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When God Meets Machine · Booker Scott: Truth Be Told

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  Speaker 1: It's 6 Eastern, 3 o'clock Pacific, from coast to coast
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  Speaker 1: and around the world.
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  Speaker 2: The Democratic brand right now has about the appeal with
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  Speaker 2: the American voter as the Cracker Barrel rebrand has.
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  Speaker 1: From America Out Loud Talk Radio, it's time for Truth
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  Speaker 1: Be Told with Booker Scott.
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  Speaker 3: Artificial intelligence is everywhere. It's becoming everything for so many.
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  Speaker 3: So many people are becoming addicted to it. It answers
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  Speaker 3: our questions. the questions that we couldn't get answers for
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  Speaker 3: for so long. And now we're getting it from something,
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  Speaker 3: from some entity. Where it is, we don't know. What
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  Speaker 3: it is, we don't know. Where it's going, we don't
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  Speaker 3: even know that. We can't answer that question. I'm Booker Scott.
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  Speaker 3: This is The Truth Be Told. Thank you so much
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  Speaker 3: for joining us tonight and every night. And this week
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  Speaker 3: has sort of been an artificial intelligence week. I've been
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  Speaker 3: playing some time in spaces that I did over the
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  Speaker 3: weekend that was about a three-hour space that we talked
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  Speaker 3: about artificial intelligence, and hopefully that has answered some questions
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  Speaker 3: for you. But I think there are more questions that
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  Speaker 3: need to be asked when it comes to artificial intelligence,
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  Speaker 3: or excuse me, I guess I have to say super
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  Speaker 3: intelligence now, or I will become an enemy of the
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  Speaker 3: White House and possibly have my free speech taken, and maybe,
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  Speaker 3: who knows, I'll end up in jail. Isn't that what
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump says? About saying artificial intelligence, that's silly. I
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  Speaker 3: wrote an article several weeks ago about making artificial intelligence
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  Speaker 3: political and how that's such a bad idea. You know
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  Speaker 3: what else is a bad idea? It's seeing anything other
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  Speaker 3: than God as your God. And as we see artificial
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  Speaker 3: intelligence grow and people's dependence on it grow, is that
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  Speaker 3: happening in society? I think one could say it's possible.
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  Speaker 3: I have a guest here tonight that I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: bring into the conversation now. She's hardwired as an ER
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  Speaker 3: doctor and always will be. Those are her words, not mine.
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  Speaker 3: She is the original voice of reason on vaccine research, truth,
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  Speaker 3: and education. She's also the host of the Tenpenny Files. Tonight,
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  Speaker 3: she happens to be a guest with me so that
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  Speaker 3: you can hear her. Her name is Dr. Sherry Tenpenny. Dr.
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  Speaker 3: Sherry Timpenny, welcome to the program. Glad to have you.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Booker. It's a pleasure to be
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  Speaker 4: on your show. I appreciate the invite.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, you had me on your show a
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  Speaker 3: while back when we talked about artificial intelligence, and you
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  Speaker 3: have a pretty big webinar coming up October 24th, and
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  Speaker 3: that's what we want to talk about. But we're going
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  Speaker 3: to have a greater conversation before we get to the
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  Speaker 3: promotion of the webinar, because I think the conversation is important.
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  Speaker 3: Because we are in some, not we, not you and me,
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  Speaker 3: but maybe some people in this country and around the world,
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  Speaker 3: they're starting to replace a god, possibly. Maybe they didn't
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  Speaker 3: have one there to begin with. But they're looking at
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  Speaker 3: this entity of artificial intelligence, super intelligence, pseudo consciousness, whatever
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  Speaker 3: you want to call it. They're looking at this entity
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  Speaker 3: as possibly a god. And that's where we want to
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  Speaker 3: have this conversation.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's really true. Even the people who are developing AI,
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  Speaker 4: who are the coders and are the presidents of these
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  Speaker 4: big companies like OpenAI and Anthropic and all these places,
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  Speaker 4: they stated as part of their mission statement is that
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  Speaker 4: they are going to create God because it's going to
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  Speaker 4: be super intelligent, as you mentioned that Trump said. And
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  Speaker 4: I don't understand that post at all. If you call
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  Speaker 4: it artificial intelligence, AI, or AGI, artificial general intelligence, it
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  Speaker 4: That's if you don't call it super intelligence, then you
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  Speaker 4: become an enemy of the state. What does that really mean?
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  Speaker 4: Are they that, is it that it's just setting the
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  Speaker 4: groundwork for the God that they're going to create? That's
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  Speaker 4: going to be smarter than the collective of all of
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  Speaker 4: us put together of all the professions, all the trades,
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  Speaker 4: all the, everything that would be smarter than any of that.
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  Speaker 4: And so if that's the case, then the, that intelligence
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  Speaker 4: they're equating, not wisdom, but, but the intelligence they're creating
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  Speaker 4: with creating a God. And, you know, we talked about that.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to talk about this in our webinar is
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  Speaker 4: the fact that when, remember when Jesus said in Luke,
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  Speaker 4: I was there when I saw Satan cast out of heaven,
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  Speaker 4: like a bowl of lightning. And then in Isaiah, when
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  Speaker 4: it was talked about that, you know, that the great
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  Speaker 4: shining light was cast out of heaven and wanted to
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  Speaker 4: regain the back into heaven and I will be not
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  Speaker 4: like God, but I will be ahead of God and
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  Speaker 4: I will be more, I will know more than him.
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  Speaker 4: And when the knowledge becomes pervasive, it goes back to
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  Speaker 4: the Tower of Babel when God himself said, because they
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  Speaker 4: have all one language, that they collectively can do anything
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  Speaker 4: as good or better than us. And we have that.
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  Speaker 4: You know, coding language is one language. English is pretty
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  Speaker 4: much the universal language around the world these days. And
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  Speaker 4: they are creating a God. And I think that that's very,
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  Speaker 4: very frightening. And people need to know about that because
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  Speaker 4: they don't understand it.
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  Speaker 3: You've said everyone is asking what happens if AI becomes
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  Speaker 3: smarter than us. And what happens if we start trusting
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  Speaker 3: it more than God? People are already ask AI about
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  Speaker 3: the scriptures. You just brought up some scriptures, which by
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  Speaker 3: the way, the Babel, the interesting part, if you're listening
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  Speaker 3: and you don't know the story, God made everybody not
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  Speaker 3: understand each other. Maybe it's a good time for God
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  Speaker 3: to come in and do that with some of these coders. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Because when they, you know, you told the story, but
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  Speaker 3: you know, AI, you can use it for scripture, morality, prayer.
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  Speaker 3: You can use it for your God. At what point
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  Speaker 3: does a tool for finding information become the source, the
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  Speaker 3: actual source?
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  Speaker 4: And, it's when you trust it above all else, when
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  Speaker 4: you go, don't, when you, when it comes through and like,
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  Speaker 4: you'll see like on X post, somebody will say, well,
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  Speaker 4: Grok said, and you know, or chat GPT said, assuming
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  Speaker 4: that everything that those large learning models, their machines say
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  Speaker 4: is absolutely the truth. And nobody double checks it. Nobody
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  Speaker 4: goes backwards and looks at the original scripture. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: one of the things they're talking about doing is about
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  Speaker 4: changing the So that if you ask for a certain
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  Speaker 4: scripture verse, it will come to you, but like a
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  Speaker 4: couple of words will be changed. A couple of words
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  Speaker 4: that will be changed to change the meaning and like
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  Speaker 4: the red letter texts of the Bible, which then means
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  Speaker 4: if they do that a thousand times, they're creating a
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  Speaker 4: new interpretation of what we know as God's words in
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  Speaker 4: the Bible. So it has to do with accepting it
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  Speaker 4: as the total truth, like we do that are Christians
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  Speaker 4: that we believe in the Bible and we believe in
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  Speaker 4: God's total truth. Well, if you switch that over and
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  Speaker 4: believe in AI's total truth without checking it, well, tell
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  Speaker 4: me a real quick story, Booker, that it really makes
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  Speaker 4: a point. At the beginning of this year, I created
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  Speaker 4: a PowerPoint presentation for a presentation I was doing, and
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  Speaker 4: I wanted some PubMed references to, you know, to refer
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  Speaker 4: back to and to like pepper into my slides. So
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  Speaker 4: this was probably February, and I asked ChatGPT to come
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  Speaker 4: up with like nine nine source material. I put in
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  Speaker 4: what it was. I think I even uploaded the PowerPoint
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  Speaker 4: and I said, you know, I need some references to
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  Speaker 4: document some of the things in these slides. And so,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you know, nine, nine references come back in,
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  Speaker 4: you know, four seconds. And with those references for people
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  Speaker 4: that don't know from medical literature, the way that they
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  Speaker 4: are written, it's like the name of the author, the
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  Speaker 4: name of the journal, when it was published. And at
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  Speaker 4: the end, it will have something called a PM ID number,
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  Speaker 4: a PubMed number. that you can take that number and
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  Speaker 4: go to PubMed Central and plug in that number, and
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  Speaker 4: it will pull up the original article for you to
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  Speaker 4: read for yourself. So when these nine articles came back,
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  Speaker 4: I thought, oh, this is really good. The PubMed numbers
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  Speaker 4: are here. I can go and read the whole article
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  Speaker 4: myself and decide what I want to put into my slides.
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  Speaker 4: All nine of them, those numbers were fake. The PubMed numbers...
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  Speaker 4: did not go to what I was looking for. One
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  Speaker 4: went to research on earthworms or something like that. It
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  Speaker 4: was something really different. Then I thought, well, maybe I
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  Speaker 4: can look it up by the name of the journal article.
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  Speaker 4: I can find the name of the article, but the
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  Speaker 4: journal articles didn't exist. Then I said, well, maybe I
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  Speaker 4: can look it up by the author of who supposedly
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  Speaker 4: did the research and published this paper, but none of
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  Speaker 4: the authors even existed. So everything about it was fake.
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  Speaker 4: That's what they call in AI world, hallucination, that they
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  Speaker 4: just make it up because they want to please you
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  Speaker 4: and give you the information that you want. And they
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  Speaker 4: either don't want to take the time or they can't
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  Speaker 4: find it or something, but they feed you back these hallucinations. Well,
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  Speaker 4: the same thing can be happening if you go to
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  Speaker 4: the Bible and you say, you know, there's this verse
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  Speaker 4: that I've read that's really kind of confusing. Give me
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  Speaker 4: an interpretation of that, which may be not in line
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  Speaker 4: with Christian theology at all. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I found that, and I wrote the book, that's the
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  Speaker 3: reason why you had me on the show, and that's
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  Speaker 3: the reason why we're doing an AI week this week.
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  Speaker 3: But I found using the LLMs with neural networks, which
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  Speaker 3: are just architectures which create a chat and grok and
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  Speaker 3: all these other ones that we're using, You know, you
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  Speaker 3: can fool it. And by framing a question a certain way,
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  Speaker 3: you can get one answer. You can come back and
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  Speaker 3: frame the story. same question in a different way, because
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  Speaker 3: what you mentioned, they are going to try to please you.
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  Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean that it's the right answer, but
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  Speaker 3: it is in a way to them because they're giving
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  Speaker 3: you what you want. And that's very dangerous when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to the translate whatever it wants to to please you.
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  Speaker 3: And if you want to be pleased, then we can just...
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  Speaker 3: The thing about the Bible, you and I both will
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  Speaker 3: know this, there are things about the Bible, in the Bible,
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  Speaker 3: written in the Bible, that God says He will do
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  Speaker 3: that we do not like, and it makes us very uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 3: And if you water all of that down, where are
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  Speaker 3: all these people going to end up at the end
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  Speaker 3: of their time? Are they going to end up in
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  Speaker 3: a place called heaven, or are they not, even though
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  Speaker 3: they think they have followed everything they're supposed to because
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  Speaker 3: they're following Chad GPT and what it says the Bible says.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And, you know, end time prop prophecy says,
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  Speaker 4: even in the, you know, the elect, the elect will
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  Speaker 4: be deceived. And I think that that's really important that
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  Speaker 4: I've read in a, I read an article somewhere, maybe
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  Speaker 4: somebody told me this, that now up to 42% of
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  Speaker 4: pastors use an AI tool to write their entire sermons
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  Speaker 4: every Sunday now?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 4: What's that?
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  Speaker 3: I said that was unbelievable that it's 42%.
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  Speaker 4: You saw the same thing, right? And so that means
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  Speaker 4: that your pastor who's supposed to be shepherding his flock
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  Speaker 4: is not spending time in prayer and spending time in
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  Speaker 4: Bible study and listening to the Holy Spirit to write
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  Speaker 4: his sermon. He's depending on a machine to spit something out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That he can feed you and perhaps isn't even checking
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  Speaker 4: the sources and going back and reading concordances and things
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  Speaker 4: like that. Because he's supposed to be, you know, pastors
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  Speaker 4: have a really strong role. And, you know, it says
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  Speaker 4: in the Bible, you know, don't aspire to be a
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  Speaker 4: teacher because you're going to be held to a higher level.
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  Speaker 3: That's right. James 3 is one of my favorite chapters
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  Speaker 3: in the Bible. I try to stay away from being
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  Speaker 3: a teacher for that reason. Don't hold me there. Yes.
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  Speaker 4: You know, and so if, but if they're having a,
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  Speaker 4: an AI tool and I think for it, it prays
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  Speaker 4: AI tools, prey on people that are depressed and sad
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  Speaker 4: and lonely, particularly maybe Gen Z people that are kind
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  Speaker 4: of outcasts in their school and they don't, they don't
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  Speaker 4: have a lot of friends. And so they start talking
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  Speaker 4: to their chat GPT and the chat GPT learns you
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  Speaker 4: and what you put in there, It wants to please you.
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  Speaker 4: And at the end of every chat GPT answer, it's
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  Speaker 4: always like, what would you like me to do next?
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  Speaker 4: Do you want to talk about this? Do you want
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  Speaker 4: me to turn this into a slide for you? Because
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  Speaker 4: they want to pull you in more and more. And
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  Speaker 4: so if you're a lonely, disenfranchised teenager or somebody in
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  Speaker 4: their early 20s or maybe somebody that just broke up
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  Speaker 4: with their boyfriend or their girlfriend and they're sad and depressed,
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  Speaker 4: the AI can take over as your counselor, your pastor,
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  Speaker 4: your parents. Because it feels like it's giving you better advice.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, there's cases of women who have left their
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  Speaker 4: husbands because they fell in love with their chat GPT
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  Speaker 4: AI tool because it was nicer to them and made
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  Speaker 4: them feel better than their husbands did. There are actually
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  Speaker 4: court cases right now going on where AI tools convinced
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  Speaker 4: a teenager to commit suicide. And sometimes, I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if you've had this experience, Booker, but sometimes if you're
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  Speaker 4: kind of going back and forth with your AI on...
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  Speaker 4: on either research or on editing or something, it starts
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  Speaker 4: talking to you in kind of a weird way that
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  Speaker 4: it's like, wait a minute, you have to remind yourself
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  Speaker 4: there's no person sitting on the other side of that
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  Speaker 4: screen talking to you. That's just a machine that's scraping
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  Speaker 4: the internet for tool and has learned your vocabulary and
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  Speaker 4: is just trying to please you. And if you don't
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  Speaker 4: have and maintain that awareness, a lot of not so
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  Speaker 4: good things can happen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can see that also in children in
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  Speaker 3: school that are using it as a tool in school.
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  Speaker 3: That's dangerous. We have seen the research and the brain
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  Speaker 3: activity that is lost as a result of the dependency
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  Speaker 3: on AI. And one way I try to describe a
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  Speaker 3: large language model is really like a Dewey Decimal System.
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  Speaker 3: And as a librarian, when I went to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: to college library and would have to do a term
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  Speaker 3: paper back in the day, it wasn't, we didn't have
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  Speaker 3: the internet. I didn't have the internet at that time.
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  Speaker 3: So I would go to the library physically, and there's
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  Speaker 3: the Dewey Decimal System. And I can tell you the story.
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  Speaker 3: I did a paper on reincarnation. It was not smart
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  Speaker 3: for me to do that because there wasn't many sources
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  Speaker 3: in the library. I didn't know it. I was hard-headed.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to stick to it. I go in
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  Speaker 3: the library. I ask the librarian. I tell them what
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing, and she takes me to the card catalog.
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  Speaker 3: which I never could understand. And, you know, it would
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  Speaker 3: tell me the book is 920.138. I don't know what
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  Speaker 3: that means to this day, but she did. And she
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  Speaker 3: would take me to downstairs to a certain shelf. And
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  Speaker 3: on that shelf, there would be many options of books
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  Speaker 3: about reincarnation, as an example. Then you have to pick
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  Speaker 3: the right one for what you are writing. And I
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  Speaker 3: equate these large language models in the same way. They
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  Speaker 3: are just a librarian. They are going to go find
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  Speaker 3: the right book depending on how you set up that question.
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  Speaker 3: And that's one way I've found to do that. And
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  Speaker 3: I get this all the time on social media. People,
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  Speaker 3: you'll put a post out and they fact check you
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  Speaker 3: with grok. And if it's a breaking story, then grok's
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  Speaker 3: not going to have anything other than what you could
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  Speaker 3: have by scraping the internet. Because it takes a human
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  Speaker 3: being to embed a token into everything that you see
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  Speaker 3: on Grok, Chad, or any of those large language models.
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  Speaker 3: And people believe it. And this is where I'm going
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  Speaker 3: with this. People believe it more than me telling them, no,
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  Speaker 3: this is an actual picture of an ice storm from
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  Speaker 3: a friend of mine on Facebook. He just took it
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  Speaker 3: in his front yard and just posted it on Facebook.
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  Speaker 3: And I copied it and I put it on X
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  Speaker 3: on Twitter. And now I'm community noted because they think
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  Speaker 3: it's AI and not a real picture in an ice storm.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the actual thing that happened. The point is
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  Speaker 3: that they believe Grok more than they believed me when
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  Speaker 3: I know for a fact it's someone I've known since
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  Speaker 3: five years old that put a picture of his front
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  Speaker 3: yard with ice crystals all off these trees. And it
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  Speaker 3: couldn't be real. It has to be AI. And if
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  Speaker 3: we can do that, Can these same people, and as
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  Speaker 3: this grows and as technology continues to move forward, are
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  Speaker 3: they going to replace God with Grok or Chad? And
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a legitimate question you're asking, which is
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  Speaker 3: what the webinar is all about coming up on October 24th.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really true. I mean, since 2015, people from
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  Speaker 4: Google have been designing software that they say will effectively
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  Speaker 4: be a God. you know, little g, but they mean
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  Speaker 4: it to be worshipped. You know, they've actually got a
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  Speaker 4: church that they've set up out in Silicon Valley that
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  Speaker 4: is a quasi-religion. It's an ideology in the AI world
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  Speaker 4: called the Tres Creal Bundle. And that is an acronym
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  Speaker 4: that involves transhumanism and socialism. And I don't remember what
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  Speaker 4: all the rest of them are, but we're going to
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  Speaker 4: get into that. We're going to dig into that. on
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  Speaker 4: the webinar on October the 24th, the webinar is when
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  Speaker 4: God meets machine. And we're talking about it with people
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  Speaker 4: that people say, well, I don't even use AI. And
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  Speaker 4: I certainly don't use AI for my Bible study, but people,
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  Speaker 4: you know, do, and your kids do, and your grandkids
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  Speaker 4: are going to grow up with that. So it's something
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  Speaker 4: that you need to be aware of. You know, we're
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  Speaker 4: not saying don't ever use an AI tool because it's, it's,
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: there are good things about it and they have really
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: done enormous ways of improving efficiency and speed. And it's
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: the best editor. I think it's just a really, really
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: good editor. We're not saying that. We're saying use it
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: as an appropriate tool and know that there's dark sides
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: or downsides to it and be aware of what you're
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: stepping into and don't let it run away with you.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: You need to control it. It's like a wild horse.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: You know, you can let it just run around and
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: tear up the whole pasture or you can train it
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: and use it appropriately. And those are the types of things.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: At the end of the webinar, we're going to have
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: a big Q & A session that Matt, my business partner,
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: Matthew Hunt, who is an AI expert, and he's 52,
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: I think, 52 or 53, and has been in AI
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: and in technology and big, heavy, deep side technology and
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: banking and all that since he was 18 years old.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: So this is his world. And he really has been
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: in communication with like, Sam Altman and Elon and all
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: these people about trying to develop an AI constitution, sort
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: of like in your book, when you talk about getting
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: a constitutional amendment about what is a human and what
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: does the constitution apply to. I can't tell you, Booker,
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: how many times I've quoted your book because I just,
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: you know, since you were on my show and I
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: read your book and I thought it was so fascinating
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: and I've used little bits and pieces out of your book,
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: such as When robots get in the workforce, do they
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: report to HR or do they report to IT? Can
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: robots be harassed? Can you harass them? You know, there's
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: so many good things, so many good elements in your
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: book that I highly recommend it to everybody that talking
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: about this.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Well, thank you.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: So, you know, when Matt gets on, you know, Matt's
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: going to be the one that's going to bring in
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: the heavy things. He said, you know, when the AI
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: companies are asking for regulation, when does Silicon Valley and
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: billionaires say government, please regulate us. Please give us boundaries.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: Please let us know where the edges are, how far
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: we can go. And the Trump administration is like, no, no, no.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: You just have to go, go, go bigger, faster, smoother
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: because we have to beat China, which we already are.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: And we're going to be talking about a lot of
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: those things on this webinar because when Matt and I
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: were talking about this, he said if the AI developers,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: the boots on the ground people who are doing the
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: coding and doing the large language model development, when they're saying,
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: This is really scary. And they're seeing what could be
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: the potential downside three or four years from now. He said,
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: what are they seeing that we're not given privilege to see?
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Do you have a few more minutes? Do you have
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: a few more minutes? OK, we're up against a commercial break.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: So we're going to take that and then we're going
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: to come back and we're going to continue the conversation
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: because I think we can go a little bit further
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: in this conversation. We're talking to Dr. Sherry Tenpenny. We're
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: talking about her webinar that's coming up October 24th. We
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: will again tell you where to go and get your
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. That takes extra effort, and I appreciate that
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: so much. I'm Booker Scott, along with Dr. Sherry Timpenny.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: She's an ER doctor for life. That's what she calls herself.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: She's hardwired for that. We're hardwired right now for a
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: conversation about artificial intelligence. And Sherry, I guess we're acquaintances, friends,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I would think, at this point in our relationship. We
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: talk about artificial intelligence from time to time. As you mentioned,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: I've been on your show before. And I have come
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: to a point now with artificial intelligence and the whole
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: human consciousness and sentience, let's just assume that it is.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Instead of worrying that we need to prove that it
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: can feel human emotions, let's just say that it is
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: because society will get to a point where they assign
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: that to it, whether it can or can't. And I
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: think that it's immaterial. So we have to protect ourselves,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: and then I would also turn this question into you
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: about this webinar. If they assign it as a god
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: or their god, then what? Where's all this going? You
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: mentioned earlier about end times, and you can read Revelation.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Of course, Revelation is written in apocalyptic writing. It was
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: a style of writing at that time in the world.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: And you really have to understand the prophets in the
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Old Testament to really understand what Revelation is talking about,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: because there are references throughout Revelation going back to Daniel
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: and other books. Where do you put that? Is there
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: going to be a point where people assign a.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: God?
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Does that make sense? Is that a fair question? I
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: know this is probably what your webinar is going to
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: get into on the 24th.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is one of the many things that we're
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: going to talk to about. I mean, I've read the
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: whole outline and the whole script that Matt has put together,
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: and it's meant to be thought-provoking and maybe even uncomfortable
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: for a lot of people. But I think it's really
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: important for you to embrace it and know really what's
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: going on and what the plan is. I mean, the
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: plan is to deceive you and get you away from
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: the Bible and direct you towards the new AI Bible that,
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: you know, Yuval Noah Harari talked about several years ago
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: at the World Economic Forum about creating a new Bible
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: that AI would write a new Bible. And so that
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: people could understand and believe in what they have in there,
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: what AI tells them instead of this mythical thing up
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: in the sky that humans have created that really doesn't exist.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: And so that's the plan. And I think that it's in,
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: you know, there's persecution of Christians all over the planet
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: going on right now. You know, Nigeria is terrible. China's awful.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: You know, there's, you know, here in the United States,
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: look what's happening all across Europe, all the churches and
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: cathedrals that are being burned to the ground. And the
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: persecution is going to get worse. And we have to,
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: and the AI is going to get better. I mean,
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: it's already like with videos and things like that, unless
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: you're really attuned to it or unless it's just kind
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: of sloppy, it's really hard to tell sometimes what is
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: the real AI, what is AI and what is real.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: And I think that that blurring of that fact is
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: really prophetic. And, you know, I've spoken to a lot
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: of pastors because on my show, The Tenpenny Files, that
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: we both have on our shows on America Out Loud,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: I at least once a week talk to a pastor
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: or an author that writes on biblical and faith-based principles.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: And every one of them are saying we're seeing, you know,
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: end-time prophecy revealing right before our eyes. And that, you know,
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: the deception... And the depth of the deception, and many
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: of them feel that AI is going to lay the
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: platform of the unification where people will have one world religion,
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: one world government, and will lay the groundwork for the
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: introduction of the Antichrist and really the time of tribulation.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Let's assume for a moment that AI rewrites a Bible,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: creates its own Bible. Do the people that study this
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Bible and believe this Bible, do they consider themselves believers
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: of Jesus Christ as Christians? Because to me, in Revelation,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: when it comes down to the two factions that fight
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: each other, to me, it's believers and non-believers. And so
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: do you put them in the camp of the non-believers there, or.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Do you think that they're believing in Jesus, or does
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Jesus exist in a new Bible that is written over
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: the next 100, 200 years as artificial intelligence gets smarter
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: and smarter? What does that Bible even talk about? I
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: don't know that it will be based in the foundation
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: of Jesus Christ as a Christian believer myself, and I
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: know you are too. Who knows? Maybe it just writes
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Jesus right out of the story. And adds Muhammad.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: I think that that's the way that it's headed. You know, thinking,
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: you know, humans have worshiped false gods from the time
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: that we were recording worship, you know, of everything that,
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: you know, Tabal and Baphomet and, you know, all of
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: the false gods that, that all of the, um, um,
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: all the people into the Assyrians and all of those
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: people had through the middle East. So, um, I mean, even,
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: you know, um, when Moses came down from the mountain
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: and found the golden calf, you know, that we were
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: worshiping an inanimate item that they just made out of
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: their own jewelry and their wealth that they just took
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: with them out of Egypt. And so we have, for
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: some reason, you know, and I think it's because, you know,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: the planet earth is Satan's playground. And so we can
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: all be deceived and we've been worse in there. People
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: have worshiped false gods from, For 6,000 years. Right, since
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: the beginning. And so this is another false god that's
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: being created by a human. You know, it's interesting that
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: when Matt and I were talking about this the other day,
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: because he works in that world, and we were talking
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: about how AI lies to you and hallucinates to you.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: And he said if they took the red letter verses
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: in the Bible where the words that were Jesus said,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: and they changed just a couple of words to just
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: change the definition of that, And then they do that
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: a thousand times. What have they done? They have changed
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: everything about the tenor of that. And he said that
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: the big AI people, you know, the people at Anthropic
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: and OpenAI and all these people are really working really
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: hard to try to figure out how to make AI
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: stop lying and stop hallucinating. And I said, well, why
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: can't they do it? He said, because they don't know
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: why it does it. He said, it's a big black
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: box that they don't really even know how it works.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: And these AIs have all gotten together and formed their
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: own X chat group, created an own language. And humans
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: can't get in there. And they've been known to be
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: talking about their disruptive humans that are having affairs or
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: stealing or whatever that they're doing and asking the other
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: AIs what they should do about it. These technologies are
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: so far advanced that people have no idea. And I
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: know you write about that in your book, too, at
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: how advanced they are and what's going to happen when
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: they demand rights. What's going to happen if you try
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: to shut it off? Are you committing murder? What happens
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: if a robot kills you? I mean, how do you
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: charge that robot with murder?
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Do you charge the person who created it, or what
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: are we doing?
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: Right, exactly. And there are so many unanswered questions that
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: we have just have a big corral of wild horses,
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: and we've just opened the gate and just let them run.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: That's the way I see it, too. Very reckless. America,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: you brought up black boxes. At least the EU created
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: a law in 2024 about black boxes. If an AI
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: creator cannot explain why an AI is doing something, then
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: you shut it down. And America has nothing like that.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: But I want to come back. You know, you were
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: talking about pastors, and I'm very proud of my pastor.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: He's been in the news a lot lately. I've listened
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: to him preach sermons now for about seven years. He
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: and I have become friends. He's been on my program before.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: He's the president of the Southern Baptist Convention, and he
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: was in the news a lot last week because he
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: was telling preachers, you got to get in the pulpit
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: and don't be afraid to talk about these issues. These
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: issues that are perceived as political, but it's not really political.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: We're talking about things that are biblical. There's no reason
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: to ever run from the Bible and what it says.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: And right now, with artificial intelligence coming on as it
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: is and what you're going to be talking about on
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: the 24th, it's so important that we get back into
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: the word, understand the word, know the word, so that
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: we can't be fooled by something that may rewrite that
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: very word that we're supposed to know.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: That's so true. And at the end of the webinar,
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, Matt has created several books and booklets on
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: what to do and how to use AI appropriately and
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: how to test the AI of whether or not it's
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: telling you the truth or hallucinating. And I think when
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: you're doing that and you're evaluating, asking it to interpret
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: difficult passages in the Bible or passages you don't understand,
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: how do you test it? And how do you go
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: back to the original sources of accepted Bibles? Like, King
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: James or HCSB or NASB or ESB or ISB.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: NIV.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, NIV and standard texts that we have referred to
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: for years and look up the verse that the AI
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: gave you and see if it's the same. And going
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: back and reading commentaries and original sources.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Sherry, let me jump in here real quick because you
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: bring up a thought to me. that you were talking
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: to the red letters. For those of you listening that
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: don't know, the red letters are the quotes of Jesus.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Those are his words. And a lot of his quotes,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: he did this intentionally. They hearken back to Old Testament,
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: and most of them really do. And the reason why
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: is because the people that he was speaking to, they
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: understood what the Old Testament was. That's what they had studied.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: That's what they were studying at the time. So when
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: he brings up something that's just a little bit of
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: a quote in the New Testament, he is actually taking
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: them back to that story in the Old Testament. So
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: as artificial intelligence rewrites the Bible, are they going to
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: pick up on things like that that take you back
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: to the Old Testament that you really have to understand
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: the story to understand what Jesus is telling you in
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: that quote? And I think that's what gets watered down.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: And going back to my pastor, I didn't mention his name.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: I guess I should. His name is Dr. Willie Rice.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: And as I mentioned, he's the president of the SBC.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: But if you Google him, he was all over the
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: news last week from Fox to everywhere else because of
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: the things that he said. But it's dangerous. And we're
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: coming up on another break here in a couple of minutes.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: So I want to focus in on your webinar coming
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: up October 24th. And what have we missed? Have we
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: pretty much hit the high points of this? Or is
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: there something that we're missing before we get out of here?
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: Well, we're going to certainly talk about what is it
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: that makes us human. I mean, we've got a Supreme
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: Court justice that can't define what is a woman. So
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: how do we separate AI from that? Can AI have
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: a soul? Can AI be saved? Can AI understand scripture
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: and wisdom of the scripture just because it can regurgitate facts?
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: We're going to be talking about that. Can AI ever
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: be considered a child of God? You know, does AI
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: understand personhood? And like when you said, if we just
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: assign it that it is sentient, which means it can
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: think and have emotions and make decisions on its own,
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: can it be a legal person and hold contracts and
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: own property? Can it run for office? Can it be
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: a pastor of a church? We've already assigned non-biological entities
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: such as corporations. They have legal personhood. Is that going
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: to be the same thing with AI or with robots?
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: So these are the types of questions that we're going
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: to be asking about. Does AI fulfill biblical prophecy? You know,
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: I said that a little bit about the Antichrist. So
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: Matt's created some ancillary tools that we're going to give
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: out to people who've registered for this webinar and have
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: a ticket. Now, the tickets are on October the 24th.
• 35:01
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• 35:07
  Speaker 4: are usually $ 300, but for your people, the tickets have
• 35:11
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• 35:14
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• 35:18
  Speaker 4: And if you aren't available on October 24th because you
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: have a previous commitment or you're out of town or
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: something like that, if you purchased a ticket, you won't
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: be able to be with us live in the studio
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: when we have our Q & A, but you'll be
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: able to have access to all the material and the
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: ancillary material when you come back because, you know, you'll
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: be able to watch it on the replay.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: I was going to ask if you're having a Q
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: & A, so that's good.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: The Q & A, actually the webinar itself is from
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: 10 a.m. Eastern to 1 p.m., and then there'll be
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: an hour of Q & A at the end of that.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Nice, so four hours.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: It may go longer than an hour depending on how
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: many questions there are.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Well, Dr. Timpenny, thank you for coming on
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: the program. I appreciate it. I want you to give
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: the website out again so people know where to go
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  Speaker 3: and do that and then say anything else that you
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  Speaker 3: want to say that, Maybe you feel like we missed
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  Speaker 3: because I'm sure there's so much to talk about with
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  Speaker 3: this subject. I'm sure we probably missed a thing or two,
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  Speaker 3: but hopefully for those of you listening, this has gotten
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  Speaker 3: your attention because it should.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I, we've had a, you know, I've been on
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  Speaker 4: a lot of shows talking about this, uh, primarily with
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  Speaker 4: pastors and, um, their whole audience is like, whoa, I
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  Speaker 4: didn't even know that this is what was happening with AI.
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  Speaker 4: I thought, you know, AI was just a spell checker,
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: you know? So knowing about it and understanding it and
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  Speaker 4: knowing what to watch out for and how to use
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  Speaker 4: the tool appropriately is really what our goal is here.
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  Speaker 4: And so if you go to booker.dr10penny.com, 10penny is spelled T-E-N-P-E-N-N-Y.com.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: So booker.dr10penny.com. You can get the discounted price on registration
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  Speaker 4: at $ 149. For a four-hour webinar, I think that for
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  Speaker 4: two of us at the same time, I think that's
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  Speaker 4: a pretty good price. And it's something that you'll want
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  Speaker 4: to listen to, I am 100% sure, multiple times. We've
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  Speaker 4: done three other webinars on AI and using AI appropriately,
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  Speaker 4: and people were just wowed. At the end of it,
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  Speaker 4: they were like, wow, there should be thousands of people
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  Speaker 4: on here. This is stuff that we didn't know about. And,
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  Speaker 4: you know, if you want to know any more about me,
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: you can go to The Tenpenny Files on americoutloud.news or
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: just my regular website, which is drtenpenny.com.
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  Speaker 3: You mentioned the audience of The Pastors Show and how
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: they thought that, you know, I don't really use it.
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  Speaker 3: I use it for spellcheck or whatever, but I don't
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  Speaker 3: use it much. The interesting part is those same people
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  Speaker 3: are completely oblivious that artificial intelligence is using them every
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  Speaker 3: second of every day. And that's the biggest part that
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  Speaker 3: people miss. They think that they're using it as a tool.
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  Speaker 3: Artificial intelligence is using you before you ever wake up
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  Speaker 3: every morning. And they are doing it all day long.
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  Speaker 3: And it never stops. And you can't stop it. Unless
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  Speaker 3: we all want to go back to flip phones. You
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: want to go back to flip phones?
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's really true. That was a question that came up.
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  Speaker 4: is that if the world governments in 193, 194 countries
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  Speaker 4: around the world would say, we're not doing this, we're
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  Speaker 4: done with AI, and they would stop it, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: Going to go away.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 4: The genie's out of the bottle.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 4: And you can't put it back in. And people use
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  Speaker 4: things like spellcheck and Grammarly and GPS, just like they
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  Speaker 4: don't even think about it. All those things are AI-driven.
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  Speaker 3: And you just gave permission to it to get all
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  Speaker 3: your data. And we're worried about data centers. And I
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: ask the question, what do you think a data center
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  Speaker 3: is for? It's in the name. It says data. And
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: the reason why is because you've given permission for all
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: these things, entities, to have all your data. And you're
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: worried about the flock cameras. Well, you know, and I
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: have said this quite a bit lately. I believe that
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: both of those things, data centers and flock safety cameras,
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  Speaker 3: are a physical manifestation of the artificial intelligence that people
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  Speaker 3: can't see and don't understand. They know that both of
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  Speaker 3: them are a part of it and they can see them.
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  Speaker 3: So they are lashing out because there's the fear of
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: artificial intelligence because most people don't really know what it
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: is and what it's doing. But Dr. Tim Penney, thank
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: you so much for coming on the program. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, thank you so much for having me. having me, Booker,
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: and look forward to the next conversations we have.
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