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Bruna Interview I Mica Miller’s Best Friend Goes Beyond Netflix · The Robbie Harvey Show

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God hates divorce. But why?
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According to everybody I've asked and the the scriptures
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that I've found, it's because it hurts people.
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But does abuse hurt people? How do you think God feels about
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that? So I want to remind you, like a
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bunch of people have been reminding me lately, that I'm
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God's pride first. And even an earthly spouse who's
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a good spouse when they know that their bride is being hurt,
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Just imagine what an earthly spouse does.
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What do you think your heavenly spouse does when you're the
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bride of Christ and he sees his bride going through abuse and
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hurt? What do you think he thinks
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about that? Well, let me let me ask you
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this. I meant to ask this early.
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Did she bring up the homeless people to you?
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She told me about it. Yeah.
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I still have a hard time talking about that because I think that
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was one of the things that hurt the most because she said that.
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She said. I just, I scrubbed my body until
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it was red, almost to the point of bleeding and I still couldn't
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feel clean and I held her so tight and, and she I just let
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her cry. I just let her cry.
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The interview that you're about to listen to is probably one of
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the most difficult interviews that I've conducted since the
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death of Micah Miller in April of 2024.
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What you saw in the Netflix documentary Death of the
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Pastor's Wife, It's just a fraction.
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What was allegedly going on between the disturbing marriage
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of John Paul Miller and Michael. Now it's time to dive deeper, go
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even further than the documentary told by one of her
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closest friends, Bruno. And she's like, he's defaming me
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and he is going to tell everybody that I'm crazy.
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He's going to put a bullet in my head.
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I'm going to show up ditch, show up dead in a ditch somewhere and
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he's going to say that I killed myself and he's going to blame
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it. He's going to say that I killed
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myself. And a reminder, John Paul Miller
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denies everything he's being accused of.
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He's pleaded not guilty to his upcoming federal trial, whenever
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that may take place. I have a friend, actually an
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acquaintance. He thinks he's my friend, more
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of an acquaintance. But several years ago he
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murdered his wife. And I've known him for maybe
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2527 years. He owns a little restaurant that
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I go to every week, once a week, and I talk to him and say, hey,
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and I've known him for years. I was in high school.
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And a few years ago, his wife, who was a lovely woman, she was
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a doctor. They had two kids.
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They got into an argument there at the restaurant actually.
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And Long story short, he he murdered or he killed his wife.
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And you may be thinking, I can't believe my pastor is friends
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with the man who murdered his wife.
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Here's my question. How many of you, by God's
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standard, are murderers? But what you're about to hear is
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one of the most heartbreaking looks into the life and death of
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Micah Miller. This is my sit down interview
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with Bruno and she starts by telling us how her and Micah
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became friends. Yeah, so we, so I was in the
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choir with her the privacy year the previous year, but we didn't
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speak. So I wasn't talking like we
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weren't talking. I was super shy.
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And so when we first like a year later, when we first hang out,
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actually got to hang out, you know, as friends, I said, let's
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go to the beach. It's supposed to be a 30 minute
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coffee. She said, you know, I have to
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meet with John Paul for something.
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And so it's supposed to be 30 minutes.
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We went, got some coffee and ended up being a four hour
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meeting. We went from the coffee shop to
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the beach back to the coffee shop.
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It was so amazing in in every way.
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I mean, I was praying for a friend when she came.
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So it felt like God sent for me as a friend, and I still believe
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that she was. And from there on out, you guys
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were so close to each other. Times on and off it was never
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like 100% like this and I think because of the abuse she suffer.
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So there were times we were closer and I felt like every
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time she withdrew. It took me a little while to
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figure this out, but I figured out that every time she
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withdrew, they were going through something, but I did not
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know that at the time. So it was like really close.
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And then a couple weeks ago by and she kind of spaced out and
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then really close. So I mean, I remember even
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saying to Ricky at a point I was like, I really like her and I
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want to talk to her like, you know, if everything is OK,
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'cause I never thought abuse. I just thought, you know, maybe
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was culturally or some difference, you know, or if she
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was just busy and, and that conversation never happened
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because obviously I found out later, but.
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Yeah, so I let's let's go there because a lot of people I see in
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my comments say, well, why didn't people do something about
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it? Why didn't her friends do
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something about it? You, you guys didn't know until
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the final year, final months, right?
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So Micah first told me about the abuse.
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So she had told me about arguments.
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We would talk when we were in a group.
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Friends, not in my house. Or whatever we were so.
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We talk, wife's talk, women talk, you share expertise, you
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ask for advice, you share the word of God.
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You want to make sure you are being biblical, you know, and,
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and so that's very normal. I've always felt that that was
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very normal for women to communicate that way.
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So there was always time, but never the full story.
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There's a few times she said, oh, John, Paul doesn't want me
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to talk to my sisters anymore. How do you feel about it?
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And I'll ask her for contacts and background of the story.
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Times that when she left the coffee shop she was working at,
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for example, she came to me and said, he wants me to leave and
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work with him at the church. And he's going to pay me through
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the church just so I can be with him every day.
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But I really love working at the coffee shop.
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I got to pray with people here. I get to to to serve them.
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She loved because there's a lot of homeless that go by.
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And Micah had a huge heart to serve, so she loved doing that
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kind of stuff. So we would talk.
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Those little conversations, but abuse never came up.
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It wasn't until October of 2023 because that's when I left the
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church and the next day as soon as I left and sat with Trish and
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JP the next day Micah came over and said now that you left I
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have something to tell you, let's talk.
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And that was again another 5 hour conversation because it was
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she was in my house till like 4 in the morning.
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And I want to remind people, especially those that are new to
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the story, October 2023 is really when it all begins.
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The, I hate to say it, but, but the countdown to Micah's death,
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that's really October 2023 is a key date.
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What did that 5 hour conversation entail?
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It took me a long time to process all of it because I knew
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in 2023 and then 2024 and everything felt like moved so
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fast, right? At least for us who were in it.
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So I remember the main part of her saying was now that you
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left, I want to talk to you. And that was like something she
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kept repeating. I'm so glad I can talk to you.
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I don't feel like she was so excited that she didn't have to
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hide to protect my faith. And that was very, very, very
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dominant in that conversation. Everything she talked about, she
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was like, oh, man, oh, I don't have to worry about anymore.
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I'm so excited. And so a lot of the things she
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talked about was so she just started sharing her heart in one
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piece. It wasn't like a specific place,
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but she would say things like, you know, when you asked me to
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go on a trip for your wedding? You know why I couldn't go?
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Because he doesn't want to stay away from me.
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I can't stay away from the house, not even one night.
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He cannot go one day without sex.
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And I was like. What?
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It's just like, yeah. I'm telling you, he will not let
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me travel. He won't even let me see my
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sister or my family because I can't stay away from him.
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And I was like, OK. And so it started like and then
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you know is and then it started getting deeper.
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It started she you know, and I just listen.
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I just listen not in a happy way, but more in like a concern
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and happy that she can share her heart with someone who want
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understood the Bible too. Was a business owner so she
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wanted my. Perspective from both.
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And then three, just a just a Christian like is this biblical?
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And I said, no, this is not biblical, you know, obviously
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not the Witness, but the other things.
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She was curious because, you know, I cleaned his house.
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The church paid for his house cleaning.
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The church paid for Susie Skinner's house cleaning.
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There was a lot of different expenses.
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You know how this go. Let me let me clarify some
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things because Bruno knows a lot y'all and I've been talking with
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Bruno for you know you and I've been talking for a couple of
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years. Since since it happened.
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Yeah, and. And I think you can testify I'm
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in a much better place, right? You are, you are, you're in a
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very, very, I remember to this day our first phone call and I
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remember you breaking down and, and just opening up your heart
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to how, how heartbroken you are. But what you just said there, I
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think we talked about it in the past, but you were John Paul
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Miller was paying for you to clean Susie Skinner's house.
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Yes, about you prior to Chris passing, it's when I started.
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Did you suspect any? Or just actually maybe, maybe
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less. Could be a few months I think
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before his passing. Did you suspect any affair
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between the two? Honestly, yes.
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You did? Yep, it was.
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Just I never liked JP's attitude.
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I could feel, so when you are a victim or a survivor as we call
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it, you can, you, can you learn to read the signs of a person
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who. Right.
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And so I remember telling Ricky, like he reminds me so much of so
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many like weird people that I had bad experience with.
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And I always told Ricky, I have to really work on my heart,
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'cause like I keep looking and every time he talks, sometimes
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it really upset me. Like, like just simple things,
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like he just takes off walking ahead and leave Michael behind,
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you know, like just small little things was like like a pin
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needle. So yeah.
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So when I started cleaning, I saw their conversation and he
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was getting friendly hand on the shoulder, you know, like it was
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it was little and it was definitely present enough for us
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to say if something ever might happen.
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And Michael leaves JPI guarantee you Susie will be the first one
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to to go for him and all of the group friends talked about it,
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you know. And and this is a fair question,
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I'm going to ask a fair question here.
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Did you warn Micah as her friend?
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Because I feel like the online community may question that.
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Did you warn Micah? Right.
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Honestly, I didn't have to because Micah saw herself like
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within the first week I started having those feelings, she asked
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me. Because about that, we did talk.
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So, you know, she asked me, do you think they're getting a
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little too friendly? Because I always had a very
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thick boundary when it comes to relationship and friendships of
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and, and she asked me, do you think something's going on?
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And I said it definitely looks weird.
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Like honestly. It looks weird for everybody.
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And JP has a record. Like that's literally what I
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told her. It's like, not just me, but the
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girls. I can't recall exactly who was
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here that night, but I remember a conversation in the group and
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and they were saying, you know, yeah, that definitely looks
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weird. And he's has the is his MO.
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So then Micah confessed that he had cheated on her when they
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were dating after she he divorced Allison and they were
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just dating. He was already, you know, having
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relationship with other people. She had phone messages and he
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always kind of got away and she always forgave.
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And she said that herself, you know, she's like, I believe in
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forgiveness. And then when he got close to
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the end, so I knew her in 2019 and as we got closer to like am
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the 2023, I felt like her belief was drastically changing from
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and here's what I mean. Being respectful when talking to
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a person of the opposite sex or a friendship to like when we
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started the ice bath, I invited her to go the first time.
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It was because of me that she went and I said, hey, I've been
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wanting to do this. She's like, Oh my God, I saw it.
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Let's go. We went Thursday.
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It was a pop up event on the side of a gym and it was just
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free. Anybody could come just for a
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trial. And there was unisex man women,
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some people wearing bathing suit, the men some are wearing
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shirts, but they're wearing shorts.
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But we was Micah Knight and I remember she's like, OK, just I
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just want to be accountable. Please if JP.
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Asked. I wasn't.
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Looking on anybody and I was like so shocked on her behave.
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This was actually 22. I'm sorry.
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So yeah, 22 and 23. It started like going down very
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fast. Like it was, it was almost like
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she was, she felt you could now I could see it, but back then I
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didn't. But she was genuinely scared.
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Like, please, like I just, I just want you to hold me
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account. I'm like, like Micah, He's like
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way over there. Like 10 people from us who
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cares? Nobody's even talking to the,
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you know, like he's not even. And of course he wasn't in that
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scenario, but he was like, really?
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He's really going to be upset. She's like, yeah.
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And I said, Micah, this is not healthy.
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And so you know those things, but then you kind of drop back
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because you're like, wait, this is my pastor's wife, what am I
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doing? So it's like a constantly fist 5
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mismatch of like where am I overstepping my boundary as your
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friend and as you are my pastor's wife that is supposed
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to look up and help? Let me ask you, and I think this
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is a fair question also, if you saw these red flags, why did you
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keep going to Solid Rock? Because I think culturally I
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will blame my culture. In Brazil, the culture is very
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much like this too. The ratio is usually seven women
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to one man. So every woman you know has been
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cheated on and we will accept that kind of relationship just
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to stay married because God hates divorce, right?
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So the amount of gaslighting that happens within the church
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if you ask so much questions is also something that scares a lot
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of people in the church. So I had a big ministry.
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I loved Micah and I felt called to be there up until 23 when God
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told us we should leave. Now when I left was a
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combination of these tiny little red flags.
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But the major reason was, you know, Ricky just came up and
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said, hey, I'm feeling energy in my heart.
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And God told us we should leave this church.
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So it wasn't like I knew any absurd other than the cheating
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in in the, you know, but but yeah, so she told me that had
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happened three times. And then in September 23, when
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she found out with Susie, Micah's plan was this.
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I'm going to go to Africa. And I'm going to take this time
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to focus on myself and heal and I'm going to figure out with God
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what he wants me to do. And because she told me about
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the abuse before her Africa trip.
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So during her Africa trip, she called me.
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And I think it was the hardest conversation.
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And it was, I think I'm going to go back to John Powell.
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And I said, what? Come again?
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What did you say, 'cause I mean, I just heard the most horrific
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things of my life. And within two weeks, she's
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like, I think I'm going to go back to John Paul.
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And I said, Micah, you're not going to be able to see your
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sisters. You're not going to be able to
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work. You want to go to.
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College. She was applying for college
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here near us to do marketing design.
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She loved that kind of stuff. I said your every plan that you
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have in place right now, you know he's going to take you out
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of it. And she said I know, but if I
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don't go back, who's going to hold the JP accountable for what
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he's doing? I'm his wife.
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There's nobody else that got put on this earth other than me.
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After me is his mom and I have to hold him accountable to the
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word of God. And so, and then her plan was
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what I think I shared the message where she said, I'm, I'm
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going to drop a contract and if he ever cheats on me again, if
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he ever is inappropriate with the person or, or, you know,
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disrespectful to me or he's going to lose the church and the
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home and everything in it and walk out empty handed.
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And I remember asking her, do you really think he's going to
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do this if you make him sign this?
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Do you really think he will oblige to the contract?
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Do you think he would live to up to this contract?
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And and she said, I have to believe.
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And that was that was her response.
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I have to believe, I have to try.
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And I said, how would you going to know when it's time to stop?
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Because every woman knows right? When it's time for her to get
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out of a relationship. So I asked Micah, what is your
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breaking point? Like, what is it?
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What is it going to take? For you to walk.
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Away from this, because obviously I had shared my
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experience, she heard from others, we talked about abuse
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during relationship and we talked about, you know, the
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infidelity. We talked about all these
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things, not just her and I, but as a group, Micah was very
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curious. She was always educating
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herself, asking questions. And so her question, her reply
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was, this is it, this is the last time.
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This is why I'm doing the contract because I do want to
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hold him unaccountable. And I feel like if I just walk
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away, God will hold me accountable for allowing him to
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continue to go up and preach knowing everything he's doing.
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So she found an immense responsibility.
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And at that point I said, I remember telling her at that
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point I said, I I know God can do miracles.
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But a person that hasn't changed most likely won't.
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You guys been together for a decade at this point.
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And she's like, well, I'm going to try.
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And I said, I'm here. I'm here for you no matter what.
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And so, and that was my heart. I just didn't want her to push
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me away because I knew that was going to come.
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And I didn't want her to withdraw from me from
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embarrassment of what she told me.
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So at that phone call, I told her I wasn't.
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Yeah, she was in Africa when we were talking during this phone
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call. I told her no matter what, no
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matter when, even if we're not part of the church, I said, you
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know, you always have my friendship whether you guys are
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together or not. I said, it's hard for me to look
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at John Paul the same now because I know too much.
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I said, but I'm here for you no matter what.
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And I love you. And, and she's like, I love you,
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too. And that was the last like
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friendship phone call we had before he cut her off because
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when she got back he forbade her from talking to me when they got
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back together. And you shared that text message
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where John Paul actually messages you and and and says
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you were at fault you you were sending for any even listening
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to Micah that's. That's what Micah and I had
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done. Talking about it was greater
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than anything he could have possibly committed.
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That's not true. That's not true.
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That is, I did not reply to that text.
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By the way, a lot of people ask how did I reply?
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What did I say? I blocked him because I know
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that's how they work. And if you reply, it's going to
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be. Back and forth.
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I didn't say a single thing to him.
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I blocked him. I went to Micah's phone and I
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messaged her directly. I said I I told you before and
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I'm here. I love you.
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I can be here in a week. I could be here 5 hours from
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now. If you need me 10 years from
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now, I'm still going to be here. So whatever you need, call me.
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There's no hard feelings. I respect you and I love you and
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I want you to be safe. And that was it.
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And then she replied with I'm sorry if I hadn't told you I
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wouldn't if I wish I hadn't caused this.
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She felt like it was her fault, like he really made her.
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Feel like it was her fault. So she apologized.
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She said, I'm sorry I told you and it's my fault that you know,
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we're no longer able to be friends.
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And I said, don't you dare take the blame for this.
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Everybody needs a friend. Listen, Jesus wept when his
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friend died. Everybody needs a friend.
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And you sharing with me and me sharing my heart with you is
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nothing wrong. There's no gossip.
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I didn't tell the world I capture secret as you asked me.
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But I'm still here and there's nothing wrong.
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You know, let's. Go back to before we get into
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the final months of of Micah's life.
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My. Phone's at 5%.
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Is there any mental illness? From Micah.
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Yeah. Did you see anything?
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Did you see? Anything in 2019?
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In 2020, she would talk a lot about mental illness.
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Her mental illness 2021, not super heavily, was just like
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something she she had when she had the surgery and she'll
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vaguely talk about it. When 21 and 22 hit, she was
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heavily talking about it. And there was times that I would
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meet with her and she was so medicated that she was not
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herself. And I told Ricky that, too.
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I said, I don't know what's going on with her medicine, but
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this is not right. I don't feel like I'm talking to
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Micah. Like, it started getting really
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heavy, really strange. And I asked her, I said, Micah,
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are you feeling OK? And she said yeah.
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And I said, something seems different.
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Is everything OK? Like, did you change the
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medication? She's like, yeah, we've been
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trying to figure out the dosage. And and when she said that, that
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was again, like, why are you figuring out the dosage?
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It's not your job. That's that's you know, I said,
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are you talking to a doctor? She said, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We got it working now. John Paul's got everything
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worked out. But did you ever see Micah in
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any source sort of psychotic break?
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Never. I never witnessed any psychotic
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break, any psychotic behavior. Matter of fact, I witnessed
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someone who actually had a lot of willpower and self strength
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because she restrained herself a lot.
24:48
Based on everything she went through.
24:50
She put up with a lot. Out of everything she told me, I
24:54
think she had a lot of strength and power in her face.
25:00
She was driven and she was hurting.
25:06
Let's talk about some of the conversations you and Micah had.
25:12
I don't think this next part is much of a surprise, but Micah
25:16
told you also that if something happens to her, it wasn't her.
25:25
Is that right? Yes, so on.
25:29
I'm going to plug my phone in because I'm afraid it's going to
25:31
die. Is it?
25:32
OK, go ahead, take take a moment do that.
25:35
No, no, no. You're OK.
25:38
It took my charger sorry, sorry on can you hear me?
25:46
Yeah, you're good. OK, good.
25:48
On March of 2024, I believe, she told my husband and I she was
25:57
staying that weekend with me. This is when we were finding a
26:01
lot of the a lot of the trackers on her car.
26:10
She will come over, pull her car in my garage.
26:12
We will go through it. I have the pictures.
26:15
We all, we, her brother and her, you know, to come to the police
26:18
and everything but. She was staying at our house
26:22
that. Weekend.
26:23
We went out that night. We came back home.
26:26
It's about 11:30. We're sitting in the counter
26:29
talking and she said she's talking about John Paul and
26:33
everything. Of course, the tracker, we just
26:35
took the razor blades, you know, and, and I told her, I said,
26:41
what if we bought a ticket and you go to Kansas?
26:44
So I don't even have my ID, I'm going to have to drive there.
26:47
You know, she's like, and if I get pulled over, who's going to
26:50
go bail me out? And she said this laughing, and
26:53
that's why I laughed, because in her mind it's like.
26:56
Who's got family out, you know? And then she said, you know, she
27:01
said she she heard from someone who was attending the church.
27:04
This is how she started. She said someone was attending
27:08
his last service on Sunday and he spoke from the pulpit.
27:12
He said that I'm crazy, that I stole money from the church,
27:15
that I bought a car with the money from the church.
27:19
She's like, I literally don't even have money for a
27:21
toothbrush. I'm coming here using your
27:23
makeup, your stuff, like I'm using Diana's stuff.
27:27
And she's like, he's defaming me.
27:29
And he is going to tell everybody that I'm crazy.
27:32
He's going to put a bullet in my head.
27:34
I'm going to show up, ditch, show up dead in a ditch
27:36
somewhere. And he's going to say that I
27:40
killed myself. And he's going to blame it.
27:42
He's going to say that I killed myself.
27:45
And then she even said she said, and now I did my testimony in
27:48
Africa and I know he's going to use that against me.
27:51
You know, this conversation didn't end there.
27:52
We continue talking for another 3 hours about this topic.
27:56
And she was scared. She was Bruna.
27:58
I want to live. And I asked her.
28:00
So here is what people don't realize.
28:02
But this day I asked her, I said, Micah, do you want to die?
28:06
I said, are you do you have any feelings like that?
28:09
Like you, you said that you once did because she said she once
28:13
did have it and tried and and that was her testimony and she
28:17
said no Bruna, I want to live. I want to live.
28:21
That's why I left John Paul because I want to live and that
28:24
was not living. So it was extremely horrific,
28:29
you know, hearing that, you know, when she said that, she
28:33
held my hand, she looked in my eyes.
28:35
We both cried like I want to live.
28:37
She repeated that like 3 times and because it was imagined.
28:41
Guys, we're in the heat of this conversation.
28:43
Your friend is going through the worst trial of her life.
28:46
Literally every day of her life she's going through have to
28:50
prove. Herself.
28:51
Proof that who she is, you know, everything she's doing is wrong.
28:56
You know, she bought a car with her money, she got a job, you
29:00
know, like, And it was so hard to witness all of that.
29:04
And it was such an emotional conversation for us that I had
29:07
to ask because I didn't want a question in my heart.
29:10
But it was very horrific. After she passed, I, I call
29:14
Robinson County. I emailed them the very day
29:17
Sunday or Monday and I never got a reply.
29:23
Never got any reply. And I want to, you know, you
29:27
said something there that she was staying with you guys for
29:30
that weekend and whatnot, and you guys were helping her with
29:32
the trackers and, and, and slash tires.
29:35
A lot of people say, you know, where was Micah's support
29:38
system? And, and I want to remind people
29:40
at this time, she had a ton of people like yourself helping her
29:46
during this time. And, and and that's in my
29:50
opinion, brings up why would she do this to herself when she had
29:54
the biggest support system? That she's ever had.
29:58
That's right. That she's ever had.
30:00
She literally put that whole army together herself.
30:03
Yep. And so I would never, I've, I
30:09
would never believe that she took her life.
30:12
You don't think? You don't think?
30:15
Is that her in the 911 call? Yes.
30:19
It is her. I think it is.
30:22
I've become. I've come to accept that it is
30:25
whether I don't think he was recorded there is too quiet.
30:29
The park is very loud. I walked that whole park.
30:32
There's birds everywhere. You hear people, you know, like
30:35
on a Saturday, it's busy. It's not like New York busy, but
30:39
it's busy and you hear everything you saw in the my
30:41
videos. You can hear the birds.
30:43
So I don't think he was there. But I think she was forced, of
30:47
course, somehow to read that. And you know how I know?
30:50
Because when she says when she says she wants her family to
30:53
find her, she releases like an anguish, you know what I mean?
30:57
Like she's afraid that they won't find her.
31:00
If she was going to commit, she would have planned it in a place
31:04
that they would find her. She would need to make this
31:06
call. Think about it.
31:09
She would need to make this call.
31:10
I want my family to know where to find me.
31:12
She'll make sure it was in a foundable place.
31:15
And so that's why it doesn't, I really think she was coerced.
31:21
And she would have because if she stay in the church to
31:24
protect 600 adults of their faith and their heart, and she
31:28
endure all the abuse, physically, emotionally,
31:33
psychologically, sexually, sexually, for the faith of
31:40
those. If someone had threatened to
31:43
hurt her sisters or to hurt her niece or anybody that she loved,
31:48
even Diana, she loved Diana. She would have done anything to
31:52
keep him safe. That's the mic.
31:54
I know. That's the friend she was.
31:59
In the 911 call does does she sound drugged or anything like
32:03
that? She sounds not herself like she
32:06
did when she was taking medicine earlier.
32:10
Like I mentioned, she sounds like that.
32:12
You know she does. She sounds like that.
32:16
So you believe that there was someone there with her that day?
32:20
Who? I believe between the gas
32:22
station and the park, something happened, Something happened and
32:29
between that a call was made and Micah's body was found where it
32:33
was found. I want to jump to and and and
32:39
one of the first people to tell me that Micah was proficient in
32:43
weapons is you and her would actually go to the gun range
32:46
you. This whole thing that John Paul
32:49
says I did everything for seven years to stop her from getting a
32:52
gun is simply false. It is it is because she.
32:57
Came to me on a Sunday morning. With him, she said.
33:00
Bruna. This is, I said, OK, she's like,
33:03
I want to go shoot it. Can you can you take me and
33:05
Bruna and John Paul was right next to her.
33:08
She even looked up at him and said, what are we doing
33:10
Wednesday? Can I go Wednesday?
33:12
And he's like, actually Wednesday.
33:15
Wednesday is women can shoot for free.
33:17
So if you guys can make it Wednesday even better.
33:19
I'll bring the bullets. You don't have to pay anything.
33:23
So she's like, great, let's do it. 1030 jump.
33:26
I was like OK don't forgot we got lunch with blah blah blah,
33:29
whatever they had planned and we went shooting.
33:33
I had capped the targets from her.
33:39
I have it. I cried so hard when I found it.
33:42
I didn't even, you know, like you keep those things from your
33:44
friend and you don't realize one day they won't be here.
33:47
And then you just want to hug this paper like it's.
33:51
Yeah. Did she tell you about the
33:54
weapon that John Paul gave her when they were separated right
33:59
before her death? About the weapon in the box that
34:02
we saw in the documentary. Yes, she very briefly, because
34:07
there's so much going on. I think I just remember the only
34:13
reason I remember is because I think she said she gave it to
34:15
her brother and she just kept saying Bruna.
34:18
I just gave it to my brother. I don't know what he wants.
34:20
I just Nate has it. Nate has it like because we
34:23
weren't you know, again, we both have aid AGD, so that's
34:26
something we share. So when she talks, she talk like
34:28
this, she get hyper excited and and or nervous or anxious.
34:32
And she would say, well, a lot more, a lot more graceful,
34:36
gracefully. I don't think Micah was so
34:38
patient, but she was saying, Oh, I just gave it to Nate.
34:41
Can you believe he said, Can you believe you would give me that?
34:44
Like what is wrong with Nate has it?
34:46
I don't want to think about it, you know, like and so I don't
34:49
remember the daytime of what happened, but I do remember her
34:53
saying that she got it. And I do remember her saying
34:56
that she had she passed it on. Did she say why she thought John
35:01
Paul gave it to her? I think that day he gave her the
35:04
gun, he was definitely insinuating and you know, trying
35:12
to, you know, when a narcissist triggers you to the point where
35:18
you explode and then you look crazy.
35:22
So I feel like rage bait is what he was doing to her often.
35:27
And so and then he will rage bait her and then drop her with
35:30
these things and and kind of let her figure out, you know, like,
35:35
oh, here's a tracker, here's a thing on your car, here's this
35:39
and then let her figure out the outcome of the events.
35:42
But yes, I think she gave it to Nate so she would never have
35:46
access to it and he could never tie her to jump out in this
35:49
whole situation. Her goal is to keep her name
35:53
clear out of any problems. Why do you think she went to the
35:57
park that day? Why do you think she bought a
35:59
weapon and went to the park that day?
36:02
I believe that was something that John Paul had perhaps
36:07
pictures and videos of her. It's my belief she struggled
36:13
with that a lot. And that's one of the things
36:14
that he used against her. This is personal stuff that they
36:20
did in their marital bedroom. And so and he recorded it and he
36:26
and he held those things above her head.
36:28
And, and one of the times actually, I remember her saying,
36:33
actually she was crying with me on the beach.
36:35
And she said the one time when he posted her picture online,
36:40
when she found out we were together, she's like, can you
36:44
meet them? Like yes.
36:45
And she just cry the entire time.
36:48
She's like, I would never be able to worship.
36:50
I said, you know that's not true.
36:52
You and I know that's not true. And and she said he's going to
36:56
ruin my image. And she was so distraught.
37:00
And he told her, once I'm done with you, no church will take
37:03
you. So he was threatening to expose
37:06
everything to ruin her image so she could never attend church
37:10
anywhere again or be able to worship again, which was her
37:14
true heart. And so that really hurt her.
37:20
That really hurt her. So I believe it was something
37:22
like that, like like a drive with her pictures or maybe an
37:28
old phone that she they had saved up to or something like
37:31
that because she had cash too, right.
37:35
And so I, I believe that that was something promised in
37:40
exchange because that's what he did a lot.
37:43
And, and not saying he was there because obviously they say that
37:46
he was at a soccer game, but when they were separated, he
37:50
would, oh, meet me here and then try to have a conversation to
37:53
convince her back or have her meet with someone to try and
37:56
convince her back. Well, let me let me ask you
37:59
this. I meant to ask this early.
38:01
Did she bring up the homeless people to you?
38:05
She told me about it. Yeah, that's and actually she
38:08
said that's why he never attended your services, cause he
38:12
didn't know who's going to run into because I served the
38:14
homeless, gave him food, gave him clothes, you know, and I was
38:17
inviting him to come out. And I thought strange that he
38:20
never did. He never once did, never cared
38:23
for Micah had been everybody in the church had at least attended
38:27
once, and he, as the pastor, didn't didn't care to.
38:33
So so. Yeah.
38:42
You know, somebody said to me the other day, one of the
38:44
questions that we got asked a lot when we went out was whose
38:47
church are you from? That's exactly what the homeless
38:50
would say. And one of the team members back
38:53
then asked me, Can you imagine if somebody we were serving knew
38:57
JP and knew everything he was doing, yet we were there serving
39:00
them with the logo of the shirt, you know?
39:04
And I said, God, I hope to God know because we have a lot of
39:08
explaining to do. Like none of us knew and we're
39:11
here, you know? Think about this.
39:12
This is. Disgusting.
39:13
This is not a man of God. This is no way a man of God.
39:19
It's. It's pure evil itself.
39:25
I want people to understand something because there there's
39:28
a, there's a separate story to this whole thing that I'm not
39:32
going to reveal just yet that involves other people and
39:34
homeless people. And, and I, I want to put people
39:38
in the position of the homeless person.
39:41
You're willing to do whatever for a buck.
39:46
Is that fair, Bruno? Yeah, absolutely.
39:50
That's absolutely what I want people to understand and and
39:53
there's a reason why I'm saying that because you're going to
39:56
hear a lot more in the future what I mean by that, but I just.
40:05
I just can't fathom, not as a husband doing that to your wife,
40:10
but then as a pastor. She cried really hard.
40:13
That was, I still have a hard time talking about that because
40:17
I think that was one of the things that hurt the most 'cause
40:22
she said that she said. I just I scrubbed my body until
40:27
it was red almost to the point of bleeding and I still couldn't
40:30
feel clean. And I held her so tight and, and
40:36
she I just let her cry. I just let her cry.
40:43
And I told her you should never feel like that ever again
40:45
because this is not this is not God.
40:49
God says love your wife as I love the church that I died for
40:57
Mike. That was an amazing woman.
40:59
Strong woman. I'm sorry, you know, you know
41:11
what I mean. And I'm not congratulating her
41:16
on this abuse. I'm congratulating her on not
41:20
actually being responding to him in the same level, you know,
41:25
like she could have. I mean, there's cases out there
41:28
of women who end up murdering their husbands for much less.
41:31
So like, seriously, like she really was trying to get out.
41:35
She really wanted to just be free after all this horrible
41:39
things. She just wanted to serve, go out
41:41
and be free. Like she could have gone after
41:43
anything else. And that was not her heart.
41:45
Bruna, is there anything else you want to share?
41:50
Yeah, I think the only thing I would like to share is this.
42:00
Micah was going through abuse for years, and she believed that
42:05
was her place because God, God, God call her to it until God
42:12
spoke to her heart and show her the truth.
42:14
This is not her place. And then she started fighting
42:17
for freedom. She wrote letters.
42:19
She had it for David. She called the police.
42:22
She tried in every way to get away from him.
42:25
And then she finally told me that he was going to put a
42:27
bullet on her head and make it look like a suicide.
42:32
And she also put that on her affidavit.
42:34
I believe she told other people too.
42:37
Nobody was listening them. I really, if anybody's
42:42
listening, when are we going to take action?
42:44
Like when are we going to believe her?
42:45
Like she's already not here anymore.
42:47
When are we going to believe her?
42:49
We still going to believe the abuser over the victim.
42:54
We're still going to do that after her passing.
42:56
You know, that's the question I think of often.
43:03
I just wanted to share that my, my heart and my prayer is that
43:08
the church would stay strong, that y'all would stick together
43:12
because the church is God's people.
43:16
It's not a man, it's not a person, it's not me.
43:20
It's God's people, the bride of Christ.
43:24
And there's a lot of really good, good people in, in the
43:29
church that that I just hope would continue on, press toward
43:38
the calling, run your race, stay encouraged, stay in your word,
43:44
keep worshipping. Like I, I, I can't wait to
43:48
worship again with everybody. But for now, I'm just worshiping
43:55
with me and Jesus to God. And I don't think God would be
44:03
pleased with me if I just jumped right into missions and women's
44:08
events and creative directing and worship leading and stuff.
44:12
I think when your world is shook up, you need to take a pause.
44:18
And I can only pray that more people will take a pause and
44:23
get, I'm trying to get my priorities straight right now
44:30
and that's making sure that my heart doesn't have any
44:33
unforgiveness, bitterness, resentment, just forgiveness and
44:39
hope for the future and peace because you can't put a price on
44:45
peace. Again, John Paul Miller denies
45:04
everything. He denies everything that Micah
45:08
accuses him of. He denies everything that every
45:11
friend of Micah accuses him of. He denies everything that every
45:15
past church member accuses him of.
45:18
He denies everything that every past church member accuses him
45:21
of. He denies everything that every
45:22
alleged minor victim accuses him of.
45:25
He denies all of this, and he's pleaded not guilty in his
45:31
upcoming trial.