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STEFANIE, 13, 'WALKED INTO WOODS' AND DISAPPEARED: BIZARRE INCONSISTENCIES EMERGE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Stephanie, just thirteen years old, walks into the woods and disappears.
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  Speaker 1: No way, this little girl did not just walk into
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  Speaker 1: the woods.
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  Speaker 2: And boof disappear and tonight, bizarre inconsistencies emerge amongst the
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  Speaker 2: various stories about what happened to Stephanie.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us.
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  Speaker 1: A teen girl, Stephanie, just thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: Is lost in the woods, say her parents.
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  Speaker 1: We're getting a lot of conflicting reports.
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  Speaker 2: The parents went overnight without reporting their thirteen year old girl.
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  Speaker 3: With God.
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  Speaker 2: As we all gather together this holiday season, whether it's
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  Speaker 2: around a manger scene, a Christmas tree, or Menora, we're
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  Speaker 2: together as a family. Not everyone has that blessing, that
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  Speaker 2: luxury to be together during the holidays. Tonight, please help
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  Speaker 2: us bring them home for Christmas. People across our country missing,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes for days, sometimes for hours, sometimes for years. Won't
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  Speaker 2: you help us bring them home for Christmas?
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  Speaker 1: Where is Stephanie?
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be a cold day in hgublel that
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  Speaker 2: I believe A little girl just thirteen years old walks
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  Speaker 2: into the woods and disappears.
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  Speaker 4: Listen despite extensive investigative efforts including a neighborhood canvas and
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  Speaker 4: video search, along within expansive grid search utilizing canines from
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  Speaker 4: Maine Warden Service and Main State Police, Stephanie is still missing.
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  Speaker 5: Everything is still on the table for us from her
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  Speaker 5: simply being missing to run away through the worst situation
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  Speaker 5: because we don't have any concrete tips that have let
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  Speaker 5: us based in one direction or the other.
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  Speaker 2: I find that very very hard to believe that there
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  Speaker 2: are no concrete leads or tips.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, you're hearing from.
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  Speaker 2: Special FBI Agent in charge Kimberly Millcuff from New Center, Maine,
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  Speaker 2: then Lieutenant Darren Karn from the Main State Police. There
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  Speaker 2: is a lot going on in this scenario, and to
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  Speaker 2: figure out where is Stephanie tonight, you have to go
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  Speaker 2: back to the bizarre living conditions where she and eight
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  Speaker 2: other children were living.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of a yurt y.
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  Speaker 2: Yellow utah are, Rhode Island, t Tennessee a yert to
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  Speaker 2: Chris Carson joining us special guests joining us tonight of
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  Speaker 2: New Sweden, Maine, a neighbor of the Stephanie Damron family. Chris,
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us tonight
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  Speaker 2: because is not very many people are willing to speak out,
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  Speaker 2: and I think I know why, but I'll get to
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  Speaker 2: that in a moment. Now, some of the children, along
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  Speaker 2: with the mom and.
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  Speaker 1: Dad, had left the yurt.
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  Speaker 2: Which has no heating, no air condition, certainly no WiFi.
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  Speaker 2: The mom and dad had gone up the street to
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  Speaker 2: live in a camper.
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  Speaker 6: That had heating, water the works, leaving.
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  Speaker 2: Stephanie and other children there with the grandpa no blood relation.
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  Speaker 2: So tell me about the yurt that these children were
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  Speaker 2: living in.
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  Speaker 7: Originally, when they first moved here, there was built beside
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  Speaker 7: the road to my Ford, kind of style looking octagone,
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  Speaker 7: and they actually carried it a quarter mile back through
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  Speaker 7: their woodcutted row that was gone and then then just
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  Speaker 7: been adding to it. One of our neighbors was down
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  Speaker 7: in there once and it was just cardboard and tar paper.
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  Speaker 8: And stuff like that and added on the sides of
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  Speaker 8: this thing.
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  Speaker 7: They did have a wood stove on the inside of
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  Speaker 7: it to keep it warm, but it was.
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  Speaker 8: Very poor conditions at that time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to understand how the mom and dad
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  Speaker 2: move up the street into a camper offered to them
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  Speaker 2: by a friend that has heating and has running water
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  Speaker 2: and other amenities, leaving their children behind and a yurt
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  Speaker 2: with grandpa who was not even their blood relative. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know where this guy factors in, but how many children,
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  Speaker 2: how many people, to the best of your knowledge, Chris
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  Speaker 2: Carson were living in the yurt.
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  Speaker 7: At that time when the parents moved up, it was
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  Speaker 7: just Richard, Stephanie, and Star so just the three of.
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  Speaker 8: Them, But before that it would have been all of
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  Speaker 8: them down believe it.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of Grandpa to Christy Wren, volunteer searcher for Stephanie,
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  Speaker 2: she knows these was like the back of her hands.
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  Speaker 2: By now, question Christy, who is Grandpa? That would be
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  Speaker 2: eighty year old Richard Turgeon.
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  Speaker 9: Richard is a friend of more than fifteen years of Dale's.
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  Speaker 9: He helped Dale through a rough pad long time ago.
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  Speaker 9: They became close bonded. He helped the family to kind
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  Speaker 9: of get on their feet and through some of these
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  Speaker 9: moves and transitions. He's followed them from state to state
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  Speaker 9: for many years.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, right there, you really got my attention. State to
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  Speaker 2: state joining me now, Dave Matt Crime Stories Investigative Report.
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  Speaker 2: I've done a little research on why they've gone from
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  Speaker 2: one state starting in Texas, to another, to another. Now
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  Speaker 2: they've lent and way off the grid in Maine.
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  Speaker 1: Dave matt these eight.
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  Speaker 2: Children, they don't all belong biologically to Dale Damron, do
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  Speaker 2: they actually?
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  Speaker 10: Lisa Murray Damron was married at the time she met
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  Speaker 10: Dale Damron and had been in an eighteen year marriage,
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  Speaker 10: and four of the children are from that marriage, four
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  Speaker 10: of the eight children she has had.
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  Speaker 2: Now, isn't it true, Dave mac Let's be specific. Just
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  Speaker 2: before a court hearing where the mom, Elisa now Damron,
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  Speaker 2: was to appear, she took off and she and Dale
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  Speaker 2: took the four children by the bio dad and left
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  Speaker 2: the state.
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  Speaker 6: Isn't that true?
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  Speaker 10: That is exactly what the biological father of those children,
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  Speaker 10: her first husband, had to say. He said they had
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  Speaker 10: an upcoming custody hearing, and she left. She took the
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  Speaker 10: kids and took off, and he has not seen them
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  Speaker 10: since and didn't know where they were until story broke.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I just wonder you know, Brian Fis Gibbons, you're
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  Speaker 2: the director of Operations USPA Nationwide Security. You lead a
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  Speaker 2: team of investigators to go around the world trying to
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  Speaker 2: find people. That's your specialty. Uspasecurity dot com Brian, maybe
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  Speaker 2: he couldn't find his four children because they're living in
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  Speaker 2: a yurt in Newst Sweden, Maine, way off the grid.
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  Speaker 2: You heard Chris Carson say, you can hardly get up
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  Speaker 2: the driveway such as it is.
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  Speaker 6: Let's see a shot of this place.
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  Speaker 2: There's no phone, there's no electricity, there's no heating.
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  Speaker 6: Much less air conditioned.
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  Speaker 1: No wonder he couldn't find his children.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And just to give folks some perspective, you know
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  Speaker 3: this is almost five hours north of Portland Main and
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  Speaker 3: you know another almost eight hours north of Boston up
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  Speaker 3: by the in the northern tip of Maine by the
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  Speaker 3: Canadian border.
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  Speaker 11: So you know, this.
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  Speaker 3: Yurt living with no connectivity, no cell phones. This is
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  Speaker 3: a very difficult and challenging case for investigators to get
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  Speaker 3: any leads or information to tract.
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  Speaker 2: Out to Christy rand joining us a volunteer searcher. She's
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  Speaker 2: been out being the bush, is trying to find then
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  Speaker 2: thirteen year old Stephanie, who's just a beautiful little girl.
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  Speaker 2: I can't imagine her alone out in that wilderness. I
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  Speaker 2: know canines were brought in and I'm going to get
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  Speaker 2: to that, but they didn't pick up her cent, which
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  Speaker 2: makes me suspect everybody's story because I trust a dog,
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  Speaker 2: best witness I ever put on the stand. Christy was
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  Speaker 2: a dog that said, Christy, I'm biased in this case
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  Speaker 2: because I've learned that there was another young daughter, now
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  Speaker 2: an adult, that ran away as well, and she won't
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  Speaker 2: say why she ran away.
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  Speaker 6: Isn't that true?
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  Speaker 9: Yes, that's definitely true. Lis oldest child would be one
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  Speaker 9: of the eight children being mentioned. She is grown now,
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  Speaker 9: lives out of state, obviously, is nowhere near where they
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  Speaker 9: are in New Sweden, and just wants nothing to do
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  Speaker 9: with them.
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  Speaker 2: See you know, that is for me my worst nightmare,
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  Speaker 2: that I'm cut off from my children or I'm away
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  Speaker 2: from my children.
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  Speaker 6: That would be hell to me. People say, what is hell?
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  Speaker 6: That would be hell to me.
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  Speaker 2: She ran away, and I guarantee you there's a reason why, because.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, think about it.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Jeff Koloshewski is joining us a renowned for psychologist,
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  Speaker 2: author of Dark Sides.
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  Speaker 6: And you can find him on YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, Doctor Jeff Kloshewski, forensic psychologist, It's like
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  Speaker 2: relationships when you break up and you break up and
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  Speaker 2: you break up over and over and over the relationships
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  Speaker 2: don't work out. At some point you have to think, wait,
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  Speaker 2: wait a minute, I'm the common denominator. Maybe I have
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  Speaker 2: the problem. When you have one child run away, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know whose fault that is. But when you start
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  Speaker 2: getting more one child running away, both girls who run
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  Speaker 2: away at about the same time in their lives, the
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  Speaker 2: parents are the ones.
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  Speaker 1: They're the common denominator.
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  Speaker 11: That's true. And the one thing about this case from
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  Speaker 11: what we know already is that this hopping from state
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  Speaker 11: to state, living in a rural area, off the grid.
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  Speaker 11: My big question is it sounds like there's a lot
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  Speaker 11: of secrets going on in this family or family situation
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  Speaker 11: that could be part of the reason why children are running.
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  Speaker 2: Away off dissecting what happened in the past. Why did
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  Speaker 2: the other daughter run away by the same time Stephanie
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  Speaker 2: Damron disappears, walks into the woods and poof disappears.
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  Speaker 6: That's not true.
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  Speaker 1: That is not what happened.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know what happened yet, but it ain't that.
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  Speaker 6: Let's go to that night listen.
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  Speaker 12: After a serious argument about chores, Stephanie goes for a walk.
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  Speaker 12: Lisa and Dale Damron are in town on a job
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  Speaker 12: interview when Starr calls to tell them about the argument
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  Speaker 12: and Stephanie running into the woods. It is three pm
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  Speaker 12: and the dam Rons think Stephanie will return shortly. As
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  Speaker 12: the sun goes down and Stephanie hasn't returned, the dam
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  Speaker 12: Runs are concerned and take to the woods, calling out
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  Speaker 12: for Stephanie. When Stephanie hasn't returned the next morning, the
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  Speaker 12: dam Rons reporter missing.
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  Speaker 2: Let me understand exactly Todave's Matt crime Story's investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 2: What are they saying happened to Stephanie.
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  Speaker 10: They were not home when this happened, and that Dale
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  Speaker 10: was at a job interview, and they got a text
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  Speaker 10: from Star saying there'd been an argument and Stephanie took off.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, that's the story that they stick with, but
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  Speaker 10: it makes absolutely no sense because of where they're located, Nancy,
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  Speaker 10: there's no restaurant in town nearby, there is nothing but
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  Speaker 10: open space, so there's no place for her to have
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  Speaker 10: just gone and left, and without being in the woods.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, she'd have been found. This is impossible.
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  Speaker 2: I asked you what they said, and that is what
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  Speaker 2: they said, and I'm going to follow up on that.
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  Speaker 6: You can't just drop a bomb on me and not
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  Speaker 6: expect me.
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  Speaker 2: To react to Chris Carson Senior joining us from New Sweden.
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  Speaker 2: He's one of the only people with the backbone to
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  Speaker 2: speak out about what happened to Stephanie.
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  Speaker 6: He's a neighbor of the damn Ron family. I've got
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  Speaker 6: a question.
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  Speaker 2: I thought Dale Damron was on disability.
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  Speaker 6: What job interviews did he say he had?
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  Speaker 8: It was Ruby Tuesdays.
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  Speaker 1: Did he get the job? I'm curious yet.
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  Speaker 7: He says that he did, and he worked there for
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  Speaker 7: a little bit, but the boss fired him because of
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  Speaker 7: the implications definitely being missing.
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  Speaker 2: So what I'm getting at right now, Chris Carson is
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  Speaker 2: did he really have a job interview that day?
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  Speaker 8: I do not.
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  Speaker 7: No, No one's actually tried to even confirm that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, okay, that's interesting.
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  Speaker 6: No one has tried to confirm it.
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  Speaker 2: Even if he did have a job interview that day,
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  Speaker 2: And let's just go with that, he did have a
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  Speaker 2: job interview that day, and apparently the wife felt she
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  Speaker 2: had to go along, and coincidentally, it was then that Stephanie,
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  Speaker 2: then thirteen, disappears into the woods, never to be seen again.
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  Speaker 1: Now Here we have.
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  Speaker 2: Dad Dale Damron first explanation as to what happened to
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  Speaker 2: his daughter.
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  Speaker 13: Listen, her sister and her got into an argument. Stephanie,
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  Speaker 13: from what I was told, took off through the woods.
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  Speaker 13: The trail used to be real prevalent through there, and
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  Speaker 13: it would go straight down to where the mud hole was.
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  Speaker 1: The kids would go down.
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  Speaker 13: There, catch tadpoles and everything. And that's what everybody up
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  Speaker 13: here assumed she had done, was cut through the woods,
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  Speaker 13: went down the trail, down to the mud hole and play.
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  Speaker 2: Well when we came home, got video from our friends
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  Speaker 2: at CBS News, they got home, No Stephanie.
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  Speaker 6: So maybe it's just me Christy Rand.
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  Speaker 2: But when I can't find one of my children, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know where they are, I immediately try to find them. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: why did they wait until the next day to report
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  Speaker 2: her missing.
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  Speaker 9: Well, according to the parents, Stephanie would walk away and
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  Speaker 9: kind of burn off steam, do exactly what they're saying,
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  Speaker 9: go for a walk, and then return home eventually. So
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  Speaker 9: at first they didn't immediately panic. They according to them,
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  Speaker 9: they assumed that she would return home. I'll never understand
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  Speaker 9: why they didn't make a phone call as soon as
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  Speaker 9: it got dark, But maybe Stephanie was known to stay
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  Speaker 9: out all night, just wandering the woods of New Sweden.
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  Speaker 9: I've never heard Chris would know better. I don't think
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  Speaker 9: he'd ever seen good Stephanie.
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  Speaker 2: Just what did you just say, Christy, that this thirteen
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  Speaker 2: year old little girl was known for staying in the
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  Speaker 2: woods all night.
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  Speaker 9: They say that she was known to go for walks
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  Speaker 9: and blow off steam and for some reason they didn't
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  Speaker 9: become alarmed when it got dark.
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  Speaker 2: Well, going for a walk and spending the night in
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  Speaker 2: the woods are two very, very different things to anyone
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  Speaker 2: on the panel tonight. Has there been a suggestion that
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  Speaker 2: she would sleep in the woods at night.
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  Speaker 1: I've never heard that till this very moment. Is that true?
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  Speaker 8: I have never heard of that either. That's the first time.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, I never heard that.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe that's just someone's speculation.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, what does the father Dale Damon have to say
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  Speaker 2: about not reporting her missing?
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  Speaker 13: Where we live at and the way we live at
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  Speaker 13: the first few hours, there was no reason to raise
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  Speaker 13: the ray flag.
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  Speaker 14: So we got the phone calls that she took off
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  Speaker 14: with the road.
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  Speaker 13: And we figured by the time we get home she'd
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  Speaker 13: be back and that would be the.
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  Speaker 15: End of Stephanie still hasn't returned an hour and a
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  Speaker 15: half later. Stephanie is very familiar with the woods near
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  Speaker 15: their home, and they check all her usual spots, but
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  Speaker 15: find no trace of the thirteen year old. The family
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  Speaker 15: doesn't think Stephanie would have headed to the main road,
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  Speaker 15: but as they walk the half mile trail leading to
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  Speaker 15: the street, Grandpa and some of her siblings remember hearing
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  Speaker 15: some kind of vehicle pass by. Just a few minutes
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  Speaker 15: after Stephanie left.
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  Speaker 2: You heard Dale Darmron speaking to on Patrol Live. We
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  Speaker 2: asked mister and missus Danmron to join us tonight. They
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  Speaker 2: did not want to answer questions about Stephanie's disappearance.
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  Speaker 6: Then nighttime falls.
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  Speaker 16: As sunset approaches with no sign of Stephanie, the Damren's
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  Speaker 16: become increasingly concerned that Stephanie is no longer in the area.
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  Speaker 16: The teen isn't responding to anyone screaming her name, she
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  Speaker 16: does not have her own cell phone, and temperatures have
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  Speaker 16: dropped more than ten degrees. First in the morning, the
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  Speaker 16: Damren's officially report Stephanie missing.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me about the search that then ensued. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: law enforcement had lost twenty four critical hours by the
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  Speaker 2: time Stephanie was reporting was reported missing at just thirteen
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  Speaker 2: years old. Please continue showing photos of Stephanie while we're
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  Speaker 2: talking in case it sparks anyone's memory. What happened then,
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  Speaker 2: Chris Carson, seeing you're joining us the darn Ron family, neighbor,
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  Speaker 2: when did you first discover Stephanie was missing?
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  Speaker 7: When I'm Kelly and I first realized that she was missing,
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  Speaker 7: it was a few days after they actually called the
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  Speaker 7: police the authority. My neighbor, Doug came over. Him and
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  Speaker 7: I were getting ready to go to town, and uh, Lisa
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  Speaker 7: stopped dan and asked he calls in, mister Doug, uh
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  Speaker 7: if he had it? Came across the road from the
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  Speaker 7: enjoying a career, across from the day Ron's property and
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  Speaker 7: h Then after she found out, no, he doesn't. Here's
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  Speaker 7: my because Stephanie was missing.
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  Speaker 2: I did what was his demeanor when he told you
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  Speaker 2: Stephanie his daughter was missing.
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  Speaker 8: It was Lisa that told us, and she was actually
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  Speaker 8: kind of calm.
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  Speaker 2: Chris Carson Senior, you're telling me you didn't realize until
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  Speaker 2: how many hours later that Stephanie was missing until Lisa
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  Speaker 2: Danron told you?
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  Speaker 6: How long had it been.
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  Speaker 8: Oh it wasn't hours, it was a couple of days.
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  Speaker 6: And you're their next door neighbor.
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  Speaker 8: Yep, right next door neighbor. Stephanie used to come here
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  Speaker 8: to the summer.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting to me to Franz Borghart. He
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  Speaker 2: is a high profile lawyer, criminal defense attorney, founder of
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  Speaker 2: the Borgharts Law firm, former prosecutor, Professor Lsu on and
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  Speaker 2: on and on. Franz. When I put a witness on
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  Speaker 2: the stand, I weigh their credibility before I put them
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  Speaker 2: up to a jury. If they've got problems, I tell
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  Speaker 2: the jury in the opening statement, I'm going to put
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  Speaker 2: this guy up and he let's just say he has
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  Speaker 2: a record, or he has lied in the past, or
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  Speaker 2: whatever his problem is.
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  Speaker 6: So they know the problems.
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  Speaker 2: One thing I look at is whether they are willing
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: to come forward tonight. Chris Carson is joining us willingly,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: but the mother and father won't speak out.
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: They are in the middle of a.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Search for their daughter. Yeah, they're shrinking violence when it
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: comes to answering my questions and asking the public for help.
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: And I've got a problem because what.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Carson is telling me is very different.
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: From what the dad has been saying listen.
• 19:49
  Speaker 17: Damn Ron says in the first half hour after returning
• 19:51
  Speaker 17: home from his job interview at Ruby Tuesday, he was
• 19:54
  Speaker 17: knocking on every neighbor's door notifying them Stephan he was missing,
• 19:58
  Speaker 17: but neighbor Doug Tinsley says he and other neighbors Chris
• 20:01
  Speaker 17: and Shelley Carson, were not told for two days. Tinsley
• 20:05
  Speaker 17: said he and Carson were the first in the group
• 20:07
  Speaker 17: notified about the disappearance, but not until four fifty pm
• 20:10
  Speaker 17: September twenty fifth, more than forty eight hours after Demron
• 20:14
  Speaker 17: claims he notified everyone.
• 20:16
  Speaker 14: Within the first half hour of me being home. I
• 20:19
  Speaker 14: had already knocked on at least every door between here
• 20:23
  Speaker 14: and the beginning of the road on one way and
• 20:26
  Speaker 14: the creek turn off the other way.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, you were just hearing the
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: biodad Dale Damron on locating the lost describing Franz.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: Borghart how he went all the way to.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: The creek on one end and all the way to
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: the highway on the other end, and that encompasses the
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: home of Chris Carson and the other neighbor, Doug Tinsley.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: They say nobody told them. She was missing for two days. Now,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: who am I supposed to believe?
• 21:08
  Speaker 18: Well, if I'm defending Dale, Dale's certainly not coming on
• 21:11
  Speaker 18: your show, Nancy, because his consistent, inconsistent statements are going
• 21:16
  Speaker 18: to make my job very difficult. That said, look, these
• 21:20
  Speaker 18: guys clearly aren't going to win any parenting awards and
• 21:23
  Speaker 18: they really weren't even guarding the kid anyway.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know anything that you just said. It's
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: sch defense lawyer Babbel. I asked you who to believe,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: and you start talking about a parenting a word. Nobody's
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: walking out of this crowned miscongeniality or miss sweet Potato.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: That's not happening tonight. But I find it very very disturbing.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Christy Wren joining us in addition to Chris Carson, the neighbor.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Christy Wren has been out searching for Stephanie.
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: Did you come in contact with any any person.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: That stated that night, that day when she was finally
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: reported missing that the parents the parents told.
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: Them Stephanie's gone. Have you seen her anybody?
• 22:13
  Speaker 18: No?
• 22:14
  Speaker 10: Never.
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: I want answers why you are saying you were screaming
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: Stephanie's name in the woods, but your closest neighbors didn't
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: even hear it. So the night Stephanie went missing, not
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: only did you not knock on their doors, but you're
• 22:28
  Speaker 9: claiming you were screaming her name in the woods all
• 22:30
  Speaker 9: night and no one heard it.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: You know what, Chris Carson joining us the neighbor, Chris,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I want to tell you what happened.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I heard a neighbor was ill, and I took them
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: some food.
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: I locked on the door and I said.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm your Caddy corner neighbor.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: And she said, are you the woman looking for her cat?
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: I went, well, that was a while ago, She goes,
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: that's when I first met you. I don't know if
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: you remember.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: You were walking up and down the whole neighborhood screaming Cinnamon, Cinnamon,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: that's the name of our cat. And then he went
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: by the next day in a car screaming out the window.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: We heard you in the house.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: That was for the cat, Chris, the cat who we
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: found by the way, That was for the cat. And
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: they didn't do this for their daughter, their thirteen year
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: old girl.
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: They haven't talked to any of the neighbors about anything,
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: and It's just very very odd. While they didn't, we
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: all would have jumped and if we liked or not
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: they had at all of us would jumped up and
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: got in our cars and walked to the woods and
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: right at that moment.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: And I want to stress that as of tonight as
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: we go to air, neither Dale Damron nor his wife
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: had been charged. They have not been named a person
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: of interest, a suspect. Neither has the fake grind Paul
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: that lives with the two little girls. So why is
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: there confusion about what happened to thirteen year old Stephanie?
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: The FBI has been called.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: In on the search for Stephanie.
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: This little girl, just thirteen.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Years old, was either running away from something or running
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: to something.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Tonight, Where is Stephanie?
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: What about the search once the parents finally report her missing,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: not really even going up and down the street calling
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: for her, as a dad says they did. According to neighbors,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: what happened during the search?
• 24:43
  Speaker 17: Listen the Demarns contact the mainstay police and organized searches begin.
• 24:47
  Speaker 17: Investigators conduct a neighborhood canvas in video search. K nine
• 24:51
  Speaker 17: teams and volunteers conduct grid searches over the Damron's property
• 24:54
  Speaker 17: for days, and.
• 24:55
  Speaker 14: I honestly think that she got picked up by somebody.
• 24:59
  Speaker 14: She thought she was going to home that night and
• 25:01
  Speaker 14: they didn't bring her home. The harsh reality of it is,
• 25:04
  Speaker 14: I don't think she's anywhere in new suite now. I
• 25:06
  Speaker 14: believe she walked out to the end of the driveway.
• 25:09
  Speaker 14: I had somebody on there that she found a number,
• 25:11
  Speaker 14: and they swapped numbers back and forth and she met
• 25:14
  Speaker 14: him up at the top of the road.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's not what the witnesses say happened. You were
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: hearing the dad speaking on locating the lost. This is
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: something I don't quite get. Chris Carson Senior, the neighbor
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: of the dam Ont family.
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: Who is she supposed to be?
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: This is a thirteen year old little girl, just turned thirteen.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: She's homeschooled, so they say she has no contact with
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: the rest of the world. She and her sister, the
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: older sister, Star, do puzzles that they get from the library.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Occasionally they're way up a dirt trail living in a yurt.
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: If they don't have heat, air conditioner.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Water, they have to go up to the camper how
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: a mile away and drag water back down on a toboggan.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Yet I'm supposed to believe what the dad's saying is
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: that she has internet access. He's also saying she went
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: to the end of the driveway and somebody picked her up.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Nobody saw that happen, nobody heard that happen, and they
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: in fact say the opposite, that she walked into the
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: woods end quote disappeared.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: So they have Wi Fi.
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: Time.
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: When Stephanie went missing, the only Wi Fi capabilities that
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: they had was from a cell phone. I believe they
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: are on a tel network and you can it barely works.
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: They really didn't get starlink control after Stephanie was missing.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Let me talk to you about the cell phone. I'm
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: very curious about the cell phone. Stephanie or did not
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: have a cell phone. It would have been Grandpa, the
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: eighty year old non biological relative living.
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: With them, his flip phone. Is that what we're talking about?
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: Yes, the clipboae and we actually saw start using a
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: football of that long time when they were up here.
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: Okay, let's talk about the search.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: I'm supposed to believe that this little girl just turned thirteen,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: get somebody God only knows who to go up to
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: the Canadian border in New Sweden, out in the outskirts,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: not even in New Sweden. Look there that somebody came
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: there and got her and absconded with her. While the
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: testimony is she went into the woods, not met somebody
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: at the end of the driveway, it sounds bogus to me,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Christy Rand, who has spent.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Tears, sweat and blood searching for this girl.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: How likely is it that this little girl just turned
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: thirteen uses grandpa's flip phone to have a hot romance
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: and get somebody to meet her at the end of
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: the driveway?
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Probability slim to none. No, it didn't happen.
• 28:19
  Speaker 9: Not only do people like Chris that have met Stephanie
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: seem to think that she didn't even have the personality
• 28:25
  Speaker 9: type to be flirting or meeting men online. It didn't happen.
• 28:33
  Speaker 9: I think there's a possibility that she wanted a phone
• 28:35
  Speaker 9: so that she could run away or get out, but
• 28:38
  Speaker 9: I don't believe that she was full with that.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Now she doesn't seem to have the capability to do that.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: But that said more importantly to Brian Fitzgibbons, who sends
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: a team of investigators all around the world trying to
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: find missing people. That's rank speculation that this little girl
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: had a hot romance online and convinced somebody to drive
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: up to New Sweden and take her away from it all.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: There's no indication. No one saw a car, no one
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: heard a car, No one knows of anyone she was
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: talking to online or calling on her grandpa's her fate
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: grandpa's flip phone.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: What I go back is to the witness.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Account, the grandpa and the sister state she had an
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: argument with the sister in the moment, which means it
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: wasn't planned. In the moment about chores in the yert,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I guess sweeping the dirt floor. They had an argument
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: and she, according to them, went off into the.
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: Woods and disappeared.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: That is the original story. All this about meeting somebody
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: online is concocted.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: I agree, Nancy, and we have to take those witness
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: accounts for what they are. These are people that are
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: wholly dependent on Dale Dan run Okay, that are providing
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: this informational law enforcement. The second piece that I wanted
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: to say, when we're dealing with a flip phone that
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: won't have apps that are encrypted, all of those communications
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: are going to be readily available to law enforcement. So
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: if it were the case that Stephanie was using this
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: flip phone to communicate with somebody to pick her up,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: law enforcement would have that. That's an ideal scenario to
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: track communications. This is not like an iPhone sixteen that
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: could have any number of apps where communication tracking would
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: be very difficult.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Even though he originally said, and you heard him from
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: the Horse's Mouth, that he thought.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: That Stephanie went angrily into.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: The woods over chores in the yurt down to the
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: tadpole hole.
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: It was kind of like a ditch with water in it.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: We were showing it earlier, and that's where he originally
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: said she went.
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: But then after he thinks.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: About it, comes up with a story that she obviously
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: fell in love with someone and hit out listen, or.
• 31:06
  Speaker 14: If she could just contact someone and let us know, Hey,
• 31:09
  Speaker 14: I'm all right, mom and dad, you know, let us know,
• 31:11
  Speaker 14: let us know what's going on. Like I even told her.
• 31:14
  Speaker 14: I mean, I'm from West Virginia, so I don't expect
• 31:15
  Speaker 14: everybody understand if she was fourteen, you know, turn fourteen,
• 31:19
  Speaker 14: she fell in love with some boy and everything, and
• 31:20
  Speaker 14: she wanted to hide out and everything until whatever. That's fine,
• 31:23
  Speaker 14: let us know what's going on so we can help
• 31:25
  Speaker 14: them take care of her.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Hide out with the boy? What boy?
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Internet searches have been done, forensic searches have been done.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: There is no boy. What is he talking about.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: I'm from West Virginia, so maybe everybody else doesn't understand.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: But falling in love at fourteen with some boy or whatever,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: he's totally changing course, davemac, Is there any indication she
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: had an online romance?
• 31:52
  Speaker 10: Any none, whatsoever? Nancy, There is no indication that she
• 31:59
  Speaker 10: or her we're able to get online. All of that
• 32:03
  Speaker 10: story comes from Dale Damrun.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: As of tonight as we go to air, neither Dale
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Damron nor his wife have been charged.
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: They have not been named a person of interest a suspect.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Neither has the fake grandpa that lives with the two
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: little girls. What did the search for thirteen year old
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Stephanie entail? What was done to Christy rand joining us
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: who is a searcher and has been spending time, effort, money,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: resources trying to find Stephanie?
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Tell me about the search.
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: I understand drones, k nines and more were used.
• 32:45
  Speaker 9: K nines basically any resource that our main state police
• 32:49
  Speaker 9: or the FBI could have brought in. It was brought
• 32:53
  Speaker 9: dozens and dozens of vehicles all along the street. I
• 32:57
  Speaker 9: know that some of what went on was kind of secret.
• 33:00
  Speaker 9: If we've heard reports from the Andrew the neighbor uncle Andrew,
• 33:04
  Speaker 9: that his property was searched as well as far as
• 33:08
  Speaker 9: I know, they've approached neighbors looking for security camera footing,
• 33:13
  Speaker 9: anything that's relevant.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I want to go to Chris Carson, now, the neighbor
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: of the damn On family. What did you observe of
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: the search because the dogs didn't pick up anything.
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: The first set of dogs that they brought in were
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: just search dogs, normal search dogs, and my property. I
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: opened it up to anybody, you know that was a
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: search team to come on my property and do whatever
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: you got to do, and I'm cool with it. And
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: uh so they the search teams were just honestly, there
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: were nuts. They were all over the place. It was crazy,
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: it was. It was just a huge thing going on.
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: Uh and then they brought back another set of dogs,
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: but these ones were of course Cadabra built, which are
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: different from Serchoke and those guys they I mean, we
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: had that everything going on, helicopters over my house. It
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: was shaking my house. It was they were searching. They
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: did a good job searching.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Despite extensive investigative efforts, including a neighborhood canvas and video
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: search along within expansive grid search utilizing canines from Maine
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: Warden Service and Main State Police, Stephanie is still missing.
• 34:29
  Speaker 15: Investigators remained tight lipped about what exactly was found on
• 34:33
  Speaker 15: the grandfather's cell phone, but calls in the FBI's Child
• 34:36
  Speaker 15: Abduction Rapid Deployment or Card Team to assist in the investigation.
• 34:41
  Speaker 15: Investigators follow up on leeds in West Virginia, Texas, New Hampshire,
• 34:46
  Speaker 15: and even Canada, but none have led them any closer
• 34:49
  Speaker 15: to Stephanie.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: Their tips from the public that maybe she had a
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: social media friend at the time or an acquaintance. We
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: just try to follow up on any information for those
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: oversigned states.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: First, ye're hearing from a special agent FBI agent at Kimberly, Milka,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: and then you were hearing from New Center, Maine. And
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: then also from New Center, Maine, you were hearing Lieutenant
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Darren Karn, Main State Police. Did you hear what they said,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons, what Karn said? He said there have been
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: tips from the public that maybe she had a social
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: media friend. We follow up on any information, yet there
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: has been no name, There has been.
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: No online friend. In other words, that's a dead end.
• 35:40
  Speaker 19: Yeah, absolutely, And the question is, in order to have
• 35:43
  Speaker 19: a friend on social media, you have to have an
• 35:45
  Speaker 19: ability to connect to social media, and that's not happening
• 35:50
  Speaker 19: on a flip phone.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: That the grandpa has, right, So you know this is
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: a dead end. These tips from the public seemed to
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: be from the parents, right. And then the next thing is,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: you know, knowing that neighbors heard about this days after
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Stephanie was missing, you know, investigators are writ about one
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: thing that they don't have any leads to go.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: On, and now we learn another piece of the puzzle.
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: Tonight, everything is not as it sings. Listen.
• 36:26
  Speaker 17: Neighbors report hearing Dale, damron and loud arguments that went
• 36:29
  Speaker 17: on for more than thirty minutes at a time, directed
• 36:32
  Speaker 17: at his wife and children. The screaming matches, recalled by
• 36:35
  Speaker 17: neighbors Shelley and Chris Carson, happened frequently in the weeks
• 36:38
  Speaker 17: and days before Stephanie vanished, with one such screamfest happening
• 36:42
  Speaker 17: the day Stephanie vanished.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Chris Carson, neighbor to the damn Rons, Chris Carson Senior,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Did you ever hear Dale Damron screaming at his wife
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: and children?
• 36:55
  Speaker 8: Absolutely?
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: Yes, And it was not just so we listening. It
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: was almost daily, constantly sounded like the kids would jumping
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: their car, slam doors and pump the horns, beep and.
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: Beep and beeping, and it was it was just like that.
• 37:16
  Speaker 8: It was just kind of craze.
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: What was he yelling at them about.
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: You really couldn't hear. You could hear a lot of profanity,
• 37:26
  Speaker 8: the F bombs and stuff like that, and uh.
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: You really didn't hear anybody yell back, and if you did,
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: you really couldn't tell what they were saying, because there
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: when he yells, he make sure that you hear him yell.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Speaking of dropping the F bombs and screaming at the
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: children so loudly the neighbors could hear it. This is
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: out in the middle of the wilderness. We actually have
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: some of that caught on video with dann On screaming
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: and cursing out the neighbors. Listen, weird the street, idiot.
• 38:11
  Speaker 20: No, your daughter?
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: What in the hey, Chris Carson is him? Is that
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: him cursing out your wife.
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, we didn't even Shelly's never met him before. He
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: just came up and we saw him out the window.
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: Well Shelly did. I was in the basement, and uh,
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: while my wife she looks she's going to protect her
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: property in her family and it's hers.
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: She usually doesn't yell like this, but uh, that day,
• 38:40
  Speaker 8: obviously she did it.
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: And uh he was just I don't know how to
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: say the word, but he just wasn't making sense of anything,
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: just saying that we need to keep our mouths, his
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: family out of our mouths. And uh, it kept going
• 38:57
  Speaker 7: on like that, and he kept threatening show to hey,
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: you know, come out in the roads.
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: I'll punch you, lay you right out. So I was calm.
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: I had my hands up, you know, a crossed over
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: and I did have a firearm, but up here in
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: may you kin and uh, we get bearers. I mean
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: they'll show up anywhere, so I always have one. And
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: I walked out there and uh, he said, what are
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: you going to do?
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: Shoot me?
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: And I was like, well, if you touch my wife,
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: I will shoot you. And then uh, shortly after that,
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: Lisa came down and made him hit in the car
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: and she took them back home.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: I noticed that he that your wife said your daughter
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: came here for help.
• 39:40
  Speaker 8: Oh, yes, she came.
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: Both daughters, Stephanie and Starr, would come here to get
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: water because we had a badger out that summer when
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: the rest of the family was living up Andrews. So
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: the girls they would they came up here and rev
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: water and pulls off of our trees. And uh, they
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: enjoyed the chickens. They've come up and play with my
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: chickens and uh, but they wouldn't stay very long, and
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: then they would just rushed back to their house, almost
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: like they kind of weren't supposed to be here.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: And I want to stress that as of tonight as
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: we go to air, neither Dale Damron nor his wife
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: have been charged. They have not been named a person
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: of interest a suspect. Neither has the fake grandpa that
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: lives with the two little girls.
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: Take a look at more of that ring camera.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Footage you have.
• 40:40
  Speaker 20: Let you have there. We don't why what a lie
• 41:02
  Speaker 20: you walk in you're talking about?
• 41:08
  Speaker 21: I'm gonnamed? Yeah, how many going?
• 41:24
  Speaker 20: Who you you go yourself? Because we never got along? Yeah,
• 41:33
  Speaker 20: your daughter's came here.
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: This thirteen year old little girl is missing.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Stephanie argues with his sister about chores, and she tears
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: up and walks out of the home into the woods.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Where is Stephanie. Bizarre inconsistencies emerging tonight, and the theories
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: from the dad become even more and more unpredictable.
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  Speaker 14: Listen, I hate talking about one of my kids any way, shape,
• 42:08
  Speaker 14: but I really at this point don't trust anything that
• 42:11
  Speaker 14: Stars telling me about the whole situation.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy grace.
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  Speaker 10: Dale.
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  Speaker 17: Dan Ron goes so far as to accuse Stephanie and
• 42:28
  Speaker 17: her sister Star of waiting until the old man they
• 42:31
  Speaker 17: called Grandpa, eighty year old Richard Turgen, would take his
• 42:34
  Speaker 17: medication at night, then grabbing his phone from under his
• 42:37
  Speaker 17: pillow and using it to talk to boys.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: So Christy Wren, who has been searching for Stephanie, the
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: theories are getting zanier and zanier. At the beginning, we
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: were told by the sister Star and the fate Grandpa
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: that there was an argument over chores. Stephanie walks into
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: the woods and is never seen against you, just magically.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Now the dad is claiming that the little girl poisons
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: the fake Grandpa giving him medications so they could get
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: on his phone and using the phone to talk to boys.
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: There's nothing that makes sense here. We've gone from she
• 43:17
  Speaker 9: walked into the woods, walked to the street out of
• 43:20
  Speaker 9: trind Online. At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if
• 43:24
  Speaker 9: we'll come out with more theories.
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: Dave Matt.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: We just showed Chris Carson, the neighbor Chris Carson Senior,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: the neighbors ring cam where the dad, Dale Damron is
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: screaming about CPS. He's got good reason to suspect CPS
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: was called.
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: Isn't it true?
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: CPS took the children away for a period of time
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: when they lived in Texas.
• 43:50
  Speaker 10: They get they actually lost they being the damn run
• 43:54
  Speaker 10: we're talking about Dale and Lisa. They lost custody of
• 43:57
  Speaker 10: their children for six months, Nancy, and it went back
• 44:01
  Speaker 10: to and this incredible judgment on his part. They actually
• 44:06
  Speaker 10: Dale Damron was smoking marijuana in the car with the
• 44:11
  Speaker 10: kids in the car, and of course the police see
• 44:15
  Speaker 10: them and they follow him into a McDonald's where he's
• 44:18
  Speaker 10: just puffing up. And you know, that's the type of
• 44:22
  Speaker 10: man we're dealing with, somebody who thinks that's perfectly acceptable behavior.
• 44:26
  Speaker 10: But yeah, that's how CPS got involved with this family
• 44:29
  Speaker 10: to start with, was from the public intoxication and putting
• 44:33
  Speaker 10: all of his children at risk for his own well being.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's why he thinks everyone calls CPS on him
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: this time, As a matter of fact, CPS was called
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: on them because the children looked like they hadn't had
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: bass and we're basically wearing rags. But I want you
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: to hear what Damron has to say on locating the.
• 44:53
  Speaker 14: Lost Stephanie was sneaking around when Pappau was taking at
• 44:58
  Speaker 14: sleeping pills, and we weren't around because we got my
• 45:00
  Speaker 14: dad is eighty years old, just had a massive heart
• 45:03
  Speaker 14: attack about a year and a half ago, so they
• 45:05
  Speaker 14: got him on sleeping pills and a bunch of Hart pills.
• 45:07
  Speaker 14: What Stephanie was doing and her older sister was involved
• 45:10
  Speaker 14: in it just as much. They were waiting until Papal
• 45:13
  Speaker 14: took his sleeping pills or was it paying attention, they
• 45:16
  Speaker 14: would sneak off with his phone.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: That's what is called an alternative narrative. We didn't hear
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: anything about that when Stephanie first disappeared in the woods.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Witn't a parent's site. I think she's met somebody online.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Look at the grandpa's phone. That's not what the story was.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Doctor Jeff Kelshewski. What is an alternate narrative?
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 45:41
  Speaker 11: It's a false narrative. And how many cases have we
• 45:44
  Speaker 11: covered when the person was guilty and they try to
• 45:47
  Speaker 11: build a false narrative for people to go chase down.
• 45:51
  Speaker 11: That's exactly what's happening here. This guy knows more than
• 45:55
  Speaker 11: what he's disclosing. And I'm glad the FBI has involved
• 46:00
  Speaker 11: because if this is something that was this child taken
• 46:04
  Speaker 11: across state lines, who knows where this is going to go?
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: And I want to stress that as of tonight as
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: we go to air, neither Dale Damron nor his wife
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: have been charged. They have not been named a person
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: of interest, a suspect. Neither has the fake grandpa that
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: lives with the two little girls. To Franz Borghart, veteran
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: trial lawyer, criminal defense attorney, founder of the Borghart Law Firm,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: former prosecutor, professor of Louisiana State University, Franz, there's another
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: word for alternate narrative. Tonight, we know there is a
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: fifteen thousand dollar reward.
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: Do you believe Franz that rewards work.
• 46:47
  Speaker 18: I don't think fifteen thousand's going to get it done, Nancy.
• 46:50
  Speaker 18: I also think that the fact that there's no significant
• 46:53
  Speaker 18: forensic leads gives me pause. So I just don't think
• 46:59
  Speaker 18: we're going to find her.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Ryan fitz Gibbons, Director Operations usp A nationwide security What
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: do you.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Think, Just like Attorney Boardcard said, with no substantial forensic leads,
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: with no network of friends and associates, you know, Stephanie
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: was living a very isolated life. Who are you offering
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: this reward too?
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Is the question?
• 47:22
  Speaker 10: Right?
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: So a reward can work in a suburban or urban
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: scenario where there are a number of people to offer
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: it to who might have information.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Well, if you don't think the reward's going to work,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: fits Gibbons, what now, I think I'm just gonna quit
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: because the reward may not work.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: No, you know, we can't quit. Obviously, the FBI, I believe,
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: has to continue this search in that woods. You know,
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: I think there's a very good chance that she is
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: out there and that there are more questions to be
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: filled in. With that cell phone, I'd like to know
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: what's going on with that with Grandpa's cell phone.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Christie rand for once in my life. I disagree with
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: fitz Gibbons. I don't think she's in those woods because
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: if canines sit dogs, good ever, dogs can't find her.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think she's there.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Christy, what do you think you've been the one out
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: in the woods looking for her.
• 48:20
  Speaker 9: I think there's a possibility that none of us knew
• 48:23
  Speaker 9: that we do not know when Stephanie actually disappeared, which
• 48:30
  Speaker 9: would mean we could have had not only the twenty
• 48:32
  Speaker 9: four hours missing of time to be looking for her,
• 48:36
  Speaker 9: but as many as two full days before the twenty
• 48:39
  Speaker 9: third I think they had a lot of time. Whatever
• 48:43
  Speaker 9: happened to Stephanie, if she is in the woods, it
• 48:47
  Speaker 9: is it's not directly behind her home and was placed somewhere.
• 48:51
  Speaker 9: I believe an accident or something may have happened, But no,
• 48:56
  Speaker 9: I don't believe she's directly behind the home. I don't
• 48:59
  Speaker 9: think she just walked into the woods and got lost.
• 49:02
  Speaker 9: I'd like to hope that the search was thorough enough
• 49:06
  Speaker 9: that if she had walked in the woods and was
• 49:08
  Speaker 9: injured within a mile or so of her home, that
• 49:11
  Speaker 9: someone would have found something in those first initial large searches,
• 49:15
  Speaker 9: and there was nothing.
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: Chris Carson.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: You are the neighbor of the damn On family. You
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: know these little girls, Chris. One thing that's very disturbing
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: to me is that this could have been avoided. I
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: don't know what neighbor called Child Protective Services, but somebody
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: did call and CPS came out, Chris Carson, and did nothing.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: They saw the girls living in these horrible conditions and
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: did nothing.
• 49:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was Dick Hilly and I we definitely did
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: not call CPS. Other folks in and our little white
• 49:56
  Speaker 7: neighborhood here had because of what I mean conditions. I
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: mean sometimes it'd be thirty below zero living in that year,
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: so they would call and try to get in kind
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: of like a wellness check. And the response we go
• 50:11
  Speaker 7: from DHHS or CPS was oh, we.
• 50:14
  Speaker 8: Don't have any volume right now available to go check.
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: And this is a thirty below zero and they refuse
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: to even send somebody out here.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: CPS, Child Protective Services at it again, and now Stephanie
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: is gone. If you know or think you know anything
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: about missing Stephanie damn Ron, It's not over yet, please
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: call Mainstay Police. Eight hundred ninety two four two two
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: sixty one repeat eight hundred ninety two four two two
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: sixty one or eight hundred two two five five three
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: two four eight hundred two two five five three two
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: four there is a fifteen thousand dollars reward, and tonight,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: when we remember American heroes, I want to remember and
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: honor people that come forward, people that have the backbone,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: the bravery, the courage to come forward and try in
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: their own way to save children that are being abused,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: that are being mistreated, that are suffering. Those are my
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: heroes tonight, and I ask you all to please help
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: us find the truth about Stephanie Damron. Thank you to
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: our guests for coming forward tonight. Thank you to Chris
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Carson and Christy Rand for speaking out on behalf of
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: this little girl who has no other voice for her. Again,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: no one has been named a suspect, no one has
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: been named a person of interest. As we wait for
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: justice too unfold, we remember an American hero, Officer Darren
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Burk's Dallas PD survived by his grieving mother Cheri. American
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: hero Officer Darren Burks. Rest in peace, Officer Fancy Grace,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Goodbye friend,