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We Publicly Apologize to Devin Haney · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner, U standing at six foot five, weight
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  Speaker 2: Put your hands together for Jamison Well.
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  Speaker 2: Put your hands together for Louis Montemo. Thank you. Welcome
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  Speaker 2: back to another episode of the Mine many podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, on one half of the show, Jamison Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm joined by Louise.
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  Speaker 4: Louise, what's going on, man, Jamison? I am so stoked
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  Speaker 4: to be back on the mic. We got a lot
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  Speaker 4: to talk about today. But first, before anything else, they
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  Speaker 4: gotta ask how was your Thanksgiving?
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  Speaker 2: It was cool.
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  Speaker 1: It was cool. It's as you get older, the holidays
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  Speaker 1: aren't quite the same. It's one of those things to
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  Speaker 1: where you know it's.
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  Speaker 2: It goes by. It's almost like another day.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like unfortunately now of course get to eat
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  Speaker 1: food and family, but for the most part, it feels
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  Speaker 1: like it's just another day.
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  Speaker 2: So it was cool. It was cool being back home
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  Speaker 2: for a day.
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  Speaker 1: And a half. Oh my mom, my family. So no complaints,
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  Speaker 1: but on all it was good. To get back to
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  Speaker 1: the business.
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  Speaker 3: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I see what you were saying about getting older
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  Speaker 4: and it being another day. But I guess Thanksgiving the
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  Speaker 4: one for me that's just been consistent because it's just
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  Speaker 4: stuffing my fat face. Like you know, there's nothing about presence,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, you're excited to get toys when you're
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  Speaker 4: a kid, it's different when you're adult. I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: Thanksgiving just just eat and pass out during the middle
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  Speaker 4: of the day and then drink some wine.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know, it.
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  Speaker 4: Seems like it's Thanksgiving. Seems like one of those easy
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  Speaker 4: holidays in between Halloween and Christmas when there's like a
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  Speaker 4: lot to do.
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  Speaker 3: It's just chilling, so I appreciate it. But but yeah,
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  Speaker 3: now we are.
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  Speaker 4: In December, episode thirty one of our show, so the
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  Speaker 4: first thing we've got to get to.
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  Speaker 3: Is the boxing News.
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  Speaker 4: Biggest story we got to talk about the Ring four
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  Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago in Saudi Arabia.
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  Speaker 3: Holy crap, Devin.
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  Speaker 4: Haney's return to the ring was mind blowing, completely unexpected.
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  Speaker 4: You know, admittedly, last episode I said on the record,
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  Speaker 4: I expected him to lose. I will have to eat
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  Speaker 4: my words. I've never been afraid to be wrong before,
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  Speaker 4: so I'm not gonna sit here and be like, well,
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  Speaker 4: you know, that's not really what I meant, blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'll own it.
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  Speaker 4: I admittedly I said that because of his performance in
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  Speaker 4: the last couple of years. We talked about how he
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  Speaker 4: hasn't looked as best since twenty twenty two. Didn't really
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  Speaker 4: see didn't really expect a lot from his performance this
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  Speaker 4: past to fight, but holy shit, man, you know he
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  Speaker 4: came out looking great, looking, strong, looking powerful. Devin Haney
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  Speaker 4: has always been made fun of for being quote pillow
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  Speaker 4: hands Hani, Yeah, believe that he spent I just want
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  Speaker 4: to get your take on what happened that night. What
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  Speaker 4: you what you think happened before that night to get
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  Speaker 4: us to that night, please, So, like.
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  Speaker 2: A box I was focused and had a game plan.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like the last few fights the focus going
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  Speaker 1: into the fights wasn't all there, whether it was out
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  Speaker 1: the ring stuff, whether it wasn't taking the opponents seriously,
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  Speaker 1: just felt like a guy that just didn't have it
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  Speaker 1: all upstairs mentally. Now you see a guy's focus, had
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  Speaker 1: a game plan, was sharp, looked in very good shape.
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  Speaker 1: It looked like the guy that was in line for
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  Speaker 1: big fights a couple years ago. It looked like that
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  Speaker 1: guy who was in you know that could have fought
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  Speaker 1: anyone from Tank to secure to whomever. So now it's
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  Speaker 1: very interesting to see going in twenty twenty six what
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  Speaker 1: we have. That's the force we've been waiting for. That's
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  Speaker 1: the Devi Haning that we've been waiting for for years now.
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  Speaker 1: Now going forward, the quality of opponents will be better,
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  Speaker 1: but I'll be it'll be justified to see how how
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  Speaker 1: he looks. But I can't wait bounce with you. I
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  Speaker 1: think that was a hell of performance. I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: was basically fighting for his career in a sense, because
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  Speaker 1: if he loses that fight, it's we've gone all those before.
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  Speaker 1: When you can get to these points in your career,
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  Speaker 1: you lose this fight, it's not looking good. But that
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  Speaker 1: being said, it's one of those situations where he took
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  Speaker 1: care of business, he knew it was at stake, And
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  Speaker 1: here we are now where we have a whole new
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  Speaker 1: situation to where he's going to be in big fights
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  Speaker 1: or big.
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  Speaker 2: Fight cards going forward.
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  Speaker 1: So that's going to be huge to see going forward,
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  Speaker 1: to see how he's able to keep that focus, maintain
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  Speaker 1: that focus going forward and see what's out there for
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  Speaker 1: because when you come off with victory like that, there's
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  Speaker 1: big fights ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Not only has that the hating we've been waiting for,
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  Speaker 4: that's the hating we were promised and never really you know,
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  Speaker 4: the promise is the word kept. So I was happy
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  Speaker 4: to say and keep in mind. You know, let's just
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  Speaker 4: be clear here, because I complained a lot about boxing
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  Speaker 4: fans writing fighters off after one loss, calling them bums.
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  Speaker 3: They were never good.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I never disliked Haitie like, I never had
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  Speaker 4: an issue with him. I didn't never wanted him to lose.
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  Speaker 4: I just wanted to see, you know, a great fighter
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  Speaker 4: in the ring. The promise that he showed I wanted
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  Speaker 4: to continue. So I wasn't being a hater saying that
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  Speaker 4: I really wanted to see Haini go down. I just
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  Speaker 4: expected it based on, you know, his performances of the
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  Speaker 4: last few years, especially especially the one from it was
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  Speaker 4: July fourth, actually when the ri Odd times Square event happened,
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  Speaker 4: which was like one of the worst boxing matches of
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  Speaker 4: recent memory.
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  Speaker 3: I think so yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I props to him, you know, sorry I
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  Speaker 4: doubted you king, I you actually you still got it.
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  Speaker 4: And I really really am excited to see what he's
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  Speaker 4: going to do going forward. With that said, are we
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  Speaker 4: now wanting to see that Garcia rematch that we everybody
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  Speaker 4: had written off earlier this year?
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  Speaker 2: So what is Ryan Garcia had done to get a
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  Speaker 2: big fight?
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  Speaker 4: I would say, I would say, you're correct, he probably
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  Speaker 4: hasn't done a lot, but I think his I think
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  Speaker 4: Hamie earns another sh to prove that either Garcia pop
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  Speaker 4: for like PDS in that fight there was a no contest.
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  Speaker 3: Either.
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  Speaker 4: He either Garcia needs to prove that he could actually
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  Speaker 4: do it clean or hayt It needs to prove that
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  Speaker 4: he that was a fluke on his end, because he
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  Speaker 4: looked good enough to fight Garcia again. The question is yet,
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  Speaker 4: do we want to see it? Do we think Ryan's
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  Speaker 4: a draw? I want to see it personally, just to
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  Speaker 4: see it just to see that fight how it really
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  Speaker 4: should be with both of them on top of their game.
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  Speaker 3: I think it would be exciting, But I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you do bring up a good point, Greg
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  Speaker 4: Garcia doesn't really is it really the superstar used to be?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we know Ryan Garcia for all the wrong things
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  Speaker 1: right now. Why things we know Ryan Garcia for right
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  Speaker 1: now are not box related. You know, he's talented, he's athletic,
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  Speaker 1: but in terms of like boxing, we don't know him
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  Speaker 1: or know a lot of him for boxing stuff at
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  Speaker 1: this time.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest issue, is that right now
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  Speaker 1: we know more of the antics with.
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  Speaker 2: Him than the app for boxing.
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  Speaker 1: I think it'd be in Devin Hanney's best interest to
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  Speaker 1: get away from that side show at the point in
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  Speaker 1: time you can come back to that that's not going overhere.
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  Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia always gonna be around for that redemption fight.
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  Speaker 1: I would try to take a better fight to move
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  Speaker 1: up in the ranks and prepare myself for a title
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  Speaker 1: fight or a bigger money fight. The Ryan Garcia situation,
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  Speaker 1: and it kind of is what it is at this time.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think Ryan Garcia is a serious boxer. I
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  Speaker 1: think Ryan Garcia is a content creator, mass rating as
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  Speaker 1: a boxer, but I don't think he's a serious boxer
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  Speaker 1: after this time until he proves me otherwise.
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  Speaker 3: That's totally fair.
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  Speaker 4: And like I said, I'm only speaking of a rematch
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  Speaker 4: because of I personally want to see.
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  Speaker 3: I want to see it done right, I guess, is
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  Speaker 3: what I'm trying to say. You know, I'd be happy
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  Speaker 3: to have him running back.
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  Speaker 4: I would have been happy to have him run it
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  Speaker 4: back after you know, that initial fight.
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  Speaker 3: But then yeah, Ryan Garcia.
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  Speaker 4: But then again, Ryan Garcia always he always says that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, well, I'm focused on different, I'm not doing this,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not doing that. But then antics come into play.
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  Speaker 4: His social media starts getting weird, and then he says, well,
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  Speaker 4: I'm ready, I'm focus.
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  Speaker 3: Blah blah blahlah blah.
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  Speaker 4: So it's kind of a pattern with him. It's kind
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  Speaker 4: of part of the game plan by the ticket ride.
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  Speaker 4: The ride kind of a thing, you know. But like
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  Speaker 4: I said, I want to see this Hainy against that
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  Speaker 4: Ryan Garcia is after seeing this, right, But I guess
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  Speaker 4: you're right. I guess maybe he's probably not the best move.
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  Speaker 3: For him going forward. He's got some other potential matchup.
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  Speaker 4: They're talking about the British fighter Connor Ben, you know,
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  Speaker 4: who had a couple of good fights recently.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the sky's the limit for Devin Haney after
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  Speaker 4: that performance, It's so crazy.
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  Speaker 3: I had mentioned that I was excited.
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  Speaker 4: For this Ring four event and I said, you know,
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  Speaker 4: not Canella Crawford levels of excitement by any means. But
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  Speaker 4: afterwards I did feel the same way I felt after
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  Speaker 4: Kanella Crawford, and that it reminded me of why I
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  Speaker 4: love boxing so much, because anything could happen, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the most unexpected thing, even hell, just Bud Crawford going
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  Speaker 4: up whatever it was three way classes was crazy and
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  Speaker 4: the result was just unexpected exciting. And same thing with Hayden.
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  Speaker 4: You write the guy off and he just comes back
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  Speaker 4: in a big way. Something like that really just just
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  Speaker 4: motivates me, energize me, and just just makes it just
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  Speaker 4: reminds me why I love this damn support.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know, I mean, is there anything.
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  Speaker 4: Is there anything else that we can think to say
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  Speaker 4: about what Stevin Haney's future could look like.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm him, I'm waiting for the tim
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  Speaker 1: of female Lopez h Sircursey was in fight to make
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  Speaker 1: Before making any decisions, I see who wins that fight
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  Speaker 1: and then go from there.
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  Speaker 2: So that's where the money is.
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  Speaker 1: That's also potentially where a big mega type fight can be.
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  Speaker 1: So it's one of those things to where that's where
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm laying patient for the next month and a
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  Speaker 1: half while staying in shape, while marine focused. Also making
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  Speaker 1: sure that the dad is not doing anything crazy or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: So we're staying Folks were saying on key.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest thing with Devin because obviously
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  Speaker 1: is not issue, it's just I think the focus. I
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  Speaker 1: think in the first fight with Ryan, don't think he
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  Speaker 1: was well prepared for that fight. I think he took
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  Speaker 1: that fight very lightly. I think he was messing around,
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  Speaker 1: bullshitting and he got caught. Now Ryan was you know,
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  Speaker 1: Ryan had an unfair vantage. So it is what it is.
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  Speaker 1: But just in general, I don't think Devin Handy was
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  Speaker 1: prepared for that fight as he should have like he
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  Speaker 1: was for this one. And I think he has that
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  Speaker 1: same preparation and as the same camp he had going
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  Speaker 1: into this fight going forward.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be all right.
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  Speaker 1: Now there's certain guys I don't think he's better than
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  Speaker 1: but I still think he can put together.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of really good fights in the near future.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I I don't know that even this
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  Speaker 4: Heaven's Devin Haney that we saw a couple of weekends
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  Speaker 4: ago could be like Lomachenko very very clearly without any
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  Speaker 4: kind of you know, uh.
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  Speaker 3: Iffingness from from the audience.
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  Speaker 4: You know, he did beat Limachenko on the cards, but
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  Speaker 4: I think it was pretty universally, uh it was not
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  Speaker 4: everybody was on board that that was a very very
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  Speaker 4: clean win on Haydey's part. But yeah, I mean, how
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  Speaker 4: about this, Seeing just that the way you put Brian
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  Speaker 4: Norman Junior down in the first one, and how like
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  Speaker 4: Agro he was in his face, I was like, this
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  Speaker 4: man came to fight, He did not come to play,
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  Speaker 4: whatever happened this year, last year, et cetera. Like just
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  Speaker 4: the way he looked carried himself in his face, like
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  Speaker 4: this man is taking this fight seriously.
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  Speaker 3: And you're right, he was fighting for his career.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean, I'm I can't imagine that these boxers
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  Speaker 4: don't realize that.
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  Speaker 3: I can't. I can't imagine they're that insulated.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: You hear stories about how celebrities they've got.
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  Speaker 4: Their bubble, they don't really know what's going on in
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  Speaker 4: the real word, blah blah blah. But everybody's every young
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  Speaker 4: guy's got access to social media. You know, they know
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  Speaker 4: how they're seeing how they're perceived. Right especially these days,
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  Speaker 4: you can.
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  Speaker 1: See social media. But it doesn't mean if you're not
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  Speaker 1: taking heed to it doesn't matter. Why you can have
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  Speaker 1: all the social media to have all this stuff around you.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people who know what's going on doesn't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily mean they read the room.
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  Speaker 3: That's true. That's true.
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  Speaker 4: I guess it's more in the sense of I had
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  Speaker 4: to assume that Devin Hayden knew he was fighting for
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  Speaker 4: his career, you know, he didn't.
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  Speaker 3: He couldn't have thought this is just another fight. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. Let me, what do you think.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, I would hope he was. But we've seen fighters
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  Speaker 1: in that position before not taking to us either.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: He's got to hope that guys are seriously able to
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  Speaker 1: do what they gotta do, you know. So that's the
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  Speaker 1: biggest thing. With that being said, I think that going forward,
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  Speaker 1: I think he under valuable lesson.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just got scared straight and away.
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  Speaker 1: He went from a situation where he was in a
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  Speaker 1: really good spot, undefeated, wanted to talk of the you know,
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  Speaker 1: young guys coming up to Hey took, I say, no contest,
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  Speaker 1: but a loss, so everyone to classify it kind of
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  Speaker 1: gets forgotten about, has a lot luster outing, it gets
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  Speaker 1: really forgotten about, and then has to put together performance
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  Speaker 1: to really get things back on track. I hope he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have to go through those steps again because a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times you don't get that chance to do so.
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  Speaker 1: So I think he gets his stuff in order. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: it was good to see. I would think that he
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  Speaker 1: would read the room. But you just never know.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 1: When you listen to his dad and the people around him,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you give the picture that they don't think he
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  Speaker 1: needed to do so, so not quite sure, not not
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  Speaker 1: quite sure, to be honest with you, that's those.
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  Speaker 3: Are really good points.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you think you you could think that
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  Speaker 4: this is obvious to to us watching as spectators, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 4: and knowing where the the arc of somebody's career, but
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  Speaker 4: you never know what is going getting put into somebody's
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  Speaker 4: head by management training. Blah blah blah, people on the
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  Speaker 4: inside whatever. Yeah, and there's no formula to it. Like
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  Speaker 4: you said, there's been guys that really really needed to
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  Speaker 4: win and needed to take it seriously and just came
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  Speaker 4: in with the shoulders shrug of a fight and you're like,
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  Speaker 4: how do you not know that?
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  Speaker 3: This is?
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  Speaker 4: Like, go time, bro, Like what's going on? So that's
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  Speaker 4: that's that's fair to say. Another thing too that you
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  Speaker 4: mentioned is waiting for for sa course, he was the
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  Speaker 4: first versus Tilfia. We'll talk about that a little later,
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  Speaker 4: but that's at the end of January. Devin Haney in
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  Speaker 4: the last few years only fought once a year anyway.
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  Speaker 4: I believe this year he.
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  Speaker 3: Fought July at the time score thing, but I.
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  Speaker 4: Think the last couple so it's not like he's rushing
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  Speaker 4: to set, you know, to make another fight in March
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  Speaker 4: or something like that. Anyway, you know, if he continues
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  Speaker 4: his pattern, so he's got time to kind of wait
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  Speaker 4: it out, see see what the landscape looks like, and
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  Speaker 4: see if I don't know, if rang Garcia is still
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  Speaker 4: unjailed or whatever before he makes a decision. So yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I guess there's no real rush right now. Anyway, well,
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  Speaker 4: I'm excited to see what what Hanny does in twenty
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  Speaker 4: six is all is where we can leave that. Another
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  Speaker 4: thing we want to talk about at the event. The
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  Speaker 4: main event actually is they've have been a vitas So
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  Speaker 4: another pretty exciting pretty I think maybe maybe not easy,
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: easy work, but clearly showed against Anthony Yard. Skill power dominated,
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: got a stopage in around like been or something like that.
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: That fight.
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: Him not really super excited to talk about what I'm
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: more interested in. He's He mentioned at the end of
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: the fight that so David Benavidez, the Mexican monster from Phoenix, Arizona,
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: was it light heavyweight challenge, Canelo kept getting ducked, he
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: moved up to I'm sorry, I'm.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: Sorry he was at super middleweight challenge. Canelo kept getting ducked,
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: moved up.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: To light heavyweight challenge. Bevill got ducked. Bev All vacated
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: in the belt. So he fought Anthony Yard and the
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: other guy I forgot his last fight was, but he
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: said now his next fight he's moving up yet again
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: to cruiserweight to fight Souta Mires. So I've said this
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: for a while now that David ben Avitez is a
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: big guy naturally, a big dude. He's one of those
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: Mexican fighters that a rare Mexican fighter who's tall, has
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: a lot of weight, a lot of power. You know,
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: Usually our folks are little guys, you know, small or
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: chravisized guys. I've always said the Canelo was a little
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: guy that got beefy, but that does not make him
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: not a little guy.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: It seems like dy have been a venus is well.
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: First of all, one, it seems like he's listening to
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: me on the show, which I know you're listening, David,
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: I know you are, but I think he's sort of
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: fulfilling his destiny as the big guy who's challenging these
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: other you know, massive dudes and not focusing on super
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: middleweight or anything like that, which.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: Is great for him.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: The question is what does he have to do to
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: get his due? I guess you'd say, you know, he
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: keeps challenging the big names, he gets getting turned out,
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: he keeps making fights. To his credit, he's not just
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: dilly delling and you know, sitting at home whatever, cracking
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: a beer.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: He's out there trying to fight whoever he can. But
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: he keeps moving up and now he's a cruiserweight. I mean,
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: I can't imagine he's going to try a heavyweight fight.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: That might be a little too much for him. I
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: don't know, but you know, he's he seems to kind
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: of just be throwing anything in the wall and see
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: what sticks. I mean, what do you think about where
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: what moves does he have going forward so he can
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: really earn the earn the rick condition he deserves.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: No one's fighting him.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: No one that cares about their record or pride is
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: fighting him. Too dangerous, too big of a guy, like
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: you mentioned, very difficult to game plan for. He's a
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: big guy, a big reach powerful. I just don't see
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: anyone signing up for that. I understand why Canelo ducked him, Sure,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I get it, Like I like, that's if Canello had
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: problems with Bud. He had no chance for us to
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: be this like no, like there's this there's no game plan.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Even look at Canelo's arms. Canelos doesn't have a great
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: reef like that. He doesn't have long gang ARSI it's
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: not like he can you know, stay away and jab
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: and you know, put himself to a victory. That's not
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: the case.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: He would have to come inside, and that's just not Yeah,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: I don't see anyone that's like.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: A big name fighting him at this moment.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Could change in the future, depending on your money's money
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: money changed a lot of things, but I just.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Don't see it.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: I don't see anyone as a huge name fighting him
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: with that big said is in a tough spot because
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: as yours go on, you know, and you know, you
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: kind of lose obviously your own skill set over over time.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: If no one ever comes about, then you gotta take chances.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, you move up to you know, heavyweight,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: those are things into your mind because you can't go down.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: He's not gonna go down. That's not happening. So then
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: you got to start taking chances, and that's where guys
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: get caught. So we'll see what happens. But right now,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: he's kind of a guy without a with out an opponent,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: if that makes sense.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: There's not like a set and the Stone guy.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: He can fight at this time, right I mean, the
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: biggest opportunity for him is Bevo, and I think there's
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: a chance that he could just keep knocking out all
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: the contenders in the rankings to show like he's to
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: sort of force that fight, force himself into the spotlight,
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: and I think that's what he's doing. Honestly, he's just
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: kind of showing that, you know, he's building a he's
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: building his brand. Still of course, he's building a fan base.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: The more people see him, the more people they go like, Okay,
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: all these dudes he's fighting. It's looked like easy work.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: So let's see if maybe a beevill isn't if it's
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: a real challenge for him. You know, I'm speaking as
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: like the public perception hypothetically speaking, but.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: No, you're right.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, the thing about Benavidez is crazy. If for
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: those of you who didn't see the fight of you
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: just look up the highlights. You know, Anthony Yard, British guy,
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: like he was just huge jacked, one of the biggest
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: dudes that physically imposing dudes that Beneved has fought so far.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Benevid is tall, but he's very lean and like his
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: arms are lean. He's strong, he's powerful, he's got power punches,
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: but he's not that like massive jacked you know monster.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: That's that that other fighters look like.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: He's just got skilled But again, you know, neither was Chavez,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: for example, He's a very lean guy. He's got reach, speed, power,
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: He's he's that actual strong, not Jim strong kind of
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: thing that people say. So I think he's he's very
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: deceptive when you look at him and you're like, this
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: guy against somebody who's a huge and Jack, you know,
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: has giant arms.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: I think it's this. He's kind of a strange fighter.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: He's a weird fighter in ways, Like Tyson was under
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: six foot, under six feet, but he moved like a
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: he was a heavyweight fighter that moved.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Like a little guy, you know what I'm saying.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: Then it is a skinny guy that can fight giant
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: dudes really wild, right, And I just I just don't Yeah,
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: I think you're right.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, it seems it's hard to know where to
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: plug him.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: And I think that's part of his strategy of just like,
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: let me just fight any big fucking dude that will
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: get in the ring with me and show that I've
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: got the skills. You know, that's one of the greats.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: I just hope that it does pay off for him.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, where could this end up. Could there's just
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: be somebody that just kind of doesn't get their name
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: in the Spilight because he keeps getting dust and duct
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: and duct. I mean, how long can you avoid somebody
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: a fighter like this.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: That's the thing. It's tough because no one's signing up
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: for that.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: That's the thing.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: No one has anything lose is signing up. So there's
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: no one of note that's about, Oh I'm taking that fight.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Just don't see it.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I don't. I So that's because issue is.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Not necessarily it's more of no one is going to
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: take that chance the options available. So he's kind of
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: in a weird spot where he has to face guys
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: who are not as known and not as talented as
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: some other challenges, just because there's just no one there
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: that's willing to put their situation online to fight him
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: at this point of his career.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Right, And I'm going to admit to some ignorance here, you know.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: So the the weight classes go light heavyweight goes up,
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: the cruiserweight.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Then goes up to heavyweight. Heavyweight is two hundred and up.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: I'll be honest, I don't know a lot of cruiserweight names.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: I know Zudea Ramirez, I know that.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: You know he he fought people before.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: But I do believe Zudelemz went down don't quote me
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: on that, but I don't really know any of the
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: names that cruiserweight, Like, do you know if any like
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: big name and he started like, yeah, I focus off top,
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: no off top, Yeah, because I everybody talks about the
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: heavyweight class like that's kind of its own thing, and
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: because of a Canelo fan, I kind of, you know,
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: focus a little bit on the uh you know, super
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: bit of weight and then below because Mexicans fight it.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: You know, there were little guys they fight a uh
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: lower wait classes, so that kind of cruiser weight there.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: It just I completely ignored. I'm really ignorant of it.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: I don't keep up with it. So I don't even
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: know what is there for a Benevidi is to do
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: other than just kind of make some more noise as
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: to you know, him being a fighter.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: That that deserves the attention.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know what's what's the last big name that
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: fought a cruiser weight that a lot of people would know.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: I think Usik fought there for a while, but you know,
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: he's more known for heavyweight. Can you think of somebody
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: that's like, oh man, this guy you know that maybe
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: not everybody would know, like a Tyson or a Floyd
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: but just you know a lot of boxing.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Roy Jones trying to fight out a cruise of weight
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: when he fought were we or was that a heavyweight?
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: I don't remember, see this is that's the thing.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Was what it may have been heavyweight? I think Bruise
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: was a heavyweight. But it was a similar situation where
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: so here's the thing, Roy Jones ran out of people
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: to fight for a long period of time. Weird way, class, weird,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: a ponent situation, just a weird overall situation in general.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: So that being said, it's one of those things.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: To where you kind of just are in no man's
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: land in a sense, and it happens every now and then.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: This this, this happens for the last I would say
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: twenty years. One thirty five to one fifty four has
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: been like the money division, where there's always been a
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: bunch of guys, even up one sixty sixty, all those guys,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: all those visions have fights, there's been contenders and regardless
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: wanting to up and down.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: So there's never been those issues. But once you get
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: out of that one, since once you got one sixty eight,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: it's it gets rough at times, and then that's kind
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: of where right now.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: I say that I've always thought of and correct me if, like,
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: you know, this is something ridiculous, but I've always thought
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: that that's where heavyweight sort of cut weight to fight
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: because they didn't fight one to fight other heavyweights. Like,
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: no disrespect to people who fight at cruiserweight. Is that
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: that's in my mind how I always saw it. I
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: was just like, well, you know, if you don't want
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: to fight two undred fund, dude, you can just go
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: a little lower below that because cruiserweight actually we should
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: say it's it's between one seventy five and two hundred.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Okay, So so, uh, I know.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Like heavyweight pretty decently well because that's where you meet
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: your Bevall and better beev you know, had their their
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: couple of fights. Uh, that's where Canelo moved up to
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: fight Bevall and lost, so he went back down.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: But yeah, that little Noman's land, like you called it,
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: it's it's to me in my mind, it's always yeah,
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: just been kind of a ghost town. And I hate
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: to say it because again there's actual, you know, talented
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: fighters fighting at that at that class.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: I just I don't know, off the top of my head.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: You know, anybody who who who's a big name there,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: So I don't know, it's weird.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like I'm kind of rambling a bit,
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: because yeah, I'm just kind of just throwing out ideas
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: on the top of my head about what's going on
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: with Benavidez, what he could do, and what his game
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: plan is. But the bottom line is that that man
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: deserves big fights with big names. He's got the talents,
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: and it just sucks that he just keeps getting ducked.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, nobody's unbeatable except Floyd, I guess,
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: but nobody.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Is, you know, invincible in the ring.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: So there's got to be somewhere out there that sees
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: been a meat doesn't think I got something for him.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: I just I just hate to see this guy not
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: getting his DW. He keeps making fights, he keeps looking good,
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: but I don't know fingers crossed. Another thing I want
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: to mention about in general about that fight, So fellas
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: guys who work out a lot at the gym, just
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: so you know, just because you're atjective because your brawling.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Doesn't mean you know how to fight.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: So we saw in the guy that Anthony Yard, who
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: was a talented fighter. Don't get me wrong, but I'll
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: put it to this day, I'd rather fight a big
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: beefy jym dude than like a tall, skinny guy like like, yeah, yeah,
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: so fellas, you know, you go to the gym and
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: you you work out, you're in great shape.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: But remember big beefy arms, they're slower to throw punches.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: You know, the bigger roar, the slower you are. So
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: I think that's why Benavitez is gonna hit. Is kind
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: of a confusing fighter for people because he's you can say,
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: he's essentially kind of skinny, Like you could say that
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: and not be you know, and and be pretty fair
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: about it. But both boxing talent and power, you know,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: just just just be careful about that.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Fellas. Don't don't talk uh, don't talk shit just because
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: some dude is tall and skinny at the bars anyway,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Roy Jones apparently that fight against John Reeves was heavy weight,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: so got it? Yeah, got so? I don't know.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but oh, another thing I have to mention, uh no,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: shout out to Direct TV because the Ring four fight,
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: I went out to see it at so the neighborhood.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: My favorite sports bar and twos and has two locations,
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: is the downtown one. I wanted to stay closer to home,
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: so I just went there. It was raining and storming
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: like really hard and two soon that night, like it
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: was coming down, coming down, and the direct TV gave
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: out a couple of times the satellite dish on the TVs. First,
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: it happened before the Abdulla Mason fight. Well, during the
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: ring walks, I didn't miss anything. I missed at least
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: the whole ass round of the Benavitas fight because the
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: satellite dish went out, uh maybe even one and a half.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: I didn't miss the knockout, but somewhere in the middle
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: it just crashed and it was it was really awkward
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: because they had a DJ at the at the spot,
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: but the DJ like uh stopped and they turned the
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: sounds of the fight on for the whole bar. So
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: while we're sitting there just waiting for the direct TV
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: to come back, it just was silent and there was
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: just sounds of like you know, just people murmuring and
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: like you know, beard glasses hitting the getting set down
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: to the bar, and it was very eerie with the
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: rain outside it was a kind of creepy. Actually, I
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: was sitting there like the time stop, like am I alive?
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Am I? Where? Am I? Am? I?
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Am? I?
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Did I die and not know it? So that was
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: a little this pointing. Thankfully, you know, I didn't miss
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: the big finish, so but yeah, that was a I
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: was a little nervous out that I was going to
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: miss most of that fight.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: So yeah, speaking of a doula.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Mason, you know, he had a really good performance at
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: the Ring four event, went the distance, no knockout, but
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: he looked good. I think I don't think that he
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: had any There's nothing that he showed that showed he
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: lost a step where he wasn't ready. I don't know
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: what you thought about his fight, but I think he's
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: still still kind of building his brand new skills and
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: you know, could be a great fighter. I don't think
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: him going to distance kind of hurt him in any way.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know about you, what are your thoughts there?
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: So here's the thing. I don't mind as long as
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: guys are winning when they're coming up, I don't mind it.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes fights take on their own look of
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: how things go. I'm a big proponent of fighters getting better, right.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I think the big thing we've gotten caught up in.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: The past is guys look good and these you know,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: these fights that are building their resume, so to speak,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: to the point where they don't have room to grow.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: So when they do fight a good fighter, there's no
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: room to, you know, to show out. It's it's like
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: feel that it's time they're finished product. So I personally
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: don't mind guys that don't have a perfect showing when
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: it comes to some of the some of the smaller
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: fights that they're in, So I don't take a whole
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: lot of crea. Instead, as long as you don't look
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: very bad or long, you're not getting dropped several times,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: you're fine.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: In my eyes, this is more about getting.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Better, right, using this fight to get better, because I
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: think a lot of times the fight that doesn't go
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: through any adversity in all these pre fights, when they
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: get in the ring and something happens, they panic when
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: you're in there with somebody comparable to you or even better.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: So I like guys that don't necessarily win blowouts every fight.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I like a little adversity because you can lean back
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: on that and be okay when it's.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: A close fight versus the guy in there, So I
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: personally don't mind it. Like to me, my thing is
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: take care of business, get the W and move on,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: but also try to get better.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: No, that's a that's a really good point.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I well we can talk a little
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: bit more about about that in a second, but yeah,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: I would say overall this event, we didn't mention vam
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Rodriguez absolutely questioned in their Master Classic Boxing. Just beautiful performance. No, no,
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: no real opposition there. I would call it overall a
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: great night of fights. You know, I've given you know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Turkeyella shake a lot of crap about previous events, and
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: you know the a lot of them have not built,
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: have lived up to the hype, is what I'm trying
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: to say. But this one solid fights, very active, nobody
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: kind of dilly deallying, nothing boring. So just overall, it's
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: one of those nights where you could say, like, well,
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: you know, if you didn't know Devin Handy's history, you're
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: just like, oh it's a talented boxer.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Head a good night.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: You didn't see it as a blowout performance. But I
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: think that's cool to just have solid, solid activity from
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: everybody and it's just really really fun night. So any
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: final thoughts on just overall the Ring four.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: No, No, The biggest thing for me is having quality fights,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: like we always stay on this show. The more fights,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the mirror. We need to get back to where we
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: have fights on as much as possible. We have enough
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: boxes out there amongst all the classes that have fights
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: every weekend, right, that's so many boxes we do have
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: in terms of all the divisions and everything. We need
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: good quality fights as much as possible. So any event
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: that can produce that, I'm all for.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And it looks like that they're not slowing down.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: So the Ring, the breat season. The Saudi Arabian.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: Promoter, you know, they're having another ring event Bring five
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: with now Yeah in a way in Japan on December
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: twenty seventh, which I guess would be like Fighter'll we
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: probably four am, three am our time, so we'll be
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: looking forward to watching that on YouTube atter horns or whatever.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: But neither here nor there. And then their next event,
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: Ring six is going to be the Tefiy Malpus Shaker
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Stevens In fight, which I actually want to talk about next. Yes,
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: So it's it's locked in for January thirty first, so
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: it's going to be in New York City. We talked
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: about that, the potentiality of that being in New York
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: to females from New York, which of course from Jersey,
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: so kind of a natural choice there.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, my biggest thing that I want to talk
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: about is is this fight a big enough to bring
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: in a lot more casuals, casual fans into boxing, new
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: fans into boxing.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: You know, they both have their fans, they're big names.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: But I guess I also kind of fall into the
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: trap of I follow boxing and don't have a lot
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: of Like I don't have a lot of boxing people
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: that I talk to other than you and like a
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: couple of friends. So I don't know what the public
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: perception of how many people know who taylorpez, who know
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: who should Course Stevenson is. I don't know how popular
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: they are outside of the boxing world. So I just
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: want to get your take on what we expect for
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: this event and what's what it's going to do for
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: the sport.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: It's a big enough event because Shaker Stevens is an
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: active guy that likes to market things, so him being
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: out in the marketing trail for the next six to
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: eight weeks constantly marketing and fight. I think that's a
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: good thing. So I think that's cool. With that being said,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: there's something interesting about this fight because Tafi Mo Lopez
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: is also got talks a lot and does a lot
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: of things. To have two guys that would be constantly busy,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: constantly chap, you know, chattering it up regarding this situation,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: so I think that's a good situation all the way around.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: The casual fans is tough because normally you need names
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: that people know before they fight. It'd be one of
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: those fights where people know their names after the fight.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: After I'm going to a fighting can be However, I will
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: say this.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: This is probably the last fight that's just cure. Stevenson
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: is gonna be the B side.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: If he is the B side of this fight, this
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: is probably the last fight that he's the B side.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I think he's gonna take care of business in late January.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think this is the last fight where
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: if he's not getting the full the better of the
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: split or anything like that, this would be the last.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: This would be the last fight of that.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: I can see that. Yeah, I would definitely agree. You
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: make really good points about the marketing. I mean, Stevenson
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: is very charming, like he's just like a He's like,
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: he's good on the mic, he's photogenic, you know, he's
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: just just seems like he's he seems like a fun hang.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Just just to be honest, like seems like cool dude.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: H tell Febo is a pain in the ass. He's
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: a fucking cloud, and I sometimes I can't sit it.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: But sometimes he's really funny, Like I can't do that.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: He's really funny. But sometimes you just want to tell
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: him shut the hell up. So actually remember before that
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: July fourth event, Den he interrupted somebody asking Devin Haty
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: a question and he was.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Like, bro, shut up.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: You never stopped talking it, which is real, and tell
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: people just goes fuck Bill.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I just I just think that shit
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: is really really funny.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: So it's one of those like tales like gold dude,
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: I love to hate and hate to love talented fighter.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: So you know we're not I'm not talking.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: Taking anything away from that, but he definitely is a
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: attention getter.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: So I will say this that fight Shakur is actually
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: a huge favorite. Minus three fifty is a big favorite.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: In this fight.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: I didn't was not expecting that. You know, I think
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: he's gonna win. But yeah, right now it's minus three
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: fifty minut you got put up three hundred fifty dollars.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I want to hunter back to Femo is plus two
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: fifty mining that if he wins forever one hundred dollars,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: you bet you get two fifty backs.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: So it's very interesting betting lines. It seems like Vegas
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: and Powers that Be have Shakira Stevenson well favored in
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: this one.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, not to say that tel Fimo is like over
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: the hill or anything, but he's as as a close
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: personal friend of the show, al Bergsten said, he's got
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: more tread on his tires, you know, like I think
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: he's twenty eight, he's.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Had a lot more fights, and so I don't know.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, he did seem it seemed to be touching
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: over for him for a while after he lost to
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: cambosos Uh and then he had I remember a fight
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: after that where he won but he didn't look that
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: great blah blah blah. So there was conversation of you know,
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: has Tail lost it, et cetera. I think he's come
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: back strong.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: I think he still.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Got it, but definitely, you know, more has more fights
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: and more experiences on him than chakhor so.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Plus the thing twenty eight, that's that's uh.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: You're basically a Gramby in the sports, you know, not
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: that he's old at all, but we got to be
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: real about it. At boxing is a young man's game
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: and this could be you know, the handoff, the trade
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: off to the new big superstar, this at this weight class.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: So I don't know, I don't know.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Are you are you expecting personally Jameson, Are you expecting
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: a Stevenson win?
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, absolutely, Like I think it should have This
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: fight should pie taking place six months ago or not.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: It should have happened sooner. But that's the here nor there.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, they've been this has been talked to all over
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: a year now, these two fighting, So I'm glad we
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: finally got it. But yeah, Stevenson's a better fighter, you know, younger,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: more athletic, faster, you know, more sharper. He's the guy
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: that I said, Vegas coming out this strong with these odds,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: it makes sense.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would also predict the Stevenson win for sure.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: The only thing that I don't want.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: Is both of these guys kind of avoiding each other
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: because they're both very skilled. They're fast on their feet,
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: and then they're good at getting in moving out, you know, actually.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Get in there and dig in.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: Neither of fighters that will stand at the center of
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: the ring and fight each other stand toe to toe
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: if they don't need to. Stevenson has shown that he
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: can do it absolutely. But you know, these styles are
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: I guess say they have similar styles and how they
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: move and how they fast they are on their feet,
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: the hitting and the hit and don't get hit aspect
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: of it, right. But but I am excited, you know,
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: And as long as they they really come to to
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: to actually beat the shit out of each other and
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: put on a good show, I'm for it. So yeah,
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: I mean I I definitely would say I would say
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: if it goes the distance, I don't see a knockout on.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: The other end, Yeah, and then out boxing Chakuer though, well,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if that happened.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to think of a fight. I believe
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: it was last year. I think maybe that that I
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: saw Stevenson. I believe it was the one that was
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: on my birthday, and I do forget who he fought.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, tell Femo, tell Fema fought less here forget
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: who it was. Came out with the wind, but definitely
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: look like he got out classed an outbox in this one.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: And like he to me, he won, but like barely.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: So again, Tail isn't you know, invincible undefeedable.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Uh, and he's not.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: On out classible, that's unout boxable. And I think Stevenson's
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: got the good. So I think this is the fight that,
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: based on their personalities, like the promotion needs to go
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: real hard on you know, the interviews, the clips, the reels,
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: the shorts of them, you know, uh, messing with each other,
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: all of that stuff I think can get regular people
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: interested in boxing with two dynamic personalities engaging guys.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: I think this is one where.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: The personalities are right and it's fun. It's not not
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: just like Mike Tyson throwing to murder somebody and like
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: sexually you know, debase them and you know, eat their
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: bones or whatever. This could be a little bit more
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: lighthearted between them, and I think it's I think it
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: could be really really good opportunity to bring in new fans,
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: and especially again because these guys are young especially shakor
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: people that want to uh find a new fighter and
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: then and.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Follow them for a while and become fans.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: You know, like the field is right, the opportunity here
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: is just like it's theirs for the taking.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: So please don't.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: Screw this upright, be different than I don't know, like
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: if I became an archer better b a fan like
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: this year, I still a great fighter, but there's like
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: years and years that I missed out on, you know
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: what I mean.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: It's not like that.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, so well almost there, twenty twenty six is
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: around the corner, and I'm really excited about what's gonna
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: happen there. But in the meantime, let's switch gears and
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: move on to our segment that we call pop Pugilism,
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: in which we discussed a movie, TV show, documentary about boxing.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: And today I went back.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: Into the nineties. Ask ask your parents or grandparents about
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: the Nighties. Kids to talk about The Great White Hype
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: from nineteen ninety six, directed by Reginald Hudland, starring Samuel Jackson,
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: Jeff Goldbloom, Damon Wayne's, Peterberg, Jimmy Fox, stacked cast. That's
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: not even everybody in the cast but big names, but
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: it is absolutely stacked. So the story it is, it's
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: a boxing comedy, it's a satire about the boxing world.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: Samuel Jackson essentially plays a don king caricature trying to
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: make a fight for his fighter, Damon Wayns. The Grim
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: Reaper Roper is the name of the fight. Really stupid
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: name for a fake fighter. Like, I know it's a comedy,
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: but that's pretty stupid. But anyway, so Samuel Jackson is
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: trying to make a fight. His whole thing is Damon
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: Waynes's most recent fight was a financial flop because audiences
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: are tighter seeing black versus black fighters, they need a
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: white guy to inspire the hopes of white boxing fans.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: So he ends up finding Peter Berg, an amateur fighter
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: who defeated Damon Wayns, and convinces him to get back
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: in the ring. Uh and essentially a marketing a marketing
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: scam to try to, you know, build some hype of
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: the idea of a.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: White heavyweight fighter.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: So yeah, just before we get to talk about some
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: more about this movie and how it fits into the
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: boxing world and race and culture, what did you think
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: about it as it was Jameson, So.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: I remember this watching this movie when it came out,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I remember watching in the nineties. I remember it'd be
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: on HBO forever and Cinemax forever, so I've seen it
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: hundreds of times, hundreds, hundreds hundred of time.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: It was basically a playoff Don King, basically, that's kind
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: of what it was. And it was interesting because a
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: lot of a lot of the things you hear about,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: like boxes have a bunch of cars and.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: They get paid and everything but money. So it was
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: definitely fascinating.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, we know what
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: makes boxing, and boxing makes mixed culture fights. That's what
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: brings out the biggest car because you have two different
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: types of people interested in the fight.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: So this one was a case of black versus white,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: which was very big up until probably about the you know,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: the two thousands. Then ever since the it's been you know, black,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Mexican black, and some sort of Hispanic you know, country
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: or culture. So that's been the shift.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: But it was cool, it was funny, but it really
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: depicted a lot of what we've known boxing to be about,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: so that's that was cool.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't I remember seeing this on HBO while
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: channel surfing. I've never seen it all the way through.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: I didn't know that much about it, but I've seen
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: bits and pieces, like it's definitely familiar, but not enough
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: that I knew the story.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: And also I don't I don't know that. When I
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: was a kid, I really.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: Knew the the idea of the Great White Hope being
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: a real thing. So and sorry for those of you
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: who don't know, Uh, that's the thing that people will
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: find a white fighter that they would call the Great
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: White Hope because the desirous for them to beat the
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: black heavyweight champion.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Like it's not subtle.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: They're absolutely saying, like, we don't like that there's a
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: black heavyweight champ, and we need to find.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: A white guy to defeat him.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: Like that's been a thing that's been going on forever
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: of boxing. So that's kind of.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Why, Yes, that's why Rocky's created and had a bunch
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: of spinoffs.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: That's basically like when.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Rocky first came out in the late seventies early eighties,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: the heavyweight visual thing ran by black guys. So the
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: thought of a random white underdog guy, you know, being
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: able to be a black heavyweight champ was a thing.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: So the reason why we've had several of these types
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: of movies come out over the years. Is it kind
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: of tells a story of what they want or wish
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: to see, but a lot of times ain't reality.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and that's uh. I do like the
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: idea that they take that concept and make it into
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: a satirical comedy. I like that it shows the darker
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: side of boxing. I always enjoy when movies do that,
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: even though you know, absolutely love the sport. It's the
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: only sport I've ever truly cared about, I've ever been
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: invested in, I've ever been passionate about. But I'm also
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: realistic and I've dummy. Like I know, it's it's it's corrupted,
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: it's it's fucked up, and you know, people get screwed over,
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: people die, people get injured, it's very dangerous. I just
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: kind of always like show a little bit of everything.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: You know, a lot of boxing movies we watch and
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: talk about on the show.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: You know, their triumphant stories.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: You know, boxing brings people out of poverty, you know,
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: it brings them into fame, blah.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Blah blah, and that's cool.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Like I'm I'm happy to watch those movies, but I
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: do like this one that it's got shady backroom dealings.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: It's got you know, money changing hands for to hype
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: up a fighter who just for the sake of the
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: the show and not.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: Really the good of the sport, et cetera. You know,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: so that I enjoyed.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: I did get some laughs, you know, some some stuff
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: it doesn't hold up as well. You know, I do
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: appreciate the race stuff. The jokes about Race Star are
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: being front and center. It does not shy away from
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: any of that. You got John Reyes Davies, who plays
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: Gimli and Lord of the Rings, telling Peter Berg is like,
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: do it for the white race. You're Irish but they're
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: basically white, which is I almost relief.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: I was like, okay.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, also, it's a little hard to watch because
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: John Rees dave Is as the person is pretty racist.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: I remember him just like just going off on Terra's
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: about Muslims and how terrible they are from being Muslims.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: So that guy's just scum back.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: But there's some lines here that I'm like, it's it's
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: that that I like, Okay, it's not funny when somebody
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: says it's seriously, but with it when.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: It's in a comedic movie. It got me. It's not
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: okay to say, and you know, in in in mixed.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: Company, but uh, but yeah, I I liked, Like I said,
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: the cast is cool. Uh, Peter Berg playing Irish Terry Conklin,
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: The The Contender, The Challenger.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Uh. He actually ended up being.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: A popular director. I don't think his movies are very good. Uh,
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: but he's a well known director now. He works a
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: lot with Markey Mark. He did all the uh all
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: the Marky Mark saves, you know, people from real tragic
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: events like the deep water Horizon oil rig thing, the
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: Boston Marathon bombing thing. All those are Peterburgerys. He makes
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: kind of basic action movies. But so I've known about
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: that guy for a long long time. I knew he
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: did acting, but I've never actually seen him in like
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: an extended role. He did he did okay, But I
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: just think he portrayed the ridiculous character pretty well. Another
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: great line was they announced him at the press conference
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: as Irish Harry Conkline. Backstage, he says, I've got Irish,
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: and John Lovett says.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: It's boxing. It just means your white kid out there.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: So so that got me.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I here's one thing that I
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: was I was really curios about this movie that I
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: want to get your take on.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: This is very much an inside boxing movie.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Like I enjoyed it and I appreciate what it was
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: doing because I know boxing. But I can't imagine that
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: a lot of people who just want to watch like
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: a like a comedy or fans of Samuel L. Jackson,
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: for example, that they'll really connect with this. I mean,
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: but again, this is the ninety six when boxing was huge.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: It's not like it was now, you know. I just
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: want to see what your what your thoughts on and
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: whether how accessible this movie would be that somebody is
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: not a boxing fanatic and boxing obsess like we are.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: With that being said, I think it did enough to
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: show the back ground of the sport while being funny
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: and engaging. And I think that's a big thing.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Being able to show things in a funny light and
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: a funny light that is a thing that helps a
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: lot when it comes to these kind of things.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: So I definitely think that's the that's the case for sure.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good thing. I'm curious about it because
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: it's boxing. The actual fights are not front and center,
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: and the match at the end, it's not very well choreographed.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: You can tell these guys didn't do actual boxing training,
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: which is fine, you know, it's not it's not Michael
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Manzali or you know, anything like that, or you know Creed.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Where you can tell that, like, these dudes trained to
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: be boxers essentially.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: But it does seem like it's about the business. I
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: guess that's what I'm trying to say. It's so much
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: about the business of boxing that I'm I'm just wondering
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: your thoughts on you.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Know how.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: So thirty years ago boxing was way bigger in this
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: country than it is today, and a lot of people
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: who were who were of age, understood and knew more
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: about the business because at that time you had these
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: promoters getting sued left.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: And right, and you had a lot of horror stories.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: You also have a lot of stories about boxers not
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: getting paid what they were worth. So it's one of
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: those things where I think at the time it was
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: perfect because that's a time where Tyson got out of jail.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Also the time.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Where Vander Holyfield something issues with you know, his promoters.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: It was just a lot you always heard of boxers
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: not getting paid their full worth for whatever that meant,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: whether the contract was bad, whether the promoters were this janky,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: whatever it may have been. We always heard these stories
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: and these guys are always in courtrooms, and it made
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: the news.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: So I think at the time it was just right.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, I see that.
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and Don King was a very, very like prominent figure.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: A lot of people knew him, not just the look,
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: but you know, the way he.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: Talked, et cetera. So so I can see.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: I can't imagine anybody back then seeing a trailer for
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: this movie and not going, oh, he's Samuel Jackson is
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: playing Don King, you know, just with a different name.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Definitely, yeah, yeah, I thought it was fun.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: I also now we've seen like a bunch of speaking
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: of Don King, we seen a bunch of different portrayals
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: of him.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: It's Samuel Jackson playing him a character that is supposed
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: to be him.
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: We've seen Big Raims do it in the biopiic for
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: HBO and in the Sidney Sweeney movie Christy.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: We saw it.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't remember his name, but Cutty from the
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Wire playing gun King. What are your thoughts on how
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: sam Jackson sort of embodied the spirit of this character.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I thought it was great, did very well, did very
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: very well, and we knew what he was doing, right,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: we knew, we knew the role he was playing. So
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: it's very good man. Like I said, acting was actually
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: really good. They depicted the things that us true sports
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: and boxing fans know about all the way around, so
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: it was cool, like no complaints at all to me.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: The biggest thing in this particular thing was just showing
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: the real because all this stuff is real. You also
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: have a box that didn't take the fight seriously and
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: then turns it up when it needs to. You know,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: all these things that we've seen, those things we've actually
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: seen before in real life. So it's just like, yeah,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: this is all it's based on a true story in
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: some ways.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: To perform, that's just kind of how it goes. But now,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: it was definitely a good boxing movie. It's actually a
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: movie I would have someone to watch if they wanted
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: to know more about boxing itself because it covers everything.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I think Samuel Jackson is definitely someone that's
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: naturally gifted to play a don king because he's you know,
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: a big character, very carous, magic and just larger than life.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: And just to make sure it.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: Give a shout out to the then Chadel Coleman is the
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: actor who played dun King in the movie Christy that
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: we talked about last episode cutting from the wire. But yeah, no,
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: I that does.
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: That is a good point because the it has it
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: does have a little bit of everything, and if somebody
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: is I was under the impression while I was watching
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: that it may turn.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: Off non boxing fans, but I can see it from
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: your perspective.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: That it talks about shady business dealings, fighting itself, training,
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: et cetera, race issues, racism that it is. It could
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: be a good opening salveo for somebody that wants to
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: learn about the sport and honestly, for someone, honestly, someone
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: like me that never really cared that much about behind
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: the scenes stuff. I've heard the stories, but I always
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: only cared about what happened when the bell rang. Yeah no,
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: I kind of seeing it in a different light after talking
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: about it with you, So yeah. Well, And on the
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: show we rate movies out of four gloves, Jamison, how
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: would you rate The Great White Hype?
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Oh? Three point like six sixty six? Why? Very very good?
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: It wasn't perfect acting, but it is starting the purpose
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: It was really good. Like I say, it's one of
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: those movies where whenever it was on, I would mess
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: around and finish watching it.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: So it was cool it was always on.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: You know, we have hbos in a max se time,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: it was always on, So it's kind of nostalgic for me.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: I don't think it got a lot of didn't do
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: a lot of numbers in box office.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: It wasn't very critically regarded.
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: I think it's underrated, underseen and if you're yeah, if
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: you're a boxing fan at all, a modern day boxing fan,
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: I want to learn more about how it was in
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: the nineties. Definitely a strong recommend. I would give this
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: three point five.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: That's cool.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: That was definitely check it out.
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So Jamison, where can people find you on social media?
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Before we get a shout out?
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's been talked about or anything yet,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: but we are getting Crawford and Canelo too, and yes,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Crawford Angel for you win the first one, so we
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: are getting I would be shocked if we don't get it.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: There's no one else either got to fight. There's money there.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: The first fight was close enough for them to be
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: another one, So I think we get an announcement sometime
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: within the next thirty days or so that we're getting
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: a second fight between the two.
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: You know what, it's a it's December, it's Christmas season.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: Let's give it a little gift to some extra bonus
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: content here. Yeah, okay, before yeah, we close off, we
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: can talk about that. So Bud Cruffer did say he
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: wants one hundred amas for the fight, get it that
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: he deserves it. Do you think you can get it
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: from this?
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: If you if you put out Christmas Days saying hey,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: we're fighting in September again, you have an eight month
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: marketing plan for a rematch, and you go from there.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: I think absolutely absolutely. And you're having another.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Football stadium, whether it's a Legion or whatever. Yes, And
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: it gives you time to put on Amazon flo whomever.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Somebody got the bags. Somebody got it. And that's the thing.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: He's at the state of his career. He can't go
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: back and fight anyone else. There's no one else he
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: can fight for the money. Like it's like anything else.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Once you get used a certain quality of something, you're
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: not going back down to the net is not happening.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: So I equate the stakes once you have like fine,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: fine steak, you're not gonna settle for any old thing
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: unless you have to.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: He don't have to.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: He's the guy after in the position to bargain. Also, Canelo.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Canelo don't have a lot of other megafights out there anyway,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: even though he's a very popular name. We know the
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Mexican people will come out and support him wherever he's
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: fighting and will watch and we'll be ready.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: For the fight the whole nine. So a hundred million
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: might be a bit steep.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: It's one of those things where he might want one hundred,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: but he'll set up for seventy five as long as
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: he's making As long as he's the A side of
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: the fight this time and making the majority of the purse,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: I think he's okay with that. But yeah, here's the thing,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: there's no there's no other fight either of them can
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: fight at this moment, and there's still money for a
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: second fight.
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I one hundred percent agree that he deserves it.
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he doesn't. I'm
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: just saying wondering how realistic it is. But yeah, I mean,
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: Canelo his any other option for anybody to be excited
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: about a Canelo fight, Like really excited would be if
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: he either he fights Ben the beats, which you won't do,
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: or rematches Beople.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: What you won't do. In my opinion, I really.
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: Don't see either happening, especially not people because now he
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: knows that he can't beat the guy.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a big money in that him fighting
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Crawford again and vice versa.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: There's big money in that. There's a super Bowl type
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: of feel with that. Even though the first fight was
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: what it was, the scorecards were closer than we actually
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: thought in real life. However, there is money there, and
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: at the stage of both of these guys careers, there's none.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: Other mega fight out there for either guy.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: At this time. The longer we wait, the more you risk,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: you know, losing out on that fight.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: So that's why I said, I think we get announced
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: within the next thirty to forty five days.
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: Sure, And you're talking about the money side, what I'm
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: saying is that in terms of like to be excited,
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: I'll put it to you this way. So I'm a
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: Canelo fan, I'm always gonna, you know, tune in for
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: his fight. I'm aways gonna be excited for his fight
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: because there is a difference between him fighting but Crawford
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: versus him fighting honestly, whoever the hell he fought last
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: time in May of this the Cuban guy.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: It was a boring fight. I's sort of like.
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: I'm not even gonna look it up because I'm literally
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: just like racking my brain to talk.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Things where both of those dudes are at a stage
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: where the options.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Are very limited.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: Sure, sure, yeah, And for me saying like who else
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: could he fight?
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: For me to not just go watch Canello fight because
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: I like the guy, but who else could like get
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: me pumped up and like, let's see who you know what?
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: Uh, you know, if there's a challenge, maybe Canel can
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: be a bigger guy, et cetera. I'm not really feeling
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: other than I would be stoked for a bit of
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: being just fighter.
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: A BBO rematch, I don't see it happening. And other
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: than the but Craftord rematch, there's nobody else can I
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: can fight right now I can think of that would
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: really really kind of get me hyped, you know what
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: I'm saying exactly, So, yeah.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: I mean I want to see it for sure.
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know that I think it could be Canello's
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: big finale. It's big goodbye. So if he takes a
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: fight a tune up in May, you know another guy
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: that not super fights left.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: On the deal, right, Yeah, tune up fight in May
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: and then a September Dasta Swan song and everybody get paid,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: everybody have fun and everybody little happily ever after.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: And I wouldn't say and I say this, I say
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: this is a fan so you know, please let me
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: know what your thoughts are. I wouldn't say that would
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: be a bad career under for Canlo, even if he
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: loses to butt again. Even if he loses again, I'm
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: not going to say that, oh he's he went out
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: like a loser.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: Like BM blah blah blahot.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: He's fought everyone, like outside of beritaz. Uh. He he's
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: for everyone.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: And you know he's taken all challenges for about fifteen
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: years now.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: No, even if he retires on a loss, I'm gonna say,
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: we're gonna look back at that man's career and be
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: you know is there's no there's no shame in it.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: And uh, he's been excellent fighter excellent not just him
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: as a fighter, excellent for the sport, you know, the
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: biggest pay per view star, one of the few pay
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: per view stars.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Uh, And that's something we're gonna.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: Talk for a while. He carried after Floyd retired or
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: doever you want to call it. He carried it because
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: he was the main box office guy. He delivered most nights,
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: so gotta give him credit. Yeah.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: The only thing that I might be bound about is
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: after that fight, if Bud Crawford, you know, he's he's
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: forty now and he's not a young guy, like we're
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: not going to see I don't know that we're going
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: to see much more Budd Crafford now that he's a
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: big star and he's a big household name after this
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: Canel fight. I mean, of course we'll talk more about
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: this throughout the rest of the year. But you know,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: it's okay. We talked earlier about shakor beats Tale and Shakers.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: Now the guy, because he's got a flourishing career, you
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: hand over.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: The reins of the sport for that nation.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: Canel is not handing shit over to Crawford like comforts.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: You know, as great as he is, he's not going
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: to keep fighting fornt the ten years.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: No, and that's the thing.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: That's why I think another fight gets done because both
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: are kind of on borrow time.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Both are on hell. We need to know, we need
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: to get this done because there's no other payday like this,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: as well as the opportunity because it's only it's only
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: worth for both of those guys, it's only worth to
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: fight each other instead of fighting other people for the
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: big boy fights.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's an exciting prospect for the fight and then
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: a really interesting prospect for the boxing world after this happens,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: and you know, we'll see what what both guys do,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: if anything, If But does get his hundred, and was like,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: why help would he go back into the ring after that?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: Anyway?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Bestly at the age he's at, I mean he got
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: like six kids and I think one of the oven
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: something like that, or five to one on the oven.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: So I mean, if you can get another one hundred,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: if you can get another seventy five on the way
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: out or a hundred on the way out, you got
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: a confessly member. He didn't make a bunch of millions
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: long top rank like that. He was kind of underpaid
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: because with the ESPN deal, top rank being how they are,
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of weird. So now he gets a
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  Speaker 1: one final pay day on the way out. He's already
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  Speaker 1: good with money, as is I think he's I think
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  Speaker 1: he'll be all right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, No, I would be excited for I spoke
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  Speaker 4: about it right after the first one happened that I
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  Speaker 4: want to see a rematch.
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  Speaker 3: I would be excited for a rematch. Do we really
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  Speaker 3: need it? Maybe not necessarily, but I again happens, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well there's fights that we don't need that I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: get that shit out of my face plenty of times,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: So this is the fight that I need.
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  Speaker 4: That I personally, Lee would be very excited about. And
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  Speaker 4: you know, at the at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 4: it's all gonna be.
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  Speaker 3: That is what do I want to watch? Because yes,
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  Speaker 3: we can talk about what's good for the sport.
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  Speaker 4: But like I don't know, Jake Paul makes a lot
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  Speaker 4: of money for the sport and I don't give a shit.
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  Speaker 3: About him right right anyway, So on.
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  Speaker 4: That parting shot, literally, yeah, let's uh. As I was saying, Jamison,
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