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#159 - James Graves of Motorcar Media Co. · After-Hours with Faction! Motorsports

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Hey, hi, how you doing? Welcome back to another episode
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of the After Hours podcast. On today's episode we have a
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guest, James Graves. James is a photographer at Club
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Loose and he's been shooting photos for all the drift guys
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for, I don't know, maybe like 2018.
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I think he said he's when he first got down there.
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So me and Carl pretty much met James during this episode.
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So it was pretty good. It was an interesting episode.
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We learned a lot about him, how he started, how he even got into
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this industry, and random jobs he's he's done along the way.
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So if you guys are interested in photography at all, this episode
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is definitely for you. And yeah, enjoy.
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Faction Motorsports. Well, welcome everybody to the
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Fashion After Hours podcast. In case you guys missed that
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first little blurb, we're here to bring another episode with a
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guest. Not just any other guests, but
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we have James Graves. Welcome everybody.
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Whoa, what's up, gentlemen? Yeah, dude, that was a good
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audience. That was a good little flow into
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that one. Yeah, yeah.
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But OK. So it's Graves, not Gravy, Not
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Garvey, No. Yeah, it's Graves.
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Like, I don't know, picture like British people from 5000 years
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ago or something. Just real.
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Maybe not 5000, maybe 500. Yeah, one of my picturing here.
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What are they going to James Graves?
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Yeah, yeah, that is kind of a, it's like such a.
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Proper English name, you know. I think for, for those of you
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who don't know James, but you take some of 'cause I had a
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buddy ask me like, Oh well, who's James?
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And I was like, dude, he just takes some of the most dramatic
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photos I've ever seen. Sometimes at club loose like
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you're looking at the photo and you're like.
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I feel the same way about that. You know what I mean?
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You capture a moment in there where it's like very emotional
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type of photo. So I'm like, yeah, well, go
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check out his Instagram. Thank you.
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Thank you. Then I check it and now you
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started something else. It called.
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Are we allowed to talk about this?
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Yeah, yeah. But it's called motor.
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Motor car media. Card Motor car Media card.
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Yeah, officially went live a little over a year ago, doing
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pretty well. It was just me kind of wanting
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to formalize what I do also kind of a rebrand outside of like the
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drifting world and the the sort of enthusiast world more I guess
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like collector based, but also just sort of anything that's
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rare, interesting, valuable, the stuff that you don't necessarily
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see on the Internet. Like I work with a lot of
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brokers and stuff that sell, build, buy pre war Grand Prix
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race cars, stuff like that. Stuff that an entire generation
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doesn't really know about because it's not on the
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Internet. Like all the dudes who are into
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this stuff, they're all like pencil and paper dudes in their
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like, 30s, forties, fifties, 60s, you know, like there's an
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entire subculture that nobody really knows about because it's
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just not on the Internet. Wow.
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That's some crazy. 2 1/2 minutes into the podcast and we have the
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most info we've ever received. So pre war supercar like race
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cars so. Yeah, before F1 was even called
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F1, back when it was just the Grand Prix.
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Yeah, this is exactly what I was looking.
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At OK, these photos are crazy. Well, it's James.
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Come on, man. Like what?
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Does this not encapsulate what I just said?
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It's like. The one on the right right
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there. The the most, yeah.
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What? I just got up.
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Yeah. So that's.
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A. Looked at my garage.
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Lotus 7 from the 60s. Death trap death.
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Trap. I bet, I bet, I bet.
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I love it though. If you're familiar at all with
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like Caterham, yeah, this is basically like the Super set
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Caterham was. Yeah, is this not what this is?
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Yeah, this is what the Caterham 7 is based off of basically.
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And this specific one belonged to Lex DuPont, member of, you
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know, the very affluent, well known DuPont family.
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He drove it around England. It was like his daily driver.
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So fuck, that's what I'm saying. What?
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How? Do you meet these people?
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What? What we're over here hanging out
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with? Fucking look.
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What are we? Doing the craziest part is it's
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got 16 likes on it and this is the probably the coolest car
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I've ever seen in my. Life this deserves more like,
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no, it's just the photos too. It's just I, I don't know, you
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get to see. OK, first of all, Malcolm, can
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you go back to the one with the that that cut ain't perfect in
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today's standard. Somebody's going to call you
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like a butcher for that. But probably back then, that's
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maybe as good as you could have gotten it.
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You know what I mean? Like they were cutting it with a
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template. Yeah, they were feeling even.
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They were just. I don't even know.
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My only guess is probably that the car like that's right where
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the carbs are. So the car might have at one
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point had some different carbs that.
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Had a stack or something? Yeah, yeah.
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And then it went and got these side intake carbs on it that are
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under that shroud there. That two piece flare is also
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crazy. I love looking at the like glass
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and stuff like that. Like that is a sheet of glass
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that they just found, like a they made a frame for.
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Probably. Yeah, look at the linkage, look
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at look at where the shifter and shit is like what the fuck?
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The windshield looks like an afterthought, yeah.
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Yeah, the trance tunnel looks like an afterthought.
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Look at that bro. The trance is like above the
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tunnel. Hand built in England in the
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60s. And it's still running.
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That's the vibe. Oh, this one's not running.
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OK, that makes more sense. Well, that makes more.
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Sense nobody said anything. About it running built in
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England, yeah, there's no way it's running.
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Like that's this is kind of the stuff that I love.
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I mean, I love everything. Cars are cars are it.
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And you can ask anybody that knows me, cars are it.
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But like I said, there's an entire world out there of this
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kind of stuff that nobody knows about.
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And this is like a car that you could rock up to a cars and
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coffee with and you'd get as much attention as.
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Like. A 9/11 GT3, maybe more.
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You know, it's just interesting stuff, and it's the stuff that
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will really, really, really kill you if it goes wrong.
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Yeah. Like no roll cage, no anything.
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Like the seat that you see there is the seat, there's no
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seatbelts, like no bolstering anything.
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That's a car that you would take out on the track.
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And this is also on also, this is something that you would for
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some reason see driving through the streets of South Plainfield
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in New Jersey. That is insane.
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Like when you see, you ever see anybody driving like an old car
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on the road? Lately I see a lot of them.
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This is like a go Kart though. You're not driving.
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Maybe you're not driving this one on the road.
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Maybe. I mean, I hope someone is, but
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it's. So crazy.
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If you do I hope you got some belts or something.
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According to James, this shit is pretty.
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So how, how did you find this car?
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So they're this guy. So going back, it is a guy,
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yeah, going back several years. I initially got into the
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collector car thing because I know a guy who knows a guy, more
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or less. I went to school with these two
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dudes. They were a year above me, and
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they went on to start a collector car business in Philly
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called LBI Limited. And I didn't hear about LBI
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Limited until many years later. These guys graduated from my
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school in O7. I didn't know them personally,
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but I knew of them and I had friends who were friends with
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them. So like 10 years goes by, I'm
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working as a full time salaried in house jewelry photographer
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for this company in Philly. And we had a shoot that was
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happening, social shoot, we called them.
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We'd have a model come in, she'd wear all the jewelry and we'd
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photograph it. Our makeup artist dropped out
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last minute, like the morning of, had an emergency, something
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like that. And this was going to be a 2 day
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shoot. So it was like a big deal.
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We needed somebody there. So our backup makeup artist
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ended up being the life of one of the guys who started LBI
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Limited. And I heard her talking to my
13:08
producer about cars and my ears perked up a little bit.
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So I'm like, hey, you know, like what's going on here?
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And so she's chatting with me. She's like, Oh, yeah, you got to
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like, meet my husband, you know, like, blah, blah, blah.
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And she gives me his name. And I'm like, his name sounds so
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familiar to me. Why does this sound familiar?
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And I go home that night and I'm researching it and I'm like,
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Andrew, oh, shit, I went to school with this guy.
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Whoa. So the next day I come back to
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her and I'm like, can you put me in touch with him?
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You know, like, it's crazy that this is happening, You know,
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like a decade later, come back full circle on this.
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And I'm like, holy hell, that's cool.
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So I went there, checked it out. They were like a full, full
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operation, big, big storage space, all of that in Northeast
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Philly, in Frankfurt. And so met with those guys, they
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didn't really have a position for me at the time.
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They were just starting to get together their Midwest building
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out in Pontiac, MI. They were like, well, if you
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want to move to Pontiac, like we need a guy out there.
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And I was like, it's not really in the cards right now, you
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know? It's a little far from us at
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the. Moment but their photographer
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Nick started throwing me work on the side.
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He ran his own thing and after the pandemic happened, I really
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had a lot of time. So Nick started throwing me work
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on the side and it was like a lot of collector car stuff He
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would shoot for RM Sotheby's, Bonhams, all the the big auction
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houses. So I went out to this shop out
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in Amish country called DL George and I shot an AR for them
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and then like that was cool. The owner David George like
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showed me around the shop. Super nice guy, super duper
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duper into it. Like his dad started the
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business and his dad had unfortunately passed away like a
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year before we met. So we call him Deege.
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That's his like nickname. Deege was just kind of like
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taking over the business from his dad.
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He already knew everything that he had to do to run it and all
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of that and he was really good at it.
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So shot this alpha for Deege. He showed me around super nice
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guy and then I wasn't sure if we were ever going to cross paths
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again. Then a couple years went by and
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photographing a gig at this other big car storage facility
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on the mainline called Car Vault.
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And it was like a holiday party. And I look across the way and I
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see this guy that looks kind of familiar to me.
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And he starts like strolling across the the green that the
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whole facility is like turfed because it was like a an indoor
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sports facility. I was about to ask, like, what
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is this yard you're walking across?
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Yeah. It's an indoor sporting facility
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that these storage people bought out and they turn the back end
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of it into regular self storage. In the front is this place
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called Car Vault and it's car storage and like a social club.
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Yeah, I think I heard of this one.
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Yeah, it's fairly new. It's fairly new.
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They've been doing their thing for like 2 years now.
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But I see this guy and he's walking up to me and he's like,
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hey, you look kind of familiar to me.
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And I'm like, you look familiar to me too, but I don't know from
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where. And it like clicked for both of
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us and we're like, Oh my God, DL George, it's like, yo, so we
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reconnected there and it was like December of 2022.
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And indeed just like, hey, I have work, you know, I need a
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photographer. Do you want to like shoot for
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me? I was like, cool.
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So started going out to his shop.
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I'm usually there like once a month or so and come out and
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shoot for the day, whatever he needs to get done.
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So this little Lotus was part of his kind of inventory that he
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has. That's where a lot of the other
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like pre war kind of stuff does come from.
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They do mostly mid century like pre war to early post war race
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cars. That's kind of what their vibe
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is. Is there a large market for
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stuff like that? It's it sounds like a secret
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club that we're talking about the way that like, are you
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getting that vibe? Like I feel like we shouldn't be
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talking about it but like just maybe just cuz I'm looking at
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this photo. I'm looking at these fenders and
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they look like motorcycle fenders too.
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Oh yeah, that shit right there Is the front Fender fucking
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sporty? Yeah, and the back 1 is a six
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inch chopper Fender. Yeah, that's an 8 inch chopper
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Fender. It's basically a motorcycle with
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four wheels. Yeah, yeah.
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It's but no, like the way that we're talking about it, like I'm
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almost like, yeah, I can't, don't, I mean.
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I mean, these are the kind of things they're hiding in these
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car storage places. That's what I'm saying.
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And we don't know anything about this stuff.
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So it's like, what is it and these?
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People just buy these cars and they don't even drive them, they
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just look at them and. Yeah, you'd be surprised.
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Some of this stuff gets toured around.
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There's a big tour in Colorado called the Colorado Grand.
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They just take with the stuff like this and they drive it
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around for like a week. Can we type that in Malcolm?
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I would like to a. 1000 miles on old cars and I don't know how
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they do it because I've ridden in some of these like pre war
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Grand Prix race cars, stuff like this and even less developed
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than this. I mean, a lot of the Grand Prix
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stuff I've been in is, you know, 30 years older than this, like.
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This is cool. I'm sorry Malcolm.
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Just thank you. Malcolm.
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Just googled up some photos of the Colorado Grand.
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Yep. So we need to do this with D
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cars. Bro, come on.
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Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it'd be as cool though.
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The Colorado Grand but the everything is lowercase except
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for the D so it's like the Colorado Grand D.
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Hey, if you get a squad going, like whatever you're driving,
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it's cool. Hey, we had a we had a buddy
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recently moved to Colorado. Shout out Andy is there?
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How much? That Ben's right there.
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I want to know how much that is. Dude, that the gull wing.
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SL Gull Wing. Probably a lot.
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That's at least $1,000,000 car. That's crazy.
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Props to them for taking it out and driving.
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Yeah, I don't know why he's dressed like a Nazi, but yeah.
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Oh, that's a cop. Never mind.
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Same thing. That Bentley right next to it,
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that green car there, that's probably close to $1,000,000 as.
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Well, what? Yeah, yeah, this stuff.
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But it it like, you're not wrong.
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It's kind of a secret society because.
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Yeah, what the fuck? All the people with this stuff,
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they're not on social media, you know?
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Oh. Yeah, I don't even know how to
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work a phone. Look at that guy.
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Dude, that's speedster Malcolm, can you go?
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Can you go back up to that white speedster?
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It's the two door Porsche right there.
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Oh my God, Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm whipping right there.
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That. I've driven A356 cabriolet, they
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are super comfy. It's just compared to the other
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stuff that I'm seeing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And that looks so cool. Look how short the look, how
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close the wheels are. Dude the wheels are pretty big
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for the size of the car. Yeah, dude, I don't know.
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I kind of like the go back up now.
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What would you drive in this shit?
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Oh, right there on the right down that thing.
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Right there, that's the what was that the Bentley you just
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pointed out? That's the Bentley.
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Yeah, yeah, I need a Bentley. Yeah, I'm smoking you.
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I'm I'm. Or or go up Malcolm, that that
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middle one right there up right. Yeah, that car in the middle.
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What's that one in the? Middle.
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Oh, the silver one, That's a. Cobra.
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That thing. Is that really?
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Yeah. Am I maybe?
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Or maybe because it's missing the glass?
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It's probably a recreation cobra.
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But there's no windshield. Or am I blind right now?
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There's a little tiny windshield.
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Oh, good, good, good. I could be wrong honestly, like
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a lot of these cars look so similar from yeah, certain
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angles, especially when you're looking at a photo like this.
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And that's what they say about the cars nowadays.
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So yeah, obviously nothing's changed.
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This is the time we think it has.
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I'm wearing them. You know what?
21:03
Oh, the goggles. Yeah, I'm rocking the goggles.
21:06
Yeah, you have to you, absolutely.
21:07
Have like this one. The windscreen's a little
21:09
larger. I feel like I could hide from.
21:11
The Ferrari right there. Yeah, that looks.
21:16
That looks fantastic. 512 bbi. All original.
21:21
Well, I would. Hold is this?
21:23
Is this the Magnum Pi car? No.
21:26
What's Magnum Pi drive? I was getting Magnum Pi and the
21:29
other guy mixed up. One's a Testarossa.
21:32
It's it's not that. It's it's not that.
21:33
Three O 8 GTS, there's Magnum Pi and who's the other guy?
21:40
Miami Vice. Are they the same?
21:42
There's 2. Why do I feel like Miami Vice
21:44
would have a testarosa that's. Why I think vice is the
21:46
testarosa? You're going to have to help him
21:48
out now. I think he's already doing that
21:50
here. What am I looking at?
21:52
Oh, no, Miami Vice car, I guess if you don't mind, We don't ever
21:56
look up Ferrari stuff or anything of the like over here.
21:59
This is not oh, that it was totally not.
22:04
Oh no, there is. And the Ferrari Testarosa.
22:06
Yeah. I don't know about a Daytona
22:08
being in Miami Vice, but Testarosa, yes, Testarosa is it.
22:14
There it is on the right, that white testarosa.
22:17
Yeah, the white Testarosa. Oh wow.
22:21
Oh yeah, dude, that's a 180SX. So that's a that's.
22:24
A 70s. Car.
22:25
Damn. Was it really Testarosa were I
22:28
think late 70s, early 80s. There's three iterations of the
22:32
Testarosa. So there's the OG, and then
22:35
there's the 512 TR, and then there's the five, the F512M.
22:41
Is there a 90s one too? Yeah, it's the F512M.
22:44
OK. Those are the really expensive.
22:46
Ones F512M. What was really the difference
22:48
between that and what we're looking at here?
22:49
Because I had a bunch of these cars as like toys.
22:52
The the TR, the 512 TR got some updates that made it a little
22:56
better driveability wise. They dropped the engine down a
22:59
little lower in the in the subframe area engine department.
23:04
Give it a little better weight balance and all of that.
23:07
The F512M got a lot of stuff like titanium connecting rods in
23:10
the engine, probably some other titanium bits here and there.
23:14
Damn. 512 M also doesn't have pop ups.
23:17
It's got standard headlights, and I believe they're actually
23:21
Z32 headlights I'm pretty sure. Oh no, I 512 Lamborghini has
23:27
those headlights for sure. Can we type that in Malcolm
23:29
Ferrari 512M? We got you working overtime and
23:31
by we I mean me. 512 M is the most expensive of the three.
23:36
You can get a Testarossa. For what the.
23:38
Hell, under 200, maybe even around 100, but 512 M you're
23:43
looking at north of half $1,000,000.
23:47
What the fuck is this? I feel like I've never seen
23:49
this. Before that's cool looking
23:51
though. Yeah, they are.
23:51
I actually just photographed one that looked just like this.
23:54
Yeah, that thing's sick. That's also 180SX but the Super
23:57
dupe covers. They're very cool cars.
24:00
The last Ferrari with a flat 12 so.
24:03
That probably flat 12. That probably sounds so, so
24:09
good. Are you kidding me?
24:10
They. Sound real cool.
24:12
They sound real cool. Gated shifter.
24:14
All the Ferrari Quarks you'd expect, like the steering wheel
24:17
is right in front of you and then all the pedals are like 6
24:20
inches to the right, so you have to.
24:21
Drive. Oh my God, I'm looking at it
24:23
right now. Why is it like?
24:25
That what? What?
24:27
Because the wheels are so tucked in like why is it like?
24:29
That partially because the wheels are so tucked in.
24:31
Also because everything is behind you.
24:33
So they have to make all the linkage to everything go from
24:35
the front of the car to the back, like shifter, pedals, all
24:39
of that stuff. It all has to make it to the
24:41
rear of the car. That looks so ridiculous.
24:44
Now, Frankie, I don't mean to relate this to what to my 2002
24:48
likes as high as 300, OK, but that is exactly how I sit in my
24:52
car. I'm like this.
24:54
Your car's like that too. Yeah, that's because I.
24:56
Just crashed into it. No, the seat bracket is mounted
24:59
a little fucked off. Even if you look at like an E36,
25:04
the steering wheel. Column.
25:06
Nothing about that. Doesn't go straight.
25:08
Yeah. Does it really?
25:09
Not there? Yeah.
25:10
I mean even my Chevy Silverado is like off center.
25:12
Yeah, yeah, everything is. Yeah, well, at that point you're
25:15
just rearranging your, your, your feet you're.
25:18
Just no. But like the seat, the seat's
25:21
not even in line with the steering wheel in my truck.
25:23
Yeah. Like you'll look at and you're
25:25
like, wait a minute. Because that got hidden.
25:29
Too. I mean, it definitely did, but
25:31
that's not the reason. But I've seen that in a lot of
25:33
cars. This looks a bit extreme.
25:36
No, that's extreme. I'm not even going to hold you.
25:37
That first photo, that Malcolm, that's crazy.
25:39
What the fuck are we doing here? Bro that's why it looks insane
25:43
it's like. Wild getting in these cars
25:46
because you get in it and you feel like you're sitting on the
25:48
ground, like you're so low and there's no power steering.
25:53
So you're just like little like go Kart car.
25:56
You know, it's crazy. Like the funniest part is like
26:00
you get in and you put your foot down where you think the brake
26:02
is and you're like stepping on the clutch and you're like oops,
26:05
gotta. Move that over, rearrange, and
26:07
then you could probably get used to it.
26:09
You do. I'm sure you do.
26:10
I have. That back one mouth, right?
26:12
You were just on it, that one. That thing's sick.
26:16
That's a 180SX. Kind of is.
26:18
It has literally a 180SX. Yeah, those are those are Cokie
26:22
tail like look. At the vents.
26:23
The vents on the sides are crazy.
26:25
And that's a car modifier. With the kid, yeah.
26:27
Literally the. Strafes that's like the the, you
26:31
know, kind of defining yeah piece on the Testarossa that
26:36
side profile with the strafes all along the.
26:39
That's not on. That's not on every single one,
26:41
is it? On all the testeros it is, yeah,
26:43
yeah. So even the 70s ones.
26:45
Yep, Yeah. So if it's a Testarosa, if it's
26:49
in that family, it's got the the little side vents on.
26:52
It that you don't? Yeah, dumb little holes on the
26:54
side color that looks. Good.
26:56
And they're functional too. The the intake ducts for the
26:59
radiator are right here, so it's not even just for show.
27:02
And that's a flat 12 you send? Yep, that makes sense.
27:05
Look how flat the back end of that corner.
27:06
Yeah, that's it. Just looks like it should be in
27:09
there. Yeah.
27:10
Can you lay the engine? Got a hell of an engine in
27:12
there. This is turning into just a
27:15
automotive automotive education. Podcast because what do we know
27:21
about this? Thank God James is here.
27:24
Oh Oh my bell housing bro. I'll drop that trans in 30 what
27:30
you could get all the bolts. You have to too, because.
27:34
The. Biggest thing with Ferraris up
27:37
until like the late 90s, engine out service every like 5000
27:41
miles. What the fuck?
27:43
What? Yeah.
27:44
What are they doing? New belts, pulleys, all that
27:48
stuff. 5000 miles for a lot of stuff, yeah.
27:52
What a piece of shit. What if I put what if, what,
27:54
what what if? I dude, I'd be the worst Ferrari
27:57
owner, bro. I would drive that shit.
27:58
Every day. Yeah, you'd be paying for it
28:00
too. No, I wouldn't.
28:01
Yeah, you would. I would start fixing it with gum
28:02
and tape. I mean, that's kind of how they
28:04
come from the factory if you. That's what I'm saying like.
28:07
Deep enough in a Ferrari. Like when you pay for a Ferrari
28:10
you're getting an engine and a transmission.
28:13
Everything else is extra. Like you look at the welds on a
28:16
Ferrari, you don't want to. No way.
28:19
Yeah, you don't want to. That's crazy.
28:21
They're amazing to drive. Like it's a it's an experience
28:25
that you can't put into words and no amount of just talking
28:29
about it will do it justice. Like you take a Ferrari out on
28:33
the highway and you mat it and you hear the scream coming out
28:37
of it and then you like grab the shifter and you click it into
28:40
the next gear. It's just like, there's nothing
28:44
like it, dude. Make me want to drive.
28:46
A crazy experience. Yeah.
28:48
But then all I'm thinking in my head is I'm like, can I
28:50
replicate that experience and give myself that feeling with
28:53
anything else? And the answer.
28:55
Not an IS3 header. Yeah, yes.
28:57
It is the other day when my hood flew up.
28:59
I got a pretty good feeling about it.
29:01
They put it right in a fourth. Not a gated shifter, but it's a
29:04
manual. And then the hood flew.
29:05
Up that's the that's yeah, that's how you match the
29:07
exhilaration of a. Ferrari, it gave me feelings
29:10
that I've not felt in a while. Did you pee a little?
29:13
No, no, a, a, a feeling of anger just went from my toes right up
29:18
to my fingers. Dude, it was like.
29:21
And you were like, Derek left the hood open.
29:24
I know, I know. Derek, he, I, he said don't
29:27
forget to latch. It is.
29:28
And then I forgot it. I would say like S2000, yeah,
29:32
not entirely comparable, but there's things, not a lot of
29:35
cars out there that you can just like Rev the nuts off of them
29:37
and they just ask for more. That's so funny because I had a
29:40
car get dropped off to me the other day that had his buddy who
29:43
picked him up had an S2000I remembered mine and I was like.
29:46
That engine is sick. That was seeing that tack go all
29:51
the way up to 9 and I was like, when like, you know what I mean?
29:57
Like you're, you're almost like like maybe I should just shift
30:02
now. But you can literally all the
30:04
way take it all the way to the to the end.
30:06
Got to do it 9200 or something like that just and it sounds
30:12
like you don't even want to be up there sometimes.
30:14
Yeah, I forget there's AP1 and AP2.
30:17
AP1 Revs higher. AP1 Revs higher, AP 2 got more
30:21
torque though 'cause it was. It went from a 2 liter to a 2.2.
30:25
Yeah. And it looks better, no?
30:27
AP1 with sixteens the hard teens.
30:31
AP1 sixteens hardtop white. Yeah, on the Spoon wheels.
30:36
Good, Yeah. One has an electronic throttle
30:39
body and one doesn't, right? Or are they both?
30:41
Probably I don't know that much more about them.
30:43
I knew all the weird stuff like Cam driven.
30:47
It was like a single Cam for both the cams.
30:52
Like like there was a chain that drove the one gear that drove
30:56
the two cams like or whatever, vice versa.
30:59
But that that that looked super weird in the front.
31:01
Sounds like Audi but more reliable.
31:03
And there is also you want to check your tensioner, Cam chain
31:08
tensioner or some shit for the front you need that I.
31:12
Remember the AP 2 was just the better one, but the problem was
31:15
that the AP one Rev tire. But it sounds like.
31:17
I don't remember why still. It's not by much, it's like 300
31:20
RPM. Yeah, it's like, still very
31:22
good. Yeah, like and.
31:25
Yeah, I would just put a tune on the AP 2 and have a Rev 300.
31:28
Dude, I the weirdest thing to me about those cars, and similarly
31:33
the Honda Fit, is how quick the steering rack is.
31:37
Yeah, you turn the wheel in an S2000 or a Honda Fit and you
31:41
feel it like this, and then all of a sudden you're like, like,
31:46
Oh my God. Like, what the fuck?
31:47
Like the rack is so quick. Yeah, the the rear suspension on
31:52
those 2 is they like I think it tows in as it compresses.
31:57
So they're really easy to end up spinning when you lift off,
32:03
they'll just throw you. Yeah, that's why a lot of people
32:05
don't drift them, right. I think that's.
32:08
Actually I have a buddy who had one.
32:10
It was his first car. He was like hey I'm looking to
32:15
get a sports car, can you help me out?
32:17
I don't know anything about cars.
32:18
This was like 2020 so he found an S2K in Egg Harbor Township,
32:23
NJ. He couldn't even drive stick yet
32:26
so he was like will you come with me to get this car?
32:29
He brought like 15K in cash in like a little Fanny pack and we
32:36
went and looked at this car. It was, I forget what your S2K
32:39
it was if it was an AP1 or AP2, but it was all modded out.
32:42
It had been resprayed in that like dark burgundy that you
32:44
could get on like Nissan Altima's, like real dark
32:47
burgundy. It looked good though.
32:49
It looked good in the wrong light, it looked like black, but
32:51
in the right light it was like a deep, deep, deep like red wine
32:55
had like the spoon trunk, Fender or trunk cover, whatever thing
33:00
like the tail section. The spoon like tail section had
33:03
hardcover top so it was just like a coupe you know no
33:06
convertible to it or anything BC racing coil overs that were like
33:11
rock hard enki RPF ones and I think a short shifter kit in it.
33:18
And my buddy got the seller to like drive the car all the way
33:23
back to Philly for him. And then like the next few
33:25
weeks, we spent a couple hours each like in South Philly, me
33:29
just like teaching him how to drive the car in parking lots.
33:32
And he would like come down to me once he like got it right and
33:35
could figure it out. And I remember one of the first
33:38
times that he brought the car down to my place, I was like
33:40
living in Delco at the time because my wife was doing her
33:43
her like internship at Crozier. We were living in Delco.
33:48
My buddy brings the S2K down and we take it out on the highway
33:52
and we're getting on the highway and I'm just like letting it eat
33:56
like 9 grand second gear dropping into third just like
34:02
ripping and we're going down the on ramp and like we hit like a
34:05
bump and the car was set up so badly.
34:09
They just. Saw like rock hard, he like put
34:13
the the suspension on like the softest setting and it was still
34:15
rock hard because you had like this much Fender gap, you know?
34:18
So like you had no travel option and you'd like hit a bump in
34:22
this thing and you're only hope was to keep your foot in it
34:26
'cause otherwise it was just gonna like bumps to your
34:28
sideways and like throat you dude.
34:31
So like it was a riot. It was an absolutely hilarious
34:35
death trap of a car. Was there nitrous in it?
34:37
No. When I had sounded like a.
34:40
Car my friend, babe. When I had that, when I had my
34:42
S2000, the problem that I had that would do that.
34:45
And the only reason why I know how terrible that was probably
34:49
that probably felt is 'cause when I got mine, it was super
34:54
duper low. And then apparently the S2000 is
34:59
one of those cars just like the IS where if you don't get it
35:02
aligned and and it's really low like that, it's just going to
35:05
pull left, right, forward, back, whatever like and throw you
35:10
around when you hit the bump because the suspension is just
35:12
like. Yeah, if you don't have role
35:13
center correction or anything going like that, it's like the
35:16
suspension doesn't. Well, just generally just just
35:18
like if it's not aligned, it will fucking just toss you.
35:22
And then another thing that I was having was that if I was
35:24
accelerating and the car was that low, which I ended up
35:29
pulling it back up, it would vibrate like fuck because you
35:34
needed to get axle spacers because the axles are super
35:38
duper pulled like this when you lower an S2000.
35:41
So I just raised it back up to stock.
35:44
It was cool. I did some Donuts in mine like
35:46
it was not that great. It was not like a car that you
35:49
would just let go of the wheel, just.
35:51
Let it drift. You would have to like.
35:53
I mean, no one really drifts that car.
35:55
Like literally no one drifts. That car I had a buddy named
35:57
Nino who did he has he had a blue one supercharged now.
36:01
Like for real drifted it. Yeah, like at Poconos, Really.
36:05
Yeah. They're worth too much money
36:06
now. It's very expensive Nino's.
36:08
Yeah, that's very. That's probably another reason
36:10
why I guess. Yeah, I think the what's the
36:12
special? The Club Racer Edition.
36:13
The CR. Oh, the CR, yeah.
36:14
Those are worth like, I don't know, 100 grand now or
36:16
something. Like.
36:17
That anything with a number though, you know?
36:20
Yeah. There's only how many of those?
36:22
I don't. I don't know.
36:23
I'm not a Honda person. But it was not a lot, no, I'll
36:27
tell you that much. They're cool though, factory
36:29
spoiler and all that. Yeah, a lot of them are yellow
36:32
from the factory, which is awesome.
36:33
I love yellow parts, man. Cool.
36:34
Yeah. And not a lot of things.
36:38
Like I think that one doesn't have AC.
36:40
I might be mistaken, but there's also like an option where
36:46
there's no roof. Imagine paying $100,000 for a
36:48
car with no. AC no, I think, I think
36:50
generally there's no roof because there's a Tonneau cover
36:53
that's matched. So they try to make it light.
36:55
So it make it makes it look really cool with the Tonneau
36:57
cover. I don't know how light it.
36:59
Is Malcolm's going shopping right now over there?
37:07
OK, good. Yeah, they're not too bad.
37:09
Yet they might have come down or it's still bad, but.
37:11
I'm telling you, there's no many.
37:12
Miles. There's no roof on that
37:14
motherfucker like a retractable. Does it come with a hardtop?
37:17
I don't know if it comes with a hardtop, it comes with, you
37:20
know, a soft top. OK, so you can flip up, but at
37:24
that point you'd be. I would, I mean, I would love
37:26
that in blue that that'd be the one I get.
37:28
I. Feel like the CR don't got a
37:30
roof. I think it's AI.
37:32
Think it's just a tono cover. I wouldn't be surprised.
37:35
That I I think so. Oh.
37:37
Oh, wait. In place of the standard soft
37:41
top. Yeah dude, I saw one of those
37:46
brand new in the dealer when I was a kid.
37:48
Damn. I was like, what the heck is
37:50
this? Why would you want to put?
37:52
Why would you want to take the roof off like now it looks like
37:56
I like, I like well. They come with soft tops, right?
37:59
Yeah, but I like the that they put the tunnel cover.
38:01
Do you know what the tunnel cover is?
38:02
The thing on the back that covers.
38:04
Oh, that covers the soft tops. Yeah, S 13, S 13 verts have them
38:08
too. Oh, so that was on there.
38:09
It came on there. Yeah, yeah.
38:11
Instead of can you? Probably OEM 1 Malcolm or like
38:13
A. That was a OEM one.
38:15
That was a hardtop. That was OEM.
38:19
I'm confused. OEM.
38:21
That was an OEM hardtop. OEM hardtop.
38:23
Yeah, yeah. But like AOEMCR like.
38:25
Yeah, that's OEMCR. Oh, it comes with that, OK.
38:29
But the normal cars don't. No, they come with a soft top.
38:31
No, and, and, and we might be somebody might out there might
38:35
correct us and say they didn't even come with the hard top.
38:38
Some like that might have been an option for the CR God knows
38:41
what. I don't know what I'm thinking
38:42
how much S2000 OEM hardtop is right now.
38:45
Shit's like $4000. Forty, $500.
38:48
I mean that's that's a non negotiable part though.
38:50
You got to just keep one around in case your buddy comes and
38:52
sleeps over getting the cover to sleep.
38:54
Under. Yep, that's perfect.
38:56
Yeah, dude, James, I feel like you would have it.
38:58
You're an S2000 guy. You would.
38:59
You would have an S2. 1000 dude, I've never owned a Honda.
39:02
But that one though, it's just like a race bred.
39:05
That's probably the one I would like.
39:07
Type of machine, yeah. I've like I've considered
39:10
dropping an F20C in my E36 but I don't know why.
39:16
Cool. Why?
39:17
What? Why not?
39:18
Is that a swap? Is that like a it?
39:20
Could be if you have enough money.
39:22
Oh OK, but this hasn't been done yet.
39:24
This is just like an inspirational thing.
39:25
Yeah, OK. There's a lot of inspirational
39:28
things going on up here with my E36.
39:31
I don't know what's going to happen.
39:32
I think at this point I want to keep it fairly like it is.
39:36
The first iteration was going to get A2J.
39:39
That was 2019 when 2 JS weren't, you know, 15 grand or whatever.
39:45
And then the iteration that stuck for a while that I don't
39:48
really think I want to do anymore because it'll ruin the
39:51
balance of the car was get a 5 three and drop that in and
39:57
that's a 323 cubic inch displacement and then put 323CI
40:02
badging on the back of the car. They never made a three 2-3 CI
40:07
E36. OK.
40:09
And. Just like catch out all the
40:10
nerds would be like, it's the wrong badge, but it started up
40:13
and it's just like. Is that an aluminum block or is
40:16
that? 53 I don't actually know,
40:18
probably. Would be aluminum, right?
40:19
It's a newer one I'm talking. About, I don't know, 5/3?
40:21
'S, they're like, they're like the ones that you'd find in like
40:24
Tahoes and everything. Else that's the LQLT.
40:27
Oh, it probably is a fucking iron block.
40:29
LQ LQ9 Yeah dude that shit sounds like a truck.
40:33
That would be heavy as fuck. Every time the one of those V8
40:36
drive by me or or on grid or on track, you're driving with one,
40:41
you know it's LQ. I'm like what is that sound it
40:45
sounds like? Wait, you can eat so?
40:47
But isn't it almost the same as an LS1?
40:49
Dude, it just, there's something about the way it sounds.
40:52
They're like sounds in the family.
40:53
Yeah. It's like I don't know.
40:55
I don't, I don't. I'm not AV eight guy.
40:57
I don't know the whole like delineation.
41:00
You're about to put one in the beamer.
41:02
You just do shit and then you figure it out.
41:04
I should go, you know, like that's all it is, man.
41:08
Let's be honest, you're a WRX. You're a Subaru person.
41:11
You're a Subaru person. I am, yeah.
41:13
I've had my WRX for 7 1/2 years. I bought it off my buddy Nate.
41:18
It was his kind of like, gift to himself when he graduated from
41:24
college. We were roommates freshman year
41:26
of college. So I've known Nate for, I don't
41:29
know, 3/4 of two decades now. What's that 15 years?
41:33
Damn, dude, it's a long way to say 15 years.
41:36
But so it was his car and the whole way that I like got into
41:42
wanting one of these was I had my best friend's family had like
41:46
a 97 Outback when I was like 1718.
41:51
And I just love the way it drove.
41:54
I think before that even I was kind of into like the sound of
41:58
the Subarus and all of that. But I really liked how smooth it
42:02
was like the flat 4, just like doesn't have all the traditional
42:05
vibration of like inline 4 or anything like that.
42:09
Super smooth. It drove nice.
42:11
The all-wheel drive is great. So I was like, I really want a
42:15
turbocharged Subaru. It's like, these things are
42:17
cool, man. They sound like nothing else.
42:19
Like you're like you hear it and you're.
42:21
Like that's how they get. You that's so the one outside is
42:23
yours. Yeah.
42:24
OK, that makes sense. I was like, what the hell is
42:26
this thing? Doing here.
42:27
No, I'm just kidding. They they, they come through
42:28
here from time to time. Yeah, Brian.
42:30
I hear them whenever I'm at home.
42:33
Can always tell when one goes by.
42:35
I do like the Subaru sound when all the when it's an equal
42:40
length header. Is that the thing?
42:41
When it gets Evo. When you get rid of the rumble.
42:44
Yeah, you like it when you get rid of the rumble.
42:45
Yeah, you like it when it does? But but I've had, I've had, I do
42:50
know, I had to think about what you meant by what, when it's
42:53
like how smooth it is. Yeah.
42:54
Because yeah, it kind of, it kind of do feel a little
42:58
different. It does feel different.
42:59
Do you know what I'm talking about?
43:00
Try to picture it right now. You're driving a Subaru.
43:02
You Rev it from first, second to third, just like you're driving
43:05
into town. And like, for some reason it
43:09
don't, it don't do like the I don't know.
43:13
It's just I know what you mean by it's smoother.
43:15
That's why it's called a boxer, because.
43:17
Yeah, they're opposed. One side, yeah, they're opposed
43:19
as opposed as it's different than like the timing on like say
43:23
a, a 180° V 4 would be. So it's like on one side, like
43:29
when one piston is going out, the other piston is going out.
43:32
So it's vice versa. So they always cancel.
43:36
Out versus like in a in one of ours, it's like exactly.
43:40
That's why like. So many in.
43:42
The Pistons. Yeah.
43:44
One cylinder you still which cylinder are you, 123 or 4?
43:47
I don't that might have been that might have been three, I
43:50
think just out of time slightly. But tell us about the two J.
43:55
That thing's kind of smooth, right?
43:56
Yeah, because, dude, how would that work then?
44:00
Because the the the Jay-Z line and a lot of the UZ line of
44:04
motors, right? Yeah.
44:05
It's like I have this thing where somebody told me, not
44:11
somebody, but I was watching somewhere and somebody told me
44:15
that the Toyota line of motors like the UZ and the Jay-Z motors
44:18
are very balanced. Yes.
44:21
So like also naturally that straight sixes are pretty.
44:24
Is that what that but but yet it's it's doing, you know.
44:27
Yeah, it's just the firing order and the amount of cylinders.
44:29
Straight sixes from my general understanding is when 2 Pistons
44:34
are going up, two Pistons are going down and then two Pistons
44:37
are like basically right in the middle of the cylinder.
44:39
So they kind of always keep themselves balanced that way.
44:43
There's like a 4 cylinder. A lot of four cylinders need a
44:46
counterbalance weight somewhere in the crank.
44:49
Yeah, yeah, I know. Like I had a Mazda 4 before my
44:52
WRX. And what the heck is that?
44:54
Mazda 3 Sorry I was 4 cylinder Mazda.
44:57
Three. What is?
44:58
That no, there's no Mazda 4. I'm just making stuff and a mod
45:02
that some people would do. A controversial mod was to
45:05
delete the balance shaft. Oh, that's smart, Yeah.
45:09
So let's like, make the. Let's make the crank.
45:11
Let's. Just let's just change what the
45:14
engineers did. What?
45:16
What is? It's?
45:17
What was the purpose? I I think it was to.
45:20
Reduce. Weight.
45:21
Yeah. Rotating mass.
45:22
So get like a lightened flywheel or something.
45:24
Get rid of this shit. Yeah.
45:27
That's what I did. My Mazda 3 had a lightweight
45:29
flywheel on a stage 1 clutch in it and it felt great.
45:32
It was a four. Cylinder.
45:33
Yeah, those, the V6 ones were just below out, left and right.
45:35
That's all I remember. Yeah, I don't know.
45:37
I don't know too much about the V6.
45:38
The V6 Mazda 3, that shit would blow up left and.
45:41
Right. Oh, wait, no, no, no, no, I'm
45:42
thinking about. 6 Is it that 1/3 didn't have a V6?
45:46
OK, then the Mazda 6. Yeah, yeah, you get a V6 Mazda
45:49
6. Yeah, that shit was terrible.
45:51
I knew people with those things. They all the motors blew up.
45:53
But they had a, they had a turbo V61, didn't they?
45:57
I don't know about they did. They had a speed 6.
46:00
Yes, and it had a turbo. Are you sure?
46:02
It was a turbo 4 cylinder. Yeah, I don't.
46:04
Same 4 cylinder out of the speed three.
46:06
Oh shit. But they speed 6 was kind of a
46:09
tragedy. They only made the speed 6 for
46:11
06:00 and 07:00. I wonder why?
46:13
And they were all-wheel drive. They were actually like, very
46:16
slept on. It looked like a really dude.
46:18
This. I would never buy one of those.
46:20
Dude when I was looking for a first car I thought the speed 6
46:23
looked cool but I also thought the RX8 looked really cool.
46:26
Yeah. So similarly they've had this
46:29
the bubbly fenders and the RX or the the speed 6 like was pretty
46:34
proportional like you had a short trunk, long hood.
46:37
Dude RX8 looks way better than a a speed 6 dude.
46:40
I don't. Know Malcolm?
46:42
Do you mind? Way better.
46:43
Generation of Mazda 6. They kind of.
46:45
There was fire kind of good. It was so nice.
46:47
RX8. RX8 looks sick.
46:49
What are you like? You don't have to replace the
46:51
apex seals. You don't have to replace the
46:53
engine in the Mazda 6. OK, look.
46:55
Look how good this thing looked. No.
46:57
Yes. Are you kidding me?
46:58
Yes, Malcolm, come in. No.
47:01
Yeah, looks cool, yeah. Looks kind of like an EVO.
47:04
Look how small the lights are an.
47:06
Evo. Yeah, look at the proportions
47:07
you got, like the short trunk. That looks like a Saab it.
47:10
Kind of looks like a Evo, like an American car or something.
47:13
Oh like a like a GT? Like a GTO?
47:16
They were owned by Ford or not owned, but like Ford, had a
47:18
controlling stake in. Modeling.
47:20
Isn't this a Mondeo? Isn't this a Mondeo?
47:23
I think you might be right. Is you saying that I would not
47:27
make up that this is a Mondeo? My Mazda 3 had a lot of four
47:30
parts on it. I would believe it, yeah.
47:33
Frankie, look at the, look at the, literally look at the I'm
47:35
trying my hardest and I don't see now that's a car.
47:38
Right there. That looks good.
47:39
Yes, that's. Silver one right there.
47:41
But the Mazda speed three that's sick hard on the on the veil
47:45
side. I still.
47:46
Want I still want an RX8 not gonna lie.
47:48
RX eights are awesome. Man, you seem like a a pretty
47:52
intelligent guy. You need an RXC.
47:56
I'm glutton for everybody. Everybody we know who is pretty
47:59
intelligent, who's an engineer or thinks like an engineer.
48:03
Rotary. Yeah, they're cool and you can
48:06
make them sound nasty. Like how a car sounds is one of
48:10
the like defining points for one.
48:12
Yes, it's got to sound good. It's one of the senses in your
48:15
body where like. Like that color?
48:19
It it will trigger other senses, like I don't know, if I hear
48:22
something, I can almost fucking smell and taste and see it.
48:25
Like I'm like, Oh yeah, yeah. It's a good color too.
48:30
Dude, that's a, That's AR. Yeah, R3.
48:32
R3 Yeah. That's what Miyagi had right
48:35
under the red one an R. 3. Yep, he had that.
48:38
He had an R3 dude, that's the best RX8 you could have.
48:41
Yep. What the fuck?
48:44
Got rid of that shit. That shit's actually the only.
48:47
RX8 that's worth bread right now.
48:50
Like if you were to sell one like, you know?
48:52
The thing that sucked about this one is like no good body kits
48:55
are fit that because they don't fit the fenders.
48:57
What are you talking, dude? Oh.
48:59
Yeah, body kit only the only the one before that.
49:02
Slam it. Yeah, I would take that with
49:04
like a what? Ari Mamma Mia probably makes
49:08
something. Oh, look at that.
49:09
Wow, just like that. Lower it a little bit more.
49:12
I'll take the one that's not a :) in the front.
49:14
That's fine. But they kind of all are.
49:17
Look at the yeah. Dude, kind of a Mazda thing.
49:19
Yeah, it's the it's a Mazda, but the R3.
49:21
Yeah, but it gets worse, like as the years go.
49:23
On the R, get happier. See.
49:25
Look at that one. That one's like.
49:27
Yeah, they get way happier as the years go on.
49:31
I don't. Like it My Co worker took me
49:34
around in one of one of like for a little bit in his and this is
49:39
a fun car. Yeah, it is so fucking.
49:42
Fun. One of the coolest sounding
49:43
cars, yeah. Yeah, they sound awesome.
49:45
The little like suicide doors. Yeah, so cool.
49:48
Oh yeah. That's so roof amazing.
49:50
Any sunroof that comes out like that when it opens, it's my
49:52
favorite. Swoopy interior?
49:54
Does that make sense? Like everything is like very
49:56
geared. Isn't.
49:56
This. I actually fucking hated the
49:58
interior. Isn't the center like kind of
49:59
like Rotary? Yeah, shaped.
50:01
It's it's like a little triangle guy.
50:03
That tried to make everything a Rotary.
50:05
Yeah, it's so retarded. Like look at the fucking circle
50:08
in the. Middle, yeah.
50:09
Nah, dude. Then the shifter is a rotor.
50:11
Yeah, the shifter is a triangle and the dashboard that in every
50:15
single car is cracked. Really.
50:17
Yeah, they all crack right there on the right, right in front of.
50:20
The look at this stupid E brake. It's a fucking knife.
50:23
I'm grabbing the as long as as long as that thing is locking.
50:26
Your handle, yeah, it is a vacuum cleaner.
50:28
As long as it's locking it up, I'm grabbing the fuck out that
50:32
thing. Look at the fucking ship now.
50:33
It's a rotor. Look at the look at the seats.
50:36
You know what's crazy? That's a S15 trans in there.
50:39
It's called style, sweetie. Look up.
50:41
There rotor. It can't be bought, but that's a
50:43
S15 trans I'm pretty sure. What?
50:46
The rear tail end of that I'm pretty sure is an S15.
50:50
It might be, it might be is. It not and it shares it with the
50:54
S2000 as well. Yes, just the back.
50:58
What you mean the? Back like the like the actual
51:00
gearbox, the actual. Yeah, the coolest part was the
51:03
back seats. The.
51:03
Center. Console went all the way back.
51:05
Right kind. Of like, Oh yeah, this shit like
51:08
a Bentley for real. Individual seats, chairs, you
51:12
could even call them. Yep, I wonder.
51:13
I wonder what was in that little.
51:15
Oh, it's probably the handle. I'll tell you what.
51:17
Where? Right there on the door.
51:20
It looks like the door handle Yeah on.
51:21
The door handle, I thought. I thought an umbrella might come
51:23
out of there. Yeah, right.
51:27
Dude, this was a really car that I regrettably did not get to
51:30
own. I'm.
51:30
Surprised you didn't have one of.
51:31
These Yeah, me too. I don't know what you can get
51:33
them for now but like. Like 4 I feel like yeah.
51:35
Like 4 bucks 4 bucks 4. 1000 I know.
51:38
You can get them for like 4 grand with like you know,
51:41
100,000 miles on yeah or something like.
51:42
That but then you. Don't want to buy that.
51:44
Now you're now you're gambling. Yeah, I mean, you've been
51:46
gambling. You're like you've been
51:48
gambling. You're like OK, tired with the
51:51
Lotto. I didn't even realize I was
51:52
gambling until after I bought my WRXI.
51:54
Like bought it and then realized everybody's like.
52:00
No but dude my other friends who are like you all skate by.
52:06
Yeah, 'cause they checked their oil.
52:07
They do the things that are needed for the car.
52:10
Yeah, it's crazy. 85,000 miles online.
52:13
Still original transmission, original engine.
52:16
Better. Better pumpkin, that is.
52:20
What other preventative maintenance have you done
52:22
though? All right, so it gets oil
52:25
changes every 3000 miles 3. Yeah, synthetic.
52:28
Yeah, Modal 8100. Holy.
52:31
Crap, dude. Yeah, that thing's living
52:33
forever blue. OEM filter a lot of dudes will
52:36
like swear by like the Tokyo Roki filters and stuff like
52:39
that. I'm like OE Ms. fine gets the
52:41
job done. Just follow maintenance like
52:47
plugs every 60K. Make sure there's oil in it.
52:49
Make sure there's oil in it. Yeah, check the oil every other
52:51
time you fill up. And you take this thing pretty
52:53
far because obviously your your work probably takes you pretty
52:56
far. Yeah, I put like 12,000 miles a
52:57
year on it. Jesus.
52:59
Yeah, yeah, it's fine. It doesn't.
53:02
I just did a 400 mile trip last weekend and didn't lose a drop
53:06
of oil. How many, how many miles are in
53:08
it? A. 112 I got it at 28.
53:11
So now you now you are probably looking at the timing valve.
53:15
Oh. Yeah.
53:16
Oh, you did that again, Like you did that because that's 100,000
53:20
miles. That's that's.
53:21
Like 90,000 if you're you. It's 10 years, they say like 10
53:24
years or 100K, but we did it early because I did it like when
53:29
the car was 10 years old, so like 2022 and the tensioner was
53:33
weeping a little bit like we pulled the timing cover off.
53:35
The tensioner was losing some some fluid, but it's like just
53:41
don't beat the shit out of it. Like that's, that's what all
53:43
these dudes do is they like get them and then they like bang
53:46
them off limiter gear for gear for gear and then they're like,
53:49
why blow up? And it's like.
53:51
The head gaskets will blow. Though dude, there's just like a
53:53
different level of like beating them up.
53:55
It's crazy. The turbo cars were never an
53:57
issue with the head gaskets. Turbo cars came from the factory
54:00
with MLS head. Gaskets, yeah, yeah, everyone
54:02
always swears by the the OEMSTI head gaskets, the NA.
54:08
DJs from the early twos that like late 90s early 2000s up
54:11
until 2010, those had the head gasket issues.
54:14
So anytime you see anybody making fun of Subaru WRXS for
54:18
head gaskets doesn't exist. Those are all the Subarus that
54:22
my brother loves. Yeah, they're in that window
54:25
that you just did that those years are the Subarus that my
54:31
brother specifically. I mean, they were still like,
54:35
they put flat fours from Subaru in airplanes, you know, like
54:38
they're reliable engines. You just have to actually take
54:41
care of them. EJ22, Indestructible.
54:43
You put a quarter million miles on it, EJ. 22 Which one is that?
54:46
What is that? It's.
54:46
From like the GC 8 like late. 90s yeah, dude, that's the one.
54:50
Two liter, that's the one that my brother has.
54:52
Tons of them. You can't blow those up.
54:55
You can't. Yeah, A.
54:58
Couple of hours yeah, I I put a turbo on it.
55:01
Remember that one I would drive here from time to time with the
55:03
the white 1 and I was driving home from here and the timing
55:05
belt snapped. Oh my God, that was.
55:08
Sounds like maintenance to. Me, that was dude, we just did
55:12
it. I don't know what freak accident
55:13
it was really. I did it or not.
55:15
I did it. My brother.
55:16
My brother had it like thousands of miles prior to that but
55:20
within the window not. It just snapped, but then we
55:24
replaced it and it just ran totally fine.
55:25
Yeah, well, I have my buddy Ricky out in Nevada.
55:29
He had he has he might still have it GD chassis.
55:33
I think it was a BLOB eye and the the Cam sprocket snapped off
55:38
one day like he was driving it. The whole Cam sprocket snapped
55:42
off and he thought the car was done.
55:44
Like he was like, well that's game over because they're
55:46
interference engines. So it's like you're cooked.
55:49
So jokingly I think he was like recording and he went in to like
55:52
Rev the car more or something like that.
55:54
He's like whatever it's done. They like took that car and they
55:58
redid the timing on it and everything and he's still
56:00
driving it. Yeah, dude, that's exactly what
56:03
that's exactly what happened to us.
56:05
Yeah, the 2 liters and the 2.2 liters sometimes.
56:08
You get lucky. Sometimes you get lucky.
56:10
Well, sometimes you get lucky. I looked it up just as you said,
56:13
interference motor and after I popped the timing cover off and
56:17
saw that the timing belt was just non existent, I was like oh
56:21
done. And then we've just put the
56:24
timing. My brother came over, put a new
56:25
timing belt on it, turned it on, shit was totally fine.
56:29
No smoke or. Anything.
56:30
No, it just turned right on. I was driving mint.
56:33
Yeah, that's lucky. If like, the belt ends up in a
56:36
spot where it's chafing, that's going to, you know, eat the belt
56:41
real fast. Oh, OK.
56:42
Something like that. Like if it's not, if the guides
56:44
aren't quite there, like the guides were installed improperly
56:47
or something like that, it's going to chafe the belt.
56:50
And after so many, you know, thousands of Revs, it's just
56:53
going to like eat the belt through.
56:55
I've seen that happen also. Or Amazon timing belts.
56:59
I was going to say Gates timing belt kits don't do it.
57:04
Really don't do. It you're not good.
57:05
No. The blue one, everybody, Yeah,
57:07
everybody knows the blue one I've.
57:08
Never seen any problems with them but.
57:10
Dude, no. In the Subaru world you don't do
57:13
a gates kit like ever. It's not necessarily a belt
57:16
itself, it's all the other components.
57:18
Like if you can get a gates kit that's 100% made in the US.
57:22
Yeah, I heard something about like some of them not being made
57:25
if. Your Gates kit has made in China
57:27
parts on it, like bearings, rollers, stuff like that.
57:30
That stuff is prone to failure. That's why like OEM is
57:33
recommended, Azin is recommended and that's like it.
57:37
If you if you're like selling the car tomorrow, throw a Gates
57:40
kit at it. Nobody's gonna, you know, like,
57:45
I mean like a Gates kit is significantly cheaper from what
57:48
I remember. But like, you know, if you want
57:52
to risk that, go ahead. It's a 10,000.
57:54
Dollars Johnny was talking about Gates 2 like that.
57:57
He was, he was saying something. I'm trying to think what I've
57:59
run a Gates timing belt on, but I don't think I use all eyes and
58:04
shit just because it's usually an option.
58:07
Yeah, and that's usually what it says on the OEM shit, so that's
58:11
what I buy. Yeah, my wife's Impreza is
58:13
running a Gates kit. Knock on wood.
58:16
You're a crazy guy bro. Oh my, my buddy did the the
58:21
timing job on it and he was like, yeah, I'll just order the
58:23
parts like no worries. And I show up with the car for
58:26
him to like do the timing job and it's a Gates kit.
58:28
And I was just like, well, this car sees like 4000 miles a year
58:31
so. I think it'd be fine.
58:33
Yeah, it's been a few. Years.
58:34
It's better than what was on there, probably.
58:36
Yeah, yeah, for sure. So what was on there?
58:38
It was definitely cooked. You know, like this car only has
58:43
to last another like three to four years on to somebody else.
58:47
So when you when you got here, you said something to me that I
58:49
want to bring up. You said you're like, he said.
58:52
I didn't get into cars till I was like, how old were you, 30?
58:55
Man, like I didn't have a car in my own name with my own title
59:00
until I was like 2526 and. You didn't get into cars till
59:04
then. So I was like soft into cars,
59:07
you know, I would like watch Top Gear.
59:08
I was like new to GTR was all this stuff.
59:11
But like, I never had the accessibility to cars as a
59:15
younger person. I lived in, I come from this
59:20
place in PA called Coatesville. It's a former steel town.
59:24
You know, it's kind of gone the way all the steel towns have
59:26
gone. They're kind of like in a sad
59:27
state now. And I lived there and it was
59:29
like this town that's bordering poverty basically.
59:34
And I lived in a, a little borough of South Coatesville
59:38
called Modena. So it's like even more to
59:42
bordering on property. Like lots of people like coming
59:44
in and out rental properties, like very working class, if
59:47
that. And so after 6th grade, I was
59:51
going to get put in this special school that Coatesville was
59:53
starting up like a new like revolutionary tech school with
59:58
laptops and everything. And this was just part of the
1:00:01
public school system. And then that like fell apart.
1:00:04
It flopped. It collapsed like before.
1:00:07
The first, you know, year started, so my parents were
1:00:10
like, well, we don't want you just go into another school in
1:00:13
this school system that's like not doing that well where you're
1:00:16
not going to get the proper, you know, amount of attention or
1:00:19
education or whatever. My family is all very educated,
1:00:24
like basically everybody in my family's going to college
1:00:26
graduated. We've got doctors, lawyers, like
1:00:29
everything, but they were like, we're going to do our best to
1:00:34
get you the best education that you can have.
1:00:36
So they sent me to this public or not public, this private
1:00:39
school that was like 30 minutes away.
1:00:41
It's a boarding school. It's like 180 boys basically.
1:00:44
I didn't want to live there. I didn't live there.
1:00:46
I actually went there from 7th to 12th grade.
1:00:48
Didn't spend one night there. But sports were mandatory, like
1:00:53
after school sports. So I'd get on a bus at like 6:00
1:00:57
AM and I'd get home from there at like 6:00 PM like Monday
1:01:02
through Friday. So I.
1:01:03
Had that 12 hours away from the house.
1:01:05
Yeah, as a child. Yeah, for six years, really so.
1:01:11
I want to go home and have APB and J right away.
1:01:14
Yeah, I had. You're crazy.
1:01:15
I like for one, I had no time to have like a job or anything like
1:01:19
that because being a private school, there was a lot of
1:01:22
education, like you had a lot of like homework and stuff like
1:01:25
that. And luckily, like this was a
1:01:27
very, very subsidized private school.
1:01:29
Like my parents don't make a lot of money.
1:01:31
We don't come from a lot of money like.
1:01:33
So we're luckily in a situation where the school is very
1:01:36
subsidized and you could like afford to send your kids there.
1:01:41
But I had no time to have a job. And I also had no reason to like
1:01:47
have a car really because I was getting bussed there one way and
1:01:49
my parents were picking me up the other way.
1:01:51
And I also had no friends with cars because like, most of the
1:01:56
kids lived at the school and I had one best friend outside of
1:02:01
there who still went to public school and like, he wasn't a car
1:02:04
guy. So like, high school for me was
1:02:08
not a time where I had cars. I was actually terrified of
1:02:10
driving. I didn't get my license until I
1:02:13
was almost 19. I was absolutely terrified of
1:02:16
driving. So then I went to Philly for
1:02:20
college, and you don't need a car in Philly either.
1:02:23
Yeah. You know, when I was at Drexel,
1:02:24
and Drexel is a school that doesn't have summer vacation.
1:02:29
I had the first summer after freshman year off.
1:02:33
And then after that, you're in class year round.
1:02:35
You have like really a week or two off between semesters.
1:02:38
Yeah, my, my bachelor's degree was like 180 credits, which is
1:02:42
like a master's at a lot of other.
1:02:44
Places my. Gosh, what the fuck?
1:02:46
Wait, what major did you graduate with?
1:02:48
Digital media BS and digital media so.
1:02:52
What the fuck? How many, How many, How many?
1:02:55
Is a normal one. Don't.
1:02:56
Be asking me that it's. Like 120 to 100 and. 30 I think
1:02:59
120 is the number that I was thinking of.
1:03:01
So I spent basically like from 6th grade until I was like 22,
1:03:08
just like immersed in school like completely that was it.
1:03:13
That was the life, you know, And so I had no time for cars or
1:03:17
anything like that. And also I just came from such
1:03:18
a, an impoverished area and a place where, you know, we didn't
1:03:22
have a lot of money. Like I specifically remember a
1:03:23
time being like a little tiny kid, like four or five years old
1:03:27
in like daycare and like the daycare attendees like pointing
1:03:32
out to each other that I had a raggedy old like bred tie for a
1:03:37
zipper pull because the zipper had broken off my coat.
1:03:40
Like we didn't like everything was hand me down, you know all
1:03:43
that. My mom worked on farms, like
1:03:45
horse farms. You know, my dad had a good
1:03:47
office job, but my mom like was always working on horse farms.
1:03:52
So I came from like a very kind of mixed like low middle class.
1:03:57
So when did the need for the car just occur?
1:04:00
I was like after college I started to need a car more and
1:04:04
more and all through late college I was borrowing friends
1:04:06
cars and stuff like that. My best friend, him and his
1:04:10
little brother and all of his cousins all had Volvos.
1:04:13
So like my like late teens, early 20s were spent under a
1:04:18
Volvo 240. Oh, that's all my neighbor got.
1:04:21
240 or no? Yeah, turbo wagon and wagon
1:04:27
actually 2 wagons that he got a boxy guy.
1:04:31
I like, I like new Volvos. OK.
1:04:34
I was like, these are damn cool cars.
1:04:36
But like after college it was moved back home for a little bit
1:04:41
or I was staying in the city with my girlfriend at her
1:04:44
parents house. Their parents owned a house in
1:04:46
West Philly because her brother had gone to school before us and
1:04:49
they were like, we'll just buy a house and rent it out to people
1:04:52
and you won't have to pay rent. But after so long, it just
1:04:56
became like my mom was like, you need a car here, take my old
1:04:59
car. So my first car was my mom's 96.
1:05:03
Geoprism. Geoprism. the Hatch.
1:05:07
No, it's not a hatch. It's a sedan.
1:05:08
Yeah. Geo I know.
1:05:10
What that is? Yeah, Geo was like.
1:05:11
A it's like a Corolla. Yeah, it was.
1:05:13
That's what it was, yeah. She bought, she bought this car
1:05:16
brand. She leased it in 96 brand new.
1:05:19
It was, Yep, fine. Frankie Black beans.
1:05:23
Yeah. He hasn't.
1:05:24
That's a Corolla. But that just.
1:05:27
Like that? That's Frankie Beans right
1:05:28
there. Yeah.
1:05:29
So we had this car in our family for 20 years and it became mine
1:05:34
at like 220,000 miles. Nice.
1:05:37
And it it still got like 35 to 40 miles to the gallon.
1:05:42
Malcolm right there to the right of that, to the right of that
1:05:44
one. They don't make them like they
1:05:45
used to. Nope.
1:05:46
Bottle fives. Hell yeah.
1:05:48
That has got to be in the no. It's in Massachusetts, but I
1:05:50
thought it was in the Philippines.
1:05:52
That's like something you would see in the Philippines.
1:05:54
I had a Corolla 4AF Efe. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:06:00
Like a 1.6? Yep.
1:06:02
Or if you got the prism I think LSI or GSI you can get a 1.8.
1:06:08
But anyway this was my first car and I had it until like 2016
1:06:14
when I bought my Mazda. But this was this was it.
1:06:18
This was my ride. And then what?
1:06:19
You had the Mazda 6 Mazda. 3. Yeah, Mazda 3 four-cylinder.
1:06:23
Yeah, but the Geo is just mechanically it was good, but it
1:06:27
was rotten through. Like the rockers were completely
1:06:30
gone, the B pillars were gone. Like at the rocker.
1:06:34
Like you could see into the rocker there was.
1:06:36
Half of it's going to fly away or what's?
1:06:38
Up this much of the B pillar was gone.
1:06:40
The bottom of the B pillar was just non existent.
1:06:43
So. I drove that thing until like it
1:06:46
was like, if I get T boned, somebody's just going to drive
1:06:50
through me and keep going. I was like, I need a newer car.
1:06:54
I need something new. So I got back from a trip and
1:07:00
found this Mazda 3 at a local dealership because I was a
1:07:02
Toyota dealership and I wanted it.
1:07:04
I've been doing a lot. I still didn't know much about
1:07:06
cars like originally I was gonna look into like a newer like
1:07:10
Corolla S like an 07:00-ish. Yes.
1:07:13
Ohh those are good two ZZ, you know.
1:07:15
Those were cool. You know, just a Corolla with.
1:07:17
Like everything about Toyota. Just just, just just Toyota,
1:07:20
just. Like Toyota engines in a
1:07:22
Corolla. I'm like what?
1:07:23
Yeah, dude, dude, I have had like a bunch of these Toyotas
1:07:26
like it's. Just so crazy.
1:07:27
Dude 2 ZZ good, one ZZ no good. That's all you need to know.
1:07:32
Like one ZZ likes to blow up, two ZZ less likely to blow.
1:07:36
Up is it in a sports car or any sort or no that's.
1:07:38
No, it's up in a Toyota Matrix. OK.
1:07:41
Yeah, I kind of looked into a matrix too.
1:07:43
Yo X you get. These with all-wheel drive,
1:07:45
yeah, but they only came in automatic with all-wheel drive
1:07:48
and also. So you wanted you wanted a
1:07:50
manual? Yeah.
1:07:51
So was the GO manual. The GO was manual, yeah.
1:07:54
Oh dude, that was problem. That's how you got introduced
1:07:57
to. My mom was the stick shift
1:07:58
driver in the car or in the family?
1:08:00
Yeah. And that was that was it.
1:08:01
It was like between her and my friend's dad who had inherited,
1:08:07
unlike 87 Isuzu Trooper diesel manual.
1:08:12
I learned to drive stick on those two cars and it was like
1:08:15
the trooper. You literally could not stall it
1:08:18
out. Like it would just punish you.
1:08:20
Like if you got the shift wrong, you know, or the timing wrong or
1:08:22
whatever. Just just it wouldn't shut off.
1:08:26
It would just keep like. Wait, I want to see this.
1:08:29
Guy, it was just a little high enough just so that it can like
1:08:31
keep it going. Yeah, 'cause this diesel, it had
1:08:34
so much torque, like it couldn't die.
1:08:35
Isuzu Trooper. Diesel though 87.
1:08:38
I didn't even know that that was 8687.
1:08:40
I think that it's called the trooper.
1:08:41
Like dude, you know? How?
1:08:43
It has. Come on.
1:08:44
It. Had like seats out of an RV in
1:08:46
it or something so they were super.
1:08:48
Damn. Bro I need.
1:08:50
This. It was white.
1:08:51
Yeah, it looked like this. Yep.
1:08:52
Dude, what? Yeah.
1:08:54
That's a diesel I don't. I don't know what that one is,
1:08:56
but you could get them the one that's.
1:08:58
Sweet. Learned on was a diesel.
1:09:00
Yeah, cool cars. Oh, I would have kept that man.
1:09:02
I know. Holy crap, I I might have to
1:09:04
look into this shit. They got ball joints on that
1:09:07
shit. I do not want to go.
1:09:09
They don't want to do this again.
1:09:10
Yeah, they don't got that situation.
1:09:13
That thing looks like if you had a kid draw a truck.
1:09:18
Or a Jeep. Yeah.
1:09:20
Bro. That's a Cherokee if you fucking
1:09:22
drew like a rectangle. Dude, this is.
1:09:26
Cool man. It was a cool car.
1:09:28
It looked kind of like that one with like the roof rack on it.
1:09:31
I think it had some some like sibbies on the front of it or
1:09:33
something but like it was. 4 cylinder or.
1:09:37
I think it was. I didn't know too much about it
1:09:39
at the time. That's like an extremely foreign
1:09:42
looking, yeah. I'm shocked this is even in this
1:09:44
country. Yeah.
1:09:45
Yeah, it was like it had been, it had been my friend's family's
1:09:49
like grandfather's car and then it got passed down.
1:09:52
I think he passed away or something and it got passed down
1:09:54
to like my friend's parents. And it was, it wasn't like a
1:09:58
daily or anything. It was just like they had like 7
1:10:01
cars at all times. Different cars for different
1:10:03
purposes, but it was like the car they take out in like a
1:10:06
snowstorm, stuff like that. It was a tank.
1:10:08
They were like, yeah, that is the tank of the family.
1:10:11
Like there's always that. It had like I think it had like
1:10:13
locking dips like 4 low. Fire like, that's what I'm
1:10:16
saying bro. That's why I was looking at this
1:10:18
bro. Isuzu makes the diesel.
1:10:20
Fucking. Engines, dude, you're.
1:10:21
Telling me this is going to be a piece of crap.
1:10:24
They make the Duramax too. Oh.
1:10:29
You know what I'm? Saying make the best diesel
1:10:31
engines. They had it for a while and then
1:10:33
like it was basically like it was basically like farm tractor
1:10:36
status, you know, like it was never going to really like be
1:10:39
Rd. worthy anymore like rotten out all this stuff.
1:10:44
I think somebody else ended up buying it and actually like
1:10:46
turning it into their like farm truck.
1:10:47
Yeah, but it was a fun truck to to kind of learn on and get I.
1:10:51
Wonder how much those? Costs.
1:10:52
I'm dumb checking. Carl's already on Marketplace I.
1:10:55
Just want to know real quick because like why is that?
1:11:01
So when did you start? I mean, you were going to school
1:11:02
for photography, kind of. I went to school mostly for
1:11:06
animation. Really.
1:11:08
Yeah, the photography thing. My dad got me my first camera
1:11:12
when I graduated high school. He got me a Canon Rebel.
1:11:15
OK. And, but like all through like
1:11:18
maybe late middle school and high school, I was obsessed with
1:11:21
cameras. Like when I when my, when I
1:11:23
finished fifth grade, my like fifth grade graduation gift from
1:11:27
my parents that I asked for was a Polaroid izone.
1:11:29
Do you guys remember those? Yeah, wait, what's a izone?
1:11:32
Skinny camera. Yeah, it had like with the
1:11:35
imprints out the bigger. Little no, this is little
1:11:38
thumbnail size pictures. Yeah, yeah.
1:11:41
Yep, this yo. Oh my God.
1:11:44
Ah, dude, I. Yeah.
1:11:46
So I had one of these in year 2000.
1:11:47
Why don't we still have? These we do.
1:11:50
It's called the iPhone. No, fuck that shit.
1:11:53
The. Instant camera thing has just
1:11:54
blown up. You can get so many different
1:11:55
instant cameras dude. Seriously.
1:11:57
I mean, we can. I didn't get.
1:11:58
One of those, yeah, maybe we should hit like a little
1:12:00
fashion. So I had one of these and then
1:12:03
like I was always swiping my parents like point and shoot or
1:12:06
like camcorder or whatever to make stupid little like videos
1:12:08
with like action figures and stuff like that.
1:12:10
I was just obsessed with all of it, you know, So I thought I
1:12:13
wanted to be an engineer. And then like senior year of
1:12:16
high school, we had like a guest engineer come in and like,
1:12:19
somebody's like, oh, what's it like being an engineer?
1:12:21
And he just like, flat out was like, well, get ready to sit at
1:12:23
a desk all day and do a lot of paperwork.
1:12:25
And I was just like. That guy fucked.
1:12:28
You up I was like dude like well because I wanted to be hands on
1:12:32
you know like I took AI took a shot class where we like
1:12:34
disassembled a 2 stroke motor and had to put it back together
1:12:37
like and make it run I. Loved that stuff, I did too.
1:12:40
I was like, all about it, you know, So I wanted to be more
1:12:44
probably of like a machinist or something than an actual
1:12:47
engineer. But like, I don't know, I just
1:12:50
like, I wanted to be creative and I wanted to do something
1:12:52
with my hands. I didn't want to sit at a desk
1:12:54
all day. And it just kind of turned into
1:12:57
like, we found the digital media program at Drexel, which was
1:13:01
still fairly early on. And I was like, whoa,
1:13:03
animation's cool. Like I like gaming and like,
1:13:05
I've always wondered how like 3D is done and like movies and
1:13:08
stuff like that. So my dad got me this camera and
1:13:12
then three months later I started at Drexel and like I was
1:13:15
always taking photos, like always.
1:13:18
Like anytime I had free time, the camera was out and I was
1:13:23
really big in a paintball. So I was on Drexel's collegiate
1:13:27
paintball team and I was always out at the field taking action,
1:13:31
photos, paintball and stuff like that.
1:13:34
And it just kind of evolved from there.
1:13:35
I finished Drexel, got my degree, didn't really know what
1:13:40
to do with it. It's really like, and you move
1:13:43
to California and you work for like Pixar or something, you
1:13:45
know, like there's not a whole lot of stuff that was like in my
1:13:47
realm around here. Well, like, no.
1:13:49
If you think about it, there wasn't like a path.
1:13:52
Yeah, it's pretty. They say now the movies are
1:13:55
coming to this area again. Yeah.
1:13:57
You know, like, are they really? In Morristown.
1:14:00
I don't know. Wherever they're making that
1:14:01
Netflix, the. Fucking yeah, yeah, facility.
1:14:03
That might be what I'm talking about.
1:14:04
We. Got like, you know, M Night
1:14:06
Shyamalan, he's a local Philly guy, makes all of his movies
1:14:10
like kind of in like the Philly. Surroundings.
1:14:12
All that like. The guy who made No, I'm
1:14:15
thinking about Michael Bay. That was the Transformer movie.
1:14:18
Little different. I'm like.
1:14:20
What the fuck? He's a Philly native.
1:14:22
He knows Reese Marin. What I.
1:14:26
Mean I don't know where Michael Bay is from, but different
1:14:28
different. Genre, but no, it's definitely
1:14:30
not M Night Shyamalan or whatever.
1:14:32
Yeah, so I was just like, I don't really know what to do.
1:14:35
I ended up getting like after, you know, like 6 months, I got a
1:14:39
job at like this startup and that didn't go great.
1:14:43
It was like super wishy washy, this woman who was kind of just
1:14:47
like pulling the wool over the eyes of all of these like fresh
1:14:49
college graduates who didn't know any better.
1:14:52
Like. That lasted for like 8 months of
1:14:55
being on and off. Like started off.
1:14:56
You're like, yeah, I got this full time job.
1:14:58
And then like two months later, hey, we're not doing well.
1:15:00
We're taking everybody down to like one day a week and like one
1:15:05
day, dude, it was. Damn, they dragged it down so
1:15:07
they didn't lay you off, but they didn't fire you.
1:15:10
It was so they didn't have to pay out.
1:15:11
It's so silly, man. They were trying to put together
1:15:14
this software that would like be for patient education, for like
1:15:17
medical procedures and stuff. So like basically your doctor
1:15:20
could come in with an iPad and show you like a 3D animation of
1:15:24
them, like putting a stent in your heart or whatever, and be
1:15:26
like, this is what we're going to do.
1:15:27
What's a funny break? Here's what's wrong with you.
1:15:31
And it's just like you like your heart failing, Yeah.
1:15:34
There's a visual aid like. Look like like right here is
1:15:37
often just gonna this. Is what's gonna happen.
1:15:39
Here's the aorta. Yeah, it is fucking exploding.
1:15:43
Your aorta looks like a party balloon right now, but don't
1:15:45
worry, we're gonna fix it as soon as we finish making this
1:15:47
soft. Look, we got this cool animation
1:15:49
for you, yeah? Like this is what your heart's
1:15:50
gonna look like when it explodes.
1:15:52
So I guess it was not for that. It was more like this is how
1:15:54
we're gonna help fix. It yeah, it's like, here's a
1:15:58
little education on like, and how this is going to go down.
1:16:00
But it was so unrealistic. I mean, they, they like
1:16:05
everything was so sketched, like we were running like cracked,
1:16:08
like student versions of software, like all this stuff
1:16:11
that was like so bad. And the way it would work would
1:16:15
be if you wanted a job there, you would take on a month of
1:16:18
unpaid internship. And then like from there they
1:16:22
would decide whether like you're worthy or not.
1:16:24
This place is saving money bro bro bro.
1:16:27
That is literally the epitome of just somebody who preys on,
1:16:31
yeah, what James just mentioned, like fresh new grads, because
1:16:34
that is exactly what I fell into.
1:16:36
And then not really no, but similarly just different, like a
1:16:43
different medium. Yeah, but they're still going
1:16:46
after. You fresh college grads and they
1:16:48
know that you could overwork the fuck out of a college grad
1:16:50
thing. Oh.
1:16:51
Yeah, dude, dude, my, my commute one way was like 60 miles or
1:16:55
something. Stupid fuck that.
1:16:57
Stupid. And it was like, for some reason
1:16:59
we didn't have like, the company didn't have enough money to
1:17:01
like, pay us really. But when this was like the year
1:17:05
The Hobbit came out, the first Hobbit, the movie, Yeah.
1:17:09
What the They took the like all 15 of us to go see The Hobbit in
1:17:13
3D. That's a write off.
1:17:15
That's a write off. What are we doing here?
1:17:17
They had to offset something. You.
1:17:18
Know and like what? Are we doing here?
1:17:20
I need to drop it down. It tried to be the like, cool
1:17:22
start up vibe or like, you know, The Office has like an arcade
1:17:25
game in it and like there's Nerf guns everywhere and all this
1:17:28
shit. Pay us.
1:17:29
Yeah, yeah. We don't want the nerf guns.
1:17:31
You know, like after being there for like 8 months of like I was
1:17:37
like January 2013 or whatever, like I'm still only coming in
1:17:40
like 1 day a week or whatever, living at home, you know, trying
1:17:43
to figure my shit out. By like April or May.
1:17:46
They were like, hey, good news, we've got like money and we're
1:17:48
going to bring everybody back full time.
1:17:50
And it's like cool. And then, like in June, they
1:17:53
fired me. I'm taking the severance.
1:17:58
Fire me all you want. The next job that I go to and
1:18:00
they ask what happened, I'm gonna literally tell them I
1:18:03
worked at a shit hole. Dude, they made-up.
1:18:05
They would try to get us to do stuff that physically was not
1:18:08
possible because we were using cracked software and they
1:18:11
wouldn't pay for proper funding for anything.
1:18:13
And it's like you just like kept going back to people and being
1:18:17
like, I've spent 40 hours trying to turn water into wine here.
1:18:19
Like so they would just. Sell these animations to like
1:18:22
doctors. Oh, they didn't.
1:18:23
Even get they didn't even get that far dude.
1:18:25
What were they doing? What were y'all doing?
1:18:27
Dude, I don't. Like we were trying.
1:18:30
We were trying. Meanwhile, like I remember being
1:18:32
there late at night one night like me and three other people
1:18:35
and the boss is still there and she's back in her office and
1:18:38
like somebody knocks at the door and she goes and answers it and
1:18:41
it's a drug dealer. OK, I had a feeling that
1:18:44
something else was going on here.
1:18:45
So like her and her drug dealer go back in the office and then
1:18:48
like 20 minutes later we're out there still working.
1:18:50
It's like 7:00 at night. Drug dealer comes back out and
1:18:53
leaves. This woman walks out with like 2
1:18:55
oz. She's just like.
1:18:56
Yeah. Like, we're like, we've been
1:19:01
here for 12 hours and you're just like shaking $300 worth of
1:19:04
drugs in front of us and like, you know.
1:19:06
Like is she Sharon? Why the fuck is the reason
1:19:09
they're showing your employees? It's crazy.
1:19:11
Where's the decorum? So.
1:19:12
So were you taking photos of cars at this point yet or no?
1:19:16
No. No, this was like still four
1:19:19
years, 4 1/2 years before I started taking pictures of cars.
1:19:23
So the whole time you kind of just, I'm going to assume you
1:19:25
like were just finding, yeah, like What Car drove by where you
1:19:31
were just like click, there it is you.
1:19:36
Know what I mean dude? Like Club, Loose was my first
1:19:38
introduction to shooting calls. Well, how did you even find?
1:19:40
Yeah. How the hell did that happen?
1:19:42
So I after after I got fired from this place because
1:19:46
apparently I was like argumentative and wouldn't do
1:19:48
what they said and was combat of it.
1:19:50
And all it was was me trying to tell them, hey, the shit you're
1:19:53
trying to do is unrealistic and it's not going to work.
1:19:55
Like you're just wasting your time.
1:19:58
Or you can actually put the money into like getting us
1:20:00
properly funded with like real software and stuff.
1:20:03
Yeah, that place folded fast. Like first they fired me because
1:20:08
they got a new 3D intern in, you know, who was going to work for
1:20:12
a month for free. So they fired me.
1:20:15
But then they got to get the next person lined up and then
1:20:16
like. Three months later, they fired
1:20:18
all the 3D guys like completely. So like this whole medical
1:20:22
project gone like entirely, you know, because it was me and a
1:20:26
couple other dudes from my graduating class at Drexel who
1:20:28
ended up there. And so like we were all out by
1:20:32
like the middle of 2013. So, and then that place has
1:20:36
since folded, you know, 12 years ago now.
1:20:38
That place has hard folded at this point.
1:20:41
Do you think back on that time as a time that you, I don't
1:20:45
know, do you think you could have used that time more
1:20:49
beneficially? Because like, I think back on it
1:20:52
sometimes. And there's there's there's
1:20:53
points in my life where I'm like, I could have done
1:20:55
something else, but really that showed me like something that I
1:20:59
shouldn't be doing. So I was like, all right, yeah.
1:21:02
I guess I'll take that as a learning.
1:21:03
Yeah, I think. A big lesson in life is that
1:21:07
doing stuff can teach you what you want to do, and it can also
1:21:10
teach you what you don't want to do.
1:21:12
And like that was the moment where I decided like, I don't
1:21:16
want to do 3D anymore. Like unfortunately all through
1:21:19
college it was like you'd have these professors who they're
1:21:22
very book smart and they know what they're talking about, but
1:21:24
they're not really people people.
1:21:26
So you'd be on your own for everything.
1:21:29
It's like they whizzed through like a three hour class.
1:21:32
Like here's how to use Adobe Illustrator.
1:21:34
And then you're like project's due next week and you're like
1:21:38
dog like I don't know, you know, so.
1:21:41
Project. Yeah, like what is happening?
1:21:44
College taught me to be very self reliant and self
1:21:47
resourceful just because like if you didn't teach yourself how to
1:21:51
do this stuff, nobody was going to teach you how to do it.
1:21:54
That was. Crazy.
1:21:55
It's like not the point of college.
1:21:57
Yeah, dude, No, no, no. Like college, you're right.
1:22:00
Like I, but you're. Supposed to be taught the.
1:22:02
Takeaways that I got from college were like, how to
1:22:06
survive. Yeah, Like, that's it.
1:22:09
Yeah, that was it. It's like how close to this
1:22:11
deadline can I get to this with doing the minimal amount of
1:22:14
work? And get through.
1:22:16
No, that's literally it. That's efficiency, is it not?
1:22:21
It's like the least amount of time I need to get this task.
1:22:25
But don't you want to like do this at a?
1:22:26
Satisfactory rate. That is the, that is the, that
1:22:30
is the you. Don't want to get it done like
1:22:31
early. Satisfactory rate.
1:22:33
That's it. You think I graduated college
1:22:36
with a four O? Oh dude.
1:22:38
You look like a four O type of I.
1:22:39
Got a 3-4 but I had a 299. Dude, I was like so mad that I
1:22:44
didn't get a three and I was like.
1:22:46
Motherfucker, I just, I wanted the three I wanted.
1:22:49
I wanted the little sash guy and I was short.
1:22:51
Yeah, I was short. You need a 3/5 for that so that
1:22:54
you could get the cum loud. Wait, what's that?
1:22:57
That's the cum laude. Yeah, it's like.
1:23:00
I don't think it's cum loud. Yeah, it's.
1:23:02
Cum loud. OK.
1:23:05
Type it in. Type it in.
1:23:07
Type it in on Google. See, Malcolm definitely got that
1:23:09
though when he he. He make sure it's safe, search
1:23:11
what was. Your GPA?
1:23:14
Look, I think mine was 3.1 or something really well, Why?
1:23:22
Are you a job that you look smart?
1:23:25
131 is. Great.
1:23:27
What are you Carl? And Carl had a What was your
1:23:29
degree in? Oh, business Admin.
1:23:31
Oh, now we're comparing the. Grades, I mean mine was in like
1:23:33
sciences and health stuff. Mine was so easy.
1:23:36
What do you like? I did not learn anything.
1:23:40
Yeah, I, I learned a lot, I'm not going to lie.
1:23:42
So I went into college like. I'm jealous.
1:23:44
A lot of these kids had programs in high school where they were
1:23:47
learning Photoshop, Illustrator, like maybe even some animation
1:23:51
stuff. Like I had nothing like that in
1:23:52
college or in high school, like nothing.
1:23:55
So I came in completely unaware. My first time opening Photoshop
1:24:00
was a cracked version of CS3 that a friend gave to me the
1:24:05
summer before I started college. So.
1:24:07
I hit that little generator guy the key Gen. and that shit is
1:24:10
playing the song. Do you know what I'm talking
1:24:12
about? Yeah, to crack.
1:24:13
Yeah, there used to be. To crack the software, allegedly
1:24:19
Photoshop. I don't know what this shit is.
1:24:21
You would you would need to type in the code because when you buy
1:24:24
a software there's like they give you a code in the box.
1:24:26
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but there was like a crack
1:24:29
and I forget which which software it was.
1:24:31
If it was Photoshop, it was Sony Vegas, whatever, but it would
1:24:35
like play this tune. It was like, it was like, it was
1:24:38
really like ominous sounding 64 bit song and then it would like
1:24:43
play while you're generating the key.
1:24:46
And this is illegal. Yeah, was, yeah, was.
1:24:49
I don't. Think people FBI I.
1:24:51
Don't think people do like CD. There's no real like, it's hard
1:24:54
to do. It's all online now.
1:24:56
It's all online. Everything gets.
1:24:57
Verified through the Internet, so.
1:24:58
There's no way to even like, get that shit anywhere for free.
1:25:01
If you have like if you find like ACD copy of, I don't know,
1:25:04
Photoshop from 10 years ago or something, probably yeah.
1:25:07
But like everything. So it dude, everything is
1:25:11
getting monetized. All right.
1:25:12
Before I get into that though, I want to get back to like how I
1:25:16
got from being ripped off in a three in a start up to shooting
1:25:20
cars. Yes, thank you.
1:25:22
Thank. You for that, Frankie.
1:25:25
We were about to jump another topic, I.
1:25:27
Didn't say anything I'm. Just jumping all over the place
1:25:30
here, it's OK. No, dude, one take a minute.
1:25:33
I want to take a minute to say how good of a storyteller James
1:25:35
is, because I'll listen to anything James got to say right
1:25:38
now. Like.
1:25:41
Dude, I want to know where the next job is.
1:25:43
Oh dude, the next all right, we're talking like summer 2013.
1:25:48
I'm living in this house in West Philly with my girlfriend, her
1:25:53
parents house. They don't live there, but like
1:25:54
it was me and her and a bunch of her friends that like we're all
1:25:59
finishing up their last year of college.
1:26:01
And I don't really know what I was going to do.
1:26:03
I was like lost, you know, like a lot of people who leave
1:26:06
college and like it's their source of community and
1:26:09
everything. Everybody splits apart and then
1:26:11
you're lost. You don't know what to do.
1:26:13
It's like you lost your your friends circle.
1:26:16
If they all moved away, you lost your support structure.
1:26:18
Like you're kind of like, damn. I don't, I don't really.
1:26:20
I went through like a deep depression at the end of my
1:26:22
senior year like. It was hard.
1:26:24
This is sending me. This is making my my chest,
1:26:27
like, kind of hurt. Yeah, dude, dude, that that was
1:26:31
a real ass feeling. Like, OK, Frankie doesn't know
1:26:34
because he went to Paramus University.
1:26:37
Yeah. I went to Community College so
1:26:39
it. Was a good Community College
1:26:41
bro. I never went.
1:26:42
I never like left my friends. Yeah, yeah, as you would say.
1:26:46
Yeah, you know, I'm still friends with a lot of my college
1:26:48
friends and my college friends from other colleges that I
1:26:51
didn't even go to. That's like the feeling though,
1:26:53
through my chest where it was like when it all was done, we
1:26:56
all just like, split. Yeah, it was kind of wild.
1:26:59
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like during senior year, I
1:27:03
mean, I worked myself to the bone, I took on way too much
1:27:05
work. I was doing senior project where
1:27:07
we were developing an iPad game, like in a 3D adventure iPad game
1:27:11
from scratch, OK. And that was hard because like
1:27:15
basically. Or what is the one temple run?
1:27:19
Sorry. Oh yeah, yeah.
1:27:20
Were you into like? Genre was a movie.
1:27:22
If you were the discoverer of that, you were probably the.
1:27:25
Yeah, he would not be no that. Was yeah, he wouldn't be here.
1:27:28
That was hard. And then on top of that, I was
1:27:30
taking a senior 3D animation class that like, it was
1:27:34
basically like, you had to hate yourself if you were going to
1:27:38
take on this much of A workload. And I had all my other senior
1:27:41
classes too. So it was like really long days,
1:27:43
really long nights. And like third week of April, I
1:27:47
like, had a total emotional breakdown.
1:27:52
Like I remember getting back to my apartment and like my
1:27:54
roommate wasn't there and like just chilling on the couch and
1:27:57
all of a sudden like kind of all of the repressed emotion of my
1:28:02
life. Like you're not, you know,
1:28:04
there's a point where you kind of become self aware of like
1:28:06
your emotions and like depression and anxiety and all
1:28:09
of that. And it's like up to a certain
1:28:10
point, you're just kind of like operating on autopilot and you
1:28:12
haven't really like. Fully.
1:28:13
I'm waiting for that to kick in. No, I know exactly what you're
1:28:17
talking about. It's.
1:28:18
Just like you're just living with the, you're living with the
1:28:20
insanity. It's like you just posting.
1:28:23
Yeah, yeah. So just you're getting by.
1:28:25
I just, I guess it like something in the back of my head
1:28:28
just like snapped and I just like broke and I went into like
1:28:31
my first panic attack ever and like I had no idea what that was
1:28:34
like. I was like alone.
1:28:36
No, no clue. I was just like, holy shit, am I
1:28:39
dying? Like what's going on here?
1:28:41
And for like the next week straight uncontrollable anxiety.
1:28:45
Like they like I went to like the the Drexel like Health
1:28:50
Center. They gave me some Klonopin to
1:28:52
like chill me out and make me functional and then like.
1:28:56
I had your health place gave you.
1:28:57
That. Yeah, they just gave you
1:28:58
Klonopin. Yeah, they could do that.
1:29:00
Yeah, this. Is fun they.
1:29:01
Gave me fucking amoxicillin when I thought I was fucking dying.
1:29:05
They were. Like give me some tums, take it
1:29:07
easy. What the fuck?
1:29:08
Yeah, so I. Went to Rowan, so I was kind of
1:29:11
near Philly. So I was I'm trying.
1:29:12
To I almost went to Rowan. Thank God you didn't, because
1:29:15
you turned out pretty well. Drexel gave me a better
1:29:18
scholarship. That was the only yeah, and when
1:29:21
I went that shit had nothing cool there.
1:29:23
Like not now, apparently It's pretty good now.
1:29:25
Oh, everything's pretty good now because we all spent $1,000,000.
1:29:28
Yeah, just psychologist maintained.
1:29:30
Life. It's like my tuition here this
1:29:33
window. I left and then there was like 7
1:29:35
more bars went up. A fucking urgent care, a fucking
1:29:38
hospital. Like, oh good.
1:29:40
So I went through a rough patch, uncontrollable anxiety, like
1:29:45
barely functional, you know, and that really like, it made me
1:29:49
self-conscious about like mental health and all of that.
1:29:52
And then like that summer was absolutely awful.
1:29:55
I like felt like if you've never experienced real depression, I
1:30:01
hope you never do because it's like the worst thing in the
1:30:03
world. Like unfunctional.
1:30:05
This just came out of nowhere. This is just the stress of
1:30:08
school, life, all of that. But it kind of did come out of
1:30:12
nowhere. It was definitely building up
1:30:14
and I just didn't know it. Also, there's definitely a
1:30:16
history of it in my family, so it's not surprising.
1:30:19
Certain stuff, certain family history stuff, it doesn't come
1:30:21
out until a certain age. So it's just like, well, like,
1:30:25
this was rough. This was real rough.
1:30:26
And this is before you had the job, obviously.
1:30:28
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So by that fall, I was starting
1:30:30
to feel a little better, getting myself together.
1:30:33
I weaned myself off of antidepressants by like 2014.
1:30:36
A good idea? Yeah, they just, they just
1:30:38
turned me into a robot. Like you don't feel anything,
1:30:40
you know? Like you can't be happy, you
1:30:42
can't be sad. You're just kind of like running
1:30:44
on neutral, you know? So Fast forward, living West
1:30:51
Philly, girlfriend, girlfriend's friends, all that.
1:30:53
It's like summer 2013. Don't know what I'm going to do.
1:30:57
Just like kind of bouncing all over the place.
1:30:59
By that fall, I found an internship.
1:31:02
It was unpaid, but it was a cool like kind of step on the way.
1:31:05
Do you guys know who Steve McCurdy is?
1:31:07
I. Don't.
1:31:08
Know you've definitely seen his work.
1:31:10
Is he a photographer? Yeah, National Geographic level
1:31:13
photographer I. Probably did see it I.
1:31:15
Just don't know. Seen this photo called the
1:31:17
Afghan Girl. It's from the early 90s.
1:31:19
Oh, I heard of that photo. She's in a.
1:31:21
Shawl super penetrating eyes. Yeah, that's his work.
1:31:24
And that's like with the thing like in the.
1:31:26
Yeah, yeah, that's like one of his most famous photos ever.
1:31:31
So yeah, this photo the. Eyes.
1:31:34
Yep. No different photo than I was
1:31:35
talking about, but also crazy. So he didn't.
1:31:40
He wasn't based. He's like based in New York, but
1:31:43
his sister Bonnie ran kind of the administrative office for
1:31:47
his business out of Exton, PA, which was like right near where
1:31:51
I grew up. It was an unpaid internship with
1:31:54
a stipend. But I was like, dude, hell yeah,
1:31:56
I'm going to take that. So I was there for like, I don't
1:32:00
know, from like mid November to like late December, I'd say just
1:32:06
scanning in slides from his life's work, like handling
1:32:12
prints, handling slides that like probably has like his
1:32:16
thumbnails or his thumbprints on them, stuff like that.
1:32:18
You know, like actual ephemera that Steve Mccurry used.
1:32:22
The basement had a rack that just had all his khaki
1:32:26
photographer vests on it from like all of his world travels.
1:32:31
I like went down there one day and I just like brushed my hand
1:32:33
across and I was like, Oh my God, like I'm touching Steve
1:32:35
Mccurry's jackets. Like this is absolutely crazy.
1:32:38
You know, like this guy is like, like hi, you know, he shot on my
1:32:43
favorite film stock Kodachrome, which was also super inspiring.
1:32:48
But I worked there for like 6 weeks and one day I'm at Walmart
1:32:51
with my girlfriend. I'm standing in line and I just
1:32:54
get an e-mail from Bonnie saying my services are no longer
1:32:56
needed, which was like between Christmas and New Year's.
1:33:00
Damn it, I was. Just.
1:33:01
Like I would have been in Walmart crashing out type shit
1:33:05
crazy. I was like, Oh my God.
1:33:07
This sucks. This really?
1:33:09
Sucks God damn so it. Was rough.
1:33:11
And then like at this point, you know, I'm like 3 months behind
1:33:15
on rent. I don't know what I'm going to
1:33:16
do now. I have nothing going on.
1:33:19
So like I did the only thing that I could do, I got a job at
1:33:22
Panera Bread. There was a new Panera Bread
1:33:24
opening up downtown across from the Convention Center in Philly,
1:33:28
and so I was only opening crew for the Panera Bread, making
1:33:30
like 750 an hour or something like that.
1:33:34
Dude, yeah, 'cause you got to remember this is fucking like
1:33:36
20. This was 7016, early 2014. 14
1:33:41
yeah. So yeah, minimum wage is 750.
1:33:45
It's still in 10 years it. Still is in Pennsylvania.
1:33:48
It's still like 725I. Think.
1:33:49
Wait, what? Yeah.
1:33:50
That, like, hasn't changed. Pennsylvania's run by a bunch of
1:33:53
like, you know, Republicans that don't wait.
1:33:56
Any promise? Yeah, yeah. 7/25.
1:33:59
What's it here? Isn't it 15 something?
1:34:02
Malcolm, do you know I don't. Know I'm pretty sure in PA it's
1:34:04
still like 725 or 750. I think we.
1:34:08
The federal is that. We we looked it up recently, I
1:34:11
think on another podcast. The federal minimum wage is 7
1:34:15
something. Yeah, but I would.
1:34:17
I'd just be shocked. At it, it's actually that.
1:34:20
Oh, OK, now it's not. No.
1:34:22
All right, That's a lot better. It's set to increase, thank God.
1:34:24
All right, 1731. There we go.
1:34:26
That's much better. Oh look, 2025 it was 14.
1:34:31
Oh wait, small employer minimum. Oh, there's two different types
1:34:34
too. Interesting.
1:34:36
Oh, oh, that's that's. Actually a good.
1:34:39
Fucking idea to have two two different types.
1:34:43
As a small business owner, that makes a lot of sense.
1:34:46
You know, like if you have a big corporation, they should be
1:34:48
paying their employees more. They should be.
1:34:50
And a small business owner should be able to pay a little
1:34:52
bit less. That's actually a really smart
1:34:54
idea. I don't think we have that in
1:34:55
New Jersey. But then I hope that that still
1:34:58
incentivizes people to work for people with small.
1:35:01
Businesses, well, I mean, it is what it is.
1:35:03
If they need more money, they got to find a different job.
1:35:05
But. Small.
1:35:06
Businesses can't afford to pay crazy amounts of money so.
1:35:10
Can't. I wish I could afford to hire an
1:35:11
assistant. I have so many guys that are
1:35:13
like yo, if you ever need somebody.
1:35:14
On the I can't wait to get to this section of the story.
1:35:16
Yeah. Wait, So what happened with
1:35:18
Bonnie that you've managed to land the like?
1:35:21
The Panera gig. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no.
1:35:23
Like you had to obviously find your way back.
1:35:26
Dude, yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
1:35:27
I don't know what happened with Bonnie.
1:35:29
I don't know why. She was just like, I'm letting
1:35:30
you go. Bye.
1:35:31
I helped. So there was a no.
1:35:32
What? I mean, like, how'd you find
1:35:33
your way back to the photography?
1:35:36
Yeah. Yeah, forever.
1:35:38
No, no you're not still. There imagine he's like I'm a
1:35:40
manager. Yeah, I actually I.
1:35:42
Actually. Own the Panera.
1:35:44
Yeah, yeah, no, I was still they made.
1:35:46
Movies about you. The whole time I was like
1:35:48
freelancing on the side, like weekends, I'd be either second
1:35:51
shooting weddings or like the end of 2014 was when I, I
1:35:55
stepped out and I started to like shoot weddings on my own.
1:35:58
So I had the day job to like give me a consistent income and
1:36:02
then on the weekends I was working the like weddings and
1:36:06
stuff like that. And I knew a couple Philly
1:36:08
photographers, you know, you could make like 400 bucks in an
1:36:11
8 hour day as a second shooter, which was not bad.
1:36:14
Yeah. Cuz at the end of the day, you
1:36:16
hand them your files and you go home.
1:36:18
You never have to see the clients again.
1:36:19
You never have to edit. Like that's nice.
1:36:21
So it's like in and out, clean cut.
1:36:24
So I was doing that and I was still living in this house in
1:36:26
West Philly that rapidly fell apart.
1:36:30
A lot of stuff went down. I won't get into it, but it was
1:36:34
just a lot of drama. I ended up getting kicked out of
1:36:37
that house for no reason of my own, just like the wrong people
1:36:44
moved in and they just kind of slowly moved me out of the
1:36:49
house. And then by the end of 2015, I
1:36:55
was back. Or no.
1:36:57
By the end of 2014, I'd moved back in with my parents.
1:37:00
I was there for a year, early 2015.
1:37:03
I got a job in a camera shop. So I worked in this camera shop
1:37:06
from like January until like August.
1:37:09
Lived at home, saved up my money, got to know a lot of cool
1:37:12
people in the industry. Like we'd have like Sony reps
1:37:15
come in and show us the newest thing for Sony, whatever.
1:37:17
I was like developing people's film.
1:37:20
I was like scanning film, you know, doing like Photoshop
1:37:23
correction. People would bring in like their
1:37:25
faded like photos and I would scan them in and then do the
1:37:29
colour correction to bring them back to like true colour and
1:37:32
then print them back out for them, stuff like that.
1:37:35
So that was really cool. I made some good friends there.
1:37:38
And that was like also another like eye opening part of the
1:37:42
journey. It's like kind of a, a teaching
1:37:45
moment about life because some people would bring in like shoe
1:37:49
boxes, right? And this shoe box is full of
1:37:52
photos and you're going through all these photos and you see
1:37:57
like grandparents get older and older and older and then
1:38:00
disappear out of the family photos.
1:38:02
You see pets come and go. You see children grow up.
1:38:05
You just like you see life like happening right before your
1:38:08
eyes. You get any?
1:38:09
You ever get any like dirty ones?
1:38:11
Sorry, but no. I'm just like.
1:38:12
My brain is like so immature. I'm just thinking of if you're
1:38:15
just like looking through a shoe box and then boom.
1:38:17
Like luckily. Whoa, this.
1:38:19
Shit was getting so emotional and then Carl just goes dirty
1:38:22
photos. Dude.
1:38:24
Because like as as somebody who's developing photos, you
1:38:27
can't you, that's sure. There might have been something.
1:38:30
Confidentiality there that ran a titty here and there.
1:38:32
Yeah, I get it. They.
1:38:33
Shouldn't leave you know what I mean like somebody probably
1:38:36
getting some developed for their man's like it never it should
1:38:39
never leave quickly not but like I gotta ask like you ever see
1:38:43
like. Luckily not.
1:38:44
I hear what you're saying. Yeah.
1:38:45
I hear what you're saying with life.
1:38:47
Yeah. That's how I feel every single
1:38:49
day I wake up. Yeah.
1:38:50
Yeah. OK, I absolutely hate it.
1:38:51
All right. Yeah, sorry, I just no my my
1:38:54
puny mine had to go there. It's.
1:38:55
Hilarious. By like the end of August, me
1:39:01
and my best friend had found a house, a brownstone in Philly
1:39:06
and we found a it was a four apartment building in Fairmount,
1:39:09
like three blocks from Eastern State Penitentiary.
1:39:14
And Halloween's going to be lit. I've actually never been through
1:39:18
on Halloween. To this day I still haven't done
1:39:20
it. I want to do.
1:39:21
It let's go this year, we'll meet up.
1:39:23
All right, let's do it. Let's.
1:39:24
Go. We're all gone.
1:39:26
Well, hard park out front and everybody's.
1:39:28
Like damn, I let I let you guys. Carl's definitely.
1:39:31
Coming. I'll let you guys know.
1:39:33
Tell me how that go. We're going.
1:39:35
Look, we're going to like bring. We're going to drag.
1:39:37
Yeah, you're going we're. Going to go on that extra tour
1:39:39
that. Last I'll be waiting at like
1:39:40
Angelo. And take you into like.
1:39:42
That rooms and stuff. That's exactly what I don't
1:39:44
like. Like remember, what was the one
1:39:46
that you brought me to you last? We brought him to one that's.
1:39:48
Local to us up north. And no one was touching him and
1:39:51
he was freaking out. Dude, it wasn't the there was
1:39:54
only one section of that and we're veering off from the topic
1:39:57
here, but there was one section of that haunted house that I
1:40:00
didn't like and it's. I don't care that people are
1:40:03
fucking yelling at me, but when I feel like I don't have
1:40:06
anywhere to to run then I'm like.
1:40:09
Dude, we went there with him. Trapped, I'm about to start
1:40:13
swinging my arms around. So I only knew Carl like, well,
1:40:16
for like what, a year or two, maybe a year, maybe 2 years,
1:40:18
maybe a year, I think. So I bring him.
1:40:21
I was like, he he seemed like he was a little scared, but I was
1:40:23
like, yeah, he'll be OK. And then we're big Frankie.
1:40:26
Yeah, we're going. And I'm not, I'm not really like
1:40:29
next to him or whatever. And then one moment we're going
1:40:32
through this thing and I'm like, yo, Carl, I'm, I'm behind you.
1:40:36
And he grabs my arm. He's grabbing it like for dear
1:40:39
life. And I was like, oh shit.
1:40:41
I was like, Oh my God, this guy's having a fucking panic
1:40:43
attack right now. I'm going.
1:40:44
Through not just a panic, not a panic attack, but it was.
1:40:46
Fierce it was fear I. Just don't like that.
1:40:48
Yeah, you know, when, when, when you feel you're like, oh, OK, we
1:40:51
fucked up. Dude.
1:40:52
And then there was this one where there was like just so
1:40:55
many strobing lights and like smoke and bars and mirrors.
1:41:01
And I was just like that one I didn't like because now I'm like
1:41:05
just getting a sensory overload of like, and now I'm just either
1:41:09
going to run through one of these bitches.
1:41:11
Or your head. On like it, it'll build up and
1:41:13
then just some sort of retard moment is going to happen where
1:41:15
I just something's going to happen like I'm just going to
1:41:19
break something. So I'm just like I don't.
1:41:22
Know, yeah. Sidebar to the sidebar.
1:41:24
I actually worked in some haunted houses when I was in
1:41:27
like middle school. It's.
1:41:28
Like. The most fun thing you could
1:41:30
ever. Do.
1:41:31
Dude, those always. The staff look.
1:41:33
Like they having so much fun sometimes.
1:41:35
If everybody's not being a douche, yeah.
1:41:37
Yeah, I still regret not working at Six Legs, but you had to
1:41:39
like, live there so. Oh, really?
1:41:40
Yeah. My best friend's dad would do a
1:41:43
haunted house. So they're back.
1:41:45
We're all in the woods, right? So their backyard had a trail
1:41:48
loop that just like started on one side of the yard and it went
1:41:50
like big horseshoe through the woods and came back out the
1:41:53
other side fire. So they would do a haunted house
1:41:56
every year and we would like post up on the trail and like we
1:42:00
set up like fake, you know, like gravestones and all this stuff.
1:42:03
And the, like, climax of this was my friend's dad would be at
1:42:08
the end with the chainsaw and the coveralls and the Jason mask
1:42:13
and, like, people would get close and you're just here.
1:42:19
I love it. And, like, you just, like, run
1:42:21
out. And you just hear everybody's,
1:42:23
like, running away screaming. Like, it was great.
1:42:25
He, like, took the chain off the chainsaw.
1:42:27
So like, he's not gonna hurt anybody.
1:42:28
Yeah. But like, it was awesome.
1:42:31
Might have forgot one night. Thank God.
1:42:32
Shit, that's the wrong 10 man. Yeah.
1:42:36
So damn, so you're living there. Yeah, so my best friend and I
1:42:39
moving together Fairmount Brownstone, late 2015
1:42:42
brownstone, we had this apartment that was like the back
1:42:46
half of the first floor of this brownstone and the basement it
1:42:48
was like 1000 square feet total, so like the.
1:42:51
Fucking big ass apartment. It was pretty big, yeah.
1:42:53
And we were paying, like, we were paying like 1200 bucks a
1:42:56
month for rent for the whole place.
1:42:57
So like, the price was right. And like, it wasn't, it wasn't
1:43:02
like it wasn't without faults. The bedrooms and the bathroom
1:43:06
were in the basement. And so when it rained real
1:43:10
heavy, sometimes the basement would flood and my bedroom was
1:43:14
the one that was closer to the half of the basement that
1:43:16
flooded so. I was sleeping on stilts bro.
1:43:20
A few times early on living there my room, my carpet all
1:43:25
turned soggy and like like it was.
1:43:28
It was a little bit of a pain in the ass but for the price it was
1:43:30
great and the main root cause of it was on the 3rd floor.
1:43:34
This family is young family. They had twin toddlers and a
1:43:37
newborn. And like, the toddlers
1:43:40
apparently would like, drop toys and stuff in the toilet and then
1:43:44
like, flush it and all the toys would end up blocking up the
1:43:47
sewer line. So then, like, the rain backs up
1:43:52
and it's got nowhere to go and it just fills up the basement.
1:43:55
And like, the landlord's solution for this was, this is
1:43:58
such a silly thing, right? Especially like you're living in
1:44:00
1/2 basement apartment. He had a mop and another broom
1:44:05
handle taped together to make this really long plunger, like
1:44:09
this, like 10 foot long plunger. And it was raining real hard and
1:44:12
you saw like water starting back up in the basement.
1:44:14
You know, go out to the curb, pop off the vent cover for the
1:44:19
for the sewer and just like plunge the shit out of it.
1:44:23
So you're like out in the rain on the curb, plunging the shit
1:44:27
out of the sewer line to make sure that the water would drain
1:44:31
out. And did it work?
1:44:33
Yeah, it worked. Sounds real glamorous, right?
1:44:35
But like, you know, we're just like middle 20 something that.
1:44:38
Makes sense. The price makes sense, yeah.
1:44:40
Yeah, trying to get our shit together.
1:44:41
I lived in that place for five years.
1:44:43
We had a back patio. I had off street parking.
1:44:45
It was great for like the price and everything.
1:44:47
It was awesome. Like, yeah, good luck finding
1:44:49
anywhere to live in that area for $1200 period right now.
1:44:52
Yeah, no way, No way. No shot so.
1:44:55
While I was living there, I was still freelancing and I got
1:45:01
picked up. I started working at Trader
1:45:03
Joe's because I was, I just turned 26 and needed health
1:45:06
insurance. I was like, what am I going to
1:45:08
do for like health insurance, you know, not on the parents
1:45:11
deathly afraid of like getting sick or something like that and
1:45:14
not having health coverage. Because when you have no money
1:45:16
and no health insurance, like it's a great way to go bankrupt
1:45:19
real quick. Frankie just staring off into
1:45:23
the I'm just thinking I have health insurance I.
1:45:25
Just said no and well, yeah, technically I guess I do, but I
1:45:29
just didn't. I was like health insurance.
1:45:30
I'm not going to need that till dude.
1:45:31
It's like so many people don't have health insurance.
1:45:33
It's horrible. Yeah, but I was working at
1:45:36
Trader Joe's and I was usually working like 2nd shift.
1:45:38
So I would go in usually like 4:00 PM ish, like between 1:00
1:45:43
and 4:00. And I'd work until like between
1:45:45
like. 10 So you stopped working at the.
1:45:47
Oh, Panera. Camera Store.
1:45:49
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the camera store was
1:45:50
like near where my parents were. So I left there, moved back to
1:45:54
Philly because that's where all the work was worked at this
1:45:57
Trader Joe's still was doing photography on the weekends,
1:46:00
still like second shooting and all of that.
1:46:02
And it was enough to like, you know, make a living.
1:46:06
Then like spring 2016, this company DMS me and they're like,
1:46:10
hey, we found you through Instagram.
1:46:11
We found your work. We love it.
1:46:12
And there's this jewelry company in Philly, pretty big jewelry
1:46:17
company. I'm not gonna not gonna name the
1:46:18
name, but they're pretty big, pretty competitive with like a
1:46:22
lot of the other like largest Jewelers like David Ureman,
1:46:25
stuff like that. And they just saw your
1:46:26
Instagram. They found me through Instagram,
1:46:28
yeah, and they needed like it. Was Rolex, dude, I wish it was
1:46:33
Breitling or whatever. I wish.
1:46:35
I wish, man. Well, let's just say it was
1:46:37
whatever it was. Yeah, and they found me because,
1:46:39
like, when you're a wedding photographer, you end up doing a
1:46:41
lot of details of like, the bride and stuff like earrings,
1:46:44
like bracelets. How did you learn how to shoot
1:46:49
the way you shoot? Your photos are very like, I
1:46:52
don't want to say unique, but I guess they are unique.
1:46:54
It's like that's the word I would use.
1:46:55
Literally just. They're full of emotion type of,
1:46:57
you know what I mean, like you get.
1:46:59
It's something, can you bring up his Instagram out 'cause I'm,
1:47:02
I'm, I'm trying to figure out what I'm talking.
1:47:04
About the banked photos dude. The bank at night.
1:47:08
The James Graves photos at night on the bank.
1:47:11
Yeah. Even the photos that you were.
1:47:16
I mean, yeah, these photos are good.
1:47:17
I want to see some non drifting photos.
1:47:18
Yeah, let's go down. Yeah, like, yeah, these photos
1:47:22
are just good. Like what?
1:47:24
I don't know shit about we we do you know Eric Ryan.
1:47:28
Ryan. I know Malcolm, always correct.
1:47:30
Is it? Is it really Ryan?
1:47:31
Maybe I probably what's his Instagram I might know him more
1:47:34
through. Instagram Eric Ryan.
1:47:36
Oh, is. It like look at that race, the
1:47:37
gentleman photo. I'm assuming that's what that
1:47:39
is. Go back that one.
1:47:42
What? Oh damn.
1:47:43
That one did really well. I really wish I saw that photo
1:47:46
was done. You know what it?
1:47:47
Is it's the colors. All right, so I'll just do a
1:47:50
quick like breakdown of why this photo works.
1:47:54
One, it has dimension, right? We've got foreground here, OK.
1:47:58
And that kind of leads you in to this section over here with the
1:48:01
motorcycle. And then your eye kind of goes
1:48:03
back to this line of cars and then your eye just kind of keeps
1:48:06
going back to the whole like pier in the background.
1:48:10
So like I, I think about depth a lot when I shoot.
1:48:14
That's why a lot of my work has foreground in it, because a
1:48:17
photo is a 2D object and you have to be able to translate the
1:48:21
depth. If you don't have any depth, it
1:48:25
doesn't feel real. So getting depth, having
1:48:28
foreground, that's a big part of it.
1:48:31
This also just works because the sun's in the right spot.
1:48:34
Like this time of day, it's very bright, it's very hot out.
1:48:38
You kind of want to shoot into the shade.
1:48:42
Everyone's evenly lit, nobody's got raccoon eyes going on.
1:48:45
There's no harsh like contrast on the cars or anything like
1:48:49
that. It works for that.
1:48:51
It also works just because of, like you said, the colors work,
1:48:54
you know, and over the overall content, like a bunch of pre
1:48:59
war, like hot rods on a beach. You have the juxtaposition of
1:49:04
these older gentlemen here and even older vehicles and then
1:49:09
this like modern scene in the background.
1:49:11
So it's kind of timeless in a way you can't really pinpoint
1:49:14
like when it took place. Yeah, like I don't see.
1:49:17
It yeah, that could that. Could have been in the 70s.
1:49:18
This photo. You see the sporty so.
1:49:21
It all, you know, this is all stuff that's sporty.
1:49:23
Like at this point in my head it just happens like that.
1:49:28
I just. Find Can I buy this photo from?
1:49:29
You. You could, yeah.
1:49:30
Yeah, I need this. Yeah, OK.
1:49:32
Yeah. Dude, we were there this year, I
1:49:35
think, or that year. Me and the club loose media boys
1:49:37
try to go every year. Yeah, this is one of my favorite
1:49:41
events ever. Yeah, it's so good.
1:49:44
It's so. Good if you don't fucking invite
1:49:46
me this year, I'm. Just not inviting you.
1:49:47
You just got to come. All right then, I'm going
1:49:49
myself. Fuck you.
1:49:51
I'm going to go get a crowd of my own that'll go with me
1:49:53
that'll say that they going with.
1:49:54
Me if anybody can get me a media pass so that I can actually get
1:49:57
into the pits and like get up and close and.
1:49:59
That was that was without you being in the pits.
1:50:02
Oh yeah, I see what you're saying.
1:50:03
Yeah, I tried to get a media pass for like 2022, and it just
1:50:07
turned into this interview of like, why should we give you a
1:50:09
media pass? And I'd be like, and then they'd
1:50:11
be like, why should we give you a media pass?
1:50:13
And I'm like like like. Dude, just show them that photo
1:50:17
next time you try and that's going to be it.
1:50:18
So, you know, I'm hoping I would really love to get a media pass
1:50:22
and like, get in there and really, really, really, really
1:50:24
like, yeah, like put nose to the grindstone on it.
1:50:29
Yeah, I don't know why they wouldn't, I mean.
1:50:30
Dude these this looks sick. Like even that photo is sick.
1:50:34
Fucking bird or whatever. Hell yeah, That's flow.
1:50:37
Yeah. So what do we got there?
1:50:40
Just some bikes, but I liked this photo because the headlight
1:50:44
on the scooter is lighting up the bikes.
1:50:47
So it kind of like leads you in that way and it's just like, I
1:50:50
didn't set this up or anything. It just, we were just walking
1:50:52
around at night and it was just like that.
1:50:54
And you just saw the light like on the bike and you were like,
1:50:56
there it is. Yeah, pro tip, follow the light,
1:50:58
like look for good light. That's all you got to do.
1:51:02
Step number one, look for good light.
1:51:05
I don't know shit about these kinds of cars, but man, I would
1:51:09
love something like that. That's.
1:51:10
Just a good photo. Something just dumped on the
1:51:13
ground, but you know it's all. It's hitting everything but you.
1:51:15
We don't give a fuck. Yeah, it's like the truck is so
1:51:18
out of place, but it also just fits, you know, like colour wise
1:51:21
it fits my boy Christian. Who eating a pizza out the back
1:51:26
like that? Christian's a maniac.
1:51:31
Yeah, dude. That's that yellow fever, dude.
1:51:35
That's that yellow fever, low riding.
1:51:37
Look at the. Candy paint hitting.
1:51:38
That's so cool. Hard.
1:51:40
Oh my. God, I think.
1:51:41
It was like embellished all over.
1:51:42
Yeah, no, look at the. There might have been like some
1:51:45
ghosting work in the. Yes, there is.
1:51:47
There is, there is, there is. Oh yeah, what the fuck?
1:51:51
Yeah, it was just that car was going by and I was just like.
1:51:54
And then you got to go through all these photos and just pick
1:51:56
the ones that are going to make it fit your Instagram.
1:51:58
Yeah. You know, like, that's something
1:52:00
a lot of people don't think about being a photographer.
1:52:03
Like if you've ever spent 5 minutes trying to get a photo,
1:52:07
like, even if it's a photo of like your food, you know?
1:52:10
Now imagine being a photographer, you have to do all
1:52:13
those mental calculations like 100 times an hour, right?
1:52:18
If you're like on a gig, like if you're shooting somewhere, like
1:52:21
getting paid, you're constantly, your brain is just like
1:52:24
constantly like analysing like Terminator style where it's like
1:52:28
like the overlay of just like seeing all the pieces or like in
1:52:31
the Lego Movie when they can just like see all the bits and
1:52:34
be like, here's how to build a motorcycle out of the alleyway.
1:52:36
You know, like your brain is just constantly doing this.
1:52:40
And that's why like photography is hard because it is mentally
1:52:43
exhausting. Like after a day of trying to
1:52:47
take 100 photos an hour that look like this, you're just
1:52:49
shot. This photo right here.
1:52:52
What made you leave it at this angle?
1:52:56
So I like I liked getting the lead in to kind of show where
1:53:02
the car is going off into the horizon.
1:53:05
I also like putting the car down.
1:53:06
That's like a a rule of thirds, like key point, you know, like
1:53:09
lower left. The car is obviously just come
1:53:13
off this trailer here and these dudes are like prepping it to
1:53:15
get it ready. I also like that the car is
1:53:17
sitting on top of these chevrons and they're yellow and the car
1:53:20
is green. From this angle, you can see the
1:53:22
roof of the car. You can see how patina it is.
1:53:25
It kind of like stands out from all these modern cars that are
1:53:28
sitting here. It was just an interesting
1:53:29
scene. The light was right.
1:53:30
This was our first night at Trog in 2024.
1:53:36
And this was from like the balcony of our our, our hotel
1:53:38
room or our motel room where we were staying.
1:53:41
So these dudes just happened to be staying here too.
1:53:44
And they just like pulled up, got this car off the trailer.
1:53:48
They were futzing with it for a long time.
1:53:49
And I was like, this is a cool photo op and I didn't want to
1:53:52
like, go up and be super aggressive and like get in their
1:53:55
faces while they're focusing on trying to get this car.
1:53:57
Running. Obviously this is better than
1:53:59
whatever you probably would have got.
1:54:01
I think like a lot of a lot of car photographers, especially
1:54:05
starting out, they make the mistake of making the car the
1:54:08
whole shot like edge to edge the car.
1:54:12
Is it like front to back bumper? You've got like a 16th of, you
1:54:16
know, space between them and the edge of the frame.
1:54:19
And cars tell a story, but they tell a better story when you
1:54:23
have some context around them. So putting the car in an
1:54:28
environment where it has context and especially like taking into
1:54:31
account the leading lines and all of that, it just kind of
1:54:35
works. Like the line the the house is
1:54:38
kind of lined up to the roofs of the house is almost a straight
1:54:41
line on top of the photo, which is interesting.
1:54:43
It just goes off into, you know, the horizon.
1:54:46
And I was like, that's cool. It's a leading line.
1:54:49
And it also like another basic rule, is like look for
1:54:52
triangles. Like triangles are in
1:54:54
interesting shape. So we got the top of the road
1:54:57
there leading down to here, leading it over here, and you've
1:54:59
just got this nice triangle and it just ends up like your eye
1:55:03
doesn't know why it works, but it just works.
1:55:05
One of my favorite parts is the power lines.
1:55:07
I don't know why I I think the fact that you can even see them
1:55:10
is is awesome. Yeah, I made sure.
1:55:12
I made sure you can see the power.
1:55:13
Lines. Yeah.
1:55:14
I was going to ask you if you did that.
1:55:15
I just figured you had a really good camera.
1:55:17
I don't know how this shit works.
1:55:18
Yeah, it's, it's a little everything like the iPhone
1:55:21
cameras now are insane. I mean like you like.
1:55:25
Dude, I've taken some pretty silly photos with my iPhone
1:55:28
camera lately and I'm like what the heck.
1:55:30
They're so good, modern like professional cameras are great,
1:55:35
but the iPhone cameras have been so integrated with like AI and
1:55:40
everything for so long. Even stuff like before AI became
1:55:44
the trendy thing, they were still, you know, there was still
1:55:46
enhancement happening in the background to make the photos
1:55:49
better digitally. Like all the blur, all the like
1:55:51
depth of field and all that. That's all fake.
1:55:53
Like the. Camera can't actually make
1:55:55
photos like. The lens doesn't.
1:55:57
No, you're not doing that. The lens doesn't do that.
1:55:59
Anything, Yeah, interesting. It's.
1:56:01
All fake. So I didn't know that.
1:56:04
The phones can do some amazing stuff, and it's a different kind
1:56:07
of amazing than a real camera can take.
1:56:11
But a phone photo? You can't necessarily get the
1:56:15
detail you need at a. Certain.
1:56:17
The thing is with the phone versus your camera is I don't
1:56:19
know how to use your camera. The phone is I.
1:56:21
Don't know how to use my camera. User front you obviously do.
1:56:24
Dude, I took AI, took a sick photo of Chris's car and it's
1:56:27
very, I feel like it's very James Graves esque.
1:56:31
I'm sending it to Malcolm right now.
1:56:32
Let's compare. Let's go.
1:56:34
I'm sending it to Malcolm right now.
1:56:37
Yeah, Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
1:56:39
Let's see it. Hopefully people don't just send
1:56:41
you random shit after you say that.
1:56:43
That would be terrifying. Well, definitely after you just
1:56:45
said that. Yeah, I think so.
1:56:48
Pandora's Box. Did I send that to Malcolm?
1:56:54
Yeah, I sent that to Malcolm, dude.
1:56:56
OK, so I saw Chris's card. So what I again, what I like
1:57:00
about your photos is like, it takes you there, but like, look,
1:57:02
this is James. Great.
1:57:04
Right here, bro. Check it out.
1:57:06
He's got the foreground. Yeah, he's got the foreground.
1:57:08
The car's own photo. Dude I did not know my phone can
1:57:12
do that. The car is framed up well.
1:57:13
It's like kind of in the middle of the.
1:57:15
Frame. You don't really like that,
1:57:16
right? No, it works here.
1:57:18
So like it's because it's like 1-2 rule of thirds is all about
1:57:22
just like putting the car on a point where it's going to create
1:57:27
Accenture. You know, I don't even know if
1:57:30
I'm using that word right, but. What is Accenture?
1:57:32
I believe you. Whatever it is, you're right.
1:57:34
You're right. I'll just say right away, right,
1:57:37
you've got the one white car in the room, so it sticks out that
1:57:40
way. It's also the only car that's
1:57:42
pointing this way, so it sticks out even more.
1:57:46
It's got a good side profile going on.
1:57:47
You have these cars in the foreground that are leading into
1:57:49
it, so your eyes are looking at it that way.
1:57:51
You've got all these vertical posts in the background that
1:57:54
make the image look upright, which is good.
1:57:57
Having straight lines in a photo, that helps a lot.
1:58:01
Triangle. Once you point out the triangle,
1:58:03
I'm like, can I Unsee this triangle that James has talked?
1:58:07
To you never will or the Fibonacci golden ratio spiral.
1:58:11
I don't know a lot of people like put that over like photos.
1:58:14
Why did that? Why did that word just trigger
1:58:16
something in? It's all mad.
1:58:18
Did you learn about that? I don't know.
1:58:20
This is all mad. That doesn't sound familiar.
1:58:22
You're telling me that Fibonacci does not I've.
1:58:24
Heard that word before but. Right, it means from where
1:58:26
school. Yeah, probably.
1:58:29
There you go. What the heck is this so?
1:58:32
What does this fucking mean? Yeah.
1:58:33
What is that? I'm just looking at a squiggly
1:58:38
line with like multiples in it I.
1:58:40
I don't like. I don't remember what the heck
1:58:42
this was it. I think it was in math probably.
1:58:45
Yeah, there's so many insane crossovers between mathematics
1:58:48
and nature like it. It almost makes nature feel like
1:58:52
something that's man made. Whoever put that one on the
1:58:54
pyramid, just shut the fuck. Up.
1:58:56
Yeah, what the fuck? Is that that's not how that
1:59:00
works. That's all right.
1:59:01
How that works? I mean, I, yeah, it's just a
1:59:03
reach, but yeah, what in like flowers and shit, I guess they
1:59:06
see it, yeah. Or even, you know, that photo of
1:59:11
that green car that we just had on, like if you overlaid this
1:59:14
over that, you'd probably see that this little spiral here is
1:59:17
right where the green car is or there about starts.
1:59:19
It's just it just works. I can't explain it.
1:59:22
Dude, what about that one that. Donald Trump's.
1:59:24
Hair. They're trying to analyze
1:59:26
Donnie's fucking hair with the Fibonacci.
1:59:29
That's. Amazing.
1:59:30
That's it right there. The golden ratio.
1:59:33
Golden for sure. Yeah.
1:59:34
What? They're calling it, dude.
1:59:36
OK, Do I know what? Do I know what it takes to take
1:59:42
a good photo? Nope.
1:59:44
But I'm glad that I don't, because I know that people like
1:59:47
you, James, do, and that we get to analyze it from like.
1:59:53
I like analyzing. Yeah.
1:59:54
Would we? Do we, do we occasionally get a
1:59:57
good photo like that one? Do we get occasionally get a
2:00:00
good photo? Yeah, actually you take some
2:00:02
pretty good photos. Show me.
2:00:03
Show me your favorite drifting photo you ever took.
2:00:06
Oh man, I want to see that. We got to go back a little ways.
2:00:09
All right, that's fine. That's dude.
2:00:11
I want to see that all. Right, we got to scroll probably
2:00:14
back to like 2122. Damn, you know it though.
2:00:18
Just. Keep going, you'll see it.
2:00:20
You'll know when you see it. It's it's an in car shot.
2:00:23
Brian app. It's 2.
2:00:26
That's crazy, he said. You'll know when you see it.
2:00:27
Two Blood Masters cars. 2. You like that one?
2:00:34
Oh, that's from that's. An awesome.
2:00:37
Radwood, Radwood, 2023. Keep going.
2:00:42
Malcolm likes BMW. Because I was thinking like, as
2:00:46
we were talking about this, I was like, it's hard to get a
2:00:49
good drifting photo to honestly, to me, to me, I don't, I don't
2:00:52
really like them that much. I like them when I could feel
2:00:55
them. Yeah, sometimes you get 1 and
2:00:57
you're like, oh, that actually is awesome.
2:00:59
Oh. That's it right there, Leonardo.
2:01:02
DiCaprio. Yeah, that's always like I've
2:01:06
seen other photos like this where it's like an in car one
2:01:08
that's like everyone's favorite. That's from who was I riding
2:01:13
with in there? I think this is out of a right
2:01:15
hand drive car because I'm shooting out the.
2:01:17
I think that's Nick Delesio's car I was riding.
2:01:19
Oh nice. But yeah, I think this is it.
2:01:23
I think this kind of summarizes if you were going to turn
2:01:26
drifting into a movie poster. I think this is it.
2:01:29
Now, what makes you? What's your favorite parts of
2:01:31
this? Partially just the fact that
2:01:35
it's this moment that you don't really register if you're riding
2:01:40
in a car. It doesn't really register if
2:01:41
you're taking footage necessarily.
2:01:44
Like I think that's the power of photos, is not to capture time,
2:01:48
but to freeze it. You know, like you freeze a
2:01:51
moment, you can see it in a light that you didn't
2:01:54
necessarily see it before, right?
2:01:56
Because it's just the blink of an eye.
2:01:57
Yeah, video you. You could basically relive a
2:02:00
moment. Yeah, photos aren't really.
2:02:02
Reliving it's, capturing it's freezing it.
2:02:05
It's giving other people the opportunity to interpret and
2:02:08
feel something about that moment that, you know, you might not
2:02:11
necessarily feel like this might, you know, pump somebody
2:02:15
up and be like, wow, that's cool.
2:02:16
I want to go drifting. You know, I'll say right away
2:02:19
the Sky's fake. I I was going to ask you like,
2:02:22
is this like natural like no. That is a that's a dropped in
2:02:25
sky part of my digital artistry, but like pretty good just
2:02:31
overall. I like this photo because it was
2:02:34
kind of a cool moment. Like riding on the razor's edge,
2:02:37
you know drift cars can spin out.
2:02:39
This is hairpin, right? This is coming.
2:02:43
Through in front of the bleachers.
2:02:47
No, this is midfield I think. It looks like hairpin to me too,
2:02:52
but I don't know. Because isn't that the tire wall
2:02:54
back there, in the back, back there?
2:02:57
I think that's the tire wall on the run up to first turn though.
2:03:00
Yeah, yeah, like I'm pretty sure this is coming through midfield
2:03:03
because we're moving fast. If we were coming off Hairpin,
2:03:07
we'd be moving a little. Slower.
2:03:09
I just don't know which way we'd be coming from.
2:03:12
I don't because they're both right hand turns.
2:03:15
It's all a blur honestly, like at this point it's.
2:03:17
Dude, I don't know, but all I'm feeling is like it's like
2:03:20
pulling me that way, like. Yeah.
2:03:24
Because it's so like, like directional, like, I feel the
2:03:28
speed going this way. Yeah.
2:03:30
And you know. Part of it is that like we as
2:03:34
like a Western society read from left to right.
2:03:37
So a lot of photo composition for us makes sense when it's
2:03:41
left to right kind of leads you in.
2:03:44
If you go somewhere where they read right to left, it would
2:03:47
probably be the opposite. So your eye just kind of since
2:03:50
we've read left to right, your eye just kind of naturally
2:03:52
starts in the upper left corner of a frame.
2:03:54
And it's just because you've been reading books your whole
2:03:56
life or whatever, Reading anything online, it's just so
2:03:59
weird. Where do you start?
2:04:00
Actually, on a screen it doesn't matter.
2:04:02
You start in the top left, so from there you have the cars and
2:04:06
you move in and you kind of like have the speed of the pavement
2:04:10
being the last thing you see. And I also like that in the
2:04:12
foreground you kind of have a tiny little bit of Nick's car,
2:04:15
and you also have all the smoke coming off of his car.
2:04:18
So it shows you're in a car too. Yeah, like it's that's.
2:04:21
The other thing, you're a big guy with foreground.
2:04:23
Yeah, you see that obviously because almost every photo has
2:04:26
something that is in the foreground, either blurred or
2:04:31
you know. Foreground is very important.
2:04:33
It's like what brings you into the photo so.
2:04:35
So you're saying if I if you flip this, if you inverted this,
2:04:38
it would feel different to us? It probably would.
2:04:41
Yeah, I agree with that. A rule, a trick that I've
2:04:45
learned along the way is like if you like, let's say I'm shooting
2:04:51
like a couple, like an engagement shoot or something
2:04:54
and I want to shoot the couple like laying.
2:04:57
Let's say they're like laying down in some long grass and you
2:04:59
want to get that shot from overhead.
2:05:01
If you like take that shot in post and then flip it the other
2:05:04
way. It has a whole different vibe to
2:05:06
it, like. Like flip the camera and face it
2:05:09
to you. Yeah, like type B and you
2:05:13
rotate. Yeah, get in the photo with the
2:05:16
couple. Yeah, No.
2:05:18
But if you like, if you take Malcolm, you take your photos
2:05:23
and flip them upside down, they can have a totally different
2:05:26
vibe, you know? Yeah.
2:05:27
Just just Malcolm sitting there like this over the couple.
2:05:30
But it's a picture of it. Like when someone asks you to
2:05:32
take a photo of them and you just take photos of yourself.
2:05:34
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, thank you.
2:05:38
Yeah. So, you know, there's just a lot
2:05:42
of consideration and this is just stuff you learn over time
2:05:44
from like, sucking forever and then like just getting better
2:05:49
and better and better. And like the thing that I always
2:05:50
tell people, just keep shooting. Like, you're not going to get
2:05:54
better if you don't keep shooting.
2:05:56
And you're not going to get better if you don't look at
2:05:57
other people's work. Like find photographers that
2:06:00
inspire you. And really, like, I spend so
2:06:04
much time looking at other people's work and looking back
2:06:08
at my own being like, what made this photo actually, like pop
2:06:11
off on Instagram? Why do I like this photo?
2:06:13
Like, what's so good about it? And it's like, there's only so
2:06:18
much that you can do without taking inspiration from other
2:06:23
people and without, like, kind of turning it into your own.
2:06:26
Yeah. You got to have a place to
2:06:28
start. If you just go out and think,
2:06:30
like, I'm going to be a superstar photographer as soon
2:06:33
as I buy a fancy camera, it's just not going to happen.
2:06:36
Takes so many years, so many like times getting screwed over,
2:06:42
so many times of like dropping the ball.
2:06:45
You learn from your own mistakes.
2:06:46
You know, like maybe a client got out to you last week and a
2:06:50
week has gone by and you haven't gotten back to them.
2:06:52
You're like, oops, I lost that client because I didn't respond
2:06:55
fast enough. Or, you know, let's just say
2:06:58
like you get to a shoot and you forget your memory cards or your
2:07:02
battery or something like that. Like you're you're not going to
2:07:05
do that more than once. Because.
2:07:07
You learn. So how do you get involved with
2:07:10
club? Loose.
2:07:12
Let's Fast forward from like 20/15/2016 this jewelry company
2:07:15
picked. Me up.
2:07:16
They brought me in as a freelancer, like working one day
2:07:19
a week. So for the majority of 2016,
2:07:23
especially the latter half, I was photographing like a wedding
2:07:29
or something on one of my days off.
2:07:33
I was working at this jewelry company on the other day off and
2:07:38
then I was working like 2nd shift at Trader Joe's like five
2:07:43
days a week. Do so like you were.
2:07:45
Probably cranking hours I. Worked hustling.
2:07:48
Yeah, for a solid like four months I had like 3 days off a
2:07:51
month. That's what it takes if like I
2:07:55
was so. Yeah, no, I would mentally
2:07:59
collapse. I was like, so about like
2:08:01
getting like, my goal was at this point a photography career.
2:08:07
I was like, I want this. I want to get paid full time to
2:08:12
use a camera. I'm good at it.
2:08:14
I love doing it. I don't care what I'm shooting.
2:08:17
So I like worked like that for four or five months just like
2:08:21
basically no days off, you know, and I was young, I could do it,
2:08:25
couldn't do it now probably had just like melt, but.
2:08:29
Real. Yeah, the jewelry company.
2:08:32
Frankie's like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:08:35
The jewelry company at the end of the year invited me to their
2:08:38
holiday party and the the creative director brought me
2:08:43
into a side room and she slid an offer letter across the table
2:08:47
and was like, hey, we want you to come on board full time so.
2:08:53
Yeah, this is going to get yeah. What the fuck?
2:08:55
So then you had to be like 1 million or nothing.
2:08:59
Oh my God dude. I probably could have gotten
2:09:02
more than I asked for, but what I asked for was like more money
2:09:06
than I'd ever seen in my life. So I just did it.
2:09:09
I just did it, no questions asked.
2:09:10
I was like, I don't, I don't like, I don't know anything
2:09:13
about shooting jewelry. So all of a sudden I went from
2:09:15
this guy who is freelancing like stocking shelves and shooting
2:09:20
weddings, to working in a studio for a $50 million a year jewelry
2:09:25
company. What the fuck?
2:09:27
That's sad. And like the other, they have
2:09:30
another photographer that worked there and she like trained me
2:09:32
up. I was like catching on
2:09:34
instantly. And she trained me up on like
2:09:36
how to shoot jewelry in a studio environment, like how to manage
2:09:40
reflections. That's a big part of it with
2:09:42
cars. You got to know how to manage
2:09:44
your reflections. You got to know like what is in
2:09:48
this scene that I'm going to see in this car?
2:09:50
You got to know how to work around it.
2:09:52
Excuse me, especially black cars.
2:09:55
Black cars are just a mirror. Pro tip.
2:09:57
If you're going to shoot a black car, find somewhere open.
2:10:00
You don't want to shoot a black car anywhere where you're going
2:10:03
to see everything around that black car in all your shots.
2:10:06
So I started working there and you guys know TL Tera Lutz, Matt
2:10:13
Petty's girlfriend, she worked there.
2:10:16
So we worked in different departments, but our department.
2:10:19
Of Jewelry Place. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:10:20
She still works there. Hell yeah, she has.
2:10:23
Like she's gone from being one of the new product development
2:10:30
general people to I think she runs new product development
2:10:33
now. Shout out TL.
2:10:34
Good job killing it. But she's in new product
2:10:39
development and I was working in a photo studio.
2:10:41
So we overlapped a lot because NPD would have to fill us in on
2:10:46
new collections. They'd tell us like, hey, like
2:10:49
don't shoot this yet, it's still in development.
2:10:50
Like this is just a prototype, etcetera, etcetera.
2:10:52
So she was up in our space A lot and we just kind of like would
2:10:57
chit chat every once in a while. And then one day I was like down
2:11:01
there and she was like chit chatting with me and she didn't
2:11:06
really know I was into cars. And I like brought up cars for
2:11:10
some reason or whatever. And she was like, oh, you like
2:11:12
cars? And I was like, yeah.
2:11:14
And I like this scene will never leave my head.
2:11:16
This was the moment. These were the words that came
2:11:19
out of her mouth. She said, I have to show you my
2:11:21
boyfriend's drift car. And that was it.
2:11:25
And it was petty. And it was.
2:11:26
Petty. Yeah.
2:11:28
Yeah, that couldn't have been any more.
2:11:29
Perfect Petty. I haven't seen him in a minute,
2:11:31
probably because I haven't been to club loose in a while, so
2:11:34
fuck fuck. Damn it, that was like that was
2:11:37
it. That was like the before club
2:11:39
loose to the after club loose. And from there on it was it was
2:11:44
like, that's it. You know, I think Freedom Moves
2:11:46
2017 was like my first event. I would just show up.
2:11:50
TL was like, yeah, just show up. Like we'll get you in, we'll
2:11:53
give you a vest, blah, blah, blah.
2:11:54
I didn't even have like a media pass or anything.
2:11:56
I would just show up and they would just like provide and I
2:11:58
was like this is awesome. That is amazing.
2:12:00
Yeah. And then after a few rounds,
2:12:02
like they were like, hey, you can start like applying for
2:12:04
media passes and stuff right now.
2:12:06
And it just kind of grew from there.
2:12:07
Like I had no idea what I was doing, you know, like you.
2:12:13
Just started crazy shit dude. I yeah, like I remember.
2:12:17
Crazy one. Jay-Z, Oh my God, is the best
2:12:19
thing ever. Yeah.
2:12:20
It was just like like like the last 10 years of like teenager
2:12:26
into like late 20 something where I was like, man, I love
2:12:30
cars. It was just like boom all of a
2:12:33
sudden miss finally little. Yeah, then discovery like.
2:12:38
And it was like, it was like, you know, I'm seeing like E 30s
2:12:41
with like LS swaps in them and stuff.
2:12:43
Like that. Oh never seen a swap a car
2:12:44
probably. Do you remember like what you
2:12:49
what you what it what that feeling was like?
2:12:52
Ah, dude. That's probably awesome.
2:12:53
It was mind. Yeah.
2:12:55
It's absolutely mind blowing and also ear shattering because I
2:12:57
had no idea how. Loud.
2:12:59
Anything was going to be. You know, like what?
2:13:01
What? Year 27 so ZS existed?
2:13:03
So straight pipes ZS existed. Dude.
2:13:06
Like. One of the early cars that
2:13:08
always stood out to me was Rich as Z, his 350Z.
2:13:12
My buddy owns that because like. Oh, really?
2:13:14
Because it had, I don't, I don't remember like what the like
2:13:17
delivery had. I was kind of like pink, like
2:13:19
jagged design on it or something like that.
2:13:21
I don't remember. Like, oh, you know what?
2:13:23
I don't know if it's that one, if it's the one that.
2:13:25
Getting it too. Yeah.
2:13:26
The one he bought or he wanted a raffle was black I think.
2:13:31
Yeah, I don't remember. It is a black.
2:13:34
This Z was black but it just had vinyl on it and it wasn't over
2:13:37
the whole car. It was just like decals on it.
2:13:39
Maybe. But hey, Brad, if this is your
2:13:42
car. It always stuck out to me.
2:13:44
Like before I knew who anybody was, it always stuck out to me
2:13:47
because he would always lose his back bumper on a lap.
2:13:50
Like it would always be dragging by the end of the lap.
2:13:53
Like it never came off completely.
2:13:54
It was always like one side was still bracketed on.
2:13:57
So like he'd get back to grit and he was just like every
2:14:01
single time. And I was like, oh, it's Rich
2:14:03
Whiteman. Like everybody just knows Rich
2:14:05
Whiteman, you know, like so it just kind of like went from
2:14:08
there, man. And I didn't go a whole lot in
2:14:10
the beginning. I think I went for like an hour
2:14:12
of freedom moves or something because I had a shoot right
2:14:14
after or something like that. Then I think I went back for
2:14:19
either haunted moves, something like that.
2:14:21
And then I took my girlfriend at the time, now wife for stuffed
2:14:27
moves and she got put in a drift car and like she got her mind
2:14:32
blown there. Oh, haunted moves, I think.
2:14:35
Oh man, I got put in my like like shortly after I started
2:14:38
going there, I got put in my first drift car and it was Ben
2:14:41
Sarley's drift taxi. I don't know if you guys know
2:14:45
who Ben Sarley is. He was like an old school dude
2:14:49
that used to drift at Club Loose.
2:14:50
He had this drift taxi. It was like A5 series with I
2:14:54
think like an M5 swap in it or something.
2:14:57
Like that. You don't know this, Frankie.
2:14:58
Come on. Please.
2:14:59
I thought I was. I was looking at Frankie like
2:15:01
the whole time. I'm like, no, please, please,
2:15:03
please. Give me, give us an explanation,
2:15:05
please. Yeah.
2:15:06
But I got it, Frankie. I got put in the back passenger
2:15:10
seat, passenger side seat of that car for night laps.
2:15:15
This is like a 600 horsepower drift taxi.
2:15:17
Dude, And if you're in the back seat, do you know how far that
2:15:20
shit swings around? You're going like.
2:15:24
This. When the front of the car is
2:15:25
only doing this. Oh, it's like, you know what I
2:15:27
mean? It's like so insane.
2:15:29
I had the time of my life. I was just like.
2:15:32
Yes, this is so cool. Yo club loose at night is also
2:15:36
scary as shit. There's.
2:15:38
No lights. There's.
2:15:39
No lights back when? Back when there was Friday night
2:15:42
drift parties, if you have an S13 with the factory pop ups,
2:15:47
they're not the strongest lights.
2:15:50
Yeah, and like, dude, I remember just coming into turn 1.
2:15:54
I have bad astigmatism too, bro. It's all these lines in my eyes
2:15:59
and I'm like. Might as well be closing your
2:16:00
eyes. Where the hell is the turn?
2:16:02
Right here. Yeah, like where's the apex?
2:16:05
Right up the hill. And then it's also pitch black
2:16:08
because now you get the light from all the.
2:16:10
Stairs. That's the worst part.
2:16:12
And then it's like super, super dark and then you come down the
2:16:14
hill and then you feel fucking cool as fuck.
2:16:19
You hit that infield. Everybody's there because it's
2:16:21
Friday Night Drift, dude. What a time, dude.
2:16:24
Friday Night Drift was awesome. It was like 100.
2:16:27
It was. It was like 75 bucks to drive at
2:16:32
Club Blues. You would get out of work and
2:16:34
just jet the fuck over right down Route 18.
2:16:37
Try to leave early. Like just just lie down to
2:16:39
fucking club Blues. OK, it was so cool in the
2:16:42
beginning. I mean, it's still really.
2:16:43
Cool. It's still is awesome.
2:16:44
That's what I'm saying I. Need.
2:16:46
To get my way. Over there, I'll never like not
2:16:49
go back there at least I know like life is, you know, moving a
2:16:52
lot of people away from club loose, but it'll definitely
2:16:56
always be a home for me. I can't thank like the entire
2:17:01
club loose community enough or the naps or anybody else who
2:17:05
makes this shit happen. You guys like it is a village.
2:17:08
You're literally part of it. Yeah.
2:17:10
You're you're like, you're like part of it.
2:17:13
Yeah, you're a pretty big part of it, yeah.
2:17:14
Club loose makes man. Like I was talking.
2:17:17
I was talking to another buddy of mine who shoots photos, too.
2:17:19
Shout out, Javi. But a buddy of mine named Javi.
2:17:22
Yeah, I know. You know Javi?
2:17:23
Yeah, probably. Jeff's cousin or Jeff's nephew?
2:17:25
Yeah, but I was like, yo, you know James Gravy?
2:17:33
Oh, James, dude, you should. I totally forgot what he told me
2:17:36
to ask you. I'm so sorry.
2:17:37
But he he was just talking about how good of a person one of his
2:17:40
favorite photographer. I'm like, OK, perfect.
2:17:43
I can't wait. I can't wait to meet him, dude.
2:17:45
And now, now here you are. That's you're a part of it.
2:17:48
Yeah. Like your photos?
2:17:50
Media? Guys are a big part of it, yeah.
2:17:52
I'm I'm happy to be a part of it.
2:17:54
And it's so cool. I got a shout out.
2:17:56
So this shirt is from a a company, well, company
2:17:59
organization. I don't know if they're still
2:18:00
around. I hope they are called Drifting
2:18:02
for Kittens. Oh yeah, yeah, I got to shout
2:18:04
them out. One of the like highlights of my
2:18:08
time in the Drift community is my wife and I.
2:18:12
We have two cats. We used to have three cats, she
2:18:16
got. Him just left.
2:18:17
He fucking. He's the cat guy.
2:18:19
For the record, the third cat, Coco, he's still alive and well.
2:18:22
He lives with my parents now because trying to manage 3 cats
2:18:26
while your wife is going through like the Med school thing and
2:18:30
all of that, it was just like too much to try and handle.
2:18:32
So Coco lives with my parents. My dad loves him.
2:18:35
Coco loves my dad like he's this, this little professor cat.
2:18:38
Now he's all chubby. He has a bow tie.
2:18:40
He just like, hangs out with my dad all day sick.
2:18:42
But my mom's a big cat lady. She's a big animal person.
2:18:46
She's such. A like, well, she was a horse
2:18:48
person, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:18:50
Yeah, she's always been big into the horses.
2:18:52
Yeah. No, no, no, not the what the
2:18:54
fuck to the horse thing. What the fuck?
2:18:56
Where the hell did that come from?
2:18:57
He was a horse trainer or something, right?
2:19:00
So, yeah, I, I posted a thing for about Father's Day on my
2:19:03
Instagram with all this old footage that my mom gave me from
2:19:07
I was in the Devon horse show as like a, a toddler, basically
2:19:11
like 21 months old. My mom loves horses.
2:19:14
So she put me on this Little Pony and I'm like riding around.
2:19:18
This is like 1991. I'm like riding around.
2:19:20
She's like walking me around on this, this horse.
2:19:25
But anyway, so my mom loves animals and you know, they still
2:19:28
live in this like borough of South Coatesville that's got a
2:19:30
lot of like property turnover and a lot of like rental people
2:19:33
who like dump their pets unfortunately and stuff like
2:19:35
that. So.
2:19:36
Fuck. She takes care of like all the
2:19:39
cats that end up in her yard and gets them like spayed and
2:19:41
neutered and stuff. She got this pregnant Mama cat
2:19:44
in the cat had kittens and in 2019 my my girlfriend now wife
2:19:52
adopted one of the kittens who became Coco and so he's a male
2:19:56
cat. Male cats can tend to have this
2:19:58
issue with their their urethra where like they make too many
2:20:03
crystals in their bladder and it blocks up their urethra and it
2:20:05
can be a really like serious issue they.
2:20:07
Can't. Holy crap.
2:20:08
So Coco started to have these issues like late 2021 and we had
2:20:14
like no money. Like this was after the
2:20:16
pandemic. I had like no job.
2:20:19
I was just starting to like make a name for myself like
2:20:22
freelancing and all that. My wife's still like going
2:20:25
through residency and all that. Like we had no money.
2:20:28
Coco got super sick and I put out a, a GoFundMe because like
2:20:34
we needed some way to take care of this cat.
2:20:38
Like we had no money to do it. And the drift community came
2:20:42
together and I think like in total they like funded like 4
2:20:47
1/2 or 5 grand for us for this cat.
2:20:50
So like again, thank you drift community, you guys like thank
2:20:56
you so much. I will forever be in your debt.
2:20:59
Hell yeah for Coco. Man, Yeah, so Coco's doing
2:21:02
great. He's alive and well.
2:21:03
He's he's with his cat grandparents and he's living his
2:21:06
best life. And that is because of drifting
2:21:08
for kittens and it's because of Club Loose and it's because of
2:21:11
everybody. Hell yeah.
2:21:14
That's insane, man. I.
2:21:15
Really say that, dude, you don't.
2:21:17
You don't. You don't usually hear those
2:21:18
stories. You're the opposite.
2:21:20
So that's pretty. Good, sometimes the the
2:21:22
community can really band together and get shit done for
2:21:25
real. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:21:26
So that was really nice. Yeah, it was.
2:21:29
I'm super thankful for all of it.
2:21:30
I love Sammy of Drifting for Kittens.
2:21:32
I've known her since I started drifting.
2:21:34
Yeah. Yeah, she's always doing.
2:21:35
She's super solid. Selling the coolest stickers
2:21:37
too. Yeah.
2:21:38
Yeah, absolutely. Her.
2:21:40
Her whole aesthetic to me is absolutely hilarious.
2:21:42
Yeah. So.
2:21:42
Like she's awesome. I'm all about it.
2:21:44
Sweet. Do I have time to tell one more
2:21:46
hilarious club blue story? Yeah, yeah, absolutely, bro.
2:21:49
All right, so I think it was like my first summer at Club
2:21:54
Loose. I still didn't know anybody.
2:21:55
This was like 20, like summer 2018.
2:21:59
I had the WRXI, bought the WRX like early 2018, like February,
2:22:04
and I went to the track for a 2 day event, might have been ECB
2:22:09
or something like that. And as was before, I was like
2:22:12
camping out in the pits. So at the end of the day, camped
2:22:16
out all the way out in the field, like where spectators
2:22:19
are. But like spectators at this
2:22:21
point, we're still camping out like way out there, like almost
2:22:23
back kind of where like the shop is how?
2:22:25
Yeah, that's crazy shit. And that is Mosquito fucking
2:22:29
Alley. Dude.
2:22:30
Oh, the whole place is Mosquito Alley, Yeah.
2:22:32
But particularly in that that little grassy Knoll where
2:22:35
there's. Nothing else.
2:22:37
Yeah. Dude, that is.
2:22:39
The grassy Knoll, the. Grassy.
2:22:40
Knoll Yeah. Oh my gosh.
2:22:42
Just me and JFK. 'S coast dude.
2:22:44
Nice. So.
2:22:47
It's like late at night and you know, like after a day of
2:22:50
drifting and then a night of like drinking with like the few
2:22:53
people that I did know, I knew like 3 people there, like a
2:22:56
night of drinking, you know, playing past the Dutchie, all of
2:22:58
that. I went back to my car and I'm
2:23:00
like camping out in my car for the night.
2:23:03
So I get my car all ready to camp out and I got my air
2:23:07
mattress. Like the WX is awesome because
2:23:09
if you fold the front seats forward and then push them all
2:23:13
the way forward, there's enough room in the back to fit a a twin
2:23:16
air mattress does. It.
2:23:17
Really. Yeah, I'm 6 foot and I sleep in
2:23:20
my car comfortably. That I'm not a you know what?
2:23:24
Now he's getting a super. You're sold.
2:23:25
You. You sold me on it.
2:23:27
I need 1 Malcolm. Dude I'm telling you man, best
2:23:32
car I've ever had. It's so good.
2:23:34
Dude, Malcolm's getting one for my brother and like, I feel like
2:23:38
I need one too because everyone's dude, Derek bought a
2:23:40
fit, You saw that? Derek's bought 3 three cars in
2:23:43
the last three weeks. They're all at my house.
2:23:46
But no, the, and while everybody's buying Honda Fits,
2:23:49
we should be buying, It's got to be dropping other things down
2:23:54
like that's, that is a feature that people probably don't know.
2:23:59
Because when I look at those hatches, I would have never
2:24:01
thought that I'm like, oh, it's it's got to be kind of smaller
2:24:04
in there because it's a, because it's a sedan car that has a
2:24:09
hatch version. So you I assumed it's probably
2:24:13
small. It's real comfy. 6 foot.
2:24:17
And if you get one of those camp, this is something I
2:24:19
recently discovered. If you get one of those camp
2:24:21
pads that's really just made for one person and is like one
2:24:24
person's width, you can just put the passenger seat forward.
2:24:28
And also seat on that side so. It's even more like Top Gear.
2:24:32
And then you have a whole other half of the back to like, put
2:24:34
all your stuff down. You're a Top Gear challenge, you
2:24:37
get watcher. I forgot that was one of the
2:24:39
first pieces of information. I hate moving my driver's seat
2:24:43
as a manual car driver. I hate it because it never feels
2:24:47
like it goes. Back to the right spot, but you
2:24:49
know, touchdown, you're like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:24:51
So. That's so real.
2:24:53
What are you doing? Yes.
2:24:55
I mean I'm the type person that doesn't move a seat no matter
2:24:58
what. Like if I get in it in someone
2:24:59
else's car I never move. I don't touch it.
2:25:01
I'll just drive. I'll drive like this.
2:25:03
Yeah. And they're like, move the seat,
2:25:04
get comfortable. I'm like, Nah, that's you.
2:25:06
That's your seat. No, no, that's that's absolutely
2:25:09
correct. It's so.
2:25:09
Tricky, though. Yeah.
2:25:10
So it's like 11:30 at night, maybe midnight.
2:25:14
I'm winding down. I'm out in the middle of this
2:25:16
field. There's like other cars around
2:25:18
me, but like everybody's like going to bed for the night, you
2:25:20
know all that. I'm sitting in the front
2:25:23
passenger seat, like probably brushing my teeth or something
2:25:26
like that. I've got the rear all ready to
2:25:28
go. I've got the keys sitting in the
2:25:31
cup holder. No.
2:25:33
And I get out. I, for whatever reason, I locked
2:25:38
the door and then stood up out of the car.
2:25:42
Well, the passenger seat is still open.
2:25:44
And then I shut the door and the car just goes.
2:25:49
Boop, I'm. Like.
2:25:52
So cute. Oh my God, cool.
2:25:55
And I'm like, fuck, I'm in like T-shirt and gym shorts, no shoes
2:26:02
on, phones in the car, everything is in the car.
2:26:06
I'm like. I'm like, I'm going to have to
2:26:09
schlep a quarter mile to the pits barefoot, find the most
2:26:15
sober person I can that's still awake, and then I don't know
2:26:18
what I'm going to do 'cause like, what's the next plan?
2:26:21
What are they? Going to do like give.
2:26:23
Me A. Floor to sleep on in the shanty
2:26:25
or something like what am I going to do?
2:26:27
I was like I was like so determined for this to not
2:26:30
happen I was like no, no, no, this is not fucking happening
2:26:33
right now like no, no way I refuse yes I refuse.
2:26:37
So I'm like working my little squirrel brain, like, what the
2:26:41
hell can I do? You know, like and I'm thinking
2:26:44
like. With bare feet, by the way, and
2:26:46
for those of you for, for the people who don't understand what
2:26:48
the pits look like at club barefoot in the and in your in
2:26:52
the pits where it's like it's coarse gravel really mainly and
2:26:58
grass, but in the grass, in the grass.
2:27:00
What sucks is you can't see. What's in the grass?
2:27:04
No, it's. Like stepping on a Lego in.
2:27:05
Shankar like yeah, so yeah. And it's late.
2:27:09
Yeah. And your phone is in the car, so
2:27:12
that means you're dark. And no light.
2:27:14
No light. Yeah.
2:27:15
So I'm like it. Sounds great.
2:27:17
I'm like, what the hell am I gonna do, dude?
2:27:19
Sleep on the roof. No, yeah.
2:27:20
I was like, am I just gonna lay down on the grass here and like,
2:27:23
collect dew in the morning to roof like the roof?
2:27:25
Would have been a good idea. That would have been good.
2:27:27
So I I'm like, oh shit, my windows were down just enough
2:27:34
that I could get my hands in up to my wrist and I'm like, huh,
2:27:39
OK, I can get a hand inside the car.
2:27:42
What do I'm thinking to myself? Maybe I'm like I don't even know
2:27:46
if my locks work this way but maybe if I can get something in
2:27:49
there and like leverage the inner like door latch I can like
2:27:54
get the door to pop open from. The inside yes, yes, yes.
2:27:57
And I'm like. What the hell am I going to use?
2:27:59
And I'm like. Windshield wiper.
2:28:02
Yup. Yup, Yup, Yup, Yup.
2:28:05
Bro, come on, dude, come on. That was sick.
2:28:09
You can't make that shit up. Pop the windshield wiper off the
2:28:11
car and I get it in there up to my wrist and I'm, like trying
2:28:16
to, like, pry on the, like, inner door latch and, you know,
2:28:18
it's just like a little flappy guy.
2:28:19
So you can get lots of leverage on it.
2:28:21
Yeah, but like, it's not. There's no button for you to
2:28:24
just go. No, there's no button.
2:28:26
Well, there was a button maybe on on my driver's.
2:28:28
Door but you are on the I don't pass the windows side.
2:28:32
Yeah, I think only my rear windows were down.
2:28:35
So I'm like fuck. And I'm like trying at this for
2:28:37
like 3 or 4 minutes. I'm like, I don't know what to
2:28:39
do, dude. Dude.
2:28:40
Like obviously, like if the doors are locked, like you can't
2:28:42
pull the inner door handle and expect it to open.
2:28:44
I'm like, shit. So I'm like about to accept
2:28:47
defeat and I'm like, fuck it, one more time, let's pull on the
2:28:52
outer door handle. And I pull on it and the door
2:28:55
opens and the alarm goes off and it's like, it's like you could
2:29:01
probably hear it for four miles. I have hell of horns on the car
2:29:04
too. And it's so like.
2:29:08
They're just point blanking everybody else that's within
2:29:11
like a quarter mile radius of me and I dive for the keys and I
2:29:15
hit the button and shut it off and I'm like, why did that just
2:29:19
work? What if you just like, bonked it
2:29:22
just enough? Just that little lock guy.
2:29:23
That's what happened, the little butterfly switch while I was
2:29:26
trying to open the door. I ended up accidentally flicking
2:29:29
the butterfly switch and unlocking the door without
2:29:32
knowing. Just dumb luck.
2:29:34
Lucky guy. So you just went to open it.
2:29:36
You're like, maybe it'll just be open, Yeah.
2:29:38
And it was and it was and it was.
2:29:40
And I was just like, dodge that bullet.
2:29:43
There was one of my first times showing up to Club Blues.
2:29:48
It was hot moves. Usually it's in May.
2:29:53
Is it hot? Yes, it's hot.
2:29:55
Hot moves. No, no, hot.
2:29:57
Moves is like a July. June, June, July.
2:29:59
Nonetheless, it was it was hot moves.
2:30:01
When it's real. Hot.
2:30:02
I was in the tech line and while I was getting teched, like I
2:30:06
looked over to the left and there's somebody in a kiddie
2:30:09
pool passed off. Fuck out.
2:30:11
Just like arms or legs. Like the bottom half of your
2:30:16
legs. So knees and below out of the
2:30:17
pool. Yeah.
2:30:18
And your elbows and above, so you by your hands out of the
2:30:22
pool. So just their torso was in the
2:30:24
pool. And I was like what the fuck?
2:30:27
Yeah, hot move. Yep, that's it dude.
2:30:30
I just told my wife last week I was like, yo, I'm thinking about
2:30:33
getting us a kiddie pool because.
2:30:35
Dude, get one of a tractor supply man them like like water
2:30:38
through things. Oh my God.
2:30:39
Just kind of sick. Yeah, might might be the movie.
2:30:42
It's my country persona. Yeah, yeah.
2:30:43
That'd be that'd be sick. We got some questions, comments,
2:30:46
concerns. I'm just going to run through
2:30:48
some of these real quick, all right?
2:30:49
What do we got? Ricardo, He asked.
2:30:51
Are you for or against cropping photos?
2:30:54
Oh dude Ricardo what's up bro? Ricardo's been following me
2:30:58
forever and I just started following him last week as we
2:31:02
started jumping it up at the track.
2:31:04
Ricardo what's up buddy? Cleanest S13 S 14.
2:31:09
S13180SX still still 80. He has.
2:31:13
Such. A nice big car.
2:31:16
I'm not against cropping photos. I think a photo should be
2:31:22
croppable. I think the more latitude you
2:31:26
have when you shoot it, the more options you can deliver to a
2:31:29
potential client. So this is me thinking as
2:31:32
someone who is shot for brands, shot for companies like worked
2:31:36
with graphic designers internally, externally, all of
2:31:38
that. They like to have options.
2:31:42
So like, you know, even some of my broker clients that I work
2:31:45
with now, they'll be like, hey, can you like shoot extra wide on
2:31:48
this one? Because we're thinking about
2:31:50
putting it in this e-mail. Or maybe it's a horizontal photo
2:31:53
that you need to crop vertical at some point for like a Stinger
2:31:56
or something like that. So I think if there's a purpose
2:32:01
for it or you think you're going to need that crop down the line,
2:32:06
yeah, shoot wider crop your photo.
2:32:09
Yeah. Is that like a thing that people
2:32:10
are like against that? Yeah, I was about to ask that.
2:32:13
Is that like? There's what's the.
2:32:14
Equivalent of that for drifting. It's like, it's like.
2:32:17
Not using a handbrake. No, it's I feel like crop in a
2:32:20
photo is like it's like putting a sticker for your Defy gauge
2:32:26
that's fake on the car. That's what crop in a photo is,
2:32:30
I guess or putting the TE 37. No, that's.
2:32:33
Pretty bad though. I mean, that's what I think.
2:32:35
That's why I'm. That's what I was saying, even
2:32:37
know what the equipment would be.
2:32:39
But yeah, I think like depending on how much like, you know,
2:32:42
space you have in your camera, like my camera's 45 megapixels,
2:32:45
which is like 8000 pixels on the long side, a little more than
2:32:49
that 8200. So like I can crop a lot and
2:32:52
retain a lot of detail. I feel like when I read that I'm
2:32:54
like sounds like not cropping is cool or something.
2:32:57
No. Or maybe that's what.
2:33:00
You think it would? Be cool.
2:33:01
There is like an A like, you know, some photographers will be
2:33:06
like, oh, like crop in camera and stuff like that.
2:33:09
And it's like, the reality is that just doesn't always work.
2:33:12
Yeah. Because like.
2:33:14
Like I said, like somebody down the line, depending on who
2:33:16
you're shooting for or what you're shooting for or somebody
2:33:18
down the line might not be able to use a a certain crop you got
2:33:21
to give them. I'm going to go with your I feel
2:33:24
like opinion on this. Yeah, that's equivalent to like
2:33:26
a angle kit, angle kit and no angle kit type of thing.
2:33:33
No. OK, maybe.
2:33:34
Nah, Nah, Nah, yeah. Cause 'cause then like, I don't
2:33:37
know, 'cause then what I'm thinking about people who don't
2:33:39
crop are like film. You couldn't.
2:33:42
You couldn't just be like with film, couldn't you?
2:33:46
Like film as in video or film as in or.
2:33:48
Like, like film photos? Yeah.
2:33:50
Like film photography? Yeah.
2:33:52
You can analog photos have so much grain even like even like
2:33:57
lower ASA exposure, you're still going to see the grain in there.
2:34:01
I mean, like the nice thing about film is it has no limit,
2:34:04
right? So like you can take like a 35mm
2:34:09
piece of film stock and put it through a an enlarger and blow
2:34:12
it up to be like a 20 by 30 print.
2:34:15
But can you? Can you?
2:34:16
Can you choose to grab like a section of that?
2:34:19
If you scan it in digitally, you still could, yeah, yeah, if you
2:34:22
digitized it, but. Prior, but prior I'm saying like
2:34:25
the old way, would you have to like cut it?
2:34:27
No cropping would happen really typically.
2:34:30
So that's why I'm like, they wanna.
2:34:32
It's the people who like, just like people who like
2:34:35
shovelheads, dude. Yeah, it's literally that.
2:34:38
Nerd nerd shit. You'd be surprised by how much
2:34:41
older photos were edited. Like you'll see a lot of you'll
2:34:43
see a lot of dudes who are like do all this before Photoshop and
2:34:47
they did, they just did it in a dark room.
2:34:49
That's what dark rooms were for. That's cool.
2:34:52
To me it's like, what can you do?
2:34:54
Yeah, look up old school, look up any old film photography
2:34:58
that's marked up. You find it all over Google the
2:35:01
amount of editing that goes into it.
2:35:04
Tons and tons of editing. Damn, that was that sounds nuts.
2:35:07
They're not like content aware filling shit like they are now
2:35:11
or using AI or anything like that.
2:35:12
But yeah, they dodge and burn and potentially you add things
2:35:16
in or remove things if they could get away with it.
2:35:20
I could see them adding like UFOs in the sky.
2:35:23
Yeah, it. Could like.
2:35:24
Whoa. It's a lot easier to doctor
2:35:26
stuff back then, you know, like so much.
2:35:29
Easier way this guy you see that trying to start some shit.
2:35:33
I'm just saying. The other day, you the other
2:35:36
day. Remember when we were talking
2:35:37
about what were we talking about?
2:35:41
Obama doing something. I don't know.
2:35:44
Yes, we were. And guess what?
2:35:46
That pod got taken down. Oh.
2:35:49
Did I screenshot and send it to you?
2:35:51
We were talking. About something.
2:35:52
Yeah, I remember. We were.
2:35:53
Talking about something and then.
2:35:54
We were going crazy on. That one, yeah.
2:35:56
But why did it get deleted? Like, come on.
2:36:01
No, we said something. Oh I know.
2:36:02
I got fucking deleted, Malcolm. Was it that one where you showed
2:36:06
the whole trailer 28 years later?
2:36:08
Oh yeah, that's why. Oh, that's why I got deleted,
2:36:11
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's.
2:36:12
A trailer. We're trying to show people
2:36:14
they're trailer. You should be happy.
2:36:15
Right, that's what I was like. It was awesome, by the way.
2:36:18
Yeah. Oh, you did see it.
2:36:19
How how do you like how that was shot and everything you know I
2:36:21
love. That Danny Boyle does so much
2:36:25
cool stuff like ignores rules like you must shoot an AK.
2:36:28
Like ignores all that stuff. Like the original, you know 28
2:36:33
Days Later was shot on like such.
2:36:36
Low budget. Cameras like one of the coolest.
2:36:39
I, I like took a deep dive into all his production stuff after
2:36:42
we after we saw 28 years later. And it was like the funniest
2:36:47
thing that I saw was, you know, they did all the like with
2:36:50
Killian Murphy, all the when he's like first out of the
2:36:52
hospital and he's just running through like an empty London.
2:36:55
They didn't have the budget to shut down the streets and the
2:37:00
police were like, well, you can't stop people from crossing
2:37:03
like traffic and stuff, but you can't ask them nicely.
2:37:06
So Danny Boyle went out at 4:00 AM to film Killian Murphy, like
2:37:11
running around London. And his like idea was that,
2:37:15
well, the only people running around at 4:00 AM are like
2:37:17
dudes, you know? So he brought his like teenage
2:37:20
daughter out, his like 18 year old daughter and her friends had
2:37:24
them like stand at either end of like the section of Rd. that
2:37:27
they were trying to film on. And just kind of like flag down
2:37:31
the cars and like, you know, put the sweet talk on the guys and
2:37:34
be like, oh, do you mind? Like, you know, hanging out for
2:37:36
a minute while my dad films this scene with Gillian Murphy.
2:37:39
He's a really big star, you know, Like, that was it.
2:37:42
That was it, like. That's crazy.
2:37:44
One of the most like disruptive zombie movies ever made and it
2:37:50
was like shot on a shoestring. I can't believe that they didn't
2:37:53
pay to show any any. They didn't pay to show any of
2:37:56
that. They like didn't have the
2:37:57
budget. You just got to find that.
2:37:58
Just goes to show you that New York City is unlike any other
2:38:01
fucking city out there because you could never fucking just
2:38:03
like, wiggle your way through that.
2:38:06
No, you know what I mean. Why not?
2:38:08
Times Square is never empty. I forget what movie it is.
2:38:12
There's a movie that holds the record for like, the most
2:38:16
expensive. Yeah, Shot with Tom Cruise.
2:38:18
We were talking about this, I think.
2:38:19
It's vanilla Sky maybe? I've never seen actually, I
2:38:21
think. Vanilla Sky.
2:38:22
A good movie, but. It's.
2:38:24
They had to shut down all of Times Square.
2:38:26
Yeah, unless I'm thinking of the wrong one.
2:38:27
What was the plot of Vanilla Sky with Tom Cruise?
2:38:29
Never seen it. It's like a.
2:38:30
Weird thriller movie like some weird.
2:38:33
Shit I I have that DVDI don't know why I think I unless that
2:38:37
I'm thinking of the wrong thing but on camera DS.
2:38:41
Yeah, maybe. In vanilla Sky.
2:38:43
Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I don't know.
2:38:46
I think so. If only we have.
2:38:47
Google. I'm gonna look that up, Malcolm.
2:38:49
Don't, don't, don't. Don't worry, he's not.
2:38:52
Don't worry, he's not. It's crazy, all right?
2:38:56
What else we got, Sky? Ricardo asked.
2:38:58
Do you feel cameras are improved too quickly, making them
2:39:01
obsolete after a few years? You know, it's not about the
2:39:06
camera, it's about the photographer.
2:39:08
I think with the the onset of good mirrorless cameras, I think
2:39:16
it's really about what you're shooting for.
2:39:19
The the cameras these days are so future proof.
2:39:21
Like I just spent between a new camera and a new laptop.
2:39:25
I just spent 10 grand on new new kit over the winter.
2:39:29
That job's paying off. It's all financed.
2:39:33
So. Pro tip, B&H offers a like
2:39:39
credit card that you can get like 12 month interest
2:39:42
refinancing. That's basically a free business
2:39:45
loan. So I did that for my camera and
2:39:48
then PayPal Credit six months interest free financing for my
2:39:53
laptop and it's like I have the I have the money if I needed to
2:39:58
pay it outright. But this way I can let my money
2:40:02
continue to accumulate interest and like be there when I need it
2:40:05
and just pay this kid off over time as I use it.
2:40:10
I think to a certain degree cameras aren't moving too fast.
2:40:16
I think the industry as a whole is just moving so fast.
2:40:19
I mean, like AI is already leaps and bounds better than it was
2:40:24
last year, better than the year it was before I started messing
2:40:28
around with the AI thing. When it started to become
2:40:30
popular in like 2022, I had a mid journey account and like it
2:40:36
couldn't even make a car, you know?
2:40:38
And in three years now I think it was 22, maybe 23, whatever.
2:40:42
It was one of those blurred years.
2:40:44
Now it's like you can photo render stuff, like stuff that
2:40:50
you can't even tell if it's real or not.
2:40:52
And it's like it's come so far so fast.
2:40:55
And I called this like early on, I was like, we're getting into
2:40:59
the like decent stills part, just wait until we start having
2:41:03
AI rendered footage and we're there now, yeah.
2:41:06
Like, it's scary. Yeah, a little bit.
2:41:08
You can't tell like, no more people with seven fingers like.
2:41:11
Yeah, that was, that was for like what, 6 months and then
2:41:13
that was gone. Yeah, like, like the latest
2:41:16
version of whatever the Google prompt is that you can literally
2:41:18
just like type in a prompt and it will generate an entire short
2:41:22
film that looks like it was made by a million dollar production
2:41:27
company. And it's like it's it's one of
2:41:30
the scariest parts of the industry because we're already
2:41:33
seeing the effects of it in the technology sectors.
2:41:37
I think like Microsoft just laid off like 9000 people or
2:41:40
something like that while having record high profits or shares or
2:41:45
whatever. It's like all the entry level
2:41:48
positions, like coders that you know would normally do this
2:41:51
stuff like AI is doing it now and I'm using it like I use
2:41:57
ChatGPT to help me like code HTML and stuff for my website
2:42:00
because I don't know how to code HTMLI can read it.
2:42:03
I can understand it because I did a little bit of it in
2:42:05
college. But like it's just the way
2:42:09
things are going. It's, it's like, I think AI is
2:42:11
basically tripping over itself trying to improve and we're
2:42:16
going like, we're going far fast, a little too far, a little
2:42:20
too fast. I think it's like when are like
2:42:24
soon we're going to get to the point where a company like
2:42:26
Toyota or Subaru or someone, instead of hiring a production
2:42:29
crew to go out into the woods for two weeks and film and
2:42:32
photograph the new wilderness edition of one of their cars or
2:42:35
whatever, it's just going to be rendered on AI.
2:42:38
Yeah, that's kind of freaky. You know, I was just like spaced
2:42:41
out just thinking about the fact that AI really is going to do
2:42:46
that. Yeah, they're going to have to
2:42:47
figure out some. Them office?
2:42:49
No, dude, all of them. Figure out some crazy stuff.
2:42:51
All of them. Fucking jobs.
2:42:53
Every single one of them. Fucking jobs that was at my old
2:42:55
office that I worked at? Gone.
2:42:57
Yep. What they're going to do it
2:43:00
because. Dude, it's it would, it would be
2:43:01
so easy. Those are most the most mundane
2:43:04
functions ever on a computer. When is a company ever preferred
2:43:07
people over saving money? Dude, that is crazy.
2:43:11
Like it's going to happen, you know.
2:43:13
And so like I'm also as a photographer, like not to get
2:43:17
too off topic, but I'm trying to stay in a lane where I know I
2:43:20
have job security. Like I would love to be the guy
2:43:22
that's shooting commercials for Toyota, but I just don't know
2:43:25
that by the time I made those connections and getting there,
2:43:28
like there is still going to be a job.
2:43:30
But like if you want to like sell your 1978 Ferrari Lamont
2:43:35
car that there's only three of them in the world.
2:43:39
AI can't render that. You need to photograph that like
2:43:43
hey, I can maybe render a a vision of that car, but it's
2:43:46
not. That.
2:43:47
Car, you know, like people. There's still going to be
2:43:49
instances where people need to see the actual version of what
2:43:53
they're getting. People are still going to need
2:43:56
portraits, like real portraits. Like in a way, there is like a
2:44:01
space where on a certain level, photography is becoming more in
2:44:05
demand because it's real. And I think at some point,
2:44:08
probably much like all of Gen. Z is bringing back like analog,
2:44:13
you know, like records and like wired headphones and like 90s
2:44:17
clothing and all that. Damn, I never left wired
2:44:19
headphones. Dude, I didn't either.
2:44:20
Yeah, I still have. But the problem is, is that this
2:44:23
phone that I got no longer takes that new thing that I got like
2:44:28
that. The Lightning, the.
2:44:29
Lightning one, yeah, and now I need to get headphones for this
2:44:33
that are wired. Yep, it's like a new Yeah, this
2:44:35
exists. This is a USBC.
2:44:37
You got USBC uncle. Fuck no, I don't.
2:44:39
Yeah. What do you what do you have?
2:44:41
Some old shit bro. You got the.
2:44:42
You got the lightning. The lightning, yeah.
2:44:44
Is it a lightning? You show it to James.
2:44:46
Is it the lightning? Yeah, it's the skinny guy,
2:44:48
right? Yeah, that's the lightning.
2:44:50
Thank you dude, the USBC thing's kind of convenient.
2:44:54
For me, I wish they would not fucking change the charging port
2:44:57
like every 10 years. Like five years.
2:44:58
It's not going to happen anymore.
2:45:00
Yo. It was like.
2:45:01
I'll I'll remember to you gotta. Remember that?
2:45:04
Remember that you remember your phones?
2:45:06
Our phone errors, dude, The every charger was fucking
2:45:10
different dude, and we had a different charger Razor you.
2:45:13
Know once you got an iPhone, that was it.
2:45:14
That was it. Yeah.
2:45:16
But that that was a that was a new thing.
2:45:18
Now you're spoiled. Now you're spoiled.
2:45:20
That's it, Yeah. Unless you had Android, you used
2:45:23
to be able to use micro USB for all of them.
2:45:25
So they were kind of. Yeah, they were a little ahead
2:45:27
of the. Curve a little bit, but nobody
2:45:28
talks about that. I think it was like an EU ruling
2:45:31
or something like that that said told Apple.
2:45:33
Like you have to go USBC or? We're not going to let you sell
2:45:37
your phones in our country, Yeah.
2:45:39
You can't do this bullshit anymore.
2:45:40
Jesus, I'm glad they did. They also did the whole thing
2:45:42
with the iMessage, right? Oh, make it more compatible
2:45:46
with. Yeah, I think.
2:45:47
Yeah, yeah, it still doesn't work right.
2:45:49
I was about to switch this to a flip phone because I saw a
2:45:51
TikTok one day. They almost sold me on that
2:45:54
shit. I want to get a flip phone so
2:45:55
bad you. Would dude, you could take the
2:45:57
SIM out of that and put it in a flip phone and it would do
2:45:59
everything. I don't want to do that.
2:46:02
I want to get rid of this and not have anything but I want
2:46:05
Spotify on a flip phone. Yeah, that's it.
2:46:07
That's the only thing that's on it.
2:46:09
IPod. IPod.
2:46:10
Yo, somebody, I know exactly what somebody's getting for
2:46:13
Christmas, bro. I know exactly what it is.
2:46:16
You would love this thing. All right, Malcolm, You know
2:46:19
what I'm talking about. Yeah, dude, he would love it.
2:46:23
Fuck yeah. All right.
2:46:24
I got to remember that. The only other thing was Jake
2:46:26
Parish said. Gravy train James.
2:46:28
So many memories with him when I first started media.
2:46:31
Jake Parrish. Good old Jake Parrish shout out.
2:46:33
Jake Parrish. Yeah, that's right.
2:46:35
Jake was. Jake was a media guy.
2:46:37
He was a media guy, Yeah. He was just a little nipper.
2:46:39
Yeah, dude. Some of some of y'all make it,
2:46:42
some of y'all don't. It was Whoa, Jake.
2:46:44
Jake's. Making it dude Jake is awesome.
2:46:47
Jake is a. Driving Prodigy though, yeah,
2:46:50
but he's got an Else 1 so now I don't even know what he's doing.
2:46:53
Now that guy is. Just look at him.
2:46:56
That guy is. He's not.
2:46:57
Even happy about it, he's. That guy is in LS1.
2:47:01
He's like, he's like, yeah, I gotta get the LS1 for you.
2:47:03
Crumple him up. He's like.
2:47:04
Yeah, I know you. Crumple him up and envision Jake
2:47:07
as a motor LS. All the I feel like he's that
2:47:12
engine you were talking about in that Corolla.
2:47:15
What is it? Two ZZ or no?
2:47:16
No, no, no, no, that's not Jake that that motor is highly
2:47:19
efficient and lean. OK, so never mind.
2:47:22
That's dude, that's crazy. That's not Jake.
2:47:25
One of my You gotta love Jake for who Jake is.
2:47:27
One of my funniest Jake Parish moments was you guys know Justin
2:47:31
Cottrell right? He had the Turbo Miata at Club
2:47:35
Loose. Yeah, yeah.
2:47:36
Yeah, yeah. So, you know, he's all tattered
2:47:38
up and like one of the events when Jake was still like before
2:47:42
he could even drink, I think. I don't know.
2:47:43
Maybe he's like nubile. Maniac.
2:47:46
Yeah, young Jake he. Like he got like everybody at
2:47:49
Sneaky Pete's to like, draw all over his body.
2:47:52
And. He, like, was walking around
2:47:56
shirtless the next day and like, I took a photo of him.
2:47:59
And then I also had took a photo of Justin Cottrell with no shirt
2:48:03
and I put them side by side. I was just like, like father,
2:48:06
like son, you know, like. 'Cause it was just.
2:48:08
Are you the reason that was his dad like that was no.
2:48:11
It was already a thing before then.
2:48:13
Like they did that themselves. I'm not.
2:48:16
I wasn't trying to put any like family together like that, but I
2:48:19
was just like, dude, like this is hilarious.
2:48:23
Like couldn't have painted a more like Jake Parrish picture.
2:48:26
We need to get that kid a new hat, I think.
2:48:28
No, I got him. I think I gave him one.
2:48:30
Dude for Christmas. I think his girlfriend came in
2:48:32
here and. Bought 1 I think.
2:48:33
He's fucking gone through that one already.
2:48:36
Yeah, he probably did, dude. I don't think he leaves his
2:48:38
head, dude. Yeah, and when it does, you know
2:48:42
what I mean? That's.
2:48:44
Fucking dude, you know? I'm not saying.
2:48:46
Anything dumb but Jake I'll get most loyal hat wear ever a.
2:48:51
100%. Everywhere I got.
2:48:52
This he promoted that hat more than we ever did.
2:48:55
Seriously, like it doesn't leave his head and I got AI got a
2:48:59
fucking awesome photo of him. Look at him wearing the hat
2:49:02
right there. There he is at poker.
2:49:05
That's your boy. Yeah, that was RSD.
2:49:07
That hat does not leave his head yet.
2:49:09
It was RSD. We were talking about before we
2:49:11
started or earlier we were saying you've only shot at club
2:49:15
loose so far, right? I've shot at club loose, did 2
2:49:19
rounds of FDNJ and it's kind of. It's kind of yeah.
2:49:24
I shot at Thompson once. I went for.
2:49:27
That's cool for a lock city drift or no.
2:49:28
It was final bout special stage E 21 I.
2:49:31
Think that's the one that you judged?
2:49:33
You need to go to final bout in the Midwest because you need to
2:49:36
go to that track it. Wouldn't be cool.
2:49:37
I would love to see a a gravy set.
2:49:39
From more importantly, he needs to go to the the Toge ones.
2:49:43
They'd be doing Drift Appalachia.
2:49:45
Appalachia You. Know that would be crazy to see.
2:49:48
I've been wanting to go to that. I don't know.
2:49:50
I don't think it's going to happen for reasons outside of my
2:49:53
control. It's pretty far as shit.
2:49:57
I mean, that's not the issue. It's I, I, I don't think the
2:50:01
people running it would let me in, really.
2:50:04
It's a long story. It's.
2:50:05
Not. It's not a story for the
2:50:07
podcast. All right, that's good.
2:50:09
I'll tell you guys offline. All right, that's for the
2:50:12
Patreon. Only you.
2:50:12
Know no, no, there's not. But is there anything else that
2:50:16
you wanted to share or or dude, thank you for coming on the
2:50:19
podcast. Thank you.
2:50:19
Guys, thank you for driving. It's been amazing.
2:50:21
It's finally great to meet you like the person behind the lens.
2:50:24
Oh, and I. Think we'll have to have another
2:50:25
one because you got a lot of stories.
2:50:26
Oh. Absolutely, guys, I would love
2:50:28
to come back, yeah. Dude we need to do like a maybe
2:50:32
like a club loose one but involve like I don't know what.
2:50:35
More media people, you mean? Like yeah, that would be cool.
2:50:38
GABA Ghoul and a couple other people reached out to me to say
2:50:41
that they wanted to do one with us.
2:50:43
So I was like, no, let me talk about.
2:50:44
Maybe we should get a couple media people and do something
2:50:47
like that. I guess.
2:50:48
I mean, we like to have, we like have media guys on cuz it gives
2:50:50
you a different perspective, you know?
2:50:52
Yeah. No, me and the me and like the
2:50:55
core media dudes who made-up like most of the, the, I guess
2:51:00
primary group from like, I don't know, 2018 onward or we've kind
2:51:06
of like phased out now, but we're all still in a group chat
2:51:09
together. Where do you all go to Trog
2:51:10
together every year? Like last year it was like 7 or
2:51:13
8 of us deep that went to Trog. Like people are slowly moving on
2:51:18
to new stuff. Like just life is happening.
2:51:21
Yeah. But we try to get together still
2:51:24
and it would be cool to have some of those guys on.
2:51:26
Here we'll be at Trog with cars, dude.
2:51:28
There's so many other there's another guy I know that when I
2:51:30
went to Rowan with recently that I I, and he's into bikes too,
2:51:35
goes to Trog the race of gentleman's or whatever, dude.
2:51:39
I wonder if do you know what Ryan says?
2:51:42
I feel like I've heard that name, but I don't.
2:51:44
He would always shoot turn one at club loose, but he was always
2:51:46
in the bikes and always going to the race.
2:51:48
The gentleman's before I even knew what that was.
2:51:50
Yeah, shout out Ryan's ass. But yeah, thanks for coming on
2:51:53
the podcast. We're going to have another one.
2:51:55
For sure. Oh, sorry, hit a little burpsky.
2:52:00
You ever hit a little Burpsky just now?
2:52:02
I heard it. Yeah, it was fucking smells
2:52:04
horrible over here. Thank you guys.
2:52:08
Thank you James and everybody for listening.
2:52:11
This has been another episode. We got more good ones coming
2:52:13
this month. Yeah.
2:52:14
Do we? Yeah, we do.
2:52:15
Oh, fuck yeah, we got. Who do we have next week?
2:52:17
Jordan Voorhees? Yep.
2:52:19
And then after that we have. Am I allowed to say this?
2:52:22
Let's not. Yeah.
2:52:23
All right. Well, we have Jordan Voorhees
2:52:24
next week. I talked to him at Ready Set
2:52:26
Drift last week. I got to talk to him about bikes
2:52:30
because I have a bike, you know what I mean?
2:52:33
And I got to talk about his booth.
2:52:34
Big biker boy. Oh, so you told him the whole
2:52:36
thing when you saw his thing? I DM D him that day OK.
2:52:39
I was like I. Didn't know if he I was like,
2:52:41
I've been following Jordan for 10 years, really like 8 years or
2:52:44
something. Like that, I thought you were
2:52:45
just going to wait for the pod. No, I was just like by.
2:52:47
The way dude is this, it's like our first DM.
2:52:50
I think I had Adm to him from like 2014, yeah.
2:52:54
And then after that it was like, yo.
2:52:58
But this month looks pretty good.
2:53:00
Sounds good. Yeah.
2:53:02
Thank you guys so much for the support so far.
2:53:03
With the painting thing, where do they find your stuff, James?
2:53:07
Do you do anything of that? Sort.
2:53:08
Oh wait, we have that one Instagram.
2:53:10
Yeah, you can. Follow me on my personal
2:53:12
Instagram, James Gravy. You can follow Motor Car Media
2:53:15
Co, which desperately needs more marketing because like I.
2:53:18
Deserves. Right now I work in a space
2:53:21
where I don't have any exposure on that account.
2:53:24
Like I work with all like 2 of my 3 brokers are not on
2:53:27
Instagram and the third one. This is just how it goes when
2:53:32
you work for businesses. Like you don't always get tagged
2:53:34
in the work. You're just kind of the guy
2:53:36
behind the scenes making it happen.
2:53:37
So need more exposure. I need more people to hire me.
2:53:40
I would love to like I haven't really shot any Japanese stuff
2:53:44
for motor car media Co, but like clean, you know, S chassis, like
2:53:50
NSXSGTRS, like anything that's cool, interesting, like all of
2:53:55
it. I'm into it like R35 would love
2:53:58
to get an R35. I've never worked with an R35.
2:54:01
If anybody you know out there wants to get together to collab,
2:54:04
whatever. Yeah, but it's not, it's not
2:54:07
photo. Oh, it's not like a that.
2:54:09
Oh, OK. I would also love to come like
2:54:10
shoot some photos for you guys. Just come whenever I'm back.
2:54:13
We'll be in touch, I was about to say.
2:54:14
Do you see? Did you guys talk in here?
2:54:16
We didn't talk about shit until right now.
2:54:19
You didn't show him at all. He.
2:54:20
Saw the shop but we didn't really.
2:54:22
This shop's a mess right now too because of the.
2:54:24
This is OK. Perfect.
2:54:25
I want James to see what a mess looks like in here.
2:54:28
We'll go for a little. Walk probably looks awesome.
2:54:30
I mean, just from what I saw, it's like the cleanest drift
2:54:33
shop, Yeah. What the fuck?
2:54:34
I would sleep on the floor. Yeah, in there.
2:54:37
Anyway, I appreciate it and the. Corners.
2:54:39
Awesome. The corners are swept up.
2:54:41
I would come here just to look around like it's basically like
2:54:44
a, a museum almost, you know? Like I think some people do.
2:54:47
Do some people do that? With my car here it is a museum,
2:54:49
yeah. It is well thank you guys so
2:54:52
much for watching. I am now twitching and I have
2:54:55
ADHD to move so I need to get up.
2:54:56
See you so good night. Thank you guys always for the
2:54:59
support. Peace, guys.
2:55:00
Peace. Thank you dude.
2:55:02
I got you first. Yeah, why would you?
2:55:06
Do that right off the rim first. Question.
2:55:37
All right, another podcast for the books.
2:55:40
James Gravy. James Gravy on that gravy train.
2:55:44
Gravy train going off the rails on the gravy train.
2:55:47
He's a He's a good storyteller, though.
2:55:50
You know, gravy train, they called, they called that when
2:55:52
you got a lot of easy work at the shop.
2:55:54
Gravy train, You're on the gravy.
2:55:55
Train Everything's gravy too easy.
2:55:58
Yeah, he's on the gravy train. Remember when Brian told us that
2:56:00
story when he worked at the dealership?
2:56:02
Yeah, he made a gravy. Train made 150 hours in a week?
2:56:05
Yeah, that's a gravy train trying to.
2:56:07
Figure out how to do that here. Yeah, good luck.
2:56:09
All right. So anyway, great episode, loved
2:56:12
it. Guys, if you think we should
2:56:14
have more media people on, let us know and send us some ideas
2:56:17
because it's definitely a different perspective.
2:56:20
And on the drifting community, I would say, yeah, you know.
2:56:24
You get the the people who love drifting for the visual reasons
2:56:30
rather than the. Yeah, driving experience totally
2:56:34
different. And I asked him, I was like, oh,
2:56:35
you, you drift before it started.
2:56:37
I said you drift. He's like, Oh, no, don't know if
2:56:40
I really want to get into that. I was like, oh, all right,
2:56:42
that's fine, that's fine. It sounds like you're smart.
2:56:45
So yeah, I mean, he he's got the E36, I think E36, right?
2:56:49
Yeah, something like that might might be thinking about doing
2:56:52
that, but it's just, I don't know.
2:56:54
Drifting is expensive. So, you know, some people, some
2:56:57
people just don't want to get into it.
2:56:59
And they not to mention he sees everyone's everyone drifting at
2:57:02
club loose and he sees how much of A hassle it is for a lot of
2:57:05
them. Probably so.
2:57:07
Love, sweat and tears. But I will say those are some of
2:57:10
the best photos. Yeah, he's he makes amazing
2:57:15
compositions, if you will. Yeah.
2:57:17
Is that what it is? I guess that's the.
2:57:18
He's really good at. I was waiting for him to tell me
2:57:21
that he had some special button he presses on his camera and it
2:57:23
just turns it into that cuz like dude I literally was like
2:57:26
looking at some of those photos. I was like why does his photo
2:57:29
look like that and no one else's photos look like that?
2:57:32
Yeah, it's a lot in the post. Do they?
2:57:35
I think the post editing is what I kind of was.
2:57:37
Yeah, but like you need to be artistic just to edit.
2:57:42
Well, the yeah, the layout of the photo, obviously.
2:57:45
Obviously he has a thing where he likes the foreground stuff.
2:57:48
And yeah, like the planning starts as soon as you look
2:57:51
through the, what is that called?
2:57:53
The lens, the aperture, this the viewfinder.
2:57:59
Yeah. Yeah definitely cool.
2:58:02
Man. I wish we could have talked
2:58:03
about his photos more honestly, but this outro is.
2:58:07
Way too many. Yeah, I know I said this outro
2:58:09
is getting crazy. We probably cut it.
2:58:10
Yeah. All right, anyway, this is
2:58:12
running into a podcast. I hope you guys like the
2:58:15
secondary podcast at the end of each episode.
2:58:18
Guys, we have a raffle going on this month, just like every
2:58:21
month, because you know what we do here?
2:58:22
We give shit away for free. Yeah, and they just keep getting
2:58:24
bigger and better every month. Bigger.
2:58:26
Better fucking. I just I don't even know
2:58:30
everything is just I wish I could enter the giveaway
2:58:33
sometimes. Let's just put it that way, Like
2:58:36
we just gave stage wheels away to to some some kid.
2:58:38
He he answered the phone. He said, Oh well, how much?
2:58:41
Oh, what's the discount prep? No, no, no, no, no, no.
2:58:43
It's free. It's free man.
2:58:45
You got you won them for free. He's like, I didn't even know I
2:58:47
was entered in this. I just bought 2 bolts.
2:58:49
I was like, look RA, it doesn't matter what you bought.
2:58:52
Do you see? His dad commented on the
2:58:53
Instagram post. No, I didn't see him.
2:58:55
He was like, thank you guys so much.
2:58:57
Like he was so for real happy when I got home.
2:58:59
Like he would jump in for joy. Yeah.
2:59:02
Class act guys. That's what we are here at
2:59:04
Faction Motor Sports. We're just a class act.
2:59:06
Yeah, we honestly wear a suit and tie every day to work just
2:59:10
to keep it professional. Yeah, I definitely don't fucking
2:59:12
do that, but but we'll keep giving shit away for free if it
2:59:15
means you guys order with us. So slight bribery.
2:59:19
Well, it is a marketing scheme. I don't want to lie to anyone
2:59:23
here, but no, guys, it's fun. This is fun.
2:59:29
That was fun calling that guy up.
2:59:30
Yeah, it's always fun every month.
2:59:32
Yeah, when you get. But every, every time they
2:59:34
answer the phone, they're like, yeah, OK.
2:59:37
They have no idea they were even entered to win anything.
2:59:40
And then once we e-mail them after, they're like, oh God,
2:59:42
thank you guys so much. I'm like, sorry I didn't.
2:59:44
Once they realize it's not a scam, they're like, oh.
2:59:46
Shit. And after I say this phone
2:59:48
call's being recorded, they're probably like, fuck what?
2:59:50
Did they do? Yeah, that's not good either.
2:59:52
But this month we're giving away Origin Labo front and rear over
2:59:56
Fender set. Not just the fronts, not just
3:00:00
the rears. You're completing the whole car.
3:00:03
All four corners in one. Shot done just like that with a
3:00:08
snap of the fingers and a click of the enter button.
3:00:11
When you, when you spend $5 on the website, boom, your car's
3:00:14
done a little bit of paint here and there and and you're good to
3:00:17
go. So we just got a bunch of origin
3:00:21
Labo parts in stock as well. So that means that when you do
3:00:24
win, you, you guys got the pick of the litter because there's
3:00:28
what, 170 pairs of fenders back there, 150 pairs of penders pair
3:00:32
pairs of fenders back there, I think.
3:00:34
Yeah, we got a lot of guys. Yeah.
3:00:37
So no, there won't. There most likely won't be any
3:00:39
waiting around for fenders so. Yeah, unless all of it sells out
3:00:43
this month, which would be crazy.
3:00:45
Which would be great. I really honestly if y'all could
3:00:48
make that happen, so be it. So be it.
3:00:51
That would be great. But yeah, that being said, we
3:00:54
have a lot of origin label parts in stock.
3:00:55
So if you guys are interested in any of that and you're, you're
3:00:58
trying to see if we have it in stock, well, guess what we do
3:01:02
don't even ask because we have it in stock unless it's the GT
3:01:06
wing or an Eagle wing or, or an FRS hood or, but most I would
3:01:12
say, I would say we have like 75% of everything in stock.
3:01:16
Yeah, every all the popular stuff, yeah.
3:01:18
So check out our website, check out our Instagram.
3:01:21
If you're not following our Instagram already, God bless
3:01:22
you. I don't know how you found this
3:01:23
podcast, but if you're not following that already, make
3:01:25
sure you check it out because that's where we post updates and
3:01:31
I I I'm feeling like we're going to cut it short on this one
3:01:33
today. Yeah, unless you got anything.
3:01:35
I mean, you got merch. Yeah, I just.
3:01:36
Want to let people know the new merch is on the website?
3:01:38
Go check it out, people are loving it.
3:01:41
Got good reviews so far, good feedback.
3:01:44
The best merch. The best, The softest.
3:01:46
We try to keep our shirts nice and thin so that they're easy to
3:01:49
wear in the summer when you're working on your car, when you're
3:01:51
sweating in the car. It's not like a.
3:01:53
It's not like a piece of canvas sticking to your body.
3:01:56
It's not like a gilding shirt, let's put it that way.
3:01:59
Yeah. I fucking hate those shirts.
3:02:01
You like those shirts? No, no, I mean I hate different
3:02:04
types of shirts. I don't know.
3:02:05
Yeah, you're right. I just never, never buy anything
3:02:07
Gilden. Yeah, but guys, order on the
3:02:11
website, we got a lot of stuff available, shop guys.
3:02:14
Shop is busy, shop is real. The.
3:02:15
Shop is busy. The shop is hot and heavy right
3:02:17
now. It's hot and get your cars in
3:02:20
here. Guys, if you feel bad for Jesus
3:02:22
or Chris, get them a cooler or something.
3:02:24
I need some other some fans. Yeah, send them.
3:02:27
Something Uber them like a cooling towel or?
3:02:30
Something Uber them a cooling towel or donate us to one of
3:02:34
those big ass things that. Oh the big ass AC units.
3:02:38
Yeah, yeah, they're about what? 5. $5000 yeah, I'm sure.
3:02:42
Yeah, we saw the Massima that one year.
3:02:43
Yep, didn't buy them. Yeah, we looked at them and say,
3:02:45
Oh yeah, we'll let you. Dude, if we had one of those in
3:02:47
the shop, that would be nice. That would be nice.
3:02:51
But you probably got to stand in front of it to really feel.
3:02:54
We got to sell a lot of Origin Arrow to make that happen.
3:02:57
That's all I'm going to say. Yeah, every purchase helps us
3:03:00
cool down the shop. Every purchase, every purchase
3:03:03
helps. For every $5 spent, that's it.
3:03:05
Just $5. You spend $5, boom, you got a
3:03:09
body kit, you got you got front and rear over fenders.
3:03:12
You could buy a product for one of our sponsors, Chase Bays
3:03:15
Limitless Auto Fab. Come on guys, it's that easy.
3:03:19
Don't forget about our other sponsor to.
3:03:21
East Coast Drift School. East Coast Drift School going
3:03:23
crazy right now with the drifting.
3:03:25
I mean, it's, it's about to be, they're about to release their
3:03:27
August schedule, I think. So, yeah, get ready for that.
3:03:30
If you're in in New Jersey or local to this area, that's
3:03:35
that's the best way to get your foot in the door with drifting.
3:03:37
Yeah, before you win these fenders, go practice a little so
3:03:40
you don't bust up some new friend fenders.
3:03:42
Yeah, but if you got busted, offenders come by more we got.
3:03:45
There's too many fenders here, Malcolm.
3:03:47
Yeah, I'm drowning. Help.
3:03:50
Help. All right, guys.
3:03:52
We'll see you on the next one. See you.