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One Piece, 927 & 928 · Spoil Me! One Piece

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  Speaker 1: This is an unspoiled network podcast. This is Spoil Me,
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  Speaker 1: covering One Piece, episodes 927 and 928. Pandemonium, the monster
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  Speaker 1: snake Shogun Orochi, and The Flower Falls, the final moment
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  Speaker 1: of the most beautiful woman in the land of Wano.
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  Speaker 1: In these episodes, well, she's still a badass, and I
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  Speaker 1: still love her. I hope she's not really dead. That's
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  Speaker 1: pretty much all I gotta say about that. Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: Spoil Me. Welcome to the show, everyone. I am Natasha.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very, very much to the One Piece crew
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  Speaker 1: for commissioning this episode. I am very appreciative because I
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  Speaker 1: have to move things around so often. Apologies, everybody, about it,
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  Speaker 1: but they are very willing to work with me and
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  Speaker 1: be flexible, which is hugely appreciated. I just wanted to
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  Speaker 1: mention at the start of the recording that I fractured
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  Speaker 1: my wrist over the weekend and I am in a cast. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm in a splint and it is in such a
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  Speaker 1: place that I can't really rest my arm for very
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  Speaker 1: long without it starting to like hurt or go numb.
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  Speaker 1: So if you hear me shifting around a lot, apologies,
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  Speaker 1: if it's distracting, I'm going to be moving and, and,
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  Speaker 1: you know, changing the positioning of my arm and of
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  Speaker 1: this like cushion that I've got here for it. So,
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  Speaker 1: I just wanted to mention since sometimes I will think
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  Speaker 1: that you guys can't hear something and then I go
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  Speaker 1: and edit later and I'm like, oh, that was loud, actually.
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  Speaker 1: So if you hear that, that's what's going on. So
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  Speaker 1: this first episode, the monster snake Shogun Orochi, I just
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  Speaker 1: want to make sure we knew already that he could
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  Speaker 1: turn into this Hydra, right? Because I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: there's a feel to it when he does it here
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  Speaker 1: that there are people in the room who seemed to
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  Speaker 1: not know. Or maybe it's just that they had not
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  Speaker 1: seen it in action before. But I feel like we
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  Speaker 1: had a scene where he's like threatening somebody and he
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  Speaker 1: turns into the Hydra. And then I believe Seraphim said
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  Speaker 1: that there was a connection between his name and and
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  Speaker 1: the name for the Hydra in mythology, in Japanese mythology.
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  Speaker 1: This couple of episodes are really strange, actually, in a
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  Speaker 1: certain way. So, I'm going to talk about Komurasaki out
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  Speaker 1: of the gate, because, of course, this bitch just is
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  Speaker 1: ten toes down for the right thing in these two episodes.
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  Speaker 1: And I just have hella respect for that. She is
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  Speaker 1: not about to kowtow to this fucking jerk just because
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't like feeling like a fool or being made
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  Speaker 1: fun of. And I love the fact that even when
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  Speaker 1: he's like, I was going to make you my wife.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, okay, so what? Apparently, you want a wife
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  Speaker 1: with like no spine or personality. And that's not me.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess if you want to destroy me, you're
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  Speaker 1: doing the right thing. And I really thought that if
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  Speaker 1: he said like, I was going to marry you, there
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  Speaker 1: might be some kind of moment of hesitation for her.
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  Speaker 1: But if anything, it's like it annoys her more that
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  Speaker 1: he's trying to hold that over her head, which I
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  Speaker 1: found really, really fun. And It's almost like her being like,
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  Speaker 1: I have lost such respect for you that I have
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  Speaker 1: slapped you. And you think telling me that now you
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  Speaker 1: won't marry me is really like a hurtful thing for me.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to marry you particularly. You suck. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you caught it, but you like I
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  Speaker 1: how am I supposed to be? married to a guy
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  Speaker 1: who I know is an asshole in this very particular
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  Speaker 1: embarrassing way. Um, and the fact that what, what happens
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  Speaker 1: is that he actually is like fully believing this legend
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  Speaker 1: about how the ghosts are going to come back. And, um,
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  Speaker 1: take back the throne for the Kuzuki family. And what's
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  Speaker 1: sort of surprising to me is that everybody else in
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  Speaker 1: the room really seems to think that this is like
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  Speaker 1: bonkers and they're trying not to laugh. I am used
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  Speaker 1: to people in One Piece being really So I think
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  Speaker 1: that that was like just part of the problem for
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  Speaker 1: me was it doesn't really ring true that nobody is
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  Speaker 1: buying into this story, like that he's the only one.
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  Speaker 1: The way that people operate around here, we've seen it,
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  Speaker 1: and they would absolutely be buying into this story. Not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily everybody, but I think plenty of people would. And
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  Speaker 1: it seemed like the room is very united in just
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  Speaker 1: trying not to laugh at him. Which, what we then
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  Speaker 1: get is Otoko unable to contain her laughter. Now, I
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  Speaker 1: just want to be clear that I am obviously on
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  Speaker 1: Kimura Saki's side. that going after a child because that
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  Speaker 1: child laughed at you is some bitch shit. But I
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  Speaker 1: also have to be clear that I find Otoku so
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  Speaker 1: fucking irritating. She's just got a weird face that creeps
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  Speaker 1: me out. Her laugh is obnoxious. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of a purposeful choice on the part of
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  Speaker 1: the voice actor, But the laugh, it's supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: that she just like can't control herself. And so she
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  Speaker 1: can't stop laughing, even though she knows she shouldn't be laughing.
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  Speaker 1: But it doesn't feel at all like genuine laughter. And
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  Speaker 1: there are times where the voice actors, like, there are
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  Speaker 1: times where it being a forced laugh or something that
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  Speaker 1: just sounds unnatural, still kind of works within the scene.
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  Speaker 1: Or it's part of the character thing is that they're
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  Speaker 1: Laughing sarcastically or kind of forcing it in the moment
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. But this for me kind of felt like
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  Speaker 1: a scene where we want that laughter to seem much
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  Speaker 1: more out of control and genuine. And it doesn't feel
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  Speaker 1: that way. And especially because she has such a strange face.
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  Speaker 1: There's something so doll-like about her face that that when
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  Speaker 1: she starts laughing and doesn't stop, it's like somebody pulled
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  Speaker 1: the cord of, you know, an automated doll that had
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  Speaker 1: like a speaker inside and it just won't stop. And
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  Speaker 1: it like, I just found myself low key. Again, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not actually endorsing violence against children, but I found myself
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  Speaker 1: kind of being like, somebody shut that kid up. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to hear it anymore. And thus, I have
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  Speaker 1: to be very purposeful about saying that I am on
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  Speaker 1: Komurasaki's side and she's doing the right thing and I
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  Speaker 1: recognize that. But for very other reasons than ego, a
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  Speaker 1: part of me was like, okay, yeah, Shogun, get her.
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  Speaker 1: Because I just am tired of of this weird little child.
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  Speaker 1: It's also very funny that Kimura Saki is apparently very
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  Speaker 1: attached to Toko. Like there seems to be a real
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  Speaker 1: little sister kind of relationship there. And Kimura Saki does
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  Speaker 1: not strike me as somebody who would be like a
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  Speaker 1: very patient person in general, but there seems to be
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  Speaker 1: an exception for Toko. Like she, she really is able to,
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  Speaker 1: to give her grace and hand, like, you know, Toko
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  Speaker 1: is late to accompany her a few episodes ago when
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  Speaker 1: she's like on her walk to the palace and Komura-san
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  Speaker 1: is very much like, oh, I'm glad you're here. I
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  Speaker 1: wondered what was going on. And she doesn't yell at
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  Speaker 1: her and she's not angry or throwing attitude or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that, which considering how haughty she is so much
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  Speaker 1: of the time was unexpected. And even here where, plenty
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  Speaker 1: of people would simply be pissed at Toko. They would
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  Speaker 1: just be like, I want to defend you, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: you shouldn't have laughed. It's a very obvious thing. And
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  Speaker 1: I can do only so much. You couldn't control yourself.
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  Speaker 1: And so the consequences are going to fall on you.
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  Speaker 1: And there's nothing that I can do about that. And
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  Speaker 1: there would be a lot of folks, maybe including myself,
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  Speaker 1: who would be like, that's the way it happens, kid. Like,
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  Speaker 1: Sorry about it, but, you know, and instead she's just
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  Speaker 1: so fully like, this is a literal child. Are you,
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  Speaker 1: are you serious? And not holding Toko responsible in a
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  Speaker 1: way that feels almost like I got held responsible too
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  Speaker 1: much when I was younger. I was treated like a
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  Speaker 1: little adult and it was not fair and it was
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  Speaker 1: fucked up and I am not going to do that.
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  Speaker 1: to this child because it's just not a reasonable thing
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  Speaker 1: to expect. I am very much pulling this out of
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  Speaker 1: my ass. As we know, this is something that I do.
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  Speaker 1: So if it turns out that's not what's going on
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  Speaker 1: here at all, then, you know, fine. But the fact
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  Speaker 1: that she is just very willing to take the hit, literally,
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  Speaker 1: I respect the shit out of because I, Honestly, I
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  Speaker 1: kind of expected the Shogun to back down maybe, but
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  Speaker 1: I also recognize that the way that he has been disrespected,
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  Speaker 1: it's not just that she stands up to him and
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  Speaker 1: she's like, what the fuck? She literally slaps him. That's
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  Speaker 1: a tough thing to recover from. Like, R.E., your reputation
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  Speaker 1: and the way that other people see you. I don't
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  Speaker 1: really know how you get past this and retain the
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  Speaker 1: respect of the other people in the room who were
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  Speaker 1: here to see this. I understand that there are other
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  Speaker 1: people here who don't want him to go after Toko
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  Speaker 1: because she's a child. And so they, in principle, want
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  Speaker 1: him to do what she's telling him to do. However,
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  Speaker 1: even if you agree with what she's telling him, the
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  Speaker 1: fact that she slapped him is still going to lower
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  Speaker 1: your opinion of him as a leader. There's kind of
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  Speaker 1: no avoiding that to a degree. He has embarrassed himself
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  Speaker 1: by caring so much what a child thinks of him
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  Speaker 1: and then gets slapped by a woman who who will
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  Speaker 1: not back down despite the amount of power he holds.
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  Speaker 1: It's just there's not recovery here that is complete that
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  Speaker 1: I can think of. No matter what he does, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like he just looks like an asshole and there's
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  Speaker 1: no avoiding it. So he decides that the way he's
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  Speaker 1: going to handle this, I say decides, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: a very... it feels very impulsive what winds up happening here.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know that decide is really the right
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  Speaker 1: word because the implication is that he transforms, excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: he transforms into the Hydra because he loses his temper.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that she slapped him won't back down, won't apologize.
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  Speaker 1: He kind of loses it and transforms into, And not,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, I think a combo of losing his temper
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  Speaker 1: and also doing what he can in the moment to
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  Speaker 1: seem as intimidating as possible because he's just trying to
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  Speaker 1: scare her into behaving. So when he transforms into this
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  Speaker 1: Hydra and she's still like, there is an expression on
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  Speaker 1: her face of, I won't say that she's unmoved by
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  Speaker 1: him doing this. I will say it is, she isn't
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  Speaker 1: as impressed as I think he wants her to be.
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  Speaker 1: And then he chomps her right across the waist. Like it's,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking the location of all major organs that he
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  Speaker 1: has got clamped in his jaws. Now, Despite this, I
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  Speaker 1: don't really think that he was going to kill her.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody around them is behaving as if he is killing
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  Speaker 1: her or even as if she's already dead, which I
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  Speaker 1: tend to think that she is just going to be
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  Speaker 1: okay in the end because the show doesn't really kill people.
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  Speaker 1: And I... he has her in his jaws it's like
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  Speaker 1: there's a moment where he gets startled because I think
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  Speaker 1: it's Shinobu and Nami and that other guy who fall
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  Speaker 1: through the ceiling and like they crash into him and
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  Speaker 1: so he winds up dropping Komurasaki but then fucking what's
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  Speaker 1: his name these names Kiyoshiro? Is that the one? The slasher?
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  Speaker 1: He steps forward and slashes her across the back. Or
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  Speaker 1: is it the stomach? Either way, it looked like maybe
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  Speaker 1: she was going to be okay. And he delivers what
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  Speaker 1: is obviously intended and what is being interpreted as a
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  Speaker 1: killing blow. And it's funny because Because the way that
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  Speaker 1: the Shogun reacts, I'm trying to remember his name. What
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  Speaker 1: is his name? Orochi. Fuck. Sorry, guys. I'm just so...
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  Speaker 1: Lena says, I honestly believe that she died and then
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  Speaker 1: has a grimace face. Well, that would really suck. And
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  Speaker 1: if it's true, I'll be shocked because they just don't
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  Speaker 1: kill people on this show very often. Usually it's in
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  Speaker 1: flashbacks only, you know, but we shall see. Oh, I
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  Speaker 1: already lost it. How? Oshiro, no, Orochi, Orochi is, I
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  Speaker 1: think was like starting to get a hold of himself
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  Speaker 1: and realizing that he was fucking up. So, When he
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  Speaker 1: decides that he is going to jump in and slash her,
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  Speaker 1: it really feels as if Orochi is like, what the fuck, dude?
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  Speaker 1: You knew I was going to let her go. I
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  Speaker 1: was making a point. And the way that Kyoshiro decides
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  Speaker 1: to play this is... She plated your face. She was
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  Speaker 1: rebelling against you to your face. There are rules. They
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  Speaker 1: are very clear. And what she did was worthy of
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  Speaker 1: a death sentence. And that is that on that. You
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  Speaker 1: can't be flexible and fast and loose with the rules
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  Speaker 1: or you are going to lose people's respect. Which, honestly...
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  Speaker 1: you know, the way I was talking earlier about how
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if his reputation could possibly recover. I
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  Speaker 1: actually kind of agree with that overall assessment by Kiyoshiro,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't believe for a moment that that was
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  Speaker 1: really the motivation behind what he did. Because it's a
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  Speaker 1: weird thing where we get the end of the last,
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  Speaker 1: the end of the first episode in this pair ends
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  Speaker 1: with him basically getting like a violence boner. He's watching
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  Speaker 1: all of this mayhem and talking about like how beautiful
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  Speaker 1: it is to, to see her being killed and has
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  Speaker 1: this wide smile on his face. This is super duper,
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  Speaker 1: not about following rules, protecting reputations, any of that. This
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  Speaker 1: is about a sadist who has spotted a perfect opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to hurt somebody, kill somebody, and excuse it. That's all
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  Speaker 1: it is. And I'm kind of wondering, because I've been
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  Speaker 1: feeling like this dude is... I... and waiting for them
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  Speaker 1: to figure out that he is this serial killer. I'm
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  Speaker 1: wondering if him slashing her in the way that he
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  Speaker 1: did in front of everybody is going to come up
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  Speaker 1: at any point and play into their putting pieces together.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't recall if the way that he slashes
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  Speaker 1: her is particularly distinctive. if there's anything about it that they,
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  Speaker 1: that people could be like, Oh, that's the exact sort
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  Speaker 1: of injury that the serial killer was inflicting too. And
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  Speaker 1: I saw him do like, it does seem like kind
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  Speaker 1: of a generic slash. So I don't know. I might
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  Speaker 1: be wrong about that. I just really want him to
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  Speaker 1: get caught because he has so much power and He's
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  Speaker 1: just such a shit, you know? And the way he's
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  Speaker 1: able to play this here, it's just nonsense. Ugh, gross.
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  Speaker 1: So there's also a paper on her that has that, like,
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  Speaker 1: rebellion symbol. I don't recall if we saw her get
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  Speaker 1: given one of these or not. I don't remember. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like we didn't. But I don't know. I'm like
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  Speaker 1: trying to, I wouldn't, if I were in the Straw
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  Speaker 1: Hats shoes and I were looking for allies, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that I would have tried to bring Kimura Saki
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  Speaker 1: into the fold because she just doesn't seem like she
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  Speaker 1: would be somebody willing to put it all on the
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  Speaker 1: line for right and wrong initially. What we first see
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  Speaker 1: of her, it seems like she's a very self-centered person
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  Speaker 1: who is very driven for her own advantage and gain.
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  Speaker 1: And that's not usually a person who is willing to
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  Speaker 1: take risks. What we see in these episodes is that
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  Speaker 1: evidently she is very much willing to put it on
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  Speaker 1: the line. But I don't know if that's just for
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  Speaker 1: Toko or not. I don't know if this is like,
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  Speaker 1: how she is with all her principles, or if it's
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  Speaker 1: just the affection that she has for this particular child,
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  Speaker 1: that she won't budge. But either way, setting that aside,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, I personally wouldn't have been reaching out
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  Speaker 1: to her. And it does surprise me a little bit
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  Speaker 1: that she is, that she has the paper on her.
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  Speaker 1: And I almost wondered if he planted it or something like, um,
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  Speaker 1: I can't, like, I don't think we see anything to
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  Speaker 1: indicate that. I don't know. But anyway, okay. So there's
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: all kinds of other shit that we have to talk
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  Speaker 1: about as well. We have got the whole thing with mom, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, having forgotten her identity. And it's a really,
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  Speaker 1: I'm so curious about, what it is that is going
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  Speaker 1: to bring her back to herself. Because this can't possibly
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  Speaker 1: last forever. That's just not the nature of this sort
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  Speaker 1: of trope. When somebody was a person who is important
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  Speaker 1: to the overall world building, and they have a memory
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  Speaker 1: thing and lose themselves, it's always restored eventually. And when
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: you think about how this stuff works, like in sitcoms
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  Speaker 1: and stuff, I still remember, I think it was like
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: step-by-step that nineties sitcom, but there's an episode where the,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: like the really dumb dude, Joey, I think his name
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  Speaker 1: was hits his head and becomes a genius. And of course,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: the way that this all works is that when he
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  Speaker 1: gets hit on the head again, he just turns back
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  Speaker 1: into old Joey. We don't exactly see big mom get
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  Speaker 1: hit on the head. It's just like, it seems to
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  Speaker 1: be the overall trauma of the ship crashing and being
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: tossed around. I guess the ship didn't crash. He just
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  Speaker 1: gets knocked off it pretty much. Right. But, uh, I
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: don't know if reminding her verbally in the way that
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: it almost happens here. Like Otama is, uh, just a
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  Speaker 1: syllable away from telling her your name was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they called you big mom and Chopper stops her because
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: he's like, we don't want her to remember. The whole
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  Speaker 1: thing is that she's only harmless right now because she
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: doesn't recall. And if Chopper, You say it, it might
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  Speaker 1: jog her memory and she'll come back to herself and
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  Speaker 1: remember that we're enemies and then she will fucking smash
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  Speaker 1: us like bugs. I think that's fair. We don't know
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  Speaker 1: enough about how this all works to really say that
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  Speaker 1: she couldn't be brought back to herself by just the
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  Speaker 1: mention of her name. So... I think that his paranoia,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: if you even want to call it that, because I
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  Speaker 1: think he's right, so I don't even want to say paranoia,
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  Speaker 1: but what he tells her, because she's like, what is
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  Speaker 1: my name? And he tells her, I think that her
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  Speaker 1: name is Olin, if I'm not mistaken. And she says
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: that that is such a beautiful name and believes him
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: and goes with it. And I am... very, very interested
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: to see what a big mom on our side looks like.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Because what's kind of interesting to me here is that
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: she has a moment of like, Oh my God, I'm
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: so hungry. And I was like, Oh, are we about
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: to see one of those craving rampages that she goes on? Sorry, guys.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: We don't see that. She's, Like they find a way
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: to feed her and she would like more food, but
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: she isn't super pushy about it. She's very kind saying
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: like the food is super good. Thank you so much.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: And honestly behaves more like a person than I think
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: we've ever seen from her. And does this mean that,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: That having forgotten who she is, that the hunger tantrum
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: fugue states don't happen anymore. If that's so, why wouldn't they?
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Is it a psychosomatic thing that she sort of, I
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: don't know what to think about this. And there's really
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: not enough information yet to like, even say that that's true,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: that it isn't happening anymore. Because those types of hunger
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: pangs are a really specific thing. And her just being
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: hungry seems different. So it may simply be that we
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: haven't encountered that really yet. But I don't really know
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: what tends to trigger them. It's sort of, it feels
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: like she just thinks of something and has a craving
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and gets fixated on it. And what it is that
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: she thinks of is sort of like that random, like
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: what I think of with this is cause I've talked
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: about how I will get cravings, especially around my period
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: for carbohydrates and red meat. And these are the two
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: things that I want real bad. But yeah, A lot
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: of times it's not even necessarily that I have a
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: food in mind. It'll be that I'm watching a show
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: and somebody makes something. And now that's it. They were
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: making a grilled cheese and I have to have grilled
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: cheese now. And there's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I don't make the rules. Grilled cheese is happening. And
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I don't really know exactly what it is that triggers
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Big Mom to decide, like, you know, she had the
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: croquembouche that she wanted. And she wouldn't settle for anything
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: but the croquembouche. What caused that? You know, like, is
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: this something that perhaps it turns out she may have
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: more control over than she realized? Or is it possible
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: that whatever happened to her cured this, if you want
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: to call them like seizures, I don't think that would
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: even be unfair. I am just so curious. And You know,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Big Mom and the fact that she she has a
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: history of not remembering things or remembering wrong Lena is
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: in the chat saying what I was starting to get
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: at which is I wondered if maybe when she remembers,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: she will remember it all. And the fact that she
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: does have these memory issues is compelling. And if she remembers,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: is it also going to restore what happened where I
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: believe she ate her friends? And what does that do
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: to her as a person? If she were to go back,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: to just what she used to know. She could reasonably
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: stay the big mom villain we all know. But what
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: if she remembers all of it and suddenly the fact
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: that this power that she has comes from having literally
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: been cannibalizing somebody that you called a mother who you
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: apparently worshipped. I feel like that's going to have to
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: fundamentally change her as a person. So it's possible that
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: even if her memory were to come back, if enough
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: comes back, she's still not really the big mom that
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: we know. I don't know. So we also have this
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: whole thing. Robin, is rescuing Toko and from Orochi. I'm,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I can't help but laugh because at one point, you know,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: as it begins to be clear that like Robin is
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: not obeying, everybody starts to go, wait, is she a spy?
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: And realizing like she is sort of new here. And
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: eventually Brooke gets like, roped into this distraction thing that
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: they're doing. And they see her talking with Brooke and
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: are like, oh my God, she's allies with that ghost.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: So it seems like the jig is up and Robin
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: is not going to be able to utilize this disguise
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: to sneak in places anymore, which is a shame. Also,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: it's very funny because the whole thing with Brooke is
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: that There's ninjas that are coming at Robin and Toko,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: and he is chasing them off. But he's just like
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: yelling a curse upon you all, something like that, which
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: initially is enough to scare them. But as they continue
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: to run away and he doesn't actually attack them, they
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: lose all fear of him. I am asking, genuinely asking...
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Why doesn't he attack them? Like, Brooke has so many
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: moves that he could do. And he could definitely do
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: things without killing people. I just, I can't understand why
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: when they start to realize, oh, we don't need to
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: be scared of him because he's not actually going to
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: hurt us. why doesn't he just hurt them a little,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: keep them afraid? Because as soon as they decide he
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: is not somebody they need to worry about, they're able
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: to like turn and continue chasing. Like they go back,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: you know? So for what reason did we do this
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: this way? Why didn't we just have you like, you
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: don't have to go too, too hard in an attack
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: on them, but, it was so clear. They said out
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: loud that they were not worried and to simply like,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: let them run off. Now that they have figured out,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: you're not going to do anything. It was a weirdly
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: passive move that I did not understand. Florian says in
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: his ghost form, he's not offensive slash a fighter. He's
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: just a ghost and, Oh, can go through walls and
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: stuff though. I could have sworn that we saw him
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: like do something once when he was in ghost form,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: but maybe I'm making that up. Okay. Okay. I thought
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: that he was still able to like, you know, do
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: one or two things. But when he's in his ghost form,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: remind me, is his skeleton just chilling, waiting for him
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: to come back to it? and can't move like that
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: is so wild can you imagine like stumbling across this
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: fucking skeleton that is apparently just a skeleton there's nothing
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: alive about it it's not moving around and then later
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: on you see that very same skeleton chatting fighting and
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: you're just like wait what that guy was dead of
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: course because he is a skeleton be very confusing Um,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: so I'm trying to make sure that I cover everything. It's, uh,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: it did surprise me a little bit that I was
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: only covering these two episodes this week because, or not
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: this week, because I think there's more tomorrow, but for
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: this episode, there's only two. Um, because there is a
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: lot of recovering the ground of the first episode and
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: the second one. And so I feel like I'm going
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: to be under time significantly. And, if you guys want
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: to ask some questions in the chat to like, you know,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: fill out the time a little bit, there's really not
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: a lot to talk about beyond like what I've already
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: gone over, except for the reveal of Shinobu. Is that
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: her name? She is, she is with Nami and, Nami
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: gets like grabbed up in chains, I think. And Shinobu
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: rescues her from them. But then there is this figure
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: behind Nami who sort of walks up slowly in a
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: way that made me think that we were going to
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: recognize him as an audience, but I did not. I
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: don't know if we have seen him before and I
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: just forgot. But His name is, is it Honsu? Honsou?
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: And she used to know him back in the day.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: And we get a flashback of her as a young woman,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: very attractive, very much looking like Nami. She's in this
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: cool kind of jumpsuit thing. And evidently, she was a seductress.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: we don't really see her seducing so much. This flashback
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: is a very generalized, like there's a group of men
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: around her and she just sort of like tosses her
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: hair and winks and all of them fall over it.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Like I, I know what we're going for here. So
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: that's fine. But it feels more like Boa Hancock and
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: her ability to, I thought when, because he first, he
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: says like the seduction thing, and then we get into
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: the flashback when he first says it before we see,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be more of like
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: a black widow type thing where she's like, you know,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: using her feminine wiles to get on the inside of
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: things and be a spy, get someone to trust her.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: But it seems much more like she is just able
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: to literally lay men out with the fact that she's
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: so hot. Um, and she says, I think she says,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: she brings up the fact that like he recognized her
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: and I think he's just fucking with her to make
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: her mad, but he pretty much immediately is like, actually,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I don't think you are the same person. She was
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: way hotter than you, which is just deeply hurtful and unnecessary, sir.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Why did you feel the need just to be a dick?
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: That's why, just because. And the fact that she had
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: this reputation and ability makes a lot of sense in
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: terms of the fact that she's still like coming on
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: strong with the mature woman thing these days, which I'm
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: not mad at. It's just, it's, it's very forced. So
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I feel like you could go in a different direction
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: with this and that would be okay. But, um, The
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: reason that they wind up falling through the ceiling is
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: she uses her ability to, like, rot the floor that
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: they're standing on. And then they fall through. And they basically, like,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: fall on top of Orochi. um and let me see
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to like oh right there's um the
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: whole thing with Nami pulling Zeus out and she gives
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: him some weather eggs it's so weird that they're called
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: that but he like has this lightning attack that almost
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: makes it look like Orochi is vaporized. I do not
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: believe that's what happened, but the way that the animation plays,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: it is very similar to the animation of the straw
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: hats and company on that mountain. When Kaido used his
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: like dragon breath power. And it, it reminds me of like,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: the animation that one would use for a nuclear blast,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: you know, I think he is going to turn out
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: to be okay. Unfortunately, I wouldn't mind if he was dead,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: but it just seems too easy. If it does, if
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: it does turn out that Kimura Saki is dead, I'm
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: really going to be pissed just for the record. She
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: deserved better. If we're going to have somebody in this
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: scene die, obviously I would like it to be the Shogun.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: And I also want to say that I think the
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: men that surround the Shogun are calling Nami a sorceress,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: which I have to be real is rad as hell.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: And I'm really liking this for her. You know, I've
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: frequently said how I wish that Nami had a little
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: bit more offensive power. We do see her doing more
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: with that. in this part of the arc, um, in
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: this like back half compared to the first 500 episodes,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: but it's still not quite where I would like it
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: to be. But if we're going to be calling her
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: a sorceress, that kind of changes the whole vibe. You know,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I have been feeling weird about the climate attack rod
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: as a weapon because it just felt so goofy on
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: a certain level. But if we're going to, instead approach
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: it as like this is a wizard's staff and it's conjuring.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Now we're talking in a way that I wasn't seeing
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: it as. And this sort of changes it up. I
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: kind of want a costume change for her that reflects
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: her sorceress status now. So yeah, I just wanted to
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: register my approval of them referring to her in this
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: way because... why the fuck not? I, I genuinely am
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: surprised at myself that it didn't occur to me independently
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: to think of this as just straight up magic. And
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I think that part of it is as much as
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: she can use this weapon and she can control what
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: it does. She didn't make it. It was given to
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: her by somebody else who was able to make it.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: So that kind of makes it feel like Usopp is
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: the wizard, right? And she's more like Butters from Dresden Files,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: you know? But I kind of... As much as that
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: is factually correct, I don't want to see it that way.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I would prefer to just look at it as she's
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: a sorceress. And I think I can get away with that,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: at least in how I know everyone else is likely
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: going to respond to her, because they don't know where
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: she got this weapon. They don't know how all this works. So... Yeah,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: they're going to be seeing her wielding it and interpreting
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: it as simply she knows how to use it because
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: she has this power. And I like it. I think
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: that's kind of great. So thumbs up on that. We
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: also have a really brief thing about how Captain Kidd escaped. Apparently,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Luffy has not escaped. Um, this is a sort of
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: an abrupt thing, but I'm assuming cause like Luffy had
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: been yelling toward him before about like sharing his food
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: and he wasn't getting an answer. So I feel like
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: that has to be linked somehow. But, um, Florian says,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: I think her studying for two years made the weapon
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: what it is. Usopp followed her plans in my mind. Okay.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I like that. Or at least it is a collab. Yeah, okay.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: I accept that. Headcanon accepted. But yeah, guys, that's pretty
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: much everything that I can recall. I'm going through this
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: and I don't feel like I really missed all that much.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Unless I were to go line by line, which I
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: don't feel is really necessary here. I am just real
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: sad about Komurasaki. But Florian says is there any Luffy
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: and honestly I don't think so I'm trying to let
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: me scrub through it again and see because like there's
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: oh wait there is a brief brief check in with
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Luffy and this the old man who is saying like
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: basically thank you for making it so that I can
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: feast Hyogoro that's his name it's a real brief scene.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Luffy says, you're going to have to go and get
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: some breakfast because we're going to be putting in work today.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: And he holds up all the tickets and says, thank you.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: As he like heads off to get his food. And
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: that is, he's like being watched here, but it's a,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I feel like that one moment, it's like a really, sorry,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to, here it is. This is when there's
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: somebody watching him, but we don't really get follow up
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: on exactly what all is going on there. It's just
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: the watching. There's a weird sound that this person makes
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: driving their like weapon into the ground and Luffy turning
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: and being like, what was that? And then a guard
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: yelling about how kid escaped. It's that's it. And we
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: don't come back to Luffy. And we don't really get
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: a reveal on who's watching this guy. I don't think
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: it's kid because the silhouette does not look right. I
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: don't remember what kid's weapon is. And there's like a
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: zero in on the food tickets in the guy's hand
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: as well. So I don't know what the significance is
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: of that, but yeah. Yeah. Florian says, what do you
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: want from this arc so far? Like a prediction. It's hard.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: First of all, I want Kimura Saki to be alive.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I think I've established that, but what it's like, it's
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: so funny because like, I basically want the same thing
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: that I want in real life, which is for the
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: people who are exploiting everybody to be brought low, the
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: resources to be redistributed. And for the folks who are
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: in prison on false charges to be released, like all
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: of the things that I actually want are what I
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: also want in this arc. I don't, I don't have
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: anything like very specific in mind though. All of that
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: is like the big, vague, perfect ending and nothing specific,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: you know? Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. Florian then says, will
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: the plan work out with the plan of Kinemon finding
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: allies to take down Kaido? I think it will, but
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I think it will have to be changed. I think
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: what they're trying to do is they're focusing too much
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: on appealing to people that had been around. And I
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: think they need more folks than that because the fact
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: that they just vanished has shaken some faith. So I
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: think they're going to need to recruit some new blood
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: as well. And, you know, maybe we can recruit some
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: of the ladies to be ninjas if we make noodles again, Sanji. Actually,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: you know, putting the fact that you were able to
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: draw a crowd to use this time around would be cool.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind more women being in the mix. Yeah.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, you know what? I am going to
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: wrap up because I'm sorry. I took a pain medicine
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: right before starting and I feel super nauseous now. So
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I am going to wrap up a little bit early. Apologies.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: I really, really appreciate you guys rolling with the punches
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: and the flexibility. It's just means a lot. So thank
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: you all again. Hope you're enjoying the coverage. Thank you, Florian.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Until next time, toodaloo, motherfuckers. That was an unspoiled network podcast.