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The Kenny Report | 14 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying You Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me again.
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  Speaker 3: Tonight, tensions between Jewish residents and anti Israel protesters flare
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  Speaker 3: up as police are called to a Sydney council meeting.
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  Speaker 3: This as Peter Dutton says it's time to stop all
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  Speaker 3: refugee arrivals from Gaza. Pauline Hanson and Zoe Mackenzie joined
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  Speaker 3: me live. Australia's immigration intake tops one point one five
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  Speaker 3: million since Labor took power. I'll ask economist Leith van
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  Speaker 3: Onslan whether that's sustainable. Doctors go to Canberra and try
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  Speaker 3: to convince us that fossil fuels are a health hazard.
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  Speaker 3: I'll explain why this is nuts. All that and so
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  Speaker 3: much more with Michaulia Cash on the CFM e U
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  Speaker 3: Stauche and the Wednesday rangle on the push for our
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  Speaker 3: Digital ID.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: We've talked a lot this week about refugees from Gaza
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  Speaker 3: coming into this country and the astonishing revelation from the
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  Speaker 3: Director General of ASIO, Mike Burgess that Palestinians could be
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  Speaker 3: accepted from Gaza even if they support the bloodthirsty Islamist
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  Speaker 3: extremist terrorist organization of Hummas that runs Gaza and conducted
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  Speaker 3: the atrocity that slaughtered more than twelve hundred Israelis and
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  Speaker 3: triggered the current war.
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  Speaker 4: If they're giving financial support or material aid, that can
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  Speaker 4: be a problem, and obviously we take each case on
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  Speaker 4: its merits and context of the information we have before us.
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  Speaker 4: But if it's just rhetorical support, if it's just rhetorical
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  Speaker 4: re support, and they don't have an ideology or support
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  Speaker 4: for a violent extream as an ideology, then that's not
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  Speaker 4: a problem.
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  Speaker 2: Just incredible.
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  Speaker 3: And that story developed further yesterday when I showed you
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  Speaker 3: how senior liberals were demanding the government guarantee that this
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  Speaker 3: does not happen, that supporters of Hummus would never be
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  Speaker 3: allowed into this country.
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  Speaker 2: We're seeing this at a time when countries like German
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  Speaker 2: me a like.
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  Speaker 3: Minded country to Australia, is expelling hamas supporters.
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  Speaker 5: The Department needs to be directed to not approve the
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  Speaker 5: visa of any person who can be identified to be
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  Speaker 5: as a supporter of a terrorist organization.
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  Speaker 3: Well that was all fair enough, of course, but this
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  Speaker 3: morning Opposition leader Peter Dutton took all ambiguity out of
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  Speaker 3: the matter, demanding at least a temporary end to the
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  Speaker 3: Gaza refugee intake.
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  Speaker 6: If people are coming in from that war zone and
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  Speaker 6: we're uncertain about identity all their allegiances, but Hamas is
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  Speaker 6: a listed terrorist organization. They've just committed an atrocity against
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  Speaker 6: the Jewish people, the biggest attack on people of Jewish
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  Speaker 6: baith since a Holocaust, and that the government wouldn't be
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  Speaker 6: conducting Czechs. I don't think people should be coming in
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  Speaker 6: from that warzone at all.
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  Speaker 3: That's a clear and strong call and it immediately triggered
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  Speaker 3: a motive rebukes from Labor.
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  Speaker 5: And I'd invite Peter Dutton to come to my electorate
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  Speaker 5: and meet the people who've come here from Gaza. There's
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  Speaker 5: more than a thousand people from Gaza here.
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  Speaker 7: Now.
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  Speaker 5: These are people who've had their home blown up, who've
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  Speaker 5: had their school blown up, who've had their hospital blown up,
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  Speaker 5: in some cases have had their kids blown up.
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  Speaker 3: To underline its position, Labor released figures showing that it's
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  Speaker 3: issued almost three thousand visas to Palestinians since October the
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  Speaker 3: seventh last year, and about thirteen hundred of them have
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  Speaker 3: arrived here. But it's also rejected more applications than that,
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  Speaker 3: many more than that, mainly because the applicants can't get
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  Speaker 3: out of Gaza. These are pretty big numbers and it
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  Speaker 3: is legitimate to ask why Australia is taking refugees from
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  Speaker 3: Gaza when the countries that have been the traditional homelands
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  Speaker 3: of the Palestinians, like Egypt and Jordan, are not taking refugees.
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  Speaker 3: The priority surely should be defeating Humas, returning Israeli hostages,
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  Speaker 3: and liberating the Palestinians from their terrorist overlords. Not evacuating them.
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  Speaker 3: Is thank you dominated question time.
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 6: In order to hold a visa, individuals must pass a
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  Speaker 6: character test. Does supporting a listed terrorist organization like Hamas
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  Speaker 6: pass Australia's character test?
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  Speaker 8: If the leader of the Opposition doesn't have confidence in
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  Speaker 8: that system, he should say so. It's exactly the same
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  Speaker 8: system that was in place when the leader of the
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  Speaker 8: Opposition was the Minister for Immigration who presided over these issues.
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  Speaker 3: The Prime Minister accused the opposition leader of seeking to
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  Speaker 3: divide the nation. Still, the questions kept coming, as did
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  Speaker 3: the non answers.
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  Speaker 9: Can the Prime Minister guarantee that no individual who participated
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  Speaker 9: in or supported the October seven Hamas terror attacks, the
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  Speaker 9: worst mass murder of Jews since the Holocaust, has been
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  Speaker 9: granted a visa by his government.
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  Speaker 8: As we have exactly the same security that were in
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  Speaker 8: place when you were in government, when your leader was
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  Speaker 8: not your leader, but the leader of the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 8: was the Minister for Immigration, and I have confidence in
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  Speaker 8: the work that our security agencies do. They worked their guts.
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  Speaker 4: Out to keith us safe.
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  Speaker 3: While the politics plays out in Parliament, the social division
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  Speaker 3: caused by this issue played out in Sydney's Inner West
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  Speaker 3: last night, when the local council met to consider a
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  Speaker 3: Green's anti Israel motion supporting Boycott's investments and sanctions against Israel,
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  Speaker 3: and the protest was organized to coincide with that vote.
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  Speaker 3: The meeting went for almost four hours, with interjections and
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  Speaker 3: interruptions from the public gallery as the Labor mayor struggled
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  Speaker 3: to maintain control.
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  Speaker 8: Shame on Labor, shame you made your decision tonight.
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  Speaker 2: You made your decision.
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  Speaker 10: We'll feel at the election you're getting back in.
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  Speaker 3: Jewish residents spoke and reportedly were shouted down as pro
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  Speaker 3: Palestinian protesters, some involved in the blockade of the Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister's nearby electorate office shouted down opponents of the motion.
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  Speaker 2: The mayor eventually shut down the meeting.
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  Speaker 6: I note that the police have been called.
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  Speaker 9: It's obviously impossible to proceed with the meeting and the
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  Speaker 9: meeting will need to be abandoned due to safety concerns.
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  Speaker 8: Our last counselors to clear the chamber.
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  Speaker 3: Once more, the pro Palestinian and anti Israel movement looks
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  Speaker 3: more like ugly anti Semitism, which is why the issue
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  Speaker 3: of gars and refugees and security checks is not just
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  Speaker 3: about politics but about national security and social cohesion. And
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  Speaker 3: it makes another comment from the AZO boss look like
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  Speaker 3: an irresponsible attempt at keeping everybody happy.
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  Speaker 4: In terms of where this is going, it's across the board. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: there's plenty of anti Semitism, but there's plenty of Islamophobia
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  Speaker 4: at the same time. It's kind of an almost equal treatment,
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  Speaker 4: not quite but almost equal treatment.
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  Speaker 3: Really, no one seriously believes that the evidence is there
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  Speaker 3: for everyone to see.
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  Speaker 2: These issues are not going to go away.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, they are intensifying, and the AZO boss has
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  Speaker 3: only added to the confusion and the concerns. I've been
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  Speaker 3: saying it for ten months now, but it's absolutely crucial
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  Speaker 3: that the Prime Minister shows some leadership here. It needs
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  Speaker 3: to be rebuking anti Semitism and hate preaching. His ambivalence
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  Speaker 3: and moral equivalents is fueling rather than quelling, the social
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  Speaker 3: tensions in this country. Incredibly, a bunch of doctors went
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  Speaker 3: to Canberra today to protest against fossil fuels. Never mind
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  Speaker 3: that they probably got there thanks to fossil fuels. Never
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  Speaker 3: mind their whole lives and professions have been built on
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  Speaker 3: fossil fuels and the products and energy that they produce.
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  Speaker 3: They were there, they were today. They were running their
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  Speaker 3: political campaign to tell us that fossil fuels are a
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  Speaker 3: health hazard. And even more incredible was the Assistant Health Minister,
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  Speaker 3: Jed Carney. She was there to help launch their report.
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  Speaker 3: There were no new facts in this report, really just
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  Speaker 3: to pull together of all sorts of information from all
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  Speaker 3: sorts of sources. It's called Fossil fuels are a health
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  Speaker 3: Hazard and it contains a range of claims and recommend
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  Speaker 3: We would be showing it to you now, we've got
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  Speaker 3: some trouble with our graphics and I'll just read out
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  Speaker 3: what's in this report and what highlights the thrust of it.
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  Speaker 3: Fossil fuels are the primary drivers, they say, of global
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  Speaker 3: heating and climate change, well recognized as the greatest public
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  Speaker 3: health threat facing humanity, but it also cites air pollution
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  Speaker 3: and talks about cancer and heart problems and lung disease
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  Speaker 3: as consequences of fossil fuels, And of course the alarmist
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  Speaker 3: claims are given prominent publicity without any questioning or skepticism
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  Speaker 3: from the taxpayer funded media.
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  Speaker 4: Phasing out of fossil fuels, scrapping of fossil fuel subsidies,
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  Speaker 4: and a ban on fossil fuel advertising.
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  Speaker 9: Rachel Hater reports.
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  Speaker 10: Most of us know by now that smoking kills, but
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  Speaker 10: today doctors are adding to that message.
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  Speaker 2: Smoke kills.
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  Speaker 11: Whether it's coming from a cigarette, a car exhaust, or
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  Speaker 11: a coal mine, it gets in twellungs and bloodstreams and
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  Speaker 11: causes disease, disability, and death.
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  Speaker 3: Now, this is extraordinarily naive and misleading stuff from these
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  Speaker 3: doctors and the politicians and the journalists who amplify their claims,
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  Speaker 3: because there is nothing that has been more important in
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  Speaker 3: underpinning our prosperity, our technology, and good health in modern
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  Speaker 3: civilization than fossil fuels. It's the abundant energy from fossil fuels,
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  Speaker 3: the building materials made through the burning of fossil fuels,
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  Speaker 3: the transport driven by fossil fuels, and the plastics made
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  Speaker 3: from fossil fuels that provide us with housing, with workplaces,
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  Speaker 3: schools and hospitals, food heating, cooling and lighting, our medical
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  Speaker 3: technology and drugs and life saving machines, our prosperity and
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  Speaker 3: food production, and transport systems, you name it. Everything that's
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  Speaker 3: created modern civilization has occurred on the back of fossil fuels.
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  Speaker 3: Yet this mob say fuels are a health hazard. This
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  Speaker 3: planet has never had more people living better lives than
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  Speaker 3: they are right now, largely thanks to fossil fuels.
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  Speaker 2: That's unarguable.
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  Speaker 3: Even though the global population has soared, global poverty has
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  Speaker 3: been halved just in recent decades, and our healthcare and nutrition,
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  Speaker 3: both fueled by fossil fuels, have seen global life expectancy
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  Speaker 3: continue to rise to pre pre COVID age that was
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  Speaker 3: the highest ever and which is set to rise another
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  Speaker 3: five years to seventy eight in coming decades. That's globally,
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  Speaker 3: of course, it's already much higher than that here, and
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  Speaker 3: on top of all that, there are now more kids
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  Speaker 3: getting a proper education than ever before, with fifty million
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  Speaker 3: more girls alone getting to school in the past two decades.
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  Speaker 3: All of this built on the back of fossil fuels
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  Speaker 3: and the energy and resources they produce, which of course
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  Speaker 3: ensures we have the steel and plastic for sheltered machinery,
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  Speaker 3: appliances and tools. So how can doctors possibly say that
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  Speaker 3: fossil fuels are a health hazard? How many lives are sustained, saved, enabled,
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  Speaker 3: and extended every day thanks to fossil fuels. Well, the
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  Speaker 3: answer is all of them, really, So you can say
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  Speaker 3: about eight billion, but in terms of crucial emergencies, there'll
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  Speaker 3: be thousands of lives saved every day as people are
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  Speaker 3: ferried by petrol fueled ambulances and jet propelled emergency flights,
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  Speaker 3: and they're saved in coal powered operating theaters, and they're
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  Speaker 3: kept alive by other electric machinery manufactured from metals that
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  Speaker 3: are smelted and plastics that are fabricated from fossil fuels.
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  Speaker 3: In net terms, it is just a nonsense to describe fossil.
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  Speaker 2: Fuels as a health hazard.
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  Speaker 3: Yet this mob of doctors for the environment want all
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  Speaker 3: fossil fuels banned patently a ludicrous proposition that would plunge
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  Speaker 3: the world into chaos, poverty, and poor health. It goes
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  Speaker 3: to show just how much inanity there is in public
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  Speaker 3: debate right now. These people ignore the science, the engineering,
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  Speaker 3: the facts, and the reality and they go with emotive,
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  Speaker 3: politically charged retoric that frightens people and holds back progress.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, the Greens and the Teals are all in
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  Speaker 3: in this, all in on this mindless nonsense. But don't
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  Speaker 3: forget the alb and easy Labor government shared a platform
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  Speaker 3: with them and tried to lend credibility to this embarrassing effort.
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  Speaker 3: Unless we get some adults running the show, this country
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  Speaker 3: will soon face difficulties that make our current cost of
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  Speaker 3: living crisis seem like a doddle. Just on electricity costs
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  Speaker 3: and the so called transition to renewable energy. Let's look
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  Speaker 3: at how now it's going from one company that burns
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  Speaker 3: a lot of coal for now but talks a big
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  Speaker 3: game on transitioning to renewables and climate action and all
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  Speaker 3: the rest of it. In fact, agl's major shareholder is
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  Speaker 3: tech billionaire Mike cannon Brooks, who controversially took control of
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  Speaker 3: the company precisely to push these renewable plans well. The
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  Speaker 3: past year has worked out pretty well for canon Brooks
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  Speaker 3: and AGL. Their share price was up today on the
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  Speaker 3: back of profits that have soared over the past year,
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  Speaker 3: with The Canberra Times reporting that high electricity prices, fewer
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  Speaker 3: outages and government relief on power bills have generated a
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  Speaker 3: stellar rise in AGL Energy's annual profit. Australia's biggest energy company,
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  Speaker 3: on Wednesday posted an underlying net profit of eight hundred
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  Speaker 3: and twelve million dollars for the year, up one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and eighty nine percent, while underlying earnings rows sixty three
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  Speaker 3: percent to two point two billion dollars. Yeah, those high
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  Speaker 3: power prices that make life tough for you and for
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  Speaker 3: small businesses, they're not too bad for large energy energy companies,
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  Speaker 3: are they. The Australian Financial Review notes that ag Energy
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  Speaker 3: scored its core profit almost trebled actually because of the
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  Speaker 3: approved performance of its power stations and higher electricity prices.
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  Speaker 2: They reckon it might not be replicated next year. We
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  Speaker 2: will see.
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  Speaker 3: They wouldn't want to predict too much, now, would they,
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  Speaker 3: given they're spending more money on unreliable renewable so maybe
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  Speaker 3: their profits won't go up again next year. I only
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  Speaker 3: wish we could say the same about our power prices,
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  Speaker 3: because they're bound to continue to rise so long as
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  Speaker 3: our national energy self harm continues. Now, it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 3: how much spin the mainly leftist mainstream media puts up,
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  Speaker 3: or how much they've pad each other on the back
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  Speaker 3: and convince each other that they're the great and objective
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  Speaker 3: arbiters of truth.
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  Speaker 2: The public has a habit.
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  Speaker 3: Of seeing through all this, and I want to share
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  Speaker 3: a lovely example of this with you. In the US,
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  Speaker 3: the lefty TV host Stephen Colbert was interviewing a TV
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  Speaker 3: journalist from the lefty Trump hating Democrat boosting CNN. They
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  Speaker 3: were talking about how Trump was going against Kamala Harris,
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  Speaker 3: and Colbert said something that he thought was serious, but
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  Speaker 3: even his audience thought it was a joke.
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  Speaker 12: I know you guys are objective over there that you
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  Speaker 12: just report the news as it is.
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  Speaker 13: Oh, I know a CNN makes it, and I know
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  Speaker 13: that's supposed to be a livelight. It wasn't supposed to be,
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  Speaker 13: but I guess it is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't meant to be a laugh line, but
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  Speaker 3: it sure was. It's kind of assuring, isn't it to
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  Speaker 3: see how people are onto this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to Camber now and catch up with One
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  Speaker 2: Nation leader Pauline Hanson. Pauline, thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of controversy over Peter Dutton saying we should
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  Speaker 3: put an end to the intake of refugees from Gaza
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  Speaker 3: on tipping.
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  Speaker 2: You probably agree with him though.
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  Speaker 14: I totally agree with him and his questions on the
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  Speaker 14: Flora Parliament are very valid and they should be USD.
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  Speaker 14: But you notice that Anthony Elbnezi good answer the questions
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  Speaker 14: and to say that it's the same laws that when
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  Speaker 14: the coalition. We're in different circumstances. Chris, of course you've
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  Speaker 14: got war over there the Gaza and Israel. The fact
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  Speaker 14: is that seventy five percent of the people and the
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  Speaker 14: Gaza support a TAMAS, which is recognized terrorist organization. So
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  Speaker 14: when they're actually going to bring them out, nearly three
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  Speaker 14: thousand people applied for visas to actually come out to Australia,
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  Speaker 14: we don't know what their background is and it's only
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  Speaker 14: purely based on documentation that they've filled out because not
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  Speaker 14: investigations can't be done into their birth, death, deaths and marriages.
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  Speaker 13: Who they are.
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  Speaker 14: So we are actually bringing people over here. We have
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  Speaker 14: no understanding. That's another thing to consider too. Those people
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  Speaker 14: once they land in Australia, will they claim refugee status,
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  Speaker 14: So then we have stuck with them and we don't
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  Speaker 14: know the backgrounds. I think we shouldn't be taking any
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  Speaker 14: of them. They should be going to a safe haven,
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  Speaker 14: a country closest to them. But a lot of these
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  Speaker 14: countries don't want them either, so we shouldn't be taking
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  Speaker 14: these people into Australia. I have fear for the nation
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  Speaker 14: and bring the unknown counties into the country. We don't
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  Speaker 14: know who they are, who they support terrorist organizations. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 14: I don't want them here.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there are a couple of points here. One is
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  Speaker 3: you make the point about the neighboring nations. Yeah, this
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  Speaker 3: is incredible. Jordan, which is the traditional homeland of Palestinians, Egypt,
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  Speaker 3: which used to hold the Gaza Strip, and these are
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  Speaker 3: the countries that should be looking after Palestinians.
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  Speaker 2: They take no one.
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  Speaker 3: So it's fair to ask the question why Australia is
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  Speaker 3: the destination. But the other issue is we learned in
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  Speaker 3: the response from the government today from Tony Burke that
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  Speaker 3: the only security check here.
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  Speaker 2: He points to is AZIO.
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  Speaker 3: Checking people against a checklist, and that's clearly inadequate. We're
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  Speaker 3: talking about people coming from an area where Gaza was
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  Speaker 3: elected by seventy percent of the population, where Gaza, sorry,
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  Speaker 3: Wherehamas have been the government, the ruling authority there. So
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  Speaker 3: surely anyone coming from Gaza should be subjected to individual
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  Speaker 3: assessment and scrutiny.
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  Speaker 14: It should be, and that's one of the visa applications,
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  Speaker 14: So should our character tests. Have they been imprisoned? It's
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  Speaker 14: all and signing an agreement to agree with Australia's laws
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  Speaker 14: and all the rest of it. But that cannot be done, Chris.
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  Speaker 14: Some of these people receive their visas within twenty four
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  Speaker 14: hours or forty eight hours. It cannot and not possibly
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  Speaker 14: be done correctly to.
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  Speaker 13: Comply with the rules that it's needed.
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  Speaker 14: So this has been rushed through by the Albanesi Labor
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  Speaker 14: government and it's not in the best interest of this
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  Speaker 14: trained people.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the other aspect of this is something I went
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  Speaker 3: strong on on Monday because I was astounded by it,
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  Speaker 3: and that is our ASIO boss, Mike Burgess saying it
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  Speaker 3: will be okay to allow in people who only had
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  Speaker 3: rhetorical support for Hummaus. Now this is extraordinary. We should
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  Speaker 3: not be letting anyone into the country who supports Hummas
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  Speaker 3: in any way, shape or form. And I think the
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  Speaker 3: Liberals asked a very good question in Parliament today saying,
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  Speaker 3: surely Afe offerings rhetorical support to Harmas, aren't you failing
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  Speaker 3: the character test to get into this country?
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  Speaker 14: Exactly right, And that's exactly what I said. They've got
• 20:27
  Speaker 14: to pass a character test and that is not a
• 20:29
  Speaker 14: character test that can be passed in Australia. We have
• 20:32
  Speaker 14: enough problems here, you know, they've gone from possible to
• 20:36
  Speaker 14: probable in a terror threat in Australia. Why are we
• 20:40
  Speaker 14: opening up this? You know could actually end up down
• 20:43
  Speaker 14: the path of more problems here. We have, you know,
• 20:46
  Speaker 14: protesters here in Australia for the Palestinians, for Hermas, supporting Hermas.
• 20:51
  Speaker 14: We don't need more of these people in here. And
• 20:54
  Speaker 14: I'm sorry, I'm telling Strands, I support Peter Dutton. We
• 20:57
  Speaker 14: don't want them, we don't need them. We shouldn't be
• 21:00
  Speaker 14: allowing them in. So what is the deals that it's
• 21:03
  Speaker 14: been going on with the Labor Party in the Greens
• 21:05
  Speaker 14: pushing this agenda because they're not standing up for what
• 21:09
  Speaker 14: it's right for Australia.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Well, Anthony Albernezi and the Labor Party are just showing
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: no leadership here at whatsoever.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Into that vacuum has stepped Peter Dutton. Thanks for joining us, Pauline,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: I want to stay in Canberra now and go to
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: the Liberal MP for Flinders in Melbourne, that is Zoe Mackenzie.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: She's been in Parliament today of course. Thanks for joining us, Zoe.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: I want to get onto Naplan results with you in
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: just a moment, because that's very concerning.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: For the country.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: But when it comes to this issue that's been dominating
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: the day guards and refugees, whether people can support Hamas's
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: still come into this country. Last week's comments from Mike
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Burgess about anti Semitism being equated in this country with
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: similar levels of Islamophobia, Surely it must be getting close
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: to the time where the Coalition expresses a lack of
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: faith in Mike Burgess because these are two I think
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: gross errors in at least his public communication from the
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Director General of Asia.
• 22:06
  Speaker 13: No look, I think Mike was quite clear on the weekend.
• 22:08
  Speaker 10: He gave an extensive interview about the current state of Affairs.
• 22:12
  Speaker 10: He was quite clear about why we needed to lift
• 22:15
  Speaker 10: the terror threat in the country and also the contributing
• 22:18
  Speaker 10: factors to that, of which current geopolitical unease was one
• 22:23
  Speaker 10: of them. So no, I would not suggest that there
• 22:25
  Speaker 10: is an expression of yeah, well, I.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Know politically, I know politically that's a difficult call to make.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: But this is a bloke who said it's all right
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: to come into this country if you support Hamas, and
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: he's also said that there's almost as much Islamophobia in
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: this country as there is anti Semitism, and that they're
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: worrying calls maybe you should do fewer.
• 22:44
  Speaker 10: In the data is definitely that, Yeah, the data is
• 22:47
  Speaker 10: definitely that there has been significantly more anti semitism in
• 22:51
  Speaker 10: terms of what we've seen particlarly on the streets. That's
• 22:54
  Speaker 10: been quite clear in the data that I have seen
• 22:55
  Speaker 10: from our absolute agencies exactly. But I think, you know,
• 22:59
  Speaker 10: I think they are right to point out that we
• 23:02
  Speaker 10: are in a difficult climate lift the terror threat where
• 23:06
  Speaker 10: right will change our contact as a result, and to
• 23:08
  Speaker 10: look at the issuance of visas to people from a
• 23:13
  Speaker 10: war zone through that prism, we must be careful, we
• 23:16
  Speaker 10: must do the appropriate tests. I asked the question today
• 23:18
  Speaker 10: whether there have been any in person interviews. Tony Burke
• 23:21
  Speaker 10: pretty much laughed at the suggestion off even though we
• 23:24
  Speaker 10: know people have come here on temporary visas and those
• 23:26
  Speaker 10: visas are being transitioned to more permanent arrangements. That's where
• 23:30
  Speaker 10: you need to do the checks and balances to make
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: sure that we're keeping austral In safe.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and everything is suggesting this is not happening at
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: a moment. It's a real worry.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Let's get to NAPLAM because this is a great worry
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: for the future of the country as well. Up to
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: a third of young people not actually meeting the minimums
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: required standard in our schools.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Now, this is not just about schools.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: This is not about school bashing and teacher bashing and
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: party politics is obviously families and parents have a huge
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: role to play here, but this is a country going
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: backwards on education standards.
• 24:01
  Speaker 10: It is, and it's exactly what we saw earlier this
• 24:03
  Speaker 10: year with the PISA results as well. So across the
• 24:06
  Speaker 10: board we are dropping twenty years ago to now. We
• 24:08
  Speaker 10: are in a significantly worse off position. Ten percent of
• 24:11
  Speaker 10: young people are struggling and need intervention. To get ahead
• 24:15
  Speaker 10: one third below the national proficiency standards. It's emergency a
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: clock in terms of education. Interestingly, when asked about it
• 24:23
  Speaker 10: today by his own side, Jason Clair went off talking
• 24:25
  Speaker 10: about funding. It's not just about funding, it's about quality teaching.
• 24:30
  Speaker 10: It's about teaching methodology. You know a couple about a
• 24:33
  Speaker 10: year ago, I went to see Baxter Primary and my
• 24:35
  Speaker 10: electorate where they're doing direct instruction focusing on phonics and
• 24:38
  Speaker 10: getting fantastic results. That's what it takes a school that
• 24:41
  Speaker 10: wants to get back to basics, who wants to apply
• 24:44
  Speaker 10: a proper methodology to learning, not this sounding out the
• 24:47
  Speaker 10: word thing. The phonics, the proper phonics approach to learning,
• 24:50
  Speaker 10: and that's showing great results across my electric where it
• 24:53
  Speaker 10: is being applied. We must get back to basics. It's
• 24:57
  Speaker 10: and we must also be smart about the use of technology.
• 25:00
  Speaker 10: The other thing the OECD showed in its piece of
• 25:02
  Speaker 10: results is more than two hours of technology for entertainment today,
• 25:06
  Speaker 10: the academic performance goes off. So we need to be
• 25:10
  Speaker 10: honest about the effect that too much entertainment technology is
• 25:14
  Speaker 10: having in young people's lives as well.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Couldn't agree with you more. Get rid of the devices
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: and get back to phonics. But there's a lot of work,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of work got to happen to make sure
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: that happens right across the country. Thanks for joining us.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Zoey Mackenzie. They're live from Canberra. We
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: got to get to a break. On the other side,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: I'm going to dip more into this immigration issue. The
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: huge numbers in Australia have got to be a concern
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: when it comes to inflation and the housing crisis in
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: this country.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Don't go away.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: I want to get back to the bigger picture of
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: immigration and the astonishing figures that show that since labor
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: came to power, one point one five million people have
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: come into this country one point one five million immigrants.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: That is a record the highest levels of immigration this
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: country's ever seen. Let's catch up with Macro Business chief
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: economist Leith van Onsel and joining me live from Melbourne.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Thanks for talking to us.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Leith, you take a bigger interest in these immigration issues
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: than most economists, and you have a different line about
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: it because we always hear from economists and politicians that
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: immigration is good for our economy and we understand that,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: but it depends at what level, doesn't it, And especially
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: with a housing crisis and a cost of living crisis,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: are these numbers too high at the moment?
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, Chris. I think Labor has lost control of the
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: border to be quite frank. I mean, in Labour's first
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: federal budget in October twenty twenty two, it forecasts that
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: net overseas migration would be four hundred and seventy thousand
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: over its first two years. Instead, we've had net overseas
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: migration around a million, So it means it's basically double
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: what Labor thought and as a result, that is the
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: primary driver of why we have a rental crisis around
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: the country, because we're allowed in an extra five hundred
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: thousand people roughly, and that's we haven't built enough houses
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: for them. Obviously, can't do that when you have such
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: high numbers. And unfortunately, Chris, the data that we've received
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: so far this year suggests that net overseas migration hasn't
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: come down much, if at all. So for the first
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: five months of this year, according to the monthly net
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: Permanent Long Term Arrivals data, which is a proxy for
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: dead overseas migration, we had two hundred and forty three
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: thousand net arrivals in the first five months, and that's
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: up from around two hundred and eight thousand last year,
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: which was a record year obviously, and that's up from
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: about one hundred and fifty in twenty nineteen just before
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: the pandemic hits. So the numbers are still off the charts.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: They are off the chart now and we know that
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: because Labor admits it. Even as you say labor have
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: promised to reduce it, they would have pretty much have.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: The immigration rate that we've got at the moment.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: And disturbing to hear you say they're they're making no
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: inroads and doing that. I like to talk about last
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: year to give people a concept of the numbers, when
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: we added in net terms, about five hundred thousand people
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: to this country. Fifty Yeah, that's the population of Tasmania.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: We added Tasmania to the country in one year. As
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: clearly unsustainable and what does my head in we've done
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: all that, We've had such high levels of immigration leaf
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: yet we've still got a skills crisis, so obviously not
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: getting in the people that we need.
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: That's right. See, Unfortunately we run what's called well what
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: I call a whack a mole migration system. So we
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: try and solve one problem by bringing in people. Often
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: the people we bring in then don't work in the
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: area that they're supposed to do, and then you just
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: create other problems. So, you know, the latest one is
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: we need to bring in a whole bunch of builders
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: to help build homes to keep up with this massive
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: immigration that we've got. That's all well and good, but
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: even if we did that, can you imagine if you
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: brought in, say half a million builders, Well, then you're
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: going to create shortages in healthcare and all these other
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: areas because of those builders are going to need houses themselves,
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: but also all these other things. And then the solution
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: then will be to bringing more people for that and
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: then all these other areas, and then you end up
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: with a building shortage again. So you know, the whole
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: system just really needs to be cut right back. We
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: need to lower immigration to a level that's commensurate with
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: the name's ability to build homes and infrastructure. We also
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: need to make sure that it's very highly skilled and
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: these sorts of skills that we can't create domestically. That's
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: the sort of immigration we need. Unfortunately, it's sort of
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: quantity over quality migration system.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: It's a worry and another issue will keep track of.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: I just want to get your thoughts too on the
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: wage growth stats from yesterday. Obviously concerning there that a
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: lot of the wage growth is actually coming through public
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: servants or private providers to large government schemes like the NDIS. So,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: in fact, while wages are going up, it's all of
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: us tax payers who seem to be fueling a certain
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: sector of wage journers.
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right. Well, I mean that the public sector
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: wage growth was zero point nine percent for the quarter,
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: and that was actually slightly below the inflation rate, so
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: they're still going backwards. It's also worth pointing out that
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: the public sector wages have actually grown slightly less than
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: private sector since the pandemic began. The bigger problem, Cris,
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: is that we have a private sector economy that's effectively
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: in recession, and the entire economy has been held up
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: by public spending. So, just to put some numbers around that,
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: the private sector, the market sector is what economists call it,
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: increased jobs of only six thousand in the last year
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: in a population increase of six hundred and fifty thousand,
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: and all of Australia's jobs growth pretty much came from
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: them from government a line sectors, so that's pretty unsustainable
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: if you asked me. And a lot of that's related
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: to obviously the NDIS and hcaspinion, and that's obviously taxpayer
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: funded and not particularly sustainable.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: All these numbers on immigration and wages show that there's
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: a reckoning ahead and we haven't started to tackle some
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: of these big issues.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, Leith, I appreciate it,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Leith Fan once on their live from Melbourne. We've got
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: to go to a break. On the other side of that,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: I'm going to check.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: In on their CEFMU bill where the Labor can get
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: that through Parliament. That lives want some changes and also
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: another disgraceful pro Palestinian protests in Sydney. Let's go to
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Canberra again and catch up with the Shadow Workplace Relations
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Minister Michaulia.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. Michaulia.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: You're trying to wrestle with this CFMEU legislation. The Labor
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: wants it through. It's battling with the Greens as well
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: as the Coalition. You've put up some changes today that
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: you'd say make the bill better from the coalition's point
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: of view. One of those is to ensure that the
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: CFMEU is put under it an administratia for administrator for
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: a full three years.
• 31:24
  Speaker 15: It's going to take a long time to clean up
• 31:27
  Speaker 15: Labor's mess, Chris. So let's remember this is a mess
• 31:31
  Speaker 15: of Labour's own making, and they are misleading the Australian
• 31:35
  Speaker 15: people to say that the legislation in its current form
• 31:39
  Speaker 15: will clean up the CFMU.
• 31:41
  Speaker 13: Chris.
• 31:41
  Speaker 15: The legislation is there for all to see. You could
• 31:44
  Speaker 15: drive a truck through it. In fact, I honestly thought
• 31:47
  Speaker 15: it was drafted by the CFMEU for the CFMEU.
• 31:51
  Speaker 13: So I have made it very clear there are.
• 31:54
  Speaker 15: Twenty amendments that I have worked through with stakeholders that
• 31:58
  Speaker 15: if the government is prepared to accept and implement all
• 32:03
  Speaker 15: of those amendments, we can move this matter forward. So
• 32:07
  Speaker 15: this is now a test for Prime Minister Albanese. Is
• 32:11
  Speaker 15: he dicome about cleaning up the miss his government created
• 32:17
  Speaker 15: or are we just going to get more weasel words.
• 32:21
  Speaker 15: The ball is now in mister Albanese's court. There are
• 32:25
  Speaker 15: twenty amendments. He needs to instruct his minister accept the amendments.
• 32:30
  Speaker 15: Draft them, pass them through the Parliament and then we
• 32:34
  Speaker 15: can move forward.
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Well, Labors certainly either got to do that or give
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: good reason as to what's wrong with the amendments.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: So we'll follow that this is.
• 32:42
  Speaker 15: Chris, but that these are reasonable amendments. And if the
• 32:45
  Speaker 15: Labor Party is not prepared to accept, why there should
• 32:49
  Speaker 15: be a ban on political donations, why there should not
• 32:52
  Speaker 15: be an order to appointed to follow the money, Why
• 32:56
  Speaker 15: there should not be a fit and proper person test,
• 32:59
  Speaker 15: why the admit illustration should not be for a minimum.
• 33:02
  Speaker 13: Period of time.
• 33:03
  Speaker 15: We're talking about cleaning up organized crime, then it is
• 33:06
  Speaker 15: for mister Alberanzia's Prime minister to justify that to the
• 33:10
  Speaker 15: Australian people.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: I've got to quickly get your thoughts on another issue.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: We've talked a lot about what Peter Dutton has said
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: when it comes to refugees from Gaza not risking that
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: in this country for now. Predictably, all sorts of allegations
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: have been leveled against him now, including racism and dog whistling.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Here's the till, Senator, if you like David Pocock.
• 33:33
  Speaker 14: Well, I think if you're a Palatin in Australia, you'd
• 33:35
  Speaker 14: be saying yes, yes, you're saying that I am worth
• 33:38
  Speaker 14: less than a Ukrainian than an Afghan.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: These are the sorts of accusations being made now Michaulia Cash.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Why is this a fair and reasonable position?
• 33:49
  Speaker 15: Because Hamas is a listed terrorist organization. They have committed
• 33:54
  Speaker 15: an atrocity the lust of which we were seen in
• 33:57
  Speaker 15: the Holocaust. You don't have to like paid Dutton, but
• 34:00
  Speaker 15: my god, you know what Peter Dutton stands for. He
• 34:04
  Speaker 15: will always put Australia and Australians first. And if that
• 34:08
  Speaker 15: means saying there needs to be a pause on people
• 34:11
  Speaker 15: coming in from Gaza, Palestinian people coming in from Gaza,
• 34:16
  Speaker 15: if there needs to be a pause until the security
• 34:19
  Speaker 15: situation stabilizes and we can be guaranteed that the appropriate
• 34:24
  Speaker 15: checks are being undertaken with, then I'm backing Peter Dutton
• 34:28
  Speaker 15: every step of the way. And shame on our Prime
• 34:31
  Speaker 15: Minister for not being able to stand up and tell
• 34:35
  Speaker 15: the Australian people that there will be no Hummus supporters
• 34:39
  Speaker 15: coming to this country under labor you don't get to
• 34:43
  Speaker 15: play with national security. Chris is putting Australia a total guess.
• 34:49
  Speaker 15: But again, a mess of the Prime Minister's creation.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Senator, I appreciate it, MICHAELA. Cash.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: They're live from Canberra.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Honestly, Labor, I've got to do better saying that the
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: security check is to check any incoming person against an
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: asi O list. Obviously, if you're coming from Gaza, ruled
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: by Hamas ruled Bahamas for over a decade, you've got
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: to check people individually and thoroughly. Now I showed you
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: at the top of the program what happened at Sydney's
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Inner West Council when the Greens put up an anti
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Israel motion last night and protesters were organized to be there.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Have a look.
• 35:41
  Speaker 8: Shame on, Labor, shame you made your decision tonight.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: You made your decision.
• 35:48
  Speaker 16: We'll see you at the election you're.
• 35:50
  Speaker 13: Getting back in.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, ugly scenes. The police were called and the meeting
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: was eventually abandoned. Let me go to a counselor and
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: former mayor from neighboring Cumberland Council, Steve Christi, who joins
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: me on the desk.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, Steve. This is very,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: very worrying.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: How volatile is the situation in Western Sydney and other
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Greens Council is agitating.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Look, it is.
• 36:16
  Speaker 11: Very concerning and I believe the Greens counselors need to
• 36:18
  Speaker 11: stop it. You know, they're creating a dangerous situation where
• 36:22
  Speaker 11: let the representatives lives are being put in danger. What
• 36:25
  Speaker 11: we saw last night was absolutely disgraceful and I'm very
• 36:28
  Speaker 11: surprised that there was no police presence organized by the
• 36:32
  Speaker 11: mayor and the general manager beforehand. That's what should have
• 36:35
  Speaker 11: been done.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they knew there was going to be a protest there.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: They were circulating that on social media days maybe weeks ago,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: so it's surprising they wouldn't have been security arranged in
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: the first place.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Have you ever had to do that at council meetings?
• 36:48
  Speaker 11: Yes, we did have to do it a couple of times,
• 36:50
  Speaker 11: where we took the appropriate precautions and we informed the
• 36:52
  Speaker 11: local police and right police were informed. So I'm very
• 36:56
  Speaker 11: surprised that people were endangered. I'm surprised that they behavior
• 37:00
  Speaker 11: that was tolerated last night, and why were speakers allowed
• 37:03
  Speaker 11: to speak for five hours and not vetted if they
• 37:06
  Speaker 11: actually lived in the area, Like, there's no place on
• 37:08
  Speaker 11: local councils for this kind of activism. People expect their roads,
• 37:12
  Speaker 11: their rubbish, their potholes to be filled, their cleats to
• 37:16
  Speaker 11: be are their streets to be cleaned? Not debating for
• 37:19
  Speaker 11: five hours about issues over in the Middle East that
• 37:23
  Speaker 11: will not affect Australian residents or whatsoever.
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  Speaker 3: It won't change the outcome. Well that's It's not an
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  Speaker 3: isolated incident though. I want to show another example. This
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: is Bankstown Council again, the southwestern Sydney suburbs Banksdown, an
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: area where a large Muslim population, and this is featured
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  Speaker 3: in Jonathan Lee's documentary Clash of Faiths last night.
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  Speaker 2: Have a look at this.
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  Speaker 3: Free Palestine, Palestine, then.
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  Speaker 2: Just get out of the.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there were go heated scenes, now, Steve, the point
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  Speaker 3: is here people will have different issues on the Middle
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  Speaker 3: East war and I certainly go into those issues a
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: lot on this.
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  Speaker 2: Program, and people are allowed to disagree.
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  Speaker 17: But how can local government, as you say, councils it
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  Speaker 17: seems an extraordinary place to be venting these issues of
• 38:17
  Speaker 17: foreign affairs and international strategic relations.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Well, that's it. They can't.
• 38:22
  Speaker 11: Essentially, you've got a council, the Inner West Council, trying
• 38:26
  Speaker 11: to play the United Nations and impost sanctions on Jewish
• 38:29
  Speaker 11: based companies and it's not on at the end of
• 38:32
  Speaker 11: the day. What needs to happen there needs to be
• 38:34
  Speaker 11: common sense come back and people look after local issues.
• 38:38
  Speaker 11: That's what they're elected to do, not promote activism and
• 38:42
  Speaker 11: riots and disharmony amongst the local community. There's a council
• 38:46
  Speaker 11: Chris that can't even pick up its rubbish.
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  Speaker 2: Time. Let's get that sort of out first. Yea, thanks
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  Speaker 2: to joining Steve.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: I appreciate Steve Chris do their counselor from the Cumberland
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: City Council and former mayor there. We're going to get
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: into some Wednesday wrangling after this talk about those doctors
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: trying to demonize fossil fuels in Canberra. Also have a
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: look at why the left's media spin on raygun isn't
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: working with the rest of the world. Let's get into
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: the Wednesday wrangle with Liz Stura, Sky News host here
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: on the desk with me of course, and columnist and
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: broadcaster Justin Smith in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: Justin, I'm going to.
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  Speaker 3: Get your thoughts first up about these doctors I highlighted
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  Speaker 3: at the top of the program, doctors for the Environment
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  Speaker 3: going to canber telling everybody that fossil fuels are a
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: health hazard, that we're all being killed by fossil fuels.
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  Speaker 3: They just haven't noticed that the whole of civilization and
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: medical science and education and healthcare and food production is
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: what's delivered.
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  Speaker 18: This helped me prosperous society. Do you think they need
• 39:48
  Speaker 18: to most of them? You've really got that Trump talk going, well,
• 39:54
  Speaker 18: haven't you with that? I don't think the report actually
• 39:56
  Speaker 18: said we're all being killed by fossil fuels. I don't
• 39:59
  Speaker 18: think that's what a actually said. And do you not
• 40:01
  Speaker 18: want to hear about doctors from something like this? Do
• 40:05
  Speaker 18: you not think that they might know a little bit
• 40:07
  Speaker 18: than the little bit more than the three of us
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  Speaker 18: about what is a health hazard and what is it?
• 40:12
  Speaker 18: And why are we actually trying to reduce carbon emissions?
• 40:15
  Speaker 18: Then if it's not a health hazard, I mean, why
• 40:17
  Speaker 18: don't your mate Peter Dunton talking about nuclear power and
• 40:20
  Speaker 18: making us sort of like emissions free if it's not
• 40:23
  Speaker 18: actually trying to make us healthier? So what's the bloody
• 40:26
  Speaker 18: point of the whole thing?
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: I think they've demonstrated is that they don't know about science.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: They've got science degrees, but they don't understand what the
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: whole of civilization relies on, and pretending that the fossil
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: fuels are problem.
• 40:38
  Speaker 12: I think after the last four years they don't have
• 40:41
  Speaker 12: much credibility left then for doctors to come out with
• 40:44
  Speaker 12: the perfectly.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Finally let us out of our houses and stop injecting us.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Now they're saying, give up your cars and your electricity home.
• 40:54
  Speaker 12: Like honestly, and they must know, as any rational person understands,
• 40:59
  Speaker 12: if we were to quit fossil fuels any faster than
• 41:02
  Speaker 12: we are now, and that's already to our great detriment,
• 41:05
  Speaker 12: But if we were to speed up the process, the
• 41:08
  Speaker 12: economy would be in the trash, We'd all be plunged
• 41:10
  Speaker 12: into poverty.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: And there'd be massive health problems. People would die.
• 41:14
  Speaker 13: Exactly, So what do you want from us?
• 41:18
  Speaker 12: And I hope that this isn't something that the government
• 41:20
  Speaker 12: is now going to rely on and highlight in an
• 41:23
  Speaker 12: effort to put pedal to the metal.
• 41:26
  Speaker 13: The government is ready damaging measures.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: But junior minister was.
• 41:29
  Speaker 13: Us with regard to this transition.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Assistant Health Minister Jed Carney, former union leader. She was
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: there apparently, so the government is buying in the ridiculous.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: We're not doctors.
• 41:40
  Speaker 19: Yeah, and like I say, justin after the last four years,
• 41:44
  Speaker 19: I'm sorry, the same between doctors in the public has
• 41:49
  Speaker 19: been irreparably.
• 41:51
  Speaker 18: Next you're going to tell us that, well, then there
• 41:53
  Speaker 18: was a lot of crap flying around back then, wasn't there?
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Trust the friends next time.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Next you're going to be telling us we should listen
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: to Ragun because she's a doctor too, she's got a PhD.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: Now let's get onto our great mate with Paul Keating,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: a former Prime minister who's look, let's be frank, a
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: bit of a China apologist, a reasonably well informed and
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: experienced China apologist. Here's what he said about China on
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: the ABC last week.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: And when it comes to Taiwan.
• 42:23
  Speaker 20: I mean, what this is all about is the Chinese
• 42:26
  Speaker 20: laying claim to Taiwan, and the Americans are going to say, no, no,
• 42:32
  Speaker 20: we're going to keep these time when these people protected
• 42:34
  Speaker 20: even though they've got their sitting on Chinese real.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Estate, Chinese real estate virtually an open invitation China come
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: back and grab Taiwan whenever you like.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: I don't agree with Nancy Pelosi on much, but she's
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: right about Keating and that statement.
• 42:50
  Speaker 16: Have a look, well, you don't want to get my
• 42:53
  Speaker 16: description of him for saying that. That's ridiculous. It is
• 42:57
  Speaker 16: not Chinese real estate, and he should know that Taiwan
• 43:02
  Speaker 16: is Taiwan and it's of the people of Taiwan who
• 43:06
  Speaker 16: have a democracy there. I think that was a stupid statement.
• 43:10
  Speaker 16: With all, I have no idea about Keating, but I
• 43:13
  Speaker 16: think it was a stupid statement to make. And I
• 43:16
  Speaker 16: don't know what his connection is to China that he
• 43:19
  Speaker 16: would say such a thing. But it is really not
• 43:22
  Speaker 16: in the security interest of the Asian Pacific region for
• 43:28
  Speaker 16: people to talk that way.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there we go, Nancy Pelosi, she's right, But I mean, look,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: we all can understand Keating pushing back against people who
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: were cyber rattling and being too aggressive on this.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: But you want some ambiguity over this. You don't want
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: to be inviting.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: The communists buy him off just to take over Taiwan.
• 43:49
  Speaker 12: Our right stating Taiwan is China, I mean, what was
• 43:55
  Speaker 12: the men thinking? And while Pelosi opposes him but says
• 43:59
  Speaker 12: I don't know about this Keating fellow, well we do,
• 44:03
  Speaker 12: and he's spent I believe it was thirteen years on
• 44:06
  Speaker 12: the CCP payroll.
• 44:07
  Speaker 13: So while he's not been paid by.
• 44:09
  Speaker 12: Them for quite some time, it seems old habits stick hard.
• 44:14
  Speaker 12: He just can't seem to stop being this massive apologist
• 44:19
  Speaker 12: for China.
• 44:20
  Speaker 13: He's a fanboy.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Fanboy, and he's very anti American in his old age.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Can you come in and defend the former prime minister justin?
• 44:28
  Speaker 13: Oh? No, I wouldn't.
• 44:29
  Speaker 18: I don't think we should be afraid of what he's
• 44:31
  Speaker 18: got to say. I think we should be able to
• 44:32
  Speaker 18: hear from him. But I'm actually thinking there was a
• 44:35
  Speaker 18: conspiracy or a plan put together by Paul Keating to
• 44:38
  Speaker 18: bring Pelosi and Sky News together as one.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I think it was a master plan.
• 44:47
  Speaker 18: I've got to say executed it beautifully well exactly.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Nancy Pelosi is a good friend of many of us
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: now because she managed to talk Joe Biden into pulling out,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: and now she's put Paul Keating in his place. Hey,
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: let's go to this ID, this digital ID thing that
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: the government's now pushing. Bill Shorten's been out there pushing
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: it strongly. You don't this is not going to be
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: forced on you, they say.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Now, apparently it's opt in only.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Here's a Channel nine report filling us in on some
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: of the details.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: The federal government announcing the introduction of a national gold
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: standard digital ID called trust Exchange or text using the
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: MyGov wallet on your phone. The technology will store information
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: such as a person's date of birth, passport details, address,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: citizenship and occupational licenses, or working with children checks, all
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: information already held by the government.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: With the work currently being done MYGV users, we have
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: add more cards and certificates to the MyGov wallet, including
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: from state government and in time private industry. Well justin
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: where the government you can trust us, give us all
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: your information and we'll let you know when you can
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: get into a venues and when you can't.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: What do you reckon?
• 46:01
  Speaker 18: Do you get the do you get the feeling that
• 46:02
  Speaker 18: this is actually just going to fizz out in a
• 46:04
  Speaker 18: couple of months and somebody's going to turn around, say,
• 46:06
  Speaker 18: what was that bill shortened? Thing with the old ID?
• 46:10
  Speaker 18: You know, what was all that about. I've just got
• 46:13
  Speaker 18: the feeling that no one's going to adopt it in
• 46:15
  Speaker 18: any way, shape or form, because I look at this
• 46:17
  Speaker 18: and I think, what's actually in it for us, what's
• 46:20
  Speaker 18: in it for the people? What are we actually going
• 46:22
  Speaker 18: to get out of this? So I'm not necessarily suspicious.
• 46:26
  Speaker 18: I think it's just one of those exercises they think
• 46:30
  Speaker 18: is going to win over the electric But the electorate says,
• 46:33
  Speaker 18: I'm not getting anything out of it.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: I'm going to show Liz something I can't show you
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: at home. Very well, I'm going to show Liz something
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: that's going.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: To raise their blood pressure. I keep this.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: This is my vaccination passport. I keep this to remind
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: myself of just how crazy governments can get. Remember, you
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: could couldn't fit up at the pub unless you had
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: your vaccination bloody passport.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: This thing has got watch out written all over it.
• 46:58
  Speaker 12: Yeah, well I never had a vaccine pass thought, Nah,
• 47:00
  Speaker 12: have I got the JAB?
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: That's what I couldn't see you at the pub.
• 47:03
  Speaker 12: Well, it was a sacrifice that I was happy to
• 47:06
  Speaker 12: make it would make again in.
• 47:08
  Speaker 13: Order to remain JAB free. But the fact that they're
• 47:11
  Speaker 13: actually calling.
• 47:12
  Speaker 12: This trust exchange just goes to show how stupid the
• 47:17
  Speaker 12: parasitic class think you and I are. All of a sudden,
• 47:20
  Speaker 12: they're trying to convince us, Oh, aren't you sick of
• 47:22
  Speaker 12: showing your driver's license? Isn't it terrible traveling with the passport?
• 47:27
  Speaker 13: Nobody thinks that's onerous.
• 47:29
  Speaker 12: Literally, no one's complained about it, and when we're agreeing
• 47:33
  Speaker 12: to a digital idea, they're being so dishonest about what
• 47:36
  Speaker 12: this is. We are talking about centralized data on each
• 47:39
  Speaker 12: and every one of us. The capacity to store information
• 47:42
  Speaker 12: is massive, and at a time people being arrested in
• 47:47
  Speaker 12: the UK for comments that they've made on social media.
• 47:50
  Speaker 12: This is going to give the government capacity to go
• 47:53
  Speaker 12: back years in time and build a gase against someone who.
• 47:57
  Speaker 13: Is a very innocent person.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: And that's on your phone, so they can track you too.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: So of course I say they won't, but this is
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: the concern that people have. We're nearly out of time.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: I do just want to squeeze in before we finish.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Something about Reagan. We haven't mentioned her much tonight.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Have a look at this picture of the Quantus tail
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: the flying Kangaroo. There's a new one putting together. Don't
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: tell me how graphics can't even put that up for us.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: No, here it is.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: This is the new tail art for Quantus jets.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: No more flying kangaroo.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: We've got the reagun jumping kangaroo.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I do absolutely love that. Thanks so much for ragling
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: with us again. Liz Story.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: I shall be back with the Late Debate and Justin
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Smith will catch up with you next week. Thanks for
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: joining me. I'll be back at five o'clock tomorrow. Coming
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: up next is Peter Quedlin.