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Posey's legacy at stake? + Ken Rosenthal's Fair Territory: Pads surging & Harper's "Spring Training" · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Hello, Brett, A little different and a little different front
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  Speaker 1: end for you, the Sweet Life. Normally we would do
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  Speaker 1: now reporting or something like that for you, but since
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  Speaker 1: we figured since you wrote an article on Buster Posey
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  Speaker 1: making a move up to the suite as President of
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  Speaker 1: Baseball officer of the Giants, we introduced you with the
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  Speaker 1: Sweet Life, So welcome, Bridgeroli. Apparently from Michigan State University.
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  Speaker 1: Not go blue. I don't know what they say, but uh, hello, No, hi, guys.
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  Speaker 2: They say go green, go white.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, as we say, go blue is probably the worst
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  Speaker 3: thing you could say to someone from Michigan State.
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  Speaker 1: No. I don't know what they said, though, but I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know what they said in Michigan State because it's
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  Speaker 1: like all you ever hear is about Michigan and go blue.
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  Speaker 1: So I didn't know what the I would have said,
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  Speaker 1: go sparty, but I don't think that's right.
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  Speaker 2: You could say go Sparta. That would be totally fine too,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, go blue is enough. Yes, I went to
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  Speaker 2: my chicken steak.
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  Speaker 4: Guys.
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  Speaker 2: I swam at Michigan State, so big, big Michigan State Athletics.
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  Speaker 1: Person, do you swim with the pool was frozen? How
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  Speaker 1: do you do you go under.
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  Speaker 2: We swim out. It's not even a joke. We swim
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  Speaker 2: outside the outdoor pool until November. There would be snow
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  Speaker 2: coming down and you would just go as quick as
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  Speaker 2: you could from the door into the pool because the
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  Speaker 2: pool was heated, but obviously the air around it was not,
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  Speaker 2: so we moved inside after that. But November in Michigan
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  Speaker 2: gets pretty cold, especially in the mornings, so it toughened
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  Speaker 2: me up for those rough winters in the press box
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  Speaker 2: in April, guys, for Toronto and April. Every time I
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  Speaker 2: was on the bea, it's like, oh god, Toronto and April.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, inside it really was re tough getting there. Oh
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  Speaker 1: you had to walk. Sorry, sorry, you had to take
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  Speaker 1: the car, you had to take the taxi down into
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  Speaker 1: the loading dog you know inside. So yeah, it's tough, tough, tough,
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  Speaker 1: tough times for these reporters, KP. You'll learn one day
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  Speaker 1: as a media member how tough the media always has it.
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  Speaker 1: They'll always let you know, oh rough travel day to day.
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  Speaker 1: I got in at noon and got to sleep till two.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, let's talk buster posey here. I'm a medium
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  Speaker 1: a guy, now, Britt, I understand the rulers of rough
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  Speaker 1: travel life. Okay, let's get into this Buster Posey article
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  Speaker 1: that you wrote. It's one of the more fascinating things
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  Speaker 1: for me because as a former catcher, former player, you know,
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  Speaker 1: people say, do you want to manage? I think being
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  Speaker 1: in charge of a team would be way cooler, meaning
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  Speaker 1: getting to make all the decisions. And I always thought
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  Speaker 1: it was fascinating to see how ex players do we
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  Speaker 1: have Chris Young, obviously, we have Craig Breslow, we have
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  Speaker 1: Buster Posey, and Buster's kind of the poster child because
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  Speaker 1: he was a franchise icon for the Giants. So what
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  Speaker 1: did you figure out now that? And how complicated is
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  Speaker 1: this situation with him now?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think two things can be true. Regressed. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's early in his legacy. It's only the second year,
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  Speaker 2: and most president of mixedbal operations nowadays get four or
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  Speaker 2: five years before we really evaluate them. Buster happened to
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  Speaker 2: sign a three year deal, but because he's part ownership,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that really matters. I think he will
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  Speaker 2: continue to oversee them as long as they think that
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  Speaker 2: he's the guy. But what's interesting is you mentioned us
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  Speaker 2: Young and Craig Breslow, Craig Breslow went to the Cubs,
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  Speaker 2: Chris Young went and spent some time in the commissioner's office.
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  Speaker 2: And also Chris Young was under John Daniels before they
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  Speaker 2: fired John Daniels, so in both of those scenarios they
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  Speaker 2: had a little bit of experience before they got the
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  Speaker 2: head job. Buster went directly from playing to president, and
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  Speaker 2: there really wasn't a whole lot of other president for it,
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  Speaker 2: except for Derek Jeter, who obviously went from playing to
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  Speaker 2: CEO of the Marlins. Derek Jeter is also an icon,
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  Speaker 2: won a lot of World Series, but he didn't win
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  Speaker 2: them for the Marlins. He won them for the Yankees.
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  Speaker 2: So what Posey is doing is virtually unprecedented. Chris Young
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  Speaker 2: isn't like it would be like Nolan Ryan taking over
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  Speaker 2: the Texas Rangers. You would need that stature of a player.
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  Speaker 2: David Ortiz the sign he's going to be president of
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  Speaker 2: the Boston Red Sox, right, So there's all these different
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  Speaker 2: factors here, and I think to some extent Buster has
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  Speaker 2: been graded harshly because people thought he was going to
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  Speaker 2: step in and did what he did as a player,
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  Speaker 2: which is win three World Series in five years and
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  Speaker 2: be a savior and be an icon, and it's a
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  Speaker 2: lot harder to build an organization. I think he's learning
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  Speaker 2: that firsthand than it is for all of us to
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  Speaker 2: sit here and say, well, Buster's just got to go
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  Speaker 2: in and sign a few big name players and that's it.
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  Speaker 2: And there has been a lot of big swings, and
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  Speaker 2: there's been some hits, and there's been some misses, and
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  Speaker 2: I just think it's fascinating to look at where he's at.
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  Speaker 2: It's certainly an inflection point right now for the Giants
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  Speaker 2: in terms of where do they go from here and
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  Speaker 2: how do they manage this roster to be a winner
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  Speaker 2: in a division that, let's face it, is an incredibly
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  Speaker 2: difficult division because you have the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 3: Do you believe is he getting criticized more? You talked
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  Speaker 3: about taking some big swings and misses. You believe he's
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  Speaker 3: getting more criticized for the hiring of Tony Vitella, or
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  Speaker 3: acquiring some of those veteran guys, the Rafael Devers, signing
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  Speaker 3: a Matt Chapman, the Williadomas moves.
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  Speaker 4: I think the.
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  Speaker 2: Potello was probably the most criticism. And I think you
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  Speaker 2: can look at Adamis and Chapman endeavors now and say
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  Speaker 2: that maybe that wasn't a good idea, But at the
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  Speaker 2: time people universally praised Buster getting the Chapman deal done
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  Speaker 2: and kind of overstepping far hans Ad, who was in
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  Speaker 2: charge of baseball operations at the time. People understood the
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  Speaker 2: Devers deal for what it was, which was making a
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  Speaker 2: trade that was probably going to look good on the
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  Speaker 2: front end, but on the back end of that long
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  Speaker 2: of a deal wasn't going to look great. But they
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  Speaker 2: were getting the big name slugger, the big name free
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  Speaker 2: agent that they couldn't attract right, so they traded for
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  Speaker 2: him a Dames. They are again going out getting offense.
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  Speaker 2: Devers and a Damis are still profile ast two of
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  Speaker 2: their better offensive players, So I think on the surface,
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  Speaker 2: every one of those moves was defensible. I think Tony
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  Speaker 2: Battello's getting him as manager the year when there were
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  Speaker 2: nine managerial openings and for a team that was a
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  Speaker 2: win now team, when they fired Bob Melvin and said
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  Speaker 2: the standards were high and they missed the playoffs, I
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  Speaker 2: think that was probably the most in a vacuum, head
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  Speaker 2: scratching decision. And also, guys, I think that's probably the
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  Speaker 2: biggest decision you can make as a president or a
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  Speaker 2: GM is who is going to be in your dugout,
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  Speaker 2: Who is going to set the tone, who is going
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  Speaker 2: to set the cult culture. I think that was probably
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  Speaker 2: the biggest risk of them all because everyone whips on
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  Speaker 2: free agency. Everyone makes trades great, but then don't age well.
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  Speaker 2: But for me, I think the manager position was probably
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  Speaker 2: the one that was the riskiest for Buster, And certainly
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  Speaker 2: right now you look at it and and it just
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  Speaker 2: has not worked out.
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  Speaker 1: Was this one hundred percent Buster's call on Vitello? Does
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  Speaker 1: he did the ownership? Did anyone else have any say in?
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  Speaker 1: This was his? Buster's call? Because he's only been there.
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  Speaker 1: He has been there less than a year. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're hearing rumblings. People are starting to say will he
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  Speaker 1: be there next year? He's had some quotes from the
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  Speaker 1: beginning of the year. He talks a lot. We all
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  Speaker 1: know that which we love is the media, right, but
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  Speaker 1: sometimes he says some things and a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: are like, wait, what is he talking about? So was
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  Speaker 1: this Busters higher alone for Tony Vitello?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think that a couple things. People forget that
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  Speaker 2: when this search went down. Nick Conley was the guy
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  Speaker 2: and they had kind of tabbed him, and Nick Conley,
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  Speaker 2: currently with the Texas Rangers' front office, chose to take
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  Speaker 2: himself out of the running, and once that happened, it
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  Speaker 2: became very clear that it was going to be Tony Mattello.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it was a collaborative group within that
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  Speaker 2: front office. But one thing I learned from talking to
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  Speaker 2: dozens of people inside the organization and out is that
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  Speaker 2: Buster is the final say. Buster is not just the
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  Speaker 2: face of the organization and a figurehead. He makes the decisions.
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  Speaker 2: He is decisive. That is one thing that people consistently said.
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  Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, this was Buster
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  Speaker 2: who made this call. And I think on the surface,
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  Speaker 2: the way they defended it and why he thought Tony
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  Speaker 2: was the guy and still could be the guy could
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  Speaker 2: grow into this role certainly was the culture. And he
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  Speaker 2: thought that what he did in Tennessee, in creating a culture,
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  Speaker 2: in recruiting guys, in what he was able to build there,
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  Speaker 2: was what he wanted to build with the giants. I
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  Speaker 2: think there have been some very public growing pains when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to bullpen management, when it comes to leading
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  Speaker 2: guys who aren't seventeen to twenty two years old and
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about guys who are in their thirties making
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  Speaker 2: thirty million dollars a year. I think that has been
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  Speaker 2: a little bit different, but that is what Buster was
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  Speaker 2: trying to do, is create this culture and going with
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  Speaker 2: a new manager I think he thought would bring some energy.
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  Speaker 2: I do think Bettello is getting better. I do think
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  Speaker 2: he's growing into this role. But I think what people
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  Speaker 2: around baseball questioned at the time, and it is a
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  Speaker 2: fair criticism, is whether that was the right move for
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  Speaker 2: a Giants team that was built to win. Now that
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  Speaker 2: fired Bob Melvin because they missed the playoffs in back
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  Speaker 2: to back years, and because Buster said our bar's up here,
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: we have a very high bar. I think it's then
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  Speaker 2: hard to rectify that with what has transpired this year.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Dating back to the rumors of Aaron Judge signing in
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  Speaker 3: Sansco not signing in San Francisco, Sama Tisco is a tough.
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  Speaker 4: Place to hit offensively.
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  Speaker 3: It's also the city has gone a little bit downhill.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that nicely.
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  Speaker 3: Does Buster Posey and his front office have a plan
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  Speaker 3: of a better way of attracting free agents?
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  Speaker 2: That's that great question. I don't know if they have
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  Speaker 2: a specific plan in place other than winning, right. I
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  Speaker 2: think the only thing, the only way you get guys
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  Speaker 2: to come there is if you're going to win and
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  Speaker 2: if you're going to make them better. And that's I
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  Speaker 2: think what you sell people on, whether it's a pitcher
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  Speaker 2: or a hitter, you sell them on the organization's success,
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: and you sell them on Listen, we think you should
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: tweak this or do this with your delivery or your
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: batting stance, and we think that this will happen. These
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: are the numbers we have projected for you. So I
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: think a lot of the proof of that stuff is
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: in the put in. I also think for the Giants,
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  Speaker 2: and Buster said this numerous times, that they have to
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: build from within, that their farm system has to be
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: a big source of how they get better, how they
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: get younger, and we're starting to see that. Baseball America
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  Speaker 2: yesterday said they were the fourth best farm system. That's
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: up from about the middle of the pack. To start
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: the season, we saw the trade deadline them trade not
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: only free agents but also players under club control. We
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: saw them kind of emphasize getting younger collecting prospects. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the issue is going to be that Chapman, Devers, Adamees
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  Speaker 2: are only getting older and they're expensive, so they're going
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  Speaker 2: to have to, in my mind, spend next year maybe
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: papering over problems with free agents, but then looking to
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  Speaker 2: the future, looking at busters fourth, fifth, sixth year. If
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  Speaker 2: he stays in that position, I think that's when you're
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  Speaker 2: going to see those young guys that are in low
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  Speaker 2: A ball, those young prospects that are highly touted come up,
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  Speaker 2: and that might be a time for the organization to say, Okay,
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: we're selling off these big contracts. Our young guys are
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  Speaker 2: here and there in the way, But I think the
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  Speaker 2: next year or two might be like a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of ugly transitions as they move forward. They certainly have
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  Speaker 2: the money and could spend the money to compete next year.
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  Speaker 2: And his Buster reminded me several times the years they
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  Speaker 2: didn't win the World Series, they didn't make the playoffs,
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  Speaker 2: So a lot can change from one year to the next,
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  Speaker 2: especially when you have the resources of a San Francisco
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: Giants team. I do think they're going to go out
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  Speaker 2: and have to fix the pitching that's really been what's
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: doomed them is that relief pitching. But I think as
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  Speaker 2: you look at the health of this organization moving forward,
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  Speaker 2: it's all going to stem from what they've done in
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  Speaker 2: the minor leagues and whether or not Buster gets a
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  Speaker 2: chance to see that through. I'm not sure they cannot
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  Speaker 2: afford another season like they had this year. But I
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  Speaker 2: think as they turn this corner, they have to look
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  Speaker 2: at it as getting back to pitching defense and just
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  Speaker 2: getting a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Younger bright as somebody that knows that the Giants fans
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: can be a little bit not nice to people at times.
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  Speaker 1: Do they have the patients? Do they have the patience
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  Speaker 1: for that? The Giants fans have the patience to wait
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  Speaker 1: three four more years?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Because this is every week we have GMS. We have
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: Jim Bowden on, we have Jim Duqutt, we have Dan Dukett,
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  Speaker 1: all these guys who've been GMS, and it's always the
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  Speaker 1: new wave of GMS is, oh, give me five years
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: and then or give me three years to clean it
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  Speaker 1: out and then give me five years, so then I
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  Speaker 1: really get eight years to get my players in. Well,
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: the Giants are a win now franchise, especially when they
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: look up and they see, oh, the Dodgers are winning
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  Speaker 1: every year, Dodgers, Dodgers, Dodgers being thrown down their throat.
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  Speaker 1: Do they have the patience to wait two or three,
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  Speaker 1: four more years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I think that's a great question.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's the reason they haven't embraced rebuild to
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  Speaker 2: begin with. I think had they really been honest with themselves,
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  Speaker 2: they would have maybe let far Han after they had
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  Speaker 2: that terrific year and then they kind of struggled, they
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  Speaker 2: would have maybe let far Han just kind of sell
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  Speaker 2: off some pieces and rebuild and start back over. I
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  Speaker 2: think Buster looked at this team, and you know, as
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  Speaker 2: early as last year when they started off really well,
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  Speaker 2: and said, we are a win now team. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to push our chips in. I think this fan base
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  Speaker 2: hasn't seen a rebuild, and I think at this point
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  Speaker 2: in time, they're not really set up because of the
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  Speaker 2: core that they owe so much money to in the infield,
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  Speaker 2: to be a rebuilding team. So I think realistically they
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: have to continue to go for it while also being
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  Speaker 2: really good and really judicious with their prospects down below,
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  Speaker 2: and that's a tough thing to juggle. We've seen an
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  Speaker 2: executive struggle to do that. We saw Hein Bloom with
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: Boston really struggled to keep the Red Sox really as
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  Speaker 2: a competitive team on the field. And then also improve
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  Speaker 2: them in the minor league system. It's a tough juggling act.
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  Speaker 2: The Tampa Bay Rays are really good at that. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: they've won a nine in a row. They're also ranked
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  Speaker 2: the number one system. Eric Neander's one of the best
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  Speaker 2: executives in the game. We're asking Buster Posey, who had
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  Speaker 2: no front office experience before taking this role, to do
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  Speaker 2: what is probably the most difficult thing in baseball, which
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  Speaker 2: is to win now but also set the organization up
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  Speaker 2: for the future. And so I think that is also
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  Speaker 2: what's making this whole situation difficult.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Most of the time, when you come in and you're
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  Speaker 2: a president, you're inheriting like Peter Bendex and or Paul Taboni,
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  Speaker 2: and you have the five years because you got to
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: burn it to the studs. We are grading Buster a
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  Speaker 2: little bit on a curve because we feel like the
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: Giants should be good now because they're constantly built to
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: win now. And now we're being told, well, we care
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  Speaker 2: about the minor league system. So it's a really interesting
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: point that they're at right now. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: the fan base would be okay with saying, hey, we're
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: gonna be bad for three years. But I don't think
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: the Giants have to do that. I think they have
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  Speaker 2: the money to compete for a wildcard team next year
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: and to also be good down below. And it's worth
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: pointing out, guys that as bad as the Giants have
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  Speaker 2: been this year, like they've never been over five hundred
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  Speaker 2: all year, they are still six best in base in
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: home attendance, They're drawing over thirty six thousand fans a night.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: There is no Oakland A's anymore. They are the only
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: team in the Bay Area, and so I think that
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: also affords them the ability to maybe go out and
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: take more risks, because if you want to see a
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: baseball game, you're going to see the Giants. There is
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: no other alternative.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: You're not going to Sacramento.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think you're on a Sacramento to see that.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: So you know they have a monopoly on that market.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: They're also one of the three teams that own the stadium.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: They have a lot of money. They were ranked top
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: five and the latest Forbes valuations like their ey team
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: that I think, and I think we do this with
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: David Stearns too, is like if you're inheriting Peter Mendix
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: and the Marlins. We're going to grade you on a
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: different scale than if you inherit a team that has
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: the resources to compete. Right, No one wants to sit
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: through a five year plan of David Stearns like you're
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: in charge of the Mets. It's the same thing with
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Buster Posey with the Giants. Yes, this is a hard
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: thing to turn around. Yes it's only second year, but
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: fans see the Giants as this story for franchise, as
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: a group that has a big payroll, it's not afraid
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: to spend, and they want them turned around, and they
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: want them turned around quickly.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: You kind of answered my question. But are we having
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: this conversation because it is Buster Posey? Are we having
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: this conversation because he has no presidential experience? Are we
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: having this conversation if the Giants would have gone out
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: and got someone from a different organization that maybe sat
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: underneath the president.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: I think, well we're having this conversation because I was
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: interested and wrote a story about this. But I think
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: that if you look at it, it's a couple of
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: different things. If it wasn't Buster Posey in charge and
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: it was a far hanziety type but it wasn't still
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: far Han, who had been there for I think seven years.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: If they had hired somebody else knew, we'd say, this
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: is only their second year, let's give them some time.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Because it's Buster and he was an icon. I think
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: people thought he was going to save the franchise. I
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: don't think people realized that they weren't really in this
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: grade of a spot to begin with, So that, I
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: think is one piece of this. I think another piece
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: of this is that the Giants are a group of
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: fans who win, who are used to winning, who won
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: three World Series in five years, outside of like the
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Dodgers right now, I mean they were an absolute die
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: and the Houston Astros, like, we're looking at a dynasty.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: So the people that grew up with that expect that.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: And the Giants right now are headed toward their fifth
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: non winning season. That's the most they've had in their history.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: They've never had five non winning seasons in a row.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: So that's another fact. Is like the Natives are getting
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: restless and they would like to see the Giants return
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: to glory. So I think that there's a lot of
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: different factors at play. And yes, Buster doesn't have the
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: experience and so this is also a big risk, even
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: though it's an icon like Buster Posey. So there's a
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: lot of different things that I think make the situation
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: so unique and so fascinating as we look at the
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: beginning of this Buster Posy era.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's amazing. You don't see it happen very often.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: This is why it's so fascinating to me that someone
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: on this level goes into the front office. Nolan and
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Ryan did do it. He was the president of the
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Raging Jersey. He was president of the Astros, but he
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: wasn't the day to day baseball guy. I don't think
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: that Buster Posey is right. I think Nolan probably had
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: a say in it, but he had John Daniels when
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: I was in Texas, right, and he had other people
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: in Houston that would make the day to day decisions,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: and he was just kind of I'm in charge, and
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: I got the sponsors to come in. So you don't
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: see this happen. I can only look back and see
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I think of Ozzie Gean, right, because I played for
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Ozzy and he just had his number retire. A player
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: that was not he wasn't a good of a player
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: as Buster Posey, Right, but then he comes back to
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: manage we win a World Series and then he gets everything.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: But he also got fired. Well, no, he didn't quit,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: but he didn't get fired. I don't know he left. Okay,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: he didn't leave on great terms. Let's just say that. Right,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: So it ends. And that's the thing that I think
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: is so fascinating is will Giants fans still love Buster
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Posey if this doesn't work the way they did before?
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they will. I think they should. You're
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: right with Nolan Ryan, Like that was back in the
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: day when a president was like the real president of business. Right,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: We've now seen this evolve into president of baseball operations. Right,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: that has now become a thing over the last decade
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: or so that you know that person is in charge
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: of baseball operations. Same thing with Jeter. Jeter was CEO,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: but then he hired Kim Ing, so it was a
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: little bit of a different situation. I think Giants fans
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: will still and should still appreciate and love Buster Posey
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: for a couple of reasons. Like one, as I wrote
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: my story, he didn't have to do this, Like he
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: could have gone fished, grown a beard showed up, the
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: World Series reunions, and like his legacy would have been intact.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: He wanted to do this because he wants the Giants
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: to win so badly, and he feels like he could
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: do a better job than far On and than anyone else,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: and that he can be the guy to restore them
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: back to their glory. And there's a certain amount of
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: respect for that, Like he is putting it on the line,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: he's putting his name out there. He could have stayed
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: in ownership right and just been this like silent guy
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: behind the strings, behind the scenes, pulling strings, but he
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: wanted to be the guy. And with that comes the negative,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: and with that comes to the risk. And I think
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: people should appreciate that a franchise icon cares enough to
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: want to put skin in the game, and that's what
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Buster is doing. He's probably gonna go to Cooper Sound,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: maybe as early as next year when he's on the ballot,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: and that is such a unique thing. I don't think
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: it takes away from what he did as a player,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: but I think the bar is up here in terms
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: of adding to his legacy, right, Like, if he doesn't
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: win as an executive, if he doesn't win a World
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: series as an executive that will be seen as a
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: failure because of what he was as a player. He
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: was such a winner as a player, and because the
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Giants are, as he said, a organization of high standards.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: So I don't think this should tarnish his legacy. I
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: don't think this should take away from anything he did
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: as a player. But I do think this is fascinating
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: because it is such a risk. He doesn't need the money,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: he doesn't need the spotlight. He's doing this for the
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: right reasons. Will it have the right outcome? We don't know.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Britt, you're comparing him to Derek Jeter. That
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: didn't go so well for him as few years in Miami.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: So let's hope that it goes better for Buster than
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: it does for what Derek Jeter did. If you haven't
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: seen what David Sampson said about Derek Jeter at wow,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: that's that was not nice. I'll just say I'll I'll
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: just leave it at that that David Sampson took some
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: some real shots at the captain. So, Frett, thank you
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: so much. It's always a pleasure to see you in
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: your Michigan Blue. We really appreciate it. If you want
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: to read the full article. Oh wait, sorry, Sparty, go
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: click on that full article in The Athletic from brid Giolie.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: She's the best. Thank you Britt for coming on and
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: discussing this just completely fascinating article.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Thanks guys, thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 7: Welcome everyone to the Thursday edition of Fair Territory. I'm
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: Ken Rosenthal here with my friend and colleague Alana Rizzo. Alana,
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: Our friend and colleague Joel Sherman wrote a column I
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: don't know about two weeks ago in which he was
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: talking about the Red Sox and he was saying, man,
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: it's a long season and we all forget it always,
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: and the Red Sox for one example.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: The Blue Jays will talk about them there another. But
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: the one we want.
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: To start the show with is the San Diego Padres
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: from the what y Yeah?
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: The latest in terms of this right coming back from
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: the dead.
• 23:19
  Speaker 9: Tell me more?
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: Well, they won.
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: Fifteen of nineteen and if you remember mid June, mid June,
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: not that long ago, six weeks ago, they were last
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: in the National League and runs per game.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Short time after that, the rotation was in tatters.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: Michael King, a guy who is really their mooth, solid starter,
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: was kind of holding up the rotation. A number of
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: their others were injured other starting pitchers or ineffective. Now
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: they've traded for Robbie Ray, traded for Casey Miies, Joe
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: Musgrove is on his way back, and suddenly they are
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: hitting again.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Actually not so suddenly.
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: This has been building, and this run that they're on
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: it started against Miami, Colorado and San Francisco, three teams
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: that are not or at least at that time were
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: struggling or not really in a place where you would
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: say they're contending.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: But then even when.
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: You thought, okay, the Padres are kind of doing it
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: against weaker teams, their schedule got tougher and they started
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: playing tougher teams. Split a series with Arizona two of
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: three from Houston, and now they just have swept Milwaukee
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: and here they are Tatis. Remember he had no homers.
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: He's up to twelve homers. OPS is up to seven
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: seventy three. Merrill Jackson Merrill since July nineteen has been
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: on fire. Three seventy six batting average, nine home runs,
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: eleven hundred OPS, and Manny but Chado, while he's not
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: really hitting seven to ten OPS, two hundred batting average
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: in August, still has twenty three homers so they look
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: like the Padres again, even with all their injuries, and
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: to me, it's impressive what they've done. And it's just
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: another example, Alana of a long season. So here we go,
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: the San Diego Padres. They're back in the playoff mix.
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: They're holding the second spot in the wildcard race right now.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Good for them.
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: It's insane to think that Ken, we had written them off.
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: Some people would have even used as sharpie and said
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: that the San Diego Padres were done, but it is
• 25:15
  Speaker 8: not to be. Let's talk about another team, or really
• 25:17
  Speaker 8: another division that's interesting, and that is the AL East.
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: Three of the best teams in the league all coming
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: from that division, and Ken, it doesn't seem like the
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: Rays have any thought of stopping anytime soon.
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: No, and they're coming off a nine to zero road trip,
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: admittedly again against weaker or struggling teams it's Colorado, Seattle
• 25:37
  Speaker 7: and the A's, but hey, you have to win the
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: games in front of you, and we just saw Arizona
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: lose two or three at home to Colorado, so it's
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: not as easy as you think.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: And the Rays, they have done this all season long.
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: We've talked about this and what's interesting to me is
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: the effect that Liam Hicks seems to be having in
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: a very short time since arriving from the Tampa I'm
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: the Miami Marlins. Remember the Rays were talking about adding
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: another hitter really could do it at any position.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: They wanted a compliment, a fourth compliment to.
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: Their big three of Junior Caminero, Yondi Diaz and Jonathan Ronda.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Hicks looks like he can be that guy. Now.
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: I know it's a small sample, but he's eight for
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: twenty six since the trade. He is a guy with
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: two home runs, three doubles during that time ops about
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: eleven hundred and yes, you'll say small sample, can well
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: guess what a trade acquisition is designed to help you
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: over a small sample. Obviously, Hicks will be with the
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: team beyond this season, but this is the boost that
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: they were looking for. They've got Chandler Simpson hot as well.
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: They're doing some really good things, and of course they
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: have the pitching both at the back end of the
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: bullpen and in the rotation. So the Rays, We've talked
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: about this endlessly.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: They're not going away. They've got a huge lead in
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: the AL East. They are the best team in the
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: American League.
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: Ken the Blue Jays or one of those teams we
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: talked about in terms of being streaky again, kind of
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: writing them off as many did with the San Diego Padres.
• 27:06
  Speaker 8: But hang on because Toronto Ken is saying, not so
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: fast is their life.
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: For these Blue Jays, there.
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: Seems to be alana and it's shocking to see because
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: this team is another one kind of like the Padres,
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: below expectations all season long, rotation, battered by injuries, still
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: having problems in that regard you. Savage is now out,
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: but they've won ten of their last fourteen. They're a
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: game and a half back in the wild card race,
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: and they've gotten a real boost from Brit Bateman, who
• 27:37
  Speaker 7: came over in the Gossman trade, as well as Charles
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: McAdoo at the top of their order. Vlad still does
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: not have a home run at Rogers Center, and there's
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: still questions in the rotation beyond Cease and now Soriano
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: along with Schrzer and Bieber, there really is no fifth
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: and one are injury more and they're going to be
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: in real trouble again with that rotation.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: But they're playing again again.
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: The way we saw them play not so much in October,
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: but down the stretch last season in October.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: They were on another level. But one and a half
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: games back in the wild Card. You cannot rule them out.
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: And it's been interesting to see this team evolve over
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: the course of the season as well.
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: I cannot believe Vladimir ger Junior does not have a
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: home run yet this season at home. I will say
• 28:23
  Speaker 8: this though, I just love saying Charles McAdoo. I love
• 28:26
  Speaker 8: this kid's name. What a great baseball name. All right,
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: as far as the Boston Red Sox are concerned, Ken,
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: they were going on a meteoric tear going into the
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: All Star Break. Coming out of the All Star Break,
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: they looked unbeatable. We never thought they were going to
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: lose again. But not only did they lose again, Ken,
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: they've dropped five straight. What's going on with them?
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: Their offense is stalled a little bit. Wilson Contrari's a
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: little bit banged up. I'm not terribly worried. And when
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: you're as hot as they were, there is simply no
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: way you can sustain that. We all knew this was
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: coming to some degree. The good news for the Red
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: Sox is that Roman Anthony seems to be on his
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: way back. There's a chance Croche could come back. Now
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: Whitlock is suddenly a concern. He's got an elbow problem.
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: We'll know more about that as the day.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: And perhaps the weekend goes on.
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: But the Red Sox still are in a commanding position,
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: four and a half games up in the wildcard race,
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: holding that lead over the third place team. So they're
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: in a good spot and I don't expect them to
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: go all the way backwards.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, this was coming.
• 29:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah, all right, let's go to the National League for
• 29:31
  Speaker 8: a hot second. Well, actually, I guess two teams, one
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: in the NL, one in the AL. The Phillies Field
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: of Dreams game tonight against the Twins, Bryce Harper in
• 29:39
  Speaker 8: right field. First of all, let's talk about the game itself.
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: This is something that I absolutely love. It's the one
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: thing in my career I've not been able to cover
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: and not being able to attend, and I'm excited about that.
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: I'd like your take on the Field of Dreams. And
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: then what the heck is going on in terms of
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: Bryce Harper and moving him back to the right, you know,
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: to right field, and everything going on with the Phills.
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: Well, I did the first two Field of Dreams games
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: for Fox, and they've been on hiatus with this game
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: for a couple of years now, and tonight it will
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: be on Netflix, and I'm interested to see whether it
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: kind of captures the magic of what it was that
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: first year when the Yankees played the White Sox that
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: was amazing. The next year, I believe was Reds and
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: Cubs not so amazing. The novelty kind of wore off.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: But here it is.
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: Back after a few years away, and we'll see if
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: it becomes again this big event that MLB wants.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: It to be.
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  Speaker 7: Now, the Phillies we talked about this at the deadline
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  Speaker 7: when they got a rise and they started moving in
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: field pieces all over the place. What was going to
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: be the impact And one of the possibilities, certainly, was
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: that Bryce Harper having to run a little bit more
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: than he would at first base, maybe a lot more
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: in right field. Who knows what that would mean to him,
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: And obviously he's having a left knee issue. His quote
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: was to Charlotte Farnes of the Athletic, I feel like
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: I'm going to spring training game with my arms, legs.
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: Every he feels like he's going to be okay. He
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: wants to play every game. I've noticed a lot of
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: Phillies fans online saying, what are we doing? Why isn't
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: Harper at first? Why isn't Bohm on the bench? If
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: you're going to play Bryce and Scott at third? There
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: were easier ways to go about this. Now, their outfield
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: is very thin, and they didn't really acquire an outfielder,
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: so that was one problem with that idea. But I
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: can see the point there.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: And it's going to be interesting to see at.
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: Some point if they sacrificed in the outfield, which has
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: been a problem all season, put Harper back at first,
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: and say to Bom, listen, you're gonna be a part
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: time player now. It maybe should have been what they
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: did in the first place. Then you could have gone
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: and signed Austin Hayes like the Padres did. I know
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: the Phillies had.
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  Speaker 4: Him before, but there were ways out here.
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: This is the path they chose, and it's a perilous path,
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: there's no question about it.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: It's been that way from the very start.
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  Speaker 8: And ken Rice Harper was an outfielder, and then he
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: became a first baseman, then he was a he was
• 32:00
  Speaker 8: a first baseman, then he's an outfielder again. Now he's back,
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: but his body is feeling it. He's feeling the change
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: in terms of position.
• 32:07
  Speaker 9: What do you make of that.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: Well, they're giving him some DH days and they're going
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: to continue to do that. But it's not surprising to me.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: I remember a lot of asking Mookie Betts.
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: About playing right field and going to shortstop, and he
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: was telling me what a relief it was for him.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: Physically, and I was like, wooke, what are you talking about.
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: He goes, hey, man, you try running back and forth
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: to the outfield nine times a game and then running
• 32:30
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  Speaker 4: It does take a toll.
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: It's might sounds silly to fans because these guys are,
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: of course, highly trained athletes. But it's more of a toll,
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: there's no question about that. So it's not surprising that
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: this is taking more of a toll on Harper, and
• 32:46
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• 32:48
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  Speaker 8: On deck is present in by the Fox one app
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  Speaker 8: at the Dodgers Saturday on Fox, Jacob Mazerowski versus Justin Robleski.
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  Speaker 9: Potentially a Battle of the All Stars. What are you
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  Speaker 9: looking forward to?
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  Speaker 4: Battle of the All Stars?
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  Speaker 7: Battle of the skis if only aj Prazinski was in
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: the booth being noted.
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  Speaker 1: But what I'm looking.
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: Forward to, of course, is seeing the Miz. But Robleski
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: has been a guy for the Dodgers all year long
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: who has quietly just been excellent. So the Miz is
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: going to command all the attention, and rightly so. He's
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: at two hundred plus strikeouts already. It's incredible what he
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: is doing, throwing a million miles an hour, all of that,
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: and we're going to have him on the broadcast. Smoltz
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: will be in the booth. Smoltz is always a great
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: win it comes to starting pitchers. I'm interested to hear
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: his analysis as this game goes on of Jacob Mizerowski,
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: and interested to see as well how these two teams
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: fare in this series. The Brewers are coming off getting
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: swept in San Diego. Now, the Padres are red hot
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: right now, and the Brewers kind of got in their
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: way and that was that. And the Brewers are dealing
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: with some injuries as well on the left side of
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: their infield, but they've been a remarkable team all year
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: and their manager Pat Murphy said yesterday, Hey, we've got
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: the most wins in baseball. There's a reason for that.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: And even when you have.
• 35:21
  Speaker 7: The most wins in baseball, doesn't mean that struggles are impossible.
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: Doesn't mean that they're not going to happen. And we've
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: seen this and again it goes back to the long season.
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: Long season stuff happens. So the Brewers will be looking
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: to bounce back against the Dodgers. The Dodgers just got
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: their gift playing three against the Kansas City Royals and
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: sweeping them.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: To end their one and eight slide.
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: So it's two teams kind of trying to get back
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: into gear. But remember the calendar says it's only mid August.
• 35:50
  Speaker 9: Yeah, August twelfth.
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  Speaker 8: of course, to ask Ken Rosenthal some questions. Let's talk
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: about the Cubs and the Cardinals, and then of course
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: White Sox, Mariners and d Backs up next. But let's
• 36:45
  Speaker 8: talk the first question Ken, in terms of Mike g
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: fifteen has just got here.
• 36:52
  Speaker 9: L Oh, yeah, what did I miss? Are we talking
• 36:54
  Speaker 9: about how the Cubs are on an absolute wagon?
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: Mike wants to know, Ken, what do you make of
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: these Cubs and Alexgmen.
• 37:00
  Speaker 9: In his three home runs?
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: Mike, glad you asked, because we haven't talked about the
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: Cubs and we should be talking about the Cubs.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Guess what?
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: They are only three games behind the Brewers right now.
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: They won I believe eight of nine. Their offense again
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: is on fire.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: And I remember it.
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: Was about a week ago, either on foul territory or
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: fair territory, I was asked, can the Cubs catch the Brewers?
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: And I said, Nah, probably not leave the deficit was
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: six or six and a half at that time, and
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: you just do the math.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: It's not that easy to do.
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: But they have games left with each other, and these
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: are teams that are going to be battling, perhaps to
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: the end. But we'll see if the Cubs can sustain this,
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: because remember, they've had their highs this year and they've
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: been extreme, and they've also had some extreme lows. So
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: I don't rule anything out in this division race. And
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: the Brewers they've got some things going on, as I said,
• 37:52
  Speaker 7: with injuries right now, they're a little bit dicey for them.
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: But I loved what the Cubs did at the deadline,
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: and maybe that is the impetus they needed to catch
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: Milwaukee in at NL.
• 38:01
  Speaker 8: Central Ken we haven't talked much about the Brewer or
• 38:04
  Speaker 8: excuse me, of the Mariners.
• 38:05
  Speaker 9: We've talked a lot about the Brewers, but of the Mariners.
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: Lance Johnson fifty oh four would like to ask you
• 38:10
  Speaker 8: Seattle fire Scott Service because of their lack of hitting,
• 38:13
  Speaker 8: will they do the same to Dan Wilson? How much
• 38:15
  Speaker 8: of a leash does he have?
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: I don't know, and I will say to Lance Johnson
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: five to four, that question has crossed my mind.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: It's late in the season for a managerial change.
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: But they fired their third hitting coach a couple of
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: weeks ago, Bobby Magayanis. That didn't do the trick, and
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: it was kind of a silly move anyway, you're firing
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: your third hitting coach, your assistant to the assistant. You
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: got Edgar Martinez up top. You got Kevin Sitzer right
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: after that, and Bobby Magianis.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: Was after him. That didn't do it. But this team
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: does look like it needs a kick in the rear. Now.
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: I don't know that fire and the manager would do it,
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: but it's a really interesting question right now where the
• 38:57
  Speaker 7: Mariners are going with this and what happens to Dan Wilson.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: Maybe not right away, but at the end of the
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: season if.
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: They do not pick it up, and we've been waiting
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: for them to get hot all.
• 39:06
  Speaker 8: Year long, cal Rawley not hitting perhaps a reason for
• 39:10
  Speaker 8: that too. Ken Marvislten wants to ask you, Ken, do
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: you think there will be more off season activity like
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: trades and signings before or after the CBA gets settled.
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: If settled I would say both, and the real question
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: will be November. And we know that the CBA expires
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: December first, and we know in twenty twenty two, the
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: last time the sport was in this situation, there was
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: a flurry of activity right before the lockout started on
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: December first. The guy I've been thinking about here is Schooble,
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: because if you're Schooble, it probably want to sign before
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: we have any kind of new system in place.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: The new system is not going to take effect immediately
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: if indeed it's a cap system, and even if it's not,
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: we might have some grandfathering in. I would think if
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: they kept the current luxury tax plan in place then
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: it wouldn't be like that.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: But either way, it.
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: Might behoove Scooble to act sooner rather than later. And
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: his agent, Scott Bores, is not one who always moves quickly,
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: but in certain periods does so that's the one to watch.
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: I would say there has a chance a good chance
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: of happening, perhaps before December first.
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I would like if I'm Schooble, to lock down
• 40:26
  Speaker 8: that big contract as soon as possible, certainly before a lockout.
• 40:29
  Speaker 8: Along the same lines of a lockout, Ken armand our
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: friend is amazing wants to know, with the recent sale
• 40:34
  Speaker 8: of the Lakers obviously twelve billion dollars, which is bananas
• 40:39
  Speaker 8: and MLB owners seeing that price and drooling over it,
• 40:42
  Speaker 8: what percentage would you put the entire twenty twenty seven
• 40:45
  Speaker 8: season as locked out? And is there a correlation in
• 40:48
  Speaker 8: your mind?
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: Certainly MLB owners have looked at the NBA and NFL
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: valuations of the franchises and been jealous.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: For lack of a credit's round and envious of that situation.
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: Now, the Yankees just were valued at ten over ten billion,
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: So I don't know that it's as dire as circumstance
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: as you would think. But certainly MLB owners are quite
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: worried about their franchise valuations.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: That's why they want a salary cap.
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: That's the number one reason they can talk about competitive
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: balance all they want. Now, do I think the twenty
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: twenty seven season will be entirely missed?
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: I do not think that.
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: I think that would be the height repeat the height
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: of stupidity at a time when the sport is experiencing
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: a renaissance. Are the owners capable of that kind of
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: conduct when they're intent on getting a salary cap Absolutely,
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: they are capable of it, but at some point, cooler
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: heads must prevail, and there are a lot of implications
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: from television contracts to fan discontent to all kinds of
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: things that would happen if you miss an entire season.
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: Sport would come back, but it would take some time,
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: and your franchise valuations might suffer a little bit in
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: the process.
• 42:04
  Speaker 8: I absolutely love that the height of stupidity. You my
• 42:07
  Speaker 8: friends are absolutely right. All right, we crowned dude and
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  Speaker 8: dork of the Week next.
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  Speaker 9: I'm the dude, so that's what you call me, all right, Ken?
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  Speaker 9: I know somebody in the chat who already.
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  Speaker 8: Is going to agree with your pick of dude of
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  Speaker 1: Is?
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  Speaker 4: It is Alex Bregman of the Chicago Cubs three homer
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  Speaker 4: game last night. His OPS is up to seven fifty eight,
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: and we've been talking about it the entire show. It's
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: a long.
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: Season and it's started off for Alex Bregman not so great.
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: You often see this when a free agent signs a
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: big contract with a new team. It is not always
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: easy for that player to get going right away. It's
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: a big transition. We see it time and time again.
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: Gregman is a guy who is as serious about it
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: craft as any player in the major leagues. He can
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: overthink it at times, perhaps, and I'm sure he was
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: in his head a little bit while he was struggling
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: in the first half, but he is back. The three
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: homer game proved it, and he again is the dude
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: of the week for me.
• 44:14
  Speaker 9: Alex Bregman very studied.
• 44:17
  Speaker 8: He is a guy that absolutely pays attentions, always trying
• 44:20
  Speaker 8: to get better, always studies. Obviously, congrats on getting more
• 44:23
  Speaker 8: than ten years of service time for Alex Bragman this season.
• 44:27
  Speaker 9: My dude of the week is a couple of pitchers.
• 44:28
  Speaker 8: I'm going to start with Dean Kramer throwing seven innings
• 44:32
  Speaker 8: of one run, one hit ball against your longtime team
• 44:36
  Speaker 8: Ken nine days after they traded you away. That had
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: to feel pretty darn good for him. And I'm also
• 44:41
  Speaker 8: going to give an honorable mention. I know you're going
• 44:43
  Speaker 8: to roll your eyes to Blake Snell just because he
• 44:46
  Speaker 8: came off the il hasn't pitched since May ninth.
• 44:48
  Speaker 9: He's always a second half pitcher. He wants to take
• 44:50
  Speaker 9: half the season off. Good for him.
• 44:52
  Speaker 8: Six innings, three hits, one earned run, one walk. But
• 44:55
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• 44:58
  Speaker 8: honorable mention for me. All right time now for the
• 45:02
  Speaker 8: dork of the Week. Ken, you and I are in
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: agreement upon this, and I will let you go first,
• 45:15
  Speaker 8: because this was absolutely bananas, the four.
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: Out fiasco in Toronto involving the Red Sox and the
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: Blue Jays. Now, initially my thought was the Red Sox players,
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: the two guys on base who forgot the number of
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: outs there were or didn't know the number of outs
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: there were, Well, that's on them, but the scoreboard showed
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: two outs. They were kind of obviously not totally aware,
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: but it was a confusing situation for them.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: But they're not the dorks of the week for that alone.
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: There was so much going on, There was so much
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: Dorktom and John Boy in his latest video it's fifteen
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: minutes long, he detailed it all and he shows he
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: shows in that video that the Blue Jays could have
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: avoided this whole matter by throwing to third base instead
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: of first base for the fourth out of the inning
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: or end, as well the umpire by signaling and waving
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: the run off. Initially, that caused confusion, so everybody on
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: the field seemed to be confused.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: Now, in fairness to everyone involved, I don't know how
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: many of us knew this rule.
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: I certainly didn't, and a lot of people fans, people
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: in the game didn't really know it that well either,
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: or the entire sequence that involved these rules. So I'll
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: give it a little bit of a break to everyone involved.
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: But you can't just blame the Red Sox, you can't
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: just blame the Blue Jays, you can't just blame the obs.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: Everybody had a role in this fiasco.
• 46:43
  Speaker 9: Ken, I'm in agreement with you.
• 46:44
  Speaker 8: They also are my dorks of the week, a lot
• 46:47
  Speaker 8: of dorkdom, as you put it. I was sitting there
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: watching this unfold in real time, and I was watching
• 46:52
  Speaker 8: it with Chris, and he was like, wait a minute,
• 46:54
  Speaker 8: shouldn't the players know how many outs are going in
• 46:57
  Speaker 8: the inning right now?
• 46:58
  Speaker 9: Because he was he also.
• 47:00
  Speaker 8: Said, you're always told the scoreboard isn't right, like, don't
• 47:03
  Speaker 8: pay attention to the scoreboard, Like you always have to
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: be mentally in the game, because that type of stuff happens, right,
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: whether it was an individual that accidentally put two outs
• 47:12
  Speaker 8: up on the scoreboard, or whether it was an automatic
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: system or however, it went down. You can't always rely
• 47:18
  Speaker 8: on the scoreboard, right, so it would behoove you to
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: make sure you know what's happening in terms of being
• 47:24
  Speaker 8: in the game. I think the only person in real
• 47:26
  Speaker 8: time that kind of was spot on with the rule
• 47:29
  Speaker 8: was Lumer Lone of the Nessen broadcast. He seemed to
• 47:32
  Speaker 8: be able to break it down before the seventeen other
• 47:35
  Speaker 8: explanations of what was happening. I certainly didn't know what
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: was going on, but you would think that the players
• 47:41
  Speaker 8: on the field would have a better sense of how
• 47:43
  Speaker 8: many outs were in the game. But Ken, before we
• 47:46
  Speaker 8: let you go, it is official. Garrett Whitlock is on
• 47:49
  Speaker 8: the IL for Boston with that elbow inflammation, and they
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: have recalled Greg Weissert from Triple A. So how concerned
• 47:58
  Speaker 8: should they be in terms of Whitlock's arm issue.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: Anytime it's an elbow, you have to be concerned. It's
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: as simple as that. And I don't know what this
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: means for him.
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: Maybe it's a short term thing, but again, elbows are
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: a problem, all right.
• 48:14
  Speaker 9: Ken, Great to be with you as always. That is
• 48:16
  Speaker 9: it for us.
• 48:17
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