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Ep. 48 - Did Methuselah Die in the Flood? · Martyr's Row

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  This week on Martyrs Row, was Methuselah supposed
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  to be on the ark? Did he sleep through his alarm?
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  Are pickles wet cucumbers or are cucumbers pre
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  -pickles? Wasabi? Wasabi! Is there a world in
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  the multiverse where Eve doesn't eat the apple?
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  I don't know. Let's find out. This week on Martyrs
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  Row! Three, two, one! Saint George, a soldier
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  of Cappadocia and an officer in the armies of
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  Rome, served with honor until the persecution
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  under Diocletian laid bare the hearts of men.
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  When the edict went forth that Christians should
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  sacrifice to the gods, George openly confessed
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  himself a servant of Christ and rebuked the cruelty
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  of the decree. For this, He was stripped of his
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  rank and cast into prison, where he endured many
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  torments, yet remained unmoved in faith. Neither
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  threats nor promises could turn him, and at length
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  he was condemned to death and beheaded. Thus,
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  George, laying aside the sword of earthly warfare,
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  took up the crown of martyrdom, and showed that
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  the truest victory is won by faithfulness unto
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  death. Anno Domini, 303. Hey! I feel like we
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  said it a couple episodes ago that that's just
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  how we intro. That's just it. That's how we get
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  in. Yeah. It's like this 90s. I always want to
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  think of another way to do it, but then I freeze
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  and I just do that. I know. Usually I'm the one
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  that counts. Yeah, so because I count it's like
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  I'm like, are you ready ready? Yeah, I think
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  wait I don't know if I three two one and then
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  we're This other character comes out The snap
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  just like yeah Oh, I didn't think it wakes up
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  the sleeper agent That'd be cool if like because
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  our podcast comes out at 4 a .m. Oh, yeah if
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  as soon as we snap all of our listeners wake
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  up and hit play Oh, they're awake right now.
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  And they're just in a bath. How did I get here?
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  They're like, ah, it must be Thursday. That would
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  be wild if we could figure that out. Thursday?
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  Thursday? I'm not ready yet. Oh, it's only 4
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  AM. I have several hours. Speaking of several
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  hours, how much time do you have? Several hours.
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  Perfect. We're going to need about that. For
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  what? My question I have for you. OK. Wait, is
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  this a question segment? No, but it's still a
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  question mark. OK. I love it. You know, so last,
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  I think it was the last episode. OK. You asked
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  me a question. Did I? And you said, what are
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  your thoughts on aliens? Oh, yeah. And you know
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  what? I've been thinking about that. Uh -oh.
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  And the way our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
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  would do it. That's not a very seventh day Adventist
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  for some reason I've got a question for you back
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  You're sounding very seventh day Adventist today
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  What a weird thing to say to somebody. Brother
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  Stephen. Do they do that? I thought it was Catholic.
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  I think that's Catholic. That might be more orthodox.
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  I'm mixing my things. Catholic is more two -fingered.
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  I'm trying to remember because I know they They
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  do the opposite between Catholic and Orthodox.
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  They would. I don't remember which one is which,
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  but I know one goes top, left, right, and then
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  one goes top, right, left. My guess is that the
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  Catholics are doing it in protest to the Orthodox.
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  Very, very possibly. So the Orthodox way is probably
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  the correct original way. Yeah. Because I remember
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  hearing a story from an Orthodox family, and
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  they were like, yeah, it was crazy. We had this
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  one kid who came in once, and he was doing it,
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  but he's doing it reverse. And we kept trying
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  to correct him. And then we find out he was Catholic.
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  And we're like, oh, that makes sense. Oh, he's
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  not disrespectful. He's just dumb. He's just
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  Catholic. Same thing. That's what the Orthodox
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  say. He's like, oh, is he trying to mirror us
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  because he's looking at us? I don't know what's
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  going on. Must be a Catholic thing. But yeah,
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  so you asked me that question. I did. Yeah. Our
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  Catholic's dumb, that's the question, right?
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  The answer is no. We're all dumb sometimes. Simple,
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  yeah. I'm dumb all the time, but anyway. It's
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  beside the point. So it got me thinking. Okay.
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  And so follow me down this speculative path.
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  Let's do it. Speculation space? Oh, Twilight
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  Zone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, here we go. Welcome.
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  Here we are. Welcome to the... Yeah. I feel like
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  our podcast is getting more 4 a .m. as we go.
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  It kinda is, yeah. I'm here for it. I feel pretty
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  4 a .m. Yeah. That's gotta be our merch, 4 a
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  .m. 4 a .m. It's time for Marjero. Oh, dude,
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  if we ever start like a... Secret club person
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  like that. Okay for martyrs row. It's gonna feel
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  like our whole podcast is a secret club. Yeah
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  It's gonna be like the 4 a .m. Club the 4 a .m.
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  Club. That would be a cool shirt. It's actually
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  kind of cool Yeah, what was the saved by the
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  bell? We're gonna wake up in the morning I think
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  I never make it on time. I thought oh, yes. Yeah,
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  I thought I had a time on it cuz I was gonna
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  swap it out with 4 a .m I'm at the corner just
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  in time to see the bus drive by There's no time
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  yeah, that's the mumble rap version It's like
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  we're like we're like analog overdubbing Martyrs
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  Row. So you were thinking about aliens? I was
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  thinking about that. Okay. Do you have several
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  hours? I think I do now. Welcome to Martyrs Row.
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  Do you have several hours? How hot is your bath?
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  It'll be cold when we're done. Just keep adding
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  a little to it. Yeah, that helps. And so I was
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  thinking about that in the speculative side of
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  the what ifs. Yes. I'm curious what your thoughts
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  are on this. Okay. So let's say, for example,
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  there are other things out there, other beings
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  out there. Maybe even other humans, who knows?
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  Are they fallen or have they not fallen? And
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  it's like, can we say one or the other? Well,
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  I think my first question would be, from which
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  did they fall? Yeah. From where from whom and
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  I think so I asked that a little bit. I sit in
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  a kind of a weird way Yes, you did Wasn't the
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  way I intended to ask okay came out, okay? But
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  so I've I've had this question with people before
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  okay, and I'm gonna take that position Okay,
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  and I'm just gonna I'm gonna propose it to you.
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  Okay? Where they would say it's like well if
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  there are aliens or things not of Earth. Right,
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  which is what an alien is. Correct. Things not
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  born on Earth. That's specified for people. And
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  it's like, well, they would still be fallen because
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  man fell. Got it. And when man fell, that corrupted
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  everything. Okay. Oh, I see. So in Genesis 3,
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  the assumption is that when man falls and gets
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  cast out of Eden, everything created fell. Yeah,
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  including a third of heaven and the devil himself.
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  Yes. Got it. Okay. So assuming that that is that
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  moment. Yeah. Which is a big assumption. Yeah.
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  As we've talked about in the past. Yes. So you're
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  saying that if that is the moment, are there
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  other fallen things elsewhere? Or has that happened
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  on other earths? I guess it would be a mix of
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  both. So I think that where my thought goes with
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  this is a couple of things, and we've talked
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  about this a little bit, is simply put this idea
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  that I think there are a lot of things that Christians
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  unnecessarily hold onto that could disrupt the
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  foundation of their faith if there was solid
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  evidence that certain things were true. So what
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  I mean by that is in an age of disclosure where
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  we are right now, where there's a lot of information
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  coming out about things that we have access to,
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  things that people have legitimately seen, there's
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  just all of this exposure of information and
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  possibilities of other things going on that seem
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  contradictory to our world view. or what we're
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  familiar with, right? And the question really
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  is, as Christians, what piece of information,
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  this is where I would go with this, is as Christians,
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  what piece of information would cause the foundation
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  of your faith to fall apart? And I think that
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  the answer should be no peace. That there should
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  be no piece of exterior information outside of
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  the Bible that would allow your faith to actually
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  fall apart. because the foundation of your faith,
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  Hebrews, is Jesus. Yes. So that is the cornerstone.
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  He is the cornerstone. So and then there's all
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  these places in the scripture where there's this
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  deceptive element of people who come saying that
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  they are the Messiah, who are false messiahs
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  and are not Jesus himself, but have appeared
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  to people as the Bible says, where Satan comes
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  and masquerades as an angel of light. And so
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  it's that idea of there could be a masquerader
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  coming and saying that he is Jesus and telling
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  you a different gospel. And Paul warns us against
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  this. He says, even if I come back to you, or
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  if angels come to you and preach a different
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  gospel than you first heard, Then do not believe
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  it for it's a deception. Yeah, so yeah, he kind
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  of covers all things Mm -hmm, but he covers all
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  things and so that brings into question like
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  if angels come to you, what are angels? Well
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  angels are non -human being beings That are created
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  by God So angels are necessarily aliens now.
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  They were not created. They're not from earth.
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  Correct. Yeah, so Angels are in the category
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  of alien. Yes. Does that mean all aliens are
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  angels? No. Does that mean all angels are aliens?
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  Yes. So that's weird. Yes. Because categorically,
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  based on the definition of alien, every angel
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  is an alien. Correct. Every cherubim is an alien.
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  Every seraphim is an alien. They're all aliens.
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  Yeah. So then you go like, all right, so every
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  creature in the Bible is an alien? Yeah. Guess
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  what's even crazier? That makes everybody but
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  Jesus also an alien. Yeah. That's true. So anything
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  that was not at one point born of the earth is
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  by definition an alien. Yeah. So God himself
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  is an alien. So Yahweh is an alien. Yeah. to
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  us. Correct. But that doesn't mean that... So
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  then you start to go into the conversation of
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  all of the categories of beings that exist, and
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  you go, well, there could be a lot of different
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  beings that exist. And if there's an exposure
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  of their actual biological beings that exist
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  that we have evidence of that are not from this
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  earth, well, the Bible clearly tells us that
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  that's true. Yeah. But does that mean that all
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  aliens or intelligent life that's not of this
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  earth that we find are all of those things angels?
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  And are they good or bad? Yeah. Are they fallen
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  or are they not? And I like the angel angle of
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  it too. Because it is one of the things, it's
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  the clearest study that we have on this topic.
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  Right. Because as of... today recording this
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  right now, we don't know if there are any traditional
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  quote unquote gray aliens out there, for a fact.
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  It's not like, oh yeah, I saw one yesterday.
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  He was just outside, his name's Bob, he's nice.
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  He likes to cut the grass. You know what I mean?
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  That doesn't happen. That hasn't happened yet.
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  It will ever happen. But what we do have in the
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  part where it's like, regardless of if that's
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  true, We do have the study of the supernatural
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  beings, which are, as you said, aliens. And we
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  do know that some of them are unfallen, and some
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  of them are fallen. Yeah. Well, the two men that
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  appear to Lot in Sodom, they come to him walking,
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  and they are good angelic messengers from God.
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  and they walk in and they eat a meal with him.
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  Yeah. Now, they're specified as these beautiful
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  men, right? And there's arguments that they are
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  of, like, if you're going on the language of
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  the paranormal in modern terms, people would
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  argue that they were probably Nordic -looking.
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  Sure. which is a whole interesting topic. It
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  doesn't really tell us, hey, there's two Nordics
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  that walk up and they talk a lot. Like, that's
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  not what it says. And also a beauty subjective,
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  so. 100%. Yeah. However, we do have a lot of
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  places like Genesis 6 where the tradition of
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  the men in Sodom would make sense to want to
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  interact with sons of God or beings that are
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  clearly different. Yes. Or superior in appearance.
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  There's something physical about them that you
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  can look at them and be like, they're not the
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  same. Yes. Yeah. And we know that when people
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  interacted with things that are not the same,
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  they received something. Yes. That's a whole
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  other podcast. That's a future main episode.
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  Yeah, that's a future main episode. Yeah. But
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  that all being said, so then if you get into
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  that and you go like, all right, well, so then
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  are there actual biological beings that exist
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  that are not born of the earth? Yeah, it's everywhere
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  in the Bible. Correct. And the thing is, is you
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  can feel however you want to feel about that.
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  Yeah. But it's in the Bible. I mean, the problem
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  is us having a a visceral reaction of a tangible
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  thing going like, well hang on, so you're saying
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  that there's like actual like potential flesh
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  that I can touch? Here's the fact of the matter
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  is, the Bible doesn't say that angels are spirit
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  beings floating. Correct. It doesn't actually
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  say that. And anytime it actually talks about
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  them, it talks about them physically. Correct.
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  Yeah. And I actually thought the other day, Where
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  does that come from? And then my seven -year
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  -old son, as we're talking, goes, hey, you know,
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  angels are, they don't have bodies, they're just
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  like good spirits. And I thought, that's where
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  it comes from. It comes from Sunday school lesson,
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  trying to teach the difference. But honestly,
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  that's detrimental. because it puts us in a place
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  right now where Christians can't understand the
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  fact that in the Bible, angelic beings are not
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  floating spirits. And if they, because that becomes
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  problematic, because if we go, well, they appear
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  as human, does that mean that they're good spirits
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  that possess bodies? Because that's problematic.
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  because the body, the host would have to invite
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  the good spirit in pre the Holy Spirit, which
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  creates all kinds of problems. And I've heard
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  Christians try to argue that. Yeah. Where it's
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  like, well, yeah, that's how it would have to
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  work. And it's like, well, it would have to work
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  that way if you don't believe what the Bible
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  teaches. Right, because nowhere in the Bible,
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  like the main thing is that the spirit has to
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  be invited in. there has to be an invitation,
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  both good and evil. And, okay, without making
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  this a main segment, let me get to, that was
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  all set up for, it should not, so, I don't see
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  in Genesis where it is the creation of all things
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  that have ever existed. I think it's talking
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  about Earth. I think that the Bible is for humanity
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  on Earth to understand why we're here and what
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  we're doing and who did it. And when you look
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  at it in that sense, we are not the main character.
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  We get to be part of God's creation on this Earth
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  that was created specifically for Him, by Him,
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  and through Him. And we get to steward the creation
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  that he has made. It wasn't even made for us.
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  We were made for it. We were made for him to
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  steward it. So that being said, that means that
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  biblically, if God, if Yahweh created another
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  planet and created other beings to exist and
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  inhabit that planet, that has no bearing on our
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  theology. Because our Bible is the word of God
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  to us for us. And what we are doing here and
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  what's going on. If we needed to know about the
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  other thing, we would know about it. if we find
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  out that there's another thing going on, that
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  doesn't nullify the fact that the Bible was written
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  to explain what's happening here. Yes. On Earth.
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  Yeah. So, to me, I don't think it's a problem.
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  I agree with you. Even if they have another Bible
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  from Yahweh. Yeah, because the argument I've
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  heard, and I'll say this to kind of like, it
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  might open up more, but I'm trying to say it
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  as a close. Yeah. But it's like, yes, that idea
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  I've heard from a lot of Christians, where it's
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  like, oh, well, if there were aliens on another
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  planet, then Jesus would have to go and die for
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  them too. It's like, where are you getting that
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  from? Because all we know is that Jesus died
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  for us, but the Bible itself tells us that he
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  didn't die for the aliens we do know about, which
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  were the angels. Correct. That's what Second
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  Peter tells us. It's like, he didn't spare them.
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  He didn't die for them. And so it's like, I really
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  like the way you said it too, where it's like,
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  yeah, whatever happens over there, if there isn't
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  over there, it actually doesn't have any bearing,
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  because the Bible is for us humanity on earth.
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  Yes. To tell us like, hey, this is why you're
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  here. This is what your purpose is. You screwed
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  it up. Yeah. And this is what I did about it.
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  Correct. And now this is what I want you to do
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  about it from now on. And Yahweh very much could
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  have created another space for himself. through
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  and by himself and put other beings on that space
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  and They didn't fall. Yeah, or they did and he
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  said, you know what? Yeah, now you're falling
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  You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean not that he
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  was that flippant about it with with with when
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  the angels felt but it's like when that happened
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  He was just like, all right, cool. You're not
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  gonna be redeemed now I will say that the Bible
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  the Bible does give us a category of eternal.
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  Yes So in that way, the Bible does show us that
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  beings that are not humanity, that we're told
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  about in the biblical text, are eternal beings.
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  And that our eternity begins with our decision.
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  So our decision, you see what I'm saying? And
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  that actually, this could be another main topic
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  at some point too, but it's like that's where
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  that confusing verse in Genesis where it's like,
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  well, why was God so hard about, like, don't
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  let them touch the tree of life? Yeah. When it's
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  like, well, because if we can't die, we can't
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  be redeemed. Sure. But that's a whole other thing
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  to really go into. It is. And what we're not
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  talking about is a potential multiverse concept.
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  Right. We're not talking about that of like,
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  is there a whole other earth that exists in another
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  dimension that is exactly the same, but Adam
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  and Eve never eat from the tree. It's like, that's
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  not what we're talking about. That's a whole
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  different discussion, but to be completely honest,
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  it also still doesn't concern us. And the reason
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  why it doesn't concern us is because it's above
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  our pay grade. Like at the end of the day, and
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  that actually is a massive problem. That's why
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  like, Like, and then let's end it here because
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  this could be a main topic. Yeah. But that's
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  actually the biggest problem is the Bible is
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  not like, we're not the main character of the
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  Bible. The earth wasn't created for us. It was
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  everything was created for him, by him and through
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  him. Correct. So it's all for Jesus. Yes. And
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  we are either a slave to sin or a slave to God.
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  Yes. Either way, we are a slave to a master.
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  Yes. That's not a problem. Mm -hmm. That's actually
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  just categorically what we are Yeah, so but when
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  we are a slave to God and not a slave to sin
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  then there is freedom in The purpose in which
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  we are created and there's perfect harmony in
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  how we can exist Yeah, and it is the perfect
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  existence to be in full relationship with our
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  Creator doing what he created us to do perfectly
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  Yeah, and in the other way there's condemnation
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  there and it's moving us away from what we were
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  originally created for. Yeah. Either way, none
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  of it's for us. That's true. So like, if we are
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  living exactly how we were created to live, we're
• 24:39
  not seeking things for ourselves. Right. So I
• 24:42
  think that in the core logical conversation about
• 24:47
  if things are out there, the truth is, is that
• 24:52
  does disrupt my world as a main character and
• 24:58
  this is all about me. It definitely disrupts
• 25:01
  that. And Christians just need to get over that.
• 25:04
  Cause it's not about us. Cause none of it's about
• 25:06
  us. We just get to be part of it. I wish I could
• 25:11
  remember the artist, but there's a song, and
• 25:15
  I'm not even gonna remember the lyrics perfectly,
• 25:17
  but there's the essence of what he's saying is
• 25:20
  like, basically I used to think I was the main
• 25:22
  character, but then I've realized that I'm just
• 25:24
  a cog in a machine. And the song about that is
• 25:28
  saying like, yeah, I used to think that I was
• 25:30
  this big deal, then I realized I'm actually not
• 25:32
  that big of a deal, and my life is better for
• 25:34
  it. And I think that's where the life of a Christian
• 25:37
  can be great, when we realize that it is all
• 25:41
  for Him. And if we live for Him, our lives are
• 25:44
  actually better. That is basically Pauline theology.
• 25:49
  It's being content in all things. Suffering as
• 25:52
  rejoicing. Because it means that we are walking,
• 25:58
  like the earth is, and the spirits that work
• 26:02
  on the earth are crushing us, but we're not destroyed.
• 26:09
  It's pushing against us, but it's not taking
• 26:11
  away our peace. Because ultimately our true purpose
• 26:16
  is not in how our body feels, which is being
• 26:21
  actively crushed by gravity. And so it's like.
• 26:25
  To name a one. Yeah. So yeah, all that to say,
• 26:31
  I think that would be my question in response
• 26:34
  is if there's anything that you can explore and
• 26:38
  look at that, hey, if this. actually was in front
• 26:43
  of my face and I could not deny it, would it
• 26:46
  destroy the foundation of my faith in Jesus?
• 26:49
  Yeah. I think you need to ask yourself that question
• 26:51
  and then find the answer. I think it's good.
• 26:56
  But yeah. So for multiple future episodes. We
• 27:01
  just opened up a lot of wormholes. Yeah, so let's
• 27:03
  get into the main segment that's nothing like
• 27:06
  what we just talked about. Speaking of time travel.
• 27:08
  Three, two, one. Flies like rings in a tune 900
• 27:23
  summers watching me Every breath feels borrowed
• 27:27
  now Like the sky forgot how We laugh like nothing's
• 27:33
  coming Like the doors won't ever shut There's
• 27:37
  water in the distance And a tremor in our blind
• 27:43
  He lives so long Everywhere is another year Every
• 28:00
  nail says don't stay here Don't stay here We
• 28:10
  laugh like nothing's coming Like the doors won't
• 28:14
  ever shut There's water in the distance And a
• 28:19
  tremor in our blood We laugh like nothing's coming
• 28:25
  Like the doors will never shut There's water
• 28:29
  in the distance And a tremor in our blood Ba
• 28:35
  ba ba da ba Ba ba ba da ba ba Everything is fine
• 28:43
  There's nothing to see here Ba ba Hey. Hey. We're
• 29:09
  here. Here we are. Welcome to the, I don't know
• 29:14
  why I'm welcome. I think sometimes, too, it's
• 29:15
  always like, who's going to talk first? I know.
• 29:17
  It is kind of funny, because I feel like no matter
• 29:20
  when we snap in, I still want to say welcome.
• 29:23
  But we've already been here. Maybe that's just
• 29:25
  part of the snap. The snap makes me want to just
• 29:28
  be like greeting. Yeah, because I think it is
• 29:30
  funny if we snap and then just don't address
• 29:32
  the fact that we just reset. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:36
  Like reset. Yeah. So then it's like, pickles
• 29:40
  are terrible. They're like, what? Yeah. Maybe
• 29:44
  that's how we should do it. We should start doing
• 29:47
  that, actually. Do you like pickles? I love pickles.
• 29:50
  I don't. Dill pickles, specifically. OK. Yeah,
• 29:53
  sweet pickles, I could hit or miss. It's like,
• 29:55
  yeah. Oh, dill is the type of pickle? Yeah. It's
• 29:59
  not like a brand? Mm -mm. Or a category of pickle?
• 30:01
  It's like the flavor of pickle. Okay, I didn't
• 30:04
  know that. I thought it was like the cut. Oh,
• 30:07
  no, no, no. That's like crinkle? Like fries?
• 30:12
  I like steak cut pickles. Give me some curly
• 30:15
  pickles. Curly pickles? That'd be kind of cool.
• 30:17
  Sweet potato pickles. That'd be cool. Probably
• 30:20
  actually like sweet potato fried pickles. There's
• 30:22
  probably a market for that. There's definitely
• 30:24
  a market for that. Yeah, I think they come in
• 30:26
  either whole or quarters. I think right now That's
• 30:30
  the whole thing there are baby though baby pickles
• 30:33
  baby pickles. There's like oh Yeah, what do babies
• 30:37
  is that just mean that they pull them off the
• 30:39
  vine too early. I think so That's terrible and
• 30:41
  they pickle them they take them away from their
• 30:43
  mothers like here have some vinegar from from
• 30:45
  mommy pickle But they don't come off the vine
• 30:50
  as pickles. Little cucumbers. That's true. That
• 30:55
  reminds me of a question I have for you. So you
• 31:01
  take the baby pickle off the vine and you just
• 31:05
  douse it in vinegar. Yeah. Do you like baths?
• 31:09
  I do. Specifically in vinegar or anything water
• 31:17
  I don't I don't you know what? It's we've had
• 31:21
  a brutal cold snap. Yeah, if that's something
• 31:25
  that people say And a warm bath it would be is
• 31:32
  nice during those times Yeah, I've been thinking
• 31:34
  about what actually all day, but being like a
• 31:36
  Florida boy. Yeah warm baths don't really make
• 31:39
  a lot of sense unless it's like unnecessarily
• 31:43
  cold outside. Yeah, then you're like, okay, now
• 31:45
  it makes sense. Now, now there's, yeah. Also,
• 31:48
  I just don't really have time for baths. Yeah,
• 31:51
  they take time. Yeah. They do take time. You
• 31:54
  want to be clean before you take a bath. Well,
• 31:56
  that's ridiculous. I mean, it makes perfect sense,
• 32:01
  but it's ridiculous. It's both things at the
• 32:04
  same time. Yeah, that's fair. So like you, I
• 32:09
  guess that's the whole thing of like you like
• 32:12
  an outside shower before you get in a pool. Like
• 32:17
  you have to clean off, it's like having sorbet
• 32:21
  in between. In between, what is it called? I
• 32:27
  don't even know. In between like, like when you
• 32:32
  have like ultra fancy meal in the medieval movies.
• 32:35
  Like a palate cleanser? Yeah, yeah. That's like,
• 32:39
  cause they do the ginger. What's it called? What
• 32:40
  are the like different? at layers of the dinner
• 32:43
  called? Course. Courses? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:47
  I went to college. I guess the more modern one
• 32:49
  is like with sushi. OK. Because they'll give
• 32:51
  you a little bit of wasabi and they also give
• 32:54
  you the ginger. That's right. And the ginger
• 32:56
  is supposed to be the palate cleanser. Yeah.
• 32:57
  And the wasabi is just supposed to destroy your
• 33:00
  taste buds. Make you question your life. Yeah.
• 33:04
  Why do they do both? I don't know. Well, I will
• 33:07
  say, though, if you do soy sauce, I do like to
• 33:09
  put a little wasabi in the soy sauce. Okay. And
• 33:12
  you kind of mix it in. But that's just salt.
• 33:14
  Yeah. That's why you put the wasabi in. It kind
• 33:16
  of adds a little bit of like a grrrr to it. To
• 33:20
  the wasabi? To the soy. Oh. But the soy is liquid
• 33:26
  salt, so it actually enhances the wasabi. Yeah.
• 33:31
  Huh. And then you do a little with the sushi.
• 33:35
  Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. But that's not really
• 33:37
  a palate cleanser. No, that's not. It's the ginger.
• 33:39
  That's the added, but the ginger is the palate
• 33:41
  cleanser. Gotcha. Yeah. And you know what? Speaking
• 33:43
  of palate cleansers. Okay. And baths. Okay. You
• 33:49
  know, it got me thinking because, uh, you know,
• 33:53
  so I was, I was, I've been thinking about taking
• 33:54
  a bath all day. Okay. I won't lie. Cause it's
• 33:56
  been cold. It's been really cold. It is 4 a .m.,
• 34:00
  so. And it's 4 a .m. This is actually great bath
• 34:03
  time. I mean, I guess. I'd fall asleep so fast
• 34:06
  in that bath. Actually, our podcast would be
• 34:08
  fantastic to you to listen to. In the bath. It
• 34:10
  would be fantastic to listen to when you were
• 34:13
  in the bath. That's actually true. At four a
• 34:15
  .m. Yeah. Premiering in a bathtub near you. If
• 34:22
  you don't listen to this podcast in a bath, what
• 34:24
  are you doing? What are you at work? With a little
• 34:28
  wasabi soy sauce. Ginger palate cleanser. And
• 34:32
  some sorbet and maybe some little pickles. I
• 34:38
  don't mind a bath. But you know, it's like, that's,
• 34:42
  so here's the interesting thing. So I really
• 34:44
  like water a lot. Okay. Which I think is part
• 34:46
  of why I moved to Florida. Okay. Even though
• 34:49
  I'm in central Florida. Yeah. We have a lot of
• 34:52
  lakes. Yeah. And puddles. That is true. And we're
• 34:54
  close to the beach. Yeah, 45 minutes. Relatively.
• 34:58
  Yeah, an hour. It's an hour with traffic. Yeah,
• 35:01
  yeah. I mean, even while I grew up in Ohio, it's
• 35:04
  like we had the Great Lakes, so we were close
• 35:07
  enough to the beach, but it's not the same. Yeah,
• 35:09
  there's pseudo lakes, or pseudo oceans. Yes,
• 35:13
  yeah. Aren't they salt, though, still? No, they're
• 35:16
  fresh. That's, yeah, okay. Yeah, they're big,
• 35:19
  though. It's like a baby pickle. They're great.
• 35:21
  Yeah, it's like a baby pickle. Sweet pickle.
• 35:26
  Okay. Yeah, you guys got the dill pickles down
• 35:28
  here. That's true. Yeah. Yeah, so it's interesting.
• 35:31
  So it's like, I feel like water can take on so
• 35:33
  many different forms. Yeah. Where it's like,
• 35:36
  here I am laying in a bath in the comfort of
• 35:38
  my own home, and it's like, it's relaxing. Yes.
• 35:41
  But then if you're like out in the ocean, completely
• 35:44
  out of control, it's like, it'll kill you. Yeah.
• 35:47
  You know what I mean? Especially if you're in
• 35:49
  a bath in the middle of the ocean. Yeah, actually
• 35:51
  that would be really interesting. I should try
• 35:54
  that. It's like Paddington or something. It feels
• 35:57
  like something that would be in a Paddington.
• 35:58
  I can see that actually, yeah. Paddington too.
• 36:01
  Just a bear in a bathtub in the middle of the
• 36:03
  ocean. That sounds so nice. Sailing to America.
• 36:06
  Something about that sounds amazing. The water
• 36:08
  would not stay warm for very long. Yeah, that's
• 36:11
  true. Good point. It'd be a cold bath. Yeah.
• 36:15
  It'd be a cold death. That's, that would not
• 36:19
  be good. Paddington would make it though. He'd
• 36:21
  figure it out. Yeah. With the friendship. With
• 36:25
  the friendship in his heart. To some like seagull
• 36:29
  or something. The bath never got cold because
• 36:32
  of friendship. What? But like, you know, water
• 36:38
  has that weird thing of like, it can be enjoyable,
• 36:43
  but it can also kill you. True. In different
• 36:45
  circumstances. Yeah, like a good hug. And so,
• 36:49
  yes. Is it a hunger strangulation? It's a thin
• 36:55
  line. It's really close. So it got me thinking.
• 37:01
  Okay. As you know, we've taken our time to get
• 37:03
  here. Throughout the day, as you've been desiring
• 37:05
  a bath. I really have. Yeah. It's like, it got
• 37:10
  me thinking of, you know, the great flood. Oh,
• 37:14
  the great flood. The great flood. Oh, the great
• 37:16
  flood. You know, the flood in the Bible, Noah's
• 37:19
  flood. OK. Even though Noah, it wasn't his flood,
• 37:24
  but he was just. He's associated with it. Yeah,
• 37:27
  he's associated with it. Yeah. He's kind of a
• 37:29
  big. He's kind of a main character in the flood.
• 37:31
  That's true. He's a big boy. He's the character.
• 37:35
  Also ancient. True. But particularly, it got
• 37:40
  me thinking of his grandfather, Methuselah. OK.
• 37:43
  And. I feel like the question that I have that
• 37:48
  I feel like nobody really talks about. Okay.
• 37:51
  And I'm hoping that we can talk about it. Okay.
• 37:54
  Unless you hear the question and you're like,
• 37:55
  mm -hmm. Lame. Get me in a bath. This episode's
• 38:03
  done, bath time. But no, so did Methuselah die
• 38:10
  in the Great Flood? Oh. Okay. So every time you
• 38:17
  say Methuselah and I think about that, I always
• 38:20
  think of Medusa. I don't know, I can't help it.
• 38:24
  The snake grandfather. Who was also a lady? He
• 38:27
  was a lovely man with snakes for hair and he
• 38:29
  was a woman. Don't look at him. Grandma. I mean,
• 38:34
  don't look at him. Grandpapa? Grandpapa. Are
• 38:38
  you a scary woman? My, what snakes you have in
• 38:42
  your hair. Said every Gen Z kid ever. Grandpapa,
• 38:51
  are you a woman? What? What? What? See, that's
• 39:01
  why this is perfect 4 a .m. in the bathtub. Maybe
• 39:05
  splish splashin' around. Unlike Methuselah. So
• 39:11
  Methuselah, so okay, so Methuselah's an interesting
• 39:14
  character. We were talking about this before,
• 39:16
  but there's what? Is he interesting? He is because
• 39:21
  I feel like, I feel like in ancient understanding
• 39:26
  and recognition of Methuselah himself, there's
• 39:29
  like a lot around Methuselah. Yeah, but the problem
• 39:32
  is is like scripturally barely mentioned like
• 39:36
  twice. I think yeah Yeah, so like in the actual
• 39:38
  bible actually maybe once the canonized bible.
• 39:41
  Um Yeah, it's like he's just in like one spot.
• 39:46
  Yeah, but there's a lot of other texts and understanding
• 39:50
  about methuselah. That's like Creates this whole
• 39:54
  Honestly this whole like sub story, which is
• 39:58
  kind of interesting one of the first things is
• 40:01
  like we get the first genealogy or generations
• 40:05
  list that we get in the Bible of humanity is
• 40:11
  in Genesis chapter 5. Yeah. And Genesis chapter
• 40:14
  5 is honestly I mean like Genesis chapters 1
• 40:21
  through 12 is like the beginning of everything.
• 40:28
  It kind of tells you like hey, this is How everything
• 40:32
  was made in where we're at? Yeah, but like even
• 40:35
  even even Beyond that like when we talk about
• 40:39
  The confrontation that Job receives from Yahweh.
• 40:44
  Yeah When he talks about like placing the stars
• 40:48
  in the sky Arguably that's even before Genesis
• 40:51
  1 so like technically when we're looking at Genesis,
• 40:55
  it's like Genesis one through 12, it's not necessarily
• 40:59
  the creation of everything when I say it like
• 41:01
  that. It's the creation of everything that we
• 41:03
  know. So in that way, it's like, and that's a
• 41:08
  whole different podcast. To touch on that briefly,
• 41:11
  it's like there are things within the creation
• 41:14
  account that are never discussed. Where it's
• 41:19
  just like, okay, when were angels created? That
• 41:22
  was never talked about. It's like when was water
• 41:25
  created? That was never talked about. It's like
• 41:28
  we just know that it was there. That's a whole
• 41:31
  other thing. But I think it's important in the
• 41:35
  conversation just to briefly mention the whole
• 41:40
  argument of ex nihilo from the biblical text
• 41:44
  is pointless. And I don't really know why. It's
• 41:49
  interesting. You know what I mean? It actually
• 41:51
  is. That ruffles some feathers. Now they get
• 41:55
  their Bibles open. But that goes back to the
• 41:59
  conversation I feel like I'm always having and
• 42:02
  is really the core of what we talk about, which
• 42:05
  is basically there's a difference between what
• 42:08
  the Bible actually says and what the text gives
• 42:11
  us and what has been read into it through history.
• 42:21
  I just got this book. Was it On the Incarnation?
• 42:27
  Ignatius, I think. It's a thin read, but it's
• 42:31
  like early church father, like from the source
• 42:34
  type of thing. And there's a forward by C .S.
• 42:36
  Lewis. And C .S. Lewis, and he basically is saying
• 42:39
  like, it is better for you and actually more
• 42:43
  palatable for you to go to the source and read
• 42:46
  the source as you're growing and learning. than
• 42:50
  it is to fear reading the original, and instead
• 42:55
  read about it. Because when you read about it,
• 42:58
  what you're getting is a bunch of ideas. People's
• 43:02
  interpretation of it. Yeah. Which then you're
• 43:04
  having to weed through, but if you've never read
• 43:07
  the original text, you're not actually weeding
• 43:09
  through anything. You're taking it all as fact.
• 43:11
  And so that's one of the difficult things, I
• 43:14
  think, with particularly the beginning of the
• 43:16
  Bible, Genesis 1 through 12. is a lot of it,
• 43:20
  we just kind of go like, yeah, Genesis 1 is like
• 43:23
  the creation of everything that ever existed.
• 43:26
  It's like, well, which Genesis 1 are you reading?
• 43:29
  There's a lot of things that it doesn't talk
• 43:31
  about. Yeah, did somebody tell you that or did
• 43:33
  you actually read it and allow what is literally
• 43:39
  said there to inform what you're saying? Yeah.
• 43:43
  You know what I mean? Because the other thing
• 43:45
  too is like, it's like if I tell you something,
• 43:48
  but you have a goal in mind from what you want
• 43:50
  me to say, then you're only gonna hear the parts
• 43:53
  of what I'm saying that are important to your
• 43:55
  goal. So the same is true of, and every person
• 44:01
  that's listening to this that is a Christian
• 44:03
  has been like, I feel like I just read this verse
• 44:06
  for the first time. It's like usually that's
• 44:08
  what's happening. That's how I feel every time
• 44:10
  I read Genesis. It's like, okay, now I'm finally
• 44:14
  not reading this into the text. So now I feel
• 44:17
  like it says something different. You know what
• 44:19
  I mean? It doesn't change. It's just we finally
• 44:23
  peel back layers of all these things that other
• 44:25
  people told us about the original text. So I
• 44:29
  feel like that's the core of our podcast is like,
• 44:32
  what does the text actually say? So there's this
• 44:36
  whole side in rabbinic tradition. about Methuselah
• 44:41
  and about what happens here in Genesis chapter
• 44:44
  five. But specifically what happens in Genesis
• 44:48
  chapter seven. So I think we'll start in chapter
• 44:52
  five. And then I'll explain what's happening
• 44:57
  in chapter seven. Because it's one of those things
• 45:00
  where if you go off rabbinic tradition, then
• 45:04
  there's this whole understanding that's not actually
• 45:07
  in the text. which is this conflation of an idea,
• 45:13
  which is very interesting. Okay, so Methuselah.
• 45:16
  Well, I will say quickly too, it's interesting
• 45:18
  on that point, where it's like even a lot of
• 45:21
  these characters that we read about, I mean,
• 45:24
  we've talked about Enoch a lot. It's one of those
• 45:27
  where it's like, okay, he's mentioned in the
• 45:29
  text twice by name, like in the whole of scripture.
• 45:36
  when you actually know like okay who is this
• 45:38
  guy and what did he say yeah or what do people
• 45:40
  say he said yeah then you're like oh he's actually
• 45:44
  everywhere right and it's like he was only named
• 45:47
  twice yeah but his his writings at least what
• 45:51
  we have credit to him is actually throughout
• 45:53
  the whole of scripture yeah yeah or in some ways
• 45:58
  in some ways or a piece it was informed by like
• 46:01
  Yeah, you could say that. Or it's in very critical
• 46:04
  moments that seem to be important. So when he's
• 46:07
  mentioned, it's at critical junctures. But not
• 46:11
  only that, Enoch is the father of Methuselah.
• 46:16
  Yes. Well, and that's the other thing, too. Methuselah,
• 46:19
  I might have this number wrong. Maybe you know
• 46:22
  better. I think he's only mentioned once. By
• 46:26
  name. I think you're right. I think it's just
• 46:33
  in Genesis five. I don't know that hand But it
• 46:37
  might be twice in Genesis five. Yeah, that's
• 46:39
  fair. I don't yeah, but it's interesting cuz
• 46:41
  it's like I think sometimes we can get stuck
• 46:44
  to you like well What is it blankly say? Mm -hmm,
• 46:48
  and we miss like well, what is it alluding to
• 46:50
  or what is it saying without saying? Yeah, where
• 46:54
  it's like it's referring to these things, but
• 46:55
  doesn't call it out by name Right, what is it
• 46:58
  implying without us reading between the lines?
• 47:00
  Yes, exactly, which is complicated to say because
• 47:03
  the implication is reading between the lines
• 47:05
  But it's like are we reading it in in between
• 47:08
  the lines or is yeah? Are we allowing it to tell
• 47:11
  us what's actually happening? Yeah, well, it's
• 47:13
  like without going into it's like we had we were
• 47:15
  just talking about this recently where it's like
• 47:17
  Oh, there's a verse that says And this man, you
• 47:20
  know, blah, blah, blah, which is like a parenthetical
• 47:22
  part of the text. Yes. But it's like when you
• 47:24
  read it without paying attention, it looks like
• 47:26
  it's talking about one guy. Yes. And it's like,
• 47:29
  oh, in reality, it's actually talking about someone
• 47:30
  else completely. It's just stepping back and
• 47:32
  giving you an explanation of a name. Yeah. Yeah,
• 47:35
  yeah. And I think scripture can do that a lot
• 47:37
  of times, which can make it confusing when you're
• 47:40
  not paying attention. Well, it is self edited.
• 47:45
  Yeah. So it's literally giving you only the pieces
• 47:48
  you need to know. So in that, being able to see
• 47:54
  what it says is pretty critical. So in Genesis
• 47:58
  chapter five, what we get is kind of the first
• 48:01
  genealogy of man, and it starts out with, this
• 48:03
  is the book of the generations of Adam. So, real
• 48:13
  quick, right off the bat right there, this is
• 48:16
  the book of the generations of Adam. Period.
• 48:20
  When God created man, man is not Adam. When God
• 48:25
  created man, even though the word is similar
• 48:29
  in Hebrew, it's not now saying when God created
• 48:34
  It's not saying, this is the book of the generations
• 48:37
  of Adam. When God created Adam. When he created
• 48:39
  the proper noun Adam. Correct, it's saying when
• 48:41
  God created man, he made him in the likeness
• 48:45
  of God. Male and female, he created them. This
• 48:49
  is talking about general creation of humanity.
• 48:52
  And he blessed them, and he named them man, which
• 48:56
  in Hebrew would be ha -adam or adam, and there's
• 49:00
  other. suffixes there, but when they were created.
• 49:04
  And then it says, when Adam, proper noun, actual
• 49:09
  guy. So within two verses, in the beginning of
• 49:12
  verse three, it's jumping between all of humanity
• 49:15
  being created, and a specific person named Adam.
• 49:19
  And the confusion is when you jump back to the
• 49:22
  Hebrew, man, when it says man in the English,
• 49:26
  it's a version of Adam, or Adam. That's the thing
• 49:32
  that's tough here. I think like the name Adam
• 49:35
  means man. It does which is part of why it makes
• 49:37
  it confusing too Yeah, man or human human or
• 49:41
  humankind depending on what's added to it Yeah,
• 49:44
  but a Dom is is the root that kind of sits in
• 49:47
  the middle of all of that So that's that's where
• 49:50
  it's like alright Are we talking about proper
• 49:52
  noun or because and here's the reason I say that
• 49:54
  and again This is not our main topic tonight,
• 49:56
  but I feel like this is what we need to like
• 49:59
  kind of mention is this idea that when Adam had
• 50:04
  lived 130 years, most people will go that then,
• 50:10
  so that means that 130 years equates to our years
• 50:14
  of 130, and we can assume that here. But that
• 50:20
  doesn't mean that the proper noun Adam is year
• 50:27
  zero of not only all creation, but creation of
• 50:33
  the earth. Because we also know, just simply
• 50:37
  reading the text, that man is not created on
• 50:41
  day one. And you would have to take, you would
• 50:46
  have to have an understanding that it's a literal
• 50:50
  seven days of creation to take the creation of
• 50:54
  man within those literal seven days. to backwards
• 50:58
  engineer Adam being born week one of creation.
• 51:04
  And so if you do all of that, there's a lot to
• 51:08
  assume all the way through those pieces. Especially
• 51:12
  when we look at it blankly, what does the text
• 51:14
  actually say? And what do we say it says? Especially
• 51:18
  with creation accounts, there are a lot of times
• 51:21
  two different things. Well, and right here in
• 51:24
  these three verses of Genesis 5, you're jumping
• 51:26
  between the creation of all humanity and the
• 51:30
  creation of a guy named Adam. It's distinguishing
• 51:34
  them as two different things. That's not confusing.
• 51:38
  It literally is. It's two different things. That's
• 51:40
  what it says. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not reading into
• 51:43
  that. It's literally what it says. So that is
• 51:46
  important because In order for me to go through
• 51:50
  the numbers I'm about to go through, we have
• 51:53
  to establish the guy, Adam, and just assume that
• 51:59
  his zero date of birth, and I'm not saying his
• 52:02
  zero date of birth is the beginning of not only
• 52:06
  all creation, but simply Earth as we know it,
• 52:10
  right? So I'm not saying that. I'm just creating
• 52:13
  a baseline point that... If it says when Adam
• 52:17
  had lived 130 years, that there was a year zero
• 52:20
  for Adam. And the year zero for Adam, and again,
• 52:26
  if we assume the year zero for Adam, Adam, we
• 52:29
  have no understanding in the text that Adam is
• 52:31
  born a baby. True, yeah. So again, what age is
• 52:35
  he born at? Don't know. Yeah. Is he born a baby?
• 52:39
  Like does he become an adult cucumber? You know
• 52:43
  what I mean? Which honestly is an interesting
• 52:44
  question, because it's like, yeah, if he was
• 52:47
  created as a 20 -year -old, would that be zero?
• 52:51
  That's my point. Or would that be 20? But see,
• 52:54
  if we're going to go to a flattened -out logic
• 52:57
  of this says 130, therefore creation starts with
• 53:02
  a literal seven days, you're implying so many
• 53:05
  things that logically actually don't really,
• 53:09
  they're not congruent with each other. Which
• 53:10
  is funny, too, because the text also doesn't
• 53:13
  think it's important. No. The Bible's not like,
• 53:16
  yeah, this is really important, so let me tell
• 53:18
  you. It's just like, it's not important. Right.
• 53:21
  He was made. And that's where I would say, if
• 53:24
  that is something that is important for you to
• 53:27
  believe, then that's completely fine because
• 53:29
  it actually doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah. As if
• 53:33
  it mattered, Scripture would tell us. 100%. And
• 53:37
  I would ask you, if that's something that you
• 53:39
  really hold to, why does it actually matter to
• 53:42
  you so much? Yeah, that's a good question. That's
• 53:44
  my real question. In what way does that concern
• 53:47
  Jesus at all? Yeah. I feel like especially around
• 53:53
  this topic, especially because we're talking
• 53:55
  about creation right now, it is a very touchy
• 53:59
  topic for a lot of people. For sure. early 2000s
• 54:04
  within the 90s, it's like, oh yeah, creation
• 54:07
  versus evolution. And so we've become very hardened
• 54:11
  as Christians a lot of times in our opinions
• 54:14
  about it. But we often never went back to the
• 54:18
  text and said, well, what does that actually
• 54:20
  say? Exactly. And so it's funny, it's like, yeah,
• 54:25
  for us to look at this and be like, well, no,
• 54:27
  this is actually what it says. It's like, well,
• 54:29
  a lot of Christians would disagree with it. because
• 54:32
  they've been told what it says. Yeah, that goes
• 54:34
  back to like, what does the text actually say?
• 54:37
  Yeah. Are you, is your theology built off of
• 54:39
  someone's interpretation of the text? Yeah. Or
• 54:42
  have you just gone and read your Bible? Yeah.
• 54:44
  And so my point in bringing that up too is like,
• 54:47
  cause there's a lot of other things to pull up,
• 54:49
  but it's like, even with this, it's like, well,
• 54:51
  for us to say like, it doesn't matter what age
• 54:53
  Adam was born at or even when he was born. Right.
• 54:57
  Whether it was at, you know, day seven or day
• 55:01
  six, technically, or if it was day 60 or later.
• 55:06
  It actually doesn't matter, because the text
• 55:08
  never tells us it matters. It's like, that shouldn't
• 55:12
  bother anybody. But it does, only because we've
• 55:16
  been told it should. Yes. Well, and this is,
• 55:19
  I'm actually gonna pull this up, because this
• 55:22
  is actually kind of funny, based on that point.
• 55:25
  So if you type in Methuselah, it says that he
• 55:28
  was born in 3074 BC. Dang. But what? That doesn't
• 55:34
  make sense. You know what I mean? And that's
• 55:40
  like, that's literally just Googling it. And
• 55:42
  that's like the first Google result. Yeah, like
• 55:45
  it's that birthdate is is it shows up in your
• 55:51
  Google search the same way as if you typed in
• 55:54
  when was Jennifer Aniston born? Yeah. When was
• 55:59
  Big Bird from Sesame Street born? Yeah, and the
• 56:03
  thing is, it's not that those aren't actual birth
• 56:05
  dates, but to go back to Methuselah, and it's
• 56:11
  saying that it's 3072, you're saying like, okay,
• 56:16
  so then I can backdate that to Adam. When it
• 56:20
  happened. Yeah, because Methuselah is not in
• 56:26
  any other historical books. Yeah. Yeah. So when
• 56:30
  you look that up, it's like, well, wait a minute.
• 56:33
  So then what's our timeline based off of? And
• 56:35
  it's like, it's all based on assumption. Yeah.
• 56:38
  So OK. So anyway, that's a little fun side. But
• 56:41
  that's why it was important to talk about all
• 56:43
  those pieces is because like we get to this point
• 56:45
  and I don't want to assume that that what I'm
• 56:49
  about to say that I'm establishing a year zero.
• 56:53
  Yeah. Because yeah. because if anything the year
• 56:58
  zero would be um the swapped from bc to ad but
• 57:03
  even that is not jesus's birth yeah that's true
• 57:06
  it's just the funniest part it's just around
• 57:09
  within but it's like several years of his birth
• 57:12
  um so again a different podcast uh that we haven't
• 57:16
  done yet but um okay so here's what i'm gonna
• 57:20
  do so the interesting thing about genesis 5 genealogy
• 57:23
  is that it actually gives us um Things like this,
• 57:27
  when Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a
• 57:29
  son in his own likeness after his image and named
• 57:33
  him Seth. The days of Adam after he fathered
• 57:36
  Seth were 800 years. And he had other sons and
• 57:38
  daughters, thus all the days of Adam. that Adam
• 57:41
  lived were 930 years and he died. When Seth had
• 57:46
  lived 105 years, he fathered Enosh. Seth lived
• 57:49
  after he fathered Enosh, 807 years. So what it's
• 57:53
  doing right here is it's specifically giving
• 57:55
  us a timeline. It's strategically giving us a
• 57:59
  timeline. Now everything before doesn't actually
• 58:03
  matter. Otherwise it would tell us Adam was born
• 58:06
  in the year 3000. Blah, blah, blah. You know
• 58:10
  what I mean? It's not telling us that. It's just
• 58:12
  going, all you need to know is that when Adam
• 58:16
  had lived 130 years, and in some ways it's almost
• 58:21
  like time is, in other words, like the way that
• 58:25
  Genesis is really big picture and then coming
• 58:29
  into a very specific image, it's doing like this
• 58:33
  like blurry, blurry, blurry, blurry, blurry,
• 58:36
  Adam's 130. You know what I mean? It's not going
• 58:39
  like zero, one, two, three, four, five, six,
• 58:41
  seven, eight, like going up to 130. It's this
• 58:43
  like kind of thing where it's like time is irrelevant
• 58:46
  until it is. Yeah. And then now it's 130 and
• 58:50
  Adam is having Seth. It's basically saying like,
• 58:54
  oh, your favorite author or this guy that you
• 58:56
  know. Yeah, when he was 30 years old, he had
• 58:58
  a child. Right. You're like, OK, when was he
• 59:01
  30 years old? Correct. And the Bible saying like,
• 59:03
  doesn't matter. That exactly. Yeah, that's it.
• 59:06
  So so our starting point is Adam at 130 years
• 59:09
  old. But in the scope of the timeline of Earth,
• 59:13
  no clue. Well, and that should be our evidence
• 59:17
  that the amount of time that happens before all
• 59:22
  of that to Adam being 130 is not important. But
• 59:26
  the Bible is telling us something by starting
• 59:31
  with Adam at 130 and then telling us when the
• 59:34
  sons were born and in handing off how long they
• 59:38
  lived. And here's what it's telling us. So this
• 59:41
  starts with this genealogy or these generations
• 59:44
  of Adam in Genesis five starts with Adam, the
• 59:49
  proper noun man, going through Seth, which is
• 59:53
  important because this Genesis five is after
• 59:57
  the story of Cain and Abel. So Cain and Abel
• 1:00:00
  are not in this conversation. They're not in
• 1:00:03
  this these generations. And then it ends with
• 1:00:07
  Noah. So and then the sons of Noah, of course.
• 1:00:12
  So this is getting us Genesis five is jumping
• 1:00:15
  us from everything that led up to Genesis five
• 1:00:20
  with Adam and humanity. And it's bringing us
• 1:00:24
  from Adam to Noah. Yeah. And so if we look at
• 1:00:28
  this, it's actually giving us specific years,
• 1:00:30
  which is interesting. So I'm gonna go through
• 1:00:33
  this, and I'm gonna go through it really quickly
• 1:00:35
  because this is very interesting. But also, if
• 1:00:38
  I go through this slowly, you're gonna fall asleep
• 1:00:41
  in the bathtub at 4 a .m. So let me go through
• 1:00:45
  it quick. So Adam fathered Seth at 130, and he
• 1:00:49
  lived 800 more years, which totaled 930. So if
• 1:00:55
  the birth year of Adam is year zero, let's just
• 1:00:58
  look at it that way. If the birth year of Adam
• 1:01:00
  is year zero, then if we go from zero to his
• 1:01:04
  death year, that would be 930. So Seth fathered
• 1:01:10
  Enosh at 105 and lived 807 more, so a total of
• 1:01:15
  912. So his birth was at Adam's 130, which means
• 1:01:20
  that Seth's death was at 1042, year 1042. So
• 1:01:26
  Enosh, fathered Kenan at 90 and lived 815 more,
• 1:01:31
  totaled 905. So from his birth, that was year
• 1:01:35
  235 after year zero, means that Enosh's death,
• 1:01:40
  the son of Seth, is 1140. Kenan fathered Mahalalel
• 1:01:48
  at 70, lived 840 more and totaled 910. So from
• 1:01:53
  his birth, year 325. His death was year 1235.
• 1:02:01
  Mahalalel fathered Jared at 65 and lived 830
• 1:02:05
  more years, total 895. So his birth year was
• 1:02:09
  395, based on the zero year of Adam, and his
• 1:02:14
  death would have been 1290. Jared fathered Enoch,
• 1:02:19
  our old buddy Enoch, at 162 and lived 800 more,
• 1:02:23
  totaling 962. So Jared's birth year is 460, and
• 1:02:30
  his death year would be 1422. Enoch fathered
• 1:02:36
  Methuselah at 65 and lived 300 more. His total
• 1:02:40
  years were 365, which means that Enoch died the
• 1:02:46
  youngest, although Enoch didn't die, he was taken
• 1:02:50
  up. So he was on the earth the least amount of
• 1:02:53
  time. which is interesting. And Enoch, in this
• 1:02:59
  generational list, and that's specific. Genealogical
• 1:03:02
  is a little bit different than generational,
• 1:03:05
  and it specifies as generational. So it's like
• 1:03:07
  one leader handing off to another leader. It
• 1:03:10
  doesn't necessarily mean that there are not other
• 1:03:12
  sons and daughters being born throughout, because
• 1:03:14
  after each person in Genesis five, it says, and
• 1:03:17
  then they had other sons and daughters. So there's
• 1:03:19
  a ton of people being born through this. Yeah,
• 1:03:21
  they're not having one kid and be like, all right,
• 1:03:23
  done. No, these are all very specific generational
• 1:03:26
  handoffs. Yeah. So Enoch is the seventh from
• 1:03:30
  Adam, right? And he fathers Methuselah at 65.
• 1:03:34
  And then he's on the earth for 365 years. So
• 1:03:37
  Enoch's birth year would have been 622, which
• 1:03:41
  means that at the time that Enoch is born, at
• 1:03:46
  622, assuming Adam's birth year is zero, we know
• 1:03:52
  for sure that Adam would still be alive when
• 1:03:54
  Enoch is born. Which is pretty interesting to
• 1:03:56
  think about. It is. But yeah, so even by the
• 1:04:01
  time we get to Methuselah, which would be the
• 1:04:03
  eighth generation, Adam is still alive. Yeah.
• 1:04:07
  Weird. So then Methuselah fathers Lamech at 187
• 1:04:13
  and lived 782 more. So Methuselah lived a total
• 1:04:17
  of 969 years, his birth year being 687, death
• 1:04:21
  year being 1656. Lamech, the son of Methuselah,
• 1:04:27
  fathered Noah at 182 and lived 595 more. So he's
• 1:04:33
  the second least amount of time, Lamech, Methuselah's
• 1:04:37
  son, but he lived 777 years. Which is a fully
• 1:04:43
  complete number. It's interesting. It is interesting
• 1:04:46
  So lamex lifespan was seven hundred and seventy
• 1:04:50
  seven years. So lamex is born year 874 from year
• 1:04:55
  zero, which means Adam still Adam still alive
• 1:04:58
  Yeah, so that means Adam is still alive all the
• 1:05:01
  way through the birth of The ninth generation
• 1:05:04
  Wow, and then he dies in in one thousand six
• 1:05:10
  hundred and fifty one which is, so Lamech is
• 1:05:14
  the son of Methuselah, and Lamech dies at 1651.
• 1:05:21
  Methuselah dies at 1656, which means that Methuselah
• 1:05:26
  outlives Lamech by five years. So Lamech dies
• 1:05:30
  five years before Methuselah dies. What's interesting
• 1:05:33
  looking at that, and I don't know if you're about
• 1:05:34
  to say this, but Noah's the only one to not know
• 1:05:37
  Adam, essentially, up to this point. Correct.
• 1:05:42
  Which is kind of crazy to think about. Yes, that's
• 1:05:44
  true. Yeah, so Lamech is the last, Lamech is
• 1:05:48
  the father of Noah. Yes. And Lamech as the father
• 1:05:52
  of Noah would be in the ninth generation, right?
• 1:05:56
  Wow, yeah. So in the sense of that, that means
• 1:05:59
  that Adam is, yeah, one, two, three, four, five,
• 1:06:02
  six, seven, eight, oh, eighth generation. So
• 1:06:07
  Adam is seeing the birth of eight generations
• 1:06:11
  before he dies. That's crazy. It is, because
• 1:06:14
  that means you're right. Adam doesn't get to
• 1:06:16
  see Noah born. Wow. But he witnesses everything
• 1:06:19
  that happens up until the birth, just a little
• 1:06:25
  bit after the birth of Lamech. Yeah. So in the
• 1:06:29
  process of that, that means that Noah is in relationship
• 1:06:33
  with all of these guys. Yes. Right? This is all
• 1:06:37
  failing. That's crazy. So, Adam, sorry, not Noah.
• 1:06:41
  Yeah. So, okay, so then Lamech dies five years
• 1:06:45
  before Methuselah dies. And again, Methuselah
• 1:06:49
  is the son of Enoch. And then Lamech fathers
• 1:06:54
  Noah. And Noah is his birth year would be 1056.
• 1:07:05
  So 1056. And then he fathers sons beginning at
• 1:07:12
  500 years old. I love how it starts with some
• 1:07:16
  of those guys are like 60. I know it's like 500
• 1:07:20
  works for me. So so but the interesting thing
• 1:07:24
  about that is he has so he has like Noah waits
• 1:07:32
  500 years to have sons. But good thing he did.
• 1:07:36
  That's true. because his sons needed to be young
• 1:07:40
  men to basically go into a, well, for everything
• 1:07:46
  after. Yeah, that's true. So his sons needed
• 1:07:49
  to survive the flood and then essentially repopulate
• 1:07:54
  the earth. Yeah. So you need to have a long lifespan.
• 1:07:57
  Right. So Noah, the flood begins when Noah is
• 1:08:02
  600. So 100 years after his sons are born, basically.
• 1:08:07
  And then Noah's birth is the year 1056. The flood
• 1:08:13
  begins at 1656. And then Noah, his death year
• 1:08:17
  would be 2006, which sounds really funny. It's
• 1:08:20
  kinda funny. That wasn't very long ago. Yeah,
• 1:08:25
  it's like, nah, about 20 years ago. But the crazy
• 1:08:31
  thing about that is, okay, so. So here's the
• 1:08:34
  interesting thing about these generations coming
• 1:08:36
  off of Adam, is Adam knows everybody, which is
• 1:08:40
  weird, even to think about. Lamech, the son of
• 1:08:43
  Methuselah, dies five years before Methuselah
• 1:08:47
  dies. Methuselah is the son of Enoch, seventh
• 1:08:56
  from Adam, so he's the eighth generation. And
• 1:09:00
  then Adam never meets Noah. which is kind of
• 1:09:04
  cool. It's interesting to know that, but he almost
• 1:09:07
  makes it. It's the next generation after. And
• 1:09:10
  then we understand that from this timeline, based
• 1:09:14
  off of the year zero of Adam, that the flood
• 1:09:20
  would happen in year 1656. Well, Lamech dies
• 1:09:26
  in 1651, which is five years before the flood
• 1:09:30
  happens. But Methuselah dies in 1656. So Methuselah's
• 1:09:37
  death year is the same year as the flood. Yes.
• 1:09:43
  So the son of Enoch is alive until the same year
• 1:09:50
  as the flood. But we're not given a date and
• 1:09:53
  time in which Methuselah dies. Right. We're given
• 1:09:55
  a year. Correct. So going back to your question
• 1:09:59
  that I feel like was 30 minutes ago at this point.
• 1:10:02
  Your question was, did Methuselah die in the
• 1:10:05
  great flood? Yeah. The thing is, is we actually
• 1:10:08
  don't know. Yeah. What we have is, is traditional
• 1:10:11
  understanding and the traditional understanding
• 1:10:14
  may actually blow your mind a little bit. Keep
• 1:10:16
  going. So there's all this understanding around.
• 1:10:20
  So Methuselah is actively talked about in Enoch
• 1:10:24
  one and in Enoch two. Yeah. And in the book of
• 1:10:28
  Jubilees. Yeah, can I actually yes before you
• 1:10:32
  go into it? Okay, can I give my speculation?
• 1:10:34
  Sure. I'm not gonna go into that yet. Actually,
• 1:10:37
  okay. Well, it's you know, I only really die
• 1:10:40
  One wait what when did Methuselah? I thought
• 1:10:43
  you said one. Did he die one? Did he die? About
• 1:10:48
  when or why Methuselah died no when can I give
• 1:10:52
  like a speculative thought? Yeah And then you
• 1:10:54
  can go into it. True. Because it can be fun.
• 1:10:57
  It can be fun. OK. Well, so we've talked about
• 1:11:01
  this before. But so Methuselah's name, which
• 1:11:04
  is crazy meaning, but the name of his name means
• 1:11:07
  his death shall bring. Oh, I didn't know that
• 1:11:09
  actually. Yeah. I think we talked about it like
• 1:11:13
  early, early, early in the podcast. OK. So that's
• 1:11:17
  what his name means. Oh, we did, because we talked
• 1:11:20
  about all the generations and how they tell the
• 1:11:23
  story of Jesus. Yes, yes, that's right. That's
• 1:11:26
  it. And so it's interesting, because for me at
• 1:11:29
  least, looking at that and then assuming, making
• 1:11:33
  speculation, I like to be clear about it, because
• 1:11:36
  everyone does, as we've talked about. That's
• 1:11:39
  true. In my mind, it's like it would... If that's
• 1:11:46
  true, it would make sense that his death, he
• 1:11:48
  died just before the flood. So his death was
• 1:11:51
  the trigger. Oh, okay, I see what you're saying.
• 1:11:54
  So it's like, oh, Methuselah died, which means
• 1:11:56
  that the grace period that God was giving humanity
• 1:12:00
  was marked by his death. And so if Methuselah
• 1:12:04
  died, then it's like, all right, your time's
• 1:12:07
  up, which he already numbered at 120, 120 years.
• 1:12:10
  And he's like, okay, you have 120 years. Methuselah's
• 1:12:14
  gonna die, flood time. Okay, so tell me again
• 1:12:18
  what Methuselah's name means. His death shall
• 1:12:20
  bring. His death shall bring. Yeah. Because,
• 1:12:24
  and then what we see is a baptism. Yes. So we
• 1:12:28
  essentially see a baptism of the earth. Yes.
• 1:12:31
  And then we see new life brought out from baptism.
• 1:12:34
  Yeah, and like another way that we've said it
• 1:12:36
  before is it's kind of like plunging the earth
• 1:12:40
  or humanity. Back into chaos for it to come out
• 1:12:45
  into new order. Yes. Yeah, okay, so You perfectly
• 1:12:52
  set this up because I'm gonna run right into
• 1:12:54
  the rabbinic tradition love it. So Genesis chapter
• 1:12:56
  7 says And this is like basically God setting
• 1:13:01
  up He looks at He looks at Noah and says, Go
• 1:13:06
  into the ark, you and all your household, for
• 1:13:08
  I have seen that you are righteous before me
• 1:13:10
  in this generation. Take with you seven pairs
• 1:13:13
  of all clean animals, the male and his mate,
• 1:13:16
  and a pair of the animals that are not clean,
• 1:13:18
  the male and his mate, and seven pairs of the
• 1:13:20
  birds of the heavens also, male and female, to
• 1:13:22
  keep their offspring alive on the face of all
• 1:13:24
  the earth. Then it says in verse four, so Genesis
• 1:13:27
  chapter seven, verse four says, for in seven
• 1:13:34
  days I will send rain on the earth, 40 days and
• 1:13:38
  40 nights. And every living thing that I have
• 1:13:40
  made, I will blot out from the face of the ground.
• 1:13:43
  And Noah did all the Lord had commanded. Noah
• 1:13:46
  was 600 years old when the flood of the waters
• 1:13:48
  came upon the earth. And Noah and his sons and
• 1:13:50
  his wife, and his sons' wives went in. Clean
• 1:13:53
  animals all the stuff and after seven days the
• 1:13:57
  waters of the flood came upon the earth so the
• 1:14:01
  seven days language in the flood narrative is
• 1:14:06
  a Theological hook according to rabbinic tradition
• 1:14:09
  interesting. So Genesis says in seven days I
• 1:14:12
  will send rain and also after seven days the
• 1:14:15
  water came Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin 108 B
• 1:14:20
  Rav explicitly interprets those as days of mourning
• 1:14:25
  for Methuselah and teaches the principle that
• 1:14:29
  eulogies for the righteous can avert or delay
• 1:14:34
  calamity. Genesis Rav and Bershi Rav 32 .7 likewise
• 1:14:45
  ties the seven days to mourning for Methuselah
• 1:14:49
  and frames it as God holding back judgment briefly.
• 1:14:53
  Rasha on the Torah in Genesis 7 -4 makes it very
• 1:14:58
  direct. These are the seven days of mourning
• 1:15:01
  for the righteous man, Methuselah, and explicitly
• 1:15:06
  says it's for his honor. Wow. So the rabbinic
• 1:15:10
  tradition says that the reason why Genesis seven
• 1:15:14
  four says, and then in seven days, this will
• 1:15:20
  happen. So I was looking at that like, they're
• 1:15:25
  just making that up. But then when you just said
• 1:15:28
  what Methuselah's name means, I'm like, oh well
• 1:15:32
  that's where they're getting it from. So literally
• 1:15:37
  Genesis seven four is saying, I've seen you,
• 1:15:42
  Noah, as a righteous man. Now, it does not say
• 1:15:48
  in the text that the seven days is a period of
• 1:15:52
  mourning for the death of Methuselah. It also
• 1:15:55
  doesn't tell us that Methuselah dies. It just
• 1:15:59
  tells us what year Methuselah dies. And it actually
• 1:16:04
  doesn't even tell us the year. It tells us how
• 1:16:07
  old he was when he died. Yes, that's true. But
• 1:16:09
  it does tell us the year because of how it lays
• 1:16:12
  out the generations. If you put it together like
• 1:16:14
  you did. Right. Yes, you can figure it out. Exactly.
• 1:16:17
  So in looking at that, then you go, well, why
• 1:16:20
  would it... It doesn't reference why he would
• 1:16:22
  wait seven days. No. Other than it's a completion
• 1:16:26
  of time. Which it's funny because again, it's
• 1:16:29
  like it's one of those things where we're not...
• 1:16:31
  as a non -ancient non -Jew. It's like we don't,
• 1:16:35
  when we see that we're like, okay. But for the
• 1:16:39
  average reader, it's like, oh yeah, that's why.
• 1:16:42
  For the average reader? The average ancient reader.
• 1:16:46
  The ancient Jewish reader. Ancient Jewish reader's
• 1:16:48
  like, oh yeah, that would make sense. Well, it's
• 1:16:51
  in the Talmud. And it's in Babylonian texts.
• 1:16:55
  It's written in this way where it's going like,
• 1:16:59
  yeah, that seven days is a period of mourning.
• 1:17:01
  Yeah. And in that, because my other question
• 1:17:05
  with that was like, okay, if there's a period
• 1:17:10
  of mourning for Methuselah's death and God is
• 1:17:13
  recognizing it, so that would mean that Yahweh
• 1:17:16
  is engaging in this period of mourning for the
• 1:17:20
  death of Methuselah. Yeah. So, the rabbinic logic
• 1:17:25
  is basically this, if God delays global judgment
• 1:17:28
  in connection with a man's death, then that man
• 1:17:31
  is being treated as a righteous man worthy of
• 1:17:36
  honor. The Sanhedrin 108b doesn't just say mourning
• 1:17:40
  happened, it attaches the teaching, eulogies
• 1:17:44
  for the righteous prevent calamity, which implies
• 1:17:48
  Methuselah is being classed with the righteous.
• 1:17:52
  Rashi goes all the way and uses the title, The
• 1:17:55
  Righteous Man Methuselah. So righteousness here
• 1:17:58
  is not a found verse. It's not there. It's an
• 1:18:02
  interpretive conclusion. The tradition reads
• 1:18:06
  God's restraint as evidence of the man's standing.
• 1:18:10
  So it's counting righteousness to Methuselah
• 1:18:13
  through the Talmudic interpretation of what the
• 1:18:18
  Torah is saying in Genesis 7 .4. Yeah, so it's
• 1:18:23
  interesting with that Can I talk a little bit
• 1:18:26
  about this? Yeah, okay So it's interesting it's
• 1:18:30
  kind of like okay. So why was he counted that
• 1:18:32
  way and So if for me to jump in and like well,
• 1:18:37
  maybe this is why okay You know, I love my speculation
• 1:18:41
  do it Again, cuz it's like well scripture doesn't
• 1:18:44
  say this right. This is more tradition Mixed
• 1:18:48
  in with like book of Enoch information. Okay
• 1:18:51
  now Yes, just to clarify the rabbinic tradition
• 1:18:56
  is The Talmud is pre Second temple literature.
• 1:19:03
  Yes, so When we let's just do this We'll make
• 1:19:07
  this blanket statement. Yeah, let's just assume
• 1:19:10
  that Enoch one is second temple literature. Mm
• 1:19:13
  -hmm Okay, perfect. If you know what that means
• 1:19:16
  great if you don't know what that means, it doesn't
• 1:19:18
  matter No, so if you don't know what it means
• 1:19:20
  just know that It's not scripture Well, it is
• 1:19:25
  It's not older than the Tao mood. Yes But it
• 1:19:31
  did exist It means if it's second temple literature,
• 1:19:35
  it basically means that it's like within a thousand
• 1:19:41
  within 500 to a thousand years before Jesus really
• 1:19:45
  two or three hundred years. Yeah is safer. Yeah,
• 1:19:49
  but it's yeah Yes, that's fair. But yeah, so...
• 1:19:53
  Yeah, because a thousand years would go back
• 1:19:54
  to David. So it's within two or three hundred
• 1:19:56
  years before the birth of Jesus. That would make
• 1:19:59
  more sense. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Which
• 1:20:02
  means that the seventh from Adam, Enoch, would
• 1:20:05
  not have been the one to actually pin Enoch one.
• 1:20:08
  Correct. It would be a pseudopiragraphal writing
• 1:20:11
  using his name. Yeah. Which kind of adds to what
• 1:20:17
  I'm about to say. Yeah. that idea, which like,
• 1:20:20
  he didn't write it down. You know, someone else
• 1:20:23
  wrote it down and said like, oh, this is what
• 1:20:25
  he said. And so, some of this information is
• 1:20:31
  within the Book of the Watchers, which is in
• 1:20:33
  Enoch 1. And it's... is a part where he actually
• 1:20:38
  summons Methuselah. Enoch does, he's like, hey,
• 1:20:42
  I want you to come and read all of this. I want
• 1:20:44
  you to hear all of this, which would be more
• 1:20:46
  accurate, because it wasn't written down, like
• 1:20:47
  I said. So he actually tells him, according to
• 1:20:52
  the book of Enoch, says that Enoch shares with
• 1:20:56
  Methuselah all of the revelation that he was
• 1:20:59
  given that's written down within the book of
• 1:21:01
  Enoch, the first Enoch. And so Methuselah, if
• 1:21:07
  that is true, Methuselah would be the only person
• 1:21:12
  on earth to be given the second hand or the direct
• 1:21:18
  information from Enoch that God gave Enoch. Arguably
• 1:21:22
  wrote it down. Arguably. It could have gotten
• 1:21:25
  washed away. Or passed along. Yeah, so Methuselah,
• 1:21:29
  what he represents is he's the person on earth
• 1:21:32
  since Enoch is gone. He's the only person on
• 1:21:36
  earth who actually knows all of the uncorrupted
• 1:21:39
  knowledge that God intended for humanity. And
• 1:21:43
  so Methuselah is then teaching his kids and his
• 1:21:46
  kids' kids, well actually just his kids' kids.
• 1:21:51
  Not beyond that. Because he would be teaching
• 1:21:54
  Lamech and who would teach Noah. Or he would
• 1:21:59
  teach Noah. He would probably teach, because
• 1:22:00
  he was alive. Or arguably he would go... build
• 1:22:04
  spaces to hide the knowledge. Yeah. We can talk
• 1:22:09
  about that some other time. But yeah, so within
• 1:22:11
  that, so Methuselah, it's like, well, if that
• 1:22:15
  period of time that's marked the seven days is
• 1:22:18
  a period of mourning for Methuselah, it's like,
• 1:22:19
  well, why is that so important? Well, it's like,
• 1:22:22
  well, if Methuselah, this is all ifs. I keep
• 1:22:24
  saying if, I want to emphasize that. It's like,
• 1:22:28
  well, if Methuselah is the person that is entrusted,
• 1:22:31
  with righteous knowledge from God, then it's
• 1:22:34
  like, well, yeah, of course he would be recognized.
• 1:22:37
  Right. Because he's the guy who is entrusted
• 1:22:40
  and has the responsibility for teaching the right
• 1:22:44
  knowledge, like the intended knowledge for humanity.
• 1:22:47
  Here's the thing that I also like about this
• 1:22:49
  that I've never thought about. Adam sins and
• 1:22:57
  is cast out of the garden. But it seems like
• 1:23:03
  the generations from Adam all the way to Noah
• 1:23:07
  is a line of, maybe not fully, maybe it's not
• 1:23:12
  accurate to call it fully this, but it seems
• 1:23:16
  like a line or generational, it's almost like
• 1:23:24
  the, if anybody's gonna try to turn back towards
• 1:23:29
  Yahweh, it's these nine guys. So I feel like
• 1:23:35
  it's the idea that like, it's not necessarily
• 1:23:38
  that righteousness could be counted to all of
• 1:23:40
  them, but instead, if anybody on the earth is
• 1:23:45
  righteous, it would probably be one of these
• 1:23:48
  nine people. Particularly if we get to the point
• 1:23:52
  where you're looking at these Adam to Seth to
• 1:23:57
  Enosh, and then as it goes through, It's kind
• 1:24:00
  of like you don't get a whole lot until you get
• 1:24:02
  Enoch. Yeah. And then it's like Enoch walked
• 1:24:05
  with the Lord and then he was not. Yeah. And
• 1:24:08
  then but he fathered Methuselah. And then the
• 1:24:10
  tradition of the Second Temple literature, along
• 1:24:13
  with the tradition of the rabbinic understanding
• 1:24:16
  that was pre Second Temple literature, had this
• 1:24:19
  understanding of Methuselah as a righteous man.
• 1:24:21
  Well, Methuselah is the son of Enoch, who we
• 1:24:24
  know scripturally was a righteous man. Yes. and
• 1:24:27
  then the son of Methuselah is Lamech, who lives
• 1:24:31
  777 years, and fathers Noah, who is explicitly
• 1:24:37
  said by Yahweh to be a righteous man. So at the
• 1:24:41
  very least, if there is corruption from Adam
• 1:24:46
  through Seth, through Enosh, Mahalalel, like
• 1:24:49
  as it goes through those names, it looks like
• 1:24:53
  when we get to Enoch, there's a shift. And it
• 1:24:57
  doesn't necessarily mean that the others were
• 1:24:58
  unrighteous, but we know of Adam's unrighteousness.
• 1:25:03
  So it's almost like there's a shift with Enoch,
• 1:25:06
  and then Enoch imparts that into Methuselah,
• 1:25:09
  who then imparts that into Lamech, who has Noah,
• 1:25:12
  who ends up being the righteous one, who carries
• 1:25:16
  Yahweh into the earth and helps reset everything
• 1:25:20
  after this baptism of the flood. I mean, it's
• 1:25:26
  kind of like a gospel story, even within that.
• 1:25:28
  It is, yeah. And how you're describing it, it's
• 1:25:29
  like, we start in this place and it's like, okay,
• 1:25:32
  now you're brought into sin and corruption. Yeah.
• 1:25:36
  And then there is that turning point within the
• 1:25:38
  generations that we're seeing, and it's like,
• 1:25:40
  and this revitalization. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and
• 1:25:43
  even in that, like, so the, so... Well, I mean,
• 1:25:45
  even that, it's like through revelation. It's
• 1:25:48
  like, that's the whole thing with Enoch, is like,
• 1:25:49
  what he was given is called, it's like, oh, this
• 1:25:52
  is all revealed to him, it's all revelation.
• 1:25:55
  and then he passes that on. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay,
• 1:26:03
  so just to hit on Enoch really quick. So, okay,
• 1:26:08
  so the book of Jubilees, Jubilees four explicitly
• 1:26:10
  says that Enoch testified against the Watchers
• 1:26:13
  who sinned with human women. So this is another
• 1:26:17
  space that's talking about Enoch who is the father
• 1:26:22
  of Methuselah. but doesn't explicitly mention
• 1:26:24
  Methuselah. And then one Enoch often portrays
• 1:26:28
  Enoch as the key messenger and scribe figure
• 1:26:31
  connected to heavenly judgment themes, and it
• 1:26:34
  casts Methuselah as a trusted receiver and a
• 1:26:38
  transmitter. In Enochian material, Enoch addresses
• 1:26:42
  my son Methuselah and charges him to keep and
• 1:26:46
  pass on the books to future generations. And
• 1:26:50
  in the birth of Noah tradition, One Enoch 106,
• 1:26:54
  Methuselah appears as a decision -maker inside
• 1:26:57
  the family line, arranging Lamech's marriage,
• 1:27:02
  and then being involved when Noah's birth is
• 1:27:05
  treated as extraordinary and alarming. So, Methuselah,
• 1:27:12
  receiving the information from Enoch, then links
• 1:27:16
  up Lamech, which results in the birth of Noah.
• 1:27:21
  who becomes a savior type. So you get this like
• 1:27:28
  pre -deluvian, so a pre -flood space of a savior,
• 1:27:33
  which is Noah, the man who is counted as righteous,
• 1:27:36
  who goes forth. And the thing is like, therefore
• 1:27:40
  Noah is, it's almost like Enoch was the first
• 1:27:47
  Elijah. Noah is the first savior that then pushes
• 1:27:56
  through the flood. So he goes through baptism,
• 1:28:00
  comes out on the other side, and guess what appears?
• 1:28:03
  The dove. Through his baptism, the dove is the
• 1:28:08
  sign of land and hope. And then through Jesus'
• 1:28:11
  baptism, there's a dove that descends the spirit
• 1:28:13
  upon him. And then later you get a man righteous
• 1:28:19
  that comes through this unrighteous land and
• 1:28:25
  you get Abram who becomes Abraham and becomes
• 1:28:28
  the father of many nations. So in that way, Abram
• 1:28:33
  or Abraham is accounted righteous in a similar
• 1:28:37
  fashion as Noah. And then later, yeah, you get
• 1:28:40
  Elijah who is taken up the same way that Enoch
• 1:28:43
  was. which is interesting. Yeah, that's very
• 1:28:46
  interesting. It's also interesting because Enoch
• 1:28:49
  is pre -flood. So when we look at like the Mount
• 1:28:53
  of Transfiguration and you get Elijah and you
• 1:28:57
  get Moses, you don't get Enoch. Right. But also
• 1:29:01
  that you're not really expecting Enoch. Yeah.
• 1:29:06
  Because everything Enoch needed to do already
• 1:29:08
  happened and the people on the Mount of Transfiguration
• 1:29:13
  were not just people that were taken up because
• 1:29:15
  Moses wasn't taken up. So Moses would be out
• 1:29:20
  of place if Enoch was there. So it doesn't really
• 1:29:23
  make sense for them to be there. But anyways,
• 1:29:27
  I think that that is interesting because one
• 1:29:30
  of the things that that does for me is that Methuselah
• 1:29:32
  is this hinge point character, this hinge point
• 1:29:35
  person that actually links us to the righteousness
• 1:29:39
  of Enoch. being this first wave that carries
• 1:29:43
  us through Noah in this way that's really interesting.
• 1:29:47
  Even if one Enoch, even if none of it was true,
• 1:29:54
  even if none of the Talmudic writings were true,
• 1:29:58
  the fact that there are thousands of years, at
• 1:30:02
  least 3000 years from today's date, at least
• 1:30:06
  3000 years of tradition, that Methuselah was
• 1:30:10
  a righteous man, according to rabbinic tradition,
• 1:30:13
  and that he carried the words of Enoch for them
• 1:30:19
  to be transcribed to future generations is kind
• 1:30:25
  of mind -blowing. It means that this guy, Methuselah,
• 1:30:28
  who's mentioned one time, becomes this really
• 1:30:31
  critical piece, and his name means... His death
• 1:30:34
  shall bring. Which is... Kind of wild. It is.
• 1:30:38
  Well, it's like, yeah, even again, to emphasize
• 1:30:41
  what you're saying, it's like just looking at
• 1:30:44
  scripture alone, not even any extra biblical
• 1:30:48
  literature. It's like scripture alone. It's like,
• 1:30:52
  well, here's this character, Enoch, who was so
• 1:30:55
  righteous he didn't die. Right. It's like, OK,
• 1:30:59
  what happened there? Right. And then from there,
• 1:31:02
  we have Methuselah. who is at least written down
• 1:31:06
  the oldest person to ever live. And it's like,
• 1:31:09
  okay, well, that's interesting. That is interesting.
• 1:31:11
  And it's like, well, why did he live so long
• 1:31:13
  compared to everybody else? And then he just
• 1:31:17
  happens to be the grandfather of Noah. And his
• 1:31:19
  son, Lamech, lives 777 years. Yes. It all seems
• 1:31:25
  kind of important right there. It's like, that's
• 1:31:27
  kind of important. It's like, this isn't outside
• 1:31:30
  of the Bible. This is just the Bible. Right.
• 1:31:32
  It's like adding in the pieces that you added
• 1:31:34
  in, it's like, oh, that, I think that tells the
• 1:31:38
  story a little bit more cohesively. But it's
• 1:31:40
  like, if we're questioning that, it's like, well,
• 1:31:43
  let's just look at what scripture says. And numbers
• 1:31:46
  mean something in scripture. They're like, they're
• 1:31:49
  symbols for something. So the names. And names
• 1:31:51
  mean a lot. Names mean more than numbers. I would
• 1:31:55
  argue. And in Hebrew, names are numbers. Yes,
• 1:31:58
  which is kind of funny. So numbers mean a lot.
• 1:32:02
  Yeah, you're right, you're right. So it's like
• 1:32:04
  all these things, like all these pieces are here
• 1:32:06
  in scripture. And the part that we're at the
• 1:32:09
  disadvantage of as modern readers is we don't
• 1:32:13
  know what they knew. And so for us, it's like,
• 1:32:16
  well, let's go back and see how far back can
• 1:32:19
  we update our knowledge to what they knew. And
• 1:32:22
  when we start to download that information a
• 1:32:24
  little bit, we're like, oh, okay, now it makes
• 1:32:26
  more sense. So, to your original question, I
• 1:32:30
  think there's two answers I would have. One would
• 1:32:33
  be what the Bible says, and the other would be
• 1:32:35
  what tradition says. So, does Methuselah die
• 1:32:40
  in the great flood? The Bible doesn't say. Methuselah
• 1:32:45
  dies the same year as the flood. We have no reason
• 1:32:48
  to believe that he actually dies because of the
• 1:32:52
  flood or in the flood itself. Right? what we
• 1:32:56
  know from Enochian tradition and in detail, but
• 1:33:01
  what we know from biblical tradition is that
• 1:33:03
  everybody who dies in the flood was unrighteous.
• 1:33:08
  And we have no reason to believe biblically that
• 1:33:10
  Methuselah is counted as part of the unrighteous.
• 1:33:13
  In fact, his father, Enoch, is taken up. Methuselah
• 1:33:20
  is not taken up. Lamech dies before the flood,
• 1:33:23
  which means that his father and his son do not
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  actually die because of the flood. So they are
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  not counted as unrighteous who die because of
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  the flood. And then his grandson Noah makes it
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  through the flood. So Methuselah seems to be
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  the only person in that line of people that could
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  have died in the flood, but seemingly it would
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  be out of the... out of the character of that
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  story for that to be true because it would break
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  the pattern. It would also mean that Methuselah
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  himself would have been counted with the unrighteous,
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  which we had no reason to believe that. And we
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  actually see Lamech dies his son five years before
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  with the perfect number of age as a completed
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  life. And so in that way, there's no reason for
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  us to believe that Methuselah would have been
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  counted with the unrighteous who died in the
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  flood because he knows Noah. He's not counted
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  among the people who are mocking Noah. And that's
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  what the Bible says. So does he die because of
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  the flood? Everything points to no. Now, then
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  everything else in the tradition points to the
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  fact that not only did he not die because of
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  the flood, but that God acknowledged a period
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  of proper mourning of seven days before sending
• 1:34:53
  the flood. So that one who was counted righteous
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  would be properly honored before the flood came
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  and wiped out the unrighteous. Yeah, because
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  even like to add an extra piece to that, it's
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  like with what the extra biblical literature
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  would suggest is he was not only righteous, but
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  he was pivotal. Yeah. Yeah. So does Methuselah
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  die in the Great Flood? No. Three, two, one.
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  I don't know any of those other lyrics. I don't
• 1:35:51
  think there are any other lyrics. That would
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  be a great way to start an episode.