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Friday Night Special: 'PORNY' MORMON DENTIST MURDERS WIFE, BIZARRE TWISTS LEADING TO START OF TRIAL · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Good evening, everybody. I'm Nancy Grayson.
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Speaker 2: This is the Friday Night special Crime Stories, and tonight
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Speaker 2: terrible news for a Colorado.
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Speaker 1: Dentist, a very popular.
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Speaker 2: Dentist accused of murdering his wife with poisoned shakes. Ret
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Speaker 2: Row again, Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories,
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Speaker 2: and I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: A lawyer who.
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Speaker 2: Had been defending a Colorado dentist charged of killing his
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Speaker 2: wife with of course, I mean really poisoned shakes, has
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Speaker 2: just withdrawn from the case. Has he just figured out
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Speaker 2: he's got a liar for a client? Seriously, because he
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Speaker 2: did it just days before.
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Speaker 1: The start of the murder.
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Speaker 2: Try now, wait, wait, wait for it, after allegedly setting
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Speaker 2: his own house on fire. Okay, just recently we covered
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Speaker 2: the case. I'm going to tell you all about it
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Speaker 2: of a lawyer who had called in bomb threats to
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Speaker 2: the courthouse because he wasn't ready to go to trial
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Speaker 2: and then even ended up killing his divorce client, a
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Speaker 2: beautiful woman, a mother killed her in an ambush so
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Speaker 2: he wouldn't have to go to trial. And now we
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Speaker 2: get a lawyer who sets fire to his own home
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Speaker 2: just before trial. Okay, you know what, I may not
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Speaker 2: like it, but as a judge, I would absolutely give
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Speaker 2: you a continuance. Anyway, Can we get to the facts
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Speaker 2: at hand? Or maybe he just realized he's stuck between
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Speaker 2: a rock and a hard spot. He's got to go
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Speaker 2: to trial and spout out a lot of things he
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Speaker 2: knows to be a lie.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Jackie.
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Speaker 3: The lead up to James Craig's trial has been bizarre.
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Speaker 3: Two postponements, three different attorney teams, five added charges, and
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Speaker 3: a crazy action from an attorney who allegedly set his
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Speaker 3: own house on fire. Still, the Aurordendus trial finally got
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Speaker 3: under way yesterday. Hundreds of potential jurors were in centennials
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Speaker 3: a Rapahoe County Justice Center, filling out questionnaires and being
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Speaker 3: questioned by attorneys. Forty six year old Craig faces six
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Speaker 3: felony counts murder in the first degree, two counts of
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Speaker 3: solicitation to commit tampering with physical evidence, three counts of
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Speaker 3: solicitation to commit perjury in the first degree. Court documents
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Speaker 3: show that Craig jailed on a murder charge of his wife,
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Speaker 3: Angela Craig still allegedly worked to convince inmates, a former mistress,
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Speaker 3: and even one of his own children to tamper with evidence,
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Speaker 3: to plant it to make it look like Angela Craig
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Speaker 3: wanted to kill herself. Prosecutors sage James Craig even made
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Speaker 3: a botched murder for higher attempt on the cases lead
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Speaker 3: detective just before a second attempt at trial last year.
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Speaker 3: Craig allegedly offered people cash and dental work in return
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Speaker 3: for a cover up. Craig insists he ordered poison because
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Speaker 3: his wife asked him.
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Speaker 2: To what happened to the must just say frisky dentist
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Speaker 2: who had begun yet another sex affair behind his wife's back,
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Speaker 2: clearly not his first, and this with a fellow dental worker,
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Speaker 2: a Texas orthodonist. The dentist accused of poisoning his wife
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Speaker 2: shakes with cyanide.
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Speaker 1: And a chemical that is found in eye drops.
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Speaker 2: Wow, if he put as much thought into fixing his
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Speaker 2: marriage as he did and to how to murder his wife,
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Speaker 2: that probably be the happiest couple on earth. That said,
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Speaker 2: what do we know about what happened to Angela?
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Speaker 1: Craig?
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Speaker 4: Listen to this After multiple recent hospital visits. Angela again
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Speaker 4: checked into a hospital Wednesday morning, complaining of a severe
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Speaker 4: headache in dizziness. Around two pm, she had a seizure,
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Speaker 4: her condition rapidly declining, doctors moving her to the ICU,
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Speaker 4: where she was put on life support before passing away.
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Speaker 2: Saturday, joining me an all star panel to make sense
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Speaker 2: of what we are learning this mom of six six
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Speaker 2: and she's still really young as well.
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Speaker 1: Apparently, you know, college sweethearts.
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Speaker 2: Fall in love, they get married and immediately start having children.
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Speaker 2: That's how mom this young can have six children already, and.
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Speaker 1: I don't get it.
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Speaker 2: I want to go straight out to Stephan Tubb's, host
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Speaker 2: of the podcast Arsenic Dds The Bizarre Case of Doctor
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Speaker 2: James Craig, which is an incredible podcast by the way. Okay,
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Speaker 2: I've done all this investigation and research and I learned
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Speaker 2: even more by listening to that Arsenic Dds. The is
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Speaker 2: our case of Doctor James Craig. Stephan, I want to
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Speaker 2: just start with this young mom, Angela suddenly developed all
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Speaker 2: these symptoms. Nobody can figure out what's wrong with her,
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Speaker 2: and she just bam dies. Now tell me about her
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Speaker 2: original sentence, Stephan Tubbs.
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Speaker 5: Nancy, she got incredibly sick.
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Speaker 6: And it wasn't just one time in the hospital, it
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Speaker 6: was multiple times that she was feeling nauseous, that she
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Speaker 6: just didn't feel something was right, severe headaches, and she
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Speaker 6: went to a local hospital. The first time to the er,
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Speaker 6: it was discharged, and then went to the same hospital
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Speaker 6: like a week later.
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Speaker 5: It was Steph Stephan.
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Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, Stephan, I want to go straight
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Speaker 2: out to our shrink. Joining us in addition to incredible
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Speaker 2: panel of guests joining me Doctor cheven Scott, psychotherapist, author
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Speaker 2: of the Minds of mass Killers, so much.
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Speaker 1: More, Doctor Chavon, thank you for being with us. Have
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Speaker 1: you ever noticed how women's symptoms just get discounted.
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Speaker 2: They come in, I'm nauseous, I feel dizzy, I've got
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Speaker 2: this severe headache, when they're like.
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Speaker 1: Oh, you're fine, bye. You have been over and over
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Speaker 1: to Angela.
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Speaker 7: What is it?
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Speaker 1: Are all women quote hysterical? Yeah.
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Speaker 8: There's even something called the w W syndrome, and that
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Speaker 8: stands for whiney women, and medical doctors have been known
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Speaker 8: to talk about the women.
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Speaker 2: Wait, wait, head blowing off right now?
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Speaker 1: The w W syndrome. Is that what you just said?
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Speaker 5: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, whiney woman.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I've read some women doctors have written books about
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Speaker 8: this problem in the medical profession where women are just
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Speaker 8: dismissed and not taken seriously.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I've got so much to say about that, but
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Speaker 2: it will get me totally sidetracked off. This woman angela
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Speaker 2: mother of six. Okay, back to you, Stephan Tubbs joining me,
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Speaker 2: who has research and investigated this case. Just to the detail, Stephan, So,
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Speaker 2: she had headaches, a severe headache. I think from what
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Speaker 2: I recall, that's what really made her decide to go
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Speaker 2: to the hospital. She was having nausea and felt dizzy,
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Speaker 2: but it was the headaches. I think she was worried
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Speaker 2: that she was having a stroke because the headache was
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Speaker 2: so severe.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, she was very very ill. She was very very
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Speaker 6: concerned about her own health and safety. This is a
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Speaker 6: mother of six. Not all of the children were inside
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Speaker 6: the home, but she's incredibly sick and wondering how the
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Speaker 6: hell she got sick.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 2: My stomach feels fine, although at one point she said
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Speaker 2: she had nausea. But my head feels funny and dizzy,
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Speaker 2: very strange. I'm dizzy, eyes don't want to focus, I
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Speaker 2: don't feel right in my head.
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Speaker 1: No, this is just weird. I'm dizzy in my head.
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Speaker 2: My eyes are working slowly, my body's responding slowly. I
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Speaker 2: feel drugged. Response from husband, the family man, Dennis. Given
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Speaker 2: our history, I know that must be triggering. Just for
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Speaker 2: the record, I didn't drug you. Whoa okay? As Shakespeare
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Speaker 2: said me.
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Speaker 1: Thanks.
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Speaker 2: That does protest too much, you know, like when a
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Speaker 2: cop walks by and go, I don't have drugs on me.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, let's get back to it. Listen.
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Speaker 9: She was complaining of having a really nasty headache. She
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Speaker 9: was also complaining about her eyesight. She was having trouble focusing.
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Speaker 9: She said that she felt tingly. She said that she
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Speaker 9: felt cold. She's concerned that it could be a sinus infection,
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Speaker 9: and then there's some conversation about maybe she's diabetic. No
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Speaker 9: one is able to find an answer for what is
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Speaker 9: causing this otherwise healthy mother of six to be feeling
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Speaker 9: these horrendous symptoms. She goes back a few days later,
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Speaker 9: March ninth, same symptoms, nausea, dizziness, headache, even some vomiting. Again,
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Speaker 9: the doctors can't figure out which wrong with her. They
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Speaker 9: send her home, and then when she goes back for
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Speaker 9: a third time. That's when she's checked in. Her condition
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Speaker 9: deteriorate quickly, and.
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Speaker 2: There you see doctor Chevon Scott with us, who just
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Speaker 2: dropped a Bombshelle mommie about the WW syndrome, whiny woman syndrome.
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Speaker 2: Now we're on round three. Okay, she's at the hospital
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Speaker 2: a third time. They keep sending her home and sending
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Speaker 2: her home. Now she codes. I guess that means code
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Speaker 2: read or whatever they call it in the hospital.
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Speaker 1: When you're dying. Yeah.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, just a horrifying, horrifying situation for a young woman
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Speaker 8: to be in with no explanation. It's hard to imagine
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Speaker 8: how frightened she must have been.
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Speaker 2: Eric fattis joining me, high profile try lawyer, TV legal
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Speaker 2: analysts founding partner Varner Fattus elite legal, former felony prosecutor.
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Speaker 1: Eric, Don't you just hate it when you're own client.
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Speaker 2: He's not charged with anything out of the blue, said
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Speaker 2: I didn't drug you, because that's what he said.
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Speaker 1: Nobody said he did drug anybody.
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Speaker 2: And all of a sudden he goes, just, FYI, I
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Speaker 2: didn't drug you. If my husband said FYI I didn't
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Speaker 2: drug you, I'm going to need a defense attorney, because
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Speaker 2: who would jump up and say that unless they drug
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Speaker 2: the wife, I hear you.
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Speaker 10: I mean, it's a curious statement, certainly suspicious in the
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Speaker 10: eyes of many, you know. On the other hand, I
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Speaker 10: think his defense is going to argue that the merriage
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Speaker 10: was on the rocks, things were tense, things were dicey,
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Speaker 10: and so you know, people say things that in the
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Speaker 10: heat of an event like this, that that certainly could
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Speaker 10: be triggering for both parties. But yeah, the gravity of
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Speaker 10: the statement and sort of it coming out of nowhere
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Speaker 10: is not lost on triggering.
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Speaker 1: First of all, I don't know how that got popular triggering.
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Speaker 2: For both parties. Are you telling me he the dentist
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Speaker 2: is triggered? What are you talking about? Why she's dead?
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Speaker 1: Okay, why are you talking about him getting triggered?
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Speaker 5: This conversation proceeded the death.
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Speaker 10: What I was saying is that, you know, when the
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Speaker 10: relationship is super rocky, sometimes when there are serious medical
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Speaker 10: events that come up, or just serious life events, those
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Speaker 10: things can add to the tenseness of the situation, the
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Speaker 10: stress of the situation, and he could have been experiencing
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Speaker 10: distress as well, and sometimes things come.
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Speaker 1: Out rocky rocky.
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Speaker 2: That's what you call a string of mistresses rocky, that's
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Speaker 2: more like an earthquake.
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Speaker 10: It is a serious event which just could have further
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Speaker 10: been destabilizing for the relationship. When something serious happens when
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Speaker 10: your spouse is sick, I think defense is going to
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Speaker 10: argue that, hey, things were really distressing yours heightened emotionality,
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Speaker 10: and sometimes people just say things.
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Speaker 5: That's at least some defense, so likely for him.
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Speaker 1: Who is this guy?
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Speaker 11: My name is doctor Jim Craig and I practice as
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Speaker 11: summer Brook Dental Group. My approach to dentistry begins with
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Speaker 11: sincerely listening to the patient and wanting to find out
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Speaker 11: more about where they're coming from and what they're looking
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Speaker 11: for and what they want.
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Speaker 2: That's from the official Summerbrook Dentistry Facebook page.
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Speaker 1: I want to go straight.
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Speaker 2: Out to Phil Waters, former homicide detective from the Houston
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Speaker 2: PD President CEO Kindred Spirits Investigations and Security.
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Speaker 1: Phil.
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Speaker 2: I know that Eric Fattis is going to turn purple
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Speaker 2: and tell me this means nothing. But when your husband,
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Speaker 2: the dentist who sits on one of those little roly
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Speaker 2: chairs all day long, suddenly starts working out and developing
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Speaker 2: interests in getting sprayed hands, you better pay attention to
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Speaker 2: what's going on.
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Speaker 5: He dan homicide. Of course, we'd call that a clue.
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Speaker 12: To watch his behavior and the things that he's doing there.
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Speaker 12: I mean, I guess in isolation for that setting, he
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Speaker 12: appears to be a very attentive dentist and he's really
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Speaker 12: into what he's doing, and he's trying to entertain his clients,
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Speaker 12: his patients as well as do the proper dental work
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Speaker 12: on them. So in that particular setting, it does look
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Speaker 12: like if, of course we don't know what the timeline
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Speaker 12: here is, but if he's been hitting the gym and
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Speaker 12: doing some things that are trying to get his physique
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Speaker 12: in a better shape, that might be an indicator, of
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Speaker 12: course to his wife in a general sense that are
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Speaker 12: you doing this for me?
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Speaker 5: Or are you doing this for some other purpose?
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Speaker 2: Okay, take a look at this fattest and that's from
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Speaker 2: the summer Brook Dentistry facebook page.
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Speaker 1: Just where we're getting that. Do you see somebody's pumping
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Speaker 1: iron in the gym all of a sudden?
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Speaker 10: If he does, look a little jack there, defense is
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Speaker 10: going to say, so what, everyone is allowed to take
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Speaker 10: care of their own health. A's the homicide detective just
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Speaker 10: said maybe he was taking care of himself to sort
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Speaker 10: of rekindle the flame with his wife at the time.
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Speaker 10: We just don't know, but but yeah, I mean, even
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Speaker 10: if the relationship was on the rocks and he was
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Speaker 10: preparing for something new, that's not a crime.
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Speaker 4: When Angela is admitted to the hospital for the third
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Speaker 4: time in two weeks, James Craig only stops at the
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Speaker 4: hospital for half an hour before going out to get
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Speaker 4: food for his wife. Craig returns an hour and a
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Speaker 4: half later and goes into Angela's room alone. Just a
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Speaker 4: few minutes later, Angela has a severe seizure in her
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Speaker 4: vitals crash. While hospital staff attempt to revive Angela, Craig
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Speaker 4: takes photos of his own conscious wife. Angela is stabilized
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Speaker 4: with the ventilator but declared brain dead.
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Speaker 2: Takes photos of his wife before we go to a
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Speaker 2: renowned physician and biomedical engineer, doctor Ernest Shiodo. Let me
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Speaker 2: go back to Stephan Tubbs, host of Arsenic DDS.
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Speaker 1: Stefan, Why is he taking pictures of.
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Speaker 2: His wife as she's dying and they're desperately trying to
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Speaker 2: resuscitate her and she's got all kind of tubes in.
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Speaker 1: Her, well, what happened.
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Speaker 6: He's at the foot of the bed and it's almost
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Speaker 6: as if he's almost halfway out of that room. Nancy,
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Speaker 6: it was bizarre to see for the first time, but
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Speaker 6: this is really the goodbye. I think he was taking
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Speaker 6: it for some of her family that were not in town.
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Speaker 6: She has a huge family. They mostly primarily live in Utah,
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Speaker 6: but he was there. He then calls the business partner
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Speaker 6: and his wife. They had all done things as couples before,
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Speaker 6: and this was the goodbye when she was coding out
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Speaker 6: at CU Health, and it was there that, to me,
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Speaker 6: the entire Domino started to fall.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of Domino's falling to doctor Ernest Schaioto, not only physician,
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Speaker 2: but attorney, biomedical engineer, toxicologist and author of Toxic Torte,
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Speaker 2: Medical and Legal Elements.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Chayoto, thank you for joining us.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure in your residency and in practicing medicine, you've
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Speaker 2: been in a lot of sick rooms and even death rooms.
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Speaker 2: Do you not find that bizarre that he is taking
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Speaker 2: pictures of his wife as she's coding out, in other words,
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Speaker 2: as hospital personnel are furiously trying to save her life,
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Speaker 2: and he's taking.
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Speaker 1: Pictures entirely unusual. Yes, doctor Hyoto.
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Speaker 2: Have you ever seen someone take photos of their wife
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Speaker 2: while she's they're trying to resuscitate her and bring her
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Speaker 2: back to life, you know, pounding on her chest, using
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Speaker 2: those electrical stimulators on her chest. Everybody's screaming, everybody's rushing
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Speaker 2: into the room, and he's in the corner taking pictures.
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Speaker 2: Have you ever seen that happen, doctor Shaoto?
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Speaker 1: No, I haven't either.
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Speaker 2: I have investigated, prosecuted, and covered. I can't even count
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Speaker 2: the number of deaths and homicides to dotorshevon Scott.
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Speaker 1: I'm right there, as.
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Speaker 2: Stephan Tubbs said, that was when the weirdness was marked
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Speaker 2: and noted when he was taking picture. I don't care
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Speaker 2: what he says. This is to send to her extended family.
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Speaker 2: That's bs technical legal term. What does that mean? I mean,
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Speaker 2: I know something's wrong with it, but I don't know
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Speaker 2: what it is.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a puzzle to me as well, because it
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Speaker 8: seems so out of the normal range of human behavior.
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Speaker 8: None of us can put ourselves in that situation and
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Speaker 8: imagine that we'd be picking up a camera as our
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Speaker 8: loved one was dying.
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Speaker 1: So what in the world was he doing.
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Speaker 8: I don't know that I have a good answer for that,
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Speaker 8: but it's definitely a red flag.
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Speaker 13: Well, why if Angela is fighting for her life in
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Speaker 13: the hospital, her devoted husband is emailing his mistress. James
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Speaker 13: told her something had happened to Angela, and she responded
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Speaker 13: with how sorry she was for him and that she
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Speaker 13: wished she was helping him, not pulling him away. She
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Speaker 13: stated she knew it had to be so hard what
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Speaker 13: he was going through, and that she wanted to be
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Speaker 13: there for him, but did not want to mix with
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Speaker 13: his family and friends and pretend to be only a
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Speaker 13: friend when there was something more.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's.
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Speaker 2: So hard on a mistress when she has to pretend
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Speaker 2: to just be friends in front of his wife. I
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Speaker 2: hate when that happens. Fattest, what do you have to
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Speaker 2: say to that? What about when a jury here's about
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Speaker 2: him while his wife is lying there dying, he's emailing
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Speaker 2: his mistress, his hottie, and she says, I can't take it.
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Speaker 1: I can't stand to.
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Speaker 2: Act like we're just friends when we're so much more.
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Speaker 2: Has everybody lost their minds?
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Speaker 10: On the surface, certainly problematic. It's going to be difficult
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Speaker 10: to neutralize for the defense, you know, I think that
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Speaker 10: they might consider something like, you know, there have been
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Speaker 10: instances where even a person's wife has like given them
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Speaker 10: an organ. You know that there's this is like that,
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Speaker 10: and then there's still infidelity. There are still cheating. Human
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Speaker 10: beings could do underhanded stuff. They do stuff that is
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Speaker 10: surprising that it's hard to understand. And I think that
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Speaker 10: that could be what was going on here, and that
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Speaker 10: could be how the defense posters it to the jursey.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, there's another whole thing there. Hold on
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Speaker 2: just a moment to your doctor, chauven Scott. Many women
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Speaker 2: would tell not me, but many women would tell you,
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Speaker 2: I'd rather my husband just go have sex with somebody
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Speaker 2: than to actually fall in love. I mean, if my
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Speaker 2: husband did either one. Basically it's open marriage, open casket, bam.
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Speaker 1: That says it all. But some women would prefer the husband,
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Speaker 1: if they're going to.
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Speaker 2: Do anything, to just go have sex with somebody wham bam, done,
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Speaker 2: as opposed to to falling in love with someone.
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Speaker 1: Can you explain that odd sentiment?
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Speaker 8: The difference between having that kind of deep attachment with somebody,
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Speaker 8: I guess would be the love. And so yeah, there
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Speaker 8: are even people who have very open marriages where sexual
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Speaker 8: exploits outside of the relationship are absolutely fine, But the
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Speaker 8: idea is that you always have your primary emotional bond
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Speaker 8: with your partner.
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Speaker 7: Colorado mom of six, Angela Craig spends the month of
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Speaker 7: March in and out of hospitals complaining of strange symptoms
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Speaker 7: for which doctors seem to have no answers. Meanwhile, her
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Speaker 7: dentist husband is receiving my sterious packages to his office.
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Speaker 2: You earlier heard podcast The Star of Arsenic Dds Stephan
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Speaker 2: Tubbs refer to Domino's began to fall Well here they go.
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Speaker 1: Listen, Still in the parking lot.
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Speaker 14: After visiting Angela in the hospital, Ryan Redforn gets a
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Speaker 14: call from James Craig, his partner in Summerbrook. As Craig
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Speaker 14: starts to ask Redfern if he had said anything to
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Speaker 14: Angela's nurses, Redford cuts him off, saying he told the
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Speaker 14: nurses about the package Craig received at the office. Craig
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Speaker 14: says the package contained a ring for Angela, but Redfern replies,
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Speaker 14: it's not a ring. We know what's in there.
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Speaker 4: After their phone call, James Craig sends Ryan Redfern a
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Speaker 4: flurry of angry texts accusing him of creating huge problems
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Speaker 4: by getting police involved without talking to him first.
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Speaker 1: Craig tells Redfern.
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Speaker 4: If he really is a friend, he and the remaining
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Speaker 4: office employees will not speak with cops anymore.
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Speaker 2: He's red flag when somebody says, don't talk to the cops.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Another bizarre twist in the case of a Colorado dentist
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Speaker 2: accused of murdering his wife with poison milkshakes, his lawyer
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Speaker 2: sets his own the lawyer house on fire to get
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Speaker 2: out of trying the case of defending him. Robert Working,
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Speaker 2: a partner in l FD Defense along with his wife
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Speaker 2: Lisa Fine Moses, was arrested last weekend after Lee law
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Speaker 2: enforcement find him sitting on the porch of his house
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Speaker 2: as it burned behind him. This is according to the
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Speaker 2: Arapahoe County Sheriff's Office. Now he's not the first workings
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Speaker 2: withdrawal is the third time lawyers have removed themselves as
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Speaker 2: defense attorneys for the dentist arrested after the death of
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Speaker 2: his wife and the mother of his wait for it,
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Speaker 2: six children. He has six children with the woman, and
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Speaker 2: then kills her. Really, prosecutors claimed the dentist started a
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Speaker 2: sex affair again not his first with the Texas orthodontist,
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Speaker 2: and the next thing you know, his wife is dead.
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Speaker 2: But again, this is not the first time a lawyer
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Speaker 2: has gone to extreme measures to get off of a case.
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Speaker 2: Do you remember the name Gregory Moore because I will
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Speaker 2: never forget it. He is accused of brutally murdering a
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Speaker 2: Cleveland nurse in this bizarre plot to avoid taking her
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Speaker 2: case to court. And he's just a divorce lawyer for
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Speaker 2: Pete's sake, much less this guy who is defending a
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Speaker 2: murder case and sitting in front of his house burning down. Now,
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Speaker 2: Gregory Moore, that's a whole other can of worms. The
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Speaker 2: victim in that case, just a beautiful woman, Eliza Sherman,
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Speaker 2: was on her way to discuss the divorce case with
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Speaker 2: her lawyer when she was approached by a hooded figure
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Speaker 2: and stabbed ten times.
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Speaker 1: Again, that wasn't his first. He was accused of calling.
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Speaker 2: In multiple bomb threat to courthouses to get out of
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Speaker 2: trying cases.
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Speaker 1: But back to the case in chief.
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Speaker 2: Attorney Robert Working, a partner at LFM Defense along with
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Speaker 2: his wife.
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Speaker 1: This must be LFM.
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Speaker 2: Lisa Fine Moore arrested last weekend after deputies find him
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Speaker 2: sitting on the porch of his house while it burned
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Speaker 2: to the ground. This, according to the Arapahoe County Sheriff's Office,
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Speaker 2: all because we think he wanted to get off the
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Speaker 2: case of a Colorado dentist accused of murdering his wife.
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Speaker 1: Are the facts that bad in the.
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Speaker 2: Case, he said, The dominoes begin to fall.
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Speaker 1: What about the dental practice partner, Yeah, Ryan Redfern.
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Speaker 6: Some would consider him to be the hero in this
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Speaker 6: because he's the one that after the phone call, and
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Speaker 6: as you just outlined on the program, he tells Jim
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Speaker 6: via the cell phone. He says, Jim stopped talking, get
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Speaker 6: a lawyer to backtrack. We're talking about arsenic that was
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Speaker 6: allegedly purchased online. I mean, the Feuter records at the
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Speaker 6: dental practice were very easy for police investigators. But it
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Speaker 6: was the package of potassium cyanide that was delivered to
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Speaker 6: the actual dentist's office, opened by some you know, employee.
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Speaker 6: She starts to go, what is this potassium cyanide? She
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Speaker 6: literally sees the skull and crossbones on the packaging. She
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Speaker 6: looks it up. She clicks in her mind, wait a minute,
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Speaker 6: this is exactly these are the kinds of symptoms that
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Speaker 6: Angela Craig is experiencing. She then calls Redfern the partner,
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Speaker 6: and that's how the domino start to fall.
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Speaker 1: Hey, joining me.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Ernest Toyoto attorney, physician, biomedical engineer, toxicologist and author
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Speaker 2: of Toxic Torque, Medical and Legal Elements. Doctor Toyoto explain
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Speaker 2: what the symptoms of that particular poison would be.
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Speaker 15: Well, there's a number of different poisons involved, but cyanide
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Speaker 15: you just really have very rare at the loss of
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Speaker 15: blood pressure, loss of consciousness, and very rapid depth arsnic
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Speaker 15: You tend to get peripheral neuropathy, you get burning in
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Speaker 15: the the in your hands and feet. It's more of
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Speaker 15: a slow poison. It's really interesting. Is a tetrahydral zoline,
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Speaker 15: which is interestingly found in eye drops to get the
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Speaker 15: redness out of your eyes. It's a it's a what
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Speaker 15: they call an alpha agonist. It causes constriction of blood
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Speaker 15: vessels and that causes confusion, can cause loss of consciousness, coma,
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Speaker 15: And that sounds a lot more like the symptoms that
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Speaker 15: she was having in the hospital the wife.
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Speaker 2: Guys, we look carefully at the movements and the actions
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Speaker 2: leading up to her last hospitalization and what led up
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Speaker 2: to the previous two hospitalizations.
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Speaker 14: Listen, the husband and wife go for a run or
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Speaker 14: hit the gym together almost every day, and when they
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Speaker 14: return home, James Craig makes protein shakes or fruit smoothies
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Speaker 14: for breakfast while Angela delves into getting the kids ready.
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Speaker 5: For the day.
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Speaker 9: We think he was using to poison Angula over the
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Speaker 9: course of several weeks, actually including it in her protein shapes,
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Speaker 9: even helping her along or trying to reassure her when
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Speaker 9: she was complaining of sickness, dizziness, nauga, he was sort
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Speaker 9: of still encouraging her to drink fluid.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand something, Stephan Tubbs joining me. Isn't
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Speaker 2: it true that on a prior occasion she had gotten
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Speaker 2: stabilized and then he goes out and comes back and
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Speaker 2: brings her food like a doting husband in the hospital,
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Speaker 2: and suddenly she goes into seizures.
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Speaker 6: That's true. Yeah, she was in the hospital. Remember three
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Speaker 6: different times. She was in the hospital, three different times.
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Speaker 6: The affidavit, which reads like a bad Hollywood script, it
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Speaker 6: looks like investigators feel she is consistently being offered the
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Speaker 6: food and in primary fashion, the protein shakes while she's
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Speaker 6: in and keep in mind all of these text messages
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Speaker 6: that are going back and forth. Do you feel like
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Speaker 6: a smoothie? Is there anything I can bring you? And
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Speaker 6: this goes on for the better part of the month
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Speaker 6: of March.
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Speaker 2: Stephan Tubbs are you telling me he would email her
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Speaker 2: or text her in the hospital say can I bring
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Speaker 2: you a smoothie?
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Speaker 6: One thousand percent That is in the affidavit. I've seen
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Speaker 6: the screenshots of the text messages. She's in the hospital
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Speaker 6: three different times. There's text messaging, I mean dozens and
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Speaker 6: dozens of them, if not hundreds of them, going back
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Speaker 6: and forth. Do you feel like something? What do you
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Speaker 6: feel like? Can I bring you anything? And it was
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Speaker 6: usually in the form of a smoothie, And then.
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Speaker 1: The other shoe drops listen.
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Speaker 3: With suspicions raised, Angela Craig is sent for an autopsy.
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Speaker 3: The additional toxicology screening test revealed the otherwise healthy mom
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Speaker 3: of six died of poisoning from both sinide and tetrahydrozolene,
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Speaker 3: a common ingredient in eye drops. While investigators have no
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Speaker 3: definitive evidence Angela's food and drinks were poisoned with cyanide.
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Speaker 3: The test reveal her sinide levels increased while she was
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Speaker 3: in the hospital.
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Speaker 2: Stephan Tubbs, her levels increased while she's in the hospital.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that was probably the biggest shocker in
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Speaker 6: a shocking story in the Denver metro area that we
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Speaker 6: got wored and read the autopsy. Her levels of cyanide
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Speaker 6: increased while she's.
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Speaker 5: In the hospital.
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Speaker 6: I mean to me, it was and remains unprecedented. I've
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Speaker 6: never heard a story like that. And doctors didn't know
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Speaker 6: again what they were looking for, right, And it was
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Speaker 6: just when the domino started to fall and people started
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Speaker 6: to talk the business partner that they started to look into.
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Speaker 6: Wait a minute, these are the signs of poisoning. And
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Speaker 6: certainly we know what the auto but I.
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Speaker 2: Mean to me, Stephan, it would all blow up when
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Speaker 2: the dental assistant opens up a package and it's cyanide.
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Speaker 6: Oh remember though, Nancy, it was supposed to be a
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Speaker 6: ring for Angela. I mean, the Kakamami stories just were
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Speaker 6: over and over.
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Speaker 1: Where do you get cyanide?
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Speaker 2: Stephan? You can just order it up on Amazon. I mean,
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Speaker 2: where do you get cyanide?
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Speaker 6: So one of the two there were purchase orders for
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Speaker 6: Amazon dot com, which was amazing. I can't believe it
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Speaker 6: was either cyanide or the potassium show.
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Speaker 1: That was a joke. Are you serious? You can get
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Speaker 1: cyanide on Amazon?
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Speaker 6: There you go right there on your screen. Yeah, I'm
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Speaker 6: going to buy this on Amazon. First of all, somebody
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Speaker 6: bezos arsenic? Yeah arsenic?
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Speaker 5: But you yeah? And then look at this.
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Speaker 2: Podcast left inside residence's mailbox. So I guess he thought
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Speaker 2: he was being super smart by having it delivered to
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Speaker 2: the dentist office so his wife wouldn't find arsenic. Right,
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Speaker 2: don't open this, Okay, So what happens Stephan when the
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Speaker 2: dental assistant opens up a box and it's arsenic?
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Speaker 6: I think her eyes abow bugged out of her head,
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Speaker 6: is what happened. She sees this package, she opens it up.
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Speaker 6: Another office assistant came in and said, you weren't supposed
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Speaker 6: to open that. Well, cats out of the bag. She
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Speaker 6: sees the skull and crossbones, and then she again puts
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Speaker 6: the pieces together. Wait a minute, potassium cyanide. She calls
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Speaker 6: doctor Redfern, the partner of Jim Craig and says, uh,
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Speaker 6: you got a package here, and then that's where you
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Speaker 6: fast forward, you know. Redfern confronts Jim Craig and says,
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Speaker 6: why are you buying potassium cyanide for the dental practice?
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Speaker 6: And of course the lie was, oh, that's really it's
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Speaker 6: a gift. It was it was a ring for Angela.
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Speaker 6: Well there was no ring inside.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Earnest Schioto joining us, a renowned physician and lawyer
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Speaker 2: and author. Doctor Chioto she couldn't taste something odd in
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Speaker 2: her protein shakes. I mean, what does arsenic or cyanide taste.
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Speaker 15: Arsenake is going to taste sort of have a garlet
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Speaker 15: sort of taste, whereas cyanide really wouldn't. Sometimes it is
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Speaker 15: an order of bitter almonds. So whether or not she
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Speaker 15: could taste the arsenake or cyanide would really be a
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Speaker 15: matter of how much was in the shape. This small
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Speaker 15: amount you may not taste it.
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Speaker 9: He clearly thought he was more intelligent than he was.
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Speaker 9: He was using a different computer in his dentist practice,
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Speaker 9: the one that he owned, and then he had this
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Speaker 9: alternate email address. I think it was something along the
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Speaker 9: lenes of Jim and Waffles at gmail dot com.
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Speaker 16: At gmail or at aol or at hotmail dot com.
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Speaker 16: I don't recall which you exactly, but hardly a criminal mastermind.
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Speaker 16: He was actually in two million dollars of personal debt,
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Speaker 16: and it was because he made some really terrible investments
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Speaker 16: in some dodgy cryptocurrency turned out to be worth absolutely nothing.
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Speaker 16: He gambled the family part with these really risky investment choices.
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Speaker 9: And then by the time we came to find out
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Speaker 9: about him, he.
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Speaker 1: Was really up to his neck.
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Speaker 9: He filed for personal bankruptcy, he foiled it for professional bankruptcy.
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Speaker 2: Oh my stars. Eric fattis renowned attorney. Don't you just
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Speaker 2: hate it when your mastermind client just uses a fake
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Speaker 2: email to find out all about Cyanide and order arsenic
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Speaker 2: from Amazon.
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Speaker 1: That really worked.
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Speaker 5: Well, Nancy.
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Speaker 10: You know that there is a potential alternsive explanation as
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Speaker 10: to why I was doing that. As we've talked about,
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Speaker 10: his marriage of twenty three years was on the rocks.
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Speaker 10: He had filed for bankruptcy twice, He had a history
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Speaker 10: of depression. Sinide can be used to hurt others, but
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Speaker 10: I can also be used to hurt oneself, and that's
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Speaker 10: something that one might not want to broadcast to other
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Speaker 10: people and might use surreptitious means to try to procure,
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Speaker 10: which it sounds like you do.
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Speaker 2: You know, Eric, you know something you've got to tell
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Speaker 2: and I better better inform you about it before you
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Speaker 2: go to Vegas. The crazier your arguments get, the faster
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Speaker 2: you talk. And I love that about you. And I'm
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Speaker 2: telling you because I really don't think you can stop yourself.
34:23
Speaker 2: But that said, so you're suggesting now, you're just spinning
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Speaker 2: it out right, like you're throwing a frisbee. You're just
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Speaker 2: throwing it at me that he really ordered the cyanide
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Speaker 2: and the arsenic for himself, right.
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Speaker 1: You're equally consistent with that? Well, what about this?
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Speaker 2: Have you ever had a client try to suborn perjury?
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Speaker 1: Kind of a deal? Dancers for perjury? Listen?
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Speaker 17: According to prosecutors, this isn't the first time James Craig
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Speaker 17: has tried to recruit fake witnesses. James Craig gets friendly
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Speaker 17: with several inmates at the Arapa Ho Detention Center and
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Speaker 17: learns William Billy Walden's mother hates her dentures but can't
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Speaker 17: afford implants. Craig asks Walden to let him talk to
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Speaker 17: his mom the next time he gives her a call.
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Speaker 17: Over the phone, Craig tells Rebecca Walden he'll give her
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Speaker 17: a brand new set of teeth when he gets out,
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Speaker 17: saying he's certain to get off because he didn't kill
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Speaker 17: his wife. Craig gets Walden's address and tells her he'll
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Speaker 17: give her more details in a letter.
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Speaker 1: So Faddest Dancers for Perjury.
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Speaker 10: Thoughts not the best deal, certainly a bad look. But
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Speaker 10: on the other hand, defense is going to say, hey,
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Speaker 10: look he was He's been in jail for a long time.
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Speaker 10: He's been adamant about his innocence. He's getting desperate. He
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Speaker 10: needs to do something to try to change things. And
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Speaker 10: this is the sort of hair brain scheme.
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Speaker 5: He came up with. It's problematic, but doesn't mean he
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Speaker 5: committed murder.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I had a funny feeling you would say that
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Speaker 2: about the dentures for perjury scheme? Well, what about hatties
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Speaker 2: for dentures Hatties ato t t I E S Listen Fattest.
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Speaker 14: In early twenty twenty four, a letter from Craig to
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Speaker 14: Rebecca Walden inmate William Walden's mother was returned to the
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Speaker 14: Rapahoe Detention Center as undeliverable. The letter contains an offer
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Speaker 14: to provide Rebecca Walden with free dental implants if she
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Speaker 14: recruits several young, attractive women to pose as Craig's affair partners.
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Speaker 14: Craig instructs Walden to have the women tell authorities that
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Speaker 14: Angela confronted them about Craig's affairs, then recruited them to
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Speaker 14: help her frame Craig for her murder.
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Speaker 2: Okay, what happens, Stephan Tubbs? Where do the hotties enter
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Speaker 2: the scene in.
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Speaker 6: A desperate plea to get out of the Arapaho County jail.
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Speaker 6: I mean, at this point, there's no death penalty in Colorado.
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Speaker 5: He has nothing to lose. He's been accused of trying
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Speaker 5: a solicitation for murder of the lead detective in this
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's not just the hotties or the free
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Speaker 5: teeth or whatever.
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Speaker 6: Jim Craig is trying any way that he can, at
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Speaker 6: least according to those of us following the case closely
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Speaker 6: watching him do whatever he can to possibly grasp at
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Speaker 6: straws to convince one juror once this thing finally.
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Speaker 5: Starts to create that doubt.
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Speaker 6: But It's been crazy. The hits just keep on coming.
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Speaker 6: I literally less than two weeks ago had a guy
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Speaker 6: reach out to me. Don't know him from anybody, he says, Hey,
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Speaker 6: I was serving in the Appaho County detention facility with
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Speaker 6: Craig until last October.
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Speaker 5: You won't believe what he told me. He even gave
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Speaker 5: me a letter. It's crazy and it continues.
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Speaker 3: In the letters to Constantiniis, Craig offers a blank check
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Speaker 3: in exchange for spoofed texts, phone records, and doctored photographs
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Speaker 3: that can help convince authorities. Constantinidis knew Angela in life
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Speaker 3: and that the mom of six was suicidal after learning
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Speaker 3: of his latest affair. Craig details some of his previous
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Speaker 3: affairs in the letter, admitting he first cheated on Angela
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Speaker 3: with a patient in two thousand and nine, and provides
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Speaker 3: personal information about his children in an attempt to make
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Speaker 3: their lives seem credible.
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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, an Aurora, Colorado, Dennist's lawyer
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Speaker 2: withdraws from the case after his arson arrest. Also, we've
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Speaker 2: learned that Craig's initial November twenty twenty fourth trial was
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Speaker 2: thrown off the rails when his then attorney cited new
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Speaker 2: information from discovery that compelled him to step down. Gee
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Speaker 2: like what he did it now, Workings withdrawal after the
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Speaker 2: arson marks another example of a lawyer leaving Craig's defense
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Speaker 2: team just as it's about to go to trial.
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Speaker 1: Craig has a.
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Speaker 2: Slew of charges against him in addition to murder, soliciting,
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Speaker 2: tampering with evidence, perjury, another case, another charge of soliciting murder,
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Speaker 2: attempting to arrange multiple murders from behind bars. Now, in
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Speaker 2: another bizarre twist, after the lawyer Working's arrest, his wife,
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Speaker 2: Lisa Moses, who is co counsel for Craig, remains on
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Speaker 2: the case. She's there still with attorney Ashley with them
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Speaker 2: and they will represent Craig moving into the trial. Now,
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Speaker 2: all the documents related to the arson had been sealed
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Speaker 2: for some reason, claiming it is connected to the murder
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Speaker 2: trial in some way. There's no doubt, according to reports,
39:41
Speaker 2: that it was an arson because fire crews found evidence
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Speaker 2: of an incendiary accelerant that means gas or tiling or
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Speaker 2: some flammable liquid, and that raises questions about exactly what went.
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Speaker 1: On that night. That's said I'm going to go.
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Speaker 2: Back to Eric Faddis, veteran trial lawyer defense attorney. In
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Speaker 2: all seriousness, I've been pulling your leg a little bit
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Speaker 2: with the fantastical nature of some of the facts we're learning.
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Speaker 2: But we have a mother of six dead, not just dead,
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Speaker 2: but suffering for months from sinaide and artistic poisoning before
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Speaker 2: she died.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you say it's not the husband. I say it is.
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Speaker 2: He's still innocent. He has not been proven guilty in
40:30
Speaker 2: a court of law. But let's just take a look
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Speaker 2: at what we're hearing right now. Not only did he
40:36
Speaker 2: try to arrange quote Hattie's attractive women to claim they
40:42
Speaker 2: were his sex partners to tell authorities his dead wife
40:47
Speaker 2: confronted him about his affairs and that she was going
40:51
Speaker 2: to commit suicide. So your suicide fantasy is actually hatching
40:59
Speaker 2: and the defendant's mind. All right, So he's taking your queue.
41:05
Speaker 2: But he's soliciting suborning, for lack of a better word,
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Speaker 2: perjury by Hatties to say his dead wife confronted them.
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Speaker 2: Not only that he has a dancers for perjury scheme
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Speaker 2: with somebody else. Now we're learning, according to Stephan Tubbs,
41:25
Speaker 2: we're learning he tried to order a hit on a detective.
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Speaker 2: Have a detective murdered?
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Speaker 1: What about it?
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Speaker 10: You know, I think what he'll say is that a
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Speaker 10: person who feels that they are innocent, they are being railroaded,
41:42
Speaker 10: They have been in jail for a long period of time,
41:44
Speaker 10: months and months, that they don't feel like they have
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Speaker 10: a way to get out, They're going to resort to
41:48
Speaker 10: desperate acts. And perhaps in his mind he thought that, hey,
41:51
Speaker 10: if I eliminate the head hon show in this investigation,
41:55
Speaker 10: perhaps the investigation falls apart of certainly not lawful, certainly
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Speaker 10: not okay, but but but also not the same thing
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Speaker 10: as proving him guilty of murdering his What.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Earnest Chaoto joining US renowned physician and author not
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Speaker 2: a Saoto, what does a victim experience as they die
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Speaker 2: from cyanide or arsenic poisoning?
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Speaker 15: Well, if it's they're they're going to be different. Arsenic
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Speaker 15: is going to be sort of a slow, agonizing gap,
42:28
Speaker 15: or as cyanide is going to be very rapid. You know,
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Speaker 15: you're you're really going to end up with sufficient cyanide,
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Speaker 15: You're going to end up dying with the moments. So
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Speaker 15: they're really two different types of gap due to two
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Speaker 15: very different.
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Speaker 2: Toxic pheil waters joining us form a homicide detective Houston, PD,
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Speaker 2: President of Kindred Spirits Investigations dot com. You know, you
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Speaker 2: and I have handled a lot of murders, a lot
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Speaker 2: of homicides, be they involuntary, voluntary, or mouse murder.
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Speaker 1: It takes a special kind of mind, would.
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Speaker 2: You agree, Phil? This is not getting angry and pulling
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Speaker 2: a gun and shooting. This is months and months of planning,
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Speaker 2: of scheming, of Google searches, and lovingly feeding your wife
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Speaker 2: protein shakes laced with poison and then watching her suffer.
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Speaker 5: Phil, well, exactly, you know this is a This is
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Speaker 5: an evil act on this guy's part.
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Speaker 12: I won't even recognize him by saying his name, and
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Speaker 12: we see this.
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Speaker 5: This is a he is obsessed with killing his wife,
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Speaker 5: murdering his wife, the mother of his six children. And
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Speaker 5: this is something that for as you put it, for months,
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Speaker 5: has been thinking about this every minute of every day.
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Speaker 5: And so when he's going into these.
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Speaker 12: Search engines and trying to figure out what kind of
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Speaker 12: poison is the best one he's and that kind of thing.
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Speaker 12: I'll tell you what, It's just I hope he's a
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Speaker 12: better dentist than he was a murderer, because what he
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Speaker 12: did is idiotic in terms of trying to accomplish the task,
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Speaker 12: which is murder his wife and try to have some
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Speaker 12: sort of a story that's going to take the suspicion
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Speaker 12: away from you. Everything he did in the process here
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Speaker 12: pointed to him. So when we get in these investigations,
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Speaker 12: we always look for affirmative links. We let the evidence
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Speaker 12: take us where we need to be, and it's always
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Speaker 12: a journey for the truth. In this particular, I listened
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Speaker 12: to the defense with all due to respect. These episodes
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Speaker 12: of isolation that we're talking about, where you know, he's
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Speaker 12: cheat and that didn't make him a murder and.
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Speaker 5: So forth and so on.
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Speaker 12: This has to be looked at in a timeline of events.
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Speaker 12: If we can determine when this started, and then of
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Speaker 12: course we know where it ended and what were the
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Speaker 12: events that occurred in between that got us to that point.
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Speaker 12: You know, this taking pictures and so forth of the
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Speaker 12: of his wife in the hospital when she's dying. You know,
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Speaker 12: when I was listening to that discussion, I'm more prone
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Speaker 12: to believe that he was going to use those pictures
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Speaker 12: to gain some sympathy.
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Speaker 5: From the woman that he was wanting to squire around.
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Speaker 12: So you know, he had a purpose for all the
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Speaker 12: things that he did, and it was just it was
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Speaker 12: just kind of stupid.
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Speaker 5: Is as stupid does.
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Speaker 12: It just continued to get more idiotic as he went
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Speaker 12: through this process, thinking that what people are going to
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Speaker 12: believe this story that he's come up.
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Speaker 2: With, And and you know another thing, feel as you
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Speaker 2: and I you as a homicide detective, me as a
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Speaker 2: felony prosecutor, we would go about our business every day
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Speaker 2: not thinking that an inmate behind bars is trying to
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Speaker 2: have us killed, have us killed to thwart the investigation.
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Speaker 2: I bet you never thought about that while you were detecting.
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Speaker 5: No, when I.
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Speaker 12: Worked in narcotics, I did have a contract put out
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Speaker 12: on me, so I'm a little familiar with it.
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Speaker 2: But we all, for Pete's sake, we've all gotten death rests.
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Speaker 1: The first one I had was faxed over from the
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Speaker 1: Fulton County Jail. Didn't take too much to figure that
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Speaker 1: one out.
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Speaker 2: But Roance, Yes, Yes, the level of arrogance to think
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Speaker 2: he can get away with everything and fix it all
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Speaker 2: by doing a dentures for perjury scheme and having the
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Speaker 2: lead detective murdered. This woman is dead and probably her
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Speaker 2: last thoughts were, Who's going to take care of my children?
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Speaker 2: This murder trial is going forward, come hell or high water.
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Speaker 2: We wait as justice unfolds. Now, when I said Friday
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Speaker 2: Night special, see this was special.
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Speaker 1: You believe me. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye,