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Sean O'Connell Show with James Peterson - 10-15-26 - Full POD · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 3: You are tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show here on
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  Speaker 3: is in Chicago calling some PFL fights. So you got me,
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  Speaker 3: James Peterson, sitting in the air chair. 4OC today. Tyson
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  Speaker 3: Whiting behind the glass producing the show today in my spot.
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  Speaker 3: So got excited to do this with you. Got a
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  Speaker 3: incredibly fun show lined up for you. We're going to
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  Speaker 3: talk with Gordy Chiesa for an hour in studio. We
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  Speaker 3: don't usually do that during football season, but we got
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  Speaker 3: some extra time today. So we're going to do an
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  Speaker 3: hour with Gordy in studio at 1130. Going until 1230.
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  Speaker 3: Daily Dump, of course, at 1230, 1 o'clock. We will
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  Speaker 3: replay Dishin' with Dev. This is usually the day that
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  Speaker 3: we air Dishin' with Devin. As everyone knows, Thursdays at 1.
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  Speaker 3: But because of some wonky schedules, it's fall break up
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  Speaker 3: on the hill. And for most of the school districts
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  Speaker 3: around here, public schools and whatnot, So Devin had to
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  Speaker 3: do it live yesterday. So we're going to replay that
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  Speaker 3: today instead of bringing it to you for the first time.
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  Speaker 3: That's going to be at one o'clock and we've got
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  Speaker 3: a Thursday night football preview for you. It's a Seahawks
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  Speaker 3: road game. We are now your home of the Seahawks
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  Speaker 3: here on Utah's number one sports talk. So we've got
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  Speaker 3: that game for you. The Seahawks home radio call. That's
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  Speaker 3: at 6 o'clock. They're playing the Broncos. You can hear
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  Speaker 3: the home Broncos call also on Utah's ESPN radio network
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  Speaker 3: over on the sister station, 103.9 and 98.3 ESPN, The Fan.
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  Speaker 2: So you've got.
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  Speaker 3: Both home calls you can choose from here on the
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  Speaker 3: same network, here on the home of the Seahawks or
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  Speaker 3: over on ESPN, The Fan, the home of the Broncos.
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  Speaker 3: So that's exciting. We'll give you a preview of that today.
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  Speaker 3: The Mammoth are in action. Tyson Whiting, the producer, you
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  Speaker 3: guys know he was the longtime voice of the Grizzlies,
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  Speaker 3: so he'll give us plenty of hockey knowledge. We'll break
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  Speaker 3: that game down as well for you. They're taking on
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  Speaker 3: the Oilers tonight. And, yeah, that's the show today. You
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  Speaker 3: can always text in like OC likes to do. I
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  Speaker 3: want to keep it going.
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  Speaker 2: Text in 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 3: Any thoughts you have, Utah football thoughts, you're a Seahawks fan,
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  Speaker 3: Broncos fan. They're both in action playing each other tonight,
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  Speaker 3: of course, as I said. So bring those in for me.
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  Speaker 3: If you're one of our BYU fans, we've got our
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  Speaker 3: resident BYU fan, Darren, and then the other BYU fan
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  Speaker 3: who listens to the show, as we affectionately call him.
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  Speaker 3: We've got at least two of you out there. If
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  Speaker 3: you've got thoughts on BYU Notre Dame, the celebrity guest
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  Speaker 3: picker has been announced.
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  Speaker 2: Tyson.
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  Speaker 4: Tyson.
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  Speaker 3: And Tyson, I know you are a BYU fan too.
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  Speaker 3: So Steve Young, celebrity guest picker, feels like right on
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  Speaker 3: the nose. But there's nothing wrong with bringing back the
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  Speaker 3: program legend, maybe the most famous BYU football alum.
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  Speaker 5: It felt like the obvious choice, although Steve Young doesn't
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  Speaker 5: work for ESPN anymore, so there was a thought of
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  Speaker 5: would Steve Young agree to do it. My thought was
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  Speaker 5: maybe Fred Warner if the 49ers would let him out
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  Speaker 5: of practice because San Francisco's got a Monday night.
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  Speaker 6: Game on ESPN. So maybe a little promotion of that.
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  Speaker 5: If it wasn't going to be a sports guy, I
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  Speaker 5: was thinking maybe Benson Boone would have been a good choice.
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  Speaker 5: But you can never go wrong with Hall of Famer
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  Speaker 5: Steve Young.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Benson Boone is a sneaky great guess by you.
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  Speaker 3: If they were going to go local celebrity instead of...
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  Speaker 3: Former BYU athlete, football player.
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  Speaker 5: Seems like they like to go with musicians every now
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  Speaker 5: and then, especially those country musicians on those SEC games.
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  Speaker 5: And so I thought Benson Boone would have been a
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  Speaker 5: good choice. But, you know, lefty Steve Young would certainly
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  Speaker 5: be a great one is after all, you know, he's
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  Speaker 5: a three time Super Bowl champion. And a two-time MVP,
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  Speaker 5: and so you can never go wrong with Steve Young.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know, is Benson a BYU fan?
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  Speaker 3: If he is, he'd probably say, Notre Dame, please don't
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  Speaker 3: take the beautiful things I got, right?
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  Speaker 2: He'd probably drop that line on them.
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  Speaker 5: He dropped a few lines. He's got a few good
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  Speaker 5: hits these days. I think he went to, like, BYU-Idaho,
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  Speaker 5: did Benson Boone. Okay, so he might be a BYU fan.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't go to BYU at Provo, but, you know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe a BYU football fan.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see.
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  Speaker 3: I had not even considered Benson Boone when you told
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  Speaker 3: me pre-show that you were thinking that might be the
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  Speaker 3: way to go. I'm like, oh man, that's a good
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  Speaker 3: guess for a former football player. They go with Steve
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  Speaker 3: Young instead. He was on McAfee talking about that just
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  Speaker 3: a little bit ago.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's when they actually broke the news that
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  Speaker 5: he was going to be the celebrity guest picker on McAfee.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. It was around 10-15 or so.
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  Speaker 2: Steve Young.
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  Speaker 3: We were talking about this, too. He's doing like a
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  Speaker 3: wet hair, slick back look now, I guess. I hadn't
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  Speaker 3: seen that from him before.
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  Speaker 5: He had kind of curly hair when he was a player,
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  Speaker 5: and I think he's just happy he still has hair. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: so he's going with a different look, or at least
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  Speaker 5: he did today on McAfee.
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  Speaker 2: So that's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Exciting to have Steve Young back in Utah. He'll be
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  Speaker 3: the celebrity guest picker on Saturday for game day ahead
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  Speaker 3: of No. 8 BYU hosting No. 2.
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  Speaker 2: Notre Dame.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get into that game a little bit here in
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  Speaker 3: the opening segment as well. But, of course, I want
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  Speaker 3: to start out with Utah football. My question to you
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  Speaker 3: guys out listening, the listeners, and Tyson, you can chime
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  Speaker 3: in on this too, is what do you need to
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  Speaker 3: see from Utah against Colorado on Saturday? And the reason
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  Speaker 3: I ask that question is this kind of, even though
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  Speaker 3: it's a conference game and obviously a power four opponent, Tyson,
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  Speaker 3: it kind of feels like because Colorado seems to be
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  Speaker 3: so vastly inferior to Utah on paper and the way
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  Speaker 3: that obviously Utah has been able to execute 11 straight
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  Speaker 3: 30 point games. The last one, by the way, that
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  Speaker 3: they did not score 30, you know, which game that
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  Speaker 3: was where a lot of you thought should have kicked
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  Speaker 3: a couple more field goals, right? I'm with you guys
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  Speaker 3: on that one. Um, The Holy war game was the
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  Speaker 3: last one that Utah failed to score 30 points in.
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  Speaker 3: It's been 11 straight since that game. Actually in a
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  Speaker 3: couple of days, it's the one year anniversary of that game.
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  Speaker 3: So about this time last year is the last time
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  Speaker 3: Utah failed to score 30 points in a game. So
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  Speaker 3: they're executing obviously way better than Colorado is undefeated. Colorado's not,
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  Speaker 3: they got handful of losses here. They're just vastly inferior
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  Speaker 3: to Utah, right, Tyson? So that's why I ask. It
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  Speaker 3: almost sounds like a question that we ask when Utah's
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  Speaker 3: playing or BYU's playing an FCS opponent before the Idaho game,
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  Speaker 3: for BYU before the Utah Tech game, which feels disrespectful
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  Speaker 3: to Colorado. It's in Boulder, for crying out loud. But also,
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  Speaker 3: is that not the kind of game we're looking at
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  Speaker 3: here where it's like, of course you want... You're looking
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  Speaker 3: for Utah to win, ultimately. You're looking for them to
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  Speaker 3: win big. Besides that, what specifically, 877-353-0700, are there some
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  Speaker 3: bugaboos that you've seen Utah on the offense or defensive
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  Speaker 3: end that you're like, I would like them to use
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  Speaker 3: this game to get that right? Are there other specific
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  Speaker 3: things you're looking for Utah to do against Colorado besides
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  Speaker 3: the obvious, win the game and win big.
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  Speaker 2: Tyson, what do you think about this one?
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  Speaker 5: I think with Utah, they've had a lot of success
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  Speaker 5: early in games, a lot of touchdowns in the first
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  Speaker 5: drive of games. I think what you want to do
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  Speaker 5: is you want the first two offensive possessions, just take
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  Speaker 5: the ball, get it right down the field, and make
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  Speaker 5: Colorado play catch up the whole game because Colorado has
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  Speaker 5: really struggled on the offensive side of things. However, outside
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  Speaker 5: of the Northwestern game and maybe the fourth quarter against
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  Speaker 5: Texas Tech, Colorado's defense has actually not been that bad.
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  Speaker 5: you know, their weakness a few years ago was the
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  Speaker 5: defensive side of the ball. Colorado's actually built a pretty
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  Speaker 5: decent defense. And so it's going to be big for
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  Speaker 5: Utah to score early, make Colorado play catch up and
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  Speaker 5: really see if he can rattle Isaac Wilson. The big
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  Speaker 5: thing about this matchup is the Utah coaching staff knows
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  Speaker 5: Isaac Wilson inside.
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  Speaker 6: And out, and they know that they can rattle him
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  Speaker 6: and get him flustered.
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  Speaker 5: So get off to an early lead and then fluster
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  Speaker 5: Isaac Wilson, forcing him to make some mistakes and see
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  Speaker 5: if he can get Isaac Wilson pulled. And then, uh,
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  Speaker 5: you know, get a big lead at halftime and just
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  Speaker 5: kind of cruise from there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: And the good news is for Utah, when it, in
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  Speaker 3: that regard, it's just do what you've been doing. Score early,
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  Speaker 3: score a lot early, right? They've already shown the ability
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  Speaker 3: to do that this year. That's one of the things
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  Speaker 3: that I agree with you is going to be key
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  Speaker 3: in every game. And this game is no different, but
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  Speaker 3: they've already shown that, Hey, We're already really good at
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  Speaker 3: doing that. So I don't I don't think there's much
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  Speaker 3: doubt that they'll be able to do that again, even
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  Speaker 3: though you did say this is an improved defense for Colorado.
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  Speaker 3: If there's a strength to this team, it is their defense.
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  Speaker 3: But even saying that OC broke it down yesterday, they're
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  Speaker 3: like middle. to kind of middle to, uh, kind of
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  Speaker 3: behind in the pack in the Big 12. They're like
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  Speaker 3: 9th or 10th in total defense. So even though it's improved,
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  Speaker 3: it's not like this is a defense that can't be exploited.
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  Speaker 5: They had a really bad game against Northwestern, although Northwestern,
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  Speaker 5: as it's turned out, might be a decent team this year.
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  Speaker 6: It looks like they're a well-improved club. It's true.
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  Speaker 5: Colorado won with defense against Georgia Tech in the season
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  Speaker 5: opener and for about three quarters looked like they were
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  Speaker 5: right in there with Texas Tech, a team that's obviously
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  Speaker 5: competing for the Big 12 championship. And so Colorado probably
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  Speaker 5: has some hope that if they can play defense, get
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  Speaker 5: some stops early, they can maybe build some confidence from there.
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  Speaker 5: And that's why I think for Utah, it's important. Those
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  Speaker 5: first two offensive drives, take the ball down the field
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  Speaker 5: and see if you can make Colorado quit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, get in the end zone. I like that point
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  Speaker 2: by you.
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  Speaker 3: Again, getting started early, scoring touchdowns early in your first
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  Speaker 3: couple possessions, getting 14 to 21 points in the first quarter,
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  Speaker 3: huge against Atlanta. any team Colorado, no different. The first
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  Speaker 3: big 12 road game, by the way, that's where Utah
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  Speaker 3: has been dominant this year. I mean, it seems like
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  Speaker 3: the second big 12 road game, you get those.
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  Speaker 5: Joined in progress games where the previous game runs late
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  Speaker 5: and you know, they, they come, they come in, you know,
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  Speaker 5: they come in hot there for the bride, the TV
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  Speaker 5: broadcast and Utah has already.
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  Speaker 6: Got seven or 14 points on the board.
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  Speaker 2: It's true. It's true.
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  Speaker 3: What I would, what I think is important for them
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  Speaker 3: to do. And it, It's closely related to what you're saying, Tyson,
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  Speaker 3: except to me, I'm almost like assuming that they're going
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  Speaker 3: to get off to a hot start, so I'm not
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  Speaker 3: feeling like that's something for me that needs to be
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  Speaker 3: highlighted on its own. What it is for me is
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  Speaker 3: staying consistent offensively throughout the game. If you're going to
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  Speaker 3: have a whole third quarter which we've seen in that
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  Speaker 3: quarter in particular this year being tough for Utah. Last
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  Speaker 3: game against Kansas, it was the second quarter, the end
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  Speaker 3: of the second quarter, that was like, whoa, there's a
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  Speaker 3: lull here offensively. First time all season that that's kind
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  Speaker 3: of happened in the first half for Utah. They've had
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  Speaker 3: at least one of those per game where they go 7, 8, 10,
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  Speaker 3: 12 minutes of offense They're just being stifled offensively.
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  Speaker 2: And you've got to credit the opposing team's defenses.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe they figured out something that is slowing down Utah.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever the case may be, whether it's more Utah's fault
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  Speaker 3: or the other team just playing really good defense for
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  Speaker 3: stretches against this really good Utah offense, can't afford... maybe
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  Speaker 3: you can afford to do it in this game, but
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  Speaker 3: you can't afford to do it against next week against Houston,
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  Speaker 3: probably certainly not against BYU, certainly not against those caliber
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  Speaker 3: ranked opponents.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So this, I would love for this game to be
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  Speaker 3: an opportunity where they show that's the part.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things we're going to get, right.
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  Speaker 3: We are not going to have a long lull offensively
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  Speaker 3: to where we get, you know, three, four possessions in
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  Speaker 3: a row or three and out or a turnover and
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  Speaker 3: three and outs.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Some consistency in that regard on the offensive end. I
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  Speaker 3: think also defensively, it's been really good. Utah's defense has
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  Speaker 3: been really good, especially the scoring defense, which is the
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  Speaker 3: most important thing, right? Keep them out of the end zone.
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  Speaker 3: But it's been a lot more bend but don't break.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you agree with me on that, Tyson.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe those– out there on the text line eight seven
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  Speaker 3: seven three five three zero seven hundred to me it
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  Speaker 3: seemed like instead of a dominant stifling defense it's been
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  Speaker 3: more bend but don't break which is a little which
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  Speaker 3: is is not what we're accustomed to from from a
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  Speaker 3: morgan scali now colton swan um defense i'd like it
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  Speaker 3: just to be a little bit more dominant not give
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  Speaker 3: up so many last week it was passing yards right
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  Speaker 3: not had that the run defense has been much more
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  Speaker 3: improved it's especially compared to the end of last year.
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  Speaker 2: But continue that.
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  Speaker 3: Don't have some leaks in the run defense, which has
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  Speaker 3: happened from time to time this year. Thankfully, for the
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  Speaker 3: most part, they've been able to fix what ailed them
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  Speaker 3: at the end of last season in that regard. But
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  Speaker 3: that also means it's just been a little more leaky
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  Speaker 3: on the pass defense. Not quite enough. They've actually gotten
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  Speaker 3: a fair amount of total sacks and a fair amount
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  Speaker 3: of interceptions Tyson, but what we haven't seen is like,
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  Speaker 3: we obviously hadn't seen a pick six.
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  Speaker 2: That streak is still in jeopardy. The 20, it would
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  Speaker 2: be 23 years.
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  Speaker 3: If they can, if they can make that happen this year,
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  Speaker 3: still plenty of time to do that, but we're still
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  Speaker 3: waiting for that first pick six, but also we haven't
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  Speaker 3: even seen one really long interception return, let alone a
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  Speaker 3: pick six Tyson. I just feels like the big plays
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  Speaker 3: by the defense have been lacking in a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: even though you look at the numbers and go, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: total sacks, pretty good. None of them are coming from
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  Speaker 3: the defensive ends though. It's been defensive tackles and linebackers.
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  Speaker 5: It's almost like you're just trying to avoid the big
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  Speaker 5: play on the, you know, giving up the big play.
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  Speaker 5: And so you kind of play a little bit passive
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  Speaker 5: and I'm not going to allow that 30 yard pass
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  Speaker 5: down the field. So I'll let you get that five
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  Speaker 5: or 10 yard pass in front of.
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  Speaker 3: Me, which has been a winning formula for them so far.
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  Speaker 3: And honestly, if you're going to play the whole, I
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  Speaker 3: got to give up something. So, I'm going to make
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  Speaker 3: sure I don't give up this. That's a good strategy, right?
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  Speaker 3: It's almost like we've seen in the NBA in recent years.
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  Speaker 3: Teams are like, we'll give you layups. We won't give
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  Speaker 3: you layups or three-pointers. You can have the mid-range. And
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  Speaker 3: in the playoffs, that's hurt teams. But in the regular season,
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  Speaker 3: that's been like the number one seeds in the NBA.
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  Speaker 3: Milwaukee Bucks, a few years ago now, they were famous
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  Speaker 3: for like, you have those mid-range.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to be terrible at shooting threes against us.
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  Speaker 3: And you're not going to get easy dunks and layups
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  Speaker 3: at the rim. And they were the number one seed
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  Speaker 3: for year in, year out for a few years there.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like that in football where what you're saying, hey,
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  Speaker 3: we're not going to give up the big play. You
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  Speaker 3: can dink and dunk all you want. Obviously, we're being
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  Speaker 3: greedy where it's like, just don't let them have anything, right?
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  Speaker 6: No yards for you. You get nothing.
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  Speaker 2: And that's obviously unrealistic.
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  Speaker 6: Against Colorado, that might be the case.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, Isaac Wilson's one of those guys that he's
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  Speaker 5: shown he can throw balls in there. It seemed like
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  Speaker 5: every time somebody played Brett Favre, they'd be like, well,
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  Speaker 5: he's going to give us some chances. He's going to
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  Speaker 5: give us three or four where if we catch him,
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  Speaker 5: we get interceptions and we can make big plays defensively.
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  Speaker 5: But Isaac Wilson, he threw an interception into his own
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  Speaker 5: end zone for a pick six that went, I think.
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  Speaker 6: Zero yards.
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  Speaker 5: I think we're going to see a more aggressive Utah
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  Speaker 5: defense kind of forcing Isaac Wilson to make good decisions
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  Speaker 5: because I think they're going to bank on him giving
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  Speaker 5: Utah a few free ones.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they might have the same approach. It's not like,
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  Speaker 3: unlike Kansas, Colorado doesn't have much of a run game, right? Kansas,
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  Speaker 3: that was their strength going into the Utah game, which
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  Speaker 3: is why they gave up more passing yards against Kansas,
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: because they were like, we want to make them throw.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: You heard Morgan Scali say that in his press conference,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: and I think on the coach's show this week. Colorado,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: you almost want to have the same mindset because you
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: know Isaac Wilson so well. You know, and we love
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Isaac still here, but I will say this. We know
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: that he's very flawed, right? It's the reason why he
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: was the third string quarterback last year when he was
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: still with the Utes and the reason why he probably decided, hey,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: I don't really have an opportunity because they got Devin
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: and Bird here because he's a flawed quarterback and Utah
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: can take advantage of of a flawed quarterback like that.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: That's a good point by you.
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: Here's a question.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: How quickly does Bill mention in the broadcast and how
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: much does the TV broadcast mention how quickly that Isaac
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: Wilson grew up a Utah fan? Considering that every time
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: Zach Wilson took the field for the first time at BYU,
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: they had to mention that he grew up a Utah fan.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Dad played for the program.
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: They're going to mention Isaac Wilson being a former Ute,
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: but they're going to mention that he grew up a
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: Utah fan as well.
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: His dad played at Utah and Zach Wilson.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Is in the NFL.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: It's the Matt Harpering played football of the, of college
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: of this college football.
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: Jake Murphy is Adele Murphy's son.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Wait, what?
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my, that's always my go-to is watching
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: growing up a jazz fan, watching a bunch of the
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: jazz local broadcasts is fuller. You know, when Matt Harpering
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: football player, Georgia tech, Hey, Matt Harpering, he plays like
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: a football.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Player, little Jerry, little Jerry. Um, Absolutely.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: And then speaking of Zach Wilson, the one that got
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: made fun of in the COVID season when he was incredible, got,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: you know, is the season that got him to be
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: the number two overall pick, which has not worked out
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: well in the NFL, of course, was the, hey, he's
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: being trained by John Beck.
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: Did you know that?
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Did you know that John Beck's working with him?
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: Had to make that long, long, long drive out to
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: see John Beck every weekend. Exactly.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Going to the text line, Cade. One of our regulars,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: we love you, Cade, texted in, consistency is my key
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: for both sides of the ball, all gas, no brakes.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: That's kind of the point I was making. Stay consistent.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Don't have long lulls where you're just not getting anything
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: done on the offensive end. There's been at least one
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: of those every game, it feels like, maybe besides the
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Idaho game. I'd like for them to get that right.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: In this game against Colorado too, Cade. Great text there.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Want to see zero injuries. This is the next texter, 1943.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Want to see zero injuries.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Injuries.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Have Devin play the first half, then let Bird take
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: over the second half. I mean, that is absolutely FCS
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: football treatment by 1943 there. I'm not sure that Utah's
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: going to have that kind of luxury against Colorado, but
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: that speaks to just the perception of just how inferior
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: the Buffaloes.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: Seem to be compared to the Utes, Tyson. And, you know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: I think we can make those statements. I think we
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: can think that way. The players can't, though, because I
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: think Morgan Scully is going to remind them that they
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: gave Texas Tech a pretty good test for about three quarters.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: And he's going to remind them that, hey, this is
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: the Colorado Buffaloes. This is not the Idaho Vandals. This
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: is not my Utah Tech Trailblazers.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: As Dan Hawkins, former Colorado coach, once said, it's the
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: Big 12 in any of their murals.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. And then fifty nine ninety five.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: I think it feels that way.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, let's see.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: They need he shot off a couple of texts in
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: a row here. They need three plus turnovers, especially with Isaac.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: He said Zach Wilson. But I know what you mean there.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Isaac Wilson playing. They know his tendencies. That's the point
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Tyson and I were just making. Good, good point by you.
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: And then.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: And then the follow-up is, I think it feels that
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: way because our D-line is not what it has been
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: in the past. Getting more pressure makes them more elite.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: I think you're responding to me saying it doesn't feel
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: like the defense has been as dominant, making as many
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: big plays this year. It's been more, from my perception,
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: more bend but don't break instead of just a dominant,
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: stifling defense. Great text by you. Thank you for sending
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: those in. Keep them coming, 877-353-0700. If we want to
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: make Tyson work a little bit more, you can call us, too, 877-353-0700. Oh,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: if I know how to work the phone machine here. Yeah,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: I'll help you out. Don't you worry about that.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: Utah, they're not getting as much of a pass rush,
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: but defensively, they've done an outstanding job stopping the run,
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: especially early in games. They're only allowing, what, 78.8 yards
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: rushing per game, which ranks in the top five nationally.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they really have. And OC made this great point,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: and this is the way that I think, too. You
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: can have the total defense stat, which is, of course,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: total yards per game given up. You can have the
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: total pass defense, total run defense, yards per game given
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: up in both those categories, respectively. For me, it's like,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: how many points are you giving up? And yes, you
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: don't want it to be, or no, you don't want
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: it to be Ben, but don't break all the time.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: You want it to be more dominant than that, but
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: honestly scoreboard, right? There's maybe some nitpicky things we can
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: point to is like, we'd like to have more of this.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: We'd like to be more dominant in these areas, but
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: you're giving up less. The most points you've given up
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: this season is last week against Kansas, 24 points. And
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: before that it was 17, right? Iowa State. And so
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: most of the games you're giving up 10 points or less.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: As long as you keep doing that, the defense is
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: playing well enough. We're spoiled because we're used to it
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: just being more dominant. And we're used to these ball hawks, RSNB, right?
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: In the secondary, getting more pick sixes. doing more with
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: the interceptions on an interception return than what we've seen,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: not just catching it and then getting tackled immediately or
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: catching you got some room but not able to shake
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: the defender in front of you to get a good
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: interception return. Instead, you get taken down pretty close to
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: after you caught the ball.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: We're spoiled. The point is you're getting those turnovers. And
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: you're keeping the points off the board.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: If they continue, if that's what we continue to see,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: and we don't see these, these get right things that were,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: that were pointed out here, you still got to feel
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: really good.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: It's just, we want to feel better than really good, right? Tyson.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: We want to feel, we want to feel.
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: Like this team's going to win 77 and nothing.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: And we on college football, you've, you want style points
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: because after all, you're still your playoff fade.
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: If you don't win, the conference is going to be
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: judged on a committee.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: It's, it's completely subjective. It's true.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: And talking about these things that we'd like to see
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Utah get better at against an inferior opponent like Colorado
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: this week leads me into my next point here. What
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: I took away from a crazy college football Saturday this
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: last week, Tyson, including Utah's game, is just that almost
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: every team is flawed.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Almost every good team....
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Is somewhat, not fatally flawed, obviously. These guys got one
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: loss or they're undefeated. Utah's undefeated. It's not fatal flaws,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: but it's pretty significantly flawed in some ways, right? Texas
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: was not a great number one overall team. Oklahoma proved
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: that in the Red River rivalry game. Arch Manning, he
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: had way too many turnovers. Oklahoma took advantage of that
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: and upset Texas. they even, they didn't even look very
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: good in the game when they upset my Buckeyes.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: And it was only barely an upset. It was number
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: one versus number four, but still they, they looked pretty
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: bad in that game until the Buckeyes let them come
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: back with an incredible fourth quarter.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: But even it's not like they scored, they won 24,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: 23 Tyson.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: It's not like they, they put up 35 to 40
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: points and just completely dismantled the Buckeyes.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: So it, A flawed number one team, they're not number
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: one anymore.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: Well, I think in this era of NIL and of
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: the transfer portal, teams aren't going to be as deep
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: as they used to be. So when teams start getting injuries,
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: and even guys that you probably would have as backups,
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: they're starting elsewhere. And so teams aren't as deep as
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: they used to be. And teams aren't as complete as
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: they used to be. And so I think you're probably
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: seeing the middle class of college football be a little
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: bit better, but I think you're seeing less dominant top
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: teams because they're just not as deep as it used
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: to be.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: It's a great point by you.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: And speaking of Ohio state for anyone that's like, Oh,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: this guy's just panning the team that beat them because
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: he wants Ohio state to, to feel better about how
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: state now, like they're also very flawed.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: They blew it. They blew it.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: They blew a 20 point lead in the fourth quarter
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: against a flawed Texas squad. And honestly, the defense has
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: been really good, but they, it, The it's been such
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: a strength. It's been like the best defense in college
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: football the last three or four years this year. They're
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: giving up a touchdown or so more against inferior teams
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: than they've done in the last couple of years. So
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: they've got some warts. BYU's warts right now is is
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: significant injuries.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: L.J.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Martin's out for another few weeks.
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: They.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: They. Got it done.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Bear Bachmeier was awesome against Iowa State, but it wasn't
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: a dominant performance by BYU against the inferior Iowa State team.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Ole Miss got destroyed by Florida. They're a top 10
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: team still. They got destroyed by Florida. Barely beat a
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: three loss Louisville team like they got some warts. Texas
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Tech's offense just looks okay. Just kind of like last year, right?
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Same kind of story as last year.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: We're seeing exactly why Texas Tech tried so hard to
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: make sure that Brendan Swords was eligible because they knew
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: what they had.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: And then we talked about the things that are not
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: ideal about Utah already. We'll talk more college football as
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: the show goes along. Tyson and I filling in for
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: OC today on the Sean O'Connell show. But up next,
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: real treat, we got Gordy in studio, which has not
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: been a college football time segment over the last couple
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: of years. So it's really excited to have an hour
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: with Gordy next on the Sean O'Connell show on Utah's
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: number one sports talk in your home of the Utes ESPN, 792,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: one FM.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: What the matter with your hair?
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: Peace out.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiesa. He's forgotten more about the
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: NBA than any of us will ever know.
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: Let's not get crazy.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Come for the hoops talk. Stay for his list of
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the day.
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: My list today.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Here's OC with basketball savant Gordy Chiesa on the Sean
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: O'Connell Show.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: All right, no OC today, but Gordy Chiesa is here
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: in studio.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: James Peterson filling in for OC. He's in Chicago.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Calling some pfl fights maybe we catch up with him
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: tomorrow maybe air some grievances with him tomorrow we'll see
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: if he's available but right now you heard the big
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: voice guys say gordy chiesa in studio live on youtube
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: at espn 700 sports utah you can see all of
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: his all of his papers spread out bevy of information
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: as we talk utah jazz and nba for the next
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: hour here gordy So excited to do this with you.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: How are you doing?
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: I am doing well, James. Thank you. Thanks for the invite.
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: It's our 10th season together, all of us here in
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: the studio, and we're excited for the NBA season and
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: also the NFL and also, James, for all the fans
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: around the state, including BYU and Notre Dame.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Game day in town. And the big news on that,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you heard, Gordy, Steve Young. coming
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: back to town to be the celebrity guest picker.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: Oh, sure.
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: Absolutely.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: For game day.
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: You know, one time, James, I went to the game
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: one time, BYU, Notre Dame, back in 2004.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I was invited.
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: I was there. I was sitting there at the game.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Was that in Provo?
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: In Provo.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: Yes, I went to the game.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: That's the last time Notre Dame's come to Provo.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: Okay, Gene.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I was there.
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: I was there. And I remember I met the president
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: of BYU. And he was a jazz fan. And so
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: we're some sort of event tent. I'm not sure I
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: got invited. So it sounds like I'm skeptical here. I
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: somehow got invited. Yeah. Who knows how, but they invited me.
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: So I went to the game. And I remember talking-
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: to the BYU people, and BYU won.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was back when you were still on
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: the bench, coaching with Jerry Sloan.
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: That's right, back in 2004. I coached with Jerry from 1989.
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: We came together in 89. I left in 2005 to
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: go to the Nets, and Jerry left coaching in 2011,
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: and Tyrone Corbin followed him.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Was Bobby Marks with the Nets at that time?
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: Yes, he was. Yes, he was. Bobby Marks is with us,
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: and Bobby Marks listens right now, Bobby Marks works for ESPN,
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: the national affiliate, and does a great job in-house as
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: far as front office. That guy knows every nuance of
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: the salary cap. James, you and I, we know the
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: basic parts of it. These people know all of it.
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: The nuances, like anything. Here's the question of professional sports.
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: How do you develop a roster within the framework of
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: the salary cap slash luxury tax?
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: He knows everything.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: We know that aprons are involved. He knows exactly what
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: that means. And he also knows how to avoid doing
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: what Steve Ballmer and the Clippers did. He knows the
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: sour cap circumvention rules and what lines not to cross.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: So he knows it. down to those minute details.
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: Oh, very much. Also, you mentioned the word apron. See,
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: guys like me, apron to me is like a barbecue.
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: You have an apron at barbecue.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Or in the kitchen.
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: In the kitchen, yeah. But Bobby Marks type people, because
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: they're much smaller than we are, is that they know
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: the apron.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: It's the first apron and second apron. And before that,
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: it's a salary cap. And it sounds to everyday folk,
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: it sounds very confusing. And it is somewhat. However, when
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: you get it right, it's magical because the question is,
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: You could be a wonderful team, but if you have injuries,
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: is your roster good enough to fight through adversity? Because
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: we know in the NFL and also in the NBA,
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: it's a battle, James, of attrition.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: Attrition. where suddenly you're in basketball, your 10th man is
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: now your 7th man on a road trip in the
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: middle of January, and he plays well and outplays the
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: starting small fold of the other guys. Suddenly on a
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: road trip, you go 4-1 versus what? 1-4.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, and there's a significant jazz injury. You've already talked
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: about it with OC. I want to get into it
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: with you as well. Before we do that, I want
• 32:45
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• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Get there.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: And Tyson, we talked so much college football in the
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: first segment. We failed to mention that there is an
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: ALCS game happening right now in Cleveland. Guardians and Rays,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: that series is tied at one apiece. It's a pivotal game.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Did the Guardians just score, by the way? Is that
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: what I'm seeing, Tyson?
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: Looks like Nathaniel Lowe just hit an RBI double bottom
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: of the second inning. Cleveland now leads Tampa 1-0.
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: 1-0.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Former Jazz man Gordy Donovan Mitchell in attendance. He was
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: on the field. You saw him on the TBS radio.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Pre-game show, getting interviewed. He probably threw out the first
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: pitch or something in his Cleveland Guardians gear.
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: He's a baseball guy because of his dad.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: His dad played for the Mets and worked for the Mets.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Still a Mets fan, but he plays in Cleveland now.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: He's doing the right thing, repping the hometown city, trying
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: to be that community advocate.
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: Very much. But speaking of your rep, James, I live
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: in a neighborhood where there's so many Dodgers fans. And foolishly,
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: I was talking to them this morning.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Foolishly.
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: They're about to get swept. Exactly right. It's dangerous by you.
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: You're exactly right, James. I was trying to give them
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: encouragement because I'm a man of the people.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: But these people, Dodger fans, some of them that I know,
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: that they lost their bravado.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: Two-time defending champion. We're going to three-peat.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: Every great player in the league, it seems like, whether
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: it's a pitcher or a hitter or a fielder, two
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: on that team.
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: So getting back to Judge. So, James, segue, part of
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: it is that with the Jazz is that we mentioned
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: about the Sally Cap roster, a great thing. It's a
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: thing called chemistry. So you can never equate chemistry towards
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: having knockout talent. Now, you need talent to win. In
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: the NBA and also in the NFL. Yes, talent rules.
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: But within that talent, if you don't have a roster
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: that plays together with connectivity in any sport, the chances
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: are winning greatly as far as getting to one, getting
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: to the playoffs, two, advancing the playoffs, and then three,
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: get to the promised land, a gate to heaven, meaning what?
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: NBA or NFL Super Bowl champions. And that's where it
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: gets so interesting. You can pay a whole bunch of
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: money for a lot of players But if they don't
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: play together and there's an element of fun when they
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: play slash respect, that's what gets interesting.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: It absolutely does. I'm old enough, Gordy, and I know
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: you are too.
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: Old enough.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: You're young.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: To remember that the Yankees were the Dodgers, the way
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: the Dodgers are now. It's like, oh, my gosh, they
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: got another all-star? Hate that. That's the way that anyone
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: who's not a Dodgers fan reacts any time they sign
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: or trade for a great player.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: They're down 3-0, though, even with all that talent down 3-0.
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: Very much.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: You're exactly right about the chemistry thing. And you're exactly
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: right about what we were talking about before we got
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: on that baseball tangent.
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: This is weird. He keeps telling me exactly right. I
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: wish my wife was listening. I wish she was listening.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Nancy, are you taking notes?
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Come on.
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: James, thank you so much.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: A lot of you, by the way.
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: I'm getting confidence here.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: No, but you're right about this, too, Gordy, before we
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: got on that baseball playoffs tangent about how, Roster construction
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: has just as much to do about making sure you
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: have good depth as you have great stars and great
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: starting lineup and great players to begin games and get
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: you close out games. And the Jazz are going to
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: find out just how much depth that they have. I'm
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: not sure they have enough at the center position, Gordy.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: I was feeling that way after they traded Walker Kessler,
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: of course, even with bringing back Yusuf Nurkic. After that,
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: I did not like what they did to shore up
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: the backup center position. Jackson Hayes, their best player that
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: they got this offseason at that position. And now, Yusuf Nurkic,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: is he out four weeks?
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Is that right, Gordy?
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: Yes, he's out.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: They're going to find out just how big a hole
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: they have with Jackson Hayes as their starting center, probably.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: That's who it's been in the preseason, if I'm not mistaken.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Rather than having a healthy Yusuf Nurkic.
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: Very much. Yusuf Nurkic, for the listeners, is that he'll
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: come back roughly, I'm guesstimating, November 20th of this year.
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: So he'll miss roughly between 14 to 16 games.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Could be much worse. Like, that's only a month.
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: A month, yeah.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: And there's like six months in the season. So, Jazz,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: there's plenty of time to overcome this. I just wonder
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: how big a hole they're going to dig. They're going
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: to have to dig out of, with Jackson Hayes as
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: their starting center, I'll do respect.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: But add to that though, but the jazz got a good, uh,
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: early schedule where the jazz first, um, six wrestling games,
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: fire at home. So the jazz have a chance to
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: start out very, very well. They're getting back to use
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: of Nurgage. The Bosnian bully is that he has a
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: plantar fasciitis, uh, tear on his, um, second toe of
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: his right foot. And again, it, Us normals, if we
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: had a soft foot, we'd be able to rest it
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: for a few weeks and we'd feel better. But when
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: you're a basketball player, and by the way, when you're 6'11, 295,
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: 290 pounds, there's so much stress on the lower part
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: of your body. So that's why the Jazz are using
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: good judgment by the doctors to get it healed properly
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: and to be able to go. All right, so the Jazz,
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: as far as James is alluding to about the Senate position,
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: Jackson Hayes has a bouncy game, but he's not physical.
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: Mo Bamba's got a shot-blocking ability, but he can't score
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: on his own, which we call then he's a recipient scorer.
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: He needs help to score, either dribble drive to the penetration,
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: lob pass and short corner spacing, offensive rebounding, broken play scoring.
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: But you can't go to him as far as in
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: the mid-block to score or face-up jump shot. All right,
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: so now Jaron Jackson, part of the equation. He's a
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: finesse big. Hey, we love him outside. He can make
• 38:57
  Speaker 7: three-point shots, and he's a highly skilled big guy. But
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: he doesn't rebound his position. He only averages 5.1 rebounds
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: per game. And so in this Jazz lineup, without the
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: Bosnian Beast, you need him to rebound more. Larry Malkin
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: got hops. He got some serious hops. All right. But
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: he's a finesse rebounder. So it's almost like the two
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: guys that are going to have to rebound, they're both finesse.
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: They've got to be more gritty in the present tense.
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: And then with Jackson Hayes and with... Mo Bamba, as
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: far as giving one start, one reliever, is that they've
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: got to almost overachieve offensively to make it work. Last
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: point about rebounding. Besides effort and tenacity, you need what? Technique.
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: So the Jazz, though, the Jazz perimeter guys have James
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: have to rebound down, which means that so suddenly... Keontae George,
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: Darren Peterson, Ace Bailey, who's got talent, certainly, Isaiah Collier,
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: Josh Green, Steve Mihailuk, who should play a lot, is
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: that those guys, they can't watch and stare. They're going
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: to get involved in a mix. So they've got to
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: rebound down to help out the big guys in the game.
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: Will they do it? Let's find out.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: If you've got a question for Gordie, by the way, 877-353-0700.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: We got him for.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: The next forty five minutes here in studio so go
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: ahead and send that in eight seven seven three five
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: three zero seven hundred jazz nba whatever kind of question
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: you got for gordy chiesa i'll try to read it
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: off for you here as we discuss uh... some basketball
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: with our basketball guru guru here in studio one other
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: thing when it comes to roster construction gordy this one
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: kind of snuck up on me the rookie extension deadline
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: is monday so Got a few days until then, and
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: thankfully the Jazz extended.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Their main.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Guy who they wanted to give an extension to. That's
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Keontae George, who's in this rookie class eligible for an extension.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Thankfully they got that done. So there's only one other
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: guy from that class. They traded away Taylor Hendricks to
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: get Jaron Jackson Jr., so that leaves Bryce Sensabaugh, who
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: was a first-round pick of that 2023 draft. So that's
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: the question. Do you think the Jazz will extend Bryce Sensabaugh,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: or do you think they'll let him enter free agency?
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: And in your opinion, I want to give your opinion, too.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Should they extend him, or should they just wait until
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: he's a restricted free agent? What do you think they
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: should do with Bryce Sensabaugh before Monday?
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: Wait. I'd wait. Yeah, just wait. They like him. He's
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: a good shooter. He plays hard. That's commendable. But I'd
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: just wait because he has very little leverage as far
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: as in the big picture of the NBA. But the
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: Jazz like him. He's homegrown. He's a 28th pick in
• 41:52
  Speaker 7: a draft. You feel you have good moments with him
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: as far as coming off the bench. So he can
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: play in the NBA. But I just wait because a
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: lot of times you might need his skill set as
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: far as in a trade later on. this in February.
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: It's possible because he does have value. And if he
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: overachieves right now this year, which is wonderful, the Jets
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: are successful, then he's a restricted free agent, then you
• 42:20
  Speaker 7: can reassess then as far as by giving him the
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: qualifier offer, then wait to sell him bids on him.
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: Then if a worse scenario, next July, where he had
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: a great season and he has a contract as far
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: as other teams, then try to sign and trade him
• 42:36
  Speaker 7: to get value for him. So I just wait, even
• 42:40
  Speaker 7: though I do like him as a player. I'm talking
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: more the business side of it right now.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it also sounds like, Gordy, based on that
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: opinion that you have, I think we share this one.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: I think we both like him as a player. we
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: both see how he could contribute to a team that's
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: trying to contend for a champion championship, especially in that
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: like microwave six, seventh man guy off the bench, instant offense,
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: whatever number he is off the bench, he's instant offense.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Whenever he's out there, you can absolutely picture that on
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: a team that's trying to win, which the jazz we
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: assume are starting this year.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: But all that being said, he also feels like he's
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: more of an, end of the rotation guy and so
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: for that reason it does feel more prudent to go
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: the route that you're talking about let's wait and see
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: let's see how he develops this year maybe he's a
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: guy who's gonna who's gonna prove hey no i am
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: be i am towards the beginning at the start of
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: the top of the rotation here as a bench player
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: or as a fringe starter not towards the end of
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: the rotation and if he does that then you absolutely
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: want to bring him back in a long-term deal More likely,
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: he kind of stays the same, and maybe then you're
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: thinking more about, hey, let's look at some salary cap
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: flexibility for him. Let's look at some, can he be
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: used in a trade? If he were a player that
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: is obviously a lot better than he's shown, we probably
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be thinking that way about him, right?
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, correct.
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, also, part of it is getting playing time.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: So James alluding to, again, the– ninth man of a
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: team versus the seventh man. So the better teams get
• 44:28
  Speaker 7: the contracts correct towards winning, either presently or future tense,
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: as far as being successful. And that's why most times
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: when you just use an element of patience. Now the
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: Jazz probably are going to wait, but with Keontae George,
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: they're committed to him. So philosophically, to your point, I'll
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: call Keontae a guard.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 44:52
  Speaker 7: And that's a compliment. He can score the ball, certainly.
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: So the Jazz already committed to Keontae George as far
• 44:58
  Speaker 7: as in that class right now.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: And Darren Peterson, who they just drafted second overall.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Very much.
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: And also, let's not forget Ace Bailey. What's interesting with
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: Ace Bailey is that probably, it seems to me, he'll
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: be the six-man starter. And that's the catch word, starter.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: Where he's going to play. So the question is, at
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: the end of the game, who's in the lineup? So
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: Ace Bailey is a major young fella talent, and he's good.
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: And it seems to me he's a good guy also
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: as far as his personality on the court. He's very coachable.
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: People tell me that he listens very intently, which is commendable.
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: And Ace got talent. So what you want to do
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: is that with Ace Bailey, probably is that he's part
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: of the Jazz future, certainly. So really, Jazz future in
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: the big picture is Keontae George, Darren Peterson, Ace Bailey,
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: and then we'll see how it plays out with the others.
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: Larry Markin and Jaron Jackson, they're all good players. The
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: question is the second or third contract, which is absolutely
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: part of it.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: And they're in their early 30s, not their late 20s anymore.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: So as far as how they fit into what you
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: think is your potential title contending window, as far as
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: age goes, that's certainly something to consider here. Got a
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: question from the text line, and then we're going to
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: go to our first break here. Spencer on the text
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: line says, question for Gordy. Is there a player you
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: coached who was particularly difficult to deal with or one
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: that the staff worried about while off the court? Is
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: there one that comes to mind?
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: Oh, many of them.
• 46:31
  Speaker 9: Many?
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: Oh, absolutely, many. It's a family show here on ESPN
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: Radio 700.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: We don't have to go into details as to why
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: you might have been worried about them.
• 46:39
  Speaker 7: No, the answer is yeah.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: But if you're comfortable naming some of them.
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: No, I'm not. That's like, you know, the guys right
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: now are retired. He's 53 years old.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: They're listening to the show. We don't want to embarrass them.
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: The guy living in Mexico City right now, you know.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: On the ESPN 700 app, tuned in.
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: No, he should be, right? No, however, every... Everybody has coaches,
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: guys like that. They have, again, it's not a perfect
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: world as far as your roster, as far as personalities.
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: And again, you know, as always, when does the maturity
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: kick in to a person? Is it age 22? Is
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: it 27? Is it 33? Is it 43? Hey, James,
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: I know some guys I hang out with who are
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: 80 years old. They're immature.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: 80? Immature?
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: What?
• 47:26
  Speaker 7: What are you talking about?
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: So the question is, when you're a basketball player in
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: the NFL, you have all this money around you and
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: all these other vices staring right in front of you,
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: how do you react? And again, the better teams, though, truly,
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: the better teams have dramatically less guys because they police themselves.
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: So the teams do. So even though the coaching staff
• 47:51
  Speaker 7: is the voice of authority, when it's all said and done,
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: it's the players in the locker room that they determine
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: so much as far as what they do. I call
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: that being an A & E, is that when the
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: team leadership is that they enforce the rules of the
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: coaching staff and they encourage players to what? To be
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: the best they can be. That's what? Being on time.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Curfew.
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: Imagine having curfew in jazz basketball. And last year, during playoffs,
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: we had a self-appointed captain's curfew where Carl and John,
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: those guys, They were the ones in charge of curfew.
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: And guess what? They ruled.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: And there was nobody messing around. Being hall monitors at
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: the hotels?
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: The answer is yes, they were. Very much. And if
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: someone got a little bit wayward, if you get my drift, James, wayward,
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: that That we didn't know about it. I'm sure they
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: did because those guys took it in charge of it.
• 48:47
  Speaker 7: Because you know why? The stakes are so high. So,
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: for example, James, who was the guy in the Super
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: Bowl in New Orleans? How come it always happens in
• 48:53
  Speaker 7: New Orleans Super Bowl, someone that's on Bourbon Street, there's
• 48:55
  Speaker 7: something weird. So the guy's playing Super Bowl and suddenly
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: he's what? A distraction to the team because he gets
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: in trouble at 2 o'clock in the morning on Bourbon Street.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Really.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Before the biggest game of your life.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: So suddenly it's a distraction for the team.
• 49:12
  Speaker 8: Why?
• 49:12
  Speaker 7: So that's what happens.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: So at least one guy every team you coach, probably.
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: Oh, absolutely.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Some knucklehead if you will a head case whatever.
• 49:22
  Speaker 7: Oh very much and also remember it's the person's also
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: people around him so a lot of times the guy's
• 49:29
  Speaker 7: wayward because it's his people around him that lead into
• 49:32
  Speaker 7: that and by the way When a guy's knucklehead retires
• 49:37
  Speaker 7: from the NBA, you know what happens also? His whole
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: people retire also. Because now they're what? Less important now.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: They're less important. So when they're there, they're banging their
• 49:47
  Speaker 7: chest at my guy, my guy, my guy. Okay. When
• 49:50
  Speaker 7: you retire, though, you're not important at all.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: They got a different guy who's still playing, probably. Yeah,
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: great story by you, Gordy. We're going to head to
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: a break here. Continue with Gordy for another half hour,
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: 40 minutes or so here on the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: James Peterson filling in on Utah's number one sports talk
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  Speaker 3: and your home of the U. CSPN 700, 92.1 FM.
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  Speaker 1: He's forgotten more about the NBA than any of us
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  Speaker 1: will ever know. Come for the hoops talk.
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  Speaker 2: Stay for his list of the day.
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  Speaker 1: Here's OC with basketball savant Gordon Chiesa on the Sean
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  Speaker 1: O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: Continuing our hour with Gordy Chiesa here in studio. Brought
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  Speaker 3: to you by Aladdin Industries. Your V-Lux Skylights dealer. And
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: you went to golf by Worldwide Golf. Get there. Gordy,
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: we were talking as you came in about some of
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: the teams that are around the Jazz. They'll probably be
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: in the play-in mix. fifth or sixth seed in the
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: West maybe is the ceiling there. The Dallas Mavericks are
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  Speaker 3: one of those teams, and they got themselves a brand
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  Speaker 3: new head coach. No Jason Kidd. What did I just
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: hear Jason Kidd's going to be doing now?
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  Speaker 7: ESPN.
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  Speaker 2: ESPN. That's right. Studio analyst. So no Jason Kidd anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Kyrie Irving's back, but the new head coach is Dusty May,
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  Speaker 3: national champion coach with Michigan.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, you worked with You worked with Rick Pitino, who.
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  Speaker 3: Made the jump to the NBA and didn't have great
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  Speaker 3: success two different times. It's a whole different thing being
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  Speaker 3: a great college coach and being a great NBA coach.
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  Speaker 3: What does Dusty May have in store for him as
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  Speaker 3: he makes that transition?
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  Speaker 7: Well, the first thing is that, James, with Kyrie Irving
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  Speaker 7: being there, do you think the world's flat or round?
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  Speaker 10: Right.
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  Speaker 7: What do you think?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, round.
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  Speaker 4: Round, okay, good.
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  Speaker 7: I'm a round earther. You're a round earther. Good, that's good.
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  Speaker 2: We all know Kyrie is famously a flat earther.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, it is. As are maybe some of our listeners.
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  Speaker 7: Shout out to you guys. Okay, so that's the first thing.
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  Speaker 7: All right, with Dusty May, national champions commendable. First thing
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  Speaker 7: is right now is coaching staff. Lead assistant is Willie Green,
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  Speaker 7: who is a five-year NBA head coach with the Pelicans,
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  Speaker 7: former assistant with the Warriors and the Suns.
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  Speaker 2: Long-time NBA player, too.
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  Speaker 7: Very much. NBA players also on the staff are Garrett
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  Speaker 7: Temple and Tyson Chandler.
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  Speaker 4: Oh.
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  Speaker 7: So they're on the coaching staff of the Dallas Mavericks.
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  Speaker 7: All right, what are some adjustments? Here's the first thing.
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  Speaker 7: As a college coach going to the NBA, the speed
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  Speaker 7: and physicality of each game, you think you know about physicality,
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  Speaker 7: you don't know until you see it up close every
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  Speaker 7: single night. The second thing, there's more offensive half-court possessions.
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  Speaker 7: So you got to be able to have some level
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  Speaker 7: of execution of either set offense, and within that offense
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  Speaker 7: is swinging the ball from side to side. The next
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  Speaker 7: one adjustment is that most times in college basketball, again,
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  Speaker 7: is always outlier. Most teams have, we'll say James, no
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  Speaker 7: more than six or seven talented people where it's defined
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  Speaker 7: who the starters are in the NBA. You have to
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: develop a skillful bench. So how do you get those
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  Speaker 7: NBA bench guys? One committed and also development of, about
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  Speaker 7: putting them in the game at a certain time. Next
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  Speaker 7: part of it adjustments. Oh, by the way, If you're
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  Speaker 7: really an elite college team like Michigan was last year,
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  Speaker 7: you might play 37 to 40 games. In the NBA,
• 53:28
  Speaker 7: are you kidding me? You play 82 games. James, I
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  Speaker 7: know college coaches and also first rookie players, they can't
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  Speaker 7: believe how long this season is. Whoa a second. It's
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  Speaker 7: only February 4th, and we already played. We still have
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  Speaker 7: 44 games left in the season right now.
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  Speaker 2: They call that the rookie wall, right, Gordy?
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  Speaker 3: They get to game 30-something, 40-something, and all of a sudden.
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  Speaker 2: They got no energy. They're like, hey, my body's not
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  Speaker 2: built for this yet.
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  Speaker 7: Very much. So there's more games, which means what? More
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  Speaker 7: plane rides, which means what? More practices, which means what?
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  Speaker 7: More individual workouts. So it's unbelievable the cumulative effect hazard
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  Speaker 7: equals what? Burnout. As a young guy, suddenly you're fatigued.
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  Speaker 7: From a coaching standpoint, you're tired mentally because you don't
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  Speaker 7: used to how there's so many games and pressures on yourself.
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  Speaker 7: And that's why it's so critical to sometimes walk away
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  Speaker 7: from the game and practice and clear your head because
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  Speaker 7: otherwise it's overwhelming.
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  Speaker 2: Let me give a few, when you have a.
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  Speaker 3: day when you don't have a game maybe in the
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  Speaker 3: college in college realm certainly you're you're probably accustomed okay
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  Speaker 3: obviously we're practicing we're not playing maybe there's maybe you
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  Speaker 3: have more of those you know it's just a complete
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: day off we don't even need to practice today because
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: we we need a break from basketball you maybe more of.
• 54:51
  Speaker 7: That oh that's understatement the answer is yeah one of
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  Speaker 7: jerry stone's uh greatest traits ever was he knew when
• 54:59
  Speaker 7: to read the locker room where where no practice today
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  Speaker 7: and everyone else, and that means that no one comes
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  Speaker 7: in to the office on the practice court.
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  Speaker 2: Not even Carmelone lifting weights or anything.
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  Speaker 7: No, nobody come in to give everybody in the organization
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  Speaker 7: a mental health, see what I'm using, not physical health break,
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  Speaker 7: a mental health break. So the guys who work in
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  Speaker 7: the video room, do not come in. Everybody take a
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  Speaker 7: day off. hang out with your new girlfriend, wannabe girlfriend,
• 55:31
  Speaker 7: old girlfriend, wife, wannabe wife, whatever it is, I don't
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  Speaker 7: care who it is, is that hang out, get yourself
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  Speaker 7: ready to go the next day, every once in a while.
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  Speaker 7: And that's what you do, not all the time, but
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  Speaker 7: it really helps so much. You learn that. Also add
• 55:45
  Speaker 7: to this, player-coach relationships. You're learning how to adapt to
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: coaching older people. Oh, it's easy when you're the voice
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  Speaker 7: of authority and suddenly you, as a college coach, that
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  Speaker 7: you're coaching someone 18, 19 years old. Yes, and the pros,
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  Speaker 7: you do that also, rookies and first-year players, second-year players.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: Nowadays, more than ever, you're coaching teenagers or 20-year-olds for sure.
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: But the better teams have guys, what, 38 years old?
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 7: So you're 38 years old, so you're coaching older people,
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  Speaker 7: and that's a whole different skill set is that the
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: question is, How do you coach these guys? You have
• 56:25
  Speaker 7: to be friendly towards them. That's the catch word. Friendly,
• 56:28
  Speaker 7: but you're not their friends. It's an unbelievable, invisible line.
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  Speaker 7: And that's any business right now. So I'm talking about coaching.
• 56:36
  Speaker 7: I was a coach for 36 years. All right. So
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  Speaker 7: I say it's firsthand as far as you're friendly with everybody,
• 56:43
  Speaker 7: but you're not friends. Next one about doing this is
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  Speaker 7: that you're dealing with more damage control on a weekly basis.
• 56:51
  Speaker 7: There's more damage control because there's so much scrutiny by
• 56:55
  Speaker 7: the media that these people are known throughout the world.
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: So you're coaching, we'll say, Kyrie Irving. You're coaching Cooper Flagg,
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  Speaker 7: who everybody knows who he is right now. He's only
• 57:08
  Speaker 7: 20 years young, but you're coaching him. You're coaching guys,
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  Speaker 7: veteran players on that team and that there's more scrutiny.
• 57:14
  Speaker 7: And how do you deal with the outside influences in
• 57:17
  Speaker 7: the locker room and team practice? And the last point
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: about that is understanding this one. This is absolutely critical.
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  Speaker 7: Understanding that the star players and or players are more
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  Speaker 7: important and valued than the head coach by ownership.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 7: That the star Cooper flag is more valued than Dusty Baker.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sorry, Dusty Baker. Dusty May. Dusty Baker. I love
• 57:44
  Speaker 7: Dusty Baker. I love him. All right, Dusty May.
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  Speaker 3: He's more valuable. Is Najee Marshall still on the Mavs
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  Speaker 3: this year?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: There's different rules for Cooper Flagg than there is for
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: Najee Marshall.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, but also, but more importantly, is that from ownership
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  Speaker 7: and management group, where if things get a little bit wayward,
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  Speaker 7: you're our guy, you're our guy, you're our guy, until what?
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  Speaker 7: You're not a guy anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Right, oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And that was Jason Kidd. In other words, objectively, sitting
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  Speaker 7: here in Salt Lake City downtown, talking to James Peterson
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  Speaker 7: here on this wonderful Thursday afternoon at 12.07. No one
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  Speaker 7: can tell me that Jason doesn't know basketball, Jason Kidd.
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  Speaker 7: And when he played the game, he was what? Pass happy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: So that when your point guard's pass happy, the locker
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  Speaker 7: room is happy. So Jason Kidd, NBA coach with the Bucs,
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  Speaker 7: with the Nets, and with the Dallas Mavericks, they let
• 58:39
  Speaker 7: him go for whatever reason and that, Only we know
• 58:42
  Speaker 7: behind the doors what would actually happen is that, boy,
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  Speaker 7: you can't say white, doesn't know basketball, and doesn't know white,
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  Speaker 7: can't relate to people.
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  Speaker 8: Really?
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: You're delusionary. Yes, he can.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're absolutely right.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: We're going to head to a break, but I remember
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: you telling a story, maybe more off-air than on-air, Gordy,
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  Speaker 3: about how the Jazz, with Jerry Sloan as the head coach,
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  Speaker 3: had a much more unique dynamic where it was, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Malone and Stockton, very important ownership, very important to Larry Miller,
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  Speaker 3: but equally important was the head coach, and Jerry knew that, right?
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  Speaker 3: And he was able to coach really hard because he
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  Speaker 3: knew he had security to the point where, hey, if
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  Speaker 3: these guys sour on me, ownership's going to back me.
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  Speaker 8: Correct. Correct.
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  Speaker 7: That's an understatement. And so 23 years later, oh, by
• 59:33
  Speaker 7: the way, in case you forget this, the Jazz went
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  Speaker 7: to the playoffs 20 straight years in a row.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Unfortunately, the Jazz.
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  Speaker 2: 23 out of 26 or whatever.
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  Speaker 7: Very much. And let's point back to, if we get
• 59:42
  Speaker 7: the break, is that the Jazz probably would have been
• 59:45
  Speaker 7: champions if we didn't lose to the world's greatest player
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  Speaker 7: of all time to do the greatest things to beat us.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: So is any other great player probably a championship? Probably.
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  Speaker 7: But That number 23, James, he wouldn't cooperate. How dare you?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely not. So on the other side, last segment with Gordy.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: We'll go another 20 minutes with him. Delta Center renovation,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: downtown entertainment district renovation between City Creek and the Delta Center,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: that whole block there, a few blocks if we're being honest,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: Ryan Smith had a big announcement about that. Also, Gordy's
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: seen what the jazz arena looks like, the jazz configuration
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: looks like in the Delta Center now. I've just seen
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: the hockey configuration. Very curious as to Gordy's thoughts on that.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: And we got his list. We're going to talk NBA
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: title contenders as well. All that and more on the
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: other side in about three minutes here on the Sean
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: O'Connell Show. James Peterson filling in. Gordy hanging out in
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: studio for another segment. Here on Utah's number one sports
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  Speaker 1: The Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch Chevrolet studio of
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  Speaker 1: ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
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  Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell Show continues. We officially start hour two. I'm
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: not that different from Sean. I'm noticing a little long-winded, Gordy.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: At the end of the break. But that's okay.
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  Speaker 3: don't know if you saw this. Ryan Smith, there's been
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: a lot of talk over the last few years about
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  Speaker 3: how Downtown is going to be reimagined by the Smith
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  Speaker 3: Entertainment Group in partnership with the state legislature and the
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  Speaker 3: mayor's office, Mayor Mendenhall. We now have some more detailed
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  Speaker 3: renderings of what that's going to look like. Did you
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  Speaker 3: see these?
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  Speaker 4: Amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's going to look amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Just to give our listeners some details, you may have
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: missed it. It's on Ryan Smith's Twitter, by the way.
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  Speaker 3: He's got the actual videos and pictures. you can see
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  Speaker 3: what all this kinda describe it for you verbally here there's.
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  Speaker 2: Gonna be up.
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  Speaker 3: It's gonna connect City Creek to the Delta Center right
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  Speaker 3: and what that means is if you can picture or
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  Speaker 3: fear you're working downtown you look outside your office window
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: you're working from home downtown you can your around the
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  Speaker 3: salt palaces Delta Center area the salt palace kinda blocks
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  Speaker 3: of the end of City Creek and to where the
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  Speaker 3: Delta Center is, right? They're going to completely change the
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: Salt Palace so it doesn't just create a wall like that,
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  Speaker 3: and they're going to change Japantown Street as well so
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: that from the end of City Creek, what's that Nordstrom
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  Speaker 3: that's at the end there?
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Right across from the Salt Palace from there to the
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  Speaker 3: Delta Center is going to be a walkway. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think any cars are going to be allowed on this.
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  Speaker 3: It's just going to be a pedestrian walkway that will
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  Speaker 3: connect the two places there Abravanel Hall is also right
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  Speaker 3: there next to the Salt Palace. That's going to get
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: revamped as well, right there in the middle. If you
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  Speaker 3: haven't seen the video or the pictures, again, Ryan Smith's Twitter.
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  Speaker 2: Has some great pictures there. It looks really cool, Gordy.
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  Speaker 3: Also part of this, we heard the announcement about the
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: Live Nation downtown concert venue. Apparently, that's going to be
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: part of this big entertainment district as well, not that
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  Speaker 3: far out.
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  Speaker 2: From the Delta Center. So you said you saw this.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I did.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And your thoughts on this reimagined downtown. We finally have
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  Speaker 3: a picture of what it's going to look like.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, very much. It's commendable. It's going to be spectacular.
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  Speaker 7: Just think about downtown where they're trying to attempt to do.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 7: It's really a community hub. Yeah. No matter what, what
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 7: you're interested in, it's going to be there. And now
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: with the, with the walk inside walk, as far as
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: whether or not it doesn't matter. That's part of the
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: reason why. I think it's great. Most cities that have
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: a big-time feel have a vibrant downtown, just generally speaking.
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  Speaker 7: And this will absolutely add to downtown and whether you're
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 7: a sports fan. whether you're a fan of music, whether
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  Speaker 7: you're a fan of the shopping, whether you're a fan
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 7: of just hanging out, whatever it is, it'll be downtown.
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  Speaker 7: I think it's going to be great. I moved there
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  Speaker 7: in 1989, so I've seen the unbelievable growth in Salt
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  Speaker 7: Lake City, and it's really great.
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  Speaker 3: It's already, I imagine, changed so much, this part of
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: downtown in the time that you've been here.
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  Speaker 2: City Creek, for example, it was... It was not there.
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  Speaker 2: It was the old DCMI Mall that was underground, right?
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Right by Temple Square.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And now that's above ground, City Creek. So that's been
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: a big change to downtown since.
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  Speaker 7: Very much.
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  Speaker 2: Since you moved here.
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  Speaker 7: And the Delta Center didn't exist. It wasn't there.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good point. It was the Salt Palace.
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  Speaker 6: No, it was.
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  Speaker 2: That they played, that Jazz played at.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 6: Exactly.
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  Speaker 7: Jazz played at Salt Palace... until, excuse me, my year's right.
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  Speaker 2: Was it 93?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: 92, 93?
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  Speaker 7: No, the first year at Delta Center was 1991, 92 season.
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  Speaker 7: That was the first year. So the Jazz played in
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  Speaker 7: the old Salt Palace, which held 12,844 people. I remember
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 7: the day Larry Miller said to me, I've got to
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 7: build an arena because John and Carl entering their prime
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 7: season There's so many clamoring for tickets. I've got to
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 7: build an arena. Thus, it became what? The Delta Center.
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  Speaker 7: At that time, back in the late 80s, because of
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 7: the banking loan industry scandals, now one bank in America
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 7: was owning, was loaning money to people with a speculative investment.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 7: Larry had to borrow $ 100 million out of Sumitomo Trust
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 7: in Tokyo via LA branch for the seed money to
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 7: build a Delta Center. That's fast forward. More importantly, Ryan
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  Speaker 7: Smith right now is doing a great job as far
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  Speaker 7: as making downtown such a different vibe for it. And again,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 7: it's one guy did it this way, 35, 37 years later,
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  Speaker 7: now it's a different viewpoint. Both were great.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we talked about City Creek is a newer
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: thing since the Delta Center was built, of course. Now
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: it feels like it's been around for a really long time,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: but it's a lot newer than the Delta Center. But
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: between the Salt Palace and the Delta Center, that's basically
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: stayed the same.
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  Speaker 2: For most of that time.
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  Speaker 7: Correct.
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  Speaker 3: Right. So this is the first time that we're going
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  Speaker 3: to see a drastically different look to downtown in what?
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  Speaker 2: 40, 50 years.
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  Speaker 8: Correct.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, very much.
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  Speaker 3: And I love, and I love the, the way the renderings,
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  Speaker 3: the plan that they have to make it look one
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: note on this to Aaron Mendenhall, the Salt Lake city mayor.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: She's in this SCG video talking about, uh, the salt
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: palace in a Bravino hall in particular, uh, She says
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: that they expect 5 million visitors to the district every
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: year once it's going to be completed, which there's some
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: of us that are like, you know what?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: It's already too crowded. But, hey, that's going to bring
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: in more.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: You talked about a lot more vibrant downtown and obviously
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: more people coming in.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: That's more.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: Tourism dollars and revenue for the city and for these
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: local business owners that are going to be part of this.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: It can't be that bad.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 7: It gives Salt Lake City an unbelievable big-town feel in
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 7: a great way, and that's the goal. And where people
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 7: of all different faiths, all different walks of life can
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 7: come together and enjoy a hockey game, a basketball game,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 7: a concert. Just hanging out with family, new friends, old friends.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 7: A lot of.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: Different shopping experience. Very much.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: They want the Salt Palace to be the number one
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: destination for national and international conventions after this. Which you're
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: going to have a hard time competing with Vegas on that,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: just saying.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: But!
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: I love the ambition. I love the aspirations there. So
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: that's the latest on the downtown district. They're calling it
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: the Sports Entertainment Culture and Convention District. That's what they're
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: going to call this after it's completed. They did not
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: give a timeline. They just said it will be done
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: in advance of the 2034 Winter Olympic and Paralympic Games.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: So sometime.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: In the next eight years, this will be finished, is
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: what they told us, which that's a long range, but
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: we'll see. Real quick, Gordy, I want to get into
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: some NBA title contenders here, our short list here. But
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: before we do that, speaking of the renovations and stuff,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: you've been to Jazz NBA preseason games.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: I've been to.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: Utah Mammoth, the opening night game, with the new arena configuration.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: I'm really curious what you think of the Jazz configuration
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: with this new gondola seating, which look awesome for hockey.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: What's the look like for Jazz games? How do you
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: feel about it?
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 7: Spectacular it's great it's a great feel absolutely the jazz
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 7: have good players so it's going to be a great
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 7: home court wonderful advantage it looks great fans love it
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 7: looking at it and also reacting to it as far
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 7: as uh cheering for your the home team it's it's
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 7: wonderful so they've done a great job as far as
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 7: combining the newness of it with an old feel also
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 7: in a good way.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: Still got that steep pitch that's always been unique to
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: the Delta Center.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: Over the years, which is awesome.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: No, but the Delta Center, James, it's loud. It's a
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 7: loud arena. I'm simplifying it, but it helps the home team,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 7: and the fans love it. Utah Jazz fans, they're number one.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 7: They love their team. Objectively, I could say the Jazz,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 7: the Spurs... the trailblazers, those smaller type markets, just generally speaking.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 7: And also, it sounds weird saying it, James, Sacramento Kings, despite,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 7: you know, ineptness, they have a great fan base. I
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 7: know it sounds weird saying it, but they actually do.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: We saw that when they got back to the playoffs, what,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: four years ago, and it was like, oh, this feels
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: like the old Arco Arena, the newer Golden One Center.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: Feels like early 2000s Arco Arena. They still got a
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: great fan base. You're absolutely right about that. Yeah, so
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: I'm excited to get in. I'm going to go opening night.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: It will be my first Jazz game. Gordy, excited to
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: see you there and see what that configuration looks like
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: with the new Delta Center. By the way, one more
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: phase of upper bowl renovation to be done in the
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: Delta Center. That's the other side of where the new
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: gondola seating is. That's the southwest side of the arena,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: if I'm not mistaken. That's going to happen next. this
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: coming summer and then it'll be, it'll be absolutely complete. Uh,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: so excited for that. Uh, Gordy, uh, NBA title contenders.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: I wrote this short list for each conference, um, after
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: LeBron committed to sign with the Sixers, which kind of
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: signaled a Kauai's thing. Trade hadn't been finalized with the Raptors,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: but we were, we were kind of assuming it would
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: eventually happen, uh, which it did. And so I was
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: assuming Kawhi on the Raptors at this point. Why don't
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: I give you my Eastern Conference first, and then maybe
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: you can give me yours.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: Does that sound good, Gordon?
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: And then we'll do the West?
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to go.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: I have five teams in the East that I think
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: could win a championship. There's more than that. They're going
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: to play for a championship in the playoffs. I only
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: think five of the eight that are going to play
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: for a championship as playoff teams have a truly realistic chance.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: I will go five to one. So I've got Kawhi's Raptors.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: New Look Raptors is five. Some people have them a
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: lot higher. I've got them at five. I've got the
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: Boston Celtics at four. And that's one you might be going,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: you're crazy. They don't have Jalen Brown anymore. They signed
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: Mike Conley to help their depth at point guard, which
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: was a sneaky lack of depth for them this past season.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: One of the reasons why they couldn't get out of
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: the first round, despite being a number two seed last year,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: in addition to injuries. They signed Mitchell Robinson to shore
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: up their center position, their most glaring weakness on the
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: team last year. And Paul George can still play. I
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: know he's not Jalen Brown, but when he's healthy, he
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: can still be a good.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: Number two scorer for them.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: I'm not as low on the Celtics as some people
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: might be, Cordy. Number three, I have the Sixers. They
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: add LeBron. They trade for Jalen Brown. Tyrese Maxey is...
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: an all-world player, VJ Edgecombe, incredible rookie season last year,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: expected to take another leap this year. And then it
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: all hinges on Joel Embiid's health. But even if Embiid
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: doesn't play a lot in the regular season, they should
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: still have a really high seed because everybody else on
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: the team is really good, Gordy. So I like this.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: Sixers I have is my third best Eastern Conference NBA
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: title contender. Two, I have the defending champs. This is
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: where I have the Knicks. And you might go, If
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: someone's listening, might go, are you crazy? That is so
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: disrespectful to this Knicks team. They brought back almost everybody.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: They replaced Mitchell Robinson with Andre Drummond, which, to use
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: your word, Gordy, yikes. I do not like that for
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: the Knicks. Their depth was one of the reasons why
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: they were able to get to the finals and then
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: beat the Spurs. Because they had a coach who was
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: willing to use their depth, too. That's going to really
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: hurt their depth. That's just one reason why I don't
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: have them, number one. Number one, I have the Indiana Pacers.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: And I'm not sure anyone else who's not a Pacers
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: fan who follows the NBA, Gordy, probably has this Pacers team,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: number one. But they get Tyrese Halliburton back. Zubats is
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: a big upgrade compared to Miles Turner off the bench.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: They go 10, maybe 11 guys deep, too. They signed
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: Kelly Oubre. which was a big signing to help shore
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: their depth up. They still have all their great depth
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: pieces off the bench that they had when they got
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: to game seven of the finals two years ago. The
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: Pacers are my favorite to win the East this year.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 7: Okay. I like it. Well said. I'm going to go
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 7: just quickly as far as, I'll just give you, without
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 7: going into detail, here's my top five in the East.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 7: Number five, the Cavs. Number four, the Celtics. Number three,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 7: Defending champ, Knicks. Number two, 76ers. Number one, the Heat.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: The Heat. The Heat.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: I would love it if it's the Heat. I love
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: Giannis to the Heat. I don't know if they have
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: enough pieces around Giannis.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 7: Sure.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: Tell me why you have the Heat, number one.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 7: Because, one, the coaching is terrific. They've been there before.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 7: They battle. They play defense. They play fast offensively and defensively.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 7: They've been overcoming, the last few years, they've been injured
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 7: as far as with key positions. I just like the
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 7: way they play. They have enough talent. And I believe
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 7: that coaching is so important. So what they're going to
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 7: probably try to use off the bench. You remember now,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 7: they added Tim Hardaway. They added Klay Thompson as a starter.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 7: So they start Davian Mitchell, Klay Thompson, Andrew Wiggins, Giannis Dominguez.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 7: And Bam Adebato. That's a very good starting team. But
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 7: they've done a good job with the bench. Adding Tim
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 7: Hardaway will help them. And Fontecchio. And they added Bobby Portis. So,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 7: I like their coaching. I like their team. I like
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 7: Giannis being motivated. I like Pat Rowley as the main
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 7: guy that runs the organization. I think they're going to
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 7: have a great season. In the West, quickly.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: Five, Rockets.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 7: Four, Nuggets. Even though we love Jokic. Four, Nuggets.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: Three, T-Wolves.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 7: Okay. A mellow ball. Good. Anthony Edwards.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 7: They got some crew there right now.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: Two, Spurs.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 7: One, Thunder.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: I feel like probably everyone in the world has those
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: last two, either Spurs one, Thunder two, or vice versa
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: the way you had it.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: I'm similar.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: I only have three teams in the West that I
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: think can truly win the championship, Gordy. Number three, the
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: Houston Rockets. I think Fred Van Vliet gives them an
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: adult in the room at point guard that they did
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: not have last year. And we saw that that was
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: we all learned just how glaring that was, especially in
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: that first round series loss to the Lakers, who had
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: nobody playing except for LeBron, it seemed like. And they
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: still they still lost to them. Fred Van Vliet's going
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: to make a huge difference for them. And then I
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: have the Spurs. I have the same as you.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: Spurs 2, Thunder 1, Jalen Williams, J. Will.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: He's going to be healthy to start the season. If
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: he's healthy in that series against the Spurs, the Thunder
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: probably go back to the finals and maybe they're back-to-back champions, right?
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: If he's healthy, even with as bad as Chet Holmgren
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: played in that series against And if Chet Holmgren doesn't
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: get any better, if he's healthy, they ought to be
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: able to win the West this year, even with the
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: Spurs being improved in the offseason and another year older,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: which is huge for a young team like that with
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: a lot of talent. But it's going to be close
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: between those two. It's like Thunder Spurs here and then
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: kind of a big gap. Then for me, it's the Rockets.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: You have, who was your third team?
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: The T-Wolves.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 7: T-Wolves, yeah. Nuggets four, Rockets five.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: So I think the Nuggets are going to regress this year.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: I think the Lakers are going to regress this year
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: a little bit. But we shall see how it all
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: plays out.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 7: And that's the beauty of the whole thing in the NBA.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 7: You think you know, you know nothing.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: Gordy, we're over time already, but we still have time
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: for your list, of course. Give us your list of
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: the day.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 7: The list today, James, is the 15 greatest all-around NBA players. Yikes.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 7: 15 greatest. Here's the criteria. So you're driving right now
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 7: on I-15. Don't be start wigging out when I get
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 7: these names out. So here's the criteria. One, scoring.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: Two, passing.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 7: Three, defending, including shot blocking.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: Four, rebounding.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 7: Five. end of game, clutch two-way plays. Six, longevity. Seven,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 7: NBA titles. All right, you have to win a title.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 7: As great as you are, certain players are, you got
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 7: to win at least one title. Here we go. Number 15,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 7: Oscar Robinson. One title. Number 14, He plays for the
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 7: Rockets right now, Kevin Durant, two NBA titles. Number three,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 7: former Rockets, the all-time leader in shot blocking and the
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 7: greatest ever stealer in the NBA for a big guy,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 7: Hakeem Olajuwon, two NBA titles. Number 12, all-time, four NBA titles,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 7: Shaquille O'Neal. Number 11, talked about it a second ago,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 7: The Denver Nuggets, one NBA title, three-time MVP, Nikolai Jokic.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 7: Number 10. One of the greatest ever clutch players, three championships,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 7: Larry Bird. Number nine. The world's greatest shooter of all
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 7: time versus off the dribble versus what? Catch and shoot.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 7: Four NBA titles at 6'3, 186 pounds. He's once in
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 7: a generational talent, Steph Curry. Number eight.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: Mr.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 7: Fundamentals, five championships, Tim Duncan. Number seven, 11 titles in
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 7: 13 years, including being a player coach. We'll go later
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 7: on quickly about him. Number seven, all-time, Bill Russell. Number six,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 7: five NBA titles. He did it with a smile, Magic Johnson.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 7: Number five, all-time greatest player, five championships, He left his
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 7: way too early in life, Kobe Bryant. Number four, they
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 7: changed the rules to try to guard him in a
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 7: game because he's impossible to guard. One time someone said
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 7: that you don't pass the ball enough, led the NBA
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 7: in assists the following season, Wilt Chamberlain, with two championships,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 7: four all-time. Number three, he did it with a skyhook.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 7: He did it with goggles, six NBA titles, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 7: Number two, 24th year in the NBA coming up right now.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: Still playing, Gordon.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 7: Still playing. Plays for the 76ers. LeBron James with four
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 7: titles and the number one greatest player of all time.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 7: Six NBA titles. There was nobody like him ever. Both
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 7: two-way sides of the ball. You know what I'm going
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 7: to say right now? His name is Michael Jordan with six. Quickly.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 7: Who might on his list someday could be added? What
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 7: about Victor Wembeamba someday could be on this list and
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 7: Let's go back to Bill Russell.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: Feels like only a matter of time.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 7: Very much.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: All right, Bill Russell.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 7: Here's Russell's stat line. I have to bring it up
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 7: because he's such a unique player. Five-time league MVP. He
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 7: was 10-0 in game sevens of playoffs, undefeated. He averaged 15.1
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 7: points per game in his career. He averaged rebounds, 22.3
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 7: rebounds per game, and.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 7: They didn't keep block shots until 1973, 74 season. He
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 7: retired in 1969. But if they did, he'd average blocks
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 7: per game. James, I'm tempering my words here. At least
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 7: five blocks a game.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: Thus.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 7: That's my list of today. Please text James Peterson and
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 7: give James Peterson your list of the 15 greatest players.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: If you do, we'll 877-353-0700. We might compare that a
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: little bit later in the show. Gordy, thank you so
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: much for coming in studio. So much fun. Have a
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: good rest of your day.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 7: Thanks, James. Peace out.
• 1:22:31
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  Speaker 3: Here on the Sean O'Connell Show, James Peterson filling in
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  Speaker 3: for OC. He's in Chicago calling PFL fights. We've got
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  Speaker 3: Tyson Whiting behind the glass, former voice of the Grizzlies,
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  Speaker 3: now one of our producers. So happy to have Tyson
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  Speaker 3: in today as well. I'm going to be real quick
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  Speaker 3: with this because I spent a long time with Gordy Chiesa,
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  Speaker 3: and you can't help but spend a long time with
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  Speaker 3: Gordy Chiesa. It's so much fun to talk with the
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  Speaker 3: former Utah Jazz assistant coach. Quickly, Utah Volleyball hosting number
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  Speaker 3: 14 BYU tonight. We interviewed or OC interviewed Ashley West,
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  Speaker 3: the outside and opposite side hitter for the Utes on
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  Speaker 3: yesterday's show.
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  Speaker 2: ESPN700sports. com.
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  Speaker 3: Search the Sean O'Connell show wherever you get your podcasts
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  Speaker 3: to check that interview out. 7 o'clock tonight, rivalry game.
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  Speaker 3: It's a red out, so you got to wear red.
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  Speaker 3: And we want to pack the Huntsman for this, for
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  Speaker 3: the rivalry match. Go to utahtickets.com slash volleyball for tickets.
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  Speaker 3: If you can't make it to the Huntsman for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 3: you can watch it on ESPN +. Again, 7 o'clock,
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  Speaker 3: rivalry game for Utah Volleyball hosting number 14, BYU.
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  Speaker 2: This came through yesterday, Tyson.
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  Speaker 3: Utah men's tennis is getting a new coach. Athletic director
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  Speaker 3: Mark Harlan announced that they are parting ways with Roland,
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  Speaker 3: and I believe it's Brottenu. I apologize if I didn't
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  Speaker 3: get the name right there. Stan Von Burden has been
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  Speaker 3: named the interim coach. Roland Brottenu spent 21 years with
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  Speaker 3: Utah's program, including two years as a player, seven as
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  Speaker 3: an assistant, and the last 12 as head coach. Four
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  Speaker 3: NCAA tournament berths. one Pac-12 championship in his 12-year tenure.
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  Speaker 3: That was in the last year of the Pac-12 in 2023.
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  Speaker 3: So coaching change in men's tennis up on the Hill.
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  Speaker 3: Big 12 announced a partnership. You may have seen this
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  Speaker 3: earlier today, a partnership with Principal, you know, the retirement
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  Speaker 3: savings company. Principal will have a jersey patch above the
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  Speaker 3: Big 12 logo, Tyson, during basketball conference tournaments. That's men's
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  Speaker 3: and women's. and various Olympic sports conference championship events. They're
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  Speaker 3: going to, you're going to see the principal logo above
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  Speaker 3: the big 12 logo, nothing in the press release about
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  Speaker 3: the financials, even like how much money per school this
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  Speaker 3: might be bringing in. That's honestly the most important thing, Tyson.
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  Speaker 3: Like I, I don't care about where the Jersey that
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  Speaker 3: there's going to be a Jersey patch, where it's going
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  Speaker 3: to be. Just tell us how much money it's going
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  Speaker 3: to make the conference, but they didn't include that in
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  Speaker 3: the press release. If it's not going to make much money, Tyson, it's,
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  Speaker 3: I don't really see the point of any of this.
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  Speaker 3: If you're the big 12, who's like the third or
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  Speaker 3: fourth best power for conference, you're trying to make money
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  Speaker 3: to catch up to the big 10 and, and the sec.
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  Speaker 5: The money's the most important thing. And I'd almost wonder
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  Speaker 5: is where do you put the monster logo? Where do
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  Speaker 5: you put some of the other sponsor logos? And are
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  Speaker 5: they going to play on that computer screen basketball floor again?
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  Speaker 5: Are they going to be on our traditional basketball floor
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  Speaker 5: for the upcoming big 12 championships?
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  Speaker 6: And while we're at it, where's the NASCAR logo going
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  Speaker 6: to be?
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  Speaker 5: Where's the, and obviously every Jersey manufacturer has got to
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  Speaker 5: be on somewhere. Before you know it, I think they're
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  Speaker 5: going to start producing and playing some of these games
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  Speaker 5: on Sundays in racetracks because, after all, it looks like
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  Speaker 5: they've got NASCAR suits with all the sponsors they're wearing.
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  Speaker 3: You're absolutely right. It feels like it's headed that way.
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  Speaker 3: It's nowhere near that, thankfully, yet. But I get where
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  Speaker 3: you come from, tongue-in-cheek with that. It feels like it's
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  Speaker 3: headed that way. So that's the other thing. You talk
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  Speaker 3: about where's the Monster Energy logo because it's the Monster
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  Speaker 3: Energy Big 12 football and basketball season, right, starting this year.
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  Speaker 3: The picture that they have that shows the principal patch
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  Speaker 3: above the Big 12 logo doesn't have the monster patch
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  Speaker 3: anywhere near there. My guess is it's going to be
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  Speaker 3: the principal, as I'm on YouTube pointing at my shirt.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to be principal here, Big 12 logo here,
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  Speaker 3: and just to my right, your left if you're looking
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  Speaker 3: at me, of the Big 12 logo. is where that
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  Speaker 3: green monster M is going to be like we've seen
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  Speaker 3: on the football uniform so far.
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  Speaker 2: So it's going to look pretty busy in that part of.
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  Speaker 5: The Jersey or just what they do in soccer and
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  Speaker 5: just take away the team name and team logos and
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  Speaker 5: just put the sponsor right in the.
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  Speaker 2: Middle of the chest there. Absolutely. Uh, so that's, uh,
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  Speaker 2: that's the announcement.
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  Speaker 3: Hopefully it brings in lots of revenue to schools like
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  Speaker 3: Utah and, uh, and BYU, our local schools here, part
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  Speaker 3: of the big 12. Uh, Quickly, a Thursday night football preview.
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  Speaker 3: We've got this game on the station tonight. Tyson, Seattle Seahawks,
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  Speaker 3: we are your home of the Seahawks this year at
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  Speaker 3: the Denver Broncos. Coverage starting at 6 on your home
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  Speaker 3: of the Seahawks right after the drive with Spence Check.
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  Speaker 3: It's also, by the way, on the network, Utah's ESPN
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  Speaker 3: radio network on ESPN The Fan.
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  Speaker 2: That's 103.9 and 98.3 FM.
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  Speaker 3: You can hear the Denver Broncos home call if you're
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  Speaker 3: a Broncos fan. So no need to go anywhere else
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  Speaker 3: on your radio dial except for Utah's ESPN radio network
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  Speaker 3: either here at ESPN 792.1 FM to hear the Seahawks
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  Speaker 3: home call. ESPN The Fan on 103.9 and 98.3 FM
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  Speaker 3: to hear the Broncos home call.
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  Speaker 6: We got all bases covered here.
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  Speaker 5: We got Dave Logan on 960 there, and we got
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  Speaker 5: Steve Rabel here on ESPN 700, so you can have
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  Speaker 5: your pick as to what your flavor is for that game. And, hey,
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  Speaker 5: Broncos are going to need to get off to a
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  Speaker 5: quicker start. They have really struggled offensively, especially in first
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  Speaker 5: half of games. Their defense has done a good job
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  Speaker 5: keeping a minute. But, boy, Denver, I think a lot
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  Speaker 5: of people thought that this was going to be a
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  Speaker 5: Super Bowl contender, and it's really not shown to be,
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  Speaker 5: even though their schedule has been pretty tough early in
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  Speaker 5: the season.
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  Speaker 3: And then on the other side with the Seahawks, not undefeated, right?
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  Speaker 3: They've got some losses most recently to their rivals, the
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  Speaker 3: San Francisco 49ers. We know OC's really happy about that.
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  Speaker 3: on Sunday in Seattle, but you had Sam Darnold leave
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  Speaker 3: early in the season opener against the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: They ended up winning that game. Anyway, Sam Darnold's back.
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  Speaker 3: You had the, the, all the turnovers in the game
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  Speaker 3: again in Washington, but I mean, all things considered, you're
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  Speaker 3: not in first place if you're the Seahawks, but you're,
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  Speaker 3: you're about where you want to be. As far as
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  Speaker 3: how you're playing, you just wish you could have won, uh,
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  Speaker 3: a couple more of those games you're undefeated, but like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that you have that many concerns. If
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  Speaker 3: you're a Seahawks fan, there's certainly not the concerns that
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  Speaker 3: you have as a Broncos fan that you just outlined
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  Speaker 3: where offensively they wait until like the third quarter to
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  Speaker 3: get going.
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  Speaker 5: And Sean Payton finally taking over the play calling duties,
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  Speaker 5: which I think we all knew the minute that Sean
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  Speaker 5: Payton took away the play calling duties from himself, gave
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  Speaker 5: it to the Davis web. I think we knew it
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  Speaker 5: was only a matter of time before Sean Payton was
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  Speaker 5: going to take it over again. As for Seattle, uh,
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  Speaker 5: I think we're starting to see exactly what kind of
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  Speaker 5: an impact Kenneth Walker had in that lineup, and losing
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  Speaker 5: that guy and obviously seeing the impact he's had with
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  Speaker 5: the Chiefs so far this season, I think that's a
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  Speaker 5: bigger loss than what the Seahawks originally thought.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're absolutely right about that, but I still think
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  Speaker 3: they're playing pretty well, all things considered. I would feel
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  Speaker 3: pretty good about tonight's game if I'm Seattle, even though
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  Speaker 3: the game's in Denver, and Denver's a talented team, and
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  Speaker 3: I would feel pretty good about them doing a really
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  Speaker 3: nice title defense and getting into the playoffs this year
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  Speaker 3: if you're a Seahawks fan.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see how tonight goes.
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  Speaker 3: Again, coverage starting at 6, Seahawks home call here on
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  Speaker 3: your home of the Seahawks, ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM
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  Speaker 3: right after the drive and Spence check. It's more NFL news, Tyson.
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  Speaker 3: Did you see the videos of after the overtime game
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  Speaker 3: on Monday Night Football?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a.
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  Speaker 5: Little bit of a ruckus there, and some punches were thrown,
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  Speaker 5: and there was a two-game suspension, although it looks like
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  Speaker 5: with Aliark-Jackson, that's been reduced from two games to one. But,
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  Speaker 5: you know, that's one of those that every now and then,
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  Speaker 5: it's not like you see it after every game, but
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  Speaker 5: every now and then, you know, people are shaking hands
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  Speaker 5: and having a good time, but it's a little bit
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  Speaker 5: too fired up, and maybe a couple words are exchanged,
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  Speaker 5: and before you know it, you've got a fight to
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  Speaker 5: break up. Yeah, so I believe it's a Larrick-Jackson, a Larrick-Jackson,
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  Speaker 5: however you say that, The Rams offensive lineman, he punched
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  Speaker 5: Bradley Chubb.
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  Speaker 3: And I know there's videos of people doing it. They
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  Speaker 3: put it in super slow-mo, and it makes it look
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  Speaker 3: like maybe he had an open.
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  Speaker 2: hand there. And they, they call that a mush, not
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  Speaker 2: a punch, whatever.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe that's where it goes from two games to one
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  Speaker 5: game and close the fist.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe because it, maybe because it may have been an
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  Speaker 3: open fist or open palm there.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe Brett, they were able to prove that Bradley Chubb
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  Speaker 3: said something that was way over the line. And they're like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: you still shouldn't do that to retaliate, but we get
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  Speaker 3: why you felt provoked.
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  Speaker 8: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, it looked like a, it looked like a punch
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  Speaker 3: to Bradley Chubb, Bradley Chubb. Certainly he, he admitted that
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  Speaker 3: he initiated the trash talk after the game, the conversation there,
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  Speaker 3: and they were trash talking throughout the game and he
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  Speaker 3: was just continuing it, but still like you, you can't
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  Speaker 3: punch a guy open fist or not the way that
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  Speaker 3: he did, especially it gets caught on national TV cameras
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  Speaker 3: as ESPN SVP was still doing his post game show.
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  Speaker 2: So they're still panning the field.
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  Speaker 5: I was listening to the Westwood one call and they
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  Speaker 5: were actually in the, uh, In the middle of an interview,
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  Speaker 5: and they're talking to Rosu, who blocked the kick. Yeah, Rousseau.
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  Speaker 5: And so he had to stop the interview. It's like,
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  Speaker 5: go break up a fight, and resume the interview. One
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  Speaker 5: other big NFL story that's come out over the last hour,
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  Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts, the Eagles quarterback, has been ruled out for
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  Speaker 5: this upcoming game against the Panthers with a blood clot.
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  Speaker 2: Yikes, blood clot.
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  Speaker 6: So Jalen Hurts is out for the Eagles.
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  Speaker 2: That is scary.
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  Speaker 3: To have a blood clot be the reason why, and
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  Speaker 3: that's a big loss for the Eagles who already have,
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  Speaker 3: they just traded their center away. They've made some moves
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  Speaker 3: that it looks like they're trying to dial things back,
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  Speaker 3: trying to maybe start a rebuild here, but who knows,
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  Speaker 3: and they certainly don't have much of a chance against
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  Speaker 3: what's a sneaky good Panthers team, Devin Lloyd. Former Ute
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  Speaker 3: leading things on the defensive end, looking like maybe one
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  Speaker 3: of the best linebackers in the league, if not the
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  Speaker 3: best linebacker in the league so far.
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  Speaker 5: Looks like Tanner McKee is going to get the start
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  Speaker 5: for the Eagles.
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  Speaker 3: Tanner McKee. We know him from Stanford. He played Utah
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  Speaker 3: a few times.
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  Speaker 5: Well, BYU fans, because I think he's a member of
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  Speaker 5: the church, I think BYU fans for many years thought
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  Speaker 5: that he was going to end up as a cougar.
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  Speaker 3: Talented guy, but never really... put it all together at Stanford.
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  Speaker 3: And it says something about his talent that he's been
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  Speaker 3: able to stick as a backup for the Eagles for
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  Speaker 3: what's his third or fourth year now.
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  Speaker 2: But he's no Jalen Hurts.
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  Speaker 3: And so that's going to, you like this? You ready
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  Speaker 3: for this, Tyson? It's going to hurt the Eagles to
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  Speaker 3: not have Jalen Hurts at quarterback.
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  Speaker 6: Good one, James.
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  Speaker 3: That's the kind of thing that OC would roll his
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  Speaker 3: eyes and say, okay, moving on. Um, Oh, see, he's
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  Speaker 3: not here though. So you're going to get more of
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  Speaker 3: that as I fill in for him today, Tyson, we've
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  Speaker 3: got a playoff baseball going on right now, early game,
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  Speaker 3: trying to avoid some weather in Cleveland and we got
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  Speaker 3: a score update for us.
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  Speaker 5: It looks like we're in the bottom of the sixth
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  Speaker 5: inning guardians lead the race three to two PD Halpin
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  Speaker 5: had a two run Homer for Cleveland to give him
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  Speaker 5: a lead. And so Cleveland to Tampa, uh, Cleveland three,
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  Speaker 5: Tampa two.
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  Speaker 3: That game's in the bottom of the sixth inning. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so Cleveland is hitting. This game is at Progressive Field
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  Speaker 3: in Cleveland. Donovan Mitchell in attendance. We saw him in
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  Speaker 3: the pregame wearing his Guardians gear. Real quick, because we'll
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  Speaker 3: head to a break, but there's Brewers and Dodgers tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Brewers might sweep the Dodgers tonight. That's at six. We
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  Speaker 3: were talking off-air, Tyson. It feels like, assuming the Brewers
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  Speaker 3: close out the Dodgers, whether it's tonight or some other night,
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  Speaker 3: it feels like we're going to have, whether it's the
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  Speaker 3: Guardians or the Rays winning in the AL, if it's
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  Speaker 3: the Brewers on the other side, you might have the
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  Speaker 3: Spider-Man meme where everyone's pointing at each other, looking in
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  Speaker 3: a mirror at each other. It feels like the Dodgers
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  Speaker 3: are the only team that's not like the other teams
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  Speaker 3: that are playing right now. Rays, Guardians, Brewers, they're not
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  Speaker 3: about hitting home runs every time. They're about making contact,
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  Speaker 3: getting infield hits, putting pressure on pitchers, and then on
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  Speaker 3: their side of things, pitching really well and deep with
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  Speaker 3: their starters and great bullpens. It feels like we're going
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  Speaker 3: to have two mirror images in the World Series if
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  Speaker 3: the Brewers finish off the Dodgers like we expect them
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  Speaker 3: to and whoever comes out of the American League.
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  Speaker 5: And it goes to show you it doesn't really matter
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  Speaker 5: what kind of payroll you have. the Brewers, the Rays,
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  Speaker 5: the Guardians, they seem to be clubs that have to
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  Speaker 5: be complete teams. One through nine have guys that can
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  Speaker 5: make contact up and down the lineup. Obviously, in this
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  Speaker 5: day and age, the big money teams don't necessarily spend
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  Speaker 5: a whole lot of cash on bullpens. All three of
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  Speaker 5: those teams outside of the Dodgers that are still playing
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  Speaker 5: are outstanding in the bullpen. Especially when starting pitchers are
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  Speaker 5: only going four and five innings like they are anymore,
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  Speaker 5: your relief pitching is going to make a big difference.
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  Speaker 5: So far, That's been huge for all three teams outside
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  Speaker 5: of the Dodgers. They're still alive. It almost seems like
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  Speaker 5: those teams, it really doesn't matter how much money you
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  Speaker 5: make or how much money you spend.
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  Speaker 6: It's really how much front offices know what they're doing.
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  Speaker 5: Brewers, Guardians, and Rays are three front offices that really
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  Speaker 5: know what they're doing, and that's why they're still playing
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  Speaker 5: this time of year.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, but hey, Brewers still got to close out those Dodgers.
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  Speaker 3: They're up 3-0. They haven't won the fourth game yet.
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  Speaker 3: Game four is tonight going for a sweep, 6 o'clock
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  Speaker 3: on Fox.
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  Speaker 2: One more break here.
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  Speaker 3: We'll discuss maybe a little. We got Tyson Whiting, former
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: voice of the Grizzlies here. Lots of hockey knowledge on
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: the other side of the glass here in our ESPN
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  Speaker 3: 700 Murdoch Hyundai Studios, Murdoch Chevy Studios.
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  Speaker 2: Let me get a little preview of the.
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  Speaker 3: Mammoth game tonight as they visit Connor McDavid and the
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  Speaker 3: Edmonton Oilers.
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  Speaker 2: We'll do that for a few minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Next, in about three minutes here on the Sean O'Connell Show,
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  Speaker 3: James Peterson filling in on Utah's number one sports talk,
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  Speaker 3: your home of the youths and your home for football,
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  Speaker 3: ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
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  Speaker 7: I'm being haunted.
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  Speaker 1: You're listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
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  Speaker 2: We're ending hour two.
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  Speaker 3: We'll begin hour three a little bit late in classic
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  Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell Show style.
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  Speaker 2: James Peterson filling in. By the way, this song.
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  Speaker 3: Is uh something in my house feeling by dead or
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  Speaker 3: alive shout out to texter 1466 yesterday who uh requested
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: this one as we're gonna play we're gonna try to
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: play at least one halloween spooky type song throughout the
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  Speaker 3: month of october the day before halloween just get ready
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  Speaker 3: for a lot of halloween music all right it's a
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  Speaker 3: friday Um, but until then we'll do, we'll do one
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  Speaker 3: a day. Today's is the something in my house feeling
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  Speaker 3: by dead or alive. Shout out to texture 1466 who
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: requested that, um, yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: And that, that was for you.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what? I hadn't heard that one before.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: Kind of a banger Tyson. All right.
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  Speaker 6: That's pretty good. Halloween produces some really good music.
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  Speaker 2: It does. It does.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, to close out our two, as we technically say,
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  Speaker 3: as you look at the clock, have begun Hour 3.
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  Speaker 3: Radio Magic, stay with me here. Tyson Whiting, former voice
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: of the Utah Grizzlies. You know he knows hockey, guys. Tyson,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: the Mammoth, off to a great start, visiting another team
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: off to a really good start, and who just recently
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: went to back-to-back Stanley Cup Finals. Lost in seven games,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: lost in six games, just right there, close to a
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: Stanley Cup. Edmonton Oilers, who feature only Connor freaking McDavid,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: all right? This game's in Edmonton, 7 o'clock tonight. Utah
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: 16 over the air if you got the antenna. Mammoth Plus,
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: you're watching it otherwise. If you're out of market, you
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: can catch it on ESPN Plus as well, but most
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: of you are going to be watching it on one
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: of those other two channels. Tyson, what do you expect
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: tonight in Edmonton from this Mammoth team who's looking really
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: good to start the season?
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 6: The Mammoth are 5-2. They're 3-2 on the road.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 5: A lot of their goals on Tuesday against Toronto in
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 5: the 5-4 victory came in the transition game where they
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 5: utilized defense, turned defense into offense, showed a lot of
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 5: patience in open ice, and were able to come away
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 5: with some big goals. This is an interesting matchup because Edmonton,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: after losing their regular season opener in overtime to Vancouver,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 5: they have won five in a row, and after allowing
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 5: 13 goals in the first two games, the Oilers have
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 5: only allowed five goals in the last four games, and
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: that's certainly big because you've got Connor McDavid, who's got
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 5: 15 points in his last five games. You've got Leon Dreisaitl,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 5: year in and year out, scores 40 to 50 goals.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 5: Edmonton's really working on building a little bit of depth,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 5: and Mike Babcock is trying to get that defensive identity
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 5: that's going to get them working in the playoffs. And
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 5: so Edmonton's a club that's really played some good hockey
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 5: to start the season.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 6: Edmonton likes to play fast.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 5: Mammoth like to play fast, and as a result, I
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 5: think it's going to be a very exciting game, not
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 5: only tonight, but Saturday night.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 6: They're playing a home-and-home.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 5: Over a three-day stretch, and so Saturday night, the Oilers
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 5: are going to be at Delta Center. I know there's
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 5: going to be so many games on Saturday night, but
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 5: that would be a fun one to watch because Edmonton
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 5: likes to play fast. Mammoth like to play fast. Both
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 5: teams' goaltenders haven't been outstanding to start the year, so
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 5: I think we're going to get a couple high-scoring, exciting games.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 6: Probably 5-4 on Tuesday night.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 5: We're probably going to see a couple 5-4 type of
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 5: games when the Mammoth take on the Oilers in the home-and-home.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 5: They're on the road Thursday, and they'll be at Delta
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 5: Center on Saturday.
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  Speaker 3: If you like offense, you want to tune into these games.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: Whether you go to the Delta Center on Saturday, watch
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: it on TV, and tonight you're watching it on TV
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: because I doubt many of you are making the trek
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: across the border. To Edmonton to watch tonight. Maybe some
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: of you are. Shout out to you guys. That'd be
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: quite the trip to go to. And any chance, like
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: on Saturday when Edmonton's in town, any chance you get
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: to see an all-time great. And Edmonton's got two of them, right?
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: But particularly Connor McDavid. I mean, you want to take
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: advantage of that, right, Tyson?
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 5: It's certainly worth it every time. And interestingly enough, Saturday
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 5: night you've got the superstars in town. But this is
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 5: almost like a superstar month. is on Monday, Sidney Crosby,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 5: Evgeny Malkin, and Chris Letang, and the Pittsburgh Penguins are
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 5: going to be in town. And then Tampa comes to
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 5: town later on next week, and they've got some superstars
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 5: with Vasilevsky and Nett, and Nikita Kucherov, and former Utah
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 5: Grizzly legend, Charles Edward Das, who's on that Tampa Bay
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 5: roster as well. And then Minnesota, the last home game
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 5: in October, they've got Kaprizov and Quinn Hughes, and Minnesota's
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 5: got some pretty good stars as well. So, It's almost
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 5: like a superstar month over at Delta center with the
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 5: quality of superstars coming to town over the next few
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 5: home games.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: So got their hands full over the next few weeks
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: here against facing off against some really good players, teams
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: with really good players. And it starts tonight against the
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: Edmonton Oilers real quick before we break Tyson and we'll
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: get to addition with.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: Devin, the replay of that.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: We had it live yesterday because of a, Different schedule
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: because of fall break for Devin this week, so we
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: did it live on the show yesterday. We'll bring it
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: back to you on the other side of this segment
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: coming up in a few minutes here. Before we do that, though, Tyson,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: you mentioned Mike Babcock. controversial hire and kind of a
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: controversial firing.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: Was it Chris Knobloch? Did I get that right?
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 5: Chris Knobloch was with Edmonton and it looked like he
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 5: was doing a pretty good job.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: Guided them to back-to-back Stanley Cup final appearances. Losses, but
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: still three straight playoff appearances. They turned to the veteran
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: Mike Babcock, but this is a guy who in his
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: last couple of stops, not been very well liked. Had
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: some controversy follow him. It looks like They don't have
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: any regulation losses this year, as you mentioned. They've won
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: five in a row. It looks like, for now, seems
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: to be working really well. But I just want to
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: get your thoughts on that move, kind of controversially hiring
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: a guy like Mike Babcock, who has won cups before, right?
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 6: He's won one cup, and he's been to three Stanley
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 6: Cup finals.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: But he's had, like I said, a controversial recent history
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: as a coach.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 5: Well, he was hired by Columbus, and then they fired
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 5: him before he coached the game. I think he was
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 5: going through players' phones and whatever, just kind of weird stuff.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 5: And then everybody comes out with these Mike Babcock stories
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 5: about how much they hated playing for him. And so
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 5: you thought that Mike Babcock was done, that you hoped
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 5: they'd saved enough money that he can just kind of
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 5: retire and maybe get a TV job. But even then,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 5: it seemed like that would be kind of murky because
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: it seemed like a lot of people that had been
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 5: around Mike Babcock don't necessarily like him. But the Oilers
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: are betting on his track record of winning. After all,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 5: his first year as an NHL head coach was with
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 5: the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim, and they went to the
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 5: finals in 2003. And almost immediately, he built a reputation
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: as being one of the top coaches in the National
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 5: Hockey League. Had that good run with Detroit, and then
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 5: even in Toronto, he won quite a bit there, even
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 5: though it wasn't necessarily playoff success. He does have a
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 5: winning record in the playoffs. And so they're betting on
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: Mike Babcock winning. being able to relate to the young players,
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: in particular, relate to their superstars. And if the superstars
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 5: buy in, they think that they've found the missing ingredient,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 5: the missing piece to winning a Stanley Cup. Obviously, for Edmonton,
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 5: goaltending is going to be something to watch out for.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 5: They're more of an offensive-style team, so they kind of
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 5: leave the goaltending hanging to dry a little bit. And
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: so that's going to be a big question for them
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: down the stretch. But Edmonton certainly is a fascinating club
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: because they do have the star power to go all
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  Speaker 5: the way.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. So, again, Mammoth.
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  Speaker 3: In Edmonton tonight, taking on Connor McDavid, Leon Dreisaitl, and
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: the Oilers. 7 o'clock, Mammoth Plus or Utah 16. If
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 3: you're out of market, listen on the app. You'll be
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: able to watch it on ESPN Plus as well. Dishing
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: with Devin, a replay of that. If you missed it yesterday,
• 1:46:51
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 9: Welcome in QB number one at the University of Utah,
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 9: Devin Dampier, signal caller leader for a 5-0 Utah football team.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: Dev, welcome to the show once again. How are you?
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: Man, doing good, doing good.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: How does it feel to be 5-0?
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 10: You know, I would say it feels just about right, honestly.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 10: It's Confidence I got in my team, this is a
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 10: position where we've talked.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 8: About being at, and we're just going week by week,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 8: and we're doing what we said we would do.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 9: We'll look back at Kansas a little bit, look forward
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 9: to Colorado here in just a second. But, uh, did the,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 9: did the Jayhawks surprise you at all?
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 8: Um, no, I thought the Jayhawks were a pretty good
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 8: team when we went in there. I mean, they competed
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 8: pretty well with, uh, even their two losses before us,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 8: you know, they, they competed pretty well.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 4: With them also.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 8: So, um, uh, I knew it was going to be
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 8: a game, and I'm just happy how it ended up
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 8: turning out.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 9: You finished the game 23 of 30, 238 yards, three touchdowns,
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 9: and an interception. I wanted to talk to you about
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 9: the efficiency of this offense, especially in first possessions of
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 9: the game.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you're aware of this.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 9: You all have scored a touchdown on all five of
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 9: your opening possessions. As a team, you've only trailed, I think,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 9: for four and a half minutes, and that's because somebody
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 9: else got the ball first.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: When we're talking about that, a hot.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 9: Start and starting off the right way with a scoring
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 9: drive and a touchdown scoring drive, not just a field goal,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 9: what kind of tone does that set for all of
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 9: you in knowing that your preparation was done the right
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 9: way and knowing that the game's going to go fine?
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and, you know, that's something that doesn't get talked
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 8: about a lot, but, yeah, I do love the way
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 8: we start on both sides of the ball. You know,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 8: normally when defense goes out there first, they normally get
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 8: us a good position where maybe we're starting at the 35. So,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 8: I mean, they shorten the distance for us to have
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 8: to march down there. And just as offense, you know,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 8: we take it a little bit personal when a team
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 8: feels good about giving us the ball first. You know,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 8: a lot of teams do that, so their defense gets
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 8: out there and gets a stop.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 4: But we definitely take it personal. I'm like, all right, better.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 8: If you want our offense out there first, we're going
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 8: to make you pay for it.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 4: That's just the mentality.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 9: I like that that's the mentality because, that's not why
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 9: they're doing it. They're doing it so they can get
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 9: the first possession of the second half, but you guys
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 9: turn it into motivation.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: All right. So tell me what you saw from Ricky Johnson.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 9: It went in practice and in the game this week
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 9: to where you felt like maybe this was going to
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 9: be his breakout day.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: And it was five catches, 104 yards and a touchdown.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, Ricky's been proving himself for a long
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 8: time now. I'm pretty sure there's an interview of me
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 8: saying Ricky was someone that I thought was impressive in
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 8: the spring and fall, and so did Scali.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 4: He brought him up in the fall.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 8: Also, just some players that were going to end up
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 8: emerging at some point this year. I'm just happy to see,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 8: you know, Rick. Rick's been working to have those opportunities, and,
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 8: I mean, he made the most.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 4: Of every single ball that came his way. The only one.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 8: He didn't capture is him Going for getting a P.I.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 4: Call.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 8: So just when the ball goes his way, you know,
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 8: he's doing a pretty good job with making the most
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 8: out of his opportunities.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: What is he like personality wise?
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 9: Because he was on the postgame show on the radio
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 9: and he's got the coolest accent. And then Morgan Scali
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 9: came on right after. And they were like, Oh, we
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 9: just talked to Ricky Johnson. And Morgan was like, did
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 9: he say anything? Cause he's a quiet kid. So, so Rick,
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 9: he didn't seem like he was a quiet kid when
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 9: they were doing the interview with them. But then Morgan
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 9: was like, yeah, he never says anything.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 8: So Ricky, Ricky's like the ultimate, like dude, you can't
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 8: get the talk unless like he feels ultimately comfortable. Like,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 8: I've never heard Ricky talk before we went to our
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 8: Arizona trip. I've probably heard Ricky say 10 words the
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 8: whole entire spring. And then that summer when we kind
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 8: of forced.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 4: Him to be with all of us for... Seven days straight.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 8: And, you know, by day two, like, Ricky was starting conversations.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 4: It was funny to see, like, him open up.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 8: So I think I've built that comfortableness with him where,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 8: you know, he talks to me. We've been playing Fortnite now.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 8: I've been getting on the game with him. But, yeah,
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 8: Ricky's a character, bro.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 4: I love him.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 9: Got a lot of talent in that wide receiver room
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 9: as we have talked about a lot. Ricky with five catches,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 9: BP with seven for 72. Creed Whittemore got involved. You
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 9: got the ball to Noah Benny, Daniel Bray. But the
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 9: one that really got the fan base going was a
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 9: one-yard pass to Semmy. Semmy Talanga on that option play.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 9: You pull the ball and you throw the touchdown pass.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 9: And it was like, I mean, that was a crucial,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 9: crucial moment for in the game. Kansas, to their credit,
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 9: had made it a game, and you guys needed to
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 9: score there, and you needed to convert on fourth down,
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 9: and the play call gives you the option to throw
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 9: to big number 99.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: Tell me what you saw. Tell me about the read,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: and of course, the result. Yeah.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 8: Man, there's a point where I handed off Timmy.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 8: A run play and he went for a yard and
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 8: the crowd got real loud. So when we got to
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 8: that fourth down and I knew semi had a chance
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 8: to get in the ball, I was like, I thought
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 8: I already knew, like I, I seen him already scoring
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 8: in my head.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 4: Like, Oh, the crowd, let the crowd love to see,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 4: should be scored touchdowns.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 8: But, uh, Matt, Maggie, he talked to us after he
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 8: was like, You know, four down, me calling that. He
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 8: said it with confidence to the coaches, like, yeah, let's
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 8: run that.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 4: And then after he put the mic down, he was like,
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 4: all right.
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  Speaker 8: So he told us after the game, it was the
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 8: way we all laugh, and then the offense will be there. Yeah, no,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 8: perfect call, honestly. Being so close in there, you know,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 8: they sleep on those guys being able to catch the ball.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 4: So it all worked out.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 9: And, look, you were able to freeze the defense with
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 9: the play action and the fake to weigh, Sean.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: You had the option to give that ball there, right?
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 4: Yep, I had the option to give it and, I mean,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 4: weigh it.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 8: Wade's been playing tremendous. There's a lot of good plays
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 8: where the.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 4: Whole line makes holes for him.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 8: There's also plays where Wade's getting touched minus one and
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 8: somehow turned it into an A-yard gain. I'm like, I've
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 8: been telling him just keep that up, bro.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 4: We need it.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 8: We're feeding off of it. And that's exactly how Semi
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 8: got open. I mean, Wade's playing his heart out. Those
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 8: guys respect him running the ball.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: He just opened up the offense for other people as well.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: If you had given it, he would have got in.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 9: Bill Riley on the radio call actually thought you had
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 9: given it. He called it a touchdown for a way
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 9: shot and had to go back and The backtrack and
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 9: correct himself. And everyone was happy to see semi, but
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 9: as long as we're talking about way, Sean, there's a,
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 9: there's a scenario in this game where your defense gets
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 9: a much needed stop and it's still close. And the
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 9: outcome is at least in, on some level, still up
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 9: in doubt. And now you are all you're backed up
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 9: against your own end zone. You're, you know, you're standing
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 9: in the North end zone. when you're taking these snaps
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 9: or when you're dropping back, what are your thoughts and
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 9: what is the conversation like with your teammates when you're
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 9: backed up and you've got to go 99 yards to
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 9: get the score? Of course, it only took a few plays.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 9: We'll get to that here in a second. But when
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 9: you're going out there and your defense has got you
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 9: that stop and stole some of the momentum back, what
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 9: were you thinking?
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I just brought together the offense, and, you.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 4: Know, this is our time to shine.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 8: This is when, you know, this is when pressure hits us.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: As offense, and, you know, what are we going to
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 4: do about it?
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  Speaker 8: We've been in this situation before, you know, Coach Cowley,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 8: puts us in a lot of situational drill throughout the year. And,
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 8: you know, we've done back-up periods so many times. And,
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 8: you know, we're able to get out of those on
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 8: our defense.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 4: So just the confidence.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 8: We've built, we're just like, hey, this is another time
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 8: to be the most efficient we can.
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  Speaker 4: And I thought, you know, we did pretty well getting
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  Speaker 4: out of there.
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  Speaker 9: Well, you got the pass to BP for, you know,
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 9: kind of get you out of the shadow of the
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 9: end zone, right, to give you a little bit of
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 9: breathing room. And then Wayshawn Parker takes it 90 yards,
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 9: which it was good to see him get that one
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 9: back because a couple weeks ago he had one that
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 9: was called back on a penalty. So big long run
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 9: from that Wildcat formation for Wayshawn Parker. Were you motioned
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 9: out as a wide receiver, or were you on the sideline?
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 4: Yep, I was.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 8: All that receiver at that play.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 9: Now, when you're standing out there as a wide receiver
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 9: and you're watching that go, tell.
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  Speaker 2: Me how it is.
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  Speaker 8: In my head, I'm just always like, well, he's going
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 8: to get it.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 4: So I'm just like, I'm just like that. But then I.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 8: Low-key seen him, like, I can tell when Way, like,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 8: sees a crease.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 4: There's like a... he's got like a movement.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 8: I've just, I've been able to like tell where you
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 8: can see a crease and he.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 4: Stuck it and just hit it. And I was like, Oh,
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 4: he might be gone. And sure enough, that boy was gone.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 9: I'll tell you it's, there's no guarantee in today's like
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 9: era of college football that even when you get to
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 9: that second level, no contact when you got 90 yards
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 9: to go, some of these DBS are really fast.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: And way sean's not like a long strider he's.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 9: Not a guy that we think of as like the
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 9: biggest breakout speed but uh you know he took all
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 9: the bad weight off himself in the off season no
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 9: one was going to catch him and again that's not
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 9: like a foregone conclusion in college football because how fast
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 9: some of these corners are nobody was touching.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 8: Him yeah i mean the fact way probably way 25,
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 8: 30 pounds more than the corners and running at the
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 8: same speed or even faster.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 4: I think he hit 23 miles an hour.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 8: That's where they caught the man.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 7: 23?
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. He was sliding.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 4: He was sliding. At like 210?
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: Or whatever he is. That's a, that's the kind of stuff.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 9: That's the tape that NFL coaches and NFL scouts are
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 9: going to be like, yeah, let me get that guy.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 8: Speaker 3 What's funny is that was the first time
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 8: he hit that high of a number. So now scally's like,
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 8: all right, so now we know what your 90% is
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 8: every week when you got to hit the top three.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 4: So that has gone up.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 9: He just hurt himself in practice by going. Oh, Devin,
• 1:58:35
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• 1:58:49
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 9: You know, I got to do this to you. A
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 9: couple of turnovers in this game. Tell me what happened
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 9: on both of those plays.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I can have the first one. I
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 4: just think I can have.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 8: Better pocket movement out there. You know, I thrive on
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 8: my pocket movement and being able to help our O-line when,
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 8: you know, the things don't go right for them.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 4: I'm always back there being able to recover.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 8: So just pocket movement definitely could have helped the first turnover.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 8: And yeah, I mean, just the second turnover, me and
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 8: BP were just on different terms. He thought I was
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 8: throwing him farther than I was and Yeah, it just,
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 8: it happens. You, you get to game five, you know,
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 8: I think that was the first interception where, you know,
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 8: I kind of threw one, um, just not being pressured
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 8: or anything.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 4: So, I mean, it, it, it comes with the game, but, um,
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 4: you know, I, I think.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 8: The biggest part that I took away from that is
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 8: just how we responded, honestly. Um, you know, gate, everything's
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 8: not going to be perfect, but the way you respond
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 8: definitely matters to me and my team.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 4: And, you know, I think we take full advantage of that.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 9: Well, yeah, obviously you guys responded well, and we've talked
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 9: a little bit about your process of, of making sure
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 9: you put the bad stuff out of your mind and
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 9: there are going to be broken plays like that. There
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 9: are going to be errant throws. There are going to
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 9: be fumbles from you or whoever else, like you have
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 9: to overcome those things in football. There is no such
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 9: thing as perfection in this game. in that particular case, right?
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 9: Do you go and you talk to BP and say, Hey,
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 9: that's not what I was doing. We got the wrong
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 9: read on each other. Do you go and take that
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 9: moment you've described by yourself and just like flush it
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 9: in the actual game against Kansas?
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: How did you move on from that, that throw?
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I definitely wouldn't imagine what the BP and half
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 8: what he was thinking and stuff like that. But I mean,
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 8: I always take full credit. That's, it's me putting the
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 8: ball out there it's me making those decisions so but
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 8: I just want to make sure if the situation ever
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 8: comes back again you know we're on the same page
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 8: we're clicking but I don't really stress too much I
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 8: get I do get a little quieter than I want
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 8: to be at times when when things go bad just
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 8: because I need to breathe I need to just reset
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 8: my my system that's that's how I've always got through
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 8: things is just breathe calm down get my heart rate
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 8: back down low and Um, so that's a little bit
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 8: of how I get, um, but still learning how to
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 8: be a leader at the same time, still encouraging my team,
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 8: let them know, you know, I'm not quiet because I'm
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 8: down on myself. I'm, I'm quiet because I'm, I'm calming
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 8: myself down.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 4: Because, um, you know, there's no need to panic mode.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 9: So, uh, to me when I'm watching, uh, the, the,
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 9: the running version of Devin Dampier this year looks healthier.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 9: Looks like, you know, your body moves twitchier than it
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 9: did last year for obvious reasons, because you were, you
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 9: were at this point in the season, if I'm not mistaken,
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 9: you were already dealing with some stuff last year when
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 9: you watch yourself running or when you're evaluating your tape,
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 9: 17 carries 71 yards and a touchdown in this game.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: Uh, How are you evaluating yourself? What do you want
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: to see more of?
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 9: What are you satisfied with, et cetera, when it comes
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 9: to you running the ball, carrying the football?
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think, you know, the mindset of the way
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 8: Mac G just calls offense and things like that is
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 8: anytime I'm running the ball, there's always an option to
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 8: pass the ball. So, you know, I'm always trying to
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 8: Just take whatever is the best opportunity, honestly. Whatever is
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 8: going to move the change, what I feel confident in,
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 8: that's the decision I make. I feel like the run
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 8: game isn't as heavy as it was last year on me.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 4: It's kind of up to me if I choose to
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 4: end up running in those gaps or not.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 8: Honestly, I've been pretty fine with the amount of hits
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 8: I feel like I've been taking.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 4: I feel like I've been taking the safer route on.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 8: Getting hit this year just to prevent the injury of
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 8: sides of things because that contains a lot of experience
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 8: from last year.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 4: Just playing and running the ball on the safer side.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 8: Also, I mean, Wayshawn, I got unbelievable faith in him
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 8: that he's going.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 4: To go make some out of nothing. I have Full
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 4: intentions of giving the ball whatever I can to win.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 9: We talked about this also. You're a football player, ultimately.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 9: You don't shy away from contact. You don't mind contact.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 9: You're physically strong. So was that process of learning to
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 9: take the safer route, was that a natural thing for you?
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: How much effort went into that?
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 4: Um... I would say the injury probably did that to me. Okay.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 4: It's one of those things where you test the limits
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 4: of something until it goes the other way.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 8: I think that was.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 4: The most severe injury I've ever had in my career.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 8: So just having that, it definitely shifted my mindset where
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 8: this past spring and fall, we're practicing diving. Diving instead
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 8: of sliding, especially with the concussion thing that goes on
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 8: from QB sliding. We just practice diving instead. Taking a hit,
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 8: just being more, not going full head-on with the hit,
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 8: just learning to brace the hit, fall away from where
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 8: you get hit from.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 4: Just small things like that.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 8: That can definitely help the fall and the hit.
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  Speaker 2: You're listening to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 9: Devin Dampier, starting quarterback at the University of Utah, is
• 2:04:39
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  Speaker 9: Valley Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling. All right, so now it's
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 9: another road trip. Crazy, you're getting into the midpoint of
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 9: the season. This is only the second road game. You
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 9: got to go on the road to Boulder. This is
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 9: a Colorado team that has a lot of things to
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 9: figure out right now. There's a couple of familiar faces there.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 9: that side that we'll get to here in just a
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 9: second but uh what are your initial thoughts on this
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 9: colorado buffaloes team given the tape you've seen.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah i mean i think they've been completing their games
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 8: pretty well i think you know they had times where
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 8: um you know the game started to get the best
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 8: of them at times but uh i mean they just
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 8: came off a bye week you know i think it's
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 8: They got kind of rid of a couple players on
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 8: their team. They're trying to make that shift so they
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 8: can be the most prepared going into the rest.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 4: Of the season. I'm expecting a good opponent to come
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 4: out there.
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  Speaker 8: We've got to put our best foot forward when we
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 8: go against them.
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  Speaker 9: Former Ute Isaac Wilson has been given the start opposite you.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: He'll be the opposing quarterback.
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  Speaker 9: And in the modern era of college football, this is
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 9: a much more normal thing where you play against a
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 9: former teammate, you know, maybe every dang week in this conference. Also,
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 9: Stokes is over there. What does that do? Does that
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 9: change anything? How do you react to that?
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that really changes too much. Yeah,
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 4: I honestly think it's just, it kind of just, we
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 4: respect those guys, we love those guys.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 8: You know, football, after you've been around somebody for so long,
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 8: you know, you do genuinely care for them. But, man,
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 8: football is football, you know, and they know that as well.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 8: You know, when the time comes, we strap those helmets on.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 4: You know, it's all about what happens on that field.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 4: And then, you know, afterwards, we'll definitely show our love
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 4: to each other and, you know, go on.
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  Speaker 9: Does Deion Sanders being the head coach change the vibe
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 9: at all?
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  Speaker 2: Because, I mean, he's.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 9: One of the greatest defensive backs of all time. He's
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 9: one of the greatest overall NFL football players of all time.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 9: He's an icon, and he's the competition, and obviously you
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 9: don't have a ton of interaction with an opposing head coach,
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 9: but does it change anything at all for you or
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 9: any player on this team?
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 4: I don't think so. I think, you know, we.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 8: We respect anyone that's able to earn a head coach
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 8: job in college football. You know, you gain kind of
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 8: a lot of respect to be in that position and
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 8: do what you do. So, you know, I think we
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 8: treat everybody, you know, pretty equal. I think he's had
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 8: an amazing career in the NFL, though, no doubt. Definitely
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 8: respected in that area. But just as a head coach-wise,
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 8: you know, we.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 4: Respect everybody we go against.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 8: It's hard to have a job in college football. So
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 8: if you have one, you know, there's definitely respect towards
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 8: your name.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: We didn't talk about this yet.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 9: Against Kansas, the kickoff time got moved up, which was
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 9: very weird. I mean, from the fan, even from like
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 9: just I'm going to go to the game perspective, it
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 9: was strange. because you have, you know, your, your routine
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 9: already pictured in your mind. And again, not as a player,
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 9: just as a person, like, all right, I'm going to
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 9: take the kids and do this.
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: And then I'm going to put them to bed and
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: then I'm going to get to the game and it'll
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: be perfect timing.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 9: And then you get a text or a tweet and
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 9: it's like, nope, moving this thing up to avoid the
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 9: bad weather.
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 2: What did that do to you guys?
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 9: Because obviously it's scheduled out a lot more carefully for
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 9: players than it is for fans. And you got late
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 9: notice that this kickoff was being pushed up.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: How was it handled?
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 4: Um, I think it was honestly fine. Um, you know,
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 4: it ain't the team. It's a late starter. I won't
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 4: say it's not, but, uh, for it to get moved
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 4: up to sixes, it's like, okay, Ben, we just, for us.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 10: It just became, we had less time, uh, at the
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 10: hotel of off time.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 4: That's really all that kind of broke down.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 8: We had, we had like about two hours of off
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 8: time at the hotel instead of we would have had
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 8: four or fill that eight. So, um, not, not too
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 8: different with that timing.
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 9: Uh, uh, I was a skeptic. I'm superstitious. So I
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 9: was like, I don't know about a whiteout in a
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 9: night game. And ultimately, it looked great. You guys looked great.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 9: The whole team played great. You got the win. That's
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 9: all that really matters. What did you make of the whiteout?
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 9: First one at Rice Echo Stadium at night.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was excited when they got presented.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 8: And especially seeing the helmets like a whole like two
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 8: months ago.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: It was like.
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 4: And, you know, Scali asked for some of our preferences
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 4: on what we would change and stuff.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 8: And I felt like, you know, us guys, we were
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 8: able to make the helmet just slightly better.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 4: It was already tough.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 2: Tell me the changes.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 9: Tell me the artistic expression of Devin Dampier. What made
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 9: that helmet better? What did you bring in that maybe
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 9: we would not have seen if it weren't for your opinions?
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 8: I think the original, the original, the helmet was a
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 8: little bit more gray.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 4: So it stood out from the white.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 8: So we wanted it to flow better with all white uniforms.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 8: So we had them lightened. lighten the gray of the,
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 8: which was like the main color of the helmet was
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 8: kind of grayish.
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 4: So we just, we kind of made that the white and.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 8: Then made everything else the gray to pop out and
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 8: stuff like that.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 4: But the red, the red U was on there already. Um,
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 4: there was a couple, I think there was some on
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 4: the back that we took off maybe just to add
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 4: more snow, snow falling on the helmet. But yeah, it was,
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 4: it was already kind of there. We just, we just,
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 4: Put a little dab in it.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 9: Well, they looked great. Now, somebody texted this. We were
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 9: talking about this, I think, on Monday. If Devin Dampier
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 9: wants to keep his hand-painted special edition helmet, do you
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 9: get to keep that and put it in the home office?
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 8: For the previous years, we've had to buy them if
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 8: we want the helmets or not. Um, but I mean, they're,
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 8: they're at a pretty affordable price for us to.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 4: Be able to get them.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 8: So I think, I think this might be the helmet
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 8: I do buy the first light out.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 4: Uh, definitely is going to have to happen. All right.
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: You already had that plan for like, where are you
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: going to like keep all this stuff?
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 9: Do you already have a spot in the house where
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 9: you keep your memorabilia?
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 2: You're just at the beginning of this whole journey.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 9: Well, you know, you're going to have NFL jerseys and
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 9: all that stuff to worry about, but do you, do
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 9: you already know what that looks like in your mind?
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 4: You know, I got an idea. You know, it's hard
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 4: to exactly.
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 8: Make one of those right now when you're, like, living in.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 4: It, if that makes sense. Yeah. Like, when I get
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 4: the helmet, I'm going to be like, I just wore it. So, like,
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 4: it isn't going to be, like, that cool yet.
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 8: But then, like, yeah, when I get, I don't know, second,
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 8: third year in my NFL career, then it's going to
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 8: be like, when I see the helmet and I walk
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 8: back to my house, it's going to be like, oh, yeah,
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 8: that was tough.
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: All right, well, when you get it, bring it into
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 2: the studio with you next time. We'll keep it for you.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 4: No problem.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 2: We'll put it back here behind me on the YouTube.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 4: You can hold it back in my house.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 11: Perfect.
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: Dev, good luck. Stay healthy in Colorado. Thanks for joining us.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 9: I know the schedule gets a little bit crazy sometimes,
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 9: and we appreciate you making time.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: And we'll talk to you soon.
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 4: You know it. Appreciate you. That is.
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 2: Edition with Devin.
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• 2:12:42
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• 2:12:53
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• 2:13:05
  Speaker 3: as well. It's Dishing with Devin, episode 22, counting back
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 3: to the start of last season. So another great one there.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 3: Appreciate Devin for making the time with us yesterday. Be
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 3: sure to go back and watch it or listen to
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 3: it if you haven't. You missed the whole thing, didn't
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 3: just hear it now, didn't hear it yesterday. Or you
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 3: want to hear it again. Great interview once again with O.C.,
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 3: And Devin Dampier. Okay, we have breaking news in college
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 3: football as far as the college football playoff is concerned.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 3: Bring that to you in the next segment here. We
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 3: also have an Advocates Injury Attorneys Injury Update in the
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 3: Big 12, which Utes are out, which Utes may not
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 3: play on Saturday. What's BYU versus Notre Dame looking like?
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 3: We'll break it down next on the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 2:13:56
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  Speaker 2: This is.
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• 2:14:21
  Speaker 3: All right, winding down the Sean O'Connell show. We got
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 3: one more segment after this. Spence Checketts will be in studio.
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 3: We'll do a little crosstalk and then hand it off
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 3: to him. We'll bridge that with, how about, it's not breaking,
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 3: breaking news, Tyson. This is now a couple hours old,
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 3: but we haven't had a chance to talk about it
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 3: on the show yet. Pete Thamel reporting that the college
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 3: football playoff is nearing a deal to expand to 24 teams.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 3: The new format will start next season in 2027 and
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 3: is expected to come together in the near future pending
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 3: final approval. So not officially official, but basically official 2014
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 3: playoffs starting next year, Tyson.
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 5: Well, you could say goodbye to the bowl season now.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, any bowl game, it's not a playoff game.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's hard to convince anybody to play in that.
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 3: I think that they're going to incorporate some of the
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 3: other bowls into the playoff games.
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: That's what I, and maybe they won't. That's what I
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 2: think they should do.
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 3: That seems like the most natural thing to do. Like
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 3: make these bowls mean something other than just exhibition games
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 3: against other good teams, right?
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: Like they've always been.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 3: There's probably going to be first-round games on campuses. I
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 3: honestly think as great as on-campus game atmospheres are, it's
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 3: almost nothing like it anywhere in sports, particularly here in
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 3: the U.S. Just make them all neutral sites. That's what
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 3: the bowl season's always been. And save the bowls that way,
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: in my opinion. But obviously on-campus games are great, too.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 3: So whatever they do there, I imagine the first round
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 3: will still be on campus like the 12-team playoff has been.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 3: And then they'll incorporate some of these other bowls that
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 3: aren't New Year's 6 into the other rounds.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 6: We'll see.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 5: You almost have to because you think about fans probably
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 5: trying to calculate, all right, do I make one trip,
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 5: two trips? It's almost like those fans are like, I
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 5: can maybe make two trips to wherever they're going to
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 5: play those playoff games, but they can't make like four
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 5: or five trips. different trips over a month stretch true
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 5: because you know those vacations they take time you know
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 5: they take time and a whole lot of money especially
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 5: towards the christmas season and so that's why you probably
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 5: are going to see a lot of games on college
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 5: campuses until maybe the the round of eight or at
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 5: least around a 12 or something like that yeah.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah we'll see how it goes again not officially official
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 3: it's pending final approvals according to pete thamel But the
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 3: CFP expected to expand next year from 12 to 24 teams.
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 3: This is what we kind of have been told is
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 3: going to happen eventually. So not a huge surprise that
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 3: it's going to start as soon as next season. And
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's a bad thing to have, obviously,
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 3: more teams in the playoff.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: This is probably as much as it needs to be, though.
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: 24 teams.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 3: I think 16 is probably the most it should be.
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 3: 24 certainly probably shouldn't expand anymore. But then the men's
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 3: NCAA and women's NCAA basketball tournaments, March Madness, is expanding
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 3: to 76 this year. So I'm sure it's going to
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 3: get into the 30s at some point. I just feel
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 3: like let's just keep it at 24 if that's where
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 3: we're going.
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 5: We're almost by the year 2040. Everybody's going to get
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 5: invited to the party, whether you went 0 and 12
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 5: or 12 and 0.
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 130 team college football playoff thereabouts. Let's go.
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 6: Can't leave anybody out.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 5: Can't leave any deserving team out, you know, regardless of
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 5: who you are and regardless of what your resume is.
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 6: Rutgers, come on down. You're a playoff team.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: If you want at least one game, if you were
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 3: at the lead at the half and at least one
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 3: of your games.
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 2: You're a playoff team.
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 6: Congratulations, Colorado Buffaloes. Coach Prime, you're a playoff team.
• 2:18:16
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• 2:19:04
  Speaker 3: Utah and Colorado, the Big 12 availability report. The first
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 3: one came out last night. It always comes out Wednesday night.
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 3: Utah has their cornerback J.C. Hart listed as out, and
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 3: linebacker Preston Pitts listed as doubtful. You don't want to
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 3: hear about guys being injured, Tyson, but that should be
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 3: pretty good news for Utes fans because those are guys that,
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 3: all due respect, have not been a factor yet. in
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 3: any of the games this season at their positions on
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 3: the defensive side. So that means Carson Kalfusi, who's been
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 3: listed as questionable on the initial injury report for much.
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 2: Of this season.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 3: Isaiah Garcia, Ike Garcia on the offensive line, he's been
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 3: on the injury report every game. Listed as questionable or out,
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 3: has not played a game yet. He's not on this
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 3: initial injury report. So all your key players should be
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 3: available unless, knock on wood, something happens in practice between
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 3: now and game time, all of your key players should
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 3: be available if the injury reports continue to look like this.
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 5: Well, some teams across the country, their injury lists are huge.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 5: You know, 10, 15 guys. But for Utah to only
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 5: have a couple players on there, that certainly is huge
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 5: as soon as we head into the second half of
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 5: the season.
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 3: Colorado, they only have one notable guy on their report.
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 3: They got a lot of guys on their report, but
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 3: one really notable one, it's Lamont Lester Jr. He's their
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 3: sack leader. He's second for them in tackles for loss.
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 3: He's listed as questionable. So there you go. No injury
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 3: report for BYU Notre Dame because it's not a conference game,
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 3: of course, so you only get these for Big 12 games.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 3: But we found out, or it was reported, It was
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 3: put out there earlier this week. Isaiah Glasker, who missed
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 3: the Iowa State game, he's expected to play.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: L.J.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 3: Martin's still out for a number of weeks here. Sione Moa.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 3: I'll say it like this. It sounds like he's cleared
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 3: medically to play, but they have not said that he's
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 3: officially going to play yet, that they expect him to play.
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 3: He may sit out this week, the number two running
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 3: back who's been out all year long. But he's healthy
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 3: enough to play if they feel like he's ready. Tyson,
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 3: you're the BYU fan here. Noel J. Martin, Sonny Moen,
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 3: next best thing. This is big news for the Cougars.
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 3: That would certainly be huge if he could find a
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 3: way to play. But if he's going to play, I
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 3: think BYU is going to say at the very last
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 3: minute that he's going to play.
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 6: I think that they want to.
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 5: Maybe make it look like he's going to be out
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 5: so Notre Dame doesn't plan for him. Losing LJ Martin
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 5: is certainly huge because BYU wants to be a balanced offense,
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 5: especially when you've got a dual-threat quarterback like Bear Bachmeier.
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 5: So when you lose LJ Martin, who pretty much is
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 5: BYU's equivalent of Wayshon Parker, if the Utes lost Wayshon Parker,
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 5: it means the same thing to them. And so Bear
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 5: actually threw the ball pretty well in the last game
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 5: against Iowa State. And so they're probably going to need
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 5: 250 to 300 passing yards from Bear, and they're probably
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 5: going to need Bear to run the ball maybe a
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 5: little bit more. Instead of maybe him running it 10
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 5: times a game, maybe he needs to run it 15 times.
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 5: It's certainly going to be huge against this Notre Dame
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 5: team if Sione Mohawk can play because BYU needs at
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 5: least the threat of a running game to not be
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 5: so one-dimensional.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 3: So we'll see on that one. Keep you updated as
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 3: we hear more about those guys' status. It'll be a
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 3: lot more clear on the Utah game than the BYU
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 3: game because there's no official Big 12 injury report for
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 3: the BYU game, but we'll keep you apprised as we
• 2:22:39
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  Speaker 3: Real quick reminder of some top games that are happening today.
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 3: We're home in the Seahawks. They're facing the Broncos in
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• 2:23:27
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• 2:23:31
  Speaker 3: Tyson gave us the lowdown on that. 7 o'clock on
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  Speaker 3: just ended. The Cleveland Guardians now lead the Tampa Bay
• 2:23:42
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• 2:23:46
  Speaker 3: That one just went final a little bit ago. NLCS
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 3: game four tonight at six on Fox. The Milwaukee Brewers
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 3: might sweep the two-time defending World Series champion, superstar-studded L.A.
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• 2:24:05
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• 2:24:09
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• 2:24:13
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  Speaker 2: At 92.1 FM.
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  Speaker 3: All right, wrapping up the show here.
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  Speaker 2: James Peterson been filling.
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  Speaker 3: In for OC today. He's in Chicago calling PFL fights.
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  Speaker 3: He's out again tomorrow. I'll be with you again tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: We may... get him on from Chicago. Maybe air some
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  Speaker 3: grievances with him. We'll see if he's got the time
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  Speaker 3: to do that. But right now it's time for crosstalk
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  Speaker 2: Spence check. It's in studio. Spence.
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  Speaker 3: The question that I'm asking Utah fans today is what
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  Speaker 3: do you need to see from Utah against Colorado this week?
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  Speaker 2: And I, I preface this by saying.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds like a question you ask when they're playing.
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  Speaker 2: I know an FCS team, right?
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  Speaker 3: But it feels like even though they're a power four
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  Speaker 3: team and a conference opponent to boot, it feels like
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  Speaker 3: there's that much of a talent gap between Utah and Colorado.
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  Speaker 3: And even though it's a road game, it kind of
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  Speaker 3: feels like that's the kind of game we got on
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  Speaker 3: our hands.
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  Speaker 2: It's like obviously you want to win. Obviously you want
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  Speaker 2: to blow a.
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  Speaker 3: Team that you have that big a discrepancy with talent-wise.
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  Speaker 3: You want to blow them out even though it's on
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  Speaker 3: the road. So what else– do you need to see
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  Speaker 3: from this Utah team similar to the way we talk
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  Speaker 3: about when they're playing an FCS team?
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  Speaker 2: So what do you think?
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  Speaker 11: I feel a little bit similar as I did last
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  Speaker 11: week against Kansas because, you know, when you look at
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  Speaker 11: some of the deeper advanced metrics, Colorado's run defense isn't bad.
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  Speaker 11: And so Utah at least will have some pushback there.
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  Speaker 11: I don't think Colorado can stop Utah's run game. Kevin
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  Speaker 11: McGiven right now, as a result of an offensive line
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  Speaker 11: that's answered every question we've had, And a team that
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  Speaker 11: stayed relatively healthy. BYU is dealing with some injuries. And Utah,
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  Speaker 11: up to this point, has been more or less healthy.
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  Speaker 11: Every game, we see a different playmaker emerge. Ricky Johnson
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  Speaker 11: last week over 100 yards. You know, to your point,
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  Speaker 11: I don't think Colorado has near the talent Utah does.
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  Speaker 11: And this is one of those games that I wouldn't
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  Speaker 11: mind seeing over by the end of the third quarter.
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  Speaker 11: Get the players on ice. Make sure they're healthy because
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  Speaker 11: Houston is good. And this is a team. right now
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  Speaker 11: that has beaten every team they've played by 14 or
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  Speaker 11: more points. No team in college football has done that.
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  Speaker 11: By every data point and metric, they're one of the
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  Speaker 11: top two or three teams in the Big 12. And
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  Speaker 11: so just like an anxiety-free Saturday night, Isaac Wilson, who
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  Speaker 11: we know in the seven starts he made for Utah
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  Speaker 11: as a freshman, had eight, quote, big-time throws, 18 turnover-worthy plays.
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  Speaker 11: Isaac is a little bit like his brother. They can
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  Speaker 11: throw the football, but they're going to put it in
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  Speaker 11: spots where you talk and turn them over. So clean game,
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  Speaker 11: minimal penalties, no turnovers, leave no doubt. Good teams cover.
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  Speaker 11: I say it all the time. It's a 15 and
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  Speaker 11: a half point spread. That feels low to me. I
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  Speaker 11: actually think this is closer to a three touchdown game
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  Speaker 11: for Utah. And I'm starting to feel like I felt
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  Speaker 11: when Arkansas was here that I don't think Colorado has
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  Speaker 11: a prayer.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's how I feel about it too. Like
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  Speaker 3: I said, it feels ridiculous to be talking about a
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  Speaker 3: powerful conference opponent, the way, the way that we're thinking
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  Speaker 3: and talking about Colorado and, and hopefully that's not how
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  Speaker 3: the players and coaches are thinking about it, but us
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  Speaker 3: in the media, like that's what it feels like. And
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  Speaker 3: so I'm just looking for, let's not have another long
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  Speaker 3: stretch of an offensive lull where you three and out turnover,
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  Speaker 3: three and out, whatever that we've seen. It feels like
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  Speaker 3: at least one quarter a game this year. Let's eliminate that.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe extend that pick six streak against Isaac Wilson here.
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  Speaker 3: Let's have some more big defensive plays that I feel
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  Speaker 3: like have been lacking a little bit as good as
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  Speaker 3: the defensive end. We haven't had those big plays yet
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  Speaker 3: very much on the defensive side. That's what I'm looking
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  Speaker 3: for from Utah this week. We had some texters just
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  Speaker 3: simply say, just be more consistent, and I think that's
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  Speaker 3: more speaking to let's not have those offensive lulls.
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  Speaker 2: In the middle of this game.
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  Speaker 3: And this could be like a get right's not the
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  Speaker 3: right term because they're undefeated. Maybe it's like a perfect
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  Speaker 3: kind of game. Perfect the things that haven't been ideal.
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  Speaker 2: And I expect them to be able to do that
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  Speaker 2: this weekend.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, and look, Morgan, during his media availability on Monday,
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  Speaker 11: was asked if he's concerned about the lack of sacks, right?
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  Speaker 11: And he was emphatic that he's not. And so he's
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  Speaker 11: that coach. I will cede to him. But I want
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  Speaker 11: to see a defensive end get Isaac Wilson on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: Go even day, Lance Holtzclaw.
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  Speaker 11: And I do think that, you know, again, I've tried
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  Speaker 11: to analyze this team through what will it look like
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  Speaker 11: when Houston is here? What will it look like when
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  Speaker 11: BYU is here? What will it look like when you're
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  Speaker 11: at Arizona? Because I still think Arizona is a good team.
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  Speaker 11: And it's not a great litmus test once again, because
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  Speaker 11: Colorado is not very good, but if you can't get
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  Speaker 11: Isaac Wilson on the ground, bear Bachmeier is going to
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  Speaker 11: run over you, you know? And so I understand Morgan's point.
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  Speaker 11: And again, he is the head coach. So we will
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  Speaker 11: trust what he has to say. If he's not concerned
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  Speaker 11: about it, none of us really should be, but I
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  Speaker 11: I'd like to see a defensive end, get a sack.
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  Speaker 11: I I'd like to see them get Isaac on the ground. And, uh,
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  Speaker 11: you know, I want way Sean to be as healthy
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  Speaker 11: as possible, but I wouldn't mind seeing way Sean get
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  Speaker 11: 20 carries.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, he's averaged 10 yards of carry over his
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  Speaker 11: past two games. 100-plus yards receiving. He's the leading receiver
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  Speaker 11: in all of P4 football from the running back position.
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  Speaker 11: And he has a chance to win Big 12 Offensive
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  Speaker 11: Player of the Year. It's a tricky dance because you
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  Speaker 11: want to make sure he's healthy. But I'd like to
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  Speaker 11: see the kid get his numbers a little bit. I
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  Speaker 11: want to see him get 20 touches. I wouldn't mind that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And then we'll close it out with this, Vince.
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  Speaker 4: The.
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  Speaker 3: It's unofficially official. Pete Thamel put the tweet out there.
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  Speaker 3: There's going to be a 2014 playoff pending final approval
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  Speaker 3: is what the language is there starting next season. They've
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  Speaker 3: been talking about this like it's been inevitable, so none
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  Speaker 3: of us should be surprised, but it is starting as
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  Speaker 3: early as next season.
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  Speaker 2: Your thoughts?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, it's not great for people that are still holding
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  Speaker 11: on to the historical romance of college football. And I
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  Speaker 11: get that. I don't look yet. We need we need
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  Speaker 11: to be grown ups about this. OK, when the Supreme
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  Speaker 11: Court threw the NCAA out and said you are a
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  Speaker 11: serial antitrust violator, go figure it out. Paving the way
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  Speaker 11: for NIL to become a reality. And now these kids
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  Speaker 11: can get paid. And then the transfer portal allows them
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  Speaker 11: to change teams every single year. When those two things happened,
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  Speaker 11: it was an inevitability that this sport is going to
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  Speaker 11: move into a professional model. It already is there. So
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  Speaker 11: if and I want to be clear here, I miss
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  Speaker 11: parts of the old sport. OK, and this will dilute
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  Speaker 11: and diminish the regular season. And that sucks. There's no
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  Speaker 11: way around it. You know, one of the great this
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  Speaker 11: is the best regular season in sports, because if you
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  Speaker 11: lose a game, well, it's not going to matter anymore.
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  Speaker 11: But historically speaking, you lose one game. And your margin
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  Speaker 11: of error to win your league or advance to a
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  Speaker 11: CFP is very, very small. And we've already seen some
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  Speaker 11: Big Ten and SEC teams lose three games and be
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  Speaker 11: able to get into the 12-team CFP. So what is
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  Speaker 11: it going to mean moving forward? What does the access
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  Speaker 11: look like? The reality is it actually is good for
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  Speaker 11: a program like Utah, right? The schools that exist in
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  Speaker 11: the forever were either between 11 and 24.
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  Speaker 2: It's good for.
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  Speaker 11: Okay. So there's an argument to be made. This is
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  Speaker 11: actually good for Utah. Is it good for the overall,
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  Speaker 11: overall sport of college football? Probably not because it does
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  Speaker 11: diminish what I believe is the best regular season in
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  Speaker 11: all of sports. Unfortunately.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: What I'm afraid of is what we've seen with the
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  Speaker 3: NCAA tournament gradually over the years. We're now with March madness.
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  Speaker 3: We're now a 76 teams starting this year.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to get to 45 teams to the college
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  Speaker 3: football playoff. Like I, 24, I don't even know if
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  Speaker 3: it needs to be that big.
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  Speaker 2: I would have capped it at 16 maybe seems reasonable
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  Speaker 2: to me.
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  Speaker 3: 12, I've liked. It needed to be more than four.
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  Speaker 3: Let's be clear about that. There's some people who are like,
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  Speaker 3: four was the best.
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  Speaker 6: No, it wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: But if we're going to if we're already jumping to 24,
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  Speaker 3: then we're probably going to get over 30 teams in
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  Speaker 3: the playoff at some point. And I just like if
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  Speaker 3: we're going this far, let's just keep it this way
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  Speaker 3: for good.
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  Speaker 2: But that's not how things work in this sport.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, probably not.
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  Speaker 11: There's there's a side of the debate that says this
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  Speaker 11: is good for the middle class of college football.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: And is Utah in the middle class of college? The
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  Speaker 11: reality is, if you're in the Big 12, you're in
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  Speaker 11: the middle class of college football. Unless, you know, a
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  Speaker 11: Texas Tech with Cody Campbell money one year. is able
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  Speaker 11: to elevate if BYU beats Notre Dame on Saturday. Maybe
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  Speaker 11: we talk about them differently. But if you're in the
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  Speaker 11: Big 12, this is actually probably good because you do
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  Speaker 11: get access to the tournament. The reality is college football
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  Speaker 11: is not like college basketball. There will not be the
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  Speaker 11: 24th-ranked team win five games to win a national championship.
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  Speaker 3: You can have a mid-major make it to the Final Four,
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  Speaker 3: whatever equivalent like that.
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  Speaker 2: Is in college football.
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  Speaker 11: Tulane is not winning five straight games to win a
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  Speaker 11: national championship. That's not how it works. It's another step
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  Speaker 11: in college football becoming more of a pro model, and
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  Speaker 11: we can cry about it all we want. There's part
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  Speaker 11: of me that doesn't like it, but we have to
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  Speaker 11: be adults and realize where we're at with the sport.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, and like you said, in the short term, Utah's
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  Speaker 3: probably going to make the playoff most years. BYU's probably
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  Speaker 3: going to make the playoff most years in this 2014 field,
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  Speaker 3: so kind of embrace that, I guess, if you're feeling
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  Speaker 3: kind of like us, where you're like, yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 3: really like it. Embrace, hey, more access. is definitely a
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  Speaker 3: good thing for our local teams. What's coming up on
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  Speaker 3: the drive?
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  Speaker 11: Mostly college football today. Sammy Mora, Ted Robinson, who is
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  Speaker 11: a Notre Dame grad, Ryan Gunderson, Utah quarterbacks coach, and,
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  Speaker 11: of course, it's Thursday, so our friends from Handy and
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  Speaker 2: Awesome. Sports court.
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  Speaker 6: Love it.
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  Speaker 3: That's coming up on the drive with Spence Checketts. I'm
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  Speaker 3: James Peterson, filled in for OC today. I'll be filling
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  Speaker 3: in again tomorrow. OC out on assignment for the PFL
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