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DEATH BY SPRING BREAK; 24-year-old Christine Englehart found half-naked, dead · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A gorgeous young co ed travels all the way from
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Speaker 1: Bucks County, Pennsylvania for spring break to Miami. It was
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Speaker 1: anything but festive. This gorgeous young girl, Christine Ingleheart dead
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Speaker 1: found half naked, strewn across her bed in a hotel room. Now,
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Speaker 1: how did that happen? With me? An all star panel
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Speaker 1: to break it down and put it back together again,
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Speaker 1: But first take a listen to this. Christine Engelhardt's friends
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Speaker 1: tell ABC six that the twenty four year old woman
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Speaker 1: loves running and animals and life. That's pretty evident from
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Speaker 1: this Facebook live post. We're a live live from Philadelphia.
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Speaker 1: Two guys out look at the view? Guys, Yeah, we live?
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, how do I turn the saw? In fact,
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Speaker 1: friends say she was one in a million. She was
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Speaker 1: the person you brought in that made everything lit up
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Speaker 1: the whole room. You know. Her laugh was like the
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Speaker 1: most contagious laugh. Englehart grew up in Richboro, Pennsylvania, attending
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Speaker 1: and graduating Council Rock High School North in Newtown. For
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Speaker 1: the last four years, Englehart has been an assistant manager
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Speaker 1: at Jules then Crusted Pizza. According to her mother, Englehart
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Speaker 1: traveled to Florida alone, but friends are also quick to
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Speaker 1: point out that Inglehart is pretty cautious. In July of
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, Englehart shared on Facebook about experiences she had
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Speaker 1: had at Tyler's State Park. She said, on two separate occasions,
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Speaker 1: a man in a car beeped at her and waved
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Speaker 1: to get her attention. She wrote, always go with your gut.
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Speaker 1: Please be on alert for any suspicious people or cars.
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Speaker 1: This is a dangerous world now, unfortunately, and you never
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Speaker 1: know what anyone's true intentions are. It just breaks my heart.
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Speaker 1: And you were hearing from our friends at climb online
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Speaker 1: dot com. This girl is so precious. She reminds me
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Speaker 1: when I was hearing her voice, that reminds me of
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Speaker 1: Lucy and John David, my twins or thirteen. And they
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Speaker 1: will get on their phones and try to make videos
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Speaker 1: and Lucy can never turn it off and it just
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Speaker 1: the dissolved laughing. And I'm just thinking about how full
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Speaker 1: of life this young girl was. She was studying nursing
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Speaker 1: at local community college, had just finished a half marathon,
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Speaker 1: was always posting about taking in animals, being kind to animals,
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Speaker 1: just so loving, working her way through school at Jules
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Speaker 1: pizza and to think of her found half naked, debt
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Speaker 1: and hotel room raped top at all off with me
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Speaker 1: an all star panelm that I mentioned before. First of all,
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Speaker 1: Kim Davignon, Assistant Criminal District Attorney, Tarrant County. They're in Texas.
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Speaker 1: The chief of the Adult Sex Assault Unit eight years
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Speaker 1: and Crimes against Children. Doctor Alan Blockkee, PhD renowned psychologists
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Speaker 1: joining us out of Birmingham, and he specializes in forensic cases.
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Speaker 1: A boy do I need to shrink today? Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University. Author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
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Speaker 1: Star of a brand new series on the True Crime Network,
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Speaker 1: Poisonous Liaison's Death. Investigator Joseph Scott Morgan. You'll find him
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Speaker 1: featured at crime online dot com in the upcoming days.
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Speaker 1: Is that Derek Chauvintrial goes forward Justin Boardman, former detective
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Speaker 1: the West Valley City Police Department Special Victims Unit. He's
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Speaker 1: now at Boardman Training and Consulting and you can find
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Speaker 1: him at justin Boardman dot com. But first to crimoline
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Speaker 1: dot com to get a reporter. Also with Lead Stories
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Speaker 1: dot Com. Alexis terres Chuck. Alexis you know, I think
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Speaker 1: about how thrilled you were when you had your baby boy.
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Speaker 1: You know you put all that love, all that energy,
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Speaker 1: all your money, yeah by by money, everything, but all
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Speaker 1: your hopes and your dreams for them. You pour all
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Speaker 1: that into your child or your children to have two
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Speaker 1: pervs come along and just just like that, snuff out
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Speaker 1: their life. And then you know, Alexis, these two that
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Speaker 1: left her either dead or dying, then ran out and
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Speaker 1: continued the party with her credit cards. They're at Miami Beach.
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Speaker 1: But you know what, I'm putting the cart before the horse.
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Speaker 1: You start with the facts. Alexus. Start at the beginning
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Speaker 1: with her going twelve hundred miles just to have a
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Speaker 1: break and have some fun from working and studying. Twenty
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Speaker 1: four seven three sixty five. That's exactly what she has
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Speaker 1: been doing. She's some study in the middle of the
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Speaker 1: COVID pandemic. She is studying to be a nurse. She
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Speaker 1: has a heart of gold. She wants to help people.
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Speaker 1: So she takes a break from spring break, heads down
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Speaker 1: to Miami Beach, flies from a doctor Alan Blockkey, did
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Speaker 1: you hear what Alexis Straschok just said. I hadn't thought
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Speaker 1: of that in the middle of COVID, when health workers
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Speaker 1: are risking their lives to save people. This girl's trying
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Speaker 1: to wade into the fray, trying to get her nursing
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Speaker 1: degree to help people at a time when it could
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Speaker 1: be risking her own life. Does that say to you,
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Speaker 1: block Key, I mean, it just corroborates everything you've said
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Speaker 1: in your opening, which is that she's a loving, open
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Speaker 1: person who cares about others more than herself perhaps, and
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Speaker 1: that that's just a central part of who she was
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Speaker 1: and who she is. Jackie here in the studio with me.
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Speaker 1: Look at her. Look at the picture of her there
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Speaker 1: with her mother. I mean that big smile right here,
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Speaker 1: she's awesome, happy because she just finished that marathon, and
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Speaker 1: she's looking at the camera, big smile, full of life.
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Speaker 1: It just, Alexis just makes me sick. Okay, sorry, go ahead,
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Speaker 1: start over. So she is in Miami Beach, rents a
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Speaker 1: hotel room, goes out to a restaurant to have some fun,
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Speaker 1: and that is where she meets these two men. Meets
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Speaker 1: them in a restaurant. They are together in this restaurant.
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Speaker 1: They're seen together in the restaurant. Who's together in the restaurant?
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Speaker 1: The two guys or the two guys in Christine, all
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Speaker 1: three of them. She meets. The two guys are together
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Speaker 1: in the restaurant. She meets them in the restaurant. They
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Speaker 1: meet in a restaurant like a party. This is springbreak
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Speaker 1: in Miami is a party everywhere, it's home. You know
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Speaker 1: where you're giving me a flashback of Natalie Holloway where
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Speaker 1: she met yourn Vander salute on her and had senior
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Speaker 1: trip party break and meets him. I swear, I think
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Speaker 1: he slipped to a roofy and that's how she ends
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Speaker 1: up dead. But so this is where they meet. She
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Speaker 1: had no prior connection to these two at all. And
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Speaker 1: I'm referring to four Collier age twenty one and Dorian Taylor,
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Speaker 1: aged twenty four. So they met when she happened to
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Speaker 1: go to this restaurant, right exactly. That's what we know
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Speaker 1: so far that nobody has said. They have not said
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Speaker 1: that they knew her. None of her friends have said
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Speaker 1: that she was planning on meeting them down there. So
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Speaker 1: they leave the restaurant together. They go back to her
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Speaker 1: hotel room. This is where they are seen on video
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Speaker 1: a minute, aren't you skipping something? Alexis which I considered
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Speaker 1: to be a very critical moment. Now correct me if
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Speaker 1: I'm wrong, because you know the facts better than I do.
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Speaker 1: But isn't it true that, according to what one of
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Speaker 1: the young men said, as they walk from the restaurant
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Speaker 1: to the Albion Hotel along the ocean, they slip her
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Speaker 1: or give her a green pill. Yes, they do. They
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Speaker 1: have told police that they give her a green a pill.
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Speaker 1: Now they say they thought this pill was a percoset,
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Speaker 1: which is a pain killer that you take after me, Why, no,
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Speaker 1: probably not. No, they gave her a pill and she
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Speaker 1: when they get to the hotel. There is video surveillance
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Speaker 1: of this, and the police have described and this is
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Speaker 1: a really scary description. I just want people to know that.
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Speaker 1: They say, but these men are walking into the hotel
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Speaker 1: with her, and one of them she is basically unable
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Speaker 1: to walk. One is holding her up by the stand up. No,
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Speaker 1: they are in this hotel room. They this is her
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Speaker 1: hotel room. This isn't her, bears, They go in the
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Speaker 1: hotel room. The next time we see them is a
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Speaker 1: mere thirty minutes later, leaving this hotel. They're seen again
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Speaker 1: on video. Who is seen leaving The two men are
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Speaker 1: seen leaving and not her scene no clime stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Let me go out to Justin Boardman, former
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Speaker 1: detective West Valley CDPD. You know, Justin, I know you
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Speaker 1: were listening to what Alexi she said. And this is critical.
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Speaker 1: Has left the green peel that the two purps thought
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Speaker 1: was a percocet. Why would you be giving her a
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Speaker 1: percocet other than trying to mix drugs and alcohol to
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Speaker 1: make her pass out. But the hotel videos surmals video
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Speaker 1: shows them all coming in. She was out of it
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Speaker 1: based on whatever they gave her. So we've got the
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Speaker 1: video of her leaving the restaurant and she's fine. We've
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Speaker 1: gotten the video of her coming in the hotel and
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Speaker 1: she can hardly stand up. They're holding her by the
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Speaker 1: the back of the net. Nick try to help her
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Speaker 1: onto the elevator. So whatever happened to her happened on
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Speaker 1: that walk, and that is consistent with the defendive statement
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Speaker 1: that they gave her or slipped her surreptitiously a green
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Speaker 1: pill as they walked from the restaurant to the hotel.
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Speaker 1: Another significant thing, if you will recall again, let me
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Speaker 1: call on the Natalie Holloway case. Later was Tassiana Flores,
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Speaker 1: his second murder victim. He is caught on surveillance in
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Speaker 1: the hallway of her hotels Stephan Tassiana Flores, and he's
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Speaker 1: looking around and it shows he's the only one going
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Speaker 1: in and out of that room, justin boardman. I bet
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Speaker 1: you that hotel has hallway surveillance as well, that we're
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Speaker 1: going to learn even more from. Absolutely, I agree with you.
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Speaker 1: I would believe it be a lot more video of
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Speaker 1: showing how this would not have been consensual and a
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Speaker 1: consensual encounter due to her level of being intoxicated or
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Speaker 1: incapacitated by that matter. One thing I would also be
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Speaker 1: concerned about is hotel front desk help and I would
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Speaker 1: be talking to them to see if they saw anything,
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Speaker 1: But also why didn't they intervene? Why didn't they start
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Speaker 1: asking any sort of questions if she needed help, if
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Speaker 1: they needed help, so on and so forth, And then
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Speaker 1: when the men left, would be maybe follow up, do
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Speaker 1: a welfare tex that hold on, You've given me a
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Speaker 1: lot of information right now, and you know what he's
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Speaker 1: right to. Kim Davignon, assistant a DA in Tarrant County,
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Speaker 1: Texas Chief Adult Sex Assault unit. Kim, right, there isn't
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Speaker 1: that what a hotel Clark is supposed to do see
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Speaker 1: people in and out. They can't say this woman can't
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Speaker 1: even stand up. You're exactly right. I mean, we don't
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Speaker 1: know right now if they came in a way where
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Speaker 1: other people saw them. I don't. I can't tell that
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Speaker 1: one from the information that's been disclosed. But unfortunately, it's
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Speaker 1: not uncommon in cases where people see literally incapacitated women
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Speaker 1: being brought into hotels or apartments and no one does
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Speaker 1: anything because there's kind of a culture around it that well,
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Speaker 1: we don't people. People don't want to get involved because
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Speaker 1: they just don't understand that incapacitated means no consent, and
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Speaker 1: so they go, oh, well they're partying and let it go.
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Speaker 1: And so, yes, to your point, if someone saw it,
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Speaker 1: that's incredibly problematic. We don't know if that's true, but
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Speaker 1: I would certainly be asking anyone that worked in that hotel.
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Speaker 1: Long man, you're not kidding, Kim. And another thing we
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Speaker 1: were talking about video Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics. I
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Speaker 1: know you're familiar with Jennifer Dulo's case husband photos Dulos,
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Speaker 1: and then of course the lover of Michelle Traconis. Remember
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Speaker 1: in that case, Joe Scott, the cops there in Connecticut
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Speaker 1: did an incredible job piece together a timeline through video surveillance,
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Speaker 1: and I was so impressed. They got the neighbors in
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood home video surveillance of Jennifer coming home after
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Speaker 1: dropping the children off at school. Then they pieced together
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Speaker 1: surveillance of the vehicling question, which was Bodus Dulos carrying
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Speaker 1: her dead body to get rid of it all through
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood because of surveillance video from the homes, then
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Speaker 1: along business establishments. Then they have even where a public
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Speaker 1: bus was stopped and a door opened and you see
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Speaker 1: the car go by, And that is how they were
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Speaker 1: able to put together a lot of what they know
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Speaker 1: about the timeline. I think that's going to have to
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Speaker 1: be done here because I don't believe that this girl,
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Speaker 1: will Langley took a green pill of that the purpose
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Speaker 1: thought was percocet on her own. I think she was
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Speaker 1: slipped it and maybe maybe video can show that. Joe Scott, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: quite possibly. And I would imagine that these bars because Nancy,
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Speaker 1: they're down there on Ocean Drive, which runs literally in
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Speaker 1: Miami Beach, right along the shore there, and I would
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Speaker 1: imagine this location that they were in with her. They've
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Speaker 1: probably got videography inside of that location too. You can
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Speaker 1: actually see probably the interaction that they're having with her.
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Speaker 1: Not to mention. If you can do that, you can
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Speaker 1: also pinpoint people that may have been around them in
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Speaker 1: their proximity to go back and interview them, say, hey,
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Speaker 1: what'd you see with these guys? Did you see them
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Speaker 1: interacting with her? Did you see her behavior? Okay? Can
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Speaker 1: I just say, Joe Scott, not only do I think
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Speaker 1: they're from what I know now and their own statements,
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Speaker 1: I think they're culpable for felony murder, all right, because
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Speaker 1: but you're hearing from a sis is largely coming from
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Speaker 1: the younger one of war Collier, who seemed like a bird,
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Speaker 1: and he says that they intended to have sex with
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Speaker 1: this girl. Sex, it's right, but they also committed a
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Speaker 1: burglary when they walked into that room with the intent
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Speaker 1: to have sex with an unconscious woman. They also stole
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Speaker 1: things and she ended up dead. That's classic felony murder.
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Speaker 1: You commit a felony burglary going in her room to
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Speaker 1: steal stuff and she ends up dead. Bam. You don't
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Speaker 1: have to show he intended to drug her to the
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Speaker 1: point she died. All you need is a felony and
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Speaker 1: a death therein. Also, let me ask you something else,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, deaf investigator. If this were percoset, would it
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Speaker 1: have acted that quickly? I had a percocet once when
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Speaker 1: I broke my foot, and it really did nothing to me.
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Speaker 1: It was just like nothing. Would that have made her
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Speaker 1: past out? No? No, no, and no, these guys are lying.
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Speaker 1: They gave her were hibben All rehiben all comes. It's
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Speaker 1: a cablet and it'll come in kind of an olive
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Speaker 1: drab sometimes green color tablet, and it's got kind of
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Speaker 1: a blue interior to it, and it's easily dissolved. And
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Speaker 1: let me tell you how this works, Nancy. If any
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Speaker 1: and I know your listeners, you know, like any of
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Speaker 1: us on the panel, probably if you've ever gone for
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Speaker 1: surgery before they actually give you anesthesia, they'll give you
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Speaker 1: a sedative like drug and it kind of calms you,
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Speaker 1: like an ada band or something like that. Didn't shake that.
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Speaker 1: Whenever I've had surgeon, I'm like, no, I want to
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Speaker 1: see exactly what you're doing as I go on, Okay,
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Speaker 1: well you're you're braver than me. Hey, look this thing
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Speaker 1: kind of chills you out. And the thing about hibben
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Speaker 1: all it's in that family of menzodiazepine. Seems like xanax
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Speaker 1: and that sort of thing. But it's like you kick
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Speaker 1: it up fifteen notches from there, and so it it
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Speaker 1: will literally put you in this dreamlike state. And not
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Speaker 1: to mention, it can actually induce unconsciousness depended upon the dosage,
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Speaker 1: your body weight and all that stuff. That's what they
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Speaker 1: gave her. You know, it's a dead giveaway when they
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Speaker 1: say that it was a green pill. And so this
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Speaker 1: makes her malleable, This makes her they can manipulate her
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Speaker 1: in any way they want to. There's even a report
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Speaker 1: that they were having to hold her by her neck
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Speaker 1: in order to get her to stand up. And why
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Speaker 1: does she die? I'm just wondering if it was positional
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Speaker 1: asphyxia or if they killed her. I mean, I've only
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Speaker 1: Alexis thrust check back to you crime online an lead
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Speaker 1: stories dot Com, Alexis. I've only got their word for
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Speaker 1: it that she was alive when they left the room.
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Speaker 1: Why should I believe them? That's the whole thing. These
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Speaker 1: are the guys that have been arrests. Of course they're
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Speaker 1: going to say she was alive, so they're not going
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Speaker 1: to tell the truth about what happened. And the police
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Speaker 1: are not taking this lightly. Like I am so glad
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Speaker 1: that there were so many surveillance here because you know
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Speaker 1: they did. They stole her cards, they stole her iPhone
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Speaker 1: and or her telephone, and they used them and continue
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Speaker 1: the party. They use this girl she's either dead or
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Speaker 1: dying in a hotel room, used her credit cards, in
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Speaker 1: cash to go by liquor, and a whole a lot
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Speaker 1: of other things. And it's all a surveillance video Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about the
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Speaker 1: untimely death I say, murder of a gorgeous twenty four
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Speaker 1: year old co ed studying nursing. She goes to spring
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Speaker 1: break and never comes back home by admission, because of
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Speaker 1: these two twenty four year old Dorian Teller, who I
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Speaker 1: believe has a rap sheet. I'm trying to confirm that,
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Speaker 1: and twenty one year old F. R. Collier, who does
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Speaker 1: not have a rap sheet. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at CBS three, k y WTV Philly. The men
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Speaker 1: were both seen on surveillance at her hotel walking her
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Speaker 1: to her room. Police do not believe they had consent
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Speaker 1: to go inside. Yeah, as sex multiple times and once
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Speaker 1: she was unconscious or out, you remain did not call
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Speaker 1: for assistance or help and began to take all her
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Speaker 1: items from the Sanio Bartident hotel staff found the twenty
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Speaker 1: four year olds half naked body the following day and
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Speaker 1: called police. A search for the suspects was launched, with
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Speaker 1: police eventually tracking them both down and here is Alisa
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Speaker 1: Himan NBC six South Florida wt VJ. According to detectives,
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Speaker 1: twenty one year old Vari Callier and twenty four year
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Speaker 1: old Dorian Taylor were seen on surveillance video walking with
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Speaker 1: the victim into the hotel, adding the video made it
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Speaker 1: clear the victim was intoxicated or drugged and unable to
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Speaker 1: give consent. She was actually are you staggering a little bit?
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Speaker 1: And at one point coll defended Taylor held her behind
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Speaker 1: her or on her neck to basically keep her stable.
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Speaker 1: The detective told the judge one of the defendants admitted
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Speaker 1: they had sex with her, and once she was unconscious,
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Speaker 1: The detective said, they stole her phone, credit cards in cash.
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Speaker 1: Did they ever try and call for her assistance from
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Speaker 1: her call nine one one to try and get her help? Oh? Man,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not so convinced that she was alive
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Speaker 1: when they left the room. Hey, back to you. Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. How long does
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Speaker 1: a rufy stay in your system? And is a rufie
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Speaker 1: the same as GHB Gama hi droxy beauty? Right? Is
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Speaker 1: that what a rufi is? Yeah, they're all similar and
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Speaker 1: they're in the same family. This is if what they're
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Speaker 1: saying is accurate. This is a drug for hib and
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Speaker 1: all and so yeah, they're kind of in the same
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Speaker 1: fact family. But this is the thing about it, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: if she is dead, it's not going to matter if if, say,
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Speaker 1: for instance, she would have died in short order, so
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Speaker 1: the body stops metabolizing the drug at that point. So
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Speaker 1: we've got them. We've got them because at posts at autopsy.
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Speaker 1: Remember this autopsy is pending toxicology, Nancy, it's pending toxicology,
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Speaker 1: So it's going to be there and we will be
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Speaker 1: able to get or the Miami Dade Medical Examinera will
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Speaker 1: be able to get exacting levels in her system that
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Speaker 1: can marry up to the combination of alcohol she probably
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Speaker 1: had on board as well, that in and of itself
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Speaker 1: might be lethal. Okay, but I suspect that there's something
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Speaker 1: else going on here, because this is a sexual attack.
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Speaker 1: This is gonna be a lot of anger that's involved
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Speaker 1: in this. It would not, It would not. It would
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Speaker 1: not surprise me if suffocation or some kind of obstruction
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Speaker 1: the airway is not involved in this case. Yeah, they
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Speaker 1: keep saying we're wending on toxicology, But I'm just wondering
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Speaker 1: if she died a positional asphyxia, in other words, lying
21:59
Speaker 1: there on the bed, passed out, if a pillow was
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Speaker 1: right here, she could have died that way. This is
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Speaker 1: still felony murder. I don't know why they keep saying
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Speaker 1: we're waiting on toxicology. I don't care if it was
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Speaker 1: a percocet or a roofy GHB gama hi droxybautary. Whatever happened,
22:17
Speaker 1: it made her pass out, They raped her, They committed burglary,
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Speaker 1: by their own admission, and she's dead. I mean, Kim
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Speaker 1: to Avignon. Maybe I'm not explaining it correctly. Felony murder
22:29
Speaker 1: does not require intent. It doesn't matter if it was
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Speaker 1: a percocet or a Roofy, the date rape drug. It
22:36
Speaker 1: matters they gave it to her, they had sex with
22:39
Speaker 1: her when she was unconscious, and she died. It doesn't
22:43
Speaker 1: matter if they intended to cure. Right that I mean,
22:46
Speaker 1: felony murder, it doesn't. You know, your other other types
22:49
Speaker 1: of murder, you look at what the person intended to
22:51
Speaker 1: have cause happen. But in felony murder, what you're looking
22:55
Speaker 1: at was someone in the course of committing a felony
22:57
Speaker 1: and did they commit an act clearly dangerous to human life?
23:00
Speaker 1: And so you know it's it's there's a million versions
23:04
Speaker 1: of it. But to your point, if you are committing
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Speaker 1: a felony and a sexual assault of burglary, all those
23:11
Speaker 1: would count as a felony, and then it is dangerous
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Speaker 1: to human life. I e. You see someone who's clearly
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Speaker 1: from the pill you gave them, clearly in distress, maybe
23:21
Speaker 1: not breathing, those kind of things, then yes, you're that
23:25
Speaker 1: is clearly dangerous to human life. Here's the example I
23:28
Speaker 1: would always give juries. Let's use Jackie here in the
23:31
Speaker 1: studio with me Jackie and I designed Robin Bank and
23:34
Speaker 1: we agree nobody's gonna get hurt. We go in. Jackie
23:38
Speaker 1: gets wild hair, pulls her oozy and start shooting Gus
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Speaker 1: down and tell her I'm like what, I'm on the
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Speaker 1: hook for a felony murder. I didn't want anybody to die,
23:48
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter. I'm committing a felony and a
23:51
Speaker 1: death occurs. Bam, felony murder. Here they're committing a burglary,
23:57
Speaker 1: which means you go into a dwelling, be in a
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Speaker 1: hotel room and you commit a felony with intent to
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Speaker 1: commit a felony. They're in rape or stealing, and somebody dies.
24:08
Speaker 1: That's all it is. Now that is implied. There's implied
24:14
Speaker 1: intent as well and explicit. For instance, you I take
24:20
Speaker 1: a gun, I point it and pull the trigger. What
24:23
Speaker 1: do I intend to happen? A death that's different from
24:27
Speaker 1: felony murder, and I think that's what they need to
24:29
Speaker 1: be looking at. Felony murder. Guys, take a listen to
24:33
Speaker 1: our cut eight. This is Alicia read CBS three KYWTV Philly.
24:38
Speaker 1: Listen to these two. When apprehended on Ocean Drive, police
24:42
Speaker 1: say Collier was wearing the same pans seen on surveillance
24:45
Speaker 1: the night he was with the victim. Taylor was not
24:48
Speaker 1: only seen on video using the victim's credit card at
24:50
Speaker 1: a liquor store. Police see Christine's cell phone and additional
24:54
Speaker 1: green pills were found in his bag. The codefendants are
24:57
Speaker 1: facing sexual battery, burglary, credit card fraud, and theft charges
25:02
Speaker 1: and I'm studying a bond. He's being held no bond.
25:04
Speaker 1: It's a very serious charge. He battered helpless victim. Doctor
25:08
Speaker 1: Alan Blockkey, PhD. Clinical psychologist, Doctor block Key. I had
25:14
Speaker 1: so many memories from cases I prosecuted, but I want
25:17
Speaker 1: to compare something. I remember trying a drug lord and
25:22
Speaker 1: I really wanted him behind bars because he's sold to
25:25
Speaker 1: minors and he's sold by his school. I'm talking heroin
25:29
Speaker 1: and cocaine. He didn't care. So the night of the offense,
25:34
Speaker 1: it was dark outside and the witness didn't get a
25:38
Speaker 1: good look, but could very easily describe the red I
25:44
Speaker 1: think it was Adidas track suit top and bottom with
25:49
Speaker 1: the white stripes going down the side. You know how
25:52
Speaker 1: happy I was, Blockkey. When the guy comes into court
25:56
Speaker 1: that day he was out on bond in the red
26:00
Speaker 1: Adida's track suit Nary was and in this case, these
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Speaker 1: guys have on the same clothing they were wearing in
26:12
Speaker 1: the video the night she died. Plus they still have
26:15
Speaker 1: her cell phone and her credit cards on them when
26:18
Speaker 1: they're arrested. I mean, Blockie, what are they thinking They're
26:22
Speaker 1: still wearing the same clothes. The ultimate of arrogance, you know,
26:28
Speaker 1: like they're protected. Nobody's going to get them. They're anonymous,
26:34
Speaker 1: nobody has seen anything. We're arrogant. We pulled it off,
26:38
Speaker 1: and not only did we pull it off, We're gonna
26:40
Speaker 1: do it again because I guarantee you if they had
26:43
Speaker 1: not been apprehended, they would have tried it again. And
26:46
Speaker 1: I'm sure they've done it in the past. It's the
26:49
Speaker 1: ultimate of arrogance. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. As we
27:02
Speaker 1: are talking about the death of a beautiful young girl,
27:06
Speaker 1: nursing student, putting herself through school at jewels, thin crust
27:11
Speaker 1: there in Philly, so happy to get to go on
27:15
Speaker 1: spring break, these two guys have more. Collier and Dorian
27:21
Speaker 1: Taylor have just appeared in court Alexa's RuSHA. Why were
27:27
Speaker 1: they in court where they were requesting to be released
27:32
Speaker 1: from jail? And in fact callier sister came down from
27:35
Speaker 1: North Carolina and begged the judge to let them be
27:38
Speaker 1: released on bonna, and the judge said, no, these guys
27:41
Speaker 1: are staying in jail. We don't even know what she
27:44
Speaker 1: died from yet, and we're not taking a chance that
27:46
Speaker 1: we're gonna let them out and that they will disappear
27:48
Speaker 1: and not come back and not be held responsible for this.
27:50
Speaker 1: So this is their very first court appearance and they
27:53
Speaker 1: are sitting in jail still. And I think it's really
27:56
Speaker 1: important to point out as Jess goot Morgan said that
27:58
Speaker 1: the pills are green, and that reporter a new said
28:01
Speaker 1: they were found with a bag of those. They definitely
28:05
Speaker 1: I didn't realize I had a whole bag, that's what
28:07
Speaker 1: they local reporter just said, yeah, was a bag. They
28:13
Speaker 1: were using these, And I guess that goes back to
28:16
Speaker 1: what Blockkey. Doctor Blockkey said earlier would probably use them again.
28:21
Speaker 1: We were talking earlier about this happening to Natalie Holloway.
28:25
Speaker 1: But do you remember the case of the Stanford star student, Yes,
28:30
Speaker 1: Brock Turner, as I recall his name, take a listen
28:33
Speaker 1: to our friends at Inside Edition. Former Stanford University star
28:38
Speaker 1: swimmer Brock Turner got just six months after being convicted
28:42
Speaker 1: of sexual assault. He will be released in three months.
28:46
Speaker 1: A sentence has led to outrage. A petition calling for
28:49
Speaker 1: Judge Aaron Persky to step down has one point five
28:53
Speaker 1: million signatures. And in that case, the victim of the
28:58
Speaker 1: sex assault had been slipped a ruthie at a frat
29:03
Speaker 1: party and she wakes up outside by a dumpster being
29:07
Speaker 1: assaulted in the dirt. And of course here is Jeff
29:11
Speaker 1: Glore at CBS regarding Holloway. Natalie Holloway charged with the
29:15
Speaker 1: murder of twenty one year old Stephanie Flores. You're in
29:18
Speaker 1: Vanderslote has been talking, but not about that murder case.
29:22
Speaker 1: During an interview with a Dutch newspaper, Vendorslote admits to
29:25
Speaker 1: extorting twenty five thousand dollars from the parents of Natalie
29:28
Speaker 1: Holloway in exchange for the location of their daughter's body.
29:32
Speaker 1: When asked why, he says he did it because he
29:34
Speaker 1: wanted to get back at them and by all accounts,
29:36
Speaker 1: alexis terrez Chick. Natalie Holloway goes to a bar while
29:40
Speaker 1: on a school break their senior trip, Carlos and Charlie's
29:46
Speaker 1: down in a Ruba and suddenly, after a drink at
29:50
Speaker 1: the bar, she leaves with a guy she's never met before.
29:55
Speaker 1: He later says she started foaming at the mouth and died. Obviously,
30:00
Speaker 1: have him been slipped a roofy? Do you remember that, Alexis?
30:03
Speaker 1: I do because I knew I knew some friends of
30:07
Speaker 1: hers in Mountain Brook, Alabama. But I think that he
30:12
Speaker 1: lied so much. Lauren Banners lied so much and he
30:15
Speaker 1: liked He manipulated Natalie's mom for years talking about how
30:19
Speaker 1: what he had done to her, and finally admitted they
30:22
Speaker 1: had sex on Well, his admission was they had sex
30:25
Speaker 1: on the beach and she started growing up. No, this
30:28
Speaker 1: is the same as the situation. She was raped and
30:30
Speaker 1: probably died and then he got rid of her body.
30:32
Speaker 1: So let me ask you, Justin Boordman, a former detective
30:37
Speaker 1: was Valley CITYPD at Justin Boordman dot com. Now, Justin,
30:42
Speaker 1: there's so many directions to go improving this case. What
30:46
Speaker 1: would you do first? Well, I would do a lot
30:49
Speaker 1: of the Certainly, the video of him is super important.
30:54
Speaker 1: We talked about a little bit about the pants that
30:58
Speaker 1: the suspects were wearing. Also complete a warrant for each
31:03
Speaker 1: one of the suspects bodies and have the forensic exam
31:09
Speaker 1: done on the males as well. There would be a
31:13
Speaker 1: lot of evidence there on certain body parts and so
31:16
Speaker 1: on and so forth. I would also build a track record,
31:21
Speaker 1: so I would want to show how they planned this out,
31:26
Speaker 1: how they target targeted her, and this was targeted so
31:32
Speaker 1: Florida right now and legislators are addressing their hate crimes statute.
31:41
Speaker 1: This was women are are targeted much more than other
31:45
Speaker 1: classes of people, and they targeted her because she was
31:50
Speaker 1: a woman, you know, being a hate crime. But you're
31:53
Speaker 1: absolutely correct, And I want to follow up with something
31:57
Speaker 1: you and Dr Allen Blockkey. Was your referring to the
32:01
Speaker 1: arrogance that they had Alexis terresschik. Isn't it true that
32:05
Speaker 1: after this incident where Christine Inglehart is left for dead
32:10
Speaker 1: or dead, they're then caught photo bombing another young girl
32:17
Speaker 1: out on the boardwalk they're along the ocean. Did you
32:19
Speaker 1: see that? I did? And I am just again so
32:24
Speaker 1: impressed how quickly these guys were caught. To me, they
32:28
Speaker 1: just look like regular young men. Nothing about them. They're
32:31
Speaker 1: no like crazy tattoos that identify them or anything like that.
32:35
Speaker 1: But that they were so quickly identified in social media. Yeah,
32:38
Speaker 1: there were photo bombing other women, but there's other things.
32:40
Speaker 1: For instance, her credit cards were used. So they go
32:43
Speaker 1: to those locations and they see even better photos photo
32:47
Speaker 1: surveillance of these two of what they look like. But yeah,
32:50
Speaker 1: out of the thousands and thousands of people flooding Miami
32:53
Speaker 1: for spring break, I mean, they've had to put in
32:55
Speaker 1: a curfew. They're calling in five law enforcement agencies to
32:59
Speaker 1: keep the peace in Miami right now. Everything's gone haywire.
33:02
Speaker 1: And in the middle of this, Christine Engelhart ends up dead.
33:06
Speaker 1: So Joe Scott Morgan, let me talk to you about
33:08
Speaker 1: cod cause of death. In my mind, that is going
33:11
Speaker 1: to be the critical factor in this case. Apparently we're
33:14
Speaker 1: the only ones thinking about felony murder as an option
33:17
Speaker 1: because they are saying they got to figure out what
33:20
Speaker 1: the drug was. I don't think the drug matters. Could
33:23
Speaker 1: she have died a positional asphyxia? How would a rufie
33:29
Speaker 1: kill her? How could percoset kill her? Give me your
33:34
Speaker 1: best analysis, jo Scott Morgan, Yeah, I sure will. And
33:39
Speaker 1: this is that, you know, let's reflect back what we
33:41
Speaker 1: said just a month ago. When you're talking about Natalie's
33:44
Speaker 1: death and he had mentioned that she was foaming at
33:47
Speaker 1: the mouth. Do you remember that. Well, one of the
33:49
Speaker 1: things that's going on with that, with that is that
33:52
Speaker 1: the drug that he is applying can sent her into
33:55
Speaker 1: respiratory failure. Now it doesn't matter if you know what
34:00
Speaker 1: happens is that her respiratory system has shut down again.
34:04
Speaker 1: Did they smother her in addition to that, or did
34:07
Speaker 1: they try to choke her out? You have this kind
34:10
Speaker 1: of this substance that's helping this event along because it's suppressed.
34:15
Speaker 1: She's already compromised. Nancy, here's my worry about this, because
34:20
Speaker 1: Miami is chaotic right now. All of our kids at
34:24
Speaker 1: JCU are on spring break this week, and I've been
34:27
Speaker 1: watching the news and everything that's going on down there.
34:29
Speaker 1: How many other people, how many other young women had
34:33
Speaker 1: these two already targeted? Because the sexual assault element to
34:38
Speaker 1: this is so very shameful that sometimes women won't report it.
34:44
Speaker 1: Victims won't report it. They've got a sack of these pills, Nancy,
34:48
Speaker 1: I wonder how many other young women spring break has
34:50
Speaker 1: been going on for a while down there, are they
34:52
Speaker 1: just kind of floating around and targeting these people? You know,
34:57
Speaker 1: she had mentioned that they were actually photo bombed people.
35:00
Speaker 1: That you're that bold. That means that you've set up
35:03
Speaker 1: a target group out there where you're going around, you're
35:06
Speaker 1: looking for people specifically. And unfortunately, this poor this poor woman,
35:12
Speaker 1: this poor woman was a wound up in this lethal
35:16
Speaker 1: situation which they killed her. This is a murder and
35:19
Speaker 1: let's don't forget this, Nancy Barta is a capital offense day,
35:24
Speaker 1: so we'll see how this plays. And another thing to
35:26
Speaker 1: Kim Davignon, Assistant DA in Tarrant County, Texas. I saw
35:31
Speaker 1: that one of the defendants, and I believe was ever
35:34
Speaker 1: more Collier in that bond hearing, was wearing a suicide
35:37
Speaker 1: vest one. And this is the law, black and white
35:42
Speaker 1: letter of the law that will be given to this jury.
35:45
Speaker 1: One may immediately regret the deed thereafter, but that does
35:49
Speaker 1: not negate the intent nor the act at the time
35:52
Speaker 1: of the offense. Agree, disagree, Agree. I mean, there's we
35:57
Speaker 1: don't look at a case and say you still felt
35:59
Speaker 1: bad about it later, so it doesn't matter. It's what
36:01
Speaker 1: you did in the moment. And to the point we
36:03
Speaker 1: just made clearly they didn't feel bad afterwards. They went
36:07
Speaker 1: out and could a party need. Thank you, Kim. He's
36:11
Speaker 1: crying now, but he wasn't crying in that liquor store,
36:13
Speaker 1: that photo bomb. We wait as justice unfolds. To all
36:17
Speaker 1: of you spring Breakers, if you have video, if you
36:20
Speaker 1: have pictures, look at them. Tell us what you can find.
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Speaker 1: Call one eight hundred six five six hope one eight
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Speaker 1: hundred and six five six four six seven three. We
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Speaker 1: wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace crime Story signing off,
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Speaker 1: goodbye friend