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The Bolt Report | 12 August · The Bolt Report

• 0:11
  Speaker 1: Is the good reform.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight interest rates cut, but there's a nasty catch. Plus
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  Speaker 2: Green's founder Bob Brown rages against the huge wind farm.
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  Speaker 2: This is amazing. Bob's on my side. Also, tonight exposed
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  Speaker 2: our media and politicians swallow another Hammas lie about the
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  Speaker 2: evil Israel, claiming Israel killed an innocent Palestinian journalist. The
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  Speaker 2: facts coming up, and I'll talk to the author of
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  Speaker 2: a sensational new biography of Prince Andrew saying his sex
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  Speaker 2: scandals are bad, but his financial ones are even worse.
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  Speaker 2: But first, Anthony Albany's plan to recognize a Palestinian state
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  Speaker 2: next month today collapsed into fast The Prime Minister and
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  Speaker 2: his Foreign Minister, Pennywong have been humiliated, totally unable to
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  Speaker 2: explain how their bizarre plan would work. More embarrassing is
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  Speaker 2: that they have been clueless about how the stopped terrorists
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  Speaker 2: taking over the new state. Plus there's even more evidence
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  Speaker 2: of the Palestinian leader they trust to form this state
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  Speaker 2: is a corrupt, jee hating America hating liar who's hated
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  Speaker 2: even by Palestinians and is making promises to Albanizi he
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  Speaker 2: will not keep. Let me first set the scene again.
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  Speaker 2: On half of Albanesi's planned Palestinian state is Gaza and
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  Speaker 2: the other the West Bank. But Gaza is ruled by
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  Speaker 2: the Hamas Terris, who started this war by massacring twelve
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  Speaker 2: hundred Iserradis and taking two hundred and fifty one hostages,
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  Speaker 2: some of whom they hold even now. And the West
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  Speaker 2: Bank is ruled by Mamudabas. He's the eighty nine year
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  Speaker 2: old president the Palestinian Authority and head of the FATA
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  Speaker 2: party created by terrorist Yaser Arafat, and a Bus hasn't
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  Speaker 2: held an election in almost twenty years. He is a
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  Speaker 2: Bus is not just famously corrupt. He doesn't just defend
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  Speaker 2: Hitler for massacring six million Jews. He's also praised the
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  Speaker 2: now dead leader of mus and he hates America. How
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  Speaker 2: did he hear America? See now, that is the man
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  Speaker 2: that Albinizi trusts to create his Palestinian state. And that's
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  Speaker 2: the man who Albanizi says promised to someday meet Albanese's
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  Speaker 2: conditions for recognizing this state. Pinky promised him now to
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  Speaker 2: militarize the Palestinians. He'd stop paying pensions to terrorists, he'd
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  Speaker 2: hold elections for the first time nearly twenty years, and
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  Speaker 2: he wouldn't let a muss take over instead, and Albanizi
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  Speaker 2: actually believes him. But as I said last night, what
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  Speaker 2: if Albinizi, oh, a bus? What if a bus breaks
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  Speaker 2: all these promises promises that a bus need to think
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  Speaker 2: worth mentioning in his official readout of his long chat
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  Speaker 2: about all this with Albernezi last week. Well, Penny Woe
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  Speaker 2: last night in the ABC certainly had no answer to
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  Speaker 2: that basic question. What will Australia do if this a
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  Speaker 2: basque character had just lied to them again making promises
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  Speaker 2: he won't actually key can't actually keep.
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  Speaker 1: You said that you will do that if certain conditions
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  Speaker 1: are met. That's what the Prime Minister said. What happens
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  Speaker 1: if those conditions are not met? Will you still recognize
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  Speaker 1: Palestine in September?
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  Speaker 3: What we have said is that we will recognize Palestine
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  Speaker 3: in September. We've also said that that recognition is based
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  Speaker 3: on the commitments we have from the Palestinian authority. We
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  Speaker 3: will work with others to hold the Palestinian authority to
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  Speaker 3: those commitments.
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  Speaker 1: If those commitments are not met, will the Australian government
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  Speaker 1: still recognize a Palestinian state at the UN in September.
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  Speaker 3: We have said we will recognize a Palestinian state the
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  Speaker 3: UN and September. What we will also do is work
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  Speaker 3: with the international community to hold the Palestinian Authority to
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  Speaker 3: its commitments.
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  Speaker 2: Here you go, I mean, we'll recognize a Palestinian state
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  Speaker 2: next month and expect then it's all on a promise
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  Speaker 2: for these reforms, these conditions to be met after that.
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  Speaker 2: But by this morning, Wong still had no answer to
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  Speaker 2: how this government would make a bus then live up
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  Speaker 2: to those promises reform, disarm, stop a mass. How he
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  Speaker 2: would they would make him live up to them After
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  Speaker 2: we recognize this Palatinian state next month. Is the PA
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  Speaker 2: the right body to work with.
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  Speaker 3: There is a lot of reform of the Palatinian Authority
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  Speaker 3: which is required. We are clear eart about that.
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  Speaker 2: This is just incredible. In fact, no labor in p
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  Speaker 2: that I heard today, and I heard three or four
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  Speaker 2: had any clue how this condition would be enforced. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they're Heusic, a Muslim labor MP has been at alban
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  Speaker 2: Easy for months and months and months to recognize this
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  Speaker 2: palace in the state today even suggested that her mass
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  Speaker 2: would simply lay down their arms voluntarily, goodness of their heart.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what idiot would believe this.
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  Speaker 4: You spoke about demilitarizing Hamas can you can you tell
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  Speaker 4: me how you actually would be envisage that happening. How
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  Speaker 4: does that happen except for defeating them militarily.
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  Speaker 5: Again, that will be something that will need to happen
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  Speaker 5: as a result of agreements on the ground to.
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  Speaker 4: Say that they're going to give up their weapons. I
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  Speaker 4: just I can understand the skepticism around that.
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  Speaker 5: So there's well, I mean that skepticism is always you
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  Speaker 5: look at most places where self determination has come as
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  Speaker 5: a result of a pretty bloody struggle in different parts
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  Speaker 5: of the world. Kieran that that is always going to
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  Speaker 5: be a challenge at the outset, and it's to imagine
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  Speaker 5: it early on. But it does require cooperation and enforcement.
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  Speaker 5: Those details clearly haven't been settled at this point.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wait, Husick did mention just at the end enforcement,
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  Speaker 2: but ed enforcement by whom? I mean, we won't be
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  Speaker 2: sending soldiers who's going to make them? You know, most
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  Speaker 2: We're going to send a mustrous a stiff letter of complaint.
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  Speaker 6: How dare you.
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  Speaker 2: Not obey all these agreements we thought we had. As
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  Speaker 2: for the Greens, by the way, they don't even want
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  Speaker 2: us to ask the Palestinians to stop a mass from
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  Speaker 2: taking over. This is definitely lead a mayor in Ferruki today.
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  Speaker 3: The reality is that I don't think it's Australia's place
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  Speaker 3: to dictate the conditions of another people's self determination.
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  Speaker 2: What can you say about the Greens? What can you
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  Speaker 2: say about them? Then there's albinizimungs Pine, the sky plan
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  Speaker 2: for elections for this new state, the elections that are
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  Speaker 2: bus promise alban easy he'd finally hold after nearly twenty
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  Speaker 2: years of actually saying no. Well, there's a reason for that,
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  Speaker 2: because there's no way a Bus would hold free elections,
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  Speaker 2: and nor would Albanize really want them, not when he
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  Speaker 2: saw the result. You see. A recent poll of Palestinians
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  Speaker 2: by the Palatinian Center for Policy and Survey Research based
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  Speaker 2: in the West Bank. A poll done with the help
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  Speaker 2: of the Dutch found that Hermas is easily the most
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  Speaker 2: popular party in Palestine. It would win. In fact, well
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  Speaker 2: than eighty percent of palatin His polled want a Bas
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  Speaker 2: to resign. They want Albanis his preferred leader, to actually quit,
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  Speaker 2: but oving to today waved away this evidence that a
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  Speaker 2: mass was most likely to win the election that is demanded,
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  Speaker 2: just like a mass won the last one that a
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  Speaker 2: bus stared to call.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not sure how you poll and Gaza at the moment.
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  Speaker 7: It would be an interesting exercise, but what people in
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  Speaker 7: Gaza want clearly is for a peace.
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  Speaker 2: Oh just answered with some snark. But look, Prime minister,
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  Speaker 2: if you really were interested in how this poll in
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  Speaker 2: the West Bank and Gaza that was done, there's actually
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  Speaker 2: a long explanation of just that on the polster's page.
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  Speaker 2: All that alban Ezi needs to do is to look,
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  Speaker 2: but he won't because he just doesn't want to know
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  Speaker 2: that he trusts a Palestinian leader who Palestinians don't. And
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  Speaker 2: it's recognizing a state that a mus would most likely control,
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  Speaker 2: and all this just shows how Albertizi and Wang are
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  Speaker 2: totally out of their depth. Just as the opposition leader
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  Speaker 2: said today.
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  Speaker 8: It rewards them and it emboldens them, and they have
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  Speaker 8: made that clear by saying that these decisions around the
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  Speaker 8: world are the fruit of their hideous actions on October
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  Speaker 8: the seventh, and that is to their shame.
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  Speaker 2: It's a plan that rewards terrorists and alban EASi and
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  Speaker 2: Wong have a plan. They cannot explain a plan that
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  Speaker 2: can only help those terrorists and hurt Israel. And my
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  Speaker 2: question now is this, why don't they even care. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: good news today for borrowers, bad for everyone else. Though,
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  Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank cut official interest rates byero point two
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  Speaker 2: five basis points from three point eight five percent to
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  Speaker 2: three point six which I trusion. Jim Charmer is happy
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  Speaker 2: and claiming credit it will put more money in the
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  Speaker 2: pockets of people who are under pressure.
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  Speaker 9: It means one hundred and nine dollars a month for
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  Speaker 9: every seven hundred thousand dollars owed, and the three cuts
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  Speaker 9: this year together are about three hundred and thirty dollars
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  Speaker 9: a month, or almost four thousand dollars a year.
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  Speaker 2: But the bad news. The bad news is that the
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  Speaker 2: Reserve Bank also today said we're going to get poorer
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  Speaker 2: than it had thought. It had thought our productivity would
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  Speaker 2: go up by one percent a year for the next
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  Speaker 2: two years. Now it realized it was too optimistic. Productivity
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  Speaker 2: growth will be added miserly zero point seven percent instead.
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  Speaker 2: But when it's bad news like that, the treasure is
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  Speaker 2: always key to say We shouldn't blame him, not even
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  Speaker 2: after more than three years in the job.
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  Speaker 9: We do have a productivity challenge in our economy. That
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  Speaker 9: challenge has been long standing. It is also global, as
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  Speaker 9: the Reserve Bank points out, but it is substantial and
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  Speaker 9: it is the government's primary focus, not just next next week.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me is our Tuesday regular National CeNAT to Matt Canavan,
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  Speaker 2: the former Resources Minister. Matt, great to see you. We've
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  Speaker 2: been getting poorer per person for some time measured by
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  Speaker 2: disposable income. That doesn't look like change much on these.
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  Speaker 10: Figures, unfortunately not Andrew, and that graph you just displayed
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  Speaker 10: showed it starkly that if you look at the right
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  Speaker 10: end of that graph for the cliff that has popped
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  Speaker 10: up on the scene of the last few years, the
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  Speaker 10: first term of the Labor government is nothing like we've
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  Speaker 10: ever seen before. Labor productivity on that graph you just
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  Speaker 10: showed has fallen over five percent in the first three
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  Speaker 10: years of this government. And as you can see, I
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  Speaker 10: think you're putting it back up there now. There's never
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  Speaker 10: been a full like that. I looked at it a
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  Speaker 10: few years ago or a few months ago. Sorry, And
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  Speaker 10: the biggest floor fall prior to that over a three
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  Speaker 10: year period was point six of a percent back in
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  Speaker 10: the recession we had to have in Paul Keating's time.
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  Speaker 10: So this is just out off the charts reduction five
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  Speaker 10: percent compared to point six and it's taken the Labor
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  Speaker 10: Party a long time to wake up to the fact
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  Speaker 10: that the other thing that shows in that graph is
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  Speaker 10: that our disposable income is pretty much linked one to
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  Speaker 10: one with productivity. So as our productivity has fallen by
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  Speaker 10: that much, our disposable income on average in Australia has
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  Speaker 10: fallen too. And that's why people are feeling it, feeling
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  Speaker 10: so tough and struggling to survive. Right now now the government,
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  Speaker 10: as I say, it's finally cotten onto this. I criticized
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  Speaker 10: them three years ago when they had their Jobs and
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  Speaker 10: Skills Summit, and I say at the time, why are't
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  Speaker 10: you inviting the Productivity Commission? Our productivity growth had been
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  Speaker 10: sclerotic up to that point, but not falling off a
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  Speaker 10: cliff like it is now. Why you and they didn't
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  Speaker 10: even have the Productivity Commission come along to their Jobs
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  Speaker 10: and Skill summit. Now they're doing a productivity summit next week.
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  Speaker 10: But it all seems sort of slap dash this productivity
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  Speaker 10: round table. There seems to be no coherent or cogent
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  Speaker 10: messages apart from a whole new series of tax increases
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  Speaker 10: that are being proposed, and no one's been able to
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  Speaker 10: explain to me Andrew, how will a tax increase an
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  Speaker 10: increase in taxes going to help us be more productive
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  Speaker 10: and therefore get people's incomes up.
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  Speaker 2: All this governor has done in his first three years
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  Speaker 2: was low the load business with more red tape, more
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  Speaker 2: green tape, more union restrictions. No wonder we're struggling. But
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: speaking of that, here's one insight Matt into why our
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  Speaker 2: economy is struggling. It's one that you picked up on
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  Speaker 2: your Twitter feed four years ago. The owners of the
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  Speaker 2: Tomago Aluminum smelter that's the newcastle they brought into this
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  Speaker 2: whole green energy heart that seems to have carried away
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  Speaker 2: a lot of our business elite. They claimed their smelter
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  Speaker 2: would go green, would use more wind and sol the power.
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  Speaker 2: But this week we saw a reality hit. It told
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  Speaker 2: this workers that in fact, higher power prices now would
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  Speaker 2: force the smelter to close. What lesson do you take
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  Speaker 2: from this?
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  Speaker 10: Nothing green ever works Andrew As I've ripped that off
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  Speaker 10: from Tim Blair, your esteem colleague. But nothing green ever
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  Speaker 10: seems to work. There's a lot of promises. The sales
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  Speaker 10: pitch for green things is excellent, it's great. It's just
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  Speaker 10: when you get the product home and start using it,
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  Speaker 10: it all falls apart. And unfortunately there's no extended warranty
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  Speaker 10: on green energy. We are stuck with this rubbish, and
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  Speaker 10: we're stuck at the moment with these higher power prices.
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  Speaker 10: What happened to Tomago is as you've as you've put
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  Speaker 10: up there on the screen, is they they put out
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  Speaker 10: to market. They said, we want to go green. Let's
• 14:31
  Speaker 10: try and build some solace and wind offshore wind as well.
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  Speaker 10: They're talking about that project off Newcastle. Let's see, let's
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  Speaker 10: let's let's go out and see what that will cost.
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  Speaker 10: Because we're told the CSIRO and others tell us this
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  Speaker 10: is cheaper than the coal we're using right now. And anyway,
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  Speaker 10: low and behold, the bids came back to tom Ago
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  Speaker 10: and they're way too high and they can't survive at
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  Speaker 10: those sort of prices. Keep in mind the amount of
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  Speaker 10: energy that smelter users just north of where I am
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  Speaker 10: right now, it's an for pretty much a whole power station.
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  Speaker 10: You could build a coal fired power station of that
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  Speaker 10: size just to run the Tomago aluminium smelter, and it
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  Speaker 10: needs it twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.
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  Speaker 10: Intermittent renewable power just can't do that. So if we
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  Speaker 10: want to keep these kind of jobs, we've got to
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  Speaker 10: have solutions like coal power which can stay on all
• 15:21
  Speaker 10: the time. You shut your cold fire power stations done down,
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  Speaker 10: you're going to lose manufacturing in this country, and you're
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  Speaker 10: not going to change the temperature of the globe either.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, Look just quickly made a run out of time,
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  Speaker 2: But I just need to ask you this. Meanwhile, the
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  Speaker 2: founder of the Green is Bob Brown. He's fighting a
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  Speaker 2: wind farm off Tasmania's coast of Robin's Island. He says
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: it's a bird killer, not just an I saw a
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  Speaker 2: bird killer, he says. The Robins Island project includes a
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  Speaker 2: vast concrete causeway, one hundred turbines with blades spinning more
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  Speaker 2: than twice as high as Hobut's Wrist Point casino tower
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of flight paths including the critically endangered
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  Speaker 2: orange belly Parrott and TASMANI his giant wigetailed eagle. Do
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  Speaker 2: you find yourself on the side of Bob Brown as well?
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  Speaker 2: This is GREENSCWU To your surprise.
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  Speaker 10: Not only do I find myself on the side of
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  Speaker 10: Bob Andrew. During the election campaign, I was at a
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  Speaker 10: rally against a wind project in North Queensland, and I
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  Speaker 10: believe Bob Brown was at a simultaneous rally in Tasmania
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  Speaker 10: and we live streamed into it. I never thought I'd
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  Speaker 10: be going effectively to the same political pro well, at
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  Speaker 10: least on the same side. I've actually been at rallies
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  Speaker 10: with Bob before, but we're on opposing sides before. But
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  Speaker 10: it's funny how politics can sometimes cause strange friends. But look,
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  Speaker 10: I also think I think Bob now he'd get along
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  Speaker 10: with Donald Trump really well. What you've just quoted him
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  Speaker 10: saying there is pretty much pretty much word for word
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  Speaker 10: what the President told Keir Starmer a few weeks ago.
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  Speaker 10: So I think they're in the political body with each
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  Speaker 10: other soon.
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  Speaker 2: How does the Greens movement come to when they're proposing
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  Speaker 2: projects that Bob Brown cannot stomach? I mean it just
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  Speaker 2: says something how they've lost their tiny minds Matt Canavan,
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  Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: the Prime minister that reckons he knows what's wrong with Israel,
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  Speaker 2: but today he wasn't even sure of its geography or
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  Speaker 2: its borders from the river, So what exactly is.
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  Speaker 7: It Harmas don't support two states, they support one state.
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  Speaker 7: In their own words, from the river to the sea,
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  Speaker 7: from the Jordan River to the ocean.
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  Speaker 2: Ocean, and no prime minis is from the river to
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: the sea. The Mediterranean Sea not an ocean. After the break,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump sends troops into Washington plus Chinese naval ships
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: ram each other. But it's not that funny when you
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: see what they were up to. We got another warning
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: yesterday of just how aggressive China is, although this time
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: it almost literally shot itself from the foot. China's trying
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: to steal the South China Sea, including the Scarborough Reef
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: that is claimed by the Philippines. It's a ref Filipino
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  Speaker 2: fisherman use. But yesterday China sent a destroyer and a
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  Speaker 2: coastguard ship to chase them away with water cannon and
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  Speaker 2: nearly rammed a Filipino Coastguard ship trying to protect them.
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  Speaker 2: Except the Chinese Coastguard ship chasing the Filipinos didn't look
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  Speaker 2: too starboard and got rammed by the Chinese destroyer. There
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  Speaker 2: was also harassing them. The result a hole in the
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  Speaker 2: bow the Chinese destroyer and the bow the Chinese Coast
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  Speaker 2: Guard ship ripped off. Embarrassing for China, but for US.
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  Speaker 2: Check out China's aggression there. It's China itching for war
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: or what? But speaking of war, so the war China
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: is backing In Ukraine, Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Could it
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  Speaker 2: finally end? I said on Thursday that US President Ronald
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Trump was finally going to call out Russian President Vladimir Putin,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: going to impose sanctions if Putin didn't agree to a
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  Speaker 2: peace deal with Ukraine by last Friday. Bad news. Putin
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  Speaker 2: actually stalled again by agreing to talk to Trump in
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Alaska this coming Friday. It's their first meeting in six years,
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  Speaker 2: but Putin refused to have Ukraine's president at that meeting,
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  Speaker 2: which made a lot of European leaders scared. They fear
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Putin will sell Trump a terrible plan like promising peace
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  Speaker 2: if Ukraine gives up the rest of its eastern provinces
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  Speaker 2: that Russia still has not conquered, and that Trump will
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  Speaker 2: then forced it on Ukraine just to say he got
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: an eel. But Trump, at least overnight, has eased some
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  Speaker 2: of those concerns. First, he promised not to make any
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  Speaker 2: deal on his own and promised to involve Zelenski.
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to meet with him.
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  Speaker 11: We're going to see what the parameters are. I'm then
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  Speaker 11: going to call up President Zelenski and the European leaders
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  Speaker 11: right after the meeting, and I'm going to tell them
• 19:59
  Speaker 11: what kind of a I'm not going to make a deal.
• 20:00
  Speaker 11: It's not up to me to make a deal. Ultimately,
• 20:02
  Speaker 11: I'm going to put the two of them in a room.
• 20:05
  Speaker 11: I'll be there or i won't be there, and I
• 20:07
  Speaker 11: think it'll get solved.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: But Trump did so. Ukraine's President's ALENSI might have to
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: agree to let Russia have some of the land it
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: has invaded since twenty fourteen, although he did add.
• 20:18
  Speaker 11: This, Russia's occupied a big portion of Ukraine. They've occupied
• 20:23
  Speaker 11: some very prime territory.
• 20:25
  Speaker 12: We're going to try and get some of their territory
• 20:26
  Speaker 12: back for Ukraine.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Giving up some land painful, but it may be inevitable
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: if this war is to end. I was joined earlier
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: by Sean Spice, of Donald Trump's first White House spokesman.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Sean Spice is great to see you again. Look it's
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: flame me. Putin's stringing out Donald Trump yet again. I mean,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: talking peace while still killing Ukrainians. Trump keeps sitting him
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: deadlines for peace. But do you expect finally a follow through?
• 20:53
  Speaker 13: Look, I think the expectations for Friday are really high.
• 20:55
  Speaker 13: The President said all the right things today at that
• 21:00
  Speaker 13: that epic press conference he held in the White House
• 21:02
  Speaker 13: briefing room. I think he's pretty clear what he expects
• 21:05
  Speaker 13: to get out of this. The President's I think, playing
• 21:08
  Speaker 13: from a hand of strength this week, Andrew, I think
• 21:12
  Speaker 13: Putin got the message that Trump was really serious now,
• 21:16
  Speaker 13: that Trump had given him a lot of runway to
• 21:18
  Speaker 13: get to a deal for peace, he hadn't taken it,
• 21:22
  Speaker 13: and that Trump was really about to ratchet it up,
• 21:24
  Speaker 13: which would have affected not just militarily the strategy, but
• 21:28
  Speaker 13: also economically and really starting to affect how the Russian
• 21:32
  Speaker 13: people viewed Vladimir Putin. So, I mean, I was really
• 21:37
  Speaker 13: pleased with a lot of what President Trump said today
• 21:40
  Speaker 13: tactically about how he's going into that meeting.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: To another ball in the Middle East. Look, this is
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: embarrassing to say that Australia has actually split with the
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: United States and said it will recognize a Palestinian state
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: next month, banking on the promises by the corrupt Palestine authority. Oh, yes,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: we're going to hold elections after twenty years of not
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: holding them. Yes we're going to keep out Hamas or
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: the master controls Gaza. Yes it's going to demilitarize, and
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: yes it will stop paying pensions to Palaes in these
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: kills Jews. Just just you know, all promises. Is this
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: going to make America doubt that Australia is an ally
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: it can trust with the three nuclear submarines, has agreed
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: to build us when it's right now having a review
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: into whether we'll actually need those submarines for itself.
• 22:32
  Speaker 13: There are some people questioning Donald Trump's strategy when it
• 22:35
  Speaker 13: comes to Ukraine and how he's handling Putin.
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: I think this is just the art of the deal
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: foreign policy edition.
• 22:42
  Speaker 13: That being said, these same people have no problem siding
• 22:46
  Speaker 13: with a terrorist organization that on October seventh launched a brutal,
• 22:51
  Speaker 13: unfounded attack against civilians. I mean, I just I don't
• 22:55
  Speaker 13: think It's lost on me that it's funny how I
• 22:59
  Speaker 13: on one hand they Ustian Trump's commitment to peace and
• 23:03
  Speaker 13: how he's handling Putin, and at the same time, these
• 23:06
  Speaker 13: same leaders are coddling up to a terrorist organization that
• 23:09
  Speaker 13: brutally killed women and children and innocent civilians for no reasons.
• 23:14
  Speaker 13: As for the aucue issue and the subs, look, I
• 23:18
  Speaker 13: hope it doesn't undermine are our commitment because I think
• 23:22
  Speaker 13: this is bigger than just Australia and the UK. This
• 23:25
  Speaker 13: is about a deterrence to China, and I hope that
• 23:30
  Speaker 13: we get that.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Well you say that, but I mean America would be
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: relying on Australia coming to its side in the war
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: with China. With the three subs that we're supposedly going
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: to get. But don't forget that Australia relies on China
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: through taking one third of our exports. We would be
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: ruined by going to war with China. I don't know
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: that we can be treated as a safe ally to
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: America in those cirks, but you'll see what happens.
• 23:56
  Speaker 13: It's funny Andrew, all of these countries, it's amazing how
• 24:00
  Speaker 13: they love to talk tough and tell the US what
• 24:03
  Speaker 13: to do, and all these European leaders calling Trump and
• 24:06
  Speaker 13: jd Vance over the weekend when he was and talking
• 24:08
  Speaker 13: about what we should be doing to protect them, and
• 24:12
  Speaker 13: then at the same time, up until not too long ago,
• 24:15
  Speaker 13: buying Russian gas, aiding at a betting China in its efforts.
• 24:20
  Speaker 13: At the end of the day, this should be a
• 24:22
  Speaker 13: question of good versus evil, right versus wrong, And yet
• 24:25
  Speaker 13: in so many cases everyone loves to talk a good
• 24:27
  Speaker 13: game and coddle up to China.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, well, Australia has been buying petrol from India
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: refined from oil smuggled out of Russia. We have actually
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: been helping to feed the Russian war machine. Donald Trump
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: yesterday I said he was going to take over Washington's
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: police force and send in eight hundred National Guards.
• 24:45
  Speaker 12: Herees today, we're declaring public safety emergency in the District
• 24:51
  Speaker 12: of Columbia. Our capital city has been overtaken by violent
• 24:54
  Speaker 12: gangs and bloodthirsty criminals, roving mobs of wild youth, drugged
• 24:59
  Speaker 12: out maniacs, and homeless people.
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: And we're not going to let it happen anymore.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: We're not going to take it. Shaan Sposer, the White
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: House says Washington, DC has got a murder rate now
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: of more than twenty seven people per one hundred thousand.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: In context, it's nearly six times higher that murder rate
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: than in New York City, higher than Atlanta, Chicago, et cetera,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: twice what it was thirty years ago. On the other hand,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: his own Justice Department in January actually boasted to help
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: drive down violent crime in Washington by a third in
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: two years, and it's violent crime rate is now just
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: low straight in thirty years. Although we've got to say
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: has been talked by the police union there that the
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: figures have been fiddled. What is going on there?
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: Well, you just put your finger on it at the end.
• 25:46
  Speaker 13: So I spend a decent amount of time going in
• 25:49
  Speaker 13: and out of our nation's capital. One of the things
• 25:51
  Speaker 13: that people don't want to tell you is over the
• 25:54
  Speaker 13: last several years, we've stopped prosecuting a lot of crimes.
• 25:58
  Speaker 13: The police won't go after certain criminals. I literally drove
• 26:01
  Speaker 13: down the street months ago as a gang kind of
• 26:03
  Speaker 13: came up from behind, and they were doing all sorts
• 26:06
  Speaker 13: of motorcycle and bicycle tricks. And I looked at the
• 26:09
  Speaker 13: guy in the uber and he said, Oh, this happens
• 26:11
  Speaker 13: all the time. The police won't touch him anymore. So
• 26:13
  Speaker 13: we've just stopped. So when they talk to you about statistics,
• 26:16
  Speaker 13: whether it's Washington, DC or New York City, the dirty
• 26:18
  Speaker 13: little secret that they don't want to tell you is
• 26:21
  Speaker 13: that they have stopped prosecuting crimes.
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: They've stopped arresting people.
• 26:26
  Speaker 13: And whether that's too pad statistics or not, but I'll
• 26:29
  Speaker 13: tell you the real way you can tell is ask
• 26:33
  Speaker 13: somebody if they feel comfortable or safe walking around our
• 26:36
  Speaker 13: nation's capital.
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: And so I really don't care about the statistics.
• 26:39
  Speaker 13: To be honest with you, that it's scary in our
• 26:42
  Speaker 13: nation's capital, especially as the sunset gangs have taken over.
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: Crime is rampant.
• 26:47
  Speaker 13: The police don't stop it anymore, no one prosecutes it.
• 26:50
  Speaker 13: The US Attorney Janin Pirot at that White House press
• 26:53
  Speaker 13: conference that you played a clip from, she made it
• 26:56
  Speaker 13: very clear that she's been hamstrung by her ability to
• 27:00
  Speaker 13: actually prosecute crimes. So the reality is that our nation's capital,
• 27:05
  Speaker 13: which is something that we should be welcoming people from
• 27:07
  Speaker 13: all over the world into, is not a safe place.
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: In fact, a very dangerous place.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Well, we shall see what happens here, I mean is
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: the usual talk of oh Trump is a dictator whatever,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: but he's start it before in this first administration, trying
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: to crack down on crime and cities that won't do
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: it for themselves, and let's see what happens here. Sean Spicer,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time.
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: Good to see Andrew, thank you.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: After the break, the latest Hamas lie exposed how the
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: media and our politicians fell for claims that Israel slaughtered
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: an innocent journalist. The Albanize government recognizing a Palestinian state.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: That comes after a frenzy of anti Israel media propaganda
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: whipped up by Hamas and just swallowed by a leftist
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: politicians and media. Here I'll give you the latest example.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Just yesterday, the ABC led news bulletins with claims that
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Israel had killed Annas Jamal al Sharif, a supposedly innocent
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: journalist working for Al Jazeera, which most journalists forget to
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: add is owned by Qatar, which has funded Hamas. This
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: claim was repeated to Dave By, for instance, ABC host Salisara.
• 28:23
  Speaker 8: Israel did target journalists in this case, didn't it.
• 28:25
  Speaker 14: This was the office of our Jazeira, which had others
• 28:28
  Speaker 14: in it.
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: It was a tent.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: This claim was not questioned by foreigners of Penny Wong,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: who seems on a jihad against Israel.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Journalists should be protected just as humanitarian workers should be protected.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: This Al Sharif is now like a humanitarian worker. In fact,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: that Israel had already released Haamas documents seized in Gaza,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: listing al Sharif as a Hamas terrorist, previously wounded as
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: a Hamas operative in the war. It even knew as
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Hamas identity number, where he served, what he did for Hamas,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: and I've since seen photos of him getting very close
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: to than now assassinated. Hama's leader is in the man's headlock.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: And he also posted an appeal to subscribe to a
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: What'sapp application of the mass al Kasm brigade and posted
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: this invitation saying at the invitation of the Mujahid brother
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Ishmael Abd al Salamahania, head of the political Bureau of
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: the Islamic Resistance Movement Hamas Wi, and he said, we
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: invite you to cover the national meeting. And that's not
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: even counting this man's pro Hamas propaganda for al Jazeera,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: which is a weapon of war really, So no, Israel
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: did not just kill some random journalist, It killed a
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Hamas operative. So why didn't the ABC and Penny Wong
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: simply say so? Join me is the panel? Will Kingston
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: hosts of Fire at Will, a podcast from The Spectator
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: on politics and culture, has Kind's host Georgia of Danika
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: and James every Sunday at eight pm. Will, I guess
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: the real question with this and the many other examples
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: have given of from US lies repeated by the media
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: here it's truth is this, why does the media left
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: seem so quick to believe the worst of Israel?
• 30:18
  Speaker 14: Well, I guess there's an obvious answer and a less
• 30:20
  Speaker 14: obvious answer, Andrew. The obvious answer is that most of
• 30:24
  Speaker 14: the media is of the left, and the left is
• 30:26
  Speaker 14: aggressively anti Israel. And I would add that I think
• 30:29
  Speaker 14: that there are journalists within the ABC and the Guardian
• 30:32
  Speaker 14: who aren't just anti Israel, they are anti Semitic. The
• 30:36
  Speaker 14: less obvious, but I think deeper answer is I don't
• 30:39
  Speaker 14: think that the left, throughout this conflict has been able
• 30:42
  Speaker 14: to comprehend that Hamas and indeed many people who hold
• 30:47
  Speaker 14: the Islamic faith across the Middle East do not think
• 30:50
  Speaker 14: like us. They don't have a Western liberal worldview. The
• 30:54
  Speaker 14: concept of human rights is foreign to them. And if
• 30:57
  Speaker 14: you think that they think in the same way as us,
• 31:00
  Speaker 14: then you are misunderstanding the way that they've approached this conflict.
• 31:03
  Speaker 14: You misunderstand their tactics. You can't understand that they would
• 31:06
  Speaker 14: openly put their children in the line of fire because
• 31:09
  Speaker 14: they see them as being martyrs to a greater cause.
• 31:12
  Speaker 14: You cannot comprehend that they will use hospitals, they will
• 31:15
  Speaker 14: use schools, they will do all of these awful things
• 31:18
  Speaker 14: in order to prolong this conflict.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I think too.
• 31:20
  Speaker 14: Many people in the media still have this view that
• 31:24
  Speaker 14: we are all the same, that all cultures are equal,
• 31:26
  Speaker 14: because if they give that up, that then breaks their
• 31:29
  Speaker 14: entire worldview and so many of their other pet projects
• 31:31
  Speaker 14: in Australia, like mass migration and like multiculturalism. The one
• 31:35
  Speaker 14: thing that I would push, and we need to continue pushing,
• 31:38
  Speaker 14: is that we are not all equal, We are not
• 31:40
  Speaker 14: all the same. This culture is dramatically different to ours.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I totally agree with you and Danika. I think it
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: goes to the point that for many here it seems
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: that Israel doesn't exist. There's a country over there fighting
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: a particular enemy over there. Try to understand it. It's
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: more like, how can we use whatever we imagine is
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: going on there or would like to imagine going on there,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: to fight ideological wars here? And I think that's what
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: the Alberdezi government's up to. Really.
• 32:16
  Speaker 15: No, well, I completely agree, and also don't forget the
• 32:18
  Speaker 15: ABC regularly Andrew quotes death figures from the Palestinian Health Ministry,
• 32:24
  Speaker 15: which is Hamas run and has been deliberately inflating the
• 32:27
  Speaker 15: death figures since day one. So again, extraordinary from the
• 32:31
  Speaker 15: public broadcaster, and especially given it dedicates a lot of
• 32:34
  Speaker 15: time and resources to actually covering this war. But what
• 32:37
  Speaker 15: I think has happened here is a lot of the reporters,
• 32:39
  Speaker 15: not just in Australia but around the world, are bringing
• 32:41
  Speaker 15: their personal biases, their anti Israel bias, into the workplace
• 32:46
  Speaker 15: under the guise of fair and balanced reporting. So we
• 32:50
  Speaker 15: have a situation where not only is Hamas running the
• 32:53
  Speaker 15: Gaza strip, but they're actually effectively running newsrooms around the world.
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: You only have to look at what happened a couple
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: of weeks ago.
• 33:00
  Speaker 15: The New York Times publish that photo of the little
• 33:02
  Speaker 15: boy on the front page saying that Israel was starving
• 33:05
  Speaker 15: civilians when that child had cerebral palsy too late.
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: It went around the world.
• 33:10
  Speaker 15: Our very own Prime minister even referenced it in an interview,
• 33:13
  Speaker 15: and suddenly the novel being pedled out of Gaza by
• 33:17
  Speaker 15: Hamas was that Israel was deliberately starving civilians, and not
• 33:20
  Speaker 15: one journalist thought to ask, well, hang on a second,
• 33:23
  Speaker 15: why would Israel, which is actually supplying aid trying to
• 33:26
  Speaker 15: help innocent civilians, why would they so publicly and shamelessly
• 33:31
  Speaker 15: want to kill innocent people. There is a complete lack
• 33:33
  Speaker 15: of interest, a complete lack of curiosity. Harmass is prolonging
• 33:37
  Speaker 15: this war and while the media is capitulating to it
• 33:40
  Speaker 15: that it will just continue going longer and longer.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Andrew, I think that's spot on. Denika Will. The Obediser
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: government absolutely slaughtered the opposition of the last selection for
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: wanting to stop working from home for Camber of public servants,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: scared the Liberals into dropping the policy, but now well
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: victorious labor treasure, it has admitted the Victorian public servants.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: For one, we're ignoring orders to take two days a
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: week off to work from home. Or when I say
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: off two days a week to work from home, and
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: in Queensland, this surfer was actually filmed last week supposedly
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: working from home.
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: Here is It's eleven am on a weekday and you're surfing.
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: Didn't you be at work? I'm working from home? Say
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: oh nice are now?
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: Cool mane John.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Look to be fair that surfer maybe went home after
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: surfing the waves and worked for the next eight hours straight.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: But will do you believe that working from home for
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of workers actually does seem an excuse to
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: shirk from home?
• 34:46
  Speaker 14: Yeah, of course it is. In fact, Andrew, I was
• 34:47
  Speaker 14: reflecting on this in a broader context only the other day,
• 34:50
  Speaker 14: and I was thinking, the twenty first century has been
• 34:52
  Speaker 14: this series of crazy experiments with very uncertain outcomes that
• 34:56
  Speaker 14: we've just foisted upon the public, whether it be mass migration,
• 34:59
  Speaker 14: whether it be gin kids iPhones, whether it be moving
• 35:02
  Speaker 14: dating into the online realm, and now this whole working
• 35:05
  Speaker 14: from home thing, and we won't see the full consequences
• 35:07
  Speaker 14: for a decade, perhaps decades. For what I suspect is
• 35:11
  Speaker 14: you will see that this will contribute to our already
• 35:13
  Speaker 14: long run productivity. Was the reality is that most people
• 35:17
  Speaker 14: do use working from home as a way to catch
• 35:19
  Speaker 14: up with life admin under the guise of work life balance,
• 35:23
  Speaker 14: so that you know you can't can't argue with it
• 35:25
  Speaker 14: as an employer. I think this is an extraordinary change
• 35:29
  Speaker 14: the way that we live our lives, and we aren't
• 35:30
  Speaker 14: really thinking about just how dramatic the consequences will be
• 35:34
  Speaker 14: in the long run.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, Now, Denik or I should declare that I
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: work from home, but I am employed to do a
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: specific job like right, research and present this show, and
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: if it doesn't get done, it doesn't it look like
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: an idiot. So you know, that's a task and I'm
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: paid to do the task and I do it from home.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: But I don't know if that actually works for a
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: lot of other people, if that's really quite the metric there.
• 36:05
  Speaker 15: No, I mean if old mate's taken a surf in
• 36:06
  Speaker 15: the middle of the day, then that's a big problem.
• 36:09
  Speaker 15: And look, the other thing is you have to have
• 36:10
  Speaker 15: a lot of trust in your employees when they are
• 36:13
  Speaker 15: working from home. I am fully on the side of
• 36:16
  Speaker 15: business with this, Andrew. I think that business should have
• 36:19
  Speaker 15: the right to choose what they want to do for
• 36:20
  Speaker 15: their employees, how they choose to run their businesses, but
• 36:24
  Speaker 15: I do not trust that people are not actually doing
• 36:27
  Speaker 15: their jobs. You've got UNI graduates who've never worked a
• 36:29
  Speaker 15: nine to five in an office in their entire lives
• 36:32
  Speaker 15: on the couch and their pajamas, watching Netflix when they
• 36:35
  Speaker 15: should be working.
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: But I don't know.
• 36:37
  Speaker 15: Why anybody would want to go into business right now
• 36:39
  Speaker 15: in this country. You've got now work from home laws
• 36:42
  Speaker 15: being implemented in Victoria.
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: Give me a break. You've got ir you've.
• 36:45
  Speaker 15: Got energy costs rising, you've got the unions with their
• 36:48
  Speaker 15: fingers in every pie. A couple of weeks ago, a
• 36:50
  Speaker 15: bloke is sacked in Perth because he misgendered his coworker.
• 36:55
  Speaker 15: I mean, it's just absolutely bizarre. I don't know why
• 36:58
  Speaker 15: you would want to go into business. I feel for
• 37:00
  Speaker 15: employers right now, but it takes a lot of trust
• 37:03
  Speaker 15: and I'm not sure how many people are actually really
• 37:06
  Speaker 15: doing what you do.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Andrew, I think that's true. I think it's odd that
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: the Victorian government says are cadiven make public servants obey
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: the only two days a week working from home rule,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: and yet it wants to legislate this right, so called
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: right for all workplaces. I mean, it's just quite extraordinary
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: to me, Will Kingston and Niki to Georgia, thank you
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: very much to you both. After the break, the author
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: of an explosive biography of Prince Andrew turns out that
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: the Prince's sex scandals are not the worst of a
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: man who has now disgraced the royal family. Prince Andrew
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  Speaker 2: has just had a biography written about him that makes
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  Speaker 2: him look even worse than you imagined, if that were
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  Speaker 2: possible for the disgrace royal now banned from the Royal roles.
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  Speaker 2: It's called then titled The Rise and Fall of the
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  Speaker 2: House of York and will be published on Thursday. Let
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  Speaker 2: me quote from the foreword. It says it is a
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  Speaker 2: tale of childhood trauma, infidelity, lust, betrayal, corruption, greed, extravagance, arrogance, entitlement, establishment,
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  Speaker 2: cover up and hubris. Well, the extract so far sounds
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  Speaker 2: so salacious. You know that Andrew lost his virginity at eleven,
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  Speaker 2: that he slept with more than a thousand women, that
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  Speaker 2: he treated staff like dirt. I won't tell you what
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  Speaker 2: he's revealed to be having his staff having to pick
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  Speaker 2: up for him. And of course it goes over the
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  Speaker 2: Epstein scandal. How Andrew slept with a seventy year old
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  Speaker 2: girl procured for him by the pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, who
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  Speaker 2: Andrew clipped contact with for longer and later than he
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  Speaker 2: actually claimed. But if you think yeah, yeah, yeah, this
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  Speaker 2: is just another pop boiler written from newspaper clippings, you
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  Speaker 2: are wrong. The author is Andrew Lowney. His author a
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  Speaker 2: horrifically researched number of books, like his biography of the
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  Speaker 2: Russian spy English traitors Guy Burgess as Stalin's Englishman, highly
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  Speaker 2: recommended another he did on the traitor King, the Duke
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  Speaker 2: of Windsor In the names in this latest book, and
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  Speaker 2: Andrew many of the more than three hundred people he interviewed,
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  Speaker 2: including former friends and lovers and people who knew Andrew
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  Speaker 2: in the army and in business and in government. And
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  Speaker 2: the sex scandals, it turns out, are not the worst
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  Speaker 2: of it. Johin Me from London is Andrew Lowney. Andrew Lanney.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time and may I
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  Speaker 2: congratulate you on the book. Let me start with this.
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  Speaker 2: The book's title is says The Rise and Fall, the
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  Speaker 2: Rise and Fall of the House of York. The rise,
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  Speaker 2: apparently is assumed peaking when Andrew was twenty seven. A
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  Speaker 2: genuine war hero, the favorite and handsome child of the Queen,
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  Speaker 2: a man who came back from serving in the Falklands War.
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  Speaker 2: The media loved him then. But how did it all
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  Speaker 2: go so wrong? What's wrong with this man?
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  Speaker 16: Well, it's a good question. You're absolutely right. I mean,
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  Speaker 16: he was the blue eyed boy. I mean, he was
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  Speaker 16: put up as the poster boy for the royal family,
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  Speaker 16: known as his royal heart throb, the man with the
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  Speaker 16: Robert Redford looks, and he himself believed that Charles might
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  Speaker 16: have to step down because of his marketable problems, and
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  Speaker 16: he would become regent.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, we.
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  Speaker 16: Can't take away from him his service in the Falklands
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  Speaker 16: and which he did his duty. But I think, you know,
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  Speaker 16: there were character flaws that people recognized even as a
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  Speaker 16: young boy, that he was naive. He was pompous, arrogant,
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  Speaker 16: entitled and spoiled and really knew no boundaries, and no
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  Speaker 16: one tried to police those boundaries. He was the part
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  Speaker 16: of the Queen's second family, whereas Charles had had a
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  Speaker 16: pretty tough time with his parents and actually there hadn't
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  Speaker 16: been really there for him the Queen doted on Andrew,
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  Speaker 16: who made her laugh. He was very boisterous and rather naughty,
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  Speaker 16: and I think he's just been allowed all the way
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  Speaker 16: through to carry on like that. I mean, it's a
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  Speaker 16: shame in some ways that the headlines have been about
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  Speaker 16: the sort of sex life and things, because actually there's
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  Speaker 16: a much more important story here, and that is financial
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  Speaker 16: corruption at the heart of the royal family. The real
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  Speaker 16: story here is how he and his ex wife Sarah
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  Speaker 16: Ferguson have leveraged their royal position for their own personal
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  Speaker 16: financial gain, and I try and delineate that in the book. It's,
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  Speaker 16: as you say, all carefully sourced. I mean, what amazed
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  Speaker 16: me was that senior diplomats, naval officers and others were
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  Speaker 16: prepared to talk to me, even on the record. And
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  Speaker 16: I think that's partly because, as you say, I'm not
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  Speaker 16: at rath Store, and really I'm a biographer who swaps subjects,
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  Speaker 16: and I hope that they feel like I try and
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  Speaker 16: be fair and balanced and do my research. But I
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  Speaker 16: think they were also so shocked by what he'd been
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  Speaker 16: up to and that he'd been able to get away
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  Speaker 16: with it. Because one of those striking things that struck
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  Speaker 16: me was that the Queen basically protected him. Every time
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  Speaker 16: he did something wrong was caught out, she'd give him
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  Speaker 16: another honor and sat with him going to church. And
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  Speaker 16: I have repeated instances of complaints been made to the
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  Speaker 16: raw household and the Queen basically shutting them down.
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  Speaker 2: You look, let me focus on that. You go particularly
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  Speaker 2: to his time working as a Special Trade Envoy for Britain.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not just that, where he was supposedly drumming
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  Speaker 2: up business for Britain, flying around the world and taxpayers expense,
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  Speaker 2: seemingly enriching himself on the public purse. I mean he
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  Speaker 2: even managed to buy himself a massive ski shall at
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  Speaker 2: How much money are we talking about and how on
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  Speaker 2: earth did he get it all?
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  Speaker 16: Well, we don't know how much money we're talking about
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  Speaker 16: because role finances are so opake and there's very little
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  Speaker 16: scrutiny of them, and we don't know entirely who was
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  Speaker 16: on these trips because the government refused to reveal any
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  Speaker 16: of the files relating to his time as Special Trade
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  Speaker 16: Envoy from two thousand and one to twenty eleven. Now these,
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  Speaker 16: some of these files should be in the National Archives
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  Speaker 16: under the public Records Act and for four years they've
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  Speaker 16: I've had a merry dance with them. They've used every
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  Speaker 16: exemption possible to avoid releasing this. But I do know
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  Speaker 16: from talking to diplomats that he was bringing his daughters
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  Speaker 16: on these trips with all the attendant security costs for them.
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  Speaker 16: He was bringing Epstein, he was bringing his business partners
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  Speaker 16: David and Jonathan Rowlands, and who knows else. And I
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  Speaker 16: know also from stuff I've seen that he was shoehorning
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  Speaker 16: in meetings on behalf of the Rowlands, for example, in China,
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  Speaker 16: which had nothing to do with promoting British trade and
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  Speaker 16: everything to do with promoting his own business interests. He
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  Speaker 16: didn't stay often in the residence of the ambassador. He
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  Speaker 16: preferred to go to hotels where he was freer to
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  Speaker 16: conduct his business. Though many ambassadors talk of him asking
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  Speaker 16: to see particular people for them to arrange him to
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  Speaker 16: see people who they felt were not suitable people for
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  Speaker 16: anyone to see because of their financial history. But it
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  Speaker 16: wasn't just as trade end for He then also ran
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  Speaker 16: a charity called Pitch at the Palace, which was hosted
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  Speaker 16: in Bucking Palace. The Queen would come and introduce it
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  Speaker 16: Gernadier guards would play. But what he hadn't said was
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  Speaker 16: that he'd set up a side company called Pitch at
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  Speaker 16: Palace Global, where he took a two percent cut of
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  Speaker 16: all the investor income that was raised for the entrepreneurs
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  Speaker 16: as a sort of fee. And we have various numerous
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  Speaker 16: instances in the book of him taking a cut commission
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  Speaker 16: for introducing business, for example a famous case with the
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  Speaker 16: Greek water company in Kazakhstan, so again nothing to do
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  Speaker 16: with in which he didn't actually happen in the end,
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  Speaker 16: but he would have got three point eighty five million pounds.
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  Speaker 16: And then we have all the court cases, and that's
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  Speaker 16: one of the great sources, often not reported by the media,
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  Speaker 16: but there's a famous case in twenty twenty two a
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  Speaker 16: man called Selman Turk, who had won Pitch at the
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  Speaker 16: Palace was sued by a Turkish millionairess and in the
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  Speaker 16: course of that case it was revealed that Andrew beIN
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  Speaker 16: paid seven hundred and fifty thousand pounds, his ex wife
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  Speaker 16: Sarah focus On two hundred and fifty thousand pounds, and
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  Speaker 16: one of the daughter's twenty five thousand pounds. And they
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  Speaker 16: couldn't quite explain where this money came from. So there
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  Speaker 16: are a lot of big questions. I think what I
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  Speaker 16: found is only the tip of the iceberg, and I'm
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  Speaker 16: hoping that the more material will emerge. But he's certainly
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  Speaker 16: not a poor man. He inherited money under trust funds
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  Speaker 16: from his grandmother. I'm sure the Queen made sure he
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  Speaker 16: was okay. But he spends. You know, he's got a
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  Speaker 16: huge thirty room house, he's got extensive star He drives
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  Speaker 16: expensive cars, he likes expensive watchers, he travels by private jet.
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  Speaker 16: He wants to play with the big boys and the
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  Speaker 16: jet set, and that costs money.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you mentioned all his outgoings and you
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  Speaker 2: list them even more than them, the ones you've listed
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  Speaker 2: there in the book, you then have to ask where
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  Speaker 2: is the money coming from? I mean, that's the extraordinary
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  Speaker 2: thing here. But look to the six that's got most
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  Speaker 2: of the headlines. You say that Prince Lost's Virginia eleven
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  Speaker 2: slept with several women, including prostitutes by thirteen. I think
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  Speaker 2: it was and I mean all this sounds like child abuse.
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  Speaker 2: But more than that, it must have affected him, or
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  Speaker 2: maybe it fed something that was wrong in him. I
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  Speaker 2: do not know.
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  Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean I thought very carefully about the material
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  Speaker 16: about the virginity. It came to me from a very
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  Speaker 16: trusted source, very close to Andrew, and I also interviewed
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  Speaker 16: some of his contemporaries as prep school how they done,
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  Speaker 16: who who had similar sorts of stories. But it's very
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  Speaker 16: similar to when I did my book on mart Baton
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  Speaker 16: Maunt Batten, who was later I mean, I think it's
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  Speaker 16: pretty clear now was a pedophile, had been abused as
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  Speaker 16: a child, and I think this kind of explains a
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  Speaker 16: little bit of of Andrew's sex addiction, his inability to
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  Speaker 16: form relationships with women, the need for constant gratification, which
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  Speaker 16: he shared with Epstein. Uh. And so it seemed to
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  Speaker 16: be as a biographer, this was important to put this
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  Speaker 16: out there. And in fact, people have come to me
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  Speaker 16: since saying that there were strange things going on at Heatherdown.
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  Speaker 16: But you know, you know, I do feel sorry for him.
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  Speaker 16: He is a lonely, rather tragic figure who has not
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  Speaker 16: always been well advised, has not always made very sensible decisions,
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  Speaker 16: and you know, it has been hubrious really to his position,
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  Speaker 16: you know, from this blue eyed boy to this basically
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  Speaker 16: disgraced retired man who can hardly leave his own home, and.
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  Speaker 2: As you say, married someone probably about as greedy as
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  Speaker 2: he was, and Sarah Ferguson hardly seemed to have been
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  Speaker 2: a break on their worst excesses.
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  Speaker 16: I think that's absolutely right. You know, I think if
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  Speaker 16: you had married couch Stark, who he wanted to the
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  Speaker 16: actress who had a rather racy film career, if that
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  Speaker 16: had happened, I think it would be a different story.
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  Speaker 16: But one of the reasons he was so in hock
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  Speaker 16: to Epstein was Hepstein was paying a lot of Sarah
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  Speaker 16: Ferguson's bills, and you know.
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  Speaker 2: There you get to it money and sex, money and sex.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Lanney, it always seems to come down to those,
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  Speaker 2: and I think you're right to go into the sex
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  Speaker 2: bid if that's a major driver. Andrew Lannie, great book,
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time. That's it from me.
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  Speaker 2: Coming up next is Sherry Marxon. Good night,