Latest / I Do, Part 2 / How’d She Do It? 52 Year Old Hillary Swank Announces She’s Pregnant With Third Child!
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- 0:02Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Thursday, October 15th, and she
- 0:06Speaker 1: has two kids and two Best Actress Oscars. And she's
- 0:12Speaker 1: about to add to one of those tallies, at least
- 0:16Speaker 1: very soon. And with that, welcome to this episode of
- 0:18Speaker 1: Amy and TJ. And when I say that the actress
- 0:22Speaker 1: is a 52-year-old, you might think, okay, then she's going
- 0:25Speaker 1: to get another Oscar.
- 0:27Speaker 2: Obviously, it's another award.
- 0:29Speaker 1: It's not. This is a This is a cool story.
- 0:31Speaker 2: It is incredible. Hilary Swank has announced she is pregnant
- 0:35Speaker 2: with her third child at the age of 52.
- 0:39Speaker 1: Does that have to be a part of a headline
- 0:44Speaker 1: that Hilary Swank is expecting a third child? Does her
- 0:46Speaker 1: age have to be in there?
- 0:47Speaker 2: Absolutely. It does. Okay. Absolutely. Look, I'm 53. You and
- 0:51Speaker 2: I have, oh, we have talked ad nauseum about how
- 0:54Speaker 2: wonderful it would have been.
- 0:56Speaker 1: Annoyingly so. Could have been.
- 0:57Speaker 2: Yeah, to have had a child together. We would have
- 0:59Speaker 2: loved it, but that ship has sailed. And yes, age
- 1:03Speaker 2: is the number one reason. Also, the fact that I'm
- 1:05Speaker 2: a cancer survivor also plays heavily into it. But yes,
- 1:10Speaker 2: so this is hopeful to so many women who think,
- 1:13Speaker 2: I'm out of the baby-making business. I am no longer
- 1:16Speaker 2: able to have a child once you reach the age of,
- 1:19Speaker 2: sometimes people would say, 40, 42. Yes, you are not
- 1:21Speaker 2: guaranteed to be able to. Physically, biologically, for your eggs
- 1:28Speaker 2: to actually be in good enough shape to actually have
- 1:33Speaker 2: your own child biologically. And then to carry that child
- 1:36Speaker 2: requires a certain amount of hormones and all sorts of things.
- 1:39Speaker 1: Isn't it fair, though? Youth isn't a guarantee either. It
- 1:43Speaker 1: doesn't mean just because you're 28 or 31 that you
- 1:46Speaker 1: won't have complications or problems or difficulty or it takes time. So, yes,
- 1:50Speaker 1: robes to see. And I went through, I just did
- 1:52Speaker 1: a quick Google search and just put her name in.
- 1:55Speaker 1: And look, the news articles and the headline, Hillary Swank, comma, 52.
- 1:58Speaker 1: Hillary Swank, comma, 52. Expecting third. Hillary Swank, 52. It's
- 2:03Speaker 1: all in the headline.
- 2:04Speaker 2: It's a big deal. And look, I think it's a
- 2:06Speaker 2: great headline, but it just needs to have some asterisks
- 2:09Speaker 2: attached to it for a lot of young women who
- 2:13Speaker 2: I think are hopeful and excited to think that they
- 2:15Speaker 2: can focus on themselves, that they can focus on their careers,
- 2:18Speaker 2: that they can kind of get their ducks in a row,
- 2:20Speaker 2: live their life, get their party girl spirit out of them,
- 2:24Speaker 2: whatever it is, before they have to start thinking about
- 2:28Speaker 2: having kids. And look, I remember in my 20s feeling
- 2:30Speaker 2: the pressure, like you better start having kids. If you
- 2:32Speaker 2: want kids, you better do it before you're 30 or
- 2:36Speaker 2: you are going to have problems. The chances of your
- 2:38Speaker 2: children having issues go up, all of those things. So
- 2:40Speaker 2: it's wonderful to think that that pressure can be lifted
- 2:43Speaker 2: slightly for women in their 20s.
- 2:46Speaker 1: All of that you just said is still true today.
- 2:50Speaker 1: We just have better tools that could help women wait
- 2:53Speaker 1: longer and be healthier and make it possible, I guess, though, Rose,
- 2:57Speaker 1: but the challenges you faced or the stuff that was
- 2:59Speaker 1: in your head when you were in your 20s, how
- 3:01Speaker 1: much of that stuff has... Are women having those conversations
- 3:04Speaker 1: now in their 30s, where you were getting warnings in
- 3:06Speaker 1: your 20s? I think so. How is it shifting?
- 3:08Speaker 2: I do. I think women, especially, I know this just
- 3:12Speaker 2: because of my own daughters and their conversations, but yes,
- 3:16Speaker 2: I think there is a general thought now among younger
- 3:18Speaker 2: women that they can wait before they even have to
- 3:21Speaker 2: start thinking about it until their 30s and 40s.
- 3:24Speaker 1: Yes.
- 3:24Speaker 2: Whereas before, I was told in my 20s, at 27,
- 3:27Speaker 2: your fertility rate starts dropping every year. And that hasn't changed.
- 3:31Speaker 2: That's all still true. That's still true. But look, the
- 3:34Speaker 2: reality is it's not guaranteed that you're going to be
- 3:36Speaker 2: able to, and you might be facing years of heartache
- 3:38Speaker 2: and heartbreak and miscarriages and financial struggles of having to
- 3:43Speaker 2: pay for all of these operations that are timely, costly,
- 3:47Speaker 2: and painful. Emotionally, people talk about just all the things
- 3:51Speaker 2: that it takes, all of the extra steps that have
- 3:55Speaker 2: to be made oftentimes to have a child at this
- 3:57Speaker 2: age aren't necessarily considered, and they should just be at
- 4:03Speaker 2: least outlined or acknowledged.
- 4:05Speaker 1: The fact that it still remains, and Hilary Swank's story
- 4:08Speaker 1: is a perfect example. It's personal for everybody. Nobody can
- 4:13Speaker 1: tell you what to do. And if it worked for them,
- 4:15Speaker 1: because it worked for Hilary Swank, it might not work
- 4:17Speaker 1: for you. We just don't know. This is so personal.
- 4:20Speaker 1: All you can do is give everybody the most information,
- 4:22Speaker 1: the best information you can, And Hilary Swank is helping
- 4:25Speaker 1: in that regard, at least.
- 4:26Speaker 2: And that's a really good way to put it. And so, yes,
- 4:28Speaker 2: Hilary Swank, by the way, so yes, pregnant at 52.
- 4:32Speaker 2: She has three-year-old twins that were born in 2023, Aya and.
- 4:37Speaker 1: Om.
- 4:38Speaker 2: And so she got pregnant when she was 47 for
- 4:42Speaker 2: the first time, gave birth at 48, and now is
- 4:46Speaker 2: pregnant at 52. But here is what she has been
- 4:48Speaker 2: very open and honest about. She froze her eggs at
- 4:51Speaker 2: the age of 37.
- 4:52Speaker 1: You've always said this to me, babe. If you hear
- 4:54Speaker 1: that a woman that's 50 had a baby, carried the baby,
- 4:59Speaker 1: those eggs were frozen.
- 5:00Speaker 2: They were frozen or they're a donor egg. And that
- 5:03Speaker 2: is a very big, amazing, awesome, wonderful thing that younger
- 5:08Speaker 2: women will provide. But yes, I've had several friends... And
- 5:11Speaker 2: the way it's been described to me is you literally
- 5:13Speaker 2: go through a book of baby pictures. They don't have
- 5:16Speaker 2: the women who donated the egg, their adult faces. You
- 5:19Speaker 2: see their baby faces. And then you can see if
- 5:21Speaker 2: someone looks a little bit the way you did when
- 5:23Speaker 2: you were a baby. You choose that woman's eggs for
- 5:26Speaker 2: whatever reason, but a lot of it is the physical
- 5:28Speaker 2: attribute because, yes, that child will resemble you and it
- 5:32Speaker 2: will feel closer to a biological match. I would love.
- 5:38Speaker 1: To look through that book.
- 5:40Speaker 2: Isn't it interesting?
- 5:40Speaker 1: I wonder if it's available online or something. That's fascinating,
- 5:44Speaker 1: isn't it?
- 5:44Speaker 2: I wouldn't have known that if I didn't have friends
- 5:46Speaker 2: who went through it. And I thought that is actually
- 5:47Speaker 2: a really smart way to do it. If that matters
- 5:50Speaker 2: to you. For some people, it might not matter. But
- 5:51Speaker 2: for people who want to have, especially when people are
- 5:54Speaker 2: different ethnicities, which was the case with some of my friends,
- 5:57Speaker 2: they wanted to have a baby that matched their husband's
- 6:00Speaker 2: DNA with someone who had similar DNA to them.
- 6:03Speaker 1: What would we pick? What kid would we be looking for?
- 6:07Speaker 1: And again, it's all the mothers. The mothers. The donor
- 6:09Speaker 1: egg mothers.
- 6:09Speaker 2: Yes, because I would need a donor egg, so I
- 6:10Speaker 2: would have to pick, like, I'm 92% German, so that
- 6:14Speaker 2: would just be, like, a part of it maybe, and
- 6:16Speaker 2: just you want to have a similar DNA makeup just
- 6:19Speaker 2: so it's a similar blend.
- 6:20Speaker 1: They don't tell you the background. You're just strictly looking
- 6:23Speaker 1: at pictures.
- 6:23Speaker 2: Well, no, they're pictures, and then, no, you can see
- 6:25Speaker 2: a lot of times where they went to school. You
- 6:26Speaker 2: can see, like, so you can see, like, intellect, all
- 6:29Speaker 2: sorts of things.
- 6:30Speaker 1: But ethnicity, they'll tell you.
- 6:31Speaker 2: Oh, yes, and sperm donors, same thing. You can literally pick.
- 6:34Speaker 2: On the other side of it, you know, just the
- 6:37Speaker 2: attributes and all of that.
- 6:38Speaker 1: But baby pictures are the same. You're going through guys'
- 6:40Speaker 1: baby pictures.
- 6:40Speaker 2: I don't know about that. I don't know anyone who
- 6:42Speaker 2: did that, but I would think it was probably the same.
- 6:45Speaker 1: Well, God, what would we be looking for? Some little
- 6:48Speaker 1: German African-American kid with curly blonde hair and crazy eyes? Right.
- 7:03Speaker 2: But yeah, so she's got these twins. It was actually
- 7:05Speaker 2: really cute how she made the announcement on Instagram. It
- 7:09Speaker 2: took some time. It was creative.
- 7:11Speaker 1: This was well done.
- 7:12Speaker 2: Yeah, the family, it's just cute. The twins and the
- 7:15Speaker 2: husband all had glow sticks that made them look like
- 7:19Speaker 2: stick figures dancing in the dark. And then she comes up.
- 7:22Speaker 2: with a little glow stick, like a baby stick figure
- 7:26Speaker 2: on her belly dancing. And it was really cute. And
- 7:30Speaker 2: her caption was great about the baby's going to be due. Yes,
- 7:34Speaker 2: everyone's been asking me what my new project is. Well,
- 7:38Speaker 2: the release date is December. It was very sweet. So
- 7:42Speaker 2: that's pretty cool. But she's talked about choosing to be
- 7:44Speaker 2: an older mom and I, and she talked about it
- 7:47Speaker 2: a lot because this is inspirational for a lot of
- 7:50Speaker 2: young women. And she said, I always knew I wanted kids.
- 7:53Speaker 2: And that's why she froze her eggs. And a lot
- 7:55Speaker 2: of women do it earlier than that. But she said,
- 7:57Speaker 2: I always knew I wanted kids. I wasn't planning what
- 7:59Speaker 2: that would look like. So I know it's different for everyone.
- 8:02Speaker 2: But for me, if I had had a kid in
- 8:04Speaker 2: my 20s or 30s, I think I'd be a much
- 8:07Speaker 2: different parent than I am now.
- 8:09Speaker 1: Oh, that's true.
- 8:10Speaker 2: I would be a much different parent now. In fact,
- 8:12Speaker 2: it makes me sad because I know I would be
- 8:15Speaker 2: a better parent now. There's no question.
- 8:17Speaker 1: Well, of course. We all learn. I would have been
- 8:19Speaker 1: a better student. I've been a better dad. I've been
- 8:21Speaker 1: a better mate. I've been a better... Journalists, all kinds
- 8:25Speaker 1: of stuff, given what we know now, but this is
- 8:26Speaker 1: why we're here and we're learning. Do I have right?
- 8:30Speaker 1: Help me here, babe. She froze her eggs at 37.
- 8:32Speaker 1: Is that about the age? That was my question.
- 8:35Speaker 2: That's a little older because, look, I think they've changed
- 8:38Speaker 2: the age from geriatric pregnancy to advanced maternal age pregnancy.
- 8:44Speaker 2: But after the age of 35, doctors do take different
- 8:49Speaker 2: or more, just they take a more careful look at
- 8:52Speaker 2: you and they care for you slightly differently because your
- 8:55Speaker 2: eggs are older. There's a higher chance of complications after
- 8:59Speaker 2: the age of 35. So yeah, she froze her eggs
- 9:01Speaker 2: at 37, but certainly her eggs at 37. were far
- 9:06Speaker 2: superior to her eggs at 47.
- 9:07Speaker 1: But is the recommendation usually that women do it before
- 9:10Speaker 1: that age?
- 9:11Speaker 2: Before 35, yes. I mean, that would be the recommendation.
- 9:13Speaker 2: But look, I think before 40 is very common too,
- 9:18Speaker 2: because people don't know what they want. And that too
- 9:21Speaker 2: is expensive to freeze your eggs. It's painful. It's a
- 9:25Speaker 2: very long length of time. I know several people who've
- 9:28Speaker 2: done it.
- 9:28Speaker 1: But most women in their early 20s, even late 20s,
- 9:31Speaker 1: most of us aren't at our peak earning potential to
- 9:34Speaker 1: be able to do something like this.
- 9:35Speaker 2: Correct. And I think you're always thinking, I'm going to
- 9:37Speaker 2: meet the guy, I'm going to meet the person who
- 9:39Speaker 2: I'm going to want to share my life with, and
- 9:41Speaker 2: I'll wait for them. And so you're just, you're waiting,
- 9:43Speaker 2: you're waiting, you're waiting. And then all of a sudden
- 9:46Speaker 2: you look up and you're like, holy crap, I'm 40.
- 9:49Speaker 1: And dating sucks in New York.
- 9:51Speaker 2: And I can't find anybody. But when we come back,
- 9:54Speaker 2: we're going to put this into perspective for you because
- 9:58Speaker 2: Hilary Swank is just the latest. in a very surprisingly
- 10:02Speaker 2: long list of celebrities who've had babies at 50 plus.
- 10:16Speaker 2: Welcome back, everyone, to Amy and TJ. And a big
- 10:19Speaker 2: congratulations to Hilary Swank, who is expecting her third baby
- 10:22Speaker 2: in December at the age of 52. That is so remarkable. Now,
- 10:28Speaker 2: the number of women having their first baby when they
- 10:32Speaker 2: are over 35... has increased by more than 270% over
- 10:38Speaker 2: the last four decades. That is wild. But I had
- 10:42Speaker 2: both of my babies. I was 29 when I had Ava.
- 10:46Speaker 2: I had just turned 33 when I had Annie. How
- 10:51Speaker 2: old were you when you had your kids? You were young.
- 10:53Speaker 1: I mean, you were pregnant. Yes, but I was still
- 10:56Speaker 1: in college initially for the first, right? Sabine, I was 34, 35. 34, 35.
- 11:01Speaker 2: When she was born.
- 11:04Speaker 1: So that's probably around the age I should have been
- 11:06Speaker 1: having kids and more appropriate. But yes, it's, again, you
- 11:10Speaker 1: know what? To Hilary Swank's point, wasn't ready in her 30s.
- 11:15Speaker 1: I wasn't ready maybe even in my 30s. Yeah. Right?
- 11:18Speaker 1: Got there and things are great now, but I didn't
- 11:21Speaker 1: know what I was doing.
- 11:24Speaker 2: Oh my God, no. And I actually think, because yes,
- 11:26Speaker 2: I started to become, I became a mom at 29.
- 11:29Speaker 2: I would have loved to have become a mom like
- 11:33Speaker 2: at 42. I feel like that is when I had
- 11:36Speaker 2: gone through enough of life. I had enough perspective, but
- 11:39Speaker 2: I was so hell bent on my career. It was a,
- 11:42Speaker 2: it was a struggle. And Hilary Swank talks about how
- 11:45Speaker 2: she was able to throw herself completely into her work.
- 11:48Speaker 2: And she won two Academy Awards. And that's remarkable.
- 11:51Speaker 1: Is it because she wasn't sweating it? Because I got
- 11:53Speaker 1: my eggs hanging out here. I don't need to.
- 11:54Speaker 2: It probably didn't hurt for sure. And look, I can
- 11:57Speaker 2: imagine like the mom guilt I felt for the majority
- 12:02Speaker 2: of my career still haunts me because you have to
- 12:06Speaker 2: make tough choices and it's not easy. And so, yeah,
- 12:08Speaker 2: to be able to focus on your career solely and
- 12:11Speaker 2: then have kids, that's what a gift that is. But
- 12:15Speaker 2: It's expensive. The decision to give birth after 50, they
- 12:18Speaker 2: say can cost as much as $ 25, 000 to $ 30, 000 with
- 12:22Speaker 2: egg donation for a single successful IVF attempt. That's what
- 12:27Speaker 2: most women have to do when they use surrogates because
- 12:29Speaker 2: their bodies just aren't capable of not only conceiving a child,
- 12:34Speaker 2: but keeping a child and delivering a healthy baby. The
- 12:38Speaker 2: fact that Hilary Swank was able to use her frozen eggs...
- 12:40Speaker 2: and her 52-year-old body was able to receive that is
- 12:45Speaker 2: incredible through IVF. But it was expensive.
- 12:47Speaker 1: Okay, that sounds incredibly pricey. It's expensive. And you talked
- 12:51Speaker 1: about the, I may well just try to Google it here,
- 12:53Speaker 1: and I'm sorry I don't know the answer to this.
- 12:55Speaker 1: The first step, if a 29-year-old woman wants to go
- 12:57Speaker 1: in and just freeze her eggs for now, forget the
- 12:59Speaker 1: process later, but just that egg retrieval and storage.
- 13:03Speaker 2: That's thousands of dollars.
- 13:05Speaker 1: It's tons, right?
- 13:05Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you have monthly fees, like storage fees
- 13:09Speaker 2: for the eggs. So, yes, this is an expensive endeavor
- 13:12Speaker 2: to be able to have a baby much later in life.
- 13:16Speaker 2: And a lot of people in their 50s, when they
- 13:18Speaker 2: make headlines, they've adopted. But those who have actually had their–
- 13:22Speaker 2: Janet Jackson, that was the one that really I remember
- 13:24Speaker 2: at 50. In 2017, she shocked her fans by saying,
- 13:29Speaker 2: here's my son.
- 13:30Speaker 1: Wasn't it a magazine cover?
- 13:31Speaker 2: It was a magazine, and she looked gorgeous and stunning.
- 13:35Speaker 2: Naomi Campbell, 50, same thing, supermodel, surprised the world in 2021.
- 13:40Speaker 2: At the age of 50, Naomi Campbell had a daughter,
- 13:44Speaker 2: which is remarkable. I'm trying to say, okay. Oh, Sophie B.
- 13:48Speaker 2: Hawkins at 50. She's a singer. She conceived her second
- 13:51Speaker 2: child using an egg. She froze when she was 31.
- 13:55Speaker 2: That is pretty cool. I mean, think about it. She actually,
- 13:59Speaker 2: it's actually using an embryo she froze when she was 31.
- 14:01Speaker 1: But she had the baby at what age? 50.
- 14:04Speaker 2: That, I mean, that's wild.
- 14:06Speaker 1: So they store, they'll keep.
- 14:08Speaker 2: For 19 years.
- 14:09Speaker 1: Damn, that is impressive science.
- 14:10Speaker 2: She had an embryo frozen. Like that's so wild. I
- 14:13Speaker 2: imagine being that kid and realizing I actually was created
- 14:17Speaker 2: 19 years before I was born. That is wild.
- 14:21Speaker 1: Do you tell your kid you sat in a freezer
- 14:23Speaker 1: for 19 years? It's good to have your thought out.
- 14:27Speaker 2: Maybe that's why you don't like skiing. It's just PTSD.
- 14:30Speaker 1: Can we move to Florida? It's cold up there.
- 14:34Speaker 2: That is wild. Helen Morris is a TV producer. You
- 14:38Speaker 2: might know her husband, Martin Scorsese. She gave birth to
- 14:41Speaker 2: a girl when she was 52 and he was 56.
- 14:45Speaker 2: That's crazy. I didn't realize Annie Leibovitz existed. 52 when
- 14:48Speaker 2: she gave birth to her first child. I didn't know that. 52.
- 14:53Speaker 1: She had a hell of a resume by then at 52,
- 14:55Speaker 1: didn't she?
- 14:56Speaker 2: And then she had twin girls via surrogate four years later.
- 15:00Speaker 2: But still, think about it. So at 56, she's taking
- 15:03Speaker 2: care of twins. That is wild to me. And then, again,
- 15:08Speaker 2: a lot of folks adopt in their 50s, and that's
- 15:10Speaker 2: wonderful and beautiful. But I'm just impressed with women who
- 15:15Speaker 2: give birth. Bridget Nielsen, 54. danish model and actress had
- 15:19Speaker 2: her fifth child daughter frida.
- 15:21Speaker 1: In 2018 yeah she carried that those.
- 15:23Speaker 2: Are the wild wild stories but it the birth rate
- 15:27Speaker 2: in people aged 45 to 49 has risen 12 percent
- 15:32Speaker 2: in the past few years so look this is something
- 15:34Speaker 2: that is we're going to see more and more of
- 15:36Speaker 2: these headlines are going to keep coming and i do
- 15:39Speaker 2: think it's it is inspirational and It is wonderful. It's
- 15:43Speaker 2: just something to keep in mind that it is going
- 15:46Speaker 2: to be costly in a lot of ways.
- 15:53Speaker 1: This is successful and we're celebrating. I mean, how many
- 15:57Speaker 1: women does it get more complicated when you're 48, 49, 50?
- 16:02Speaker 1: I mean, how many stories? Are there a lot out
- 16:05Speaker 1: there that women do attempt this?
- 16:07Speaker 2: Yes.
- 16:07Speaker 1: And it goes... doesn't go the way they want it to.
- 16:09Speaker 2: I've had plenty of friends where that has happened too. Yes.
- 16:12Speaker 2: And that should be remembered. The average age for menopause
- 16:15Speaker 2: is 51.
- 16:15Speaker 1: Okay.
- 16:17Speaker 2: When a woman goes through menopause, you no longer can...
- 16:22Speaker 2: can obviously have a child. So just keep that in mind.
- 16:24Speaker 2: The average age for menopause is 51. Some people start
- 16:27Speaker 2: that process in their forties and it makes it incredibly
- 16:29Speaker 2: difficult to get pregnant. So fertility decreases rapidly through your
- 16:34Speaker 2: thirties and even much further in your forties. And it's
- 16:37Speaker 2: largely extinguished by 45. That is what the medical experts,
- 16:42Speaker 2: the consensus is your ability to naturally conceive your fertility
- 16:47Speaker 2: is largely extinguished. That's the phrase they used by the
- 16:51Speaker 2: age of 45. So that is why when you hear
- 16:54Speaker 2: Hilary Swank is pregnant at 52, that is a hell
- 16:59Speaker 2: of a headline.
- 17:00Speaker 1: And congrats to her. It was a very fun way
- 17:02Speaker 1: she announced it. And obviously we're all fans of hers
- 17:05Speaker 1: over the years. And she's a very, she's a cool
- 17:09Speaker 1: celebrity that kind of just does her thing.
- 17:11Speaker 2: She's private. Yeah. You don't hear about her. There's no controversy.
- 17:15Speaker 1: But this is exciting news she wanted to share. All right,
- 17:17Speaker 1: moving on. This is well done. So congrats to her.
- 17:20Speaker 2: Congratulations.
- 17:21Speaker 1: And with that, everyone. To the family, I should say. Yes,
- 17:23Speaker 1: to the whole family. To the husband as well who contributed.
- 17:25Speaker 2: Yes, he did contribute. We always appreciate you listening to us, everyone.
- 17:29Speaker 2: I'm Amy Robach alongside DJ Holmes.
- 17:31Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon.