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Speaker 1: Laura from the Skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny.
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Speaker 3: Report, thanks for joining me tonight. The madness of net
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Speaker 3: zero by twenty fifty and how it's creating dramas for
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Speaker 3: the Coalition.
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Speaker 4: David Little Proud will join me live the.
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Speaker 3: Horrific new rugby trend that's cost at least one life.
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Speaker 3: A former player warns about the risks Donald Trump boosts
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Speaker 3: American steel while he hurts our industry. I'll speak with
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Speaker 3: Kristen Tate in the US and Cheng Lay on her book,
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Speaker 3: her documentary airing Tonight and her amazing resilience. Also Tim Blair,
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Speaker 3: Christy McSweeney and Steven Senna Tiempo on everything, including an
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Speaker 3: erupting volcano.
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Speaker 4: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 3: Look, net zero by twenty fifty is a farce. The
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Speaker 3: phrase rolls off everyone's tongue like it actually means something,
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Speaker 3: But really, is there anyone who believes this country or
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Speaker 3: any developed economy can ever get to net zero, let
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Speaker 3: alone do it by twenty fifty. It's just a nonsense.
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Speaker 3: And when the politicians of the green left make this pledge,
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Speaker 3: they're not appealing to logic, They're appealing to emotion, pretending,
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Speaker 3: and I use.
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Speaker 4: That word advisably.
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Speaker 3: They are pretending that they are saving the planet.
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Speaker 4: What we have with net zero net zero transformation.
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Speaker 3: Net zero mobilize the move to net zero net zero targets.
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Speaker 5: We have our part to play very much in getting
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Speaker 5: to net zero.
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Speaker 6: Set of trajectory to net zero net zero is the
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Speaker 6: bare minimum.
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Speaker 3: This is so idiotic, but it helps to win votes
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Speaker 3: for the left. They can't get to net zero most
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Speaker 3: certainly while they maintain their opposition to nuclear energy. So
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Speaker 3: this is the most inane political promise of all time.
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Speaker 3: Not only is it destined to fail, but it's so
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Speaker 3: far off into the never never that it just doesn't
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Speaker 3: matter when it comes to current circumstances. I mean, would
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Speaker 3: you vote for a politician who promised you a tax
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Speaker 3: cut eight elections from now? That's right, they're promising they'll
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Speaker 3: be at net zero after at least eight more parliamentary terms.
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Speaker 3: Who in their right mind would take this seriously? Politicians
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Speaker 3: can't deliver a promise from one election to the next.
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Speaker 3: They struggle to hold a policy from breakfast to dinner,
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Speaker 3: or keep a pledge from one day to the next.
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Speaker 3: And people believe them when they say they'll deliver something
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Speaker 3: twenty five years from now. It's absurd, especially when you
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Speaker 3: consider that whatever Australia does, we'll have next to no
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Speaker 3: influence on the global net zero challenge because we produce
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Speaker 3: one percent or less of world emissions. And here's the
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Speaker 3: rub China is not committed to net zero. Its emissions
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Speaker 3: are the highest in the world, almost a third of
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Speaker 3: all global emissions and growing. The United States is not
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Speaker 3: committed to net zero, and it's the largest economy in
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Speaker 3: the world. The huge and rapidly growing countries of India, Indonesia,
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Speaker 3: and Brazil, they are not committed to net zero by
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Speaker 3: twenty fifty either. Nor are Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Mexico, Algeria
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Speaker 3: or Finland. That's most of the world's population and the
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Speaker 3: overwhelming bulk of its economic output not committed to net
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Speaker 3: zero by twenty fifty. But this country is stupid enough
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Speaker 3: to stick with the target and stick with the farcical
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Speaker 3: retoric about how we'll actually get there. And even more idiotically,
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Speaker 3: we have people pretending that getting there will make a
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Speaker 3: difference when clearly world emissions will continue to rise. Little
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Speaker 3: wonder this is now a huge debating point in the
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Speaker 3: right of center parties in the coalition. Remember, the Liberals
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Speaker 3: have not won a federal election since former Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: Scott Morrison made this announcement.
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Speaker 7: And our plan to reach what will be our new
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Speaker 7: official target of reaching net zero missions by twenty fifty.
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Speaker 7: Our plan gets the balance right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that seemed deeply unwise at the time. Maybe coalition
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Speaker 3: supporters are smarter than the emotive net zero cheerleaders on
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Speaker 3: the Green left. Certainly, the push is on now for
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Speaker 3: the coalition to drop that target. The State Council of
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Speaker 3: the South Australian Liberal Party has dumped the target, and
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Speaker 3: the Liberal Senator for that state, Alex Antik, sent out
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Speaker 3: this celebratory tweet pretending that Donald Trump had reacted to
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Speaker 3: the South Aussie decision.
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Speaker 8: We're gonna win so much you may even get tired
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Speaker 8: of winning. And you'll say, please, please, it's too much winning.
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Speaker 8: We can't take it anymore, mister President, it's too much.
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Speaker 8: And I'll say, no, it isn't. We have to keep winning.
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Speaker 8: We have to win more. We're gonna win more. We're
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Speaker 8: gonna win so much.
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Speaker 9: I love you, thank you, thank you.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 3: You'd think that many in the coalition would realize that
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Speaker 3: going old Trump might not actually help them, but you've
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Speaker 3: got to have some fun and maybe this is a
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Speaker 3: winning strategy to get rid of zero by twenty fifty.
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Speaker 3: But none of this will be easy. For instance, the
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Speaker 3: South Australian Parliamentary Liberal Party the state off position. It's
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Speaker 3: sticking with net zero. So that's two positions on the
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Speaker 3: one policy from the one party at the one time
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Speaker 3: in the one state. But there's also a third position
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Speaker 3: because of course federally the Liberals have all policies up
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Speaker 3: in the air while they await their review. So there's
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Speaker 3: net zero, no net zero and review net zero three
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Speaker 3: takes on one policy at the one time in South Australia.
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Speaker 3: At the moment, this is fast becoming the big test
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Speaker 3: for the new federal opposition leader, Susan Lee.
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Speaker 6: There are different views about how we appropriately reduce emissions.
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Speaker 10: Now.
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Speaker 5: We need to reduce emissions.
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Speaker 6: In this country and Australia needs to play its part
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Speaker 6: in reducing emissions that I absolutely sign up to. We
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Speaker 6: also know that if we don't do energy policy well,
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Speaker 6: we can crash the energy grid, we can cripple Australian manufacturing,
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Speaker 6: we can have a situation where sovereign manufacturing capability in
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Speaker 6: this is going out the door backwards or going overseas.
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Speaker 1: But you're prepared to walk away from next to you.
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Speaker 6: Your pretty words in my math, Andrew, no policies have
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Speaker 6: been adopted or walked away from at this time.
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Speaker 3: Lee says she's in no hurry to finalize this policy.
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Speaker 3: But the sooner the coalition has a clear policy, the
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Speaker 3: better for everyone. Surely, Look, this is politically difficult because
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Speaker 3: most politicians, most media, most of academia, and most of
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Speaker 3: the bureaucracy, well, they all subscribe to this madness. They
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Speaker 3: all actually stick to what they must know is a fiction,
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Speaker 3: in fact, the dual fictions that Australia can get to
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Speaker 3: net zero and that if it did, it would make
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Speaker 3: a difference. But logic, science and rational facts say that
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Speaker 3: this is a great act of national economic self harm
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Speaker 3: for no environmental gain and right have sent to Politics
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Speaker 3: should always stand up for rational policies and facts. So
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Speaker 3: they need to do that now and call out this
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Speaker 3: nonsense and outline a plan to deliver the reliable and
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Speaker 3: affordable energy that our whole society and civilization is built on.
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Speaker 3: Otherwise we all sacrifice our prosperity on the altar of
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Speaker 3: virtue signaling undermine our future in the name of idiotic sanctimony.
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Speaker 3: I just want to go back to that terrible anti
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Speaker 3: Semitic terrorist attack in Bolder, Colorado in the US yesterday,
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Speaker 3: when fire bombs or molotov cocktails were thrown at innocent people.
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Speaker 3: Twelve people were injured, including a Holocaust survivor and the
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Speaker 3: alleged assailant, forty five year old Mohammed Solomon, an illegal
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Speaker 3: immigrant from Egypt, has been charged with attempted murder and
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Speaker 3: other crimes. This was a shocking attack against people who
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Speaker 3: were simply protesting in support of the Israeli hostages, demanding
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Speaker 3: these people are freed after more than six hundred days
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Speaker 3: of being held in an ongoing war crime by Hamas.
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Speaker 3: This fire bomb attack highlights the increasing incidents of anti
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Speaker 3: Israeli and anti Semitic attacks in the US. Have a
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Speaker 3: look at this summary from Fox News.
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Speaker 11: Back in mid April. This is when the governor of Pennsylvania,
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Speaker 11: Josh Shapiro.
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Speaker 4: Who is Jewish. It was well known that it was Jewish.
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Speaker 11: The Governor's mansion was firebombed and the suspect called nine
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Speaker 11: to one one with references to free Palestine. Then you
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Speaker 11: have this horrific incident.
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Speaker 4: Washington, d C.
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Speaker 11: About ten days ago. This is when the two Israeli
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Speaker 11: embassy staffers were shot in cold blood outside the Jewish Museum.
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Speaker 4: After an event had taken place there.
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Speaker 11: They walk out into the evening hours on that sidewalk
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Speaker 11: and they get murdered in cold blood. Then you got
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Speaker 11: this from yesterday June first, again you had that Egyptian
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Speaker 11: illegal immigrant channing free Palestine among other things. Apparently during
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Speaker 11: this incident border.
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Speaker 4: Let me change the screen here for a moment.
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Speaker 11: I'm going to show you the acts of anti Semitism
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Speaker 11: in the US. All Right, You're at nine thy three
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Speaker 11: hundred and fifty four. All right for twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 11: for twenty twenty three, you're at eighty eight hundred and
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Speaker 11: seventy three. And you look at this increase over the
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Speaker 11: past ten years or so.
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Speaker 4: What sticks out?
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Speaker 11: I mean, almost a nine hundred percent increase over the
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Speaker 11: last ten years.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And as you saw there, the bulk of the
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Speaker 3: escalation has happened in the past two years. In other words,
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Speaker 3: since the October the seventh atrocities against Israel in October
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. Imagine that more than fifteen hundred Israelis
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Speaker 3: are slaughtered or taken hostage, some of them still held
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Speaker 3: in captivity by Hamas. And that's when people start attacking
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Speaker 3: Israelis and Jews. They start attacking, attacking the victims of
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Speaker 3: this horrific violence. It's sick and it's illogical. It's as
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Speaker 3: sick and illogical as anti semitism, and anti Semitism is
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Speaker 3: on the rise around the world, fed by lies, propaganda
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Speaker 3: and ignorance, and fed by visceral, inhuman and illogical hatred.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to Queensland now and catch up with the
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Speaker 3: Nationals leader David Little Proud David, thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 3: I want to get straight to this net zero debate.
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Speaker 3: The South Australian Liberal Party State Council has said we
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Speaker 3: should get rid of them. In fact, they've scrapped their
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Speaker 3: allegiance to a net zero by twenty fifty target. This
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Speaker 3: is where the coalition parties have to go, don't they.
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Speaker 12: Well, look, the Liberal Party is going to undertake a
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Speaker 12: review into their policy and we're working through our position
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Speaker 12: on that. Our lived experience of what that's looking like
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Speaker 12: for regional Australians is this all renewables approach is actually
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Speaker 12: a lived one that is far more harsher than just your.
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Speaker 1: Energy bills going up. So you see, we're living with
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Speaker 1: the physical.
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Speaker 12: Consequence of our prime agricultural land being ripped up with
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Speaker 12: transmission lines, solar panels and wind turbines, and the actual
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Speaker 12: thing you're trying to protect, the actual natural environments, also
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Speaker 12: being destroyed in trying to achieve this. Now, we were
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Speaker 12: sensible as nationals and said that let's have a technology
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Speaker 12: agnostic approach, and we still believe in that we should
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Speaker 12: have nuclear energy as part of that solution. But you
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Speaker 12: should also look at countries that are looking at having
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Speaker 12: a mixed energy grid, not on all renewables approach, and
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Speaker 12: that's like Japan. Japan's importing our coal and gas, burning it,
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Speaker 12: capturing it and bringing it back here and storing in here.
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Speaker 1: In Australia, as you know this.
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Speaker 4: Where this will go way beyond energy. I know that's
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Speaker 4: been the main.
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Speaker 3: Focus and there's a huge part of our emissions talking
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Speaker 3: about changes to the way agriculture works, trying to get
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Speaker 3: people to eat more vegetables. This goes to the electrification
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Speaker 3: of all of our rail getting rid of diesel trains,
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Speaker 3: getting rid of petrol cars. There's a massive challenge here.
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Speaker 3: I think there's two really key questions that I want
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Speaker 3: to ask you to give me quite short answers to
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Speaker 3: if you can. Firstly, if Australia could get to zero tomorrow,
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Speaker 3: would there be any environmental benefit to the world.
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Speaker 12: Not that I can understand from the science that I've read,
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Speaker 12: because of our because of our actual emissions as a
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Speaker 12: small country. What we need is pressure on countries like
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Speaker 12: China and India, the big emitters, And in fact, what
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Speaker 12: we are doing.
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Speaker 1: Is not going to be able to make.
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Speaker 4: It exactly an impact exactly of.
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Speaker 1: The scientific data that has been made available.
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Speaker 3: To me, no doubt what you're quoting is just the
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Speaker 3: facts and the science. But the second point is do
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Speaker 3: you believe it is possible for this developed economy ours
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Speaker 3: and others like the United States or even China and
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Speaker 3: Japan to get to zero by twenty fifty?
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Speaker 4: Could that be done.
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Speaker 12: Well? Not without nuclear energy or carbon capture storage and
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Speaker 12: some pragmatic approaches to things are like methane for agriculture.
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Speaker 12: And unless we see that, then obviously I think the
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Speaker 12: world is going to have a realization that's going to
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Speaker 12: be very difficult in fact, they're realizing that. Now.
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Speaker 1: I've never been to one of these COP conferences, Chris.
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Speaker 12: But those that have have come back and told me
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Speaker 12: that many of the countries that have made these grand
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Speaker 12: commitments are now saying, look, the easy stuff has already
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Speaker 12: been done, has now contents a lot, and there is
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Speaker 12: going to be a realization at some point. Now what
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Speaker 12: we are blessed with in this country is a sovereignty
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Speaker 12: of all our resources, and we can have a mixed grid,
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Speaker 12: and we can have a sensible economy and a sensible
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Speaker 12: conversation if the extremities of the this debate actually lay
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Speaker 12: down their arms and actually wake up to the reality
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Speaker 12: of what is facing us as an economy and as
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Speaker 12: a nation, and about backing ourselves and backing the resources
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Speaker 12: we've got to give us a mixed grid that actually
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Speaker 12: ultimately leaves a healthy environment but leads us all a
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Speaker 12: far wealthier country.
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Speaker 3: It's the bottom line, though, isn't it. When you summarize
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Speaker 3: all that, you're talking about a policy that can't make
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Speaker 3: any environmental difference, and a policy that's going to be
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Speaker 3: impossible to deliver.
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Speaker 4: So it's a pretty hard policy to.
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Speaker 3: Rationally support or advocate we'll keep coming back to this
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Speaker 3: issue in the future. But before I wanted to let
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Speaker 3: you go, I just want to get your thoughts on
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Speaker 3: the drought. I know it's hitting South Australia very badly
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Speaker 3: and most of Victoria, large parts of western New South Wales.
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Speaker 3: You're calling for the government to step in with interest
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Speaker 3: free loans for farmers.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, we did this back in twenty nineteen, Chris. We
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Speaker 12: introduced a drought loan that had two years repayment free,
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Speaker 12: interest free, then for the next three years went to
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Speaker 12: interest only. What that did was provide cash flow and
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Speaker 12: it allowed up to two million dollars to be refinanced
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Speaker 12: from their commercial bank, where they'd be paying close to
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Speaker 12: over those couple of years, nearly a couple.
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Speaker 1: Hundred thousand dollars worth of interest.
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Speaker 12: It just buys them time, buys the ability when it
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Speaker 12: does rain, allows them to restock and replant.
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Speaker 1: And I think there's also an opportunity to.
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Speaker 12: Lay that over the natural disasters we've seen in far
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Speaker 12: western Queensland in my electorate, where they need some help
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Speaker 12: to get up up off the ground to be able
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Speaker 12: to do that, to either restock, to replant or to
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Speaker 12: refinance some of their debt.
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Speaker 1: This is about cash.
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Speaker 12: Flow and I think it worked well in twenty nineteen
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Speaker 12: and twenty when we did it for the drought, and
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Speaker 12: I think it should be one of the sweeter measures
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Speaker 12: that the government looks at to support the drought stricken
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Speaker 12: farmers in the southern part of our country and some
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Speaker 12: of our flight affected farmers as well. And I'm pleased
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Speaker 12: to see that Category C and D has been announce
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Speaker 12: on the central North Coast, but it's a lot less
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Speaker 12: than what other other jurisdictions have received. I think the
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Speaker 12: New South Wales government should have a look at that.
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Speaker 12: But I think this is another measure that the federal
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Speaker 12: government could implement with the Regional Investment Corporation. They own
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Speaker 12: it all, they can do it all. It's been done before.
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Speaker 3: Thanks David, appreciate your time, David Little Proud. They're the
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Speaker 3: National's leader. Joining us from Ryford in Queensland. I want
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Speaker 3: to go to the US now, And in the latest
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Speaker 3: MAGA minute from the White House, they boast about Donald
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Speaker 3: Trump's boost for the US steel industry.
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Speaker 13: Have a look and the President traveled to the Commonwealth
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Speaker 13: of Pennsylvania to announce a planned partnership between US steal
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Speaker 13: and Nippon steel that will create at least seventy thousand
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Speaker 13: jobs and equates to a fourteen billion dollar investment in Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's fine for the US and Pennsylvania in particular.
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Speaker 3: But Trump's steel and Ali william tariffs are a cruel
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Speaker 3: blow to our industries here in Australia, a point I
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Speaker 3: put to our US analyst Kristen Tate.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, it's understandable Australians would be upset with
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Speaker 14: Trump's tariffs on steel and aluminum. Australia has been a
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Speaker 14: very fair trading partner with the United States. I can't
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Speaker 14: say the tariffs are right, Chris, but I can just
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Speaker 14: give some perspective on why this is all happening.
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Speaker 5: Countries around the world have taken advantage of the United States, and.
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Speaker 14: People love to say, oh, you know, America is the
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Speaker 14: richest country in the world, but we're thirty seven trillion
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Speaker 14: dollars in debt and that number continues to.
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Speaker 5: Rise every year.
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Speaker 14: Our trade deficits are completely unsustainable, and you know, if
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Speaker 14: these numbers continue, America will collapse hard. Many countries around
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Speaker 14: the world, including many of our allies, they have you know,
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Speaker 14: put huge tariffs on all of our exports, our cars,
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Speaker 14: our agricultural goods, everything that is manufactured, and putting tariffs
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Speaker 14: on other countries, especially reciprocal tariffs, you know, they simply
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Speaker 14: level the playing field.
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Speaker 3: There are also Macon only problems with all of this stuff.
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Speaker 3: He is our Prime Minister, Anthony Albanezy.
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Speaker 15: They say's an active economic self harm by the United
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Speaker 15: States that will increase the costs for consumers in the
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Speaker 15: United States. Becaurse it is supplied across the board. What
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Speaker 15: it will do is not create any comparative advantage or
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Speaker 15: disadvantage for Australia compared with other countries, say export into
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Speaker 15: the United States.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's not too often that I agree with our
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Speaker 3: Prime minister, especially when it comes to economics. Well, let's
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Speaker 3: forget about the effect on Australia. It's this point that
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Speaker 3: tariffs increase the cost of goods in America. Is that
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Speaker 3: starting to bite in the American domestic debate that while
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Speaker 3: these tariffs are you know, great as you say, to
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Speaker 3: send a message to the world that you want free
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Speaker 3: and fair trade with America, but the bottom line is
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Speaker 3: American consumers are going to pay more.
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Speaker 5: In the short term.
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Speaker 14: Probably, yes, prices could go up in the short term,
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Speaker 14: but this is about a long term strategy. I've been
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Speaker 14: all around this country, Chris, I went for coast to
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Speaker 14: coast in a car a few years ago, and you
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Speaker 14: go to any country or any city rather in the
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Speaker 14: middle of this country.
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Speaker 5: It is so sad what has happened.
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Speaker 14: Entire US cities gutted because of this. But will there
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Speaker 14: be some higher prices in the short term, sadly, probably yes.
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Speaker 5: This is a long term play.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to global strategic issues, and the biggest threat
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Speaker 3: to global peace, certainly in the region that Australia resides in,
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Speaker 3: but probably globally, is the threat of war between the
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Speaker 3: US and China over Taiwan. The Defense Secretary Pete Hesgith
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Speaker 3: has gone a lot further forward on this debate than
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Speaker 3: many have in the years previously. Usually countries, including Australia
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Speaker 3: and America, talk about strategic ambiguity, but Pete Hesgith g
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Speaker 3: Hekstith seems to be saying that if China invades or
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Speaker 3: tries to take control of Taiwan, there will be war.
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Speaker 4: Have a look.
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Speaker 16: President Trump has also said that communist China will not
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Speaker 16: invade Tie one on his watch.
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Speaker 17: So our goal is to.
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Speaker 16: Prevent war, to make the cost too high and peace
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Speaker 16: the only option. And we will do this with a
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Speaker 16: strong shield of deterrence. But if deterrence fails, and if
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Speaker 16: called upon by my commander in chief, we are prepared
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Speaker 16: to do what the Department of Defense does best, to
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Speaker 16: fight and win decisively.
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Speaker 4: Strong Winds Kristen.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean Trump was clearly trying to send a
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Speaker 14: message through Pete heagsth that.
21:33
Speaker 5: Taiwan is awf limits to China.
21:35
Speaker 14: Taiwan is strategically critical for the Western hemisphere.
21:39
Speaker 5: It's the most important.
21:41
Speaker 14: Supplier of high tech semiconductors in the world. And yes,
21:44
Speaker 14: there are efforts underway to diversify the sourcing of these semiconductors,
21:49
Speaker 14: but that is a decade or so out at best.
21:53
Speaker 5: So this is very critical.
21:55
Speaker 14: And you know, Trump is sending a strong message, and
21:58
Speaker 14: I think the Chinese are going to take that message
22:01
Speaker 14: very seriously. The Chinese think Trump is a little crazy,
22:05
Speaker 14: a little unpredictable, and hey, they might be right.
22:07
Speaker 5: So do I think that They're going to make a
22:09
Speaker 5: move like trying to take.
22:11
Speaker 14: Taiwan on Trump's watch? A smart ddding man would probably
22:14
Speaker 14: say no, Trump's got three and a half years left.
22:17
Speaker 14: China will be better sitting and waiting during Trump's term
22:20
Speaker 14: for another week.
22:21
Speaker 5: Man like Biden to come into office before doing I
22:23
Speaker 5: thank you. I think iding a strong message.
22:26
Speaker 3: I think you're absolutely right, Christen. It's a case of
22:29
Speaker 3: peace through strength, and I think China and Beijing would
22:33
Speaker 3: be very reluctant to act while the unpredictable Donald Trump
22:37
Speaker 3: is in the White House.
22:37
Speaker 4: This cross our fingers and hope.
22:39
Speaker 3: So but let's look back now on the previous White
22:41
Speaker 3: House and the ongoing debate about Joe Biden and the
22:46
Speaker 3: cover up. If you like to try and make sure
22:48
Speaker 3: convince everybody that he was okay, even that he could
22:50
Speaker 3: run another term. The book we've referred to previously is
22:54
Speaker 3: original Sin. And haven't looked what they say here about
22:57
Speaker 3: the first Lady doctor Jill Bidena. She was also, without question,
23:02
Speaker 3: one of the chief supporters of the President's decision to
23:05
Speaker 3: run for reelection and one of the chief deniers of
23:09
Speaker 3: his deterioration. Now, Christen, the MAKEU sound like some sort
23:13
Speaker 3: of lighty Macmith character.
23:16
Speaker 14: Well, there's a really real cancer that Joe Biden was
23:21
Speaker 14: perhaps one of the people calling the shots during Joe
23:24
Speaker 14: Biden's presidency. This is what makes this scandal so intriguing
23:29
Speaker 14: is that we really don't know who was at the
23:31
Speaker 14: helm during the four years of the Joe Biden presidency.
23:35
Speaker 14: Clearly Joe Biden was not running the country. I wrote
23:38
Speaker 14: about this in my Sky News Australia column last week.
23:42
Speaker 14: And the media is just completely disinterested in what should
23:46
Speaker 14: be a massive scandal here, Chris. I mean, there's a
23:50
Speaker 14: chance that the sitting president of the United States, the
23:53
Speaker 14: former sitting president of the United States, we he was
23:56
Speaker 14: in office, had cancer and we were lied to it
24:00
Speaker 14: to about it by the president himself, by his wife,
24:03
Speaker 14: by his doctors, by his hammers. People need to be
24:06
Speaker 14: held accountable if it's found that they were lying. And
24:09
Speaker 14: do I think Jill Biden was lying if there was
24:12
Speaker 14: some kind of cover up underway, of course she.
24:14
Speaker 3: Was intrigue as always, Christian, thanks for joining us, Thank you, Chris. Yeah,
24:23
Speaker 3: but they were covering up what the whole world could see.
24:25
Speaker 3: So don't let the American medium and the rest of
24:29
Speaker 3: the media around the world get away with it.
24:30
Speaker 4: Either.
24:31
Speaker 3: They were covering up what was playing to see all
24:33
Speaker 3: the rest of us could see it.
24:35
Speaker 4: Now we're going to take a break.
24:36
Speaker 3: On the other side, I'm going to show you the
24:37
Speaker 3: shocking rugby challenge that's actually taking lives and endangering young people.
24:43
Speaker 3: I'll catch up with Mark spud Carroll, former rugby league player,
24:47
Speaker 3: talk about that horrible risk. Now, I want to go
24:54
Speaker 3: a shocking and dangerous trend in the world of rugby
24:57
Speaker 3: and it's called run it Straight, and it involves blo
25:00
Speaker 3: It's always blokes and they just run headlong into each
25:03
Speaker 3: other and it's already caused at least one tragic and
25:07
Speaker 3: unnecessary death. Here's Channel nine's report.
25:11
Speaker 18: This is run it Straight, and it's not pretty. Last week,
25:17
Speaker 18: teenager Ryan's Sattathwait died in an impromptu backyard game with
25:21
Speaker 18: friends in New Zealand.
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Speaker 7: I am hoping that out of this we get some
25:26
Speaker 7: some all blacks and rugby league players stand up and
25:28
Speaker 7: just express what sort of a dumb idea that this
25:31
Speaker 7: particular game is.
25:34
Speaker 3: Now, I'm joined now by former NRL great Mark Spud Carroll,
25:37
Speaker 3: who suffered long term effects from concussions and campaigns against
25:41
Speaker 3: the risk of demitia market and have you on the program.
25:43
Speaker 4: This must be so alarming to see people doing this
25:47
Speaker 4: for fun.
25:47
Speaker 3: When it's really a part of the game that people
25:50
Speaker 3: are trying to get out of it.
25:52
Speaker 17: I don't see what's fun about it.
25:54
Speaker 4: It's bart baric. It's like a.
25:56
Speaker 17: Human car crush outside someone's pass from this I worn
26:01
Speaker 17: three weeks ago. Someone would die doing this whip USh
26:04
Speaker 17: effect on the neck. You could become a paraplegic, really
26:08
Speaker 17: could sudden the impact. I don't say the fun in it, Like,
26:12
Speaker 17: are they playing doing it for money? They're doing it
26:14
Speaker 17: for pride? I'm not too sure.
26:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just seems madness.
26:16
Speaker 3: I think we've got some vision here of people doing
26:18
Speaker 3: this in Sydney at Brookvale overall after a manly game,
26:22
Speaker 3: running down the hill, smashing into each other. Tell us
26:24
Speaker 3: what your thoughts are looking at this vision?
26:26
Speaker 17: What's about man that I'm coming down the hill? It's
26:28
Speaker 17: absolutely ridiculous. His skull w of beer he said, bring
26:31
Speaker 17: it on the sky has absolutely nailed him. But it
26:35
Speaker 17: only takes thinking about concussions, Chris, They stay in your body.
26:38
Speaker 17: I've now been retired twenty five years and I still
26:40
Speaker 17: love the effects from the game I played. It might
26:44
Speaker 17: not be the effect straight away, but down the track
26:47
Speaker 17: may or come back and buy.
26:48
Speaker 3: Them well, This is the huge issue at the moment
26:51
Speaker 3: in all the balls, well especially NRL and Ossie rules.
26:54
Speaker 3: On an Ossie rules, guy, I know we're changing the
26:56
Speaker 3: rules of practices all the time to try and protect
26:59
Speaker 3: the head.
26:59
Speaker 4: The same happening in the NRL.
27:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, these people are doing like the worst collision that
27:03
Speaker 3: can happen voluntarily.
27:05
Speaker 17: We think that death would close the doors when you know,
27:08
Speaker 17: but sounds they keep going. But I've seen that at
27:11
Speaker 17: brook Fell Well that was absolutely, as I said, barbaric.
27:14
Speaker 17: And it's like a human car crush. I kept telling
27:17
Speaker 17: you a whiplash effect. Why are they doing It's what's
27:21
Speaker 17: fun about getting someone belted?
27:24
Speaker 3: And are they doing enough in our RL, your game
27:27
Speaker 3: of choice and expertise? Are they doing enough to try
27:29
Speaker 3: and take those head collisions out of the game that is?
27:33
Speaker 4: Are we seeing success? Yeah?
27:34
Speaker 17: I think what's saying success. The thing is I've been
27:37
Speaker 17: retired twenty five years. It was badge of all want
27:40
Speaker 17: to go off. Now they're looking off for the players
27:43
Speaker 17: and any connection to the head. Me personally, I only
27:48
Speaker 17: get three weeks, it should be at least six and
27:50
Speaker 17: then they'd say I'm not going high anymore.
27:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, just to rest and recover. As I say, it's
27:56
Speaker 3: across other sports. I'm seeing it in kids sport as well.
27:59
Speaker 3: I coach Ossie rules team myself and now that the
28:02
Speaker 3: owners is always to get kids off and rest them
28:05
Speaker 3: rather than play on as you say, always it was
28:07
Speaker 3: sort of harden up and play on. So it just
28:11
Speaker 3: strikes me as amazing. We've got this cultural shift that's happening. Look,
28:16
Speaker 3: trying to get rid of concussions, make sure people recover
28:19
Speaker 3: from them. Yet these folks are doing this sort of thing.
28:21
Speaker 3: Is it just the grog talking?
28:23
Speaker 4: Do you think? Ah?
28:25
Speaker 17: I heard that there was a prize for being the
28:28
Speaker 17: biggest hitter, but you've got to go for a semi
28:30
Speaker 17: final period, say five collisions. You win't alive all for money,
28:36
Speaker 17: like health is better and wealth and you look after yourself.
28:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, good morning Mark, and they'll tell you what
28:42
Speaker 3: if people won't listen to Spud Carroll on this stuff,
28:44
Speaker 3: you won't listen to anyone.
28:45
Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us. I appreciate it.
28:47
Speaker 3: Now I want to go to Tim Blair joins us
28:49
Speaker 3: from the wimmer in Victoria and Tim, good to catch
28:53
Speaker 3: up with you, mate.
28:54
Speaker 4: I wanted to ask.
28:54
Speaker 3: You about your latest column where you've been telling us
28:58
Speaker 3: that people are too polite in this world, so polite
29:02
Speaker 3: that I'd like to say please and thank you to
29:04
Speaker 3: artificial intelligence.
29:07
Speaker 2: Well, yes, if only they were as polite in real
29:09
Speaker 2: life as they now are to machines, and of course
29:11
Speaker 2: with artificial intelligence, because you know, it's part over your
29:15
Speaker 2: interwebs and your computers and your modern society. Every bit
29:18
Speaker 2: of input that you use through AI, through maybe you chat,
29:22
Speaker 2: GPT or other AI mechanisms, every bit of input has
29:27
Speaker 2: an energy cost. So you know, maybe from my point
29:30
Speaker 2: of view that's a good thing, that it's destroying the environment,
29:33
Speaker 2: but tend to millions of dollars barely for all of
29:36
Speaker 2: these various AI companies because people are saying or writing
29:39
Speaker 2: please and thank you and on your AI. So it's
29:42
Speaker 2: not a small matter.
29:43
Speaker 3: Now, when I saw you writing about politeness, I saw
29:47
Speaker 3: something on social media that just astounded me.
29:50
Speaker 4: There's a cultural or religious issues.
29:52
Speaker 3: At play here and an amazing amount of politeness from
29:56
Speaker 3: a woman host.
29:57
Speaker 4: Have a look at this. There's a female.
29:58
Speaker 3: Host after soccer mat in Europe and there's a Muslim
30:03
Speaker 3: man who shakes the hand of the men there, but
30:07
Speaker 3: he refuses to shake the hand of the woman.
30:09
Speaker 4: This is his choice apparently.
30:11
Speaker 3: But then she apologizes for having offered her hand and.
30:15
Speaker 17: A look, could wow, how are you guys here.
30:23
Speaker 6: Meet?
30:23
Speaker 5: Welcome to the show. Apologize, thank you so much.
30:27
Speaker 4: She apologizes.
30:28
Speaker 3: Now this blokes cultural decision not to shake the hand
30:31
Speaker 3: of a woman. Well, we can leave that up to him.
30:33
Speaker 3: We'll all have our own views on that. But I
30:35
Speaker 3: tell you what, as a woman, I don't think you
30:37
Speaker 3: should be apologizing for trying to shake someone's hand.
30:42
Speaker 2: If there's there's cultural and social and religious reasons not
30:45
Speaker 2: to shake a hand, surely it's a mutual sort of arrangement.
30:48
Speaker 2: Like he didn't apologize, He just sort of put the
30:52
Speaker 2: did the hands, put the chest to gesture to indicate
30:54
Speaker 2: that he's not going near anyone with girl germs, I assume.
30:58
Speaker 2: And I think it's all a reflexive thing. In the
31:02
Speaker 2: West we are now, it's a culture of apology when
31:05
Speaker 2: we feel we've transgressed, even if we happened, even if
31:08
Speaker 2: we're not in the wrong. I think a lot of
31:11
Speaker 2: people just say sorry because that's because it's just part
31:14
Speaker 2: of being an evil Westerner.
31:15
Speaker 4: Chris, Yes, I suppose.
31:17
Speaker 3: And more on the issue of politeness, I saw something
31:20
Speaker 3: else today that tickled my fancy because I would have
31:23
Speaker 3: thought in the game of chess we would expect expect
31:27
Speaker 3: fairly polite sportsmanship. You know, if you lose a game, sorry,
31:31
Speaker 3: that's checkmate, old fellow. Well let's move on and perhaps
31:35
Speaker 3: move to the next game. But have a look at
31:37
Speaker 3: this from a champion chess player and the reaction of foot.
31:46
Speaker 19: Oh my god, at least see me with a slap
32:10
Speaker 19: on the back afterwards.
32:11
Speaker 4: That's almost full body contact chess.
32:14
Speaker 2: Well, I think we know the way for those two
32:16
Speaker 2: blokes to sort this out, and I'm not sure if
32:19
Speaker 2: Spud's still in this QO you might even agree. Let's
32:22
Speaker 2: run it straight. Come on, chess, opposite ends of the board,
32:26
Speaker 2: get a bit of a run up. I don't think
32:28
Speaker 2: in the case of those chaps that there'd be much
32:31
Speaker 2: chance of serious injury because, as Spud rightly pointed out,
32:34
Speaker 2: you know, the physics wouldn't be exactly an enemy. There's
32:37
Speaker 2: they wouldn't be a huge amount of momentum.
32:39
Speaker 3: Let's just say, good lord, now, I've got to get
32:42
Speaker 3: your thoughts on the net zero madness in South Australia,
32:45
Speaker 3: where at the moment there are three Liberal Party positions.
32:48
Speaker 3: One is no to the net zero by twenty fifty target.
32:51
Speaker 3: The official opposition policy is yes to the net zero
32:55
Speaker 3: by twenty fifty target, and then the federal parties are
32:58
Speaker 3: overriding policy on top of all of them is it's
33:00
Speaker 3: a full on review of net zero by twenty fifty.
33:03
Speaker 4: Who's got it right? Zero?
33:07
Speaker 2: And that zero is the right way? So that I
33:09
Speaker 2: think that's one of the factions you mentioned in South
33:10
Speaker 2: Australia is not to net zero because it's stupid and
33:15
Speaker 2: because it's unachievable, and because even if it wasn't cheap,
33:17
Speaker 2: but we back no difference apart from destroying Australia's economy.
33:20
Speaker 2: So noted net zero. But the fact that the Liberals
33:24
Speaker 2: are so split on this shows shows how, you know,
33:29
Speaker 2: it's great to have a broad church, which is always
33:31
Speaker 2: the thing people say about the Liberal Party, but it's
33:33
Speaker 2: a bad idea to have a church so broad that
33:35
Speaker 2: it includes I don't know, Satan, you know, like I said,
33:38
Speaker 2: at some point, you've got to be closing the doors
33:41
Speaker 2: to the.
33:41
Speaker 4: Evil doers, you know, you do.
33:43
Speaker 3: Indeed, well, I had a bit of time, I had
33:46
Speaker 3: a bit of an input with the South Australian liberals
33:49
Speaker 3: many moons ago and they want to sort this one out.
33:51
Speaker 3: I think I think your suggestion is the right one.
33:53
Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us. Tim appreciated Tim Blair there.
33:56
Speaker 3: You can read his stuff in the Daily Telegraph and
33:58
Speaker 3: get it online.
33:59
Speaker 4: We're going to get to break. On the other side,
34:00
Speaker 4: I'm going to catch up with Chang Lai.
34:01
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk to her about her book, her
34:05
Speaker 3: documentary airing tonight here on Sky News, and of course
34:08
Speaker 3: her experience three years in a Chinese prison. Well, Chung Lay,
34:16
Speaker 3: as as you know, is a news presenter here on
34:20
Speaker 3: Sky News. She's also the Australian woman who was held
34:23
Speaker 3: in the Chinese prison for more than.
34:25
Speaker 4: Three years unfairly.
34:27
Speaker 3: Of course, she's releasing her book tomorrow, Chang Lai, My
34:31
Speaker 3: Memoir of Freedom, and tonight from seven thirty here on
34:35
Speaker 3: Sky News, we're airing the documentary Chang Lay My Story
34:39
Speaker 3: that's tonight at seven thirty here on Sky News. I'm
34:41
Speaker 3: delighted to say that Changa Lay joins me live from Melbourne.
34:46
Speaker 4: Good to talk to you, La.
34:47
Speaker 3: It's fantastic to have you on the program.
34:50
Speaker 5: And I'm looking Chris.
34:52
Speaker 20: Our colleagues must be so sick of seeing my face everywhere.
34:56
Speaker 4: Look, I love your smiling face.
34:58
Speaker 3: And the first thing I was going to to mention
35:00
Speaker 3: in this interview was that I've seen the documentary. I
35:04
Speaker 3: love the documentary. I highly recommend it tonight at seven thirty.
35:08
Speaker 3: It's a brilliant piece of documentary work and it it
35:11
Speaker 3: just gets us inside your soul when it comes to
35:15
Speaker 3: the experience you went through. But I just wanted to
35:17
Speaker 3: mention that I didn't know you before you went through
35:20
Speaker 3: this trauma. Obviously I was aware of the story and
35:23
Speaker 3: followed it and reported on it over the years. When
35:26
Speaker 3: I came to meet you, I kind of expected someone
35:30
Speaker 3: stern and maybe embitted by what had happened to you.
35:34
Speaker 4: But you're so friendly.
35:35
Speaker 3: And lively and full of verb, full of love of life.
35:40
Speaker 4: Will you always like that?
35:41
Speaker 3: Is that what helped you get through this?
35:45
Speaker 5: Absolutely?
35:47
Speaker 20: It's this Aussie grit and also I should say daggy
35:52
Speaker 20: in six sense of humor, and that helped in the
35:55
Speaker 20: darkest moments and helping your mate, sticking up for what's right,
36:01
Speaker 20: all these simple ozzy things that we take for granted,
36:04
Speaker 20: and then when you have nothing, this is the core
36:08
Speaker 20: that comes out, and that is who I am and
36:12
Speaker 20: who we are as a country.
36:14
Speaker 3: Now, you know the Chinese system as well as anybody.
36:19
Speaker 3: When you were arrested on spurious claims and incarcerated with
36:24
Speaker 3: your two children back in Australia, did you have any
36:27
Speaker 3: sense that you would be in prison for that long
36:30
Speaker 3: or did you hope that maybe it would be a
36:33
Speaker 3: short stay.
36:37
Speaker 20: From the very early days, I had a very very
36:41
Speaker 20: bad feeling because the Ministry of State Security has a
36:46
Speaker 20: very shady reputation, and the fact that I wasn't allowed
36:52
Speaker 20: any contact and that they went through everything in my
36:57
Speaker 20: life gave me this idea that whatever it was, they
37:02
Speaker 20: were going to pin something on me. And that's partly
37:07
Speaker 20: because I'm an Australian citizen.
37:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, the fact you're a dual citizen counted against you
37:12
Speaker 3: given the given the forum.
37:14
Speaker 20: I'm not a dual citizen because China doesn't recognize dual citizenship,
37:18
Speaker 20: but the fact that I'm ethnically Chinese still counts.
37:22
Speaker 3: Oh I see, So they counted yours and they disregarded
37:25
Speaker 3: your Australian citizenship because of that.
37:30
Speaker 20: Well, in terms of nabbing people as hostage diplomacy targets,
37:37
Speaker 20: the two Canadian Michaels that they arrested as a result
37:41
Speaker 20: of the Huawei CFO being arrested in Canada. I guess
37:46
Speaker 20: gave them an idea that looking up white people tends
37:50
Speaker 20: to create a lot of trouble and maybe someone ethnically
37:55
Speaker 20: Chinese would be easier.
37:58
Speaker 4: Yeah, how horrific.
37:59
Speaker 3: That's that's that's that's your summation. It's just terrific. I
38:04
Speaker 3: want to show an excerpt from the documentary, and this
38:06
Speaker 3: is when you're seeing a recreation of the cell in
38:09
Speaker 3: which you were held in solitary confinement effectively for six months.
38:13
Speaker 10: Have a look like we've recreated your rs d L
38:17
Speaker 10: set inside.
38:18
Speaker 4: Are you happy to come in and have a look.
38:20
Speaker 20: Sure, I'd like to see it and for people to
38:22
Speaker 20: see it, because nobody believes what he was.
38:26
Speaker 14: Like, m.
38:48
Speaker 4: This is where I.
38:49
Speaker 21: Spent six months sitting like this, thinking, Oh, isn't it
39:02
Speaker 21: We're going to get out as close to.
39:05
Speaker 3: Dying and.
39:08
Speaker 21: Wanting to die as I ever got.
39:13
Speaker 4: Just horrific, L And I just want to get your thoughts.
39:16
Speaker 3: Also, apart from the physical constraints of that cell, you
39:20
Speaker 3: had guards standing there with you for hours on end.
39:24
Speaker 4: What do you feel?
39:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you feel towards those months.
39:29
Speaker 4: Those human beings. How do you feel towards them?
39:32
Speaker 3: How could they be so inhumane?
39:36
Speaker 20: Well, those guards were only, you know, early twenties, young
39:41
Speaker 20: technical school graduates who were working there for short stints
39:47
Speaker 20: and during COVID. I think they would have felt lucky
39:49
Speaker 20: to have gainful employment with the famous Ministry of State Security.
39:55
Speaker 20: I'm pretty certain that they wouldn't have known what the
39:59
Speaker 20: job would entail when they took it on. And they were,
40:02
Speaker 20: in fact not from Beijing. They were from Hebei and
40:06
Speaker 20: Henan provinces, So they're in this big city and they
40:11
Speaker 20: think they're doing something good for the country. They might
40:15
Speaker 20: have been told that all these people detained there are
40:18
Speaker 20: you know, have done horrible things to the country, and
40:21
Speaker 20: they're not patriots, and therefore you should be very strict
40:26
Speaker 20: on them. And that's how they I mean, they're just
40:29
Speaker 20: so young. I don't have the heart to bear any
40:33
Speaker 20: malice towards them. And they worked in four hour shifts
40:37
Speaker 20: that had to stand or sit in every changing every
40:40
Speaker 20: ten minutes looking at me all that time, couldn't talk,
40:44
Speaker 20: had masks on, couldn't drink water or go to the toilet.
40:47
Speaker 20: What sort of job is that they're being tortured themselves
40:50
Speaker 20: in sinse.
40:51
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're victims as well. What a shocking situation.
40:53
Speaker 3: Is The great thing about this story, as terrible as
40:56
Speaker 3: it was, it had a happy ending and we see
40:58
Speaker 3: some of that in the documentary.
41:02
Speaker 20: Very happy ending in the documentary. My fierce and ferocious
41:08
Speaker 20: soccer mates all came out you know for the shoot,
41:12
Speaker 20: and we had a terrific time handing.
41:15
Speaker 5: It up for the cameras.
41:16
Speaker 20: It's a pretty it was only a little bit of
41:18
Speaker 20: footage in there, but sing as well.
41:22
Speaker 3: But also where you're reunited with your family and we've
41:25
Speaker 3: got that except here.
41:38
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you, thank you so much.
41:41
Speaker 1: I don't know how much.
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Speaker 5: Your letter and your messages are coffee.
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Speaker 20: Welcome, thank you, Hello, Prime Minister.
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Speaker 5: What an honor.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic stuff and and like you must be looking
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Speaker 3: forward to people seeing all this and the detail of
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Speaker 3: your trauma in tonight's documentary.
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Speaker 20: And you know what, if I see haters, I will
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Speaker 20: call them out and it would be a spectacular own
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Speaker 20: goal for people to, yeah, to make vild comments about
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Speaker 20: my story.
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Speaker 3: Well said Chang lay Well said a warning from the
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Speaker 3: outset to congratulations. It's a great documentary and the book
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Speaker 3: out tomorrow. Chang lay a memoir of freedom. Great to
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Speaker 3: talk to you again, La. We'll catch up with you soon.
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Speaker 3: We better get to a break so much Chang lay
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Speaker 3: her story on here Sky News seven point thirty tonight.
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Speaker 4: Don't miss it. Better get to a break on the
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Speaker 4: other side, We'll.
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Speaker 3: Catch up with the panel Christy McSweeney and Stephen Senate Tempo. Well,
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Speaker 3: let's go to our panel now with Christie McSweeney, Managing
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Speaker 3: Director of the pr Council, live from Melbourne and Stephen
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Speaker 3: Senate Tempo two see Breakfast in the Nation's Capital. Good
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Speaker 3: to have you both here. I'm very confused now when
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Speaker 3: it comes to the Coalition and working from home Christy.
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Speaker 3: It was, you know, like only a month ago and
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Speaker 3: they said everybody should turn up at the office. Now
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Speaker 3: they're seeming to embrace working from home as a productivity measure.
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Speaker 22: Look, I think straight out of Engauge. This one was
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Speaker 22: incredibly mismanaged and mis messaged. And the core message of
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Speaker 22: it was public servants in Canberra who were supposed to
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Speaker 22: be delivering services for you, the tax payer for Australia.
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Speaker 5: What they get paid for.
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Speaker 22: Many of them are phoning it in almost on a
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Speaker 22: permanent basis, and there were significant examples of that. Of course,
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Speaker 22: you know, politicians should never attack an enterprise bargaining agreement
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Speaker 22: that's already been tied up and so that's already been
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Speaker 22: packaged off. You can't tackle that until the next one.
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Speaker 22: If you want to get in a fight with the
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Speaker 22: CP you go for it. So I don't think it
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Speaker 22: was a fight they had to pick. And now this
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Speaker 22: messaging today, you're correct, it's even more confusing.
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Speaker 4: It's just over the top. There was the German of
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Speaker 4: an idea here.
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Speaker 3: They went too far in the election campaign, no nuance whatsoever.
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Speaker 3: Yet now we get this from Senator Andrew Bragg.
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Speaker 10: There are significant productivity gains to be had, particularly for
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Speaker 10: those Australians who are working in a hybrid environment where
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Speaker 10: they work a couple of days at home and a
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Speaker 10: few in the office.
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Speaker 1: And there are a number of.
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Speaker 10: Studies, including by the Productivity Commission, which shows this has
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Speaker 10: got a real benefit to families and the economy overall.
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Speaker 1: So we want to make sure that's part.
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Speaker 10: Of our long term settings because that's good for individual agency,
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Speaker 10: good for individuals, good for families.
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Speaker 3: It's like watching a tennis match, Stephen, you get whiplash, Chris.
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Speaker 23: What this highlights is that the Coalition so far have
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Speaker 23: learnt nothing from the election loss. And what I said
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Speaker 23: at the time was firstly, there was too much me
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Speaker 23: to and they needed to differentiate themselves from the government.
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Speaker 23: They failed to do that. They're failing to do that again.
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Speaker 23: They're now saying this will bring productivity gains. Well, every
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Speaker 23: report I've seen says the productivity gains are there because
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Speaker 23: if you ask somebody if they work from home they
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Speaker 23: more productive, they say yes. Well, I don't know that.
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Speaker 23: That's a great barometer of this, and the anecdavidal evidence
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Speaker 23: here in campus says otherwise. But it's the same as
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Speaker 23: this tax policy too, the superannuation tax. Now they're prepared
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Speaker 23: to negotiate with the government. They haven't realized the government
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Speaker 23: doesn't need to negotiate with them on it. But again
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Speaker 23: they're now talking about tax increases. They've learned nothing about
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Speaker 23: the fact that they lost the election because they got
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Speaker 23: their messaging wrong, they didn't have clear, concise policies and
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Speaker 23: they stood for nothing.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to go back to the point you
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Speaker 4: were making, Christy.
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Speaker 3: The whole point about this was supposed to be federal
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Speaker 3: public servants. In Canberra, where Steven joins us from it's
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Speaker 3: surrounded by magnificent large buildings.
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Speaker 4: That are just usually chock a block full of public.
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Speaker 3: Servants doing not very much for very very good wages
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Speaker 3: and conditions, and now anything up to fifty percent of
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Speaker 3: them are home all the time. So if they want
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Speaker 3: to have work from home federal public servants, they may.
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Speaker 4: As well disband camera.
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Speaker 3: We don't need all those fancy buildings because they're all
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Speaker 3: just sitting on their farm at Queenbean, dialing it.
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Speaker 22: In they've been, or Bateman's Bay or Jobs Bay or wherever.
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Speaker 5: It is at.
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Speaker 22: Public servants accumulate wealth into their defined superannuation benefits scheme
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Speaker 22: and buy properties Chris, which I think we've identified.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 3: Some of them are on camp Evan allidays around Australia.
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Speaker 22: Yeah, exactly, so they are the examples. It's about effective
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Speaker 22: service delivery for the rest of the tax payer. And
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Speaker 22: of course the distance between public service residents and going
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Speaker 22: into the Capitol Hill Parliamentary District is not the same
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Speaker 22: thing as people living in far western Sydney and commuting
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Speaker 22: to the city, paying and absolute fortunate tolls and sitting
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Speaker 22: in their car for an hour and a half due
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Speaker 22: to lack of infrastructure, or people in Melbourne doing the
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Speaker 22: regions of favor and going to regional hubs such as
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Speaker 22: Bendigo and Ballarat and commuting an hour and a half
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Speaker 22: by a train. They are two very different scenarios and
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Speaker 22: again the messaging and the context of this was very
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Speaker 22: mismanaged by the Coalition. They left a gap and they
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Speaker 22: were wedged on it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they sure were.
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Speaker 3: Maybe the way to sort this one out is to
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Speaker 3: get all the quantas Chairman's lound staff to work from
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Speaker 3: home and hit the politicians.
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Speaker 4: Where it really hurts.
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Speaker 3: I just want to get your thoughts Stephen on the
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Speaker 3: campaign by the New South Wales government, the Men's government
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Speaker 3: against illegal tobacco. Other state governments are trying to do
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Speaker 3: the same thing. They're trying to crack down on illegal tobacco.
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Speaker 3: Isn't the way to fix this to cut the taxes
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Speaker 3: on legal tobacco.
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Speaker 23: Well, yeah, yes, that's part of it. But I think
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Speaker 23: if you want to be fair income about cutting the
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Speaker 23: illegal tobacco trade out, there's a bloke in the Parliament
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Speaker 23: in New South Wales that knows how to do this.
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Speaker 23: Anthony Roberts when he was the Fair Trading Minister in
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Speaker 23: the O'Farrell government, almost overnight eliminated synthetic cannabis market because
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Speaker 23: they decided that that was no good. He cracked down
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Speaker 23: on it. He actually turned the fair trading portfolio into
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Speaker 23: something that it had been nothing before. But it literally
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Speaker 23: took him about two weeks and there were no synthetic
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Speaker 23: cannabis outlets anywhere in New South Wales. So if you've
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Speaker 23: got the political will and you're prepared to enforce things,
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Speaker 23: you can actually stop these kind of things.
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Speaker 3: Well in Melbourne, Christy, this is the leading the fires
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Speaker 3: and violence.
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Speaker 4: This is a serious organized crime run.
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Speaker 22: This is a significant issue. And not only that, Chris,
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Speaker 22: it's causing massive insurance issues for small businesses who are
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Speaker 22: in strip malls and high streets around Melbourne who now
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Speaker 22: can no longer get insurance because these vape stores are
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Speaker 22: popping up in their complex, which is putting their premiums
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Speaker 22: extremely high. So it's another impulst on small businesses. In
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Speaker 22: actual fact, state governments can fix this, they don't want to.
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Speaker 22: Parents often say to me, why can't you just find
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Speaker 22: why can't you just prosecute people that are selling these
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Speaker 22: elite cigarettes that the kids are getting cheaply or illegal votes.
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Speaker 22: And the reason is because around Australia there's a mishmash
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Speaker 22: of regulation. Much of it sits with health bureaucrats. Please
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Speaker 22: joint governments put powers onto to go out and control them.
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Speaker 5: There the people responsible.
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Speaker 22: The police don't have powers in.
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Speaker 3: Many states, so time to get there up together.
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Speaker 22: Police powers, you'll fix the problem.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, thanks for joining us, Christy and Steven, appreciate it.
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Speaker 4: Catch you next time.
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Speaker 15: Now.
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Speaker 4: I just want to show you something.
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Speaker 3: Was happening in Sicily at the moment, because I love
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Speaker 3: nature at work. Have a look at Mount Etna just
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Speaker 3: at the moment, just an incredible eruption. There amount Etna
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Speaker 3: in Sicily, a relatively safe volcano that one people are
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Speaker 3: getting to see it so far without any harm being
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Speaker 3: done to people in the surrounding towns or villages. That's
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Speaker 3: all the time we got for you tonight. Thanks for
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Speaker 3: joining me. I'll be back tomorrow. Don't forget Chung Lay's
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Speaker 3: documentary at seven thirty In the meantime is Peter Kudlin