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Bonus: Jesse’s Conversation With Talarico-Hoaxer Rhein Amacher · Blocked and Reported

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Jesse, what the hell is this?
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  SPEAKER_02: This is double bonus content.
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I guess it's just bonus content.
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  SPEAKER_02: I interviewed earlier today, Thursday, October 15th.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_02: I interviewed a guy named Ryan Amaker.
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  SPEAKER_02: Ryan is the guy who basically set off this whole hoax about James Tallarico and
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_02: a psychiatric hospital or clinic or whatever.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's an interesting conversation.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_02: It is a conversation that will benefit from some background knowledge about this.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_02: Lucky for you,
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  SPEAKER_02: we're releasing this the same time as we're releasing a media episode
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  SPEAKER_02: about this whole controversy.
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  SPEAKER_02: So if you already know about the controversy, you can listen to this and you'll get it.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_02: But you might want to listen to our episode first.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_02: Anything else, Katie?
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: No, I haven't listened
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  SPEAKER_02: to this.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_00: This is good.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: So this is like unfettered.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: Are you going to be honest?
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: Am I going to listen to it?
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_02: Are you going to?
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: Honestly, no.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's a good advertisement for it.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_02: I think this is for the real freaks, the real telefreakos.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's getting inside the mind of a guy who's like a MAGA influencer who doesn't seem
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_02: to really be able to lie.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like weirdly for a guy who spread a false rumor,
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_02: he's pretty truthful about his motives and how he views the...
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  SPEAKER_02: Underlying moral issues to the extent he thinks there are moral issues,
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  SPEAKER_02: which he doesn't really.
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  SPEAKER_02: I found it interesting to talk to him.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hopefully you'll find it interesting too.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's just the audio as is.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_02: I cut out where he works.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_02: He mentioned where he works, which we don't need to do that.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_02: And it's two calls.
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  SPEAKER_02: You'll hear me hang up and then explain that I'm about to get back on the phone with him.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_00: Anything else, Katie?
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: No, I think it's great that you have talked on the phone.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_00: Not to a girl, but Jesse has talked on the phone.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you got to start by practicing with your guy friends, your guy mega influencer friends.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Two bros just chatting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Enjoy.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, wait.
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  SPEAKER_02: And also, are we doing a preview version of this too?
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: You should do a preview.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_02: Well, okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: So first of all, I posted this to my Substack.
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  SPEAKER_02: So this will be duplicative for some of you.
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  SPEAKER_02: But this will cut off if you're not a Primo subscriber, if you want to hear the whole thing.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_02: Become a Primo subscriber.
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  SPEAKER_02: Bye.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bye.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: Hello.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey, Ryan.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's Jesse Single.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, hey, what's up, Katie?
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, do you have a few minutes now?
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I can film this.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_02: I was just going to mention,
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: that she played a role in spreading this idea
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_02: that Tyler Rico had been institutionalized.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I just keep circling back to the idea that I sort
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_02: of feel like everyone is claiming that this was like your thing,
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_02: that you were the guy.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't know, it just made me curious about like you said you got a tip from someone.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_02: I'm curious if you can tell me anything about that.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it was off the tweet.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_02: The tweet from who?
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  SPEAKER_01: Caroline, I think.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: I posted on last Wednesday.
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  SPEAKER_02: I reposted her.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And
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  SPEAKER_01: I just went on a leap of faith and called the lender center.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I posted a statement this morning.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think I got it.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I say that I didn't lie.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think what I'm trying to say is I didn't lie about the phone call.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_01: The phone call was real.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think that they're talking about, like, oh, you misrepresented.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: You said your camera, you know, tolerate those cousins.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, of course.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm talking about the phone call.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_01: The phone call was not mini-played or faked or... That's what I was talking about.
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  SPEAKER_01: So a little confusing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I guess a little confusing on my part.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_02: Gotcha.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_02: Did you...
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_02: As this was all initially unfolding and you were planning to call them,
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_02: did you have any interactions with Michelle?
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't even have.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've talked to her a couple times on like a space, but I never know.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when I got it, I think I even told you that, you know, I'm originally from Portland.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: And when Nick and Kubel Daylor came down last fall, that's who I reached out to.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't even have Michelle's number.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_02: Gotcha.
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  SPEAKER_02: And what about,
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm just,
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm like curious,
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  SPEAKER_02: it seems like just in the normal course of American politics,
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_02: this is the sort of thing campaigns do.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_02: They try to spread stuff like this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Do you think the Pakistan campaign added any role in that?
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't think,
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think they, well,
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: because when Nick retweeted,
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: retweeted, or excuse me, he posted original, and I made my own.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think he got like 7 million views, I got like one and a half.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: So he's monetizing off of, I would say my work.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: I think you can agree to that, right?
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're saying Nick is making money off your work.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: he's got, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: how many,
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  SPEAKER_01: this is his full-time job,
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  SPEAKER_01: but his post,
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  SPEAKER_01: which he never would have posted if I didn't get an audio,
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  SPEAKER_01: he's got like seven and a half or eight
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  SPEAKER_02: million views on
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  SPEAKER_01: now.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_02: Are you making decent money from this stuff?
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I got, I just looked right now because they
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  SPEAKER_02: pay every,
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the X creator poker thing.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_02: I know they
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: just changed it.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm at 12.3 million impressions for the last two weeks.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And do you know what that's going to translate to Money Wise about?
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: I don't.
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  SPEAKER_01: The most I ever got was like $1200, which was like a
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  SPEAKER_02: month ago.
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  SPEAKER_02: $1200 for how much time posting?
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  SPEAKER_01: Two weeks.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it was like $9.3 million for every two weeks period.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then how many impressions did you say you have the last two weeks?
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  SPEAKER_01: So right now I have 12.4.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, so that could,
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_02: so that's like,
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  SPEAKER_02: if you have,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's all a little bit unclear how they translate it,
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  SPEAKER_02: but you could be looking at like 15, potentially 1500 or $3,000.
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  SPEAKER_02: Potentially.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and if it's like premium or, you know, blue check mark that, you know, that,
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  SPEAKER_02: So how does it work that Nick gets, like,
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  SPEAKER_02: is it just because he had the bigger platform going,
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  SPEAKER_02: and it sounds like he's going to get, like, six times what you got for your work?
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_01: Say again?
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Are you okay with that?
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, what?
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, are you, like, okay with that?
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: Because you were the one who made the call.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, like, in hindsight, it's 20-20.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, I would say
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  SPEAKER_01: there was,
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't think,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, go through the, you know, think about what was going to happen.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, after they posted, was
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  SPEAKER_01: it the owner center posted the statement?
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, it was like, okay, that's it, you know.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I still think he had a mental episode, but obviously it wasn't in Cincinnati, Ohio.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: I just think, you know, there's still, there's something...
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  SPEAKER_01: This is my, it's not fact or anything, but
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  SPEAKER_02: I think something happened.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what, but obviously it wasn't in Ohio, but, you know.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so you think it wasn't at the Lindner Center?
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, not now.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: I basically, like,
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: the term, like,
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_01: high off opium, like,
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  SPEAKER_01: I was hoping, like,
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_01: oh, this would stick,
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: but I actually do have my two children's thinking through, so.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was funny, too.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I didn't sleep at all until Monday.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_02: From when until when?
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: So I was driving back from Seattle.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I slept Saturday morning.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Friday night, I went to bed at like probably 1 or 2.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then I got up around 10.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then went for a hike.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then about 2 o'clock.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, probably like 1.30.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: Went to Seattle, man, so buddies.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: And then when I drove back, I was up all night and Sunday.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_01: I probably didn't go to sleep until Sunday night, probably around
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_02: 8 or 9.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_02: So you were up from like Saturday night to Sunday night?
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_01: Friday night.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_02: You were up from Friday night to Sunday night?
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because I went to Seattle.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't sleep Saturday night.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't go to bed until Sunday night because of just everything that was going on.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_02: Are you back?
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_02: Are you back in Oregon now?
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, that's, uh,
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so curious about the economics of this because it seems like the,
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_02: like if you're an influencer, you just, I wasn't,
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not in like the next story.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_02: No, I know.
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  SPEAKER_02: But you,
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  SPEAKER_02: it seems like there's like,
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  SPEAKER_02: you just, you need to keep posting basically for the money to be good.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like you need to be diligent about it.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: I post pretty regularly,
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: but I'm not,
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't,
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: I get that post, well,
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: first thing you nailed the election,
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: I post more often, but, I mean, that's just close to the election, but, you know.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_02: Was the, when you had the $1,500 payment, was that, like, a lot for you?
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like, is it getting better as the election approaches?
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I usually, every two weeks, I get, like, 400 or 500 bucks, which is, like, extra income.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_02: And is that, like,
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  SPEAKER_02: a decent chunk of your overall income, or is it just, like, a bonus on top, or what?
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, just a bonus.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I wish I better understood, like, this whole world.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's not just Trump supporters.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's, like, people on the left who do, who post a lot of stuff.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_02: Did, um...
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_02: Is there anything you can tell me about what the lawyer said
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_02: when he said you shouldn't comment more?
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I just put that comment out or that statement this morning.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: And that was kind of it.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_02: The lawyer has told you to do that?
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: And you're back in Portland now?
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_02: You're an ardent?
• 10:44
  Yeah.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_02: What do you...
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_02: What do you, like, take from this whole experience?
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like, just,
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_02: because you, well,
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_02: first of all,
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_02: how did,
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_02: it's interesting to me that Nick was the first person to post the audio, right?
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: Right, because the gift of it, you could get a larger audio and you could get a larger poll.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_02: So did he pitch you that you should give him the audio to post?
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I sent it to him without him even knowing.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_02: Without him even knowing what?
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, I just sent it to him, I was like, hey, what do you think of this?
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_02: And then he posted it?
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, I talked to him.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, a couple of times, yeah.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_02: So you weren't surprised by him posting it.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_02: He said he was going to post it.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, correct.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: If you could do it.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: If I had to do it, like,
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_01: obviously that's not the same situation, but I'm
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: like mixing my shake right now.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_02: I would say there would be a different rollout.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the situation with anything else.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: It was something, I mean, Who knows?
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: If we had another political story, I probably wouldn't be in the position I'm in right now.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_02: The position you're in now meaning what?
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm meaning death threats.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm afraid to look at my inbox on X.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's always a request.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to look at them, so.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's basically it.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: Just, you know, um, it,
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: you know, again,
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think I've told you for,
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not a journalist, so I don't know, like, you know, check your sources.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: I just like, oh shit, this is big.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna run with it.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_02: Well, what do you think,
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: what do you think happened with the woman who said that,
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: yeah, he was discharged if you had to guess?
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_02: Cause like it appears now that was not accurate information.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: I don't, I don't, I honestly, I don't know.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I just,
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: when I heard,
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: when I said James
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_02: Tallarico,
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_02: and she like,
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: it registered in her head,
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: and I don't think she even knows, well,
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: she does now, but at that time, I don't think she even knew who James Tallarico is.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's still the mystery why she said,
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: because she said that name right there, so I don't say I don't know at this point.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, she could be, she's old.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it would have been a mistake.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that,
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_02: I think maybe she thought,
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_02: I can't find this guy,
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: I'll just tell him,
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: he's not a patient here,
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'll just tell this guy on the phone,
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_02: the cousin,
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_02: he was
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: just...
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: She had other ample opportunities to just hang up or get rid of me or,
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: you know, push me to the side and say, I don't want to deal with you anymore.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_02: Could you, I, I, I, you, you have been honest in our interactions and I appreciate that.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_02: Could you send me a screenshot just of that 1500 check just so I can,
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'm, I am curious about the money side of that.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_02: If you're willing to share that.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, the, on that?
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_02: I don't, I don't need any personal info.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_02: You can black out whenever you want.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_02: I just want to see the amount of the dates.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_02: What would you say if, like,
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_02: if a James Salarico family member,
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_02: if that was one of the people in their inbox and they were like,
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_02: you spread this damaging rumor about my, I don't know, brother, father, whatever?
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, they contact me?
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_02: If they did, yeah.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I have to probably at this point, I have to learn.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but what do you feel like as a human being,
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_02: if lawyers weren't involved, how would you respond to that?
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would probably apologize.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: I
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: mean,
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: you know, I would say I take, you know, full responsibility, but yeah,
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was more out of my depth and like how this blew up or how it was released
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: and how it, you know, because I don't have any media training.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, I, yeah,
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't, when I,
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: obviously when I,
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: when I got posted,
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't think what was, what was going to happen next was going to happen.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: I, you know, I don't know if anybody said, so.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think, yeah, And then just because people were yelling at you about this,
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: what was the deal with the video game clip and the reference to Somalis
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_02: and Ilhan Omar?
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: What was that about?
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, to support him?
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I never mentioned Ilhan Omar.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: But people were claiming you were making a violent threat.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: You're saying you weren't?
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: It was a video game that just got released.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: I do troll, yeah.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone trolls is 2026.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_02: The only other thing that jumped out at me was
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: after you said your lawyer told you not to talk about this stuff,
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_02: you posted that image of Tallarico with a drag queen.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: Are you at all worried about future legal issues?
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: You mean the meme?
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: No, I think that was after, or that was before.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was after,
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_02: but are you worried that, like, posting fake images could get you in more trouble?
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well, if I say that they're real, yeah, I mean,
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: as it said,
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you read it,
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: it said allegedly these are not being confirmed or verified.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: Gotcha.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_02: So you think that that'll shield you from defamation?
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't know.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not supposed to,
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to post anything,
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: like anything that would,
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: other than like,
• 17:04
  I don't know,
• 17:05
  like whatever the debate,
• 17:06
  or last night,
• 17:08
  just like straight,
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: nothing that could potentially give me any hot water, like, you know, I don't know.
• 17:16
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• 17:17
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• 17:25
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• 17:27
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• 17:28
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• 17:29
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