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Murder In Moscow: Kristi Goncalves And Her Interview With News Nation · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: Everyone, and welcome back to the program. Kaylee Gonsalves' mom
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  Speaker 1: recently sat down with News Nation and granted them an interview.
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  Speaker 1: So on today's episode, that's what we're going to be
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  Speaker 1: talking about. And to do that, we have an article
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  Speaker 1: from the U.S. Sun. And the headline, A year on,
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  Speaker 1: Idaho murder victim Kaylee Gonsalves' mom breaks down in tears
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  Speaker 1: and calls for death penalty for suspect Brian Koberger. Well,
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  Speaker 1: do you blame her? If it was my son, my daughter,
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  Speaker 1: my loved one, I'd be calling for the death penalty too.
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  Speaker 1: And I'd be calling for it from every single rooftop. Oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't you worry about the integrity of the case? Well, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not. It's not like you have the prosecutor out
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  Speaker 1: here saying this stuff. You have a grieving parent who
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  Speaker 1: is expressing how they feel. And by the way, if
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  Speaker 1: you go and look at the amended non-dissemination order, Christy
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  Speaker 1: Gonsalves And Steve Gonsalves and all the other family members,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, are well within their rights to talk
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  Speaker 1: about whatever it is they want to talk about. The
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  Speaker 1: gag order does not apply to them. It does, however,
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  Speaker 1: apply to their lawyer, Shannon Gray. This article was authored
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  Speaker 1: by Forrest McFarlane. The mother of Idaho murder victim, Kaylee Gonsalves,
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  Speaker 1: has broken down in tears as a tragic reminder of
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  Speaker 1: her daughter's death approaches. Christy Gonsalves pleaded for suspect Brian
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  Speaker 1: Koberger to be sentenced to death if found guilty nearly
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  Speaker 1: one year after the four students were found fatally stabbed
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  Speaker 1: in a Moscow home. And again, look, what sort of
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  Speaker 1: parent wouldn't be calling for the death penalty? Unless, of course, you're,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Ethan Chapin's parents who are a different kind
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  Speaker 1: of breed. I know that most people I know, hell,
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  Speaker 1: I'd say the vast majority of people that I know personally,
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  Speaker 1: would be calling for the death penalty. And under most circumstances,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really a fan of the death penalty. But
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  Speaker 1: when you have an egregious case such as this, and
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  Speaker 1: there was such brutality shown, what else are you supposed
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  Speaker 1: to do? If the death penalty is on the books
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  Speaker 1: in Idaho, then the death penalty has to be applied, right?
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  Speaker 1: Whatever the harshest penalty in the state is, that's what
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  Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger deserves if he's guilty. On November 13th, 2022...
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  Speaker 1: Police discovered the bodies of Kaylee and her best friend
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  Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, both 22, as well as Zanna Kernodle and
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  Speaker 1: her boyfriend Ethan Chapin, both 21, in the off-campus house
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  Speaker 1: where the three women were living. The victims, who were
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  Speaker 1: all students at the University of Idaho, had been brutally
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  Speaker 1: slaughtered with a military-grade knife after a shadowy figure broke
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  Speaker 1: in late that night. two surviving roommates said. Six weeks later,
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  Speaker 1: officials announced the arrest of Brian Kohlberger, a 28-year-old criminology
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  Speaker 1: graduate student at nearby Washington State University. Prosecutors say there
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  Speaker 1: was DNA on a knife sheath recovered from the scene
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  Speaker 1: that was near a perfect match to his, but he
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  Speaker 1: has pleaded not guilty. And there's zero doubt that a
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  Speaker 1: guy like Brian Kohlberger plans to take this all the
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  Speaker 1: way to the nines. I've said from the beginning that
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  Speaker 1: that the reason that the attack happened so close to
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  Speaker 1: the holidays was for maximum impact. He wanted to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that not only was this something that affected the
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  Speaker 1: family members moving forward, but to maximize that effect, it
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  Speaker 1: was done right around the holidays. And if my speculation
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  Speaker 1: is correct, it just shows you how evil this dude is. Now,
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  Speaker 1: of course, that still has to be proven in court,
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  Speaker 1: but it certainly looks like that's what occurred. And unless
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger's team can come up with some kind of
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  Speaker 1: Alternative scenario, they're in big trouble here. Kohlberger's been charged
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  Speaker 1: with four counts of murder and could face the death
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  Speaker 1: penalty if he's found guilty. Speaking with News Nation, Kaylee's mom,
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  Speaker 1: Christy Gonsalves, made an emotional plea for prosecutors to keep
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  Speaker 1: seeking the maximum penalty against the man who allegedly stole
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  Speaker 1: her daughter's life. It's just so real sometimes, and it's
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  Speaker 1: just the worst that somebody could do this to somebody's family.
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  Speaker 1: So many families, she said. fighting tears while her husband
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  Speaker 1: rubbed her shoulders, and I'm pretty sure that Mr. Gonsalves
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  Speaker 1: would gladly hand out this punishment himself. Save the state
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  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of money, save the state a whole
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  Speaker 1: bunch of time, convict Brian Koberger, and then just hand
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  Speaker 1: them over to the Gonsalves family and let them handle
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  Speaker 1: their business. We'll see how much of a tough guy
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger is then, because only a coward sneaks into
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  Speaker 1: somebody's house and attacks them while they're sleeping. the mom
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  Speaker 1: and dad brought up other murder cases where a killer
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  Speaker 1: would get a life sentence and enjoy special treatment in
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  Speaker 1: prison by other inmates. There's no doubt that some of
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  Speaker 1: these people who end up in prison for this kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing, they attain, like, superstar status. Whole bunch of emails,
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  Speaker 1: whole bunch of women fawning over them. It becomes a
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  Speaker 1: whole-ass circus sideshow. I mean, you have people like Ed
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  Speaker 1: Kemper who were in prison for heinous crimes, and he
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  Speaker 1: ends up being... A narrator for books while he's in prison? Really?
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  Speaker 1: You're going to have Ed Kemper narrate Star Wars books?
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  Speaker 1: That sounds like a great idea. Said nobody ever. So
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  Speaker 1: if you're found guilty of heinous crimes like Brian Koberger
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  Speaker 1: allegedly committed and the death penalties on the books in
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  Speaker 1: your state, you should probably be getting the death penalty, no?
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  Speaker 1: It would seem to me that that would be the
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  Speaker 1: rational way to go about it. They fear that if Koberger,
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  Speaker 1: if he's found guilty, could be admired for his intelligence.
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  Speaker 1: We don't want that, the mom said. Well, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know about how intelligent he is if he got caught.
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  Speaker 1: And if we're being honest, we have killers out there,
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  Speaker 1: serial killers, with an IQ of about 10 who have
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  Speaker 1: went years without getting captured. Then you got Brian Koberger
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  Speaker 1: over here who gets nailed after his first murder, allegedly.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know how smart I would say that
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  Speaker 1: the guy is. Maybe book smart, but not smart enough
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  Speaker 1: to carry that over and commit crimes correctly. And you
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  Speaker 1: know what the evidence for that is? The evidence for
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  Speaker 1: that is his bitch ass sitting in a jail cell.
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  Speaker 1: The killing has left Christy so heartbroken that she said
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  Speaker 1: she can't even bring herself to go into her daughter's
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  Speaker 1: old bedroom. I've only been up to Kaylee's room twice
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  Speaker 1: and neither time was for any amount of time, she said.
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  Speaker 1: It was like in and out. It has to bring
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  Speaker 1: up all kinds of memories, right? You go into your
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  Speaker 1: daughter's room, your son's room. after they've been brutally murdered
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  Speaker 1: and everything is exactly the way that they left it,
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  Speaker 1: it has to be very eerie. And I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if I'd be able to go in that room either,
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  Speaker 1: to be honest with you. Grueling process. The Gonsalves family
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  Speaker 1: is anxious for justice after the judge announced that Brian's trial,
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  Speaker 1: which was supposed to begin on October 2nd, would be
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  Speaker 1: pushed back indefinitely. Prosecutors requested the delay in the trial
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  Speaker 1: to give themselves time to create 3D models of the
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  Speaker 1: crime scene, according to a statement from the university. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it was more like Brian Kohlberger's team requested this stay
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  Speaker 1: in proceedings, didn't get it, and then waived the right
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  Speaker 1: to a speedy trial. So let's just clear that up
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  Speaker 1: real quick. Had nothing to do with the prosecutors, although
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  Speaker 1: they agreed with the defense, saying that it's going to
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  Speaker 1: take them more time and they understand why. But it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't like the prosecutors were pushing for a delay. FBI
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  Speaker 1: investigators revisited the Moscow house on October 31st and November
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  Speaker 1: 1st to conduct further investigations. Kaylee's mourning family said the
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  Speaker 1: slow court process has been brutal, but hopes the prosecution
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  Speaker 1: is getting all the evidence that they need. And I
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  Speaker 1: think they are. As slow as the process is, as
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  Speaker 1: slow as it all seems to be, the wheels of
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  Speaker 1: justice grind slowly. We all know that. And when you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about a capital punishment case, forget it. it's knocked
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  Speaker 1: into a different realm. So the prosecution has to make
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  Speaker 1: sure they're completely buttoned up. They were actually part of
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  Speaker 1: the reason why the home wasn't bulldozed down by the
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  Speaker 1: university officials who considered removing the off-campus blight. The family
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  Speaker 1: felt that it could be a source of evidence in
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  Speaker 1: the future and were vindicated once the modeling process began.
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  Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of people out there
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  Speaker 1: that had a lot of criticism of the Gonsalves family
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  Speaker 1: throughout this process, who probably owes them an apology. They
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  Speaker 1: won't get it, of course, because, you know, people have
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  Speaker 1: to drive clicks to their stupid-ass content because the content
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  Speaker 1: can't stand on its own. So, of course, they have
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  Speaker 1: to fire off all kinds of salacious bullshit talking about
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  Speaker 1: how Mr. Gonsalves might even be a suspect. Remember that nonsense?
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  Speaker 1: I forget the dude, one of the analysts that was
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  Speaker 1: on TV in the beginning was talking like that, some
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  Speaker 1: ex-FBI agent. You want to talk about terrible takes? Well,
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  Speaker 1: there's one. I knew in my heart what was best
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  Speaker 1: for those girls. I knew it was to keep that
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  Speaker 1: around until they did more, Kaylee's father Steve said. There
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  Speaker 1: will be a point when I'll let it go, and
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  Speaker 1: I agree with that. After the trial, after all of
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  Speaker 1: the evidence is in, after there's a conviction, not before.
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  Speaker 1: Now they say it will be very emotional when the
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  Speaker 1: home is demolished as they hold on the positive memories
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  Speaker 1: of Kaylee's life before that dark day. We have pictures
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  Speaker 1: of them in the house. My daughter had a happy
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  Speaker 1: life there, Christie said. When that house goes, it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be hard. I don't want to go in. I've
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  Speaker 1: never even been to the house. I've never drove by it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to. University officials confirmed that the home
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  Speaker 1: will not be torn down this semester, even after the
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  Speaker 1: defense and prosecution both voted to demolish it. Trial Proceeds
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  Speaker 1: Brian's team scored major court victory last month when the
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  Speaker 1: judge told the prosecution that They had until December 1st
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  Speaker 1: to turn over DNA evidence linking him to the crime. Well,
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  Speaker 1: just to clarify, once again, the order was to have
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  Speaker 1: the information turned over to the judge. We don't know
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  Speaker 1: what the defense is going to get yet. That has
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  Speaker 1: not been determined by Judge Judge. The only determination he's
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  Speaker 1: made is that he is entitled to take a look
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  Speaker 1: at all of this and then he'll render his decision
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  Speaker 1: from there. Prosecutors say they were able to identify him
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  Speaker 1: as the subject through genetic genealogy, which uses databases like Ancestry.com
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  Speaker 1: and 23andMe to gain genetic information. However, in court filings,
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  Speaker 1: the defense has voiced suspicion about their methods and plans
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  Speaker 1: to dispute them when the trial begins. Good luck doing that.
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  Speaker 1: Especially considering they're going to get this information, and then
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  Speaker 1: once they get it, they're going to realize they can't
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  Speaker 1: do much with it. Investigators say Koberger allegedly visited the
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  Speaker 1: home 12 different times leading up to the murders and
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  Speaker 1: had tried to message some of the victims on social media.
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  Speaker 1: In an arrest warrant, the detective said he has also
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  Speaker 1: allegedly had his phone turned off during the hours the
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  Speaker 1: crime is believed to have taken place. In May, a
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  Speaker 1: not guilty plea was entered on Koberger's behalf and the
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  Speaker 1: motive behind the crime, if any, remains a mystery. As
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  Speaker 1: far as motive goes, I think it's pretty simple, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: I think Kohlberger saw Madison working over at the Mad
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  Speaker 1: Greek and from there began stalking her. And one thing
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  Speaker 1: led to another, and then it all boiled over on
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  Speaker 1: the morning of November 13th. That's what I think happened.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's the motivation. He became fascinated with her
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  Speaker 1: for whatever reason. And as he continued to spiral, this
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  Speaker 1: was the end result when that journey was completed. So
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  Speaker 1: for me, that's the most logical motive here. The fact
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  Speaker 1: that he was infatuated or whatever with Madison. He went
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  Speaker 1: to that home that night thinking that it was just
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  Speaker 1: going to be Madison in that bed. But instead he
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  Speaker 1: found Kaylee there too. So it threw his plans into chaos.
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  Speaker 1: That's why we saw the overkill with Kaylee. And then,
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  Speaker 1: stumbling out of that room, he happened to run into XANA.
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  Speaker 1: And from there, he had to kill her and Ethan, right?
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  Speaker 1: To get out of Dodge. So, I'm guessing, and again,
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  Speaker 1: just my speculation, that that's how it went down. But obviously,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to learn a lot more as the trial approaches.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, once the trial kicks off in earnest.
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  Speaker 1: And like usual, we're going to be here every step
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  Speaker 1: of the way. All right, folks, that's going to do
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  Speaker 1: it for this one. All of the information that goes
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