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Why D.C. Can't Ignore Elon Musk - Tevi Troy #6247 · Financial Survival Network

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Speaker 1: We have had these outside people who've advised before. Obviously
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Speaker 1: Doge is new. We've never had somebody who's a multi
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Speaker 1: hundred billionaire before, so there are new aspects to it,
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Speaker 1: but there definitely echoes if you look back at the history.
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Speaker 3: Ever, and welcome you are listening to and watching the
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Speaker 3: Financial Survival Network. Hey, we're just about it. The end
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Speaker 3: of February, really interesting book author came across my desk,
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Speaker 3: The Power and the Money. If that sounds familiar, then
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Speaker 3: you should listen on. His name is Tevy, Troy Tevy.
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Speaker 3: It's your fourth book, I believe, probably more actually fifth,
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Speaker 3: all right, so you are officially an author, yeah, can't
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Speaker 3: hide it. So the epic clashes between Commanders in chief
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Speaker 3: and titans of industry so brings us full skirk full
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Speaker 3: circle to now Trump and Musk Doge. So far they've
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Speaker 3: been on the same page. You know, we've never really
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Speaker 3: seen a titan of industry this tightly entwined in an
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Speaker 3: administration to the point where you'd almost call them like
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Speaker 3: a part of the kitchen cabinet, Trump's kitchen cabinet. Uh,
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Speaker 3: what are your take? What's your take on it?
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Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting that the term kitchen cabinet goes way
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Speaker 1: back and also, you know, includes a lot of people
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Speaker 1: who were major businessman industrialists. Reagan had his kitchen cabinet,
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Speaker 1: So we have had outside business advisors before. We've also
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Speaker 1: had types of industry, as I talk about in my
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Speaker 1: book and the Power of the Money, who are really
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Speaker 1: who go all in with the presidency. I talk about
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Speaker 1: Henry Luce, who is the founder, editor and publisher of
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Speaker 1: Time magazine. He went all in for Eisenhower in nineteen
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Speaker 1: fifty two, provided staff for Eisenhower Musk provides the twenty
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Speaker 1: somethings with backpacks. He used his platform to advance Eisenhower
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Speaker 1: Musk uses x. He even had his wife become ambassadored
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Speaker 1: to Italy in the Loose administration. In the Eisenhower administration,
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Speaker 1: so we have had these outside people who've advised before. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: doge is KNW. We've never had somebody who's a multi
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Speaker 1: hundred billionaire before, so there are new aspects to it,
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Speaker 1: but there are definitely echoes if you look back at
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Speaker 1: the history.
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Speaker 3: Yeah so, but this one's a little different because Musk
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Speaker 3: is there on an operational level. Right. Usually these are
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Speaker 3: advisors and they do supply some support, maybe some logistics,
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Speaker 3: some propaganda, right, But this one's really different. It's like
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Speaker 3: like Musk was wearing a shirt the other day at
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Speaker 3: a meeting and then said tech support. And basically, the
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Speaker 3: government's loaded with zillions of computer systems. None of them
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Speaker 3: work right, none of them talk to each other. Their
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Speaker 3: software is breaking down left and right. It's written in
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Speaker 3: the equivalent of aramaic Cobyl. You know. That's the equivalent
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Speaker 3: that nobody speaks anymore Cobyl. You know. The joke is
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Speaker 3: when a Cobyl programmer who's active with the government checks
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Speaker 3: into a hospital, he doesn't just get standard treatment. He
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Speaker 3: gets an entire team because they got to keep this
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Speaker 3: guy alive, even if it's on life support. So the
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Speaker 3: level of his involvement with the current administration is unparalleled
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Speaker 3: in history, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: He definitely is very closely involved, and there's they seem
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Speaker 1: to be doing a lot and kind of breaking some
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Speaker 1: along the way. So yeah, I mean, again, I'm a historian.
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Speaker 1: When people say something's unprecedented, I like to look for precedents.
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Speaker 1: But the Doge thing and Musk is something new that
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Speaker 1: I've not seen before in this way.
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Speaker 3: And you know so, is that the definition of fascism
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Speaker 3: the marriage of industry and government into one happy package?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know about that. I mean, having a
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Speaker 1: business advisor doesn't make it fascist. I mean, you know
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Speaker 1: how much more uncomfortable Let's say the FDR administration, which
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Speaker 1: used heavy handed tactics to get business to do what
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Speaker 1: it would wanted, and if you asked me, I was
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Speaker 1: closer to fascism than what we have today. So I'm
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Speaker 1: not comfortable with that term in this context.
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Speaker 3: Good good, Well, me neither. But it is an argument
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Speaker 3: that you do have to take seriously because what regardless
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Speaker 3: what your views of the proper function of government is.
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Speaker 3: You know, these corporations wield unheralded power. I mean a Google,
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Speaker 3: an Apple, even Tesla have more power than their modern predecessors.
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Speaker 3: And how you see the news, how you absorb it,
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Speaker 3: how you ingest information. These companies Facebook, they all have
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Speaker 3: unherlded power, and you don't want them coming together in
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Speaker 3: some unheralded triumvirate with government, although arguably they did in
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Speaker 3: the past administration.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, look in two thousand and eight of
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Speaker 1: twenty twelve, the tech companies got together to help get
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Speaker 1: Obama elected. You had all these Facebook staffers embedded on
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Speaker 1: the Obama campaign. Some of them went into the Obama administration.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean this stuff has happened before. You've
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Speaker 1: definitely had business leaders who've gone got backed presidential administrations.
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Speaker 3: They provided vice.
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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, the president's the decision
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Speaker 1: maker if he's not comfortable with someone. So for example,
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Speaker 1: Hugh Johnson was a general who was brought in to
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Speaker 1: run that National Recovery Administration under Roosevelt, the guy who
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Speaker 1: acted in those fascistic ways I talked about, And in
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Speaker 1: nineteen thirty three he was on the cover of Time
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Speaker 1: magazine as a Man of the Year. He was gone
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Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty four. So the president gets to make
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Speaker 1: these choices. Hey, and we could go back to who
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Speaker 1: was it McNamara, Yeah, macmari are a huge corporate CEO.
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Speaker 1: You know from the auto industry, comes and starts works
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Speaker 1: at the Pentagon and tries to run the Vietnam War
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Speaker 1: not very well. So yeah, the stuff is happening before you.
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Speaker 1: In my book in the Power of the Money, I
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Speaker 1: talk about Jack Welch who knew ten different presidents. So
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Speaker 1: one of the interesting things about Power of the Money
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Speaker 1: is these are all CEOs who dealt with multiple presidents.
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Speaker 1: Jack Welts knew ten different presidents, and many of them
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Speaker 1: asked him to join his administration and join their administrations,
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Speaker 1: have him come into the cabinet sectory, and he always
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Speaker 1: said no, because he knew, first of all, if you're
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Speaker 1: a cabinet secretory, you're subordinate to the president. The president's
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Speaker 1: always above you, and the CEOs are used to be
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Speaker 1: on top. And then the second thing is his method
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Speaker 1: was he would hire, he would fire the lowest performing
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Speaker 1: workers at GE every year. You can't easilly do that
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Speaker 1: in the federal government. I'm just thinking, that's kind of
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Speaker 1: what we're going through now. I mean, I call this
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Speaker 1: life imitating office space.
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Speaker 3: Where what have you done? What do you do here?
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Speaker 3: You know? And that's that's a legitimate question, especially in
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Speaker 3: the government. It should be asked repeatedly because these agencies,
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Speaker 3: these commissions, they've hung on, bureaus whatever, hung on for decades,
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Speaker 3: long since outliving their mission.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like, I totally agree with that. But it's not
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Speaker 1: clear that whatever firings are happening are actually going to
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Speaker 1: be permanent. There's some people resign, and you know, if
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Speaker 1: you resign, then you know that that's that. But a
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Speaker 1: lot of these firings going to be tested in court.
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Speaker 1: A lot of these people have some civil service protections.
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Speaker 1: So it's just not clear to me that the two
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Speaker 1: plus million person federal workforce is going to be significant
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Speaker 1: smaller if we talk a year from now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, the other thing is the moral aspect of
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Speaker 3: or the emotional warfare that it's a big sy op
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Speaker 3: on these people, you know, and how many of them
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Speaker 3: can take it and finally just throw up their arms
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Speaker 3: and leave, And those might not be the people that
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Speaker 3: you really want to get rid of in the first place. Right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, I'm sorry if it's offensive to people, are
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Speaker 1: hurtful to people to be asked what they do, but
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Speaker 1: you got to do that in the private sector all
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Speaker 1: the time. I mean, if you're in the private secretory
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Speaker 1: and these quarterly reports where you ask what your goals
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Speaker 1: were and whether you accomplish them and whether you're doing
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Speaker 1: well or not. I mean when I've had jobs like that,
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Speaker 1: I hate filling them out, but you know, it's part
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Speaker 1: of the job.
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Speaker 3: You get paid. It's called work.
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Speaker 1: Because they pay you to do something that you wouldn't
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Speaker 1: do ordinarily. That's why it's work. And so that's why
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Speaker 1: I will be if you actually love what you're doing
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Speaker 1: and you do it if you weren't paid. That's a passion,
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Speaker 1: but could also well, that's why I do what I do.
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Speaker 1: That's why I write my books and I you know,
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Speaker 1: I do give the lectures do you think tank stuff?
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Speaker 1: I do leadership training based on my knowledge of the presidency.
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Speaker 1: So I do things that I like to do because
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Speaker 1: I don't like having a boss tell me what to do.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I should remind people mind you out there.
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Speaker 3: The book is The Power and the Money, the epic
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Speaker 3: clashes between Commanders in Chief and titans of industry, and
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Speaker 3: it was it's gotten all sorts of awards and alkaloids.
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Speaker 3: It was came out in the summer, but it's probably
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Speaker 3: more applicable now than ever with the current administration. So,
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Speaker 3: getting back to what you said there, Tevy like accountability,
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Speaker 3: it's not so bad. I always my concept for trimming
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Speaker 3: the federal workforce was this. You wait for a day
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Speaker 3: when it snows in d See, and you know, DC
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Speaker 3: gets an inch of snow, it's shut down instantaneously, and
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Speaker 3: then they put out the call for only essential workers
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Speaker 3: to come to the office. And then once all that
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Speaker 3: you find out who all those essential workers are, you
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Speaker 3: fire all the other ones because if they're not essential,
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Speaker 3: what do you need them for? Right?
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Speaker 1: The good point I've always wondered about that. You know,
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Speaker 1: if these people are essential, what about everybody else? If
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Speaker 1: they're non essential, why am I paying my tax dollars
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Speaker 1: to support them? It's a great question.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's how we get rid of non essential workers. Right.
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Speaker 3: And even if you weren't essential, but you made it
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Speaker 3: to the office with an inch of snow in DC,
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Speaker 3: you deserve to keep your job.
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Speaker 1: It definitely shows a willingness to overcome challenges.
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Speaker 3: Hey, So you know, part of the way organizations change
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Speaker 3: over time or dramatically over time is by breaking the paradigm,
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Speaker 3: by by really changing the way you think about work,
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Speaker 3: about what the government's purpose is, so we've been in
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Speaker 3: this eighty year kind of spiral. Actually, it's believe it
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Speaker 3: or not, it's ninety years now since the New Deal
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Speaker 3: nineteen thirty four, right, and we're starting to like really
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Speaker 3: redefine government. What is its purpose? Do you create a
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Speaker 3: new agency for every new problem, or do you let
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Speaker 3: the market work its way out or do you find
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Speaker 3: other ways to deal with it?
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean you remember Tim Polenti, he
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Speaker 1: ran for president briefly back in twenty twelve. He had
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Speaker 1: this thing called the Google test. He said, before we
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Speaker 1: come up with a government doing some new thing, why
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Speaker 1: don't we google it and see if somebody's already doing
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Speaker 1: it in the private sector, and if they are, don't
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Speaker 1: create a new government entity to do it, because it's
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Speaker 1: already being done.
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Speaker 3: And now with AI, we could just ask it for
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Speaker 3: this solution and it would probably figure out better than
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Speaker 3: any bureaucrat in the Ivory Tower. Right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I mean, we've got over one hundred transfer
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Speaker 1: program that transfer billions of dollars from one group to another.
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Speaker 1: Do we really need one hundred You know, maybe we
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Speaker 1: have some kind of guaranteed annual income and negative incompacts
12:10
Speaker 1: or something we say, okay, we're just going to give
12:12
Speaker 1: you a check. You get a certain level of money,
12:14
Speaker 1: but you don't have to have one hundred different programs,
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Speaker 1: all administered by bureaucrats, all who take a cut. All
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Speaker 1: of these are inefficient, a lot of them have a
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Speaker 1: problematic incentives. So yeah, I mean there is just too
12:25
Speaker 1: much of this in the federal government and we do
12:26
Speaker 1: need to pare it down.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the concept of that, and really, how
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Speaker 3: many we don't you know that? Also the idea of
12:35
Speaker 3: that email with the five things, what five things you
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Speaker 3: did last week? It's also like do you exist? Right?
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Speaker 3: They must called it a pulse check? Right, do you exist?
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Speaker 3: Do you come into the office or are you a
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Speaker 3: fictitional a fictitious person or a dead person? And we
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Speaker 3: just keep doing the transfers into your account. The Department of.
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Speaker 1: Labor, there was this one division where where and they
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Speaker 1: were the ones that were supposed to be the watchdogs
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Speaker 1: over the labor unions. They would just go to the
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Speaker 1: bar every afternoon. You can find these guys drinking away.
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Speaker 1: You're starting at noon. Because they weren't gonna watchdog over
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Speaker 1: the lee unions. They didn't have any interest in doing that.
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Speaker 3: So it's probably better that those guys do work from
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Speaker 3: home because then when they get drunk, they won't be
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Speaker 3: driving and presenting a hazard to the entire you know,
13:27
Speaker 3: driving public. Right, this is back in the days when
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Speaker 3: people actually showed up. Yeah, well, you know, Woody Allen's
13:34
Speaker 3: old saying's got to be updated now because he used
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Speaker 3: to say eighty percent of life is showing up, but
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Speaker 3: now it's maybe eighty percent of life is showing up
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Speaker 3: on a zoom call.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, what are they doing on the zoom calls?
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Speaker 1: I mean, you saw Jamie Diamond's leaked transcript about how
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Speaker 1: he's ripping on people going on zooms and how they
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Speaker 1: roll their eyes and making net Snyde comments. But they're
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Speaker 1: actually doing work. So yeah, Zoom is not a real substitute,
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Speaker 1: even though I'm enjoying this interview on zoom and we
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Speaker 1: got to let on it otherwise in the olden Dave
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Speaker 1: for what.
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Speaker 3: We do is quote unquote content creators. Right, it's a
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Speaker 3: boom for us, believe, But the zoom is the product there,
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Speaker 3: the zoom call is the product. But you know, I
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Speaker 3: do see uses for it. There's a lot of companies
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Speaker 3: that's expanded their capabilities because they're global and these people
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Speaker 3: would never see each other except that company get togethers
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Speaker 3: if then so, yeah, technology is great, but technology in
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Speaker 3: itself is not the solution. It's only a tool as
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Speaker 3: part of a solution, which always has to be human
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Speaker 3: induced AI. So this is the biggest trend now, in
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Speaker 3: my opinion, in the world if you haven't used it,
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Speaker 3: which supposedly eighty five percent of the population has not
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Speaker 3: even checked out chat, GPT or Gemini or any of
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Speaker 3: the others out there. From your standpoint to as the
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Speaker 3: way the government functions, the where society functions, what's your
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Speaker 3: take on it, I.
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Speaker 1: Think it has an amazing possibility to mean, you, look,
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Speaker 1: this is the FDA, for example, we are on the
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Speaker 1: cusp of some kind of biomedical revolution. We've got all
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Speaker 1: these advances, and what's the number one thing slowing it
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Speaker 1: down is the FDA review process. And I always say,
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Speaker 1: we don't enough people, we don't enough time, we can't
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Speaker 1: review all the documents. Well why do you have AI
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Speaker 1: review the documents? And they could look for the anomalies
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Speaker 1: that better than a human can, They can find if
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Speaker 1: there are potential adverse risks in a new product, and
15:38
Speaker 1: they look at all the submissions, which you know, sometimes
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Speaker 1: these documents are the hundreds of thousands of pages. They
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Speaker 1: can look through it in the blink of an eye
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Speaker 1: and maybe we can move the whole FDA approval process faster.
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Speaker 1: So I think I see tons of possibilities for AI.
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Speaker 3: And not to mention what's happening with DOGE, the ability
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Speaker 3: to scan through every single line item in the US
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Speaker 3: budget and come up with the waste inefficiency or.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, look look at AID. What's with them in these
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Speaker 1: transgender comic books and they you know, the DEI operas.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't understand why does it help us
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Speaker 1: if we go to a country and try and force
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Speaker 1: DEI down the throats of this other country. They're just
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Speaker 1: going to They're gonna like us left, They're not going
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Speaker 1: to appreciate it. I get it. If USAID is all
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Speaker 1: about providing food and medicine, that's great, but that's not
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Speaker 1: what they're doing. They're providing this kind of ideological indoctrination
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Speaker 1: that you that we get on our college campuses. I
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Speaker 1: don't want on on college campuses, and I don't want
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Speaker 1: it when we're giving it to Mozambique either, yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, I was trying to get tickets on ticket Master
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Speaker 3: to the to the trans opera in Slovenia, but I couldn't.
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Speaker 3: They were all sold out.
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Speaker 1: So you think the Slovenians really want to see a
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Speaker 1: trans opera? Do you think it makes them feel better
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Speaker 1: about the United States of America or worse?
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Speaker 3: This is like cultural rot sickness, and and it's an
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Speaker 3: attack on these other cultures which are more conservative than ours,
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Speaker 3: and they don't appreciate it. And like you say, they
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Speaker 3: hate us even more for meddling and indoctrinating.
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Speaker 1: So I'd beware of saying concerted cultures that are more
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Speaker 1: conservative than ours, because you know, we're pretty conservative here
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Speaker 1: in the try household, and I'm sure in your household
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Speaker 1: as well. So oh yeah, yeah, but let's not say that,
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Speaker 1: you know, the radicals own the culture.
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Speaker 3: Right, but we accept a lot more than what our
17:26
Speaker 3: parents or our grandparents would have, you know what they.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, perhaps you're a detriment.
17:32
Speaker 3: That could well be the case, but whatever, it's all
17:35
Speaker 3: been normalized to some extent, at least our acceptance of
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Speaker 3: it in others. Maybe not in our household, but yeah,
17:44
Speaker 3: it's it's been an incredible eye opener like you and
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Speaker 3: I Like you worked in the government. You knew the waste,
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Speaker 3: the corruption, the fraud, it was all there. You knew it,
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Speaker 3: but you didn't know the specifics of it. Knew it
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Speaker 3: from a macro level. Now you're getting to find out
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Speaker 3: what it is from a micro level, and it is shocking.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I gotta say, I'm a little embarrassed about this.
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Speaker 1: But when I worked in the government, I would see
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Speaker 1: these grants go to left wing groups and I say, well,
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Speaker 1: can't we stop this, and everyone saying no, people have
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Speaker 1: tried it before, it can be done. Well, maybe it
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Speaker 1: can be done. Maybe, and maybe we should have tried
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Speaker 1: harder when I was in the bushy ears, because this
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Speaker 1: stuff has been going on for a long time. It's
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Speaker 1: just now with AI and with social media, we get
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Speaker 1: to find out about it. Used to you would have
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Speaker 1: these these media filters, wouldn't let the story get out.
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Speaker 1: But now we can see the truth.
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Speaker 3: Hey, the worst, the most egregious thing I saw is
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Speaker 3: the illegal invasion we put a USA paid to six
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Speaker 3: billion dollars that we know about. Mind you, a lot
18:48
Speaker 3: of it gets laundered. We don't know about it. Six
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Speaker 3: billion dollars in the last two years to bring these
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Speaker 3: illegals in and you know, give them luxury hotels and
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Speaker 3: you know, debit cards and cars and houses and businesses.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is like insanity.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all I had to do was say stop. And
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Speaker 1: you know if you know, but border apprehensions are way
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Speaker 1: down because we said no, it's no longer an open door.
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Speaker 1: We're going to stop you. You can't come in this
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Speaker 1: country legally. I love immigrants. I'm very pro immigration, but
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Speaker 1: pro legal immigration. How do you think these people are
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Speaker 1: waiting online for their visa feel when somebody just sneaks
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Speaker 1: over the border and then it leads to Americans say, oh,
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Speaker 1: we don't want immigrants. It's not that we don't want imigrants.
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Speaker 1: We don't want illegal immigrants.
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Speaker 3: We want legal.
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Speaker 1: Immigration because it's the lifebload of our economy. It brings
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Speaker 1: in new idea. Forty percent of the people in the
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Speaker 1: pharmaceutical industry are immigrants. I think they're great, but those
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Speaker 1: people came here legally.
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Speaker 3: I look at my top ten friends I live here
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Speaker 3: in Florida, and at least four or five of them,
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Speaker 3: you know, emigrated here legally.
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Speaker 1: So you know, to say, its great energy and ideas
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Speaker 1: and money to this country. And you know that's what
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Speaker 1: we worth thirty five trillion dollars in debt. We can't
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Speaker 1: just live off our pathetic birth rate, which is you know,
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Speaker 1: we're not even replacing ourselves. We do need people to
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Speaker 1: come here to pay taxes and to build a country
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Speaker 1: and to be innovators. But we've got to do it legally.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we want to know something about them and
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Speaker 3: know that they're not diseased. And my ancestors came through
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Speaker 3: Ellis Island that were quarantined for a couple of weeks.
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Speaker 3: They couldn't come into the country to lin knew. We
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Speaker 3: knew they were diseased free. And that's just one example. Hey, again,
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Speaker 3: the book is The Power and the Money, the epic
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Speaker 3: it's by Tevy Troy. Tevy been a great guest. Really
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Speaker 3: appreciate your coming here. You've got a website we can
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Speaker 3: follow your work. Can go to Tebi Troy dot org.
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Speaker 3: You can buy the Power of the Money wherever fine
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Speaker 3: got to say I love your shirt. Thanks. Hey, well,
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Speaker 3: we always like to say wherever fine books used to
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Speaker 3: The link will be in the show notes, both to
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Speaker 3: Tevy's website and to the book on Amazon. Hey, appreciate
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Speaker 3: you coming on. We're definitely going to have you on
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Speaker 3: again and can't wait for your next book. Hey.
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Speaker 1: Thanks, I look forward to your review and the mention
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