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UK Column News — 10th November 2025 · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Monday, in the tenth of November twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five, just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK Call
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  Speaker 1: Him News. I'm your Horse. Mike Rumson. My co host
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  Speaker 1: and studio today is Ben Rubin. Welcome to the program, Ben,
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  Speaker 1: and joining us by video linker Sandy Adams and Dan
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  Speaker 1: rasmuson my letter. In the program will more from COMP thirty,
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  Speaker 1: some news, some of it good related online censorship, and
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  Speaker 1: we'll be taking a look at children's well being and
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  Speaker 1: school's build But we're going to begin with the chaos
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  Speaker 1: at the BBC because, as everybody will know by an
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  Speaker 1: BBC Director General Tim Davie and CEO of News Deborah
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  Speaker 1: Turnus have resigned following criticism that a BBC Panorama documentary
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  Speaker 1: misled viewers by editing a speech by US President Donald Trump. Now,
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  Speaker 1: it has to be said there were a couple of
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  Speaker 1: other issues related to this that we'll get to a
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  Speaker 1: little bit later, but let's just have a look at
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  Speaker 1: what Panorama is said to have done. So the first
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  Speaker 1: clip here is what Trump actually said on the sixth
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  Speaker 1: of January twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to walk down to the capital.
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  Speaker 3: And We're going to cheer on our brave senators and
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  Speaker 3: congressmen and women.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's what he said on the day, But
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  Speaker 1: this is what the BBC panorama put out one week
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  Speaker 1: before people in the United States. Would you to vote
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  Speaker 1: in the presidential election twenty twenty four, We're.
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  Speaker 2: Going to walk down to the capital and I'll be
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  Speaker 2: there with you and we fight. We fight like hell,
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  Speaker 2: and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going
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  Speaker 2: to have a country anymore.
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  Speaker 1: So that was election interfere and spend, and but Britain
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  Speaker 1: doesn't do that, does it. That's only Russia does. That
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  Speaker 1: is not what happens.
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  Speaker 4: We are pere in perfect. We would never indulge in
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  Speaker 4: that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: No, except that we did well. It's not us.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, with stress. The bbceeded, as did many many
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  Speaker 1: others in the British media. We will come on to
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  Speaker 1: why that might be in a second, but anyway, let's
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  Speaker 1: just have a look at a couple of things that
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  Speaker 1: were said in resignation comments.
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  Speaker 2: So here's Tim Divvy.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, I wanted to let you know that
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  Speaker 1: I've decided to leave the BBC after twenty years. He said,
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  Speaker 1: This is entirely my decision, and I remain very thankful
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  Speaker 1: to the Chair and the board for their unswerving and
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  Speaker 1: unanimous support throughout my tiered my entire tenure during including
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  Speaker 1: during recent days. So if he had their support, Ben,
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  Speaker 1: why was he so keen to leave? Okay, silence, because
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  Speaker 1: it seems like an obvious question, but you know we
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  Speaker 1: might be asking, sorry, let's let's come back to tim
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  Speaker 1: divvy for a second. So he went on to say,
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  Speaker 1: you might be asking why now, why this moment, And
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  Speaker 1: his excuse was that the timing allows a new director
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  Speaker 1: general to help shipe the next charter, because of course
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  Speaker 1: the role charter is up for renewal and the question
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  Speaker 1: is whether the BBC is going to continue in its present.
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  Speaker 2: Form or not.
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  Speaker 1: He said, I believe we are in a strong position
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  Speaker 1: to deliver growth now. Deborah Turnus then, for her part,
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  Speaker 1: did at least acknowledge that it was the Trump thing,
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  Speaker 1: which was at least partly the reason for her departure.
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  Speaker 1: She said, I've never been more proud of the work
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  Speaker 1: that you do every day. Speaking about other BBC News journalists, She's,
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  Speaker 1: of course, was chief executive of BBC News. You really
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  Speaker 1: are the best of the best. She said, I've taken
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  Speaker 1: the difficult decision that it will no longer be my
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  Speaker 1: role to lead you in the collective vision that we
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  Speaker 1: all have to pursue the truth with no agenda. The
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  Speaker 1: ongoing controversy around the panorama and President Trump has reached
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  Speaker 1: the stage where it is causing damage to the BBC
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  Speaker 1: and institution I love, she said, But she finished by saying,
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  Speaker 1: I pleay to you, please keep the courage to continue
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  Speaker 1: our mission. She didn't, but everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Else has to.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently, I'm only sorry she said that I won't be
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  Speaker 1: there to lead you and champion your bridge brilliant journalism.
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  Speaker 1: Do you recognize the brilliant journalism that she's talking about?
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  Speaker 4: No, absolutely not. And I'm amazed that this that has
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  Speaker 4: triggered this response. You think about all the things that
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  Speaker 4: have happened over the past three four five years, and
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  Speaker 4: it's this It's got them.
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  Speaker 2: Well is it that?
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  Speaker 1: Let's just see So come back to the question to
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  Speaker 1: Davy's question of why now, Well, it's because of a
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  Speaker 1: story that The Telegraph published at the beginning of the
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  Speaker 1: month about a dossier written by Michael Prescott and sent
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  Speaker 1: to the BBC board. Now Prescott was an independent advisors
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  Speaker 1: of the BBC's Editorial Guidelines and Standards Board for three years,
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  Speaker 1: and he left in June. He left apparently because the
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  Speaker 1: BBC didn't act on the dossier and he seems to
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  Speaker 1: have taken it straight to the Telegraph or it was
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  Speaker 1: quote leaked the Telegraph in it, Prescott says. One week
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  Speaker 1: before polling day in twenty twenty four, the BBC aired
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  Speaker 1: an R long panorama special called Trump a Second Chance.
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  Speaker 1: He said, I watched the program and found it to
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  Speaker 1: be neither balanced nor impartial. It seemed to be taking
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  Speaker 1: a distinctly anti Trump stance. I raised my concerns at
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  Speaker 1: the EGSC, and David Grossman, the senior editor editorial advisor
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  Speaker 1: to the committee, was asked to review the program. He
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  Speaker 1: went on to talk about the editing of the Trump speech,
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  Speaker 1: but the Trump speech wasn't all that was mentioned. And
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  Speaker 1: I do wonder if it was his mentioning of the
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  Speaker 1: Warren Gaza which is the real reason for the back
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  Speaker 1: last year.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: The Telegraph goes on to say that when mister Prescott
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  Speaker 1: turned his attention to coverage of Gaza, he and mister
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  Speaker 1: Grossman had looked into report by a Telegraph colleague, Patrick Sawyer,
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  Speaker 1: about journalists reporting for BBC Arabic who expressed what the
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  Speaker 1: Telegraph describes his vile anti Semitic views on social media,
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  Speaker 1: and he went, I don't say in a statement on
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  Speaker 1: no other occasion in my professional life if I witnessed
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  Speaker 1: what I did at the BBC with regard to how
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  Speaker 1: management dealt with or failed to deal with, serious recurrent problems.
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  Speaker 1: The Telegraph didn't let it go, of course, and so
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  Speaker 1: two senior BBC executive executives have fallen on their swords.
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  Speaker 1: And this was a more recent article by the Telegraph.
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  Speaker 1: I broke the BBC bias story, said the journalists concerned.
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  Speaker 1: Its silence proves there is a serious problem. So the
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  Speaker 1: Telegraph has been pushing this for the last few weeks.
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  Speaker 1: But the question for me is is there any more
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  Speaker 1: here than an internal deep states? But because you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about Trump, who's been at the receiving end
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  Speaker 1: of British deep state operations since twenty sixteen. Actually, and
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  Speaker 1: of course the whole Russia gate was led by Richard
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  Speaker 1: Dearlove and Christopher Steele and the British intelligence agencies. We
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  Speaker 1: should raise at this point long standing reports the connections
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  Speaker 1: and cooperation between the BBC and British Intelligence. So here's
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  Speaker 1: one example of it from UPI about BBC Corporation new
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  Speaker 1: questions about BBC cooperation with British intelligence. Links to this
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  Speaker 1: will be in the show notes. But the Telegraph also
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  Speaker 1: has connections with British intelligence. Why spies and scribes have
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  Speaker 1: a lot in common, so said Philip Knightley. This article
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  Speaker 1: written by Philip Knightley, whose veteran journalist, quotes Eric Dunton,
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  Speaker 1: whose author of a book called Wars Without End and
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  Speaker 1: someone Nightly describes as a legendary Canadian war correspondent who
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  Speaker 1: worked with Routers and spent twenty four years on the
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  Speaker 1: Daily Telegraphs foreign staff. And this is what he said.
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  Speaker 1: According to Eric Dunton, during my time with Routers and
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  Speaker 1: the Telegraph, I was appalled by the extent to which
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  Speaker 1: the British news media cooperated with m I five the
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  Speaker 1: Secure Service and MI six the Secret Intelligence Service, and
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  Speaker 1: this widespread use made of British foreign correspondence by six.
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  Speaker 1: Roy Poley, foreign editor and later Managing Editor of the Telegraph,
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  Speaker 1: was a servile lackey to five and six Telegraph foreign correspondents.
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  Speaker 2: Were given direct orders to work with six.
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  Speaker 1: When I went to Moscow for the Telegraph shortly after
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  Speaker 1: Stalin's death, I was ordered to work for the six
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  Speaker 1: man in the embassy, who had the usual cover of
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  Speaker 1: press attache. Before I left London from Moscow, I was
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  Speaker 1: brief by six officials on what they wanted me to do,
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  Speaker 1: and he finishes by saying the Times in the Telegraph
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  Speaker 1: as I observed. As I observed it were particularly close
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  Speaker 1: to the intelligence services, but all the major British newspapers
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  Speaker 1: and the BBC apparently had degrees of symbiosis. Presumably this
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  Speaker 1: sort of thing still goes on indeed, but not just
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  Speaker 1: with British intelligence. Because of the beginning of the year,
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  Speaker 1: MIT Press featured BBC Middle East Editor Raffi Berg as
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  Speaker 1: a CIA and SAD collaborator. And so you know, the
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  Speaker 1: point here is we have seen the media being used
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  Speaker 1: by the deep state for forever in fact, and certainly
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  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen to twenty twenty they certainly we were pushing
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  Speaker 1: the Russia Get narrative with the full support of the
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  Speaker 1: British media.
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  Speaker 2: Right the way through that.
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  Speaker 1: And now we have this resulting in the resignation of
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  Speaker 1: two very senior BBC executives. And my question is this
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  Speaker 1: some kind of deep state effort to get control? I
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  Speaker 1: don't know the answer to that, but it's a question
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  Speaker 1: needs to be asked.
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  Speaker 4: He certainly does.
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  Speaker 1: The next question that needs to be asked, then, Ben,
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  Speaker 1: is will Tim Divey go to Channel four because of
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  Speaker 1: course they also have lost their chief executive Alex Mann,
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  Speaker 1: who resigned earlier this year, and they're busy searching for
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  Speaker 1: a new CEO at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he can go there.
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  Speaker 4: In Channel five is as well. Okay, Well, I don't
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  Speaker 4: know three three out of the four big broadcasts.
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  Speaker 1: We'll find any any evidence of Channel fav All right, okay,
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, nonetheless, these are interesting questions and perhaps we
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  Speaker 1: need to be looking in these directions.
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  Speaker 4: Certainly. Yeah, and there's not really that many people who
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  Speaker 4: can do these jobs. They are, you know, as awful
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  Speaker 4: as the BBC is. It's quite a complicated thing to
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  Speaker 4: run an organization like that. So finding people who've got
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  Speaker 4: the capacity to do it and also be quite so
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  Speaker 4: heavily compromised by the intelligence apparazers and all the other
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  Speaker 4: stuff that they have to put up with, it's quite
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  Speaker 4: it's quite a tricky task. You might be looking at
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  Speaker 4: the deliberate controlled demolition of the British broadcasting system.
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  Speaker 1: It's quite possible, yes, but what what about the what
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  Speaker 1: about public interest media in general?
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  Speaker 2: Then?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, well, I mean this is a this is a
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  Speaker 4: global issue, right and we can talk about this controlled
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  Speaker 4: demoinition idea a bit more in extra because I think
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  Speaker 4: there's something to that. But this is not just an
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  Speaker 4: issue that's playing in the UK. The war for the narrative,
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  Speaker 4: it really is the primary battle ground of the global conflicts.
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  Speaker 4: Is the reason why UK column exists, is why we've
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  Speaker 4: been doing what we've been doing for nearly twenty years now.
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  Speaker 4: And things are ramping up. And I've actually got a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of good news for you, which will come
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  Speaker 4: to in this next segment, which is all to do
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  Speaker 4: with something snappily named as the Paris Declaration on Multilateral
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  Speaker 4: Action for Information Integrity and Independent Media.
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  Speaker 2: And it will impress rolled down.
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  Speaker 4: I haven't practicing all weekend, and it all centers around
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  Speaker 4: this organization International Fund for Public Interest Media I'll call
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  Speaker 4: it if PIM, for that is what they call themselves.
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  Speaker 4: We talked about them a little bit previously. I spoke
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  Speaker 4: about them in February, and then they're also mentioned back
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  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty three or put some links. You can
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  Speaker 4: go and have a look at those reports with a
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  Speaker 4: bit more background. But essentially, according to them, we fund
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  Speaker 4: public interest media for everyone because independent journalism has never
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  Speaker 4: mattered more. Now you will probably note the slight paradox here,
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  Speaker 4: the conflict between the two statements that we fund public
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  Speaker 4: injuriest media for everyone because independent journalism has never mattered more.
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  Speaker 4: And when they say independent media, that means media dependent
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  Speaker 4: on lavish funding from corporation states and billionaire back foundations.
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  Speaker 4: So states like Denmark, France, Estonias, Sweden, foundations like Ford illuminate.
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  Speaker 4: The Rockefellers are obviously in the game. They're Google and Microsoft,
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  Speaker 4: who are both part of the Trusted News Initiative. And
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  Speaker 4: that's NED yes, which was basically set up because it
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  Speaker 4: got a bit embarrassing when the CIA got caught funding
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  Speaker 4: all sorts of organizations around the world, so they just
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  Speaker 4: set up NED instead to do it for them. And
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  Speaker 4: last week, so this is who's behind if BIMs, who's
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  Speaker 4: paying their bills? Last week in Paris, nishwant Lalawany, who's
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  Speaker 4: the chief executive of if PIM went on a grand
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  Speaker 4: tour to gay Pari for a big handshake with Monsieur
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  Speaker 4: Le president Emmanuel Macrant, for a high level conference where
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  Speaker 4: twenty nine countries adopted a new declaration which I'll come
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  Speaker 4: back to in a minute, and MC announced a further
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  Speaker 4: ten million euro bong for if PIM. This is an
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  Speaker 4: extravagantly well funded organization and Nishant's boss, Mark Thompson was
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  Speaker 4: their former director general of the BBC. Amongst other things,
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  Speaker 4: he was beating the drum for public interest media, saying
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  Speaker 4: that reliable information is a public good. It needs to
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  Speaker 4: be supported and funded on that basis. That was important
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  Speaker 4: wording there. So reliable information is a public good. That
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  Speaker 4: was a key piece of the agreement that came out
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  Speaker 4: at the high level conference. But he was also interestingly
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  Speaker 4: sounding a note of not just caution, but I would
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  Speaker 4: also say alarm about the fact that the information war
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  Speaker 4: is currently being lost. Let's have a listen and be
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  Speaker 4: under no illusion.
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  Speaker 3: We are in a real battle here and it's a
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  Speaker 3: battle which is currently being lost in most countries. My
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  Speaker 3: day job, as Emilie said, I run the international news
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  Speaker 3: organizations CNN. Before that, I ran The New York Times
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  Speaker 3: on the BBC.
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  Speaker 4: I want to.
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  Speaker 3: Say, every day in my working life, I can feel
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  Speaker 3: this battle raging. It comes up every day. I talk
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  Speaker 3: to my friends in other international news organizations and domestic
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  Speaker 3: media in many countries. I've got contacts in many, many
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  Speaker 3: countries around the world, and by the way, not just
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  Speaker 3: the First world, but around the world. And with FPIM,
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  Speaker 3: I see it. It's happening everywhere. And we are losing.
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  Speaker 2: Good eh, Yeah, that is impressive.
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  Speaker 4: That's quite emphatic. They, i should say, are losing. We
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  Speaker 4: are on the other side of that, and according to him,
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  Speaker 4: we are winning, which is fantastic. Despite the fact that
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  Speaker 4: they've got gazillions of dollars to fund this whole thing,
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  Speaker 4: and the leaders of power in CNN that he currently runs,
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  Speaker 4: he's the CEO and the editor in chief of CNN.
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  Speaker 4: There's no separation powers there at all. An amazingly powerful
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  Speaker 4: position for him, right.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, And of course it doesn't matter how much money
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  Speaker 1: you've got. You can't make the lies the truth.
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  Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing.
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  Speaker 4: It's a force of nature, the truth, as they say,
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  Speaker 4: and they can't fight it, but they are going to
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  Speaker 4: continue to try and their solution to this is the
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  Speaker 4: same thing that they always do, right, which is to
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  Speaker 4: issue a declaration. That's what they've got. They think if
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  Speaker 4: they write it down hard enough then that will change
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  Speaker 4: things basically, So they issued this Paris declaration. Provide the
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  Speaker 4: links on the Elise website. Worth going to read this
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  Speaker 4: not too long, but I'll just summarize some of the
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  Speaker 4: key points. So this is said declaration I won't read
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  Speaker 4: out in the name again. You can see it on
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  Speaker 4: the top of the screen there, And essentially they declared
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  Speaker 4: that independent media is a public good. They tell us
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  Speaker 4: that the world is facing an economic, social, and environmental
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  Speaker 4: set of challenges. They declare that the decline in information
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  Speaker 4: integrity in one part of the world affects all all
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  Speaker 4: of us. So this is kind of this sort of
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  Speaker 4: interconnectedness thing that they're constantly pushing. They call for national
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  Speaker 4: and global action as well as multi stakeholder cooperation. They
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  Speaker 4: love that word multilateral, multi stakeholder. I think it's in
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  Speaker 4: this document about twenty times. It's all grounded in New
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  Speaker 4: end policy, so it's governed by the United Nations Global
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  Speaker 4: Principles for Information Integrity. It talks about interconnected challenges that
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  Speaker 4: I spoke about in a moment ago. They welcome very specifically,
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  Speaker 4: they name International Fund for Public Interest Media. That's a
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  Speaker 4: named organization in this communicate, amongst a few others. And
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  Speaker 4: they have committing themselves to sustain sustained public support based
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  Speaker 4: on multi natural and multi stakeholder collaboration as an issue
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  Speaker 4: of national and collective security. And that's going to require
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  Speaker 4: coordination across again multilateral, intergovernmental and again multi stakeholder institutions.
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  Speaker 4: And this is, this is, this is all they've got
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  Speaker 4: for themselves as far as I can tell, I'll draw
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  Speaker 4: your attention specifically to clause seven. I think this is
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  Speaker 4: equally interesting, which is what they say is mainstreaming information
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  Speaker 4: integrity is a cross cutting theme which is basically propagandizing
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  Speaker 4: the population at every level to understand that the information
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  Speaker 4: is a national security issue and basically saying recognizing the
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  Speaker 4: importance of access to reliable information as a condition for
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  Speaker 4: achieving wider policy goals. Everything hinges on this, including social welfare,
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  Speaker 4: gender equality, crises and conflict resolution, inequality reduction, strengthening democratic norms,
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  Speaker 4: national security, promoting transparency, exposing illicit financial flows. They're definitely
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  Speaker 4: not interested in that, and combating corruption and of course
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  Speaker 4: importantly addressing the impact of climate change, which is the
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  Speaker 4: unifying theme that ties all this stuff together, as Sandy
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  Speaker 4: and I are going to talk about a bit more
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  Speaker 4: later on in the show. This is signed by twenty
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  Speaker 4: nine countries, including the French, Australia, Estonia, the Netherlands, Switzerland,
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  Speaker 4: Ukraine and the UK. So we've signed up to this. Obviously,
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  Speaker 4: they're going to be working in partnership with civil society,
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  Speaker 4: media academia. All of them have of course committed to
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  Speaker 4: media freedom and they actually referenced, I said, they referenced
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  Speaker 4: a few other organizations. One of them was this one,
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  Speaker 4: which was really tickled me. This is the Media Freedom Coalition, right,
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  Speaker 4: because nothing screams media freedom more than clandestine groups of
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  Speaker 4: unelected officials sitting in dimly lit conference rooms deciding what
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  Speaker 4: isn't isn't true.
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  Speaker 1: Just look at that picture and many of that and
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  Speaker 1: many of them have five or six involved in their
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  Speaker 1: job titles.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, well, it's quite quite exactly, and it's directly controlled
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: by YUNISCO. So actually all of this sort of its independence,
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: everything's cascading down from the un and you're just playing along, right,
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: And they expect people to go along with this for
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: some reason, and they can't see how this is completely incredible,
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: as in its unbelievable, you know, so no wonder they're losing.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Thank you for that, Ben.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's move on then, and Diane, welcome you to
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: the program. And we do take a look at parliamentary
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: legislation from time to time, and the Children's well Being
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: and School's Bill is the top of your list.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: Yes, thanks Mike. Hello, it's great to be here today. Everyone.
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: I just want to talk a little bit about what's
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: going on with the Children's well Being in Schools bill.
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: I previously reported on this back in the sixth of
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: January twenty twenty five, so it's gone through the House
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: of Commons, it's now sort of in the reporting stage
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: in the House of Lords, and there's really no expectation
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: whatsoever that this will not get passed. Part of what
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: happened as this bill has been in development under the
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: Labor government and Bridget Phillips and the Education Secretary and
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: the other sort of government officials that are involved in
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: this is that they have involved a large amount of consultation,
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: as they're saying, public consultation, but mostly the so called
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: experts in particularly the academics and so in just recently
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: what happened was this report that was commissioned by the
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: government to have a so called independent curriculum assessment. So
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: what needs to be taught specifically in England going forward,
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: which will be mandatory to teach all children under this
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: Children's well Being in School's Bill which is expected to
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: go into place in the next year, and then the
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: new National Curriculum as being proposed right now, will take
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: effect in September twenty twenty eight to give schools some
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: time to prepare. The issue here, of course, is that
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: there are a lot of problems with the Children's While
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: being in Schools Bill. It causes a lot of problems
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: for people who want to homeschool their children, for people
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: who have different types of schools.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: And the idea is that basically.
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: There will be a national curriculum that everyone has to
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: be taught under what is being proposed here. And so
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: this is what I want to go into a little
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: bit more today, is the result of this report and
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: who is behind this report and what's going on with it.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: So the documentation for the INTA, all of the policy documents,
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: the report as well as on the government website. Is
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: available in the show notes. The final report is available here.
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: This is the one that is led by Professor Becky
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: Francis Cbe, who I'm going to be getting into later
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: on in this report.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: But there's so much in this.
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: It's a two hundred page report with appendices and so on,
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: so I want to kind of get at what they're
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: seeing is the basics of what they want to do
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: with the school curriculum starting in twenty twenty eight. But
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: I have some aspects that I want to look at
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: in particular because there's so much to look at, but
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: I think there are some issues that our audience will
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: be particularly interested in. So looking at this we can
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: see the MnGa, which is the National Membership Association for
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: Governor's Trustees, governments professionals in England State schools and trusts.
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: What's going on here is that there are several issues
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: that they have outlined by the NDA in this blog
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: post which says we'll take effect again in twenty twenty eight.
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: The first one is what's called a stronger focus on
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: skills and non core subjects. So we're not really sure
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: exactly what that means, but if you look at it,
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: it basically they're.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: Saying, well, we are going to be teaching things that.
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: Are not maybe maths, English, things that would have traditionally
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: been considered core curriculum are going to be changing. This
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: includes building a more inclusive curriculum. So a theme that
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: runs throughout the reviews recommendations, as it says reflecting the
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: sector's desire for a curriculum in which every people can
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: see their own life, culture, and experiences represented. This recommends
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: updating all programs the study to better represent the diversity
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: of modern society.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: So we're seeing the diversity.
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: Equity inclusion agenda coming in already reforming exams and qualifications.
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: So one of the things that they're talking about is
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: having fewer exams, making exams maybe not so difficult because
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: of the anxiety it causes students. So never mind the
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: fact that exams have been around for so long and
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: they are considered to be part of education. They want
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: to when they say reform them, they actually mean reduce
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: them and make them a bit simpler for everyone, especially
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: those who come from different backgrounds. Reach you seek high
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: stakes accountability, So we don't need accountability, apparently we need
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: less and then finally they're talking about strengthening vocational qualifications,
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: which includes a new third pathway which they call V
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: levels at level three, which will offer new technical pathways.
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: So if you go into the actual report and those
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: are the basics that have been outlined sort of the
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: major headlines is.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: Part of this.
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: What they're seeing when you go into some of the
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: details about this is that they are applying social justice,
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: which you can already see already in what I've introduced
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: with the diversity, equity inclusion. They also actually admit in
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: the report that England's performance in education has fallen over time,
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: and they put in there especially during the pandemic. If
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: you look at our series that is ongoing with Hugh
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: McCarthy who's been uncovering the issues of lockdowns for what's
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: happened during the COVID era when we had children locked
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: up and done in schools that we can see there
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: was a major impact on education and social development and
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: just everything related to what was happening to the children
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: and not being able to go to school. So it
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: goes on to say that they have applied to social
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: justice lens to all aspects of our work. It talks
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: about it's not inclusive to have certain methods of assessment
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: that we know about already talking about we need to
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: look at performance measures incentivizing particular behaviors maybe beneficial, but
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: also have unattended consequences. So now we're seeing the traditional
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: approaches to behavior change might be looking at a little
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: bit differently. What is being what is available, what is
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: not available to students in terms of how they're being
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: assessed from the traditional forms that we are all aware of.
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: They also talk a lot about the rise of AI.
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: We have to teach students how to use AI. They
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: talk quite a bit about the climate crisis bringing wide
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: ranging urgent challenges to address. There's a lot of issue
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: in this about the clas CI meant prices, teaching them
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: about sustainability, teaching them about which would be you and
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: sustainable development goals. Of course, so that level of indoctrination
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: with all of our schools going on talking about our SAT,
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: which is the relationship's sex and health education, which of
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: course is the sexualization of children and doctrinating them into
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: sexual content and other things that we shouldn't be in
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: my opinion, showing to children, which a lot of people,
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: including Commission would have covered in detail as well and
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: are continuing to work against. They talked about identifying and
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: protecting against misinformation.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: So that's interesting because what is misinformation?
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: And now that we've just had this report about the
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: BBC and what's happening there.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: This includes, for.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: Example, anti vaccine campaigns and climate change denial, is what
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: they will be teaching students is misinformation and as well
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: as unverified claims online. Well, who's doing the verification? Is
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: it full fact? Who's who's doing that claiming? That's we
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: need to look at. They talked about issues of believing
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: in conspiracy theories, that this is a problem, and so
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: a whole lot again about the climate crisis and how
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: this is all going to be put into the new
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: geography curriculum about climate education, sustainability.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: So what's behind all of this?
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: If we go back to Professor Becky Francis, who I
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: said is the sort of the has been headed up
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: heading up this report, Let's look at her academic profile.
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: She has a background. We can read her entire biographical
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: statement there. She has published especially on social equality, social identities,
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: and education. So the issue of identity, identity politics, gender theory,
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: longstanding interest and improving social justice within and support for
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: state education.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: If you look at a few of her papers.
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: And her background here, I thought it was interesting to
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: note that the UCL which has her university, says that
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: she has Sustainable Development Goals for quality education and SDG
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: ten used to inequalities because all universities now have to
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: report which SDGs they fall under. At this point, and
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: I've just got a few of her example of papers
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: we can grow through quickly, just so that you can
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: see the titles of some of these papers. A missing
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: piece of the puzzle exploring whether science, capital and STEM
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: identity are associated with STEM study at university. So this
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: is her most recent paper, one of her most recent
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: papers just from last year, Femininity Science and the Denigration
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: of the girly Girl. So hyperfemininity, fine, feminine, masculine. All
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: about gender again? Okay, so that's twenty sixteen. Back in
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: twenty thirteen, we have the submergence and re emergence of
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: gender and undergraduate accounts of university experience, gender and education.
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: So what is how does gender emerged submerge?
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: I have no idea.
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: We go on to the next paper, twenty ten gender monoglossia,
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: gender heteroglossia potential of Bacton's work for Reconceptualizing Gender and
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: the Journal of Gender Studies. This was a funded project
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: titled the Gender Subjectivities of High Achieving Peoples. She was
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: the principal investigator. And I had another video about Boxton,
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: but I think maybe we'll look at that in extra
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: time or running short on time. But basically, I just
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: wanted to say that Mikhail Boxton was fundamental to the
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: work that she is doing. He's been fundamental in and
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: developing educational theories. He was from Russia, and he is
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: in some circles considered to be a Marxist, and so
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: we're seeing now that sort of where this is all
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: coming from is that it goes back to a very
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: certain view of education, and he's important in education because
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: a lot of these theorists and gender critical people and
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: well notred gender inclusive people. I guess we could say
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: they're all basically saying that we need to change education
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: and the way it's done fundamentally, because this will then
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: therefore promote this type of very progressive ideology that the
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: professors are promoting. So I just wanted the audience to
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: be able to see what is actually at the core
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: behind what is being going to be taught to schools
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: in England starting from twenty twenty eight Mite.
• 29:12
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• 29:15
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• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Let's move on then and we stay on the topic
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: of schools, but Sunday, welcome to the program. What happens
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: if schools are lockdown?
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: Well, I wasn't really aware that that this was happening
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: until someone drew my attention to it, someone from Norfolk,
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: because their school seems to be preparing for lockdowns, and
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: so are many schools in the UK. There are documents
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: showing that UK schools have formal lockdown or they call
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: it invacuation or lockdown policies that explicitly state children will
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: not be released to parents or cares while the lockdown
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: is in effect. Now, this could create fear and anxiety
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: amongst children and parents. It also gives the state agency
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: over parents, which is a bit of a worry. I've
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: included links obviously to this in the show notes. Now,
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: can we go back to the other slide that you
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: flagged up to? A Yeah. The organization, which is the
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: National Association of Schoolmasters Union of Women Teachers UK, has
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: guidance on school lockdown procedures and they state, unlike fire procedures,
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: this will most likely require evacuation to safe area. The
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: guidance applies to all schools in the UK, England, Scotland, Wales,
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: Northern Ireland. The guidance mentions that the purpose is to
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: protect children, staff from terrorist extremist weapons attack until the
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: police arrive and more generally where the safety of staff
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: and pupils could be at risk. Now, this is all
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: quite chilling. Actually. A further guidance from Hampshire County Council
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: entitled Guidance to Support Schools in Managing Lockdown Procedures says
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: in the case of any lockdown instance, schools are encouraged
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: to communicate at the earliest opportunity with the local authority
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: for advice on you know, sort of no release to parents.
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: And obviously in some of these documents it actually has
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: a sort of a lockdown template that schools can use
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: to go along with this. Yeah, I mean there was
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: a there's a there's another A policy document from one school,
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: King Edward Primary School, a nursery, clearly states under its
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: lockdown policy pupils should not be released to parents during
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: a lockdown. Parents will wait for us to can contact
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: you about when it's safe to collect your child and
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: when and where this should be from. It also means
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: that there's currently no access in or out of the building.
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: Parents will be informed not to contact the school contact
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: and the school will block the school's telephone lines when
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: they're needed. So this document, you know, explicitly sets out
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: that during the lockdown, the school will not permit children
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: to go home or be collected by the parents untill
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: were all clear. And if you look at King Edwards
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: School document I have included in the show notes. You'll
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: see that there's a partner NGO called Transform which is
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: all about trusting in this plan which is a little
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: bit yeah, this is this is the slide for that one,
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: and it's it's about together we achieve you know, trust
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: and it's all about trusting and that was associated directly
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: with the King Inglewood School in Norfolk's plan for lockdown. So,
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: from a legal point of view, can a school refuse
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: to let you you let a parent pick up their
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: child if there's an emergency And, according to this blog
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: in a law firm called Threatened, absolutely yes you're not.
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: You know, the school can dictate, dictate that you don't
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: pick your child up from school.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: And so the.
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: Existence of these school level policies means that the practice
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: is not hypothetical. Individual schools do plan for this scenario
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: that children will remain in school and are not released
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: to parents during a lockdown event. And if you wish
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: to assess you know how widespread these policies are, you
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: need to check your local authority guidance and multi academy
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: trust policies or your school handbooks because you know, across
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: the regions England's, Wales, Scotland and Northern Lyomen do see
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: a consistency but will have differences in the way they
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: approach this. Now several schools are involved in this. There
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: is obviously King Edward Primary School in Nursery in Norfolk,
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: Amblecote Primary in Dudley, Bow Community School in Devon, Welshpool
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: High School in Powis where parents may be instructed not
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: to collect their two children and pupils will not be
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: released to parents during the lockdown. And there's Single Wealth
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: School in Kent. So it seems like this is a
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: real sort of a bit of a step too far,
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: and it's predicated on an unknown threat that you could
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: even be manipulated, we don't know. And in any threatening incident,
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: children need to be with their parents in my view,
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: and parents need to be with their children. So it's
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: quite concerning.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Sandy.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's move on then to online safety and well,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: the Culture is Secretary Lisa Nandy is usually ruled out
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: when we start talking about these kinds of things because
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: of course she is Culture Secretary, but she is apparently
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: very scared about what her ten year old sees on
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: the internet. Don't give them a phone and Lisa, that
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: would be the advice I would give. But I mean,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Lisa is trying to convince everyone here that the Online
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Safety Act is fit for purpose, but that we shouldn't
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: worry because the Starma regime is ready to provide further
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: legislation if necessary. Now, what, of course builds this narrative. Well,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: let's have a look at this. This from Civil Society.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: It's reporting that the Molly Rose Foundation, which is a
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: long standing campaign organization for online safety legislation, has received
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: two million pounds of donations from Meta and Pinterest. Both
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: of them were named in the in quest of the
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Mollie Russell's death. And my question to you then is
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: do you think it's appropriate for a charity campaigning for
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: stronger regulation and social media platforms to be taking money
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: from those same platforms.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: I think that might be a complicte of interest, Do
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: you think so? I think you might say.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Molly Rose Foundation says that they also received money from
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: anonymous donors that they have decided that they're not going
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: to acknowledge because they want to remain anonymous.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: So sounds legit okay, But.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: In the meantime, I've got some good news for everyone
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: because Full fact is in financial trouble. I Full Fact
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: recently announced that it was urgently refocusing its fundraising efforts
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: according to this article, following Google's decision to stop funding
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: it in January.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: No.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Full Fact criticized matter last January sorry for ending its
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: partnership then with fact checkers in the United States and
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: full factors saying fact checkers have never seen a threat
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: like this. So when we consider the tim divvy sorry sorry,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Mark Thompson was saying that that the battle has lost. Yes,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: is this yet another example of that if social media
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: companies are defunding fact checkers and full Fact considers that
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: fact checkers have never seen a threat like this?
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: I guess I guess it is. Yeah. I mean I
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: always I struggle with these kind of communications. They've been
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: making a lot of noise about this online. The CEO
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: of Full Factor has been talking about this, as you'd
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: expect since it happened, right, But they've got a big
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: fundraising push going on. But I just feel in the
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: background that they're still all kind of coordinating with each other.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Dout Google.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: They might not be giving you a million, but you're
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: still working together.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: That is true.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Well, look, in the meantime, Unheard has been lading the
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: success of the Online Safety Act here in stopping Brits
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: from accessing pornography. Now, this article is by Josephine Bartosh,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: who's often heavily criticized for being an anti trans commentator
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: and campaigner, but she's more of a campaigner for women's rights,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: and it's clear she considers pornography to be a bad thing,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: and I don't particularly disagree with that, but anyway, she's
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: excited in this article that Pornhub has claimed that their
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: British audience has fallen by seventy seven percent and so
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: everyone on the right of politics should be celebrating.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: But this is complete nonsense.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: First of all, the seventy seven percent figure comes from
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Pornhub themselves, who have an interest in convincing the authorities
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: that the steps that have been taken to so called
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: protect children are working because they don't want any further regulation. Secondly,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: no one to date has done any significant research on
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the actual use of VPNs that's virtual private networks to
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: circumvent the age assurance scheme, and offcome isn't doing that
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: work because they equally want to convince us all the
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: interssurance works, So everybody's got an agenda here, and the
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: seventy seven percent is therefore nonsense because it can't be proved.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: And Bartosh is simply misleading her leadership in my opinion,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: by reinforcing that claim. But the other thing she's doing
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: is ignoring the elephant in the room, which continues to
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: be that adults are still absolutely able to pose as
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: children on websites aimed at children. So it should be
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: no surprise then that in Texas, Attorney General Ken Paxton
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: says he is suing Roadblocks roblocks. However, you pronounce that
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: over flagrantly ignoring safety laws and deceiving parents about the
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: dangers that roblocks poses to young people. He said that
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: roblocks is a quote spreeding ground for predators, accusing them
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: of putting pixel pedophiles and corporate profit over the safety
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: of children in Texas. Now year, roblocks announced that it's
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: going to block under thirteens from messaging others on the
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: platform unless a parent or guardian grants permission. How do
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: they even know what age the kids are? They don't
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: and just make the point. Finally that roblocks is banned
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: in some countries, including Turkey, over the risk of grooming.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: So perhaps just fine Bartosh should consider this rather than
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: celebrating Itage Assurance, which is no more than a front
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: for digital ID and has nothing whatever to do with
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: protecting children or adults for that matter, from pornography. But anyway,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: where does that take us? We're building the ultimate trading business, Ben,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Who's building the ultimate trading book?
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: Someone's building the ultimate trading business. Yeah, this is Quadrature.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Let's get that up on screen. We can see this
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: the ultimate ultimated training business. You'll know there's no people
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: in this video at all. We talked about Quadrature previously.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: This is a training business, algorithmic trading business based in
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: this city, London and the Cayman Islands, highly tax efficient,
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: and it's part of a network of international capital, ruling
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: class families, Zionist groups, UK government backed supposed NGOs and
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: international corporations, many of them linked to the World Economic Forum,
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: who are funding and enabling a basically astro Turf neo
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: Marxist revolution to bring in a completely unit system of
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: governance in response primarily to this supposed climate crisis, the
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: claimate crisis. We've got to change everything in response to it,
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: and Quadrator are right at the center. It's basically and
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: they call it the ultimate ultimated training business. This is
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: like a perpetual profit generating machine. I think they've got
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: a huge data analytics system that basically tells them if
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: X N Y across the whole economy and they just
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: sit there taking a skim off everything and it's completely
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: a paqu It's a black box training system. It's based
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: in the Cayman Islands, so super tax efficient, and it's
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: actually described by billion the industry as being a bit
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: of a cult, right, so we can just see that
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: up on screen. It's a bit of a cult. We
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: have spoken about them previously. I'll put a link to
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: some of the some of the recent reports, and it's
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: a cult that's run by these two fellows, Greg Skinner
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: and Sonel Setia, who are big time maths and science guys,
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: finance backgrounds and then running this for about a decade now.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: They're very politically active, including by throwing loads of money
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: at the Labor Party, which they did last year. I'm
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: going to say it was just bad luck that they
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: gave it to the Labor Party in the window where
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: they didn't have to declare it before the general election.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: I'll give Kirstin with the benefit of the doubt, right,
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: of course, of course I think we should do that.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: But they're not just giving it to politicians. They're also
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: throwing it into an extraordinary number of different supposedly charitable
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: organizations around the world. A lot of that is driven
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: out of this thing. I mean, she's the Quadrative Climate Foundation,
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: which they established in twenty nineteen. She has been over
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: six years now, and they're basically saying that the new
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: climates reality demands unprecedented climate action. It's run by its trustees,
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: including the two Quadrative founders. But it gets really interesting
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: when you go and look at the advisory board because
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: you've got Rachel Kite, who's the UN Climate Envoy from
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: the UK, who absolutely will be a cop. So she's
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: straddling that kind of public private thing perfectly. Jeremy Oppenheim,
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: founder of Systemic, which is basically ideas and capital. They
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: talk about disrupting global economic systems to introduce new models
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: that make them a lot of money. Danny, I'm going
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: to say this wrong Swiss CANBERRAJA. I think I got
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: that right. Who's the TV executive of something called New
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: Economics Foundation, which again is this neo Marxist statist rubbish.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: Like you go and look at a lot of this
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: the material, it makes no sense, a kind of classic
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: economic perspective. He's also was formerly director of the Royal
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: Commonwealth Society, so a lot of this is very very
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: closely linked in to the British Commonwealth and there's an
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: extension of that. I think Samy's going to talk about
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: the Parish Climate Agreement in a minute, that was basically
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: developed by the Commonwealth and then implemented by the un
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: Commonwealth is extremely influential in this space, and that's overseen
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: by Charles the Third, who is the Head of the Commonwealth.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: And if we could just get that back up on screen.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: The other trustee of the Advisory Board member of note
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: was Emily Schuckber, who's a climate scientist from Cambridge University.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: Is you also co authored the Lady Bird Book of
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: Climate James with Charles the Third. Because they're just absolutely
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: going after kids at the moment, So they putting shed
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: loads of money into lots of international groups, so over
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: a billion dollars two hundred and thirty four organizations, some
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: of them of note, Rockefeller Foundation, so putting money into
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: the Rockefeller Philanthropy Advisors I think called South Hall Black
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: Sisters four million dollars over three years to organization South
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: All Black Sisters based up in West London, so kind
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: of community organizing group. Also got the Club of Rome
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: right at the pinnacle of the whole climate agenda at
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: the bottom there you can see they give them half
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: a million dollars. The New Economics Foundation, which is actually
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: run by one of the people on their advisory board.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: That kind of conflict of interest term coming back into play.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: Maybe IPPR Progressive think Tank four million dollars E three
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: g couple under grand to run Climate Action Week. And
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: then the London School of Economics. This fund called the
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: Amalgamated Charitable Fund, this is Black feminist fund. Ten million
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: dollars over three years. They're putting into this fund up
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: in North America and importantly for the purposes of today,
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: this thing, Civic Power Fund is to support community organizing
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: infrastructure for UK climate resilience. Right, it's going to have
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: a look at them, shall we. So this is their website.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: We can achieve so much more when we're organized community organizing.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: This is sol Olynski. Yeah, this is radical Marxist revolutionary
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: organizing being funded by international capital, right, and it's all
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: across the UK. They talk about their strategy being around
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: organizing people, building some civic infrastructure, funding the mechanics for
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: doing this ground on the groundwork, putting new leaders into
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: place who obviously have nothing to do with traditional leadership
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: structures here in the UK. As I said, they're all
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: around the country, particularly focused on North Manchester, North Wales,
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: Hampshire and Surrey, but they're absolutely everywhere and as I said,
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: they've been given the thick end of three million pounds
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: for the next three years and that's just from this
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: one foundation. Let's have a quick look at the team
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: because this is where it gets particularly interesting because this
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: is a network ultimately, so we'll provide a link you
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: can have a look at it for yourself. The one
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: that jumped out at me was this, you got Nick
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: Lowles from Hope not hate. I think it hate not hope.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: I always get it mixed up. But they're backed by
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: the Home off this. They we're in their state of
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Hate thing every year, right, Like, it's very clear what
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: their agenda is and they're in the same network as
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: have a little look. Alistair Murray is the director of
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: External Affairs from KPMG, which is a strategic partner of
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: the World Economic Forum. It's funny, that isn't It doesn't
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: seem to make sense how all of these things go together,
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: but they do. And then just the final one for
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: today's purposes, and I'm really just skimming the surface here
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: Citizens' UK, which is vice chaired by this lady Naeleene Cohen,
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: who is also the chair of the Elyth Synagogue in
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: northwest London, which is connected to a bunch of Zionist
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: organizations which is a very very common theme in this area.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: And you can see a bunch of those other foundation
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: groups at the bottom there who are planing money into
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: this whole thing. And just to summarize, let's just bring
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: those back onto screen. He got this Civic Power Fund
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: which is a Neo Marxist community organizing group being lavishly
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: funded by the Quadratri Climate Foundation, which is connected to
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: the King and a whole bunch of other people supported
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: through the networks of Hope not Hate, KPMG in the
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: World Economic Forum, Citizens UK. Essentially this is Zionism writ large,
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: driving towards community organization in the name of supposed democracy,
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: but is ultimately driving a what I think is going
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: to be a neo Marxist revolution. Is what they're What's
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: what's coming down the track for us here in the
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: UK and not just here everywhere. That's this is the
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: landscape that we're dealing with at the moment.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for that, Sady. Let's come back
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: to you then, and you've got a bit more on
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Cop thirty.
• 49:36
  Speaker 7: Yes, yes, I mean further to what you covered on Friday.
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: I've just been looking really at the at the conference
• 49:43
  Speaker 7: and what they've got sort of six items that they
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: want to address at the conference this year, and do
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: you and have said that these six issues will dominate
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: this conference. So the number one one of the issues
• 49:59
  Speaker 7: is how to prevent run away global warming. They're calling
• 50:02
  Speaker 7: it again, which is interesting. I thought it was climate change,
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: but they've gone back to the nineteen nineties and they're
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: calling it global warming. How to The second one is
• 50:10
  Speaker 7: how to protect communities from climate impacts. Number three is
• 50:14
  Speaker 7: how to make good on a trillion dollar promise. This
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: is what it's really about. It's really about all the money.
• 50:21
  Speaker 7: Follow the money. And number four, how to leverage creative
• 50:24
  Speaker 7: solutions to climate the climate crisis. Number five is how
• 50:28
  Speaker 7: to ensure fair and inclusive transitions. And number six, now
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: this one made me laugh, how to capture the mojo
• 50:36
  Speaker 7: of Paris and that then nostalgically looking back to the
• 50:41
  Speaker 7: Paris Climate Conference in twenty fifteen and thinking, oh gosh,
• 50:45
  Speaker 7: if only we could have people on board in the
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: same way as they were then, which is quite quite
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: interesting now. The Brazilian President Lula da Silva on Tuesday,
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: he put forward his vision how the Amazon rainforest should
• 51:02
  Speaker 7: be protected, a future that didn't depend on donations from
• 51:05
  Speaker 7: wealthy nations and a lot and large philanthropies, but instead
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: included a major fund that paid countries to keep forests standing.
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: Now is that this is how they're going to do it,
• 51:15
  Speaker 7: and he says, I don't want to say the word
• 51:18
  Speaker 7: donation any longer. He told reporters ahead of the United
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: Nations summit. He said, someone gives us fifty million. It's nice,
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: but that's nothing. He said. We need billions to deal
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: with our problems, problems of people who are living there.
• 51:35
  Speaker 7: Now as I as I go on, this will kind
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: of unfold. Now his tropical he's got this site idea
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: that they're focusing on the findante you know, basically, they're
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: focusing on the financialization of the rainforests worldwide, and this
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: is a reason they've they've they've met at Bellem and
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: it's a town very ill equipped to deal with all
• 51:58
  Speaker 7: the with with this huge influx of people. So the initiative,
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: the Tropical Rainforest Forever Fund is aiming to support more
• 52:08
  Speaker 7: than seventy developing countries that commit to preservation. So far,
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: that's Columbia, Ghana, the Democratic Republic of Congo, and Indonesia
• 52:17
  Speaker 7: and Malaysia. They've all joined. I've put all this in
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: the show notes, so there's a let's see in this
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: next video how the UNEP program described the Forest Forever Facility.
• 52:35
  Speaker 8: Introducing the Tropical Forest Forever Facility a new finance mechanism
• 52:41
  Speaker 8: that puts real lasting value on standing forests, giving tropical
• 52:47
  Speaker 8: forest countries long term incentives to continue their efforts to
• 52:51
  Speaker 8: preserve these landscapes. We were raised twenty five billion in
• 52:55
  Speaker 8: sovereign investment and philanthropy and one hundred billion private investors
• 53:01
  Speaker 8: to create a one hundred and twenty five billion fund.
• 53:07
  Speaker 8: This large scale, long term fund grows through smart diversified
• 53:12
  Speaker 8: investments generating higher returns, with annual profits going to tropical
• 53:18
  Speaker 8: forest countries at a fixed rate for every hector of
• 53:22
  Speaker 8: standing forest, with performance tracked by satellite technology the Tropical
• 53:28
  Speaker 8: Forest Forever Facility. We will ward those who have slowed
• 53:32
  Speaker 8: down the forestation below the world average and pay them
• 53:36
  Speaker 8: to maintain their standing forest.
• 53:41
  Speaker 7: So there you have it. I mean, it's very much
• 53:43
  Speaker 7: about the financialization of nature and who will benefit from that,
• 53:48
  Speaker 7: certainly not the people who Brazil, that's for sure. Now,
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: I'd like to just draw your attention to this document
• 53:55
  Speaker 7: which is included in the show notes, and it's called
• 53:59
  Speaker 7: The Full Solution, and it's by Mary Louise Malig and
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: she's a researcher and policy analyst and campaigner, and she's
• 54:07
  Speaker 7: currently the policy director of the Global Forest Coalition. I've
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: put this in the show notes. I don't know if
• 54:12
  Speaker 7: I mentioned that she's written on the issues of trade,
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: particularly the World Trade Organization and digital trade. So who
• 54:21
  Speaker 7: holds the paur springs in all of this, Not the
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: people who live in those forests, but a board dominated
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: by the donor nations, corporate sponsors and multilateral banks. This
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: is what the Rainforest Foundation UK and Global Forest Coalition
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: are calling the false solution a system that financializes nature,
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: centralizes control and sidelines indigenous and local voices. Let's have
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: a look at this. Step one is the countries apply
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: to join the t FF, which is the Forest Forever
• 54:54
  Speaker 7: Facility and satellites and data algorithms and monitor their forest
• 55:00
  Speaker 7: cover in real time, and if the canopy loss stays
• 55:03
  Speaker 7: below a certain percentage, the country receives payment. A minimum
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: of twenty percent of funds might go to the local
• 55:10
  Speaker 7: indigenous communities, but the rest flows through government ministries and
• 55:14
  Speaker 7: investment funds. And so the concept paper says as a
• 55:18
  Speaker 7: facility does not rely on donor grants but generates competitive
• 55:22
  Speaker 7: market returns for sponsor investors. That means nature is being
• 55:27
  Speaker 7: securitized and turned into a product with a financial yield.
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: It's also worth noting that the fund will be likely
• 55:35
  Speaker 7: to be hosted by a multi natural development bank, possibly
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: the World Bank, giving supernational institutions new powers over sovereign
• 55:43
  Speaker 7: and land management. Now, this isn't a grassroots stewardship sort
• 55:48
  Speaker 7: of governance by algorithm and big money corporation's pp private
• 55:55
  Speaker 7: public private partnerships and i'd just like to just flag
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: the four eras of control, which is really looking at
• 56:06
  Speaker 7: the long term how long this has been going on,
• 56:09
  Speaker 7: Because in the nineteen sixties and to the eighties this
• 56:15
  Speaker 7: was actually just called development. This is before the United
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: Nations got involved, and it was highways and dams and logging,
• 56:24
  Speaker 7: and it was colonization by the World Bank and the
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: IMF and USAID and the military of Brazil, and it
• 56:33
  Speaker 7: was really about opening the Amazon for extraction. Now in
• 56:36
  Speaker 7: the nineteen nineties it became sustainable development, and that was
• 56:41
  Speaker 7: backed by the UN Treati's Agenda twenty one, the Earth Summit,
• 56:45
  Speaker 7: Club of Rome, and that was all about globalist environmental governance.
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: Now we got to the two thousands and its climate
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: and biodiversity protection, which is again it's a gender twenty
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: one or twenty thirty carbon you know, markets and land
• 57:02
  Speaker 7: use restrictions and tone monetize ecosystems. And then in twenty
• 57:07
  Speaker 7: you know, from twenty twenty fifteen onwards, when we had
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: the twenty the seventeen Sustainable Goals, it's net zero e
• 57:16
  Speaker 7: sg's SDG's w e F, Blackrock, World Government and the
• 57:23
  Speaker 7: IMF and the World Bank. Again, digital carbon accounting, green finance, greenwashing,
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  Speaker 7: carbon offsetting, and this all consolidates in the technocratic control
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  Speaker 7: and over the economies of the land and of the people.
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  Speaker 7: So this is all about greenwashing and they who makes
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  Speaker 7: the money that you know that the banks do and
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  Speaker 7: the big boys. Now, I just want to go to
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  Speaker 7: ed Milliban because this made me laugh a little bit.
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  Speaker 7: You know at Milliban, he looks like he's tearing his
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  Speaker 7: hair out here. He's at the climate conference and he's
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  Speaker 7: he's saying giving up would be a betrayal. Miliband says
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  Speaker 7: at one point five degree, see target still is alive
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  Speaker 7: before you know, before the cop conference. But it's you know,
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  Speaker 7: it's it would be really funny to to just listen
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  Speaker 7: to his his his his little interview with Sky News
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  Speaker 7: because he's clearly worried about all this. So if we
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  Speaker 7: could just have that clip, please.
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  Speaker 9: Heed Biliband who joins me? Now, sex estate, is this
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  Speaker 9: a tougher gig than usual, you know, to also your
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  Speaker 9: biblical opponents and quite a few voters. You'll see as
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  Speaker 9: the guy who's sort of putting up bills net zea
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  Speaker 9: is expensive and he now to fly to Brazil to
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  Speaker 9: a private summit I can see the headline's being difficult
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  Speaker 9: for you, is it hot?
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  Speaker 10: Well, I actually don't buy that's where the public is,
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  Speaker 10: That's where sections of parties in British politics are. But
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  Speaker 10: I think what people know is that energy builds went
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  Speaker 10: up and the stay high with of our reliance on
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  Speaker 10: forfl fuels when Russia invaded ukraying the right way to
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  Speaker 10: bring them down is to drive forward with low carbon,
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  Speaker 10: homegrown energy that we control. That's what this government is
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  Speaker 10: rightly focused on.
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  Speaker 4: And I think what you.
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  Speaker 10: See here at COP frankly is the country is carrying
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  Speaker 10: on moving of clean energy because they see it as
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  Speaker 10: a massive opportunity for jobs, They see it as a
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  Speaker 10: root to energy security, and they believe it's the right
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  Speaker 10: thing to do for future generations as well.
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  Speaker 9: But give me a sense of the feeling because you're
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  Speaker 9: in corridors that are not permitted in I mean the
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  Speaker 9: Prime Minister spoke about that consensus fracturing. Obviously the position
• 59:32
  Speaker 9: of the Trump administration and America's asked to it has
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  Speaker 9: had I can feel some of the heat coming out
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  Speaker 9: of this process and a feeling that the momentum is
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  Speaker 9: possibly being lost and your plans don't really work unless
• 59:47
  Speaker 9: everyone else is on board too. How concerned are you?
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  Speaker 10: Well, look, first of all, we're doing the right thing
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  Speaker 10: for Britain's four hundred thousand new clean energy jobs as
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  Speaker 10: a result of our plans by twenty thirty. Is the
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 10: right way to get built down?
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  Speaker 7: Well, there he was digging himself into a very deep
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  Speaker 7: hole in my opinion. And have our bills gone down?
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  Speaker 7: No they haven't. And do renewables work, No they don't.
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  Speaker 1: Back to you, no, indeed, we can talk more about
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  Speaker 1: that than extra as well. Very briefly, Diane, let's just
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  Speaker 1: end the program with back to the BBC.
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  Speaker 6: In fact, yeah, since we started with the BBC, I
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  Speaker 6: guess we should finish with the BBC.
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  Speaker 5: Today, the BBC.
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  Speaker 6: Has upheld what they're calling impartiality complaints, twenty of them.
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  Speaker 6: Over the way presenter in Brazil purteen Crasil altered a
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  Speaker 6: script she was really live on the BBC News channel
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  Speaker 6: and that's according to their wording.
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  Speaker 5: Let's take a look at this clip.
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  Speaker 11: Malcolm Mystery, who was involved in the research, says that
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  Speaker 11: the aged, pregnant people, women and those with pre existing
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  Speaker 11: health conditions day to type precautions.
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  Speaker 6: So she had these twenty complaints and they were all
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  Speaker 6: upheld recently by the BBC's Executive Complaints Unit over her
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  Speaker 6: facial expression. So you can no longer make a certain
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  Speaker 6: face without getting twenty complaints against you saying that it
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  Speaker 6: was violating their laws of impartiality.
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  Speaker 5: Basically.
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  Speaker 6: Of course, we did have lots of people on the
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  Speaker 6: other side, which was mentioned in this article, saying that
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  Speaker 6: there were people who congratulated her for expressing views on this,
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  Speaker 6: including JK Rowling, who posted on next that she has
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  Speaker 6: a new favorite BBC presenter. So it's very unfortunate. We
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  Speaker 6: all know how I certainly know how stressful it is
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  Speaker 6: to go through these complaints, even when you're trying to
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  Speaker 6: stand up for what you believed to be reality. But
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  Speaker 6: I thought it was worth mentioning considering that, you know,
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  Speaker 6: what is impartiality Now we're seeing what happened.
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  Speaker 5: To the BBC just you know, well in the past
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  Speaker 5: couple of days, really.
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  Speaker 1: Mike, Yes, indeed, well look, Maurteen should being sacked for that,
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't she. I mean, other people get away with all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of much worse things than the BBC. But we
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  Speaker 1: don't need to worry about those. We've got to censure
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  Speaker 1: people who make expressions absolutely absolutely, yeah, I hope you
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  Speaker 1: really realize that that was a sarcastic statement.
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  Speaker 2: We've got to leave it there for today. What a news.
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  Speaker 1: We will talk more an extra and if you're not
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  Speaker 1: a UK called member and you can't join us for extra,
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  Speaker 1: you're missing out, so please do join us. See you
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  Speaker 1: then in a few minutes. Enjoy Germ tonight and Carl's
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  Speaker 1: as well. Will have an interview tomorrow at one pm,
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  Speaker 1: and we're back for the news at one pm on Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: See you then by