, You're jealous of the wealth. You just want
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  Speaker 1: to steal their wealth and now I'm financially successful, and
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  Speaker 1: I say the exact same things. Now they say I'm
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  Speaker 1: a hypocrite. And the reality of the matter is, it's
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  Speaker 1: not about It's not about my financial circumstances at all.
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  Speaker 1: It's just about what I'm saying. I think people have
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  Speaker 1: internalized this idea that you cannot and it's not even
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  Speaker 1: just about like advocating for the poor, advocating for the
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  Speaker 1: working class. It's more so just about any kind of
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  Speaker 1: belief that a better future is possible. People look at
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  Speaker 1: that and there's deep cynicism and distrust. When they hear that.
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  Speaker 1: They go, there's got to be something here. He's selling
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  Speaker 1: me something. Meanwhile, on the other side of this equation,
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  Speaker 1: there are people who are selling you things. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like there are so many people who will just be like,
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  Speaker 1: I made it. I'm rich, I made I made the
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  Speaker 1: American dream happen for myself, and you can too, as
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  Speaker 1: long as you sign on to my course. You know,
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  Speaker 1: for sixty five dollars if you go to my discord server,
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  Speaker 1: I'll teach you all the tricks on how to be rich.
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  Speaker 1: And everyone like, there are a lot of people who
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  Speaker 1: want that. There are a lot of people who demand
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  Speaker 1: that they're desperate for it, And it's understandable that there's
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  Speaker 1: before it because a lot of people are struggling financially,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to create a much better solution to
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  Speaker 1: this problem because the problem is within the systems and
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  Speaker 1: not up to the individual. Sure, Oh, I'm sorry, No,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: No, That's why I want to hear more about being
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  Speaker 3: a democratic socialist because to me, I thought being democratic socialists,
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  Speaker 3: may you want economic power just to shift from corporations
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  Speaker 3: the working class individuals. You want the wealthy to be taxed,
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  Speaker 3: you want market regulations like that's what I Yeah, No,
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  Speaker 3: for sure, that's that's definitely one form of it, and
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  Speaker 3: and there's numerous different designs for for how to move
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  Speaker 3: this economy in a more productive way.
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  Speaker 1: I like the way I put it is, there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of potential in this world, and I think we're
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  Speaker 1: squandering it right. There's a lot of potential in this
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  Speaker 1: world that that is never unlocked because of which zip
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  Speaker 1: code someone was born into, or at the at the
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  Speaker 1: global level, which country someone was born into. If you're
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  Speaker 1: born on one side of a made up boundary that
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  Speaker 1: we created and you're being dominated by you know, countries
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  Speaker 1: like America or even Israel. In the circumstance you it's
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  Speaker 1: a lot harder for you to unlock your full potential.
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  Speaker 1: And I see that everywhere that I go, and it's
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  Speaker 1: very frustrating for me. So yeah, I want to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that there is this real material equality as a
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  Speaker 1: as a starting point that we offer to every single
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  Speaker 1: person and as long as we have that capacity, and
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  Speaker 1: we certainly do here in the United States of America
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  Speaker 1: is the wealthiest nation on earth, and yet seven hundred
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  Speaker 1: thousand people sleep outside every night like they don't have
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  Speaker 1: a house. I mean, that's crazy. That's a policy failure, right,
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  Speaker 1: And we can solve these problems. But the reason why
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  Speaker 1: we choose not to is the same exact reason why
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  Speaker 1: we have a surplus of food supply in the world,
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  Speaker 1: and yet you know, fourteen million people die every year
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  Speaker 1: due to famine related diseases. It's a matter of logistics,
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  Speaker 1: it's a matter of profit. So I don't care about profit.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's ridiculous, and I think we need to
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  Speaker 1: scale that back dramatically in the interim and then hopefully
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  Speaker 1: evolve away from our current design, our current understanding of
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  Speaker 1: who the economy is supposed to work for. And how
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  Speaker 1: do you balance.
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  Speaker 2: I would say, being an entertainer and also doing what
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  Speaker 2: you do right, because it has to be a line, right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, is a only when people online.
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  Speaker 1: As the activist right, but some of them are not entertaining.
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  Speaker 2: So how do you balance that line to keep people
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  Speaker 2: coming in to make sure you spread your message of
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  Speaker 2: whatever the message is that you want to put out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you have to be palatable. I think
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  Speaker 1: you can't just do you know, academic jargon all the time.
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  Speaker 1: You have to you have to have your interests and
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  Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes you have to be bold too.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel like that's a real issue on the left,
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  Speaker 1: or has been an issue on the left. I think
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  Speaker 1: we're changing that right now. There's a real incredible crop
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  Speaker 1: of talent coming out of the New York City DSA slate,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm very excited to work with them and see
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  Speaker 1: where we go from here. But overall, I think for
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  Speaker 1: the longest time, especially in America, the idea was that
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  Speaker 1: if you're on the left, if you're progressive, you're you're
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a woke skull, like you can't have fun, right,
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  Speaker 1: you have to you have to behave like almost like
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  Speaker 1: a hall monitor, and that's never how I've operated. Uh
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  Speaker 1: And and that's actually drawn some enmity from the left
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  Speaker 1: as well, where people will be like, oh, no, you're
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  Speaker 1: you know, you're you're not supposed to say certain things,
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  Speaker 1: You're not supposed to joke about certain things. But I
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  Speaker 1: think it's it's fine. It's fine to be able to
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  Speaker 1: have fun while also consistently pushing for a better future,
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  Speaker 1: because I think that's what the average person. That's where
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  Speaker 1: the average person is, right. Like people who are maybe
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  Speaker 1: not the most knowledgeable on certain issues, but like have
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  Speaker 1: a kind heart, are empathetic, and you can reason with them,
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  Speaker 1: and you can explain to them certain concepts, they're going
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  Speaker 1: to get on board with it and and they might
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  Speaker 1: even become advocates themselves. But they also want to have fun.
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  Speaker 1: And if you're running around telling people like no, you
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  Speaker 1: are not allowed to have fun because the current capitalist
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  Speaker 1: system is actually devastating for the working class. And if
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  Speaker 1: you actually enjoy things, if you watch a comedy special
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  Speaker 1: or something, you're you're participating in bourgeois decadence. Well, most
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: most people are going to look at it like that's
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  Speaker 1: that's weird. It's not a socialism is not a poverty cult.
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  Speaker 1: Socialism is not about taking a vow of you know,
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  Speaker 1: abstinence or taken a vow to never enjoy anything. It's
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  Speaker 1: actually about making sure that everyone can enjoy things, everyone
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  Speaker 1: can have some autonomy in their workplace, better time off,
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  Speaker 1: better conditions overall, and you know, pursue whatever hobbies they
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  Speaker 1: want to pursue, because what the hell is the point
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you know, we are
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  Speaker 1: we just on God's green earth to work every single
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  Speaker 1: day so that someone else can make money off of
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  Speaker 1: your labor, and then you get nothing in return, and
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  Speaker 1: the best you can hope for is like pay off
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  Speaker 1: your rent. And the only way that you can actually
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  Speaker 1: reach you know, the last level is if you're someone
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  Speaker 1: like myself or someone people like yourselves as well, who
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  Speaker 1: have basically won the lottery. Right, That's the way I
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  Speaker 1: describe it to people, where it's like I have won
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  Speaker 1: the lottery, and I continue to win the lottery every
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  Speaker 1: single day.
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  Speaker 2: Are you scared about that? Do you get nervous with
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  Speaker 2: some of the things that you do say? And we've
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  Speaker 2: seen this climate, this political climate, is government climate, just
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  Speaker 2: like it's very nasty, very disgusting, very revengeful. People listen
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  Speaker 2: to every word that you say and want to take
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  Speaker 2: revenge you on the things that you say. We've seen
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  Speaker 2: it with the President, We've seen it with country's banning youth.
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  Speaker 2: Are you scared? Are you nervous? And what are you
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  Speaker 2: doing to make sure that you know something doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: Happen to you? Well? Oh, as far as like, am
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  Speaker 1: I worried that someone is going to come after me?
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  Speaker 1: Someone's gonna kirk me, is what you're saying potentially? Yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean sure that's always a concern, But that's always
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: been a concern. I mean, I I think it's worse recently. Yeah,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: it's definitely got words, But I mean it's the worst
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: aspect of it now is. And it's not just like
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: I'm getting random death threats or whatever from Nazis or
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: dosing me and my family's trying to swap me. But
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: you got the New York Post coming up outside of
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: my house with a drone, with an actual drone tel
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Aviv style, taking photos outside of my home and and
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: putting that on blast on their on their website, and
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: it's like it's it's a it's a joke, but it's
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: become this reality where it's like, oh, you have you
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: offended the sense abilities of wealthy people, billionaires. Here's a
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: photo outside of your house, just the reminder you know,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: you're not You're not impossible to reach and and that's
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: kind of the fear that they want to foment. But
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: from my perspective, this is unfortunately a natural part of
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: the process. If you're I've been saying the same things
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: for many, many years. The government never came after me
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: like this. It's not like I changed anything. What changed
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: is the environment. What changes that. People are actually a
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: lot more receptive to this message now, So now it's
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden a real threat. Uh So, that's
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: always going to be a fear that I have. But
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I can't let fear guide me. I can't let fear
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: change what I say and don't say, because someone's got
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: to say it. And luckily I'm stubborn.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: You know, that's an interview you did. It was like
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: an ice process, and you said that the government is
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: targeting activists.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: You feel like that, Oh, for sure, But the government's
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: always targeted activists. Yeah, I mean, there's there's already tremendous
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: suspicion around numerous key figures and Black Lives Matter protests
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: all the way from the Obama administration as well, that
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: have all died by suicide. Uh. It's you know, strange phenomena.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: And obviously we know that this there is a historic
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: precedent for this the American government, Yes, exactly, So that's
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: that's always been the case, right And outside of that,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I think there is a lot more apprehension of even
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: like student protesters and whatnot nowadays. I mean, I believe
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Michigan restarted another case with the federal government for student activists.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I think it was I believe it was seven of
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: them that are now being prosecuted by the federal government.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I want to get the details wrong, but I looked
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: into it because they cash Hotel comes out and he's
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: like talking about this thing as though they got Osama
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: bin Laden. Basically, it turns out they they they filled
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: up balloons with red pain and they were gonna throw
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: it at the houses of like the Deaner something a
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: bunch of students, you know. I mean, that's this is like,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: it's not great, but you know, this is not you
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: haven't uncovered a grand conspiracy there isn't anything uh, you
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: know material here. These are people who are understandably frustrated
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: about uh, their their you know, school's lack of interest
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: in hearing out the majority, uh, the majority opinion on
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: on Israel Palestine. A lot of these schools have direct
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: financial ties, uh to the Israeli state and therefore the
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Israeli military. Right and and understandably students want to sever
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: that in the same exact way that students uh demanded
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: boycott's divestments and sanctions from apartheid South Africa, right Uh
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: And and you know this has this been done before.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Of course, Israel was a big ally to apartheis South
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Africa at the time. As a matter of fact, they
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: were spying on American students, Jewish students as well. Jewish
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: anti Apartheite activists were being spied on. Black activists were
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: being spied on by the a d L, the Apartheid
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Defense League or the Anti Defamation League at the time
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: in the nineties was a court case. And I think
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Israel learned a lot of lessons from the failures of
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: apartheid South Africa. And you know, and that's part of
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: the reason why they're apartheid has been far more resilient
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: than the South African one.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Have you had conversations with, like, you know, Jonathan Green
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Black from the Anti Defamation League.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I've been trying. I would love to. I mean, on
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: the on the back end, I tried to make something happen,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: and he has been very resistant to it because I mean,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: what conversation are we going to have? Damn, that's how
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: it goes. Yeah, just to cook just never know.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: You said, what kind of conversations could you have? I
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: think that it could be a conversation that could help
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: people not see you as anti Semitics.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: I don't I hear you speak out against anti semits often?
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Why, Yeah, I know, Yeah. I think here's the thing.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I think Jonathan green Black knows I'm not anti Semitic.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I think that's the reason why he's coming after me.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's a confusion the reason why he's
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: coming after me and not like you know, there's there's
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: definitely some vicious anti Semites out there right now right
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: The reason why he's doing that is because none of
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: those guys are gonna convert his nieces and nephews, and
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: that is a major problem. You know, because I because
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I've spent completly what anti Zionism. Okay, yeah, and I
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: think and I have, and I think that's a big
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: problem for UH, for the Zionis lobby, it's a big
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: problem for the for the multimillion dollar advocacy network that
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: exists in an effort to ensure that young American Jews
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: feel a sense of connection to the State of Israel,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: even if they don't go there, even if they don't
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: want to live there, even if they never will live there,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: they they still feel like they have this association with
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: the state of Israel and defend the State of Israel.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: And it's it's been fairly successful, uh, these initiatives. I
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: mean it starts to like j school, you know, camp
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: uh and and it goes all the way to UH
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: any kind of community organizing because a lot of Jewish
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: institutions UH still and this is you know what my
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: members of my community have told me, like a sense
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: of loss that they feel once they come out and
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: tell their parents that they are opposing Israel. They they
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: no longer can can participate in a lot of these
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: community events because they they they get chastised.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Isn't there nuance to that though, because I feel like, should
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: you oppose Israel or should you oppose the Israeli government?
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah? No, I because I feel like when you say
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: oppose Israel is generalizing a whole. Yeah. No, I'm i
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: it's it's by design. I oppose Zionism as an ideology.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with people living there if
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: they if they lived in a single, solitary, secular state,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: there would still be a lot of issues. I think
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: there'd probably be a lot. It would resemble the reconstruction
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: era here, but you know, there'd be some growing pains.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, as long as
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: everybody got equal say and equal rights and equal representation
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: as opposed to the current occupation structure that exists, then yeah,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: it's fine. It's a country just like any other country,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: and there's going to be problems there right now. Israel
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: is exceptional in some ways where it's not like any
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: other country, and I think a lot of its defenders
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: try to present it as such. Israel is not dissimilar
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: to how countries were formed, you know, maybe in you know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: maybe one hundred years ago or two hundred years ago
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: or three hundred years ago, but this kind of siege
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: warfare in twenty twenty six is obviously going to be
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: deemed unacceptable by by people who do believe in you know,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: liberal values and humanitarian values, because we should oppose it.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: That's what we learned. We learned in school that this
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: is unacceptable when when you know, nations of the past
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: did it. We're supposed to acknowledge that it was unacceptable
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: when America did it. Now, the problem is some people
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: don't want to acknowledge that right because this is a
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: settler colonial occupation as well, and its inception, that's how
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: America was started as well, the mass slaughter of the
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: indigenous population and the continuation of chattel slavery after that.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: So it's taken a long time for America to try
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: to heal some of these racial wounds. And let's be real,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: it's not having it's not exactly there's it's not not
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: exactly a success story. Having said that, however, I think
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: it's it's uh, it's still probably better than the conditions
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: in Gaza, you know what I mean. So that's that's
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: what I want to stop. And I think the reason
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: why the Israeli society broadly has shifted so far to
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the right in a matter of decades. Is because of
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: this this ideology that guides Israeli society. It's Zionism and
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: which I, by the way, have no problems like equating
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: to fascism because it is a fascist ideology, and even
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: make these comparisons to Nazi Germany, which is very frustrating
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: for a lot of people, they say, that's anti Semitic.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: What what principle of guide your foreign policy views. I
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: want to uplift everyone. I want to make sure that
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: no one is nations of the periphery are are no
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: longer being dominated by America and no longer being dominated
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: by by you know, the American empire, Western imperialism in general.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: For the same reasons that I mentioned earlier. There's tremendous
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: potential there and I think we should unlock that potential.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: We will allow people to thrive, right, and that's not
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: going to happen with the current design that we have.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Because they have natural resources, we have to dominate them.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: We have to subjugate them, sometimes directly through military intervention
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: and other instances through economic subjugation. By way that I
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: am after World Bank with these conditional loans that we
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: offer and then there's like the implementation of all these conditions,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: tremendous austerity, privatization. You can only use the Western loans
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: that we're giving you. And this happens very frequently in
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Africa and the rest of the developing world as well,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: where they come in they say, hey, we're gonna give
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: a puppet government a lot of money. It's Western money.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: You're gonna have to pay it back. But there's also
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: conditions that come along with it. You can never have autonomy,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: you can never have a national you know, agricultural output
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: on your own. You have to have reliance to to
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: you know, Western agriculture. We do this by way of
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: USA as well. Sankara opposed this quite vehemently at the time.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: And not only not only can you not have nationalized services,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: these services that you are hiring or Western services. So
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: it's money cycling back to Western enterprise, it's money cycling
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: back to Western capital. Now that's not good for the
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: people living in the periphery in these countries, but it's
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: also not even beneficial for Americans either. Sure, for the
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: American farmer, they get to send their rice to Somalia,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: they get to send their grain to Somalia. Somalia doesn't
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: develop its own indigenous productive capabilities, so they're dominated on
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: the front. And then maybe the farmer is making a
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: little bit of money, but that's one farmer, right, it's not.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: The farm hands are still undocumented, half of them, more
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: than half of them. They're being dominated by the American government.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: They're terrified of their current predicament on US soil. The
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: documented farm hands are also experiencing diminished wages as a
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: consequence of this alternative that's there, that's being purposely kept
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: as an underclass for cheap labor. That's very beneficial for
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: the capital owners. And it's a downward spiral. It's a
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: race to the bottom all the way down. So I
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: always say American domination around the globe I think makes
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: weak people feel good about themselves. It almost reminds me
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: at the domestic level of the LBJ quote. You know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: tell the lowest white man that he's higher than the
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: highest black man, and he'll open up his wallets for you.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like that. There are a lot of
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Americans who are like, well, you know, they're going to
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: find out why we don't have healthcare. When we're talking
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: about like dominating the ansol all law movement in the
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: m and the houthis right. This is the poorest country
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: on the planet, a country that has withstood famine, and
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: now we're using our multi billion dollar military and all
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: of its might to what bomb some of the poorest
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: places on the planet. Make you feel powerful? It doesn't
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: make me feel powerful. And it's certainly not financially beneficial
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: for me or you or anybody else. Really, it's only
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: financially beneficial for parasitic capitals, financially beneficial for Raytheon, It's
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: financially beneficial for Lockheed Martin. It's financially beneficial for the
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: military industrial complex that will then look at the deployment
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: of those weapons, watch their stock prices go up, and
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: then go back to the government and say, see, you've
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: expended all of these munitions, we have to make new ones.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: How is that good for anybody else?
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: So you think America should scale back his global role
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: and not trying to be America's not trying to be
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: a world's policeman.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, one hundred percent. I think it's happening already, and
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I think we need to manage this decline because look,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: it was a very dominant empire. Right, But empires rise
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: and then they fall, and I think we are at
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: the death of American empire. And I hope that we
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: can wake up to that reality as quickly as possible
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: and instead of being fearful of what the alternative is,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: because a lot of people go, oh, what about what
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: if Russia becomes the America of the world, or what
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: if China becomes the America of the world. What if
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: they become the global hedgemon. That's going to be far worse.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I think cooperation with these other great powers, other regional
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: powers is charting a much better path forward rather than
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: constantly behaving like we're in a state of war, because
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: it's also not true. Right, Trump talks about how he
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: hates China, and then look how he behaved when he
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: actually went to China. I mean he was glazing Gee,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: he was glazing him. And the reason for that is
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: also because China is responsible for thirty percent of our trade,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Like what kind of war could we ever wage with China?
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Like there's no equivalence to like the Cold War USSR,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: where we were at least decoupled from the USSR. There
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: were different around the world that we're you know, trading
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: with the USSR versus trading with America, whereas China trades
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: with the entire world. It's the industrial engine of the
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: entire planet at this point, and it's certainly unbelievably important
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: for American manufacturing as wells. On the one hand, we're
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: we tell this live, We're on the one hand, we're like, yeah,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: they're so scary, they're gonna they're gonna do to us
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: what we've done to everyone, including them at different points.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: But meanwhile, all they're trying to do is just you know,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: sell La booboos and and even sell the the magnets
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and the rare earth minerals that they have a monopoly on,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: the on the procurement of and the refinement process on
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: back to the United States of America, and some of
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: those some of those materials go into the missiles that
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: we use that we want to develop for And the
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: term for this in foreign policy is is a peer
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: adversary or near peer adversary. The Tomahawk missile that we've
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: been using on Iran, you know, blowing up schools where
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: little girls are going to school, those are the munitions
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: that we have developed against China. So they're selling us
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: the components that we put in these missiles so we
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: can then I guess at some point use against China.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: It's all fraud. I think everybody understands that that's silly.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: It's not going to be productive. You're not going to
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: make enough money in that process. But as long as
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: you agitate, as long as you egg it on and
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: people are fearful of this, then you can justify spending
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: more and more money on American defense instead of spending
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: money on schools, and spending money on healthcare, and spending
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: money to fix our broken infrastructure to get better broadband access,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: I mean TUBOC added the best and it's very simple,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: but you know they got money for war.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: We can't feed the poor. Yeah.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Where do you disagree most with both Republicans and Democrats
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: on foreign piles?
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, foreign policy, unfortunately is uniparty in this country, right.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I mean we saw this with Israel as well. The
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: genocide started under Joe Biden, and Joe Biden flew to
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Israel after October seven, gave a bear hug to Benjamin
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: nin Yahoo kept fake, fake, imposing red lines, and then
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: you know Yahoo would would dog walk them and and
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: and violate those red lines flagrantly openly. And that's literally
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: now happening with Donald Trump. So, you know, power shifted
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: from Democrat the Republican, and yet American foreign policy continued.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: So that is my number one problem with both the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Democratic Party and the Republican Party. There aren't a lot
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: of real fighters who look to the situation and say
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: we got to change something, like we have to scale
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: this back. This is not tenable, this is not working
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: out for us, and it's it's actually been a spectacular
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: failure with Iran. You know, sometimes I jokingly refer to
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: this as like the IRGC being the only political force
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: on the planet that has been able to successfully oppose MAGA,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: successfully oppose trump Ism, and they fought back militarily. They
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: shut down the Strait of Hormuz. And that's the reason
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: why Donald Trump is constantly in this state of panic
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: where he keeps saying, oh, there's a ceasefire. He said
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: it thirty eight times. Today is the thirty ninth time
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: that Donald Trump is officially declared a ceasefire, and yet
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: there's still back and forth explosions in the Strait of Hormones.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, they took out Israel Baum last weekend. Yeah,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: they took out the IRGC's navy that was supposed to
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: be destroyed, or potentially it's air force that was also
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: supposed to be destroyed. According to Donald Trump, took out
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: an American Apache helicopter near the Gulf of Oman at
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the Strait of Hormones. That's a fifty million dollar helicopter.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Man is a fifty million dollar helicopter that they took
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: out with a basically a flying lawnmower that cost them
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: ten grand to make. That they release off of the
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: back of like pick up that they that they're able
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: to like solder these launching platforms onto they're inside of
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: these cave systems. They have this very complex but fairly
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: successful defense system called this like mosaic structure that's decentralized.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: And from the moment that the American and Israeli governments
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: decided that they were not invested in this negotiation whatsoever,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: when you know, the Irani negotiators were saying, like, we'll
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: concede on all of these issues that you want us
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: to concede on, as they had done so in the
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: past with Obama with the JCPOA. When American Israel used
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: the shroud of negotiations in an act of perfidy to
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: just attack Iran and blow up a school in minob
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: and kill one hundred and sixty eight little girls going
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: to school and decapitate the entire leadership structure. The new
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: guys that came in were much more hardcore. They immediately
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: started fighting back, and and it's it hasn't been great
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: at all. I know that we try to maintain this
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: position in America as though the war efforts are going great,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: and I think for the most part, people just look
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: to how much they're paying at the gas pump to
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: figure out whether things are going well or not. But
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: it's complete chaos for the rest of the world right now.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, twenty percent of the entire world's energy supply
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: transits through the Strait of Hormus is twenty one miles wide. Okay,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: it is directly slammed between Oman and Iran, and Iran
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: can very easily control who gets to go through the
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Strait of Hormus because it's you know, twenty one miles long.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: And for the for the supertankers that carry all of
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: the you know, the millions of barrels, like there's only
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: two miles that they can cross through. You put some
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: you put some minds in there. It's over right. You've
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: disrupted the entire world's energy supply. Oil is a global commodity.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: There's inelastic demand, so you have to get it. You know,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: there's no alternative if you don't get oil. If there's
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: a complete blockade of oil, or if there's a not
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: enough oil in the in the international market, then it's
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: bedlamit's chaos. I've seen it with my own two eyes.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: We've created this chaos in Cuba, ninety miles off of
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: our coastline, where Donald Trump implemented a full blown oil blockade.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: It's devastation, it's it's it's horrible. And now Donald Trump
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: is doing that to the rest of the world. Is
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: that why he wants Cuba covid oil? Well, Cuba doesn't
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: have any oil, so what if you want to go
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: in Cuba? For the Cuba thing is actually very interesting.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's like a boomer hang up.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: For the most part, it's kind of like Haiti uh
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: where where there is this attitude amongst the the you know,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: American capitalists and the the people that that dominate American
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: politics that that want to constantly punish countries that have
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: had successful revolutions. Haiti had a successful slave revolution, a
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: slave rebellion. Uh and and you know, the Western forces
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: never never stopped punishing them for it, right, they had
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: to pay reparations to Frances And they've constantly been deliberately
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: destabilized just to you know, show just to just to
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: prove a point, basically, to say, like, you can't do that,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: uh and and be liberated and live free. And a
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: similar thing happened in Cuba. Cuba had uh a a
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: successful revolution. It wasn't even a communist revolution initially at
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: its inception, it was an agrarian revolution. It was a
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: national revolution. It was for sovereignty and dignity for the
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Cuban people. They were being dominated by this guy named
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Batista who was an American puppet. And you know, there
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: were a lot of financial interests, you know, sugar plantations
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: and and you know, Cuba was a safe haven for
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: the mafia for tourism uh and and gambling. Uh This
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: was obviously devastating for the you know, for the Cuban population,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: but it was great for American capital interests. Uh And
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: And when they made some changes in developed autonomy, developed
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: sovereignty and dignity. America very quickly implemented an embargo and
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: never stopped punishing Cuba. But at the time, of course,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: the USSR aided in the development of Cuba and the
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: continuation of their their sovereignty. But since the fall of
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: the USSR, since the dissolution of the USSR, obviously, Cuba
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: has been in a really horrible situation.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: I want to ask you one more question about that,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: just before we move on about social media.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Stough.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Jerry Seinfeld right walking em screet other day, going to
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: the next game. Somebody, somebody ask him to free Palestine.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: He says it doesn't exist. Yeah, what does that mean?
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: He's just a gross racist. You know. That's what it is.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: There's it's there's common there's common talking points amongst amongst Zionists,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: amongst defenders of Israel, and one of them is the
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: idea that Palestine is not a real place, uh and
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: that Palestinians are not a real concept. Some of them
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: claim that it's a socialist invention. Some of the claim
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: that Arafat invented this concept. It's not true. I mean
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: it Palestine existed under Ottoman occupation initially under the Ottoman Empire,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: and then it became a British holdover occupied state British
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: occupied Palestine. So it's existed for far longer than Israel,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: as Israel's only existed since nineteen forty eight. Palestine has
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: existed far beyond Israel. So both places have a right
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: to exist.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Because I hear people that are anti Israel, they'll say
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: edral doesn't have a right to exist.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I think Israel in its current formation, given that it's
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: a settler colonial operation that's seeking out the expulsion or
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: complete extermination of the indigenous population as an apartheid state,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: does not have a right to exist. It's like for me,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: it's like saying, does Nazi Germany have a right to exist?
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Or does Aparthei South Africa have a right to exist?
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Does Rhodesia have a right to exist? No, of course not.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: People have a right to exist. People do exist. Israel
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: currently exists. It's just a matter of are they following
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: international humanitarian laws? And they certainly are not. Uh and
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: and I want to change that. So it's like saying
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Maggot doesn't have a right to exist, like like like
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: a movement exactly, like that doesn't mean that, you know,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean kill all Republicans or whatever. Right, I mean,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that's how people would present it as. I mean,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: this is this is a trick that every political movement deploys. Right,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: you say black lives matter, they turn around and say, oh,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: how about all lives matter. You're you're saying black lives matter,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: which means you're saying white lives don't matter. It's like, no,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: that's a whole different sentence. Uh. So the the does
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Israel have a right to exist? Uh deployment as a
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: as a statement, as a question is a technique to
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: shift the conversation away from Israel's crimes against the Palestinians. Uh,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: to to make it seem like the opposition is actually
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: being crazy and they want like all Jews to be exterminated,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: all Israelis to be exterminated, which is not the case. Uh.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: That's not a real point of advocacy. It's certainly not
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: my advocacy.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: What do you think about the concept of techno feudalism.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: So we're at the tail end of capitalism, and capitalism
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: is morphing into this thing called techno feudalism.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: So another person who's been stopped from traveling around the youth.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Not the UK, but in Germany. Jannis Varafaucus wrote about
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: this techn He's he's the man. I love him. Uh
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: and you know, I'm honored to see him as a
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: peer in a colleague nowadays. But you tell him, I
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: would love to have him on, Oh he would, he
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: would definitely come on. He's so he's so charismatic too.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: He's so handsome. He's another one of those rich socialists. Okay,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: but he was the finance minister of Greece. Uh and uh. Anyway,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: so he's he's wonderful, he's brilliant, and yes, I do
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: agree with his analysis that the the new dominion is
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: one that is being fought on the internet, one that
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: is being fought through these tech companies. I'll give you
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: one example that actually ties back to my own personal experience. Right. So,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: PayPal and Vemo are American companies, And when I went
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: to Cuba, I found out that there are many. They
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: keep coming after you every time I talk about Cuba
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: or Israel, you just keep getting notified. Oh so I
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: was talking to some people that were out there. Now
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: obviously America has tremendous restrictions over what you can and
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: can't do in Cuba. These are arbitrary, They're ridiculous. They
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: literally will can send you to prison for ten years
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: if you stay in the wrong hotel. Unbelievable stuff. Right now,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: no such restrictions exist if you're a Canadian, or if
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: you're Mexican, or if you're from any other part of
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: the world. These countries all have totally normal relations with Cuba.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Of course, they can't really trade with Cuba because they're
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: worried that America will will deploy secondary sanctions on them,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: So that obviously harms the Cuban economy in a spectacular manner.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: But one of these insidious ways in which American tech
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: companies get to enforce their arbitrary rules over two totally separate,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: independent sovereign nations is when if you were let's say,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: an Italian person right sending your Swiss friend money, and
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: you wrote Cuba libre because you you know, when you
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: got the Cuba Leber drink, right and you wrote that
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: in your Vemo payment, they shut down your account. This
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: is an American company that gets to to impose these
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: arbitrary restrictions that are silly on the entire world that
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: uses these American tech companies. And if there's no European alternative,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: then there's no European sovereignty there. Right, If you're on
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: American Internet, if you're using American companies, and they've provided
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of new liberties for you, a lot of
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: opportunities for you, you know, like YouTube is another one. Right,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: then in the interim you think, oh, it's fine, you know,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: we're I'm I'm just making YouTube videos, this whatever, it's
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, is not a big deal.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: But you're actually generating value for America. So for these
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: other countries, they don't have an alternative, they've never designed
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: an alternative, so they have this over reliance on American companies.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Sometimes that can lead to these arbitrary restrictions that I
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: just mentioned, and in other instances, I guess the most
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: nefarious way is that it's a bunch of American capitalists
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: that are making money off of your labor, off of
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: your output, off of what you are doing. And that's
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: part of the reason why you know, a lot of
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: these other countries, due to national security concerns, initially have
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: developed alternatives I mean in China, I went there, all
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: the all the applications are Chinese. Uh, there's no you know,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: they don't you need a VPN if you want to
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: use American applications, and most Chinese people don't use them,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: or they use a VPN to to go on you know,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: the Western Internet. That's not just so that you know,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Chinese people are not brainwashed by American culture or anything
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: like that. I mean, they have their own robust industry,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: they have their own cultural output. But a big part
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: of the reason is because they want to have financial
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: control for the Chinese by the Chinese, rather than you know,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: give all of this, give all this wealth and give
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: all this productivity to American corporations. And Europe is now
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: looking for alternatives as well to the American companies, to
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: American tech companies.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: Well, one thing that Yannis talks about in the book
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: is he talks about how you know, these algo bosses
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: is what he calls them. They monetize our emotions and
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: the greatest currency in the cloud capital is conflict. So
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: so has outrage become a business model?
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, I mean it's it's always what has sold
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: newspapers as well, but it bleeds it leads. Yeah, yeah,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: for sure. But but yeah, this is definitely I mean
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: it's it's more it's more dangerous than that because we've
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: never had, due to technological limitations, this level of involvement
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: in what people feel about themselves and about others, right,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can you can conduct a psychographic profile
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: on a on a person down to the zip code,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: down to the house and and figure out, you know
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: what time of the day where they're more likely to
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: order a McDonald's hamburger, and and then you can adjust
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: the pricing, as many of these apps are doing now
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: to make sure that if it's rush hour, they are
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: more likely to spend an extra dollar on a burger.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: So they do these the prices are not fixed. They
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: do that for flights too.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: I see that certain times where people are looking to
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: go on vacation or to have time off, the flights.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: To be your cache, like you clear out your cache
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: so that they don't know, like which flights you're tracking
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: stuff like that.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder do they know there are a certain
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: period of point in the day where people are the
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: most angry. I'm not even king, I'm sure I'm creators
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: are being rewarded for keeping people angry. These platforms are
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: being rewarded for keeping people angry. Like certain times to
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: day you'll see something get thrown out there and you'll
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: spend all day arguing about it.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: You learn that when you're enter a newsroom not this
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: is the time to day they're angry. But like on
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: the weekends, people don't want all of that. They want
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: to have like conversations. They want to feel good Monday, Tuesday,
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: Wednesday heavy hitters. Yeah, like you, that's the thing that
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: you learn.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, every time I go on Twitter, I'm angry.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: So I think every moment, every moment of the day
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: that I waste on Twitter, is a moment where I'm
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: more angry than I was before I got on Twitter.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you're being targeted, I'm sure.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, these technologies they're targeting your feet on purpose.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: With me, you probably arguing with bots all day and
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: don't even know.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, I am, and I still do it.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: I was going to say, because like, how do you
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: ration out in a mix of all of this, right,
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: because your platform is so big, but there's also this
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: whole business structure and model that people are Like I
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: don't want to support or I do support.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I I just know what I believe.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: I have a moral compass and I abide by that
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: and I and I keep pushing regardless of whether people
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: appreciate what I'm doing or not. And my in my experience,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: most of the people that have developed a negative attitude
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: about me or what I do have never actually encountered
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: me without some kind of negative filter. And let's be real,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: I pissed off a lot of very wealthy people, including
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk. Now, sure, maybe I brought that on myself.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I've had now two of his baby mamas on my stream,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: uh and and his his wonderful trans daughter who is
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: way cooler than he is. Uh. And I think that's
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: probably frustrated him quite a bit. I know that has,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: but you know, I oppose his his position of power
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: in general. And one of them said that he straight
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: up helped to steal the election or the election, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Sat Claire was talking about how like Elon was. I
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: saw those text means, yeah, he was like he was.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: He was implying that he might have done something like
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: I think, Uh, there's there's definitely Uh, it's it's I
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: don't know if that's like proof enough.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: I think nothing off limits when it comes to that.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Like you said, you you know, you spoke those baby
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: moms on the stream. You had his trans though in
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: the stream. It's nothing off limits when it comes to
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: streaming or what you want to discuss.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: The talk they're talking about the state of the world.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: IM yeah, something don't they.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Don't talk, you know, because you and Eline don't don't
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: mess with each other. But some people will keep it
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: into just me and Elon or just the politics. So
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: just to this, but when you have somebody's family on
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: their daughter on there, you know, I.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Mean, this is the most powerful person on the planet, right.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: The the the people that are close associates at some
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: point in their lives are also become powerful by design, right,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: So I think it's it's good to develop a better
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: understanding of this guy who has tremendous like demi godlike
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: powers basically over the American economy, over the global economy.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: A guy who's like you know, creating riots in places
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: like the UKID this is happening right now. There's like
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: anti immigrant programs taking place in Belfast at this moment,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: and Elon Musk has been fully in support of that.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: You know, people mass thugs have been running around roam
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: in the streets looking for black and brown homes and
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: tossing Molotov cocktails into these houses. And Elon has been
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: fully in support of that. And I know for a
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: fact that Twitter has played a major role in that.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: So it's not just about like ruining your day because
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: you saw something on your for you page that really
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: pissed you off. There are far worse existential consequences off
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: of the algorithm. Hustlers that turn around and manipulate the
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: way people feel about certain things. They egg it on.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: They lean into pre existing social constructs that have been
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: very powerful at motivating a lot of the masses and
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: keeping the masses divided. Really, I mean why supremacy is
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: one of these tools? Right? And Elon hits that button
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: all the time. And I think it's important to understand
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: what his ideological journey looks like. And he's not going
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: to come on my stream anytime soon and have a
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: normal and honest conversation with me. So if there's any
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: other way that I can develop a better understanding of
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: the most powerful person and on the planet and their
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: their background and what motivates them. Then I'm going to
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: take that opportunity. Do algorithms make compromise and possible? No,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: because I think this the greatest solution to that. That
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: I always stress to my audience and to whoever will listen,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: is going out in the real world. I know that
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: it's almost become a mantra. That's a cliche. They you know,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: go out and touch grass, but it's real. I think
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: organizing is a is a real antidote to all of
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: this chaos, because at the end of the day, when
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: you're in the real world and you're having a person
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: in person conversation, that is still a million times more
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: valuable and more reliable than you know, things that you
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: see on the Internet from faceless, anonymous bod accounts that
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: have been unleashed on the American Internet. Why does Representative
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Randy Fine want you deport it? He said you should
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: be banned from the US. Yeah, he's worried I'm gonna
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: eat is Burger. That's why that's fat shaming. Yeah, I mean,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: come on, I was, I'm a former fat I got
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: the card. Yeah. But yeah, he's I mean, he's an
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: odious figure. I mean he's repulsive. It's it's he's disgusting
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: his world views. You're odious. No odious? Yeah, like repugnant,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: like he is. He's disgusting. And no, it has nothing
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: to do with him being fat, Like yeah, I'm talking
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: about his worldview. I mean it's disgusting, it's racist. I mean,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: he's he said heinous things like oh, if given the opportunity,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: I'd choose dogs over Muslims, you know, a thousand times
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: over or whatever. It's like, I mean, he he loves Israel.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: That's what it is. He really loves Israel. He's Israel first.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Uh and uh he he doesn't really care about, uh,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: what kind of damage that does to discourse in America.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: He's first and foremost primarily occupied with defending the interests
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: of a foreign nation state. And he doesn't even hide
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: it because he doesn't have to hide it, right, because
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: there's no punishments for it. There's no there's I mean,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: people hate him, but it doesn't really matter at the
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: end of the day, because Trump likes him, and Trump
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: is also a servant of the Israeli state, So you
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: can get away with being a horrible monster and say
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: disgusting things even as a congress person, and no one
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: will censure you. I mean where she did to leave,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: wonderful figure. I love her. She's Palestinian and early on
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: she delivered a speech and at the end of the
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: speech she said, from the river to the sea, Palestine
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: will be free. They censured her. Democrats participated in this
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: censuring as well. They've yet to censure Randy Fine, you know.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: And it's the same thing for I mean, there's a
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: dual condemnation bill by Josh Gotttheimer he's a New Jersey
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: congress person, and Mike Lawler, he's a New York congress person.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: They put out this dual condemnation bill. It's a messaging bill.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: It's irrelevant, but it's to apply pressure to these platforms
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: that give me safe harbor, allow me to communicate my
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: dangerous ideas. And they they did this dual condemnation bill,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: and they said, you know, Candice Owans and Hassan Piker
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: are anti Semitic, and we oppose them. Now, that's not
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: going to pass regardless, right, but it's not supposed to pass.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: It's just to put it in the record that you know,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: you're doing the bidding of your big donors. Somewhere out there,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: a big donor makes a phone call says, let's put
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: something together, let's do this dual condemnation bill. They say, yes, sir,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: and they get to work. They they don't do that
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: for people who like They don't do that for Elon Musk, right,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Elon must sighiled twice at inauguration, you know. And it's
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: the same with this UK band too. I mean, Elon
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Musk has participated in actual race rights. He has foaement
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: to actual racial division in place like the UK, uh
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: in you know, places like Germany as well, and he
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: can travel to these countries with these But if you
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: oppose Israel all of a sudden, even if you're a
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: twitch streamer, which is laughable in compared like, the amount
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: of influence and power that I have is negligible in
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: comparison to Elon Musk. Right, and you do, I'm sure,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure I have some motion, right, I mean,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm here in your diffluence elections.
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: Aren't Isn't your a Twitch stream like one of the
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: Twitch's biggest subscribed to.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's big, definitely. We got a we
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: got a pretty solid community. I wouldn't say I'm a
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: kingmaker in the way that like people presented I I
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: you know, if there is good harmony with candidates that have,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: you know, the fundamentals that have the policies that are
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: that that have a lifetime of advocacy work in organizing work,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: or like experience that you can point to. An example
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: of this that took place is in the Michigan Senate
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: race right now. The primaries are going to be happening
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: in August. Abdulah said, is my guy, right, He's a
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Rhodes scholar, he's a doctor, he's a stud too. He
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: can do three plates on the bench press, and I
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: mean that's besides the point. But you know, I like
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: that personally. And you know, I've known of abdul and
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: I've I've hung out with him. You know, I've done
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: fundraiser online, small dollar donations from my community for his campaign.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Because he doesn't have any corporate packs. He opposes you know,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: corporate pack money, and he's a pack has said that
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: they're going to deploy thirty million dollars in his race
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: right because he opposes America's relationship with Israel. He wants
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: to he wants to reconsider our our endless expansionist mindset,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: and not only the Middle East, but all around the world.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: He says, we got to take this money away from
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: these bombs and spend it on our spend it on healthcare.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: He's been an advocate for Medicare for all. He wrote
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: a book about it, and he was in the Detroit
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Public Health Office, so he he abolished three hundred thousand
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: people's medical debt. You know. He had this this this
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: glasses program where he gave thousands of people in Detroit
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: glasses so they can see and read. And he's he's
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: a wonderful person, right, but he wasn't getting a lot
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: of attention initially in his race. And he reached out
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: to me and said, oh, let's go, let's do a
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: campaign rally together. And I had already done stuff with him.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: I traveled to Dearborn, we worked out, played basketball, all
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: this stuff. So I didn't really think about it. And
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, the entirety
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: of the right wing and also a lot of center
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: right forces in the Democratic Party started writing articles about
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: the dangers of aligning with someone like myself. Abdul said,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: is now in first place. He was in third place
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: when they were talking about that, And since that happened,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: there was like a month long process where they were like,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: we should oppose the san piker. He's bad, and his
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: opponents Mallory mcmarrow compared me to Nicholas Fuendez, again, a
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: white nationalist, neo Nazi, just the the exact opposition, the
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: exact oppositional figure to my worldview.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I've heard both rhetorics. I don't, I don't.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't put you in that category.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's disgusting and and and people saw that
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: for what it was and they this created a lot
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: of trust for Abdul because he did not stand down
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: and he did not apologize for doing this, and he
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: kept pushing through. And I think that earned him a
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: lot of trust with Michiganders who saw that and were like,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, this guy's awesome. They saw his background,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: they saw his work, they saw his advocacy, they saw
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: his policies, and they identified with it. And now he's
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: in first place in the Democratic Party primaries.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: I saw what you said, you said it is now
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: I'm not a king maker. And I was reading a
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: political article and it was saying, how you had an
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: up and down night on Tuesday as you look the
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: convergent online influence into electoral wins for progressives, how do
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: you continue to do that?
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm still working on it. So last night
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: I did a rally in Brooklyn for the New York
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: City DSA slate, and tomorrow, well on Sunday, I'll be
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: in Denver and I'll be doing another rally for Milt
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Kiros who's running for Congress as well. So you know,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm trying to be in as many
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: place as I possibly can where there are, you know,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: wonderful candidates that are running these insurgency races, and try
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: to deploy my influence of the best in my ability
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: in the direction of these candidates who deserve the shine,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: who deserve the support. And there are a lot of them.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: There are a lot of them that even go unnoticed.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, Summer Leads a great example from Pittsburgh, one
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: of my favorite congress persons. I love she's She's brilliant
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: on social media. You should have her on too. I
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: want to have Yeah, I'll connect you. She's bold, she's brave,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: she she stands by her principles and she never gets
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: the the she never gets the the media attention that
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: she deserves. And sometimes I think it might be by design.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's also a black woman, so I think
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: that probably plays a role in that, for sure. I
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: mean Iona Presley again, Uh great, yeah, great congress person.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Like there are a lot of fighters out there, and uh,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: and I don't know if it's uh if they're being
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: deliberately kept out of the spotlight to not show an alternative. Uh,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: and that they have to like fight through that, because
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: we know what happens when someone does break through that machine.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Zura Mamdani is a great example of this, right, I
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: think they're too busy doing the work.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you have to, like you have to, you
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: have to please come to the show, you know what
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, Like you have to you have to force
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: them almost.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: You're right. This is literally a conversation that I had
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: with some Canadis at times. I'm like, come on, you
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: have to, like you have to play the game a
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: little bit, and they just they think it's like, you know,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: it's not it's not necessary, but all these demons are
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: doing it. You know, you got to do it too,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Before you get out of here. What
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: is your dude bro project? My dude bro.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: Project called I think I saw that dude you have
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: a project called dude Bros.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: Isn't it like a like a language like I saw I.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Saw that bros. Dude bro project. Know what it's called
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: dude Bro. It's something with me. I know you said
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: democrats were struggled with young men. Oh that's that's just
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: something that they say I'm doing. Yea, yeah, that's not
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: my own, Like it's not like a project or anything
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: that's they compare you to.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: And they say, but you're like the more like dude bro,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: like almost like fat guy version of yeah.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they say. And it's just because like
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it's it's crazy because like I think
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: that's literally just because you know, I don't speak in
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: the same academic way that normally people of my ideological
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: background do. Uh. And I also like to to lift
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: weights and you know play you know, I play basketball,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: and and I hang out with like people who are
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: you know, other influencers and whatnot, and don't just talk
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: about politics, even though I have been doing that quite
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: a bit as of late this past year because the
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: midterms are happening. But I think that's what it is
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: because the Democrats are just like, wow, you you're woke,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: but you also work out and that's not unique, Like
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: there's so many people like that out there that yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: I think that's what it is. That like they find
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: that to be a juxtaposition that they haven't seen before,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: I guess. But I mean, I do have a young
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: male audience too, and I think that's probably part of
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: the reason why. Look, I'll take it. Any kind of
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: marketing I'll take because I I jokingly refer to as
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: terrorism insurance. Anytime they write about me as like the
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan of the left is the moment that they're
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: not writing out about me as a as a radical
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: hamas terrorist. So, uh, you know, I'll take that if
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: that's my entry point into getting the barbers and the
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: depors that read these papers to to not be fearful
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: of of what I represent or what this movement represents. Pike,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: tell them what to follow you man. Yeah. I'm live
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: on Twitch every day at twitch dot tv slash Hassan
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: abi uh and I'm also on all the platforms. Hassan D.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Piker on Instagram, on YouTube as well, and on Twitter.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: I'm Hassan the Hunt. It's just I'm so old school
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: that I don't even have the same name for every
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: every one of these platforms. Yeah, you said the no no, no,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: that's crazy, that's crazy. Just thank you. It's the Breakfast Club.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Good morning, Hungo, that's what he said. I'm like this, Wow,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: hold up every day a week ago. Click your glass
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: up the Breakfast Club. You're finish for y'all done.