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Rick Mast Discusses Ricky Stenhouse Jr vs Kyle Busch Fight, Fines, Penalties & More! · Kenny Wallace Media

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Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the Rick Mast
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Show. I am Charlie Marlow.
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That is the great Rick Mast. And I'm telling you, Rick, we
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started this podcast about a month ago and the timing could
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not be more perfect because every week NASCAR just gives us
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so much to talk about North Wilkesboro and the fight.
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It was absolutely nuts. How you doing man?
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Doing well, doing well, Charlie. I'm like, I, you know, I think
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the same thing to watch these races.
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I'm like, man, it's a good time to be doing the Rick Mast show.
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We got all kinds of stuff. All right, let's let's get right
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to it. I feel bad because nobody's even
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mentioning the fact that Joey Logano actually won the race in
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in very dominating fashion. But I'll just throw it to you
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first. Just, just.
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And if you want to talk about Logano, that's fine, But most
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people are talking about the fight.
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Just give me your take. Yeah.
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Then one of the neat deals Logano, they were, I saw an
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interview they were talk with Logano and he says they were
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talking about the fight and he says, well who won the race,
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right. And I thought that's pretty
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cool. Logano, that's pretty cool.
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The man that he man, he he whipped their their asses.
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Great Lord of mercy he did good. And the neat part about it, the
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track, you know they repaved the track and you know I think
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Goodyear learned some stuff because they came with a hard
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tire and a soft tire. Well, everybody, we ended up on
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the soft tire and the soft tire did not go away right the way
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they anticipated. So that you know that tells me a
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Goodyear is going to go back. Now they've got to go back and
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do a little more work because that I think that caught them
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off guard. You remember the you remember
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the Bristol debacle right when we had the rain tire and 40 laps
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the tires were wore out and the guys are have to figure out how
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to do that. Well that's what they were
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trying to do with the soft tire at at Wilkesboro.
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But clearly they weren't near as soft as they weren't soft as
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they needed to be to fall off and create the drama.
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They did it that they had at Bristol.
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But my Lord, the 22 cars, I mean they just hit they, you know,
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it's it's the same every week or everywhere you go since I've
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been racing. You hit on something.
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You know if your race car a little something with your
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chassis and it works and you carry that forward for a few
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weeks on that type of track because somebody catches up and
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obviously the 22 hit on something.
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Now the mile and a half deal, the 22's got work to go to do.
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But you know, this ought to give a little confidence gives, I
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tell you what it does, it gives it gives Joey confidence that,
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yeah, my guys can still put a fast race car under me, right?
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And all that stuff just builds on itself.
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OK, so when it comes to the fight, and I heard Denny
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Hamlin's take on this and and mine is similar, I feel like
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when when you get wrecked on lap two and then the great tweet
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from Dale Earnhardt Junior saying, hey, we better cement up
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all these tunnels so that none of the drivers can leave.
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So, so Ricky's all fired up and pissed when he does his
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interview and he goes, you know, Bob poker ass.
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Ask him how you going to respond, why don't you watch
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afterwards? And so to me it was almost like
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Ricky because he had to wait two hours, he felt like he then had
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to respond. I'm sure at that point he'd
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cooled down, he'd showered, he put on the fun shorts and all
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that. And then even when when he threw
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the punch, it was like at that point, Kyle was getting ready to
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apologize and say, OK, if that's if that's the way you saw it,
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I'll check the replay. You know, it wasn't like he
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punched him immediately. You know, they're 2530 seconds
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in and it didn't even seem very heated.
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But I feel like, you know, to use a poker term, Ricky felt
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like he was pot committed. He had already told everybody he
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was going to fight him and he basically had to throw the punch
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at that point. Yeah, you got to be careful with
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your words, dude. I mean you really do.
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He could have said that and then left the racetrack if it if it
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had a tunnel. But you know, he sit there and
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stood for, you know, an hour or two and still there.
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And he made that comment. I don't know, once he made that
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comment, if he if he thought that, he'd then had to follow
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through with it because he made the comment, you know, the, the
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telling one was when he said, you know, hold my watch, right.
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That refers to Richard Trillas jumping on Kyle Busch a few
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years ago, and he, he made Austin Dillon hold his watch.
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Why He pounded on Kyle's head. You know, I'll tell you one
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thing, Kyle's head is it's cost a lot of people a lot of money.
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You know, there's been a lot of fans off of Kyle's head, people
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beating on his head. But I I don't know, in our
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sport, man, you've just got to how can I say you, you, you,
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your actions and the way you do things.
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And if you say things, if you say things and don't follow
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through with it, everybody within the garage jury picks up
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on it, you know, and they think, well, we can do whatever we want
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with that sky, right? But he goes out there and says
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it and then you know he tries to lay a punch.
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It wasn't really a, you know, he he comes around pretty good, but
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he didn't have a lot of, he didn't have a lot of strength
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behind that punch. If you look at it, the direction
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the punch was going and the way it landed, it really didn't, you
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know, it really didn't mount to anything.
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OK. And not that I'm a fight
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connoisseur but I have seen some brawls and but it been around a
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few and how that works but you know he backed himself in a
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corner dude but by saying that and you know he could have said
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it left the racetrack and probably everything will be all
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right and everybody be looking for the big wreck this week at
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Charlotte. But you know the way it worked
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out he was stuck in there and I I I really I don't know how much
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was still anger and how much was you know I got it.
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I got to do what I said is going to do because, you know, he had
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a good poker. I will give him.
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I'll give. I'll give him credit for this.
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He had a good poker face when he was talking to Paul Bush, right?
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I mean, he was, it looked like he was, he was, he looked like
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somebody that, you know, you're not really going to have to
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protect yourself from, from a swing right now, you know, he
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was pretty much under control and all that.
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But, you know, why in the hell do these dads always have to get
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in these fights, Charlie? Why do they do that?
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You know, I mean, I I go back to Logano's dad, right.
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He got thrown out and suspended for a while.
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He some ways I forget who it was whipping upon Joey and he got in
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the middle of it. So they had to ban him from the
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racetrack. I remember the Bush's dad
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getting into being in the middle of these squabbles sometimes,
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you know, in short track. I tell you, in short track, race
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is coming up a lot of times. It's the bombs.
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It's the bombs you got to watch out for, right?
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It's like because the bombs, I mean they they'll get in the
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middle of this stuff. And I who was it that time at
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Wilkesboro when Tiny Lunn remember that they got in a big
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fight with the Pettys after the race and and Tiny, you know it
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was a big band and I guess Morris or Maurice was into it
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with them and and they they they they they talked to Tiny
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afterwards and he said, well you know, I don't mind fighting
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Richard or Reese or or Dale or any of those guys.
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He says the problem is when you when you go pick a fight with
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him, you got to fight. You got to fight the whole
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family. And in that particular fight,
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Lee, Petty's wife, Richard, Petty's Mama, came over there
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and started beating Tiny Lun in the head with her purse.
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That had a gun in it or something heavy, right?
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And it was. And I could go back to a lot of
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bottle bombs, getting involved in this stuff, taking care of
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their kids or trying to protect their children.
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Right. But for the dads to be doing it
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at on this stage, you know, I'm, I'm a little, I'm a little
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uncomfortable with that one. I really am.
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I truly AM. Yeah, and if you look at the
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replay, at first I thought Ricky Stenhouse Senior just grabbed
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Kyle. But then you see all, you know,
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we're breaking this down like the Zapruder film now.
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And it sure looked like Ricky Senior got a nice little right
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uppercut that was kind of shielded by his body.
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It looks like he got a little right uppercut to Kyle as he was
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taking him down. And then Kyle, Kyle got some
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good shots on Ricky's dad as well.
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Here, here's here's what I think is unfair about the way that
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NASCAR, I don't even want to say, allows drivers to fight
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because they don't really allow the fight to happen.
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When I look at sports where you're allowed to fight and not
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talking about boxing or UFC, which is fighting, but I'm
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talking about hockey. If if hockey players want to
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fight, they fight. It's fair.
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It's fair. Nobody jumps in until somebody's
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really getting pounded or they hit the ground.
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And then safety is a concern. But it's fair, and what I don't
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like about NASCAR fights, this happened last year with Ross
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Chastain versus Noah Gregson. Look, Ross Chastain got his
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punch. Noah Gregson wasn't allowed to
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retaliate because he gets everybody grabs him.
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And that was kind of the same thing.
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Look to me, Ricky got his punch in, but then all of a sudden
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when Kyle tries to retaliate, he's got 4000 people on him.
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So I think they have to make it a little more fair.
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I don't know. I don't know how you do that,
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but it always bothers me when the second guy, I don't think
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he's allowed to fairly retaliate.
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Yeah, you know, and and I and I see this on on on social media,
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but there's there's the big dude that's always in the middle of
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the fights and he's from NASCAR. But somebody says he's the head
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of security for NASCAR. I don't know.
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But he's the one. He's the one that seems like
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never lets the second guy get the punch in.
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And every, every time there's a fight, if you know what I'm
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talking about. Charlie, right?
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Big big old dude got a NASCAR. Shirt the black guy, right?
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Yeah, the big black dude, man. Every time there's a fight he's
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right there and this he, the second guy cannot get to lick
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you. I see people on social media
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fussing raising cane about that let that tell that guy to stay
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away from these fights. But that is true.
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They they do that. But I, I, I, you know it's it's
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what what really surprised me. Well man it's so much about that
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fight. You know when they showed Bush
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walking to his truck and there there's there's that's the dude
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in his shorts, his Bermuda shorts chilling, just sitting
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there waiting on Bush to show up.
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Right. And nobody's around and they're
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sitting there when they start talking for the videos.
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There's nobody around and it's like in three seconds when the
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when the when the Stenhouse throws the punch there's like a
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2-3 dozen people around this all of a sudden I'm, I'm not sure
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where they were all standing and sitting back and but I'm going
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to tell you something man. The coolest still this whole
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fight was old big country big Bubba, whoever the hell he is,
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the guy that was the the guy with Bush that was throwing him
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off the trailer. Did we ever figure out who that
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is? Do we know who that is?
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Have we figured that out yet? It's obviously a Kyle Busch crew
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member. I didn't find his name.
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Somebody had his name on Twitter when it happened and I can't
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remember his name. We should know his name though.
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You're right. But it was cool if you noticed.
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I mean, you could tell that guy's been around because he was
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in the middle of that stuff. He never threw punches.
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He was just grabbing those guys by the shirt collar, throwing
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them off the truck. Get away from our truck, right.
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That's a guy. What that is, Charlie, That's a
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guy that's been in scuffles before, right?
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He understands what it means to actually throw a punch and get
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punched. But he wasn't doing that.
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He was just trying to clear the scene.
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You know, I I thought that was the the the the the funniest
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part of the whole deal. But you know, the fighting
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stuff. I mean now we now we got into
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the fine this morning, right? The the NASCAR's fighting,
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sitting out 75,000 and all that and everybody's fussing about
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that. You can't promote the race.
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You can't promote the fight, which they'll do and then find
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the guy also. You know, I, I yeah, I'm not
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sure about all that. But you know it's always been
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prevalent. Here's the here's the issue.
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But here's one of the problems with this deal.
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We as a sport try to remain clean and all that.
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But everybody knows that when two cup guys get in a scuffle
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after the event or whatever that's going to, that's going to
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generate interest. It always is go back to 79
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right? The famous Daytona 500
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Yarborough analysis that those that fight is still replayed,
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right. So then you have a factor of our
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sport that wants nothing to do with that.
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You know I noticed there's a couple reporters or beat writers
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that are really raising cane about this saying and and and
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and the fighting becoming a not the big issue and those guys
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just don't want any part of that.
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But the problem is it is part of our sport.
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It always has been and always will be.
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It's called passion. It's like Kitty said it's it's
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everybody's passionate about this So that's what happens.
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But here's here's the issue. We have Saturday night bull
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rings all across this country, short tracks, right?
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And and I've been, I've been involved with some promotions.
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I understand promoter side of these things.
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And the worst thing that happens if these Saturday night bull
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rings is when competitors get in fistfights, right?
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Because it becomes it, you know, they, they carry these
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fistfights on out a little bit further.
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It becomes more of a brawl and you're sitting there as a
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promoter trying to project the family sport.
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You got your your man and his wife and three kids sitting in
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the grandstands, right? And then you know you've got
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your drivers and everybody's on the edge, Everybody.
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The promoters don't make it any money.
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The drivers and teams are losing, buddy, but they're doing
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it for fun. And all of a sudden you got
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fights. And as a promoter, you know it's
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the last thing you want to happen because you cannot
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promote that fight at your local short track to bring people in
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next week. You can't.
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It don't work. It don't work like it does with
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NASCAR. So you know, they try to keep it
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clean. If somebody gets to fight at
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most those places, they ban them, they bar them, right.
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And it it's just a terrible. Believe what I'm telling you
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folks, short track promoters do not want any part of this,
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right? So they do everything they can
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to try to keep it out. Well, what happens?
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These guys are running these Saturday night race tracks and
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the and the promoters, they turn on the frigging Cup race, the
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biggest deal in the world. And there's the the, you know,
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the big deal that everybody aspires to be there.
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They are fighting, right? And you're sitting there like I
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don't want that at my short track.
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So that that's a hindrance when when they have these things,
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that's probably to be honest with you, Charlie.
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It's everybody's a secret. That's probably the only
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downside to these fights that happened because the upside is
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it's so good to talk about it draws interest.
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It it, it, it. I mean, hell, we're on ESPN,
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we're on the McAfee show everybody, right?
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Everybody had the clip of that. They were talking about it
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Sunday or Monday morning. Every news outlet in the in
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America had the fight on, right. So it's like Big Bill Fresh.
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You see publicity's publicity bad publicity still publicity,
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right. So, but if it just didn't
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trickle down to what short track promoters and those those
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drivers were trying to do, you know, I would.
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That's the only to me. That's the only downside to it.
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As long as nobody gets hurt, you know, 'cause we can sit here and
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talk about it and laugh about it and joke about it and it's fun.
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Somebody gets hurt, then yeah, all right, we got to take a
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different stance. But for, you know, I I don't
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know, I I enjoy the stuff. I just enjoy it.
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Oh, it's great. And by the way, while you're
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talking, I feel like we we owe it to the guy to find his name
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since he was clearing everybody out like the Royal Rumble.
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It's Justin White. So Justin White, Kyle Busch's
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crew, guy with the zone fire suit, just eliminating folks off
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the stage and and he was not fine.
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So the two crew members that were fine were from Ricky's
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team. That's Keith Matthew suspended 4
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weeks. Clint Myrick 8 weeks.
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Ricky's dad suspended indefinitely.
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Ricky gets $75,000 and definitely don't you think
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they're going to say, hey, why don't you stay away from the
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track for the rest of this year and then let things kind of,
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yeah. We have to go back and look at
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what what how they treated Logano's dad kind of a similar
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situation. Go back and see when he he can
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come back and that's probably, that's probably going to tell
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Mister Stenhouse when he's able to come back.
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OK Yeah. But Jason.
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Jason White, you said Justin White.
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Justin White. Justin White, whoever you are,
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Justin, you're my hero, dude. When I get to the next, when I
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get to the next racetrack, I'm going to come up and I'm going
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to oops, Sorry about that, folks.
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That's high technology at work, folks.
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I'm going to come and get your autograph.
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Justin. I am, man.
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You're my hero. Just, you know, that's funny.
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You give me happiness. You know, I hadn't thought about
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that. Obviously the way the the
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Internet especially works in social media, you become a
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sensation instantaneously. And now thinking about that,
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this guy's been all the memes and all the gifts as the kids
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call them. And think about it, there's
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going to be kids now that probably print out or somebody,
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somebody, NASCAR should make money off this.
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They should, they should have some really nice glossy photos
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of Justin White throwing somebody off the truck trailer
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and he should be autographing those with a nice silver
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Sharpie. Because I I would take one of
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those for sure. Exactly.
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And he, they could use him as a promotion of what to do when you
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want in the fight. This guy tried to stop a fight,
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and that's what we're trying to project everybody in America
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with. This guy's our hero.
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We don't want to fight him, but we want him breaking up fights
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and throwing people off the truck.
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Great promotion for NASCAR makes everybody hell.
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Everybody's happy now, dude. Everybody's happy.
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Nobody can fuss about that. Right.
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I'll tell you what, and I agree. You know, you can't find Ricky
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in my opinion and also promote it.
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It just makes no sense. But I think, I think the way the
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fight ended, you know, if you just if you think about
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storytelling, you know, beginning, middle end.
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I mean the way that Kyle yells at Ricky and basically says
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says, you know I suck just as bad as you, let's go.
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I mean he's, you know, they're both frustrated.
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You know Ricky's running in the 20s whatever.
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Kyle obviously usually is AI mean he's a champion.
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He's usually winning races this year.
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He isn't. They're both frustrated.
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But I thought the way that he ended it just saying, hey, I
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suck just as bad as you, let's go.
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It's just like 2 frustrated dudes.
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Very frustrated. And our boss Kenny I think the
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other day used the word passion or compass or passion, right And
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and it it's unless you're into the sport, unless you come
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through as a driver, dead ass broke or whatever and fought and
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scratched and crawled your way to that to that division, the
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the, the, the pinnacle of of auto racing in my mind.
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And you're there and you you're once you get there then the
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stuff that it the stuff that it takes to stay there.
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You know the the the drive and of course when performance on
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the racetrack. But everything off the
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racetrack, the the political stuff, the PR stuff, all the
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stuff you have to accommodate as a driver.
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And then you do all this stuff you go through, you go through
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all this in your life and all of a sudden you're running like
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crap, right? And you cannot, you cannot let
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that go. It's just it's it's it's all
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consuming. It's all, I don't know how to
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say it. I said this when I started.
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I don't know how to say this. But you cannot express, you
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cannot explain to somebody this not or never been in that
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situation what it means to to to to be in that situation.
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Because it's your whole being. It's your whole life.
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It's everything you work for. And if you feel like in this, in
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that moment that it's been threatened and it's been taken
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away from you, right. And that's why Ricky was so
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compassionate or so full of so much passion about what he was
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going to do. That's why Kyle reacted with We
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both suck, right? Let's go.
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It's it's it's it's just all consuming and everything you've
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worked your whole life for in that moment.
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The feeling is this guy's trying to take it away from me, OK?
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And that's really, that's really explains a little bit why these
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guys do and act the way they do. Because in the moment, man,
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there's nothing else any more important than this guy is
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basically trying to take a gun and shoot me.
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He's trying to kill me, trying to end my career, trying to end
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what I've worked for. And you do whatever you've got
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to do, whatever your mindset is and whatever your, you know,
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however you handle things in your life, that's what you
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revert to. And most of the time, it's
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barbaric. It's just barbaric.
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And that dude, let me tell you something.
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I cannot say names. I got a good story to tell you,
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but I cannot say names. Charlie and it It's such a good
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story, but I cannot say names. But if it's all right, could
20:16
should I do that without giving the folks names?
20:19
Sure and let we they. Can they can?
20:21
Guess all right. We were at Rockingham one time.
20:24
This was very very very early my career cup and I parked in the
20:28
garage there there's a there's a multiple winner driver OK that
20:33
leading the race almost got it won.
20:35
There is a future cup champion pitted come out of the racetrack
20:40
for new tires clip the the leader of the race and rectum
20:44
right. I come in get out of my car and
20:47
those days you pull your car up to the back of the truck right
20:50
on the right side of me is a multiple winner driver truck.
20:54
On the left side of me is the future Cup champion truck and.
20:59
What year is this about? Well, I don't want to say if I
21:02
say the year about to go out and figure this out.
21:04
Let's just say very, very, very early in my career, all right,
21:08
Like you're talking 9192, probably.
21:12
So said driver that wins a bunch of races, walks, gets out of his
21:16
car, walks by me. Hey, Rick, how you doing?
21:19
Or something Like, how'd your day go?
21:20
I said, well, whatever. And he's smiling and he walks by
21:23
me and he goes right by my car and goes down in between my
21:27
truck and the future Cup Champions truck.
21:29
And I turn around and look well there's a future cup champion
21:32
walking between our trucks. The multiple winner guy says
21:37
something to him. The future champion turns
21:39
around. The multiple winner comes from.
21:41
And I tell people this story all the time.
21:42
He comes from seems like China with his right fist comes
21:45
straight up in the air and hits hits the multiple champion or
21:49
the the future champion right here And a guy comes off the
21:53
ground and he goes back and his hands are on both sides of the
21:56
truck or this truck and this truck as he goes back and lays
22:00
him out cold. Right.
22:02
And I'm watching this the multiple winter guy comes
22:06
walking by me grinning. All right Rick, have a good week
22:09
buddy. See you next week and walks on
22:11
down not not just grinning not sweating.
22:14
And I look around and the future champion sitting there I said
22:17
he's done killed him he's done killed this good.
22:20
Right. And finally, you know, some crew
22:22
members coming to get him, to get him up.
22:24
And everything's fine and nobody knows about it.
22:28
No reporters on it. There's no TV, OK, there's.
22:34
And I'm like, 'cause I again, this was my really, really,
22:38
really early my career. I knew kind of how things work,
22:42
you know, through the Bush series and all the Outlaw and
22:45
Saturday night Bullring stuff we used to do.
22:47
I kind of knew how you handled things.
22:48
And basically in those days you just handled stuff, right.
22:52
Meeting didn't get involved. You didn't count on your dad's
22:55
fighting for you. You didn't count on the media
22:57
going into press and doing all this crap.
22:59
You had to work your deal out with the driver, right?
23:02
And most of the time it didn't. It didn't revolve around
23:06
fighting. You know?
23:07
Sometimes when it gets bad enough, it did.
23:10
And there's no question, but most time you can work things
23:13
out. Everybody understood.
23:15
But when I saw this happen, I'm like, OK, they do the same shit
23:21
here in Winston Cup races that I've done my whole life to
23:25
patrol yourself, right? You're talking about policing
23:27
ourselves. We've heard that term and I know
23:29
you fans have heard this, that we police ourselves.
23:32
It's a self policing sport. What I just told you is what the
23:36
essence of policing ourselves means, right?
23:40
Because when it was over, those two drivers, as far as I know,
23:43
never had any more trouble. There were no fines written
23:47
down, right, dude? I learned of a story also last
23:52
week at the alumni group and I I I I pride myself in knowing
23:56
everything or pretty much everything that was going on in
23:58
our garage during during my tenure there.
24:01
This one I missed a young driver at North Berks Wilkesboro one
24:06
time. Had a little little problem with
24:08
Dave Marcus. This young driver, when the race
24:11
is over went all the way from one end of Pit Rd.
24:14
To the other end of Pit Rd. to get in Dave Marks's face right.
24:20
The end result was Dave Marcus cold cocked it, knocked the crap
24:25
out of it. The said driver then walked back
24:28
down Pit Rd. to the red truck and went to Mr. Beatty, talking
24:33
about what had just happened. Dick Beatty was the leader of
24:36
our sport and then he controlled the garage.
24:39
Dick Beatty said. Quote.
24:42
So you're telling me that you got out of your car, walked all
24:45
the way down the other end of Pit Rd. to confront that man,
24:47
and that man knocked the shit out of you?
24:50
Said driver said yes. Sir, he's throwing.
24:52
My advice to you is never get out of your car and go down to
24:55
the other Pit Rd. trying to find a fight.
24:58
We'll see you next week, OK? It.
25:01
It it. Makes sense?
25:03
And to my knowledge those two never had any trouble before.
25:06
But that that's what I mean by that's what they mean by self
25:09
policing, right. And like like today's today's
25:13
deal. If that deal I'm telling you
25:15
about had been videoed, well, hell, he probably have charges
25:18
against you because I thought the guy was dead.
25:20
You know what I really did, man. He's gonna kill this guy what
25:23
we're going to do. And the said driver walked by me
25:25
like hell. He just got his hair cut
25:28
smiling, happy. All right, Rick.
25:30
See you next week, buddy. And you know and it's like it
25:34
wasn't that big a deal, but you know you you took care of things
25:36
so I, you know, I, I but but now you you can't do that now.
25:41
I mean, obviously the deal at Daytona in 79 was publicized
25:45
because CBS Sports was telecasted and there it was for
25:48
everybody to see. But believe me, bad.
25:50
There's all kinds of stuff that went on always in the background
25:52
that kept our sport, you know, self policed.
25:56
And those are the stories. Those are awesome stories.
25:59
So let's call an audible and go to What's Pissing Rick off this
26:04
week? Because I I think it's fight
26:05
related And then we'll wrap up our Our Fighting segment here
26:08
because I saw you. I saw you on Twitter and I I
26:12
posted a video last night where Richard Childress is at this
26:15
charity event and he basically says, hey, I'd have jumped in
26:19
and protected my guy Kyle Busch and Ricky Stenhouse Junior said
26:23
he's going to wreck Kyle at Charlotte.
26:25
And I'm going to tell Ricky if he does like you're going to get
26:27
an ass whooping whatever it is. So then people are saying, oh,
26:30
this guy's pushing 80, he can't do nothing.
26:32
And and I saw you on Twitter say don't, you know, don't
26:36
underestimate Richard Childress. Yeah, I mean, he, you know,
26:41
bias, of course, 'cause, you know, he's older than me, of
26:44
course, but I'm sort of that the younger part of his generation,
26:47
you might say. But the thing that pisses me off
26:50
about it, and I don't know if it's really pissed off, more
26:52
irritated or pissed off. But the comments of the people
26:56
talking about Richard, like you just said, I old man, he needs
27:00
to go back. He needs to go to his, but he
27:01
needs to go to the old folks home.
27:03
He he did spend his time trying to get his team running better
27:06
instead of doing this crap. And I'm like so much of social,
27:10
social media is just the people making comments just really
27:15
don't know what the hell they're talking about.
27:18
So they just throw stuff out there and then then what
27:20
happens? Some people come along and
27:22
believe what they just saw. Right.
27:24
Take it verbatim. The deal with Richard Band you
27:28
know give you a little bit of insight.
27:30
When I was very young, these teams would some teams would be
27:34
a it'd be a race team when they go out of business.
27:36
They have these auction sales and I went to maybe three or
27:39
four and went to Jim test is down in Kings Mountain NC one
27:43
time and we're at this auction and and people involved in
27:46
racing to be there. Well, there's Richard Childress
27:48
and I'm watching him bidding on stuff and buying stuff and I
27:52
mean I'm talking like 10 and $15 items.
27:54
He bought a I'll never forget he bought a AMCO valve grinder.
27:58
So all your old folks know what I'm talking about.
28:00
Everybody else on here know what the hell is he talking about.
28:02
It's a it's an engine piece it's a part of a a machine tool
28:05
that's used to build engines works on valves and I forget
28:09
what he gave and I remember watching that deal and you could
28:12
tell Richard was struggling. The thing got up to like 70 or
28:15
$75 and it was a struggle for Richard to go that extra $5.
28:19
I'm like and he this is before he This is why he was still a
28:22
driver right. He he this is before Earnhardt's
28:25
time and he you could tell Richard was struggling to give
28:28
that extra $5 for that valve ground machine.
28:31
Well he took all that stuff and what he did he built his empire
28:35
over the years and his deal, I'm going to tell you something his
28:38
deals like Dale Earnhardt. Dale Earnhardt.
28:42
It's been chronicled and a lot of this goes back with Dale his
28:46
early years. Dale wherever he rate, wherever
28:49
he finished in that race this is before cup.
28:52
Wherever he finished in that race is how he fed his family
28:55
that week or made his payment that that's been qualified.
29:00
It's been talked about it's verified That's the way it
29:02
works. And so many of us, once I got in
29:04
the Bush it was the same way for me that you know by whatever I
29:07
we won. You know that's how we kept our
29:09
team going and Dale was very, very hungry every time when you
29:14
go to supper table, right. He was the he was the hungriest
29:17
guy there ever was when you go to sit down and eat supper.
29:19
So to eat a good supper, he had to do good on the racetrack and
29:23
all that just carried over to the racetrack.
29:25
And the the neat part about Earnhardt, he never lost that
29:29
drive for the day he died. He never lost that.
29:31
He drove every lap of every race like he was.
29:34
He's going to eat, you know, rice or he's going to eat a big
29:37
steak this week. And that's the way he drove.
29:40
Richard Childress is the same way with owning the team, right.
29:43
Everything that that he worked for and built and done is
29:47
through his hard work, blood, sweat and tears.
29:49
You know he's he doesn't have other business so well he's
29:52
starting to get the wine wine stuff and all that but you know
29:55
his his money you you you know like Rick and and and and all
29:59
these other guys Rodger those guys you that have other avenues
30:03
to help do the trade-offs from sponsors.
30:05
Richard doesn't have that so he has fought and scraped for
30:09
everything in his life for everything he's got and that
30:13
that part is just like Dale Earnhardt that that'll never
30:16
leave that man right. And the the thing that people
30:19
didn't pick up on what he said was, yeah, I'm older now.
30:22
And what did he say? Charlie?
30:25
I fight differently. I fight differently.
30:28
I'm older now and I fight differently now.
30:30
You could take that for what it means.
30:32
I know what that means. I think, right, if you're going
30:35
to pick a fight with Richard, even though he's 90,000 years
30:38
old, you're going to lose because he's a smart man and he
30:41
knows he can't. At 80 or 77 years old, he can't
30:45
fight like you used to be able to fight.
30:47
He would try, but he also smart enough realized he's got to have
30:50
a couple of advantages up his sleeve, right?
30:53
I would not mess with that man. You know it's the mentality of
30:56
the man. It's not you know, it's not the
30:58
size of the dog, the fight. It's the fighting the dog.
31:01
And that's what you that's what you're up against when you come
31:04
across somebody like Richard cheers.
31:06
And I'm telling you right now that wasn't that wasn't
31:09
Wordsmith and that was if Stenhouse.
31:12
It's this is folks. This is not going to happen.
31:15
Stenhouse is over. They don't want any more of this
31:17
crap. Believe what I'm telling.
31:18
Believe me, he Ricky doesn't want any more of this crap.
31:21
But if Stenhouse was to go out there and blatantly wreck
31:25
Childress's car, you might as well get the big dude from
31:30
NASCAR, the security guy, to go over where Childress is.
31:32
You might as well set up all the cameras because he's going to
31:35
get some kind of liquid in on Richard on Ricky Stenhouse.
31:38
It's just the way it is, right? I I tell people these stories
31:42
about our sport and I always come back to the word barbaric
31:45
because it seems like it comes down to that sometimes.
31:48
But it's not really. It's it's just your mindset
31:50
right. And the way these guys think and
31:53
and and Richard, just one of them guys.
31:55
He says man I'm older and I got a new way of fighting.
31:59
You better believe what he's saying.
32:01
Don't don't don't discredit this man.
32:03
Don't don't call him an old fool.
32:05
Don't do that. He he is not that.
32:08
He is. He is one of those dudes.
32:12
You know, so many people talk crap, Charlie.
32:14
You know that They get under yap, yap yap.
32:16
You're going to do this, going to do that, and they don't want
32:18
to do shit. Richard's one of those guys
32:21
that, you know, whatever he tells you you could take
32:24
verbatim. He's going to follow through.
32:26
All right, our our Rick Mass story time.
32:29
We can wrap this into the the NASCAR Hall of Fame
32:32
announcement. So you have a Ricky Rudd, a a
32:35
good Virginia boy like yourself. You have Carl Edwards and you
32:38
have a Ralph Moody who is a mechanic and race strategist.
32:41
And so Ricky Rudd is a guy, and I always tell people I didn't
32:44
grow up a hardcore NASCAR fan, but I'd always heard of the of
32:48
the name Ricky Rudd. And then you start to read more
32:51
about him and what one of NASCAR's 75 greatest drivers 23
32:55
wins. The thing that stood out for me,
32:58
he was he was second in 1991, but 906 Cup races over 32 years,
33:05
This guy raced in Cup for 32 years.
33:07
That's pretty amazing. Yeah, Ricky's one of those guys,
33:10
man. He probably should already been
33:12
in the hall, but he's in there now, so that's a mute point.
33:14
But Ricky, Ricky's a little bit different guy.
33:19
Ricky was always a little aloof, I got to say, aloof.
33:23
He was a he was aloof in the garage there.
33:25
Very nice man. Very respectful band right.
33:30
Very talented race car driver, never into squabbles never into
33:34
stuff. An easy race car driver to race
33:37
with somebody. You would you would give breaks
33:39
on the racetrack, right, because he would give you breaks on the
33:42
racetrack never into stuff much And and I think him and the
33:48
Harvick deals about the only deal I know of it happened at
33:50
Richmond that time. But you know he and Linda and
33:52
their little son landed they. I don't know, Rick.
33:56
Ricky came along. When he came along he was one of
33:59
he was kind of like one of the first clean cut guys.
34:02
Charlie. All right.
34:04
And when he came along the sport he, I mean he was you know you
34:07
people didn't really know him. He raced those go karts.
34:09
He was very successful but he came into sport as a as a clean
34:12
cut guy and that image that he projected when he first came in,
34:16
you know he carried that same image all the way through the
34:18
end of his career. You know as even as an owner,
34:22
right. And I don't know.
34:24
He's an Ricky is an interested study in probably the way you
34:29
should conduct yourself in the sport right.
34:33
He was never an Earnhardt flashy Richard Petty type Gordon deal
34:38
right. But he just he did his thing
34:42
very well, respected he he he he he made his fortune in racing.
34:47
You know he he he got in the ownership roller for a while his
34:50
own team. I think that kind of probably
34:52
put him more the edge because owning, owning team in cups,
34:56
especially then it's not an easy deal.
34:58
But you know he's enjoying life. I'm I'm really, really happy for
35:02
him. I'm happy that he got in,
35:03
really. I really AM.
35:05
Speaking of clean cut, also you have Carl Edwards and when I
35:09
really started paying attention to NASCAR, I was working for ATV
35:12
station in Lansing, MI. So we had MIS in our market.
35:16
We had two Cup races at the time.
35:17
So this was this was 2006, 2007. And so this was you know Carl
35:22
Edwards at that point. He was one of the guys right
35:25
then. But you know, Jimmie Johnson,
35:26
Dale Junior. But I just remember Carl Edwards
35:29
obviously with the flip and he was another guy, you know, that
35:32
would what He tried to kind of fake punch Matt Kenseth the one
35:36
time. But a guy who won a lot of
35:38
races, you'd see him on the cover of Men's Health magazine,
35:41
'cause he's all Jack still is, by the way.
35:43
You can still tell that he's freaking in the weight room all
35:46
the time. Obviously he left early.
35:49
It seems like he was pissed off about the way things ended at
35:52
Homestead and felt felt like probably he was he was cheated
35:55
out of a championship there. So a really interesting guy, a
35:58
Missouri guy. I'm sitting here and in Saint
36:00
Louis. He's from, he's from Columbia.
36:02
So just give us your thoughts on Carl Edwards.
36:06
Yeah, Charlie, my takes a little bit different, just a little
36:11
bit. Number one, I don't know
36:13
anything about the Hall of Fame. I don't know what the criteria
36:16
is. I'm sure there's a mission
36:17
statement and I don't know what the criteria is to be a Hall of
36:21
Fame member. My issue with Carl is this.
36:27
We never heard of Carl Edwards. He came into our sport, He did
36:31
his thing, tremendous race car driver.
36:34
Golly is talented. But he came in, he got his
36:38
fortune and when he left, he left the sport never to be heard
36:43
or see from again, right. That's my problem with him being
36:47
a Hall of Fame member. You know, give back to the
36:49
sport. Excuse me, where is your give
36:51
back to the sport, Carl? Right.
36:53
So I'm thinking about that. And then my kids were talking
36:56
about that last night. And my my daughters and my son,
37:00
you know, we're all into this stuff pretty hard.
37:03
They're better at this stuff than me, actually.
37:06
They dig up stuff. They point out Carl's history.
37:09
They point out his stats, right? And I, because I discounted him
37:15
by leaving our sport and not being involved after I kind of
37:21
threw his stats out, didn't think about them.
37:24
His stats are incredible, dude. Yeah.
37:26
So do we do we put, do we put guys in because of the stats
37:31
their contribution to sport or the impact they made?
37:34
Right when Carl was here, he made a hell of an impact.
37:37
And and what you just said, what you just said is one of the
37:41
reasons you're from the Midwest, Carl's from the Midwest.
37:44
You latched on to him, right. How many 10s of thousands of
37:48
folks and you, you fans, did we get in the Midwest because of
37:52
Carl Edwards, right? I'm sitting here justifying to
37:55
myself to y'all why I I I think Carl, Carl belongs to be in
38:01
there, deserves to be in there. When originally I did not think
38:04
he did because I felt like he didn't help our sport when he
38:09
left, right? But the impact he had when he
38:12
was here, Pretty substantial, dude.
38:15
Pretty substantial. Yeah, I'm looking right now.
38:18
So 6 Truck wins out of 60 races in a fourth place finish in
38:22
2438, Xfinity wins and A championship in 2728 Cup wins
38:29
and finished second twice. And you know, it's it's funny.
38:33
I I like your perspective there and I'm I'm as a person who's
38:37
always worked in the media. I also just always am drawn to
38:40
storylines. And for me, I think the way Carl
38:44
Edwards left the sport makes him even more interesting.
38:47
Now to you. I get it.
38:49
I get it. Hey, hey, he needs back at the
38:52
tracks for the alumni. I know he came last year for the
38:55
for the top 75 deal. But I I understand your point of
38:58
saying no, he needs to come back.
38:59
He needs to, to help out the sport.
39:01
But kind of being you, you said aloof earlier, I believe talking
39:05
about somebody but being kind of that recluse where you don't
39:08
hear from him very often, it's kind of more mysterious.
39:12
I'm trying to think, you know, who's like that a Saint Louis
39:15
Cardinals old school and and what Philly's Steve Carlton was
39:19
like that and his guy that because you never heard from
39:24
him. It was more fascinating.
39:26
Like, what is he up to? Why does he not want to do
39:28
interviews? And I think there's that with
39:30
Carl. Like it adds to his mystique.
39:32
I feel like that you don't hear from him very much.
39:35
It it makes me more interested in Carl Edwards.
39:37
Yeah. And and the story, you know, if
39:39
we ever get the true story, you know it's been hints and rumors
39:42
and all that while you know he he, he he read second to Tony at
39:46
Homestead and lost the championship.
39:48
That's last time we saw him race, right.
39:50
What? And then the rumors and the
39:52
stories. It's been about him and he has
39:54
absolutely given no one any indication why he did what he
39:59
did. Right.
40:00
It's like ADB Cooper, man. Where'd he go?
40:02
In the plane. And it's like, what happened.
40:05
Carl, what's the story here? You're the mystique, the
40:07
mystery. I mean, I agree with you,
40:09
Charlie. Somewhere down the road maybe
40:11
that that'll be uncovered. You know why he did what he did
40:15
and maybe. You know if you if you read the
40:17
the the the one take is he was so pissed at NASCAR and felt
40:22
like he got wronged he would never have a chance right.
40:26
If if you believe that, then you know, if that was to ever be
40:31
true and he's never said, well, what?
40:33
Let me get back if if that was really what happened.
40:37
Well, maybe he was trying to protect the sport instead of
40:40
coming out and saying these bunch of people screwed me.
40:43
I've never on and on and on. I'm leaving it, you know what I
40:45
mean? Leaving the sport, maybe if he
40:47
did feel the weight I have. No, this is pure conjecture on
40:50
my part and I'm just conjecture this from other people's
40:53
conjecture, right? And if that was the case, maybe
40:56
he was protecting the sport. If he felt like they
40:58
interounded, he want everything to do with it anymore instead of
41:01
laying blasting, You know, they give me, they've given me my
41:05
retirement for the rest of my life.
41:06
I'm just going to leave it alone.
41:07
Maybe. I don't know.
41:10
Who knows? Yeah I feel like I could be
41:12
wrong and maybe it's because I'm I'm wishing this to happen but I
41:16
feel like he may come back for some type of one off race.
41:19
And I only say that because when he did a couple of interviews at
41:22
I think it was what Darlington last year and some people asked
41:25
him about it and I think he's been working a little bit with
41:28
track House and he's kind of hanging around the shop with
41:31
track house. He said he had done some type of
41:33
SIM. I I can't remember exactly what
41:35
he said this was a year ago, but he said he'd been doing
41:37
something in The Sims. So it seems like he's getting a
41:40
little bit of an itch and I feel like it's kind of like, you
41:43
know, Dale Junior still wants to race couple Xfinity races every
41:47
once in a while and have his kids see him race.
41:49
So I don't know, I just feel like in the next couple years it
41:52
wouldn't surprise me if Carl Edwards comes back for for a one
41:56
off race. I I don't know.
41:57
Maybe it's because I want that to happen.
41:59
It'd be cool. I mean it'd be very cool if you
42:01
did. And he could probably pick right
42:03
up about where he left off because he was an extraordinary
42:06
talent. Yeah and and but you know so
42:09
many guys when they walk away from the sport, man, they're
42:11
done. You know you've you've, you've,
42:12
you've done it for so long and you know you're just you're used
42:17
up, basically. That's what happens to good crew
42:19
chiefs. Crew chiefs get used up about.
42:22
I talk about crew chiefs all the time, man.
42:23
Crew chiefs, they'll, they will, the good crew chief said.
42:27
I've seen so many of them do the same thing.
42:29
It doesn't seem to be quite as prevalent today because it
42:32
doesn't seem like it's quite as much on them.
42:34
But a crew chief would in my day, he would breathe it, eat
42:38
it, poop it, drink it, sleeping right 24/7, all the time.
42:44
And those guys, and I'm talking truly 24/7 being into it.
42:50
Everyone of them do the same thing.
42:51
Some were, Some were, depending on when they started and
42:55
whatever the age they were. But let's just say somewhere in
42:58
the 40s or late 40s or whatever, they hit a wall.
43:01
All of a sudden they wake up one day.
43:03
I've hit this friggin wall. I cannot do this anymore.
43:06
I'm either going to have to stop or going to have to shoot
43:08
myself, right? I cannot invest my whole being
43:13
into doing this. And you know, they'd walk away
43:16
right Then. You see the crew chiefs that
43:19
would kind of linger on forever. They were never as successful as
43:23
those other guys and and and and you know, but but they weren't
43:27
putting everything into it right?
43:30
And they were just kind of linger on.
43:33
Maybe that's what happened to Carl here, you know what I mean?
43:35
A lot of guys, when they leave the sport, they're done.
43:37
They don't want to come back. They will be a part of it.
43:39
But as it as time goes on, I know like with me nostalgia
43:42
starts taking over a little bit and you want to be a part of
43:45
what's going on and try to help what you can help.
43:48
And some guys don't leave at all.
43:50
You know, they they quit driving but they're still in there.
43:52
But I'm just there's so much mystery with Carl Edwards.
43:55
I'm just not sure which category he fits in.
43:58
Charlie. I I I don't know yet.
44:00
And like you said, that's what's kind of intriguing about him,
44:03
right. And trying to think about it and
44:05
figure it out. You know maybe someday maybe
44:07
that'll be CC's Charlie's big deal.
44:11
He'll get to the bottom somehow. You or maybe we have only Rick
44:14
Mash. So said listen they're going
44:15
tell us nobody gives a shit now tell us, right.
44:18
Yeah, who knows? I know, I'll tell you what, just
44:22
kind of random fact. So on on Kenny's channel, which
44:25
this is being broadcast on as you're watching right now, our
44:28
most popular video ever was a couple years ago.
44:32
Kenny just doing 10 minutes on his opinion on why Carl Edwards
44:37
retired from NASCAR early and it's pushing like 900,000 views.
44:40
Hopefully it gets over a million in the next several months.
44:45
And so look, Kenny being a Saint Louis guy and Carl Edwards
44:49
Columbia guy, they have the Missouri tie.
44:51
So I I know Kenny has tried to get Carl on the Kenny
44:55
conversation which maybe he does down the road.
44:58
I don't think Carl wants to do a lot of media, but I also think I
45:01
think time really does heal all wounds.
45:04
You know if he if he was pissed at NASCAR.
45:06
I do think as you get older you know this, you want to see your
45:08
old buddies. You do want to be remembered.
45:10
It might be 10/15/20 years from now, but everybody, you want to
45:14
go to the NASCAR alumni and have a nice dinner and drink some
45:17
beers with the boys, right? I I do feel like after a while I
45:20
think we'll see. Maybe he doesn't race, maybe I'm
45:22
wrong on that, but I think we'll see him again as as he ages,
45:26
hanging around tracks more. Yeah, I I agree.
45:28
You know, again, he's such a friggin mystery.
45:32
I never knew Carl, OK? So I it's hard for me to kind of
45:36
say you. A lot of the guys you know if we
45:38
got some stuff going on and mystery in a little bit and not
45:40
figured out, I kind of got a pretty good idea maybe where
45:43
they're coming from. But this dude here, none.
45:46
You know Rick Mass is completely out to lunch with this dude.
45:49
Right. I will say this I disagreed with
45:52
the Hall of Fame start with right after talking with my
45:55
children last night and looking at what had happened and and
45:59
listening to you today about the Midwest connection, I'm like
46:02
yeah, this dude. This dude definitely deserves to
46:05
be in the Hall of Fame. You know my problem, I'll tell
46:08
you what, Charles, my whole problem with Hall of Fame is, is
46:11
in that opinion, it should have been the first year or two.
46:16
We should have put 20 or 30 guys in that.
46:19
That. That's been my take all along.
46:21
Get all the guys from 20, all those guys that that are getting
46:25
in there, like the Ralph Booty, right?
46:27
You know, those guys I think should have been put in the
46:32
first couple years. You get all those guys out of
46:34
the way, all the all the the Banjo Matthews of the world,
46:38
right? All those guys put in the sport
46:40
back then to start with. Then we can start each year
46:45
having a better, I think better conversation because that's
46:47
still a, that's still a critical conversation that people have
46:50
between the old drivers, old time guys and the new guys,
46:54
right? It's an argument every frigging
46:56
year. So if we'd have put a lot of
46:57
those guys in to start with, I don't think we'd.
46:59
I don't think the Hall would have set themselves up to be
47:02
criticized as much as they do, right?
47:04
And that's that's the really, in my view, the only criticism I've
47:09
ever had of the Hall of Fame. Any pics or anything, you know?
47:13
Yeah. And this gets back to, I'll keep
47:15
saying kind of the same type of narrative, but to me, and this
47:18
is, this is as a sports fan, you know, this is about Barstool
47:23
talk. You and I, we're talking now,
47:25
but I would like to think it's the same if you and I are
47:28
sitting drinking a couple beers. To me, the arguments are what
47:32
makes it fun. So I agree with you, it probably
47:35
made more sense for NASCAR to put 30 in, But if they only put
47:38
three in every year, it keeps the discussion alive every year.
47:43
And I think that's what's fun. Like with baseball, you know,
47:45
baseball, it's always should Barry Bonds be in?
47:47
How do you handle the PED guy? Should this guy be in?
47:50
Are they letting everybody in? And like, we all get passionate
47:53
about it. We know it's at the end of the
47:55
day, it's not that huge of a deal, but it's kind of fun to
47:57
talk about. Yeah.
47:58
And you're you're right, Charlie, that what you just
48:00
said. It's been the same thing thrown
48:03
back, thrown back at me when I, when I express my feelings about
48:06
that. I've heard that from numerous
48:07
people. This exact same thing you said.
48:10
But you know, thinking about something, you know, the biggest
48:12
travesty is it travesty in Hall of Fame.
48:15
You know what it is. Is it?
48:17
Is it What sport is it? Baseball.
48:20
Pete Rose. No doubt.
48:23
No doubt. And I and I know I hear all the
48:26
arguments about that, but my God almighty, we can, We can.
48:30
We can never criticize our our NASCAR Hall of Fame as long as
48:34
Pete Rose is not in the ML Baseball Hall of Fame.
48:37
We cannot criticize our Hall of Fame because that's the biggest
48:40
travesty in sports. Case closed.
48:43
All right, another day. Let's I'll tell you what another
48:46
day we should we should have a little debate on that, although
48:48
I I don't. Have a strong take, I don't.
48:50
Have a strong take, but I can always just find my way into an.
48:52
Argument on. On any topic I've.
48:54
Noticed that. Yeah, let's finish the Hall of
48:57
Fame. Ralph Moody again.
48:59
I'm not going to pretend like I knew a ton about him until I
49:01
just read about him recently, but a famous and successful
49:05
obviously mechanic and race strategist.
49:08
Yeah. The only interaction I ever had
49:11
with Ralph Moody, I'm a young fledgling race car driver.
49:14
Right. And I talked earlier about going
49:16
to these sales, you know trying to buy a piece of air equip line
49:19
or something. Richard Giles bodies $75, what
49:21
you call it valve ground. I go for some reason or another
49:26
I stop in home and Moody's shop. All right.
49:29
And I don't know these people from Adam, but I'm I'm a
49:31
fledgling race car driver. I've got AI guess at that point
49:35
I'm running late model sports with this is before the Busch
49:37
series and we're in I'm in Charlotte might have been one of
49:41
those sales I don't know but for some reason I just stopped at
49:44
home and Moody shop. I don't know why the hell I
49:45
stopped there but like man this is like this is like big you
49:49
know bug eyed race car driver going to home and Moody shop.
49:52
This is cool and I go in the shop and I'm kind of looking
49:55
around and the guy comes up to me Can I help you Sir.
49:57
I said no, I'm just, you know, I'm in the area.
50:00
I told, but I gave him my name and I'm, I said I'm going to got
50:03
a light ball I'll try to run up to Virginia and I'm just want to
50:06
stop in here and look, this guy said come on and this guy walks
50:09
me through the place, right? And then he takes me to his
50:12
office and we sat down and I sit down in this office and I
50:16
probably an hour and a half or longer talking to this guy.
50:22
Right? And his name is Ralph Friggin
50:24
Moody. You know what I'm saying?
50:26
I'm like and I don't even know exactly for sure who the hell
50:29
I'm even talking to at the time goes, you know, I'm removed from
50:32
that deal for being in for Virginia.
50:35
But I knew it was home and Moody and Moody.
50:37
This is the that's on the on the building home and Moody and and
50:41
this is the Moody, that part of home and Moody, that's on the
50:43
side, right. I didn't understand at that
50:47
moment. In the moment I didn't
50:48
understand the significance. I didn't understand what it
50:51
meant. I didn't understand all that.
50:52
But I always look back at that thinking, damn, that was cool,
50:56
that guy. But between walking through the
50:58
shop and sitting down with me, I mean, it was well of two, 2 1/2
51:01
hours, right? This guy just sat down and he
51:04
explained racing to me. He we were talking about
51:07
chassis, we were talking about cars.
51:09
The main thing we're talking about was chassis, right?
51:12
Because I was just somebody just thirsted for knowledge about
51:15
chassis and race cars and how they, how they handled what,
51:18
what it took to make them work and on and on and on.
51:20
And I was, at that time I was building boat race cars too,
51:22
right? So it was just to me was just
51:25
fascinated. Somebody like this would take
51:27
that amount of time with somebody just walk through the
51:30
door some fledgling kid, right? And just take his time to do
51:35
that. And I've, I've always thought
51:37
about that with that guy, right? I'm like, damn, that was pretty
51:40
cool. You think?
51:42
Because you can I tell you what, I go to some other owner shops
51:44
at all and they like, get the hell out of my way.
51:46
What you doing in here, boy? You know what I mean.
51:49
You you were treated like that at different places.
51:51
But man, man, oh man, what a special do you.
51:54
What a special, what a special conversation.
51:56
End time. That's very cool.
51:58
Let's let's move on here we'll we'll finish up with the the
52:02
Coke 600. Just give us your thoughts, any
52:05
stories from your past. And also I mean is, is it that
52:09
big of a difference your your longest race in NASCAR?
52:12
Can you feel that? Is it more mentally wearing on a
52:16
driver, grinding on you when you're going 600?
52:19
Charlie, the first time I went to the World 600, it was start.
52:23
It would start at what, 12 or 1:00 or whatever.
52:26
I remember the first couple races down there in that deal
52:30
getting out of the car, and this is before I'd run, maybe two of
52:33
them before I ever got my big time deal with Skull and I had
52:38
started working. At that point.
52:40
I had really started working with UVA trainer with a program
52:43
to get myself physically fit, and it reminded me when the race
52:49
was over, I'd get out of the car and look up and down the pit Rd.
52:52
of the garage. It reminded me of a deer
52:55
slaughter and what I mean drivers laying down on the
52:59
ground, everybody fan of them. Coats.
53:02
I mean towels. Water being poured on them,
53:05
Medics running around giving Ivs, giving fluids, right.
53:09
I'm like damn. And and and and you and you.
53:13
Hell, I was probably involved in it myself too.
53:15
I I was putting more out, dehydrated and done.
53:18
But it was. But that's what it reminded me
53:21
of. Dude.
53:21
It was so brutal. Golly, it was brutal.
53:24
Now what happened when they went to the night race, it was like
53:29
you'd start the race at 5 or whatever and you'd be running
53:32
along. You start to get a little tired
53:34
or whatever, and then the night cool air would start hitting
53:37
into the car is like, you regenerated, man.
53:39
The last part of the race is like, man, this is cool, 'cause
53:43
you feel as good now or better than we did when the race
53:45
started, you know, And but yeah, it it it, it's a big deal if
53:50
they run the race at 1:00 in the daytime and it's 95° outside.
53:55
Believe what I'm telling you, even today with today's car and
53:59
today's driver, that race is going to be over and it's still
54:02
going to look like a damn deer slaughter.
54:03
All right, let it be 95°. Start the race at 1:00 and I'm
54:07
telling you, you'll see what I'm talking about.
54:09
But OK, one of the interest things one of the interesting
54:13
things happening one time we were there and we had.
54:18
I had me and my wife we had went to a restaurant there at the
54:23
Concord Mills right at a place one of the rest anyhow ate get
54:30
food poisoning right Sunday's the the race man.
54:35
I'm sick of the dog. I spend all day Sunday in the
54:38
Enfield care and they're just publicly full of fluids.
54:42
We start that race. I mean, I'm still not in good
54:45
shape. And we start that race and we
54:47
run that race and we run and we run and finally, this is at
54:51
night time, we have a rain delay.
54:54
It starts raining. So they stop the red flag of the
54:57
race. I immediately leave the car, go
55:00
to the Enfield care center. They hook up IV to be pumped
55:04
fluids into me again and by the time I come out of there, man,
55:08
I'm starved. I begged my crew guys, told him
55:10
to go get me some fried chicken and eat the fried chicken.
55:14
I put something like that on Facebook a while back and one of
55:17
the one of the my PR band, Michael Rump.
55:19
At the time, he had to correct a few of the little things about
55:22
the store. He said I'm the one that brought
55:24
the chicken and we didn't bring it to infield carry.
55:26
We actually took it to the car to you right when you get back
55:29
in the car. So you know when you start that
55:32
race, you got food, poison, you're like, man, I'm not going
55:34
to make it, I'm not going to make it.
55:36
But the the medical care I received at the at the field
55:39
care of those guys, it was pretty remarkable.
55:43
All right, let's end on this note then, because the fact that
55:46
it's a night race, at least now allows for Kyle Larson to to
55:51
pull off this double. So what, what do you think of,
55:54
and it's been done before, obviously, but what do you think
55:56
of Larson's attempt, which is, you know, it's great for all of
55:59
racing and NASCAR. It's what everybody's talking
56:01
about, really, the whole month. Yeah, it's the coolest thing,
56:04
man. It's the coolest thing.
56:06
I mean he's, you know, I mean he's been compared as the as the
56:09
greatest ever. And here we go again with social
56:11
media, man. They're all the hell.
56:13
Everybody's fighting, right. So somebody said, well, this
56:16
will put him in contention to be in the talks of the greatest
56:20
race car driver in the world, right?
56:21
Lord have mercy. The F1 people come out of the
56:23
woodwork now. Everybody, now, everybody's
56:25
fighting between him and what's his name, Max Burbett and
56:28
whatever his name is, right? Yeah, yeah, that's it.
56:31
And I'm like, come on guys, just enjoy the boat, everybody.
56:35
Quit your damn fighting on social media.
56:37
But, but, but Kyle and and we all know this, he's a
56:40
generational, generational talent, right?
56:43
And you know who else is like that?
56:46
We know AJ Foyt, Mario, that's it.
56:50
I mean that's really it AJ and Barrio and this guy comes along
56:54
doing what he's doing and it's not I don't think that anybody
56:58
that this guy is college driven for even the even the the dirt,
57:03
the dirt car late model guy that he drives for the Sprint cars he
57:07
does the of course Mr. Henrick and all those people.
57:10
I don't think if you really get down to it, I don't think any of
57:13
them were surprised about what Kyle's doing it into right
57:17
'cause they know how how talented this little dude is.
57:22
Hell, it doesn't matter. Put him in a car.
57:23
If it's a race car, he's going to get the most out of that race
57:26
car. And God, what a story would be
57:29
if he's to win that thing, you know, that's that's that's going
57:32
to be very, very hard to do. But you know, he's good enough
57:35
talent to do it, dude. Yeah that's you know I can't
57:39
remember who said this because I've I've just seen so many
57:42
interviews it it was a a famous cup guy now and I don't even
57:46
want to pretend to remember who it was.
57:47
But they basically said they were asked what do you think
57:50
will happen with Kyle Larson in the Indy 500.
57:53
And this guy just said well I think he's going to win it and
57:56
he said it so matter of factly he goes that's just that is how
58:00
much respect I have for Kyle Larson as a race car driver that
58:05
that I don't think he's just going there for fun to finish
58:07
whatever it is 17th. No, he's like, it would not
58:10
surprise me one bit if he wins the actual race.
58:13
Yeah, it would surprise me. And you can bet your butt the
58:16
Rick Hendrick makes sure that he's in a car that's capable
58:19
winning. Yeah, OK.
58:21
I mean, well, look what Kurt Busch did.
58:22
Kurt, I thought in it. I don't know why it doesn't get
58:24
as much play as it does, but I thought what Kurt Busch did that
58:27
year was phenomenal, right? We do totally do.
58:30
Well, when he did it because he came, he, he he drove those
58:33
cars. He already do that.
58:34
Kurt Busch did never give them cars and he went up there and
58:38
we'll have to look the stats up. I forget the stats, but man, he
58:41
was up there in the top deal the whole time he was up there,
58:43
right? And then then when Kyle comes
58:45
along, you bet your ass that that the deal was done with,
58:49
with with McLaren and all that with Hendrick, that yeah, we
58:52
we're going to let Kyle do this, but if he's going to do this,
58:55
he's going to have a legitimate shot at winning from from a team
58:59
standpoint, OK? And I think that part part was
59:02
probably already covered. And the rest of us up to, you
59:05
know, the luck and the engineers and the set up and all that.
59:08
But, you know, like I said, that goes back to what I just said,
59:14
Charlie, you don't. And what you just said, you
59:15
don't. I don't think there's anybody
59:17
that that's surprised that knows Kyle put it this way, people
59:21
that's worked with Kyle, right, that like the driver said, yeah,
59:24
he'll win. You know, no big deal.
59:26
You know, we know. We know who he is, what he is.
59:29
Right. Right.
59:29
So that would be so friendly. Cool.
59:31
But that's going to be fun to watch.
59:33
And I always say watch for my tweet.
59:35
Man, I've been doing this for for a few years.
59:39
Or it's AX. What do you call it?
59:40
You don't tweet. What do you do?
59:41
You don't. You don't tweet you.
59:44
XI guess you do. It's called, It's called Posting
59:47
now on X you. Post on X instead of saying I
59:49
tweeted, all right, that's what I got to do.
59:51
Yeah, Each year I put on their own and I'll do it again Sunday
59:54
morning or sometimes Sunday. I'll say I just had Bacardi for
59:58
breakfast, right? Eating some wine and cheese for
1:00:01
lunch and I'll be eating fried chicken and beer for supper,
1:00:04
baby, right. And not a lot of most people get
1:00:08
it, but a lot of people don't get that right.
1:00:10
Bacardi for breakfast, Wild cheese for In fact, Jay Fry got,
1:00:14
you know, Jay Jay's a He's a whatever.
1:00:19
He's a Mizzou guy. Played football Mizzou.
1:00:21
Yeah, yeah. But he's he's the president of
1:00:23
IndyCar races. Yeah, of IndyCar.
1:00:25
Yeah, yeah, you know, I posted that one year and Jay got bad at
1:00:28
me. We eat plenty of fried chicken
1:00:30
and and beer in Indianapolis 500.
1:00:32
Rick, we don't just eat wine and cheese.
1:00:35
That was pretty fun. So anyhow, everybody gets your
1:00:38
Bacardi, your wine and cheese, and your beer and chicken for
1:00:41
Sunday. I love it.
1:00:43
Fantastic. Well, Rick, this was really fun.
1:00:45
I I think, first of all, we've had some good episodes.
1:00:48
I think this so far has been our best.
1:00:51
Some great stories from you and also NASCAR is really hot right
1:00:55
now. Like everything is trending.
1:00:58
Anything you put out there about the fight, people are watching
1:01:01
and consuming. It's good for business, buddy.
1:01:03
And you know what? Some of the guys, we'll get into
1:01:06
this sometimes. Some of the negative, some of
1:01:08
the negative journalists that just rag on our ass all the time
1:01:11
in our sport. It's been quiet all week.
1:01:14
It's been quiet. I've been 'cause I personally go
1:01:17
to their sites and look at what they're saying and writing and
1:01:20
posting on X. And I'm like, where you at,
1:01:23
guys, right? But they still come up with
1:01:25
something negative. But I've enjoyed watching it.
1:01:28
Someday we'll get into that. Maybe even name names for these
1:01:31
assholes, you know? That.
1:01:33
That that beat on us and don't like us, but get.
1:01:35
I love it and and my thing is, look, I look at it all as
1:01:39
content, a fight, an argument, negativity.
1:01:43
It's. All, hey, it's it's any
1:01:45
publicity is good publicity, even if it's negative.
1:01:48
People are. And you know what's worse?
1:01:49
What's worse is when nobody talks about you, Bill.
1:01:52
Frank Senior would love you. Charlie, Bill, Frank Senior
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would have loved you, yes. All right, Rick, We'll see you,
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man. This was fun.
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Take it. Easy.
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See you guys. Take care.