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Ohio State’s Toughest Games, Most Exciting Trips · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 2: so much for joining us as we got company tonight,
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Speaker 3: You know, I love the fact that the show pre
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Speaker 3: apologizes for what's going to happen. And I think that's
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Speaker 3: smart that way. You don't have to do it during
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Speaker 3: the show. After the show, it's like, hey, blanket, apology
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Speaker 3: right here. Whatever happens, I'm here on out. You already
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Speaker 3: know I said sorry.
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Speaker 2: It is live Tone tonight, We're gonna be all over
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Speaker 2: the place because I haven't talked to you in a while.
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Speaker 2: I got some things I want to talk about, scheduling
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Speaker 2: some big games, some game times, fun trips, and I
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Speaker 2: want to start with the big week here for a
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Speaker 2: lot of Buckeye fans myself included a huge victory for
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Speaker 2: sanity as this week the buck Guy's announced that they
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Speaker 2: will be going back to the gray sleeves, proper sleeves.
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Speaker 2: Heritage stripes Buckeye stripes now is what we're calling them,
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Speaker 2: and I could not be happier about this. Also really
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Speaker 2: used to sleek new black uniform. What are your thoughts
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Speaker 2: about all this as it's been twenty years now in
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Speaker 2: watching the fan base kind of rejoice over something that
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Speaker 2: seems like it never should have been done in the
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Speaker 2: first place. But but what do you think?
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Speaker 3: This is the easiest win possible for Ohio State. This
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Speaker 3: is easier than beating Kent State. This was something people
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Speaker 3: have wanted and at this point, not giving it to
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Speaker 3: them is the entire point, Like, we're just not going
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Speaker 3: to do it now. I know they want, I don't
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Speaker 3: care what they want, We're just not going to do it.
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Speaker 3: And then finally it's like, you know, do you know
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Speaker 3: how many more jerseys we could sell and everything that
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Speaker 3: we could sell and then put back into the nil
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Speaker 3: and the program and things that you know, the money
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Speaker 3: that we could use, then maybe that's probably what triggered everything. Oh, yes,
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Speaker 3: we could sell some stuff. But yeah, people have wanted this.
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Speaker 3: An entire generation wanted it, and so why keep it
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Speaker 3: from them? And you know there are still alternates, there
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Speaker 3: are more alternates to come. But yes, going back to
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Speaker 3: what everybody want wanted, and you had been hitting it
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Speaker 3: at it for a while now and you saw it
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Speaker 3: in the spring game. They're wearing the what used to
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Speaker 3: be called, as you said, the heritage sleeves. Are you
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Speaker 3: upset that they killed the name?
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Speaker 2: No, that was a marketing name by Nike. I hated
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Speaker 2: it because I hate Nike for doing it. Yeah in
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Speaker 2: the first place. So yeah, no, definitely not. They can
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Speaker 2: kill that name. That name can die. I wouldn't even
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Speaker 2: use it, to be honest. So it is interesting though,
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Speaker 2: So when we look at that, right and you've got this,
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Speaker 2: you know, obviously a huge, huge machine in Ohio State football.
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Speaker 2: They listened to the customer base. And then when we
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Speaker 2: look at kind of college football as a whole and
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Speaker 2: the twenty four team playoff, which seems to be kind
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Speaker 2: of moving at warp speed now with Jim Phillips, the
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Speaker 2: ACC Commissioner Brett Yormark, the Big twelve Commissioner Pete Bavauqua,
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Speaker 2: Notre Dame, all hopping on with Tony Pettiti now in
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Speaker 2: support of this, and it feels like, you know, you
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Speaker 2: got Greg sank All on his own, but he's got
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Speaker 2: several of his guys, his athletic directors now pushing to
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Speaker 2: move to twenty four as well. Meanwhile, everything I've seen,
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Speaker 2: every survey like this is really really unpopular with college
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Speaker 2: football fans particularly, I mean even a lot of those
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Speaker 2: who wanted to go to twelve, which while I'll admit
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Speaker 2: I wasn't one of those, it turned out that it
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Speaker 2: worked out perfectly when we saw all of a sudden,
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Speaker 2: there's many more teams that can compete for a national championship,
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Speaker 2: and now we're at twelve. To me, it feels like
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Speaker 2: a great number. I know you and I have disagreed
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Speaker 2: with how much the regular season has been compromised. I
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Speaker 2: think it's still a really exciting, really drama filled regular
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Speaker 2: season right now. And to me, twenty four feels like, Man,
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Speaker 2: now we're looking at teams who play maybe four or
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Speaker 2: five tough games in a year, and they can lose
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Speaker 2: more than half of those tough games in there in
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Speaker 2: the postseason, and that just kills a lot of drama
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Speaker 2: to me, and it sucks. But based on the reaction
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Speaker 2: from College foot and then moving full steam ahead, I
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Speaker 2: feel like I needed to look at this a little,
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Speaker 2: a little further from their standpoint, and I think this
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Speaker 2: might actually be a situation where they're gonna win despite
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Speaker 2: not listening to their customers in the long run, both
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Speaker 2: short money and long money. I feel like, Toby, yeah,
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Speaker 2: go ahead.
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Speaker 3: First off, I'd like to see who exactly is answering
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Speaker 3: these surveys, because I refuse to believe Kentucky fans, Maryland fans,
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Speaker 3: Purdue fans are against a twenty fourteen playoff. There are
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Speaker 3: many more teams that could benefit from this, and so
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Speaker 3: many more fans could benefit from this. But if you survey,
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Speaker 3: if eighty percent of the survey is involving you know, Alabama, Georgia, Texas,
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Speaker 3: Ohio State fans, they're going to be against it. So
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Speaker 3: I think I'd like to know who is being surveyed.
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Speaker 3: I agree it's going to diminish the regular season, and
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Speaker 3: so this is like one of the few times Ohio
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Speaker 3: State fans have to be aligned with what ESPN wants,
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Speaker 3: and it's like, you know, strange bedfellows and all of that,
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Speaker 3: but he doesn't want playoff expansion, certainly not beyond sixteen games.
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Speaker 3: And if you ask coaches, coaches, please forty eight, whatever
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Speaker 3: it takes, give me to the playoffs, get me to
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Speaker 3: the promised Land. So I think, you know, the AFCA
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Speaker 3: coming out a week or two ago with that, it's like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: of course. And they're also the basketball coaches want seventy
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Speaker 3: six teams if that's all they can have, and so
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Speaker 3: anytime you ask coaches for playoff access, they're always going
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Speaker 3: to say yes. And so I think that's another like
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Speaker 3: I don't that population. I don't really doesn't really interest me.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be interesting to watch the SEC try
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Speaker 3: to hold this up and with the backing of ESPN
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Speaker 3: or you know, maybe the SEC doing the bidding of
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Speaker 3: ESPN here as they are partners as you know. So yeah,
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Speaker 3: it reminds me of you know, a long time ago,
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Speaker 3: honeymooning down and went to Disney World, right, And the
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Speaker 3: service in the South is very slow compared to what
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Speaker 3: we were accustomed to, right, So it's just like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: the South slows everything down. And I don't want to
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Speaker 3: hear about SEC speed on this one, because they are
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Speaker 3: slowing things down with the advancement to twenty four teams.
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Speaker 3: And you know, I'm okay with that. I think my
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Speaker 3: perfect if it is sixteen teams with play in games
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Speaker 3: for the conferences with automatic qualifiers, and I think that
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Speaker 3: preserves the regular season, makes the regular season just as important,
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Speaker 3: and it doesn't allow you to just get voted in.
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Speaker 3: You work your way in and you win your way in,
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Speaker 3: and then you know you have sixteen teams, but there
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Speaker 3: are twenty five odd teams that are actually controlling their destiny.
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Speaker 3: And yet you know, people feel better because it's only sixteen.
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Speaker 3: So that's what I would like to see twenty four teams.
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Speaker 3: You know, I'll ask you because I see the people
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Speaker 3: saying this is going to kill the best regular season
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Speaker 3: in American sports, and then I say, well, what moves
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Speaker 3: to number one? If this happens, It's still college football.
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Speaker 2: Right, absolutely absolutely, And this is a format that is
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Speaker 2: going to have a regular season that is now going
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Speaker 2: to feel more and more like the NFL, which is
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Speaker 2: what a tried and true winner. Right, It's not as
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Speaker 2: cool to college football fans who've grown up with college
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Speaker 2: football the regular season being different and enjoying it that way. However,
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Speaker 2: they know the diehards will remain. They know they'll adapt
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Speaker 2: because most of them are NFL fans as well. They
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Speaker 2: know that the casuals don't care that they've changed it,
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Speaker 2: and the best way to attract new customers is to
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Speaker 2: have more exciting postseason games for them, which is why
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Speaker 2: I think all that combined from their standpoint, even not
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Speaker 2: listening to probably the majority of what college football fans want,
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Speaker 2: it's probably, you know, financially the most advantageous, though you
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Speaker 2: I don't love.
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Speaker 3: It well, and we'll see because you know, Mike Greg
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Speaker 3: Sankie is still saying.
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Speaker 2: I do that too.
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Speaker 4: I still do that. I still go Mike's Live. I
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Speaker 4: have to like, which is it? Greg Sankee is like,
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Speaker 4: where are we going to make up our lost revenue
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Speaker 4: from no conference championship game? And so there is still
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Speaker 4: that that they've got to figure that portion of it
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Speaker 4: out and maybe if they can then they're fine. But yeah,
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Speaker 4: like the Ohio State Texas last year didn't mean anything
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Speaker 4: right in terms of it didn't knock anybody out of
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Speaker 4: the playoffs, it's not going to knock anybody out of
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Speaker 4: the playoffs here this year. Did we think, boy, I'm
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Speaker 4: this game doesn't do it for me. Heck no, We're
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Speaker 4: all excited about it. And we're excited about this one absolutely.
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Speaker 2: I think, like, for instance, some of these arguments here,
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Speaker 2: don't want to pull up Steve's not Steve's argument here,
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Speaker 2: and I just to me, this is Steve says, twenty
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Speaker 2: four teams is the only way to get the actual
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Speaker 2: twelve best teams with obvious bias and wasted spots on
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Speaker 2: the G sixty, And like this kind of argument to me, Steven,
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Speaker 2: no offense, buddy, I think is just like to me,
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Speaker 2: it's not about the twelve best teams. It's it's about
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Speaker 2: earning it. You've got to earn it. You can't just
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Speaker 2: turn it on. Like Texas be terrible in the first
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Speaker 2: half of the season. You know, five games into the season,
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Speaker 2: Texas had beaten a couple of cream puffs. They lost
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Speaker 2: to Florida and Ohio State. Five games into the season.
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Speaker 2: That's damn near half the season. They have been terrible,
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Speaker 2: and they turned on the juice in a twenty fourteen playoff.
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Speaker 2: Of course, they're in they're a sixteen seed and they're cooking.
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Speaker 2: So were they one of the one of the best
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Speaker 2: at the end of the year, Yeah, they probably were.
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Speaker 2: Did they deserve it? No, they didn't. And I'm actually
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Speaker 2: with you toeing the four four two two one three,
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Speaker 2: which included the automatic coffit like that, to me is
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Speaker 2: the absolute perfect system. It's having those three at large
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Speaker 2: bids up for grabs at the end also incentivizes those
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Speaker 2: out of conference games they still matter, right So to me,
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Speaker 2: it had everything that you could have wanted and I
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Speaker 2: loved it. And that really went by the wayside really
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Speaker 2: really quick, which was a shame. But anyway, man, it'll
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Speaker 2: be really really fun regardless. It's always fun. It's college football.
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Speaker 2: This year's tripped down to Texas, of course, will be
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Speaker 2: a lot of fun. Alabama remains on the schedule, Tony
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Speaker 2: that just coming out with their ad greg Byrne announcing
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Speaker 2: that through Brett McMurphy that that game will stay on
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Speaker 2: the schedule they've chosen to get rid of now that
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Speaker 2: they pick up one more conference game. Oklahoma State was
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Speaker 2: on their schedule. They nixed that. They keep Ohio State,
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Speaker 2: which was a bold move and I love it. And
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Speaker 2: I think that the only reason they did it, I mean,
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Speaker 2: not the only reason, but I think the biggest reason
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Speaker 2: for them is pride. I think it was a pride thing.
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Speaker 2: They did not want Ohio State to be able to
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Speaker 2: look and say they did it. They pulled out. I
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Speaker 2: respect the heck out of that. Man. This is still football,
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Speaker 2: This is still about machismo at the end of the day. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: but I'm thrilled about.
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Speaker 3: That, and there would be some recruiting about that as well.
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Speaker 2: There we go.
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Speaker 3: Alabama backed out. I mean, I I of course love
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Speaker 3: the fact that they didn't back out. And you know,
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Speaker 3: you have people saying, you know, that game could cost
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Speaker 3: you the playoffs, and it's, no, it can't. It can't
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Speaker 3: possibly because here's the thing. You know Jenga right, Yes,
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Speaker 3: if if if the season is Jenga and Alabama and
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Speaker 3: o High State kick off the season to each other, right,
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Speaker 3: and which say Ohio State loses that game and you
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Speaker 3: knock out one Jenga block, does the thing fall down?
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 3: No, If they lose two more times and then you know,
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Speaker 3: you knocked that third one out and it finally tumbles,
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Speaker 3: Nobody's like, we shouldn't have moved out that first one
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Speaker 3: that nobody's ever said, shouldn't have moved out that first one.
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Speaker 3: It's that last one that does you in. It's the
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Speaker 3: last one, the last move of the Jenga block that
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Speaker 3: costs you. And it was for Texas. It was losing
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Speaker 3: to a bad Florida team and it was getting blown
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Speaker 3: out by Georgia or Alabama whichever, you know. So it's
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Speaker 3: like it wasn't Ohio State. That was just the first block.
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Speaker 3: It's everything else after that that knocks the entire tower down.
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Speaker 2: It also goes the opposite way. I mean, I think
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Speaker 2: you actually get you get less punishment for losing those
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Speaker 2: kind of games than losing a conference game, but you
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Speaker 2: get that massive reward like Miami. If Miami doesn't beat
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Speaker 2: Notre Dame, they're not the one getting that playoff spot
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Speaker 2: in the end of the year. They challenge themselves out
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Speaker 2: of conference. They got the win, but nobody ever brings
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Speaker 2: that one up like that. That's kind of same scenario
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Speaker 2: on the opposite side of the coin. You know, you
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Speaker 2: play to win the game first off. Everybody acts like
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Speaker 2: you automatically lose if you schedule it. I don't want
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Speaker 2: to schedule that.
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Speaker 3: Well, it was like you know, twenty fourteen or whatever,
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Speaker 3: you know, the Big twelve didn't have a conference championship game,
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Speaker 3: and before then it was seen as a good thing,
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Speaker 3: and then it hurts them and then it's a bad thing.
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Speaker 2: And it just.
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Speaker 3: People pick and choose what is good and what is bad,
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Speaker 3: what is hurtful, and what helps you as you know,
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Speaker 3: you know on the internet.
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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, so that one will remain. The Georgia one
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Speaker 2: certain to be canceled, and I don't even blame Georgia
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Speaker 2: who also has you know, picking up their additional SEC game,
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Speaker 2: Georgia Tech, which they certainly won't be canceling. And then Clemson,
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Speaker 2: who they have a storied rivalry with as well, which
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Speaker 2: would mean that they would have twelve Power four teams
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Speaker 2: in the three out of conference would be Georgia Tech,
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Speaker 2: Clemson in Ohio State. Like, I can't even blame them
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Speaker 2: for that one. But that's a bummer that that one
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Speaker 2: probably doesn't stand. But Texas does the return trip this
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Speaker 2: year and this will be three and three years as
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Speaker 2: Texas will try and hold off Ohio State from taking
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Speaker 2: a little three piece from them. And this feels like
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Speaker 2: a lot of pressure, man, It feels like a lot
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Speaker 2: of pressure on Texas. On Sark, I mean when we
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Speaker 2: look at last year. To me, I keep thinking about
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Speaker 2: Penn State all year, this is the year We're gonna
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Speaker 2: do it all off season, and they just build everything
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Speaker 2: up to this Oregon game. That's the game. The white
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Speaker 2: Out incomes Oregon, they beat them, and it just totally
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Speaker 2: deflates them mentally. And I look at Texas from their standpoint,
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Speaker 2: with the schedule that they have, which I'm gonna pull
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Speaker 2: up in a minute here, if they lose to Ohio
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Speaker 2: State at the peak of their powers, I mean, this
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Speaker 2: is the best that they can be. They're rolling in
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Speaker 2: the portal. We're talking. Missed the playoffs narrowly last year,
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Speaker 2: but the previous two years in the final four. I mean,
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Speaker 2: they are right there, going for it all this year.
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Speaker 2: And to welcome Ohio State into their house and lose
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Speaker 2: again three times twice in the state of Texas, it
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Speaker 2: feels so deflating to me.
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Speaker 3: Well, and I was talking with the NFL scout recently
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Speaker 3: and he's like, Texas has absolutely loaded the portal. Hall
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Speaker 3: was incredible. Everybody expects arch Manning to be better this year,
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Speaker 3: and they are the most talented team basically, and we'll
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Speaker 3: see you still got to put that talent together. And
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Speaker 3: fortunately for both teams, they have a game before this one,
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Speaker 3: because last year was just two teams from each other
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Speaker 3: out and it's like it was unfortunate. This will be
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Speaker 3: two teams trying to win and beat beat the other
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Speaker 3: and mistakes be damned. We've got to make some plays.
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Speaker 3: And last year, this is just like, let's not lose
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Speaker 3: the game. This one, you're going to have to go win.
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Speaker 3: And now we know that it's at night, which was
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Speaker 3: always the assumption because I didn't want to be there
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Speaker 3: during the day. It's going to be warm. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: I can't wait for this one. And like you said,
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Speaker 3: if it would be a deflating loss for Texas, it's
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Speaker 3: an acceptable loss for Ohio State. They're the underdog. It
17:37
Speaker 3: would be like, of course you should lose to Texas.
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Speaker 3: You know, this may be one versus two, however you
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Speaker 3: want to do it, and you know, but would it
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Speaker 3: shock be if Ohio State wins? No, of course not.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and both schools with an absolute gauntlet. I
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Speaker 2: think these are the you know, two of the top
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Speaker 2: four schedules in the country this year in terms of difficulty,
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Speaker 2: I give Ohio State the nod as far as the
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Speaker 2: more difficult schedule, but they're darn close, man, They're really
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Speaker 2: darn close. With Texas playing away at Texas A and
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Speaker 2: m LSU and Tennessee. Ohio State's big away games include Texas, Indiana, USC,
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Speaker 2: and Iowa. They got the neutral field match up with Oklahoma,
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Speaker 2: and then they're tough home games. They both got more
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Speaker 2: tough road games than home, Ohio State with Oregon and Michigan,
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Speaker 2: Texas with Ohio State number nine Old miss and then
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Speaker 2: they both got a couple decent conference tests with Ohio
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Speaker 2: State and Nebraska at Nebraska, and that's gonna be late
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Speaker 2: in the year. Is that right before the game? I
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Speaker 2: think yes, yeah, And then Illinois, which opens Big ten,
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Speaker 2: and then they Texas to go to Missouri and play
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Speaker 2: Florida again, which of course they lost to him last year.
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Speaker 2: And I think the year before Florida gave them a
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Speaker 2: test in Texas as well. So two unbelievably tough schedules.
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Speaker 2: I think both teams have the ability to get in
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Speaker 2: with three lost his should that happen this year because
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Speaker 2: they are so tough. The unbelievable thing is last year
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Speaker 2: they both had really easy schedules compared to what they
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Speaker 2: usually have, and then this year they've just got these gauntlets.
19:12
Speaker 2: I'm sure they both prefer that this game wasn't on
19:15
Speaker 2: the schedule this year, but I can't wait.
19:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's this is this is my argument to come
19:22
Speaker 3: back to the fact that we can't wait, and this
19:25
Speaker 3: game doesn't knock anybody out of the playoffs, and so
19:29
Speaker 3: every game matters in college football. That's what's great about it.
19:31
Speaker 3: It's like either team can lose and it doesn't matter
19:35
Speaker 3: because you're still excited about it. You're still you know,
19:38
Speaker 3: locked in, you're still looking forward to it, and you're
19:40
Speaker 3: still gonna watch it and watch it hard.
19:43
Speaker 2: I pulled up A Sark's line of crap when he
19:45
Speaker 2: was stumping for the playoffs last year this morning, where
19:49
Speaker 2: he he said on the field after the text A
19:52
Speaker 2: and M game when they had beaten them, you know,
19:54
Speaker 2: we we challenged ourselves, lost by seven at Ohio State
19:58
Speaker 2: and out gain them by hundred yards. It's like, dude,
20:02
Speaker 2: trying to make it sound like the ball just bounced
20:04
Speaker 2: the wrong way. It could have gone anyone's way, but
20:06
Speaker 2: we outplayed them. Get out of here with that man
20:08
Speaker 2: o'histate controlled that game. And when I look forward to
20:12
Speaker 2: this year's team and what they've got, I mean, Texas
20:16
Speaker 2: offensively is going to be better. They're gonna be better
20:19
Speaker 2: than they were last year. Arch is gonna be better.
20:21
Speaker 2: They've got a better running game with Riley Brown and
20:23
Speaker 2: Hollywood smothers. They bring in Cam Coleman. It's a scary offense.
20:28
Speaker 2: Both you know, two returning good tackles Baker at I
20:32
Speaker 2: think left guard now, and some chemistry there with the
20:36
Speaker 2: offensive line, they should be really good. I think what
20:39
Speaker 2: scares me most is Jermaine Matthews. I could see a
20:44
Speaker 2: world where where we come out of that game and
20:48
Speaker 2: everybody's going or treating Jermaine Matthews like like Denzel coming
20:53
Speaker 2: out of Audson Stadium a couple of years ago. I
20:55
Speaker 2: could I could see that happening. I could also see
20:59
Speaker 2: Texas just really running the ball at five and a
21:02
Speaker 2: half six yards a clip, with these linebackers at Ohio
21:06
Speaker 2: State not really knowing each other well yet, just not
21:09
Speaker 2: really being ready for that kind of ground attack. And
21:12
Speaker 2: I think that they absolutely have to stop that ground
21:14
Speaker 2: game or else this is this is going to be
21:18
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to win it on offense, which they
21:19
Speaker 2: still might have to win it on offense.
21:21
Speaker 3: Well, and we'll be talking about this for a while,
21:23
Speaker 3: but this may be Jermaine Matthews in the slot in
21:27
Speaker 3: the slot at Nickel because of the depth that Texas
21:30
Speaker 3: has at receiver, which then means that he's going to
21:33
Speaker 3: have to be more involved in the run game, which
21:36
Speaker 3: means maybe the run game, as you said, can run
21:39
Speaker 3: it pretty well for Texas. And if you're putting Jermaine
21:42
Speaker 3: Matthews in the slot to deal with coverage issues, then
21:45
Speaker 3: has that taken you out of the game that you
21:47
Speaker 3: wanted to do with or a little And.
21:49
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know it's.
21:52
Speaker 3: In the first half may not resemble the second half
21:55
Speaker 3: at all, probably shouldn't based on the way things are
21:58
Speaker 3: going to go and what people are going to be expecting.
22:01
Speaker 2: So this will be I'm assuming your first trip to
22:04
Speaker 2: Daryl k Royal to yep, so you're heading down there
22:08
Speaker 2: and I don't know scale of one to ten for this.
22:12
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, like I'm a I'm a stadium guy.
22:15
Speaker 2: Love them obviously, this game is like a bucket list
22:18
Speaker 2: type of matchup. But to me, this particular stadium is
22:22
Speaker 2: never really interesting me. There's not a ton about it
22:24
Speaker 2: that really if I find fascinating or historically relevant. But
22:28
Speaker 2: how excited are you for this one compared to like, say,
22:32
Speaker 2: your trip out to Auton in twenty.
22:34
Speaker 3: Four No, I'm excited for the game. I have no
22:39
Speaker 3: I don't know anything about their stadium, you know, in
22:41
Speaker 3: terms of what's the lore, there's no lore about it. Now,
22:45
Speaker 3: whereas very excited to get to Austin, very excited to
22:48
Speaker 3: get to Washington on the water there, Like I was
22:51
Speaker 3: excited to see those two places. This, you know, I
22:55
Speaker 3: was excited to see Notre Dame and that was that
22:58
Speaker 3: was awesome. This I don't, you know, maybe I can
23:01
Speaker 3: just pull it up on the video game and see
23:02
Speaker 3: what it looks like. There's nothing, you know, nobody ever
23:05
Speaker 3: talks about the place. I'll talk about Texas, sure everybody,
23:09
Speaker 3: like most people know the name of the stadium if
23:11
Speaker 3: you say it. But I don't know that there's anything special.
23:15
Speaker 3: You know, go ahead and clip this, but like, what
23:18
Speaker 3: what is the lore? What is the you know, the
23:21
Speaker 3: thing to know about it? Because I don't know. But yes,
23:24
Speaker 3: absolutely looking forward to being there. We're going to be there,
23:27
Speaker 3: bright and early. Hopefully we can find some shade somewhere.
23:30
Speaker 3: But it's going to be a long day and a
23:32
Speaker 3: fun night, and you know it's yeah, it's the game
23:38
Speaker 3: itself is a bucket list. The stadium, I don't think so, yeah.
23:41
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that, uh, you know, speaking of that,
23:44
Speaker 2: Like even Bryant Denny to me, I'm not I don't
23:46
Speaker 2: find I find it a little a little notch above.
23:49
Speaker 2: But I don't really find that to be an incredibly
23:52
Speaker 2: exciting venue myself.
23:53
Speaker 3: You know, Tom and I we took a road trip
23:55
Speaker 3: I forget which I don't know if we were driving
23:57
Speaker 3: down in New Orleans or whatever, but we stopped in
23:59
Speaker 3: Tuscal loose and did like a live show outside of
24:03
Speaker 3: the stadium, and it was, you know, a nice facade,
24:05
Speaker 3: and but it's very new, and it's like very They've
24:09
Speaker 3: put some money into it, and well I want to
24:11
Speaker 3: see I want to see the old stuff, and it's like, well, no,
24:13
Speaker 3: you're just gonna see the nice facade. So, you know,
24:17
Speaker 3: I don't know that I have any really specific memory
24:19
Speaker 3: of the stadium as being anything crazy, because you know,
24:22
Speaker 3: we only saw the nice red bricks out front.
24:26
Speaker 2: Tony the usc trip. Did did you go? Have you
24:30
Speaker 2: been to USC this?
24:31
Speaker 3: Once we go to that, then I will have checked
24:34
Speaker 3: off all of the Big ten stadiums if you still
24:36
Speaker 3: count the Rose Bowl, but you know, I've been out
24:39
Speaker 3: there several times without UCLA. But yeah, this is my
24:41
Speaker 3: last stadium that I'll I'll be to Okay, need to
24:44
Speaker 3: be in the Big ten.
24:46
Speaker 2: Now, this trip to me is and I saw in
24:48
Speaker 2: the comments they can't wait till we talk about USC
24:51
Speaker 2: our buddy Rod's been several times. This trip to me
24:55
Speaker 2: is scary as hell. Uh, this is a huge measuring
24:59
Speaker 2: stick for their program. I think they have a top
25:03
Speaker 2: ten potential team. I think Gary Patterson coming in is
25:08
Speaker 2: going to be incredibly interesting, but ultimately really really good.
25:12
Speaker 2: They've got young talent everywhere. I think Jade Mayava is
25:16
Speaker 2: probably the most underrated quarterback nationally. It's just as far
25:20
Speaker 2: as the national discourse, like, I'm a believer in that kid.
25:25
Speaker 2: And if you obviously, the travel West Coast is always
25:29
Speaker 2: another difficult thing to deal with in that game. The
25:34
Speaker 2: atmosphere not so much. It's another one that's like, yeah, whatever,
25:39
Speaker 2: but this is a drastically different Big ten looking conference
25:45
Speaker 2: right now. And if USC can really take that next
25:48
Speaker 2: kind of step to be like a top ten caliber program.
25:51
Speaker 2: It's just a gauntlet, absolute gauntlet this year that Ohio
25:55
Speaker 2: State has. But this game both exciting and scary to me.
26:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do wonder if they'll go out a day early.
26:02
Speaker 3: That's you know, they're coming off of the off week there,
26:05
Speaker 3: so maybe to do that to get acclimated. But it's
26:08
Speaker 3: gonna be interesting to see what USC does leading up
26:10
Speaker 3: to that game because they've got Oregon in Washington and
26:13
Speaker 3: then at Penn State before they have a week off
26:16
Speaker 3: and have to go to Camp Randall before playing Ohio State.
26:18
Speaker 3: So if this was the Wisconsin of old, just they'd
26:22
Speaker 3: be all beat up by the time they're you know,
26:24
Speaker 3: after coming back from Wisconsin. Talking to Buck guys over
26:27
Speaker 3: the years when Wisconsin was good, this is every year,
26:30
Speaker 3: this is the game that hurt the most and that
26:31
Speaker 3: they were the most sore after, and you know, maybe
26:35
Speaker 3: they can get back to that a little bit and
26:37
Speaker 3: USC is gonna be pretty banged up, but we'll know
26:40
Speaker 3: a heck of a lot about them based on what
26:42
Speaker 3: happens with Oregon and you know Washington. I kind of
26:46
Speaker 3: feel like demand Williams doesn't want to be there, and
26:49
Speaker 3: jen Fish doesn't want to be there, So does anybody
26:52
Speaker 3: want to be at Washington? And will they put up
26:53
Speaker 3: much of a fight this year? And we'll see what
26:56
Speaker 3: the Penn State does. But you know, I'm the USC
27:00
Speaker 3: is dangerous. They've got too much skill to overlook them,
27:02
Speaker 3: and they've got a quarterback that can make something out
27:04
Speaker 3: of nothing. Yeah, he can throw it straight to a
27:07
Speaker 3: linebacker as well, but you can't necessarily count on that.
27:12
Speaker 2: Indiana tone curious your perspective on these guys as they
27:16
Speaker 2: lose Mendoza in a slew of the JMU crew exits out.
27:20
Speaker 2: I think that this might line up to be Signetti's
27:24
Speaker 2: maybe least talented team as he loses that first wave
27:29
Speaker 2: of his guys, and he's going to be you know,
27:32
Speaker 2: building up talent better classes guys coming in in the future.
27:38
Speaker 2: But this one I think might be a little bit
27:40
Speaker 2: of a step back. And I'm not a huge believer
27:42
Speaker 2: in Indiana. This year, they got a relatively easier schedule,
27:46
Speaker 2: so I do think they'll be there in the end,
27:48
Speaker 2: But as far as matching up against Ohio State, this
27:51
Speaker 2: one I feel pretty good about. I'm not even as
27:54
Speaker 2: nervous about this matchup as I am about the USC one,
27:57
Speaker 2: Like I think Ohio State right now is going to
28:00
Speaker 2: do them.
28:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think USC has more talent. It's it is
28:08
Speaker 3: a very easy, relatively easy schedule for Indiana, and they
28:11
Speaker 3: could win nine or ten games and lose their you know,
28:14
Speaker 3: most of their tough games because they have Ohio State,
28:17
Speaker 3: they're at Michigan, depending on what you think of Michigan.
28:20
Speaker 3: They've got USC at home. You know, they're at at Washington.
28:24
Speaker 3: I think they they did a good job into Portal,
28:27
Speaker 3: but it'll be interesting to see how well those Portal
28:30
Speaker 3: guys instantly become signetty guys because those JMU, the JMU
28:37
Speaker 3: guys have been with them since birth practically, so they've
28:41
Speaker 3: they brought this to Indiana, and you know how much
28:45
Speaker 3: of their you know, new guys, you know, Fernando Mendez
28:48
Speaker 3: of course stepped right in and was perfect for them.
28:51
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna be okay. I think they'll be fine.
28:53
Speaker 3: We won't know how good they are until they play
28:56
Speaker 3: Ohio State. Yeah, and I'll be honest, like this is
29:00
Speaker 3: going to be you're asking about road trips. This will
29:02
Speaker 3: be the biggest, the most I've ever looked forward to
29:05
Speaker 3: a trip to Bloomington without a doubt.
29:08
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like, you know, this trip for
29:10
Speaker 2: you here a place you've been to several times. I'm
29:12
Speaker 2: sure like this one has to be totally different like
29:15
Speaker 2: never before.
29:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we can pretty much just see it'll be
29:19
Speaker 3: a big nuone kickoff.
29:20
Speaker 2: So all right, let's talk about that, Tony. Yeah. So
29:25
Speaker 2: Fox gets to choose. For those that don't know how
29:28
Speaker 2: this goes, they get to choose the first three weeks
29:32
Speaker 2: that they want to have the first pick that week.
29:35
Speaker 2: And this particular setup this year, there are four weeks
29:39
Speaker 2: with really big time premier matchups that they could potentially
29:43
Speaker 2: pick from. And those matchups are obviously the game Michigan Oklahoma,
29:49
Speaker 2: Ohio State Indiana, and Ohio State Oregon. Those would be
29:52
Speaker 2: our top four. Now, whichever three they pick, those games
29:57
Speaker 2: will be at big nuon and we know that they're
30:01
Speaker 2: certainly going to pick the game. And I think it
30:05
Speaker 2: has it been announced that you've also picked Michigan Oklahoma yep, Okay,
30:09
Speaker 2: so we know for sure those are big new which
30:11
Speaker 2: means one of Ohio State, Indiana or Ohio State Oregon
30:15
Speaker 2: is not going to be Big Noon and who is
30:18
Speaker 2: that third big noon or pick going to be?
30:21
Speaker 3: Well, I think Ohio State at the defending national champion
30:25
Speaker 3: Indiana is the number two pick. In my mind, that's
30:28
Speaker 3: that's the that week is the number two pick, and
30:32
Speaker 3: whether that gets announced or not, because there's there are
30:36
Speaker 3: other couple of interesting games as well that week, and
30:39
Speaker 3: the network may also want to be like, well, let's
30:41
Speaker 3: just see how good Indiana is this year. But I
30:44
Speaker 3: think I think that's the pick, and then Ohio State
30:48
Speaker 3: Oregon Oregon. Ohio State would be a three thirty kick
30:51
Speaker 3: on CBS when they play because that night has already
30:55
Speaker 3: NBC already has Miami at Notre Dame that night, the
30:58
Speaker 3: same night as Ohio State Oregon. So there's almost no
31:04
Speaker 3: way that Ohio State will be hosting Oregon under the lights,
31:07
Speaker 3: but you could get the second half.
31:09
Speaker 2: Of lights second half Lights. Yeah.
31:11
Speaker 3: So I think that's how it's gonna go out, And
31:13
Speaker 3: we'll know more in the next probably two weeks, as
31:16
Speaker 3: the first three days or the first three weeks will
31:19
Speaker 3: be announced. I think that's supposed to be maybe the
31:21
Speaker 3: thirty first, the thirtieth thirty first, when the first three
31:24
Speaker 3: weeks come out, and then sometimes they'll throw in a
31:27
Speaker 3: couple of other games as well if they're certain, but
31:31
Speaker 3: they'll probably also say, you know, it'll still subject to change,
31:34
Speaker 3: like it's gonna be this game, but there's still subject
31:36
Speaker 3: to change in terms of maybe it won't be Ohio
31:40
Speaker 3: State Indiana, it'll be Michigan USC instead, But I think
31:44
Speaker 3: it's going to be Ohio State Indiana.
31:46
Speaker 2: If I'm trying to take my all my biases out
31:50
Speaker 2: of here and choose between those games, I honestly feel
31:53
Speaker 2: like Michigan Oklahoma is the fourth to me, even though
31:58
Speaker 2: they are two blue bloods with me acid fan base
32:01
Speaker 2: is it's not two national championship contenders. Michigan's not in
32:04
Speaker 2: this conversation where Oregon, Indiana, Ohio State and Oklahoma are.
32:08
Speaker 2: They're they're the odd man out here in this conversation.
32:11
Speaker 2: So to me, I would have them fourth, and I'm
32:14
Speaker 2: rolling with Indiana Ohio State for sure. In Oregon Ohio
32:19
Speaker 2: State back at the shoe like the last two games
32:22
Speaker 2: they've played, are you kidding me? Oregon trying to get revenge,
32:25
Speaker 2: Ryan Day trying to get revenge for them coming in
32:27
Speaker 2: and beating him and leaving the stupid duck in the
32:29
Speaker 2: middle of the in the middle of the block. Oh oh,
32:32
Speaker 2: can't have that again, man, I mean, what's the narrative
32:35
Speaker 2: if that if they come in and beat him in
32:37
Speaker 2: are two to oher in the shoe? I don't even
32:41
Speaker 2: want to hear it under Ryan Day.
32:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for Dan Lanning, that would be the biggest
32:48
Speaker 3: win of his career. And it's like, well, it's still
32:50
Speaker 3: just a regular season win. And edvand Sark they need
32:55
Speaker 3: one of them needs to do something. They both need
32:57
Speaker 3: to do something, and they do because they get passed
33:01
Speaker 3: every single year for whatever reason.
33:03
Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, in this new era of
33:07
Speaker 2: college football, they have benefited from being kind of the
33:12
Speaker 2: first guy at the program that's going to spend a
33:15
Speaker 2: ton of money. That is benefited from all that spending.
33:18
Speaker 2: But I don't think either of them have taken that
33:20
Speaker 2: and capitalized on it in the way that you would
33:23
Speaker 2: expect them to. And I wonder, what is the win
33:25
Speaker 2: over replacement for another top tier coach over one of
33:30
Speaker 2: those guys. But yeah, they do seem to get a
33:32
Speaker 2: pass and I think as this goes on for ten
33:36
Speaker 2: twenty years, we're going to see that these type guys
33:39
Speaker 2: walking into those situations like a Joey maguire, all of
33:42
Speaker 2: a sudden you turn on the spending like they actually
33:44
Speaker 2: got it pretty easy. It's gonna be interesting to watch
33:48
Speaker 2: how this unfolds over the next ten years or so
33:50
Speaker 2: with situations like that.
33:52
Speaker 3: You know, you watch it over the next ten years.
33:55
Speaker 3: The past ten years with like Tom Herman, when they
33:57
Speaker 3: turned onto spending for Tom Herman, that meant a new
34:00
Speaker 3: locker room, and there's videos of him, you know, taking
34:02
Speaker 3: the sledgehammer.
34:03
Speaker 2: Too, the old locker right.
34:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's what's turning on the spending used to be.
34:07
Speaker 3: It's like we get a new locker room. Now it's
34:09
Speaker 3: like we need to find forty million dollars for these
34:13
Speaker 3: guys or else we can't possibly win.
34:17
Speaker 2: You know, I was sitting here thinking earlier about the
34:19
Speaker 2: potential for Ohio State to have a down year this
34:22
Speaker 2: year and missed the playoffs, which is not beyond the
34:25
Speaker 2: realm of possibility. You play a couple stinkers, and then
34:28
Speaker 2: you have a couple that just bounced the wrong way,
34:31
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you could have four losses.
34:33
Speaker 2: And the narrative I fear, should that happen, would be
34:38
Speaker 2: Ryan Day gets his first tough schedule and and all
34:41
Speaker 2: of a sudden, Ohio States, you know, no more than
34:45
Speaker 2: two loss streak is not just dead but obliterated. They
34:49
Speaker 2: lose four games and it could be a really really
34:52
Speaker 2: long offseason.
34:54
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think it'd be interesting to look
34:58
Speaker 3: how many more Big Ten schedule have been tougher than
35:01
Speaker 3: this one over time.
35:03
Speaker 2: Never So this is my stance on that, Tony. It's
35:06
Speaker 2: impossible to have ever happened, because they've never been tougher
35:10
Speaker 2: since we introduced the West Coast teams.
35:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you'd have to go and see, like Ohio
35:15
Speaker 3: State doesn't have to play Ohio State, you know, has
35:17
Speaker 3: Minnesota had to play? As Minnesota just been crapped on
35:21
Speaker 3: by the schedule makers and had to play you know all,
35:23
Speaker 3: you know, six ranked teams, but they haven't been that
35:26
Speaker 3: many ranked. You know, USC has not been as good
35:29
Speaker 3: as we expect them to be since they've been in
35:31
Speaker 3: the Big Ten. So I think not that the not
35:34
Speaker 3: that the lunatic fringe would acknowledge the difficulty of the
35:38
Speaker 3: schedule in placing blame directly on Ryan Day for you know,
35:43
Speaker 3: insulting everybody with a four lost season. But it's gonna
35:47
Speaker 3: be tough.
35:49
Speaker 2: Speaking of of those West Coast teams, Tony, just to
35:53
Speaker 2: share with everybody how how fast things are changing here
35:56
Speaker 2: with the big big ten money here. This is the
35:59
Speaker 2: current top fifteen in this year's recruiting rankings, and obviously
36:03
Speaker 2: a long way to go, but we've got USC at
36:06
Speaker 2: number four, Ucla at number five, Penn State number six,
36:11
Speaker 2: Oregon number eight, Ohio state number ten, Minnesota number twelve,
36:16
Speaker 2: Washington number thirteen, Wisconsin they're spending with Luke number fifteen.
36:22
Speaker 2: So all four of the West Coast teams in the
36:25
Speaker 2: top thirteen, which is something that I did not expect
36:29
Speaker 2: we would be seeing when these four joined. But it
36:34
Speaker 2: is really interesting what's happening now. If Bob Chesney is
36:37
Speaker 2: actually getting the juice, and I heard that they have
36:39
Speaker 2: doubled their nil spending to get him in there, there's
36:43
Speaker 2: certainly he's got juice, man, There's no doubt about it.
36:46
Speaker 2: He's a young, exciting guy, and you know, I could
36:49
Speaker 2: see them potentially turning into a every year kind of
36:52
Speaker 2: winning team. Eight nine wins. It's not like it hasn't
36:55
Speaker 2: been done there before, and Washington seemingly always solid. Now
37:00
Speaker 2: you got sc and Oregon at the top of the conference.
37:03
Speaker 2: Like this just keeps getting harder and harder, and it's
37:07
Speaker 2: kind of a gauntlet. Man. We're talking about Minnesota in
37:10
Speaker 2: Wisconsin now in the top fifteen of recruiting.
37:14
Speaker 3: If those like if A, Minnesota and Wisconsin get back
37:18
Speaker 3: to where they can and have been, and they've touched
37:22
Speaker 3: the top ten rankings, and you throw Iowa in there.
37:27
Speaker 3: You know, maybe Northwestern has played in two Big Ten
37:30
Speaker 3: championship games in the past decade. Now that was West Division.
37:34
Speaker 3: But you've seen all of these, maybe what are the exceptions,
37:40
Speaker 3: Like Maryland hasn't really you know, produce played in a
37:42
Speaker 3: Big Ten championship game in the past five years, four
37:45
Speaker 3: years or so. So the potential is there for pretty
37:48
Speaker 3: much everybody. And so you see this stuff like this.
37:53
Speaker 3: Now it's way too early to make too much of this,
37:56
Speaker 3: but these are also you haven't seen this before, right.
37:59
Speaker 2: Right, That's the thing happened.
38:01
Speaker 3: We're used to seeing We're used to not seeing Alabama
38:03
Speaker 3: on this list in June, and then they shoot up.
38:06
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're going to anymore with you know,
38:08
Speaker 3: without Nick Saban, but this this is while it's too early,
38:13
Speaker 3: it's still different than what we've seen and you see
38:15
Speaker 3: all of those Big ten teams, so it's too early,
38:18
Speaker 3: but it's still something based on Yes, sure.
38:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely notable because we're seeing them. I mean
38:25
Speaker 2: it's they're spending money that they're spending money that some
38:28
Speaker 2: programs don't have, and uh, you know that's kind of
38:32
Speaker 2: been the talk the you know, the Big ten money
38:35
Speaker 2: and here we're really seeing it now now that the
38:38
Speaker 2: the checks have cleared from the first year of the
38:41
Speaker 2: massive contract, and.
38:42
Speaker 3: You're also seeing it benefit Virginia Tech now James Franklin
38:45
Speaker 3: and wow, what they're able to do. So it's it's
38:49
Speaker 3: kind of the the the Urban Meyer effect when he
38:52
Speaker 3: came to iiO State and changed the Big ten and
38:54
Speaker 3: everybody had to keep up. Now you're seeing Virginia Tech
38:58
Speaker 3: and you know, Texas Tech and wherever. It's like you've
39:02
Speaker 3: got to keep up with a big ten in the SEC.
39:04
Speaker 3: And the more that they do that, then that makes
39:06
Speaker 3: life more difficult for the big ten in the SEC,
39:08
Speaker 3: which is good for everybody.
39:11
Speaker 2: Absolutely a little bit of Buckeye recruiting a couple positions
39:16
Speaker 2: to him. We talk about quarterback and obviously the Buck
39:18
Speaker 2: guys have had Brady Edmunds committed since like the literal
39:22
Speaker 2: day after the twenty twenty four version of the game,
39:26
Speaker 2: after he was on the field when the pepper spray
39:28
Speaker 2: was flying, which was a stand up move that made him.
39:32
Speaker 2: I mean, this guy's been a favorite of Ohio State
39:36
Speaker 2: fans for a long time, tried to be the face
39:38
Speaker 2: of the class and done a great job publicly recruiting.
39:41
Speaker 2: He's a great kid, six' five howitzer for an arm
39:45
Speaker 2: And Ohio state the talk was, was you, know looking
39:48
Speaker 2: for a second, quarterback but really it was maybe Just
39:51
Speaker 2: Champ As Champ mons had been their twenty twenty eight
39:54
Speaker 2: top target but he reclassified to twenty. Seven, well you've
39:57
Speaker 2: already got a relationship with, him you might as well
39:59
Speaker 2: just bring him in now if you. Can and Then
40:02
Speaker 2: champ goes To Notre dame and all of a, Sudden
40:05
Speaker 2: Billy fessler looks like he's barnstorming the, country going and
40:10
Speaker 2: visiting like five committed quarterbacks to top tier, schools guys
40:15
Speaker 2: that literally just committed like a month, Ago and it's
40:18
Speaker 2: almost like what why? Now why if you were really
40:21
Speaker 2: gonna go about it like, this why weren't you talking
40:23
Speaker 2: to them, before WHICH i don't. Understand but as we
40:27
Speaker 2: stand here, today it just seems to me like this
40:30
Speaker 2: is not a two quarterback. CLASS i feel like they're
40:33
Speaker 2: gonna get somebody And brady's gonna end up flipping out
40:36
Speaker 2: because he doesn't seem too awfully pleased with the way
40:39
Speaker 2: they've kind of gone about, this AND i wouldn't be.
40:41
Speaker 3: Either, no it's we've seen this with other recruits where
40:47
Speaker 3: it's WHY i want to go Where i'm wanted and
40:51
Speaker 3: not where you're just settling on. Me and SO i
40:54
Speaker 3: that's kind of WHAT i expect to.
40:55
Speaker 2: Happen you.
40:57
Speaker 3: Know that's assuming they.
40:58
Speaker 2: Can get a.
40:59
Speaker 3: Quarterback and they got to get, one you, know and
41:02
Speaker 3: you saw what happened last. Year it took a while
41:05
Speaker 3: and they ended up With Luke fahee and who knows
41:08
Speaker 3: what his future is At Ohio.
41:09
Speaker 2: State it's not.
41:11
Speaker 3: Well and you can do that two years in a, row,
41:15
Speaker 3: MAYBE i, guess because you still Have you've Got Tavian
41:18
Speaker 3: Saint clair and you've got the, portal so things are
41:20
Speaker 3: always going to be. Fine and when you look At
41:22
Speaker 3: Ryan day's history at quarterback At Ohio state since he's
41:26
Speaker 3: been the head, coach he started his, recruits what three
41:31
Speaker 3: of those seven or eight years when it's you KNOW. C.
41:33
Speaker 3: J stroud twice and Com accord. Once everybody else has been.
41:37
Speaker 3: Transfers so, yeah and the transfers have worked, out. OKAY i,
41:42
Speaker 3: mean if you want to argue about, that Justin fields
41:44
Speaker 3: And Will howard And julian, SAYING i, mean if if
41:46
Speaker 3: you want to put up that kind of, fight you,
41:48
Speaker 3: know we can talk about. It BUT i think the
41:49
Speaker 3: transfers have worked, out. Okay and it's a position that
41:55
Speaker 3: the thing with it is everybody else is looking for
41:57
Speaker 3: them as, well so it's going to be a premium
41:59
Speaker 3: and in terms of the, portal but at least you
42:02
Speaker 3: know what you. Got AND i think Sometimes Ohio state
42:04
Speaker 3: might get a deal because they got they got a
42:06
Speaker 3: deal and a steal From Will howard.
42:08
Speaker 2: For sure got a hell of a deal On julian
42:10
Speaker 2: year one. Too, YES i just to, me it's like
42:14
Speaker 2: the way we, see you, know looking at the AND
42:17
Speaker 2: i ran the data of the class Of Julian sand's,
42:20
Speaker 2: class who they're now in their third. Year there's only
42:24
Speaker 2: six kids in that class that were ranked in the
42:26
Speaker 2: top twenty five quarterbacks that are still at. School number
42:28
Speaker 2: one which is just mind. Blowing and because of, THAT
42:32
Speaker 2: i care so much less about quarterback recruiting because it's
42:36
Speaker 2: just going to be so fluid every year with quarterback
42:39
Speaker 2: THAT i, mean the years of trying to project what
42:42
Speaker 2: the room's going to look like from year to, year
42:44
Speaker 2: just like it's, ridiculous it's silly at most, positions it's
42:48
Speaker 2: a ridiculous exercise.
42:49
Speaker 3: There, well and you just go and look at all
42:52
Speaker 3: of the quarterbacks that they've signed that have left and
42:55
Speaker 3: every year or, TWO i will just long right up
42:58
Speaker 3: The Ryan day quarterback timeline since he came To Ohio
43:02
Speaker 3: state in twenty, seventeen and just all of the, commitments
43:06
Speaker 3: the de, commitments the, transfers you, know like they're into
43:11
Speaker 3: the weeds, man and it's just it's always, something but
43:17
Speaker 3: they do just. Find and then there's also the fact
43:19
Speaker 3: that how how LONG tv sick. THERE i think he's
43:24
Speaker 3: going to be, fine really. Good it should could be
43:26
Speaker 3: the the number one overall draft. Pick but how many
43:31
Speaker 3: times can you pay a guy to not play for two?
43:35
Speaker 3: Years well a lot of, money, yeah, so and can
43:39
Speaker 3: you have two guys on your bench like? THAT i
43:41
Speaker 3: don't know that that's just.
43:42
Speaker 2: It that's Why i've always thought this talking point was total.
43:44
Speaker 2: Nonsense that is so against what they do and what
43:47
Speaker 2: we know that they do to carry two dollar quarterbacks
43:52
Speaker 2: for two years and then they battle out and one
43:54
Speaker 2: transfers not that's not how they. Operate that would be
43:57
Speaker 2: totally and it's sound like they need the. Numbers the
44:00
Speaker 2: numbers would be exactly the same as they are this.
44:02
Speaker 2: Year but, anyway moving, along a lot Of tony AND
44:08
Speaker 2: i like talk about positional value and things like investing
44:11
Speaker 2: and where where it's smarter and where it's. Not we
44:15
Speaker 2: haven't talked in a long time about running back positional
44:17
Speaker 2: value in investing in. Freshmen David Gabriel george is obviously
44:22
Speaker 2: the talk of the fan base based on the numbers
44:25
Speaker 2: he just put out last week of four three eight
44:27
Speaker 2: forty three seventy five bench six hundred pound squad and
44:31
Speaker 2: now officially up to two hundred and twenty, pounds which
44:34
Speaker 2: means we're looking at a guy in college that's probably
44:37
Speaker 2: gonna be like a two hundred and thirty pounds, back
44:39
Speaker 2: and he's already a bruiser that's fast and twitched up
44:44
Speaker 2: and seemingly has all of the intangibles That Ohio state
44:48
Speaker 2: loves the. Family everything seems, like might we now be
44:53
Speaker 2: talking about positional value at running? Back and all that
44:56
Speaker 2: conversation gets thrown out the window because he's starting to
44:59
Speaker 2: maybe hit this this tier where it's like things are
45:03
Speaker 2: a little special, here and the conversation just starts.
45:06
Speaker 3: Shifting, WELL i think there's always a, cap and in
45:12
Speaker 3: terms of price on a, PLAYER i know from Everything
45:17
Speaker 3: i've been, told like people At Ohio state are, like
45:21
Speaker 3: this is a first round pick and can do everything
45:26
Speaker 3: that we feel comfortable doing to.
45:29
Speaker 2: To bring him. In and.
45:32
Speaker 3: The name is known all over the. Whack his name is,
45:37
Speaker 3: known and it's going to be you've seen the. Pictures
45:40
Speaker 3: it's all hands on. DECK i still think at some
45:43
Speaker 3: point that if the price gets too, high, though they will.
45:46
Speaker 3: Walk there's what does he give you that you can't
45:53
Speaker 3: necessarily get From like what what does he give you
45:57
Speaker 3: so much more that that you don't get from other?
46:00
Speaker 3: Players and it's, like, well you, know Quinchoh On judkins
46:03
Speaker 3: And Treyvon henderson as two second round, picks gave you
46:06
Speaker 3: a heck of a lot and those are the two
46:08
Speaker 3: most talented guys you've. Had what did you do you?
46:10
Speaker 3: Want a national, Championship so maybe that's what it gives.
46:12
Speaker 3: You that's what the elite of the elite will get
46:16
Speaker 3: you is they will get you that national. Championship they
46:19
Speaker 3: will break that, tackle they will get those extra five,
46:22
Speaker 3: hundred four hundred and five hundred yards that were left
46:24
Speaker 3: on the field that you go back and look from
46:26
Speaker 3: other players and, see, like you see what happened. Here
46:29
Speaker 3: this wouldn't happen maybe with another. Player but there's gonna
46:36
Speaker 3: be politics. Involved there's going to be.
46:39
Speaker 2: You, know.
46:40
Speaker 3: If this is because the number is going to be
46:42
Speaker 3: out there and whether it's accurate or. Not if he
46:45
Speaker 3: ends up committing and, Signing Pete nakros will have the,
46:48
Speaker 3: number and then that will become. Fact and then you've
46:52
Speaker 3: got other running backs At Ohio state that are, like
46:55
Speaker 3: well what about if that's his. Number he hasn't done anything.
46:59
Speaker 3: Yet i'm you, Know i've rushed for twenty four hundred
47:01
Speaker 3: yards in my first two years as a buck. Eye you,
47:04
Speaker 3: know somebody might say Bo jackson, perhaps and so what
47:07
Speaker 3: are you going to do for? Me so that's the
47:09
Speaker 3: thing with whenever you bring in anybody that at whatever,
47:13
Speaker 3: price you're also raising the price of the others in
47:17
Speaker 3: the room and others, around you, know other players that
47:21
Speaker 3: are important to your program that are going to be, like,
47:25
Speaker 3: hey so it's not just three million For David Gabriel
47:30
Speaker 3: george as just a random. Number it's going to be six,
47:33
Speaker 3: million three for him and three for the other people
47:37
Speaker 3: who are going to be impacted by it or want
47:41
Speaker 3: to leave because of.
47:42
Speaker 2: It. YEAH i mean the interesting thing, is like we
47:46
Speaker 2: we know at least they're pretty sure that in the
47:48
Speaker 2: negotiations that they had With bo over the, summer they
47:51
Speaker 2: weren't seeing him as a top tier like their top
47:54
Speaker 2: tier At Ohio. State and If David Gabriel george is
47:59
Speaker 2: like commanded a million ish dollars for them to pay,
48:02
Speaker 2: that that's now seeing him as top tier and he
48:05
Speaker 2: hasn't played, Yet and that sounds like a situation that
48:09
Speaker 2: could get sticky really. Quickly you. KNOW i look At
48:12
Speaker 2: bow and the rap that he, gets AND i just, Think,
48:15
Speaker 2: man if this dude would have just busted, too just
48:19
Speaker 2: two of those safety tackles and taken at the, DISTANCE
48:22
Speaker 2: i wonder how differently people would talk about, it because
48:25
Speaker 2: it seemed like everyone was just rounter and he just
48:30
Speaker 2: couldn't do it can't he do it this? Year and
48:33
Speaker 2: if he does, well then all of a sudden things get,
48:36
Speaker 2: real real.
48:37
Speaker 3: Interesting, well if he does and you, know he rushes
48:42
Speaker 3: for fourteen hundred or, whatever you expect that he would
48:44
Speaker 3: leave after twenty twenty. Seven so there's that aspect of
48:49
Speaker 3: it as. WELL i do expect him to break those
48:52
Speaker 3: tackles or make those tacklers miss this. Year And Carlos
48:57
Speaker 3: locklin has tried to explain to people he missed most
49:00
Speaker 3: of his senior season and last year was you, know
49:04
Speaker 3: it was what it. Was and he was still one
49:06
Speaker 3: of two true freshmen to rush for a thousand. Yards
49:08
Speaker 3: he's still average six point one yards of, caring which
49:10
Speaker 3: is a very it's a good enough number true. Freshmen
49:13
Speaker 3: so to the critical aspect of it, is you're, right
49:19
Speaker 3: like just a couple of plays score Against indiana from
49:22
Speaker 3: what ten yards out or, whatever and it's like they're
49:25
Speaker 3: people are gonna love. You it's not doing, that which
49:28
Speaker 3: is what people are, Like, oh you, know you just
49:30
Speaker 3: leave them wanting and they'll ignore everything. Else they're just
49:33
Speaker 3: talking about what's what you didn't? Do AND i think
49:36
Speaker 3: you could have something special in store and whatever that
49:39
Speaker 3: number is if it comes down to him And David,
49:43
Speaker 3: Gabriel george say he rushes for fourteen hundred yards and
49:46
Speaker 3: it comes down to those. Two it's like any other
49:49
Speaker 3: business decision or any other sports. Decision do you take
49:52
Speaker 3: the guy with one year left or the guy with
49:54
Speaker 3: three years?
49:55
Speaker 2: Left? Yeah, yeah, now BUT i am with you. There
49:59
Speaker 2: there there's no guy that any program Like Ohio state
50:04
Speaker 2: can just be, like you, know there's no. Number we
50:07
Speaker 2: won't say, no like we're just gonna pay. Infinitely people
50:12
Speaker 2: don't understand, That. TONY i. DON'T i don't quite get
50:14
Speaker 2: where they're coming. From, like you, can't you can't just
50:17
Speaker 2: go on. Forever there has to be a cap or
50:20
Speaker 2: else you're sacrificing at other positions and they already are,
50:24
Speaker 2: yes as we. Know we've talked about the tight end
50:26
Speaker 2: position WHERE i think that people got the impression Because
50:30
Speaker 2: Keenan bailey is such a talented recruiter that he can
50:34
Speaker 2: get himself in the top two of a guy Like
50:36
Speaker 2: Max sutter the number, one number two tight end in
50:39
Speaker 2: the country In Brock williams number one number two tight
50:42
Speaker 2: in the, country and back to back years hit himself
50:44
Speaker 2: in the top two and have the impression that Oh
50:47
Speaker 2: House state's taking a, swing when really they never. Were
50:50
Speaker 2: they never had the intention of supporting. Him he's just that.
50:53
Speaker 2: Good and really where they're shopping isn't tier, one it
50:59
Speaker 2: isn't even tier. Two as we see R J, days
51:02
Speaker 2: literal tight end doesn't even. Have you, know he's not
51:05
Speaker 2: even coming for an official To Ohio. State he's out
51:08
Speaker 2: and he's a top ten tight end now just got
51:11
Speaker 2: in the top. Ten Mason oglesby out Of. Indiana another
51:14
Speaker 2: guy that's come in and. Visited he's very. Unlikely Sean,
51:17
Speaker 2: curry the six foot seven to three star out Of New,
51:20
Speaker 2: jersey WHO i, loved is NOW i don't believe anymore
51:23
Speaker 2: going to be a guy who they're in. ON i,
51:25
Speaker 2: mean they're really squeezing at that. Position and the reason
51:29
Speaker 2: that they're doing it is because they think he can
51:32
Speaker 2: go find a dude and the difference won't be that.
51:34
Speaker 2: Much AND i believe he can and likely has In Brady.
51:39
Speaker 2: Johnson but now you get to take that money and
51:41
Speaker 2: you get to put it on your novelty. Positions go
51:44
Speaker 2: win your big, Ones go make sure you KEEP Dj
51:48
Speaker 2: jacobs in the. Class go Get David Gabriel george And,
51:51
Speaker 2: land those big, dogs and then for some other positions
51:55
Speaker 2: like tight, end like maybe cornerback this. Year win with the.
51:58
Speaker 2: Evaluations SO i think they're doing a great.
52:00
Speaker 3: Job there's nothing wrong with shopping at The burlington tight end.
52:04
Speaker 3: Factory they've got they've got good stuff, there and you
52:08
Speaker 3: AND i are lockstep when it comes to five, stars
52:13
Speaker 3: six foot five two and ten pound tight. Ends don't need,
52:15
Speaker 3: them don't want them for. It, uh it's it's give
52:20
Speaker 3: me A mason and then we'll see how they. Play
52:21
Speaker 3: give you A Mason, Williams Hunter Well, sing Will, Kes,
52:24
Speaker 3: Merrick Max claire every single year and we'll see if
52:28
Speaker 3: anybody that you recruit comes along and develops and is
52:31
Speaker 3: ready to. Go, Now Nate, ROBERTS i think he's gonna
52:33
Speaker 3: be fantastic this. Year So i'm not saying you just
52:36
Speaker 3: ignore the high school, recruiting but if you're gonna spend
52:39
Speaker 3: on one or the, other spend on the transfer portal
52:42
Speaker 3: for tight ends because you know more of what you've got,
52:44
Speaker 3: there and do both because you need as many tight
52:49
Speaker 3: ends as you can, get as we. Know BUT i
52:53
Speaker 3: DON'T i don't want the. Process the guy that you
52:59
Speaker 3: know well we've got got to get him. Stronger and
53:01
Speaker 3: you know he was a pass catcher first in high,
53:03
Speaker 3: school so we got to get the blocking. Aspect, okay
53:06
Speaker 3: talk to me in year three, then because With Jeremy
53:09
Speaker 3: ruckerd it was always you, know he's gonna this coming.
53:11
Speaker 3: Year we always got another. Year he's got to get,
53:13
Speaker 3: stronger and you know it's just, like, okay but What Luke, Ferrell,
53:19
Speaker 3: Boom Nick, vanna you, know Red shirt a bit Like Jeff,
53:22
Speaker 3: hyreman but you know they're ready to. Show AND i
53:25
Speaker 3: think the more you can get out of that if you're,
53:27
Speaker 3: gonna if you're gonna go through the high school, ranks
53:31
Speaker 3: get guys that are ready to go as thank you.
53:34
Speaker 3: Said it's the evaluation And i'm not saying play guys as,
53:37
Speaker 3: freshman But Nate roberts he was able to do that
53:39
Speaker 3: last year and it will be better for it this.
53:42
Speaker 3: Year but stay away from the six five to two ten.
53:44
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53:50
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