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The Kenny Report | 24 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: This is The Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks, Ed.
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Speaker 3: Tonight, opposition leader Angus Taylor on the AI data breach,
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Speaker 3: Albanese's big week in New York, and why the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister won't be catching Kylie Minogue at the AFL grand final.
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Speaker 3: Chinese President Xi Jinping is in Washington for his summit
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Speaker 3: with Donald Trump, and we'll get analysis from Alexander Downer.
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Speaker 3: The renewables energy transition forcing Victorians to make hard choices today.
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Speaker 4: About household budgets.
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Speaker 3: Zoe Hilton from Affordable Energy Australia joins me. Also, Mark
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Speaker 3: Robinson on Wharfie Time at the grand final and Tim
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Speaker 3: Blair on more unbelievable climate alarmism.
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Speaker 4: Let's get cracking.
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Speaker 3: It's a little embarrassing for Anthony Albanese that while he's
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Speaker 3: at the UN preaching the need to regulate AI technology,
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Speaker 3: he's had to reveal that his own government departments have
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Speaker 3: suffered a serious AI hack back in June.
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Speaker 4: The company, OpenAI, knew about it in August.
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Speaker 3: The government departments weren't notified till two weeks ago and
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Speaker 3: ministers have known since Sunday.
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Speaker 4: Imagine if AI worked that slowly.
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Speaker 5: Well, to be very clear of the way that this
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Speaker 5: occurred was not in a way that would likely... I mean,
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Speaker 5: this is not a security website where there is... This
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Speaker 5: is a Medicare statistics portal and for the fullness of
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Speaker 5: detail as well, because I was expecting to get this
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Speaker 5: in a question to be able to get this out,
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Speaker 5: but the government is aware as well of three other
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Speaker 5: systems that may be impacted. That work is going on
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Speaker 5: to have a look. One is ours, the Australian Institute
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Speaker 5: of Health and Welfare may have been impacted. Also, the
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Speaker 5: New South Wales Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research and
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Speaker 5: the Victorian Department of Health.
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Speaker 4: What a shambles.
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Speaker 3: Still, I guess, in a way, it buttresses Albanese's claim
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Speaker 3: that AI needs regulation, although just how you hold it
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Speaker 3: back will be a difficult challenge, especially when China and
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Speaker 3: the US are in a digital arms race. Still, have
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Speaker 3: a listen to the Prime Minister's message to any Australians worried.
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Speaker 4: About data breaches.
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Speaker 5: The Australian government's got your back. They were aware of
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Speaker 5: the risk.
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Speaker 5: Of artificial intelligence, as well as the significant potential benefits
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Speaker 5: as well.
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Speaker 4: The government's got our back.
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Speaker 3: Didn't they just fall victim to an AI data breach,
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Speaker 3: an AI hack? So a very pertinent question was put
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Speaker 3: to Albanese, and that was whether this breach by an
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Speaker 3: American AI company was something he raised with President Trump.
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Speaker 5: Well, I'm not a... It's not my... My job is
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Speaker 5: to do my job as Australia's Prime Minister. And I
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Speaker 5: do that. I put our case, I put our arguments,
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Speaker 5: I do it respectfully, I do it publicly and I
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Speaker 5: do it privately. And I do... And I do it privately.
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Speaker 5: And that's one of.
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Speaker 4: And I do.
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Speaker 5: And I have a relationship with President Trump. where we
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Speaker 5: have conversations and we, to some people's surprise, it must
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Speaker 5: be said, have a very good relationship because we do
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Speaker 5: have a relationship where we engage with each other. As leaders, respectfully,
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Speaker 5: I intend to keep that. Thanks very much.
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Speaker 4: Didn't want to say, did he?
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Speaker 3: I mean, Albanese had time to grab a selfie with
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump, a man he says he's scared of. Well,
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Speaker 3: he said he's S scared of, he said, to use
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Speaker 3: the vernacular. Maybe Albanese is still too S scared of
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Speaker 3: Trump to raise the AI data breach, no matter how
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Speaker 3: important it is back in Australia. The topsy-turvy world of
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Speaker 3: the United Nations has been on.
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Speaker 4: Full display again.
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Speaker 3: Welcomed into the United Nations, welcomed into America, was the
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Speaker 3: president of the Islamic Republic of Iran.
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Speaker 4: Currently at war with the US.
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Speaker 3: And as ever, Iran was ranting against Israel.
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Speaker 6: Atomic and nuclear bombs are in the hands of the
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Speaker 6: Israeli regime, but the inspectors are requested to come to Iran. Hmm.
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Speaker 3: But Israel doesn't export terrorism, does it? Israel doesn't invade
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Speaker 3: its neighbours unprovoked and it doesn't aspire to the annihilation
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Speaker 3: of another country the way Iran is obsessed with eliminating Israel. Anyway,
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Speaker 3: this is the theatre of the absurd that plays out
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Speaker 3: at the United Nations every year. New York's Muslim Mayor
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Speaker 3: Zoran Mamdani laments that he can't arrest the Israeli Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister Benjamin Netanyahu when he arrives tomorrow. Yet the Iranian
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Speaker 3: president has free entry and free exit from the US
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Speaker 3: despite presiding over the slaughter of tens of thousands of
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Speaker 3: dissenters in his own country in the past few months
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Speaker 3: while sponsoring terror against Israel, starting a horrible war, prolonging it,
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Speaker 3: initiating an illegal nuclear weapons program and attacking his Sunni
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Speaker 3: Gulf neighbours. The Iranian president travels trouble-free to the USA
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Speaker 3: and pushes his propaganda. Could you imagine Donald Trump getting
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Speaker 3: away with the same in Tehran?
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Speaker 4: I rest my case.
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Speaker 3: Now, while Netanyahu will no doubt make a strong defence
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Speaker 3: of Israel's military actions in Gaza tomorrow, he's already made
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Speaker 3: one of the most pertinent contributions to the General Assembly
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Speaker 3: this week with a social media post that satirises the
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Speaker 3: Israel obsession of so many UN speakers.
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Speaker 5: Blame Israel.
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Speaker 4: Blame Israel.
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Speaker 2: Blame Israel.
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Speaker 4: Blame Israel. Blame Israel. Blame Israel. Blame Israel.
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Speaker 2: Blame Israel.
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Speaker 1: Blame Israel.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, funny, because it's true. Claim victimhood and blame Israel.
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Speaker 3: It's a familiar and dangerous refrain. And it's in this
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Speaker 3: topsy-turvy world that we saw Anthony Albanese receive a Global
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Speaker 3: Citizenship Award. apparently for stabilising the Indo-Pacific, which I guess
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Speaker 3: means kowtowing to China.
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Speaker 5: How Washington and Beijing manage their relationship really does matter profoundly,
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Speaker 5: and we've seen that this week. But it cannot be
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Speaker 5: the only lens through which we see the region, its
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Speaker 5: countries and its people are not spectators. They're shaping their
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Speaker 5: own future and they're writing their own script.
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Speaker 4: Albanese has been out of Australia.
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Speaker 3: All week on an unnecessary trip, especially given he went
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Speaker 3: to the General Assembly last year and especially given he
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Speaker 3: had Foreign Minister Penny Wong with him both times. Surely
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Speaker 3: one or the other could have handled this. A full
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Speaker 3: week in New York is indulgent in the extreme. It
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Speaker 3: makes you wonder if Albanese might be thinking this might
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Speaker 3: be his last time at the UN General Assembly. With
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Speaker 3: plunging poll numbers and dire personal popularity, Albanese increasingly looks
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Speaker 3: like yesterday's man. An early exit to his beach house
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Speaker 3: might be a very tempting way to end two terms
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Speaker 3: of government, retiring undefeated as a Labor hero, even if
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Speaker 3: he hasn't achieved much beyond a trillion dollars in debt.
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Speaker 3: Back onto the digital age, and the Albanese government keeps
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Speaker 3: spruiking its social media ban and its digital duty of
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Speaker 3: care legislation at the United Nations. The big question is
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Speaker 3: whether the government is going to give itself control over
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Speaker 3: digital content. Earlier this month, the minister was defensive on
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Speaker 3: this point.
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Speaker 4: But we do want Australians to have a choice.
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Speaker 7: At the moment, we're all subject to a private ranking
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Speaker 7: system that you did not choose and you cannot inspect,
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Speaker 7: and that's what we're.
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Speaker 4: Trying to fix here.
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Speaker 3: But in New York this week, the PM again talked
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Speaker 3: about being able to remove harmful content. He said his
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Speaker 3: new laws will make social media platforms give people choice,
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Speaker 3: choice over accepting algorithmic feeds and the ability to take
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Speaker 3: proactive measures to remove harmful content from their platforms. The
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Speaker 3: government gets lots of cheers about this stuff because we're
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Speaker 3: all against harmful content. But who gets to decide what
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Speaker 3: stays and what goes? Under a Labor-Greens government, any factual
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Speaker 3: approaches about climate change or renewable energy could be censored
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Speaker 3: under their view of what is harmful.
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Speaker 4: For instance.
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Speaker 3: Or they could censor views on immigration, national security, anything really.
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Speaker 3: And just to remind you that this is not alarmist,
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Speaker 3: this is not fear-mongering, just let me refresh your memory
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Speaker 3: about what we revealed three years ago with help from
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Speaker 3: Liberal Senator Alex Antic. As I reported then, your tax
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Speaker 3: dollars were used by your governments, Coalition and Labor, to
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Speaker 3: secretly censor social media posts about the COVID pandemic.
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Speaker 4: Here's what I said at the time.
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Speaker 3: Censorship that's still happening in this country as we speak.
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Speaker 3: Information from the Department of Home Affairs shows the government
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Speaker 3: intervened to have posts taken down from platforms such as Facebook,
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Speaker 3: Twitter and Instagram 4,213 times.
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Speaker 4: That's in less than three years.
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Speaker 3: That's about four times a day taking COVID-19 posts down.
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Speaker 3: And we don't know what's being taken down or why.
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Speaker 3: I mean, never forget the misinformation we were given during COVID.
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Speaker 4: It was astonishing.
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Speaker 3: It should have been a national scandal, but as you know,
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Speaker 3: the media was just as bad as the government when
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Speaker 3: it came to COVID propaganda and alarmism. Later, though, we
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Speaker 3: got access to what was censored. And much of it
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Speaker 3: was factual. We were able to show you that they'd
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Speaker 3: been taking, secretly taking down posts that were alerting people
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Speaker 3: to the truth, truths that didn't suit the government. The
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Speaker 3: point is that many of these were accurate posts, not
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Speaker 3: pushing misinformation, but the truth about vaccines, about pointing out
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Speaker 3: that they don't stop infection or transmission, and the truth
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Speaker 3: about how the virus probably originated from the Wuhan laboratory.
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Speaker 3: And also reasonable arguments against government lockdown and mask policies
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Speaker 3: that many experts declared ineffective. It's just a disgrace that
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Speaker 3: your tax dollars, more than a million of them, were
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Speaker 3: paid to an overseas media agency to identify these posts
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Speaker 3: and the government then asked them to be taken down,
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Speaker 3: denying you access to accurate information and reasonable debate.
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Speaker 4: So that was just three years ago. And again... This
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Speaker 4: secret censorship.
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Speaker 3: Occurred under both the Morrison Coalition government and the Albanese
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Speaker 3: Labor government.
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Speaker 4: And with this example, with.
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Speaker 3: This example fresh in our minds, my simple point is this.
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Speaker 3: We need to be very careful, extremely careful and highly
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Speaker 3: sceptical about giving governments any new powers over what content
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Speaker 3: can be blocked from any form of media.
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Speaker 4: We simply cannot trust them.
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Speaker 3: Now, I caught up this afternoon with the opposition leader,
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Speaker 3: Angus Taylor, and I asked him about his.
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Speaker 4: Thoughts on this AI breach of government departments and how
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Speaker 4: we found out about it today.
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Speaker 8: Well, Chris, thank you for having me. Well, of course,
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Speaker 8: any breach of data, government data, is a big deal.
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Speaker 8: But there's a lot of questions that haven't yet been answered.
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Speaker 8: When was the government first notified about this? What is
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Speaker 8: the nature of the vulnerability and have they fixed it?
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Speaker 8: But can I say, Chris, you know, the first job
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Speaker 8: of any government is to keep Australians safe. And in
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Speaker 8: the headland speech that the Prime Minister gave in July
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Speaker 8: on AI, he didn't mention cyber defence and cyber security.
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Speaker 2: He didn't talk about it. And yet you would have thought.
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Speaker 8: That would be the top of the list when it
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Speaker 8: comes to AI and keeping Australians safe. So frankly, there's
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Speaker 8: a lot of questions that haven't been answered. The government
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Speaker 8: needs to answer them. And the focus has to be
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Speaker 8: on keeping Australians safe.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the Prime Minister said in New York that
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Speaker 3: he's got Australians' backs on this issue. Well, he doesn't
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Speaker 3: seem to have our backs if this has happened as
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Speaker 3: far back as June, and we only know now about it.
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Speaker 4: But let's have a look at a little bit more
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Speaker 4: of what he's had to say in New York.
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Speaker 5: No personal information is believed to have been accessed at
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Speaker 5: this stage, but investigations are ongoing. Evidence currently available is
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Speaker 5: there is no broader compromise to the Services Australia network. Nonetheless,
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Speaker 5: this situation is obviously unacceptable.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's unacceptable.
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Speaker 3: We have to worry about whether the company here is culpable,
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Speaker 3: Angus Taylor, and or the government, or should they both
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Speaker 3: be in the frame?
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Speaker 8: Well, the truth of the matter is the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 8: I think, has demonstrated that he's not across this. He
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Speaker 8: said himself he's never used AI, Chris. But additional to that,
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Speaker 8: he's not been talking about the importance of cybersecurity when
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Speaker 8: it comes to AI. I have been talking about this
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Speaker 8: back since his speech in July and the omission of
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Speaker 8: that in his speech.
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Speaker 2: You know, your starting.
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Speaker 8: Point for any new technology has got to be keeping
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Speaker 8: Australians safe.
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Speaker 2: That hasn't been the focus.
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Speaker 8: He's gallivanting around New York right now and he's Treasurer
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Speaker 8: is off getting photo shoots in front of the mirror,
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Speaker 8: as are a number of his other ministers. I think
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Speaker 8: they need to get focused on the things that really
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Speaker 8: matter for Australians.
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Speaker 3: Well, is Anthony Albanese right, though, to say that we
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Speaker 3: need to constrain AI, that we need to legislate and
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Speaker 3: regulate it, or do you lean more to the Donald
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Speaker 3: Trump approach of open competition?
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Speaker 8: Well, I think competition is always good, but it's got
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Speaker 8: to be a technology that we use... to benefit us.
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Speaker 8: And that does mean you've got to understand the risks.
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Speaker 8: You've got to manage them. But you can't do that
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Speaker 8: if you don't recognise them. And so if you give
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Speaker 8: a headline speech and you don't even mention cybersecurity, there's
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Speaker 8: some real questions that have got to be asked when
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Speaker 8: we see this now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to take a lot of work to
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Speaker 3: actually keep ahead of the.
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Speaker 4: Game on this issue. We'll see what plays out. Let's
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Speaker 4: talk about.
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Speaker 3: The PM gallivanting around New York, as you say.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I agree with you.
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Speaker 3: I've done these trips before as Chief of Staff to
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Speaker 3: the Foreign Minister. It's unusual you have the Prime Minister...
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Speaker 3: and the Foreign Minister.
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Speaker 4: In New York. Unusual to be there for the whole week.
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Speaker 4: You'd normally have one or the other there for a
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Speaker 4: couple of days.
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Speaker 3: He's been there all week and he's accepted this Global
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Speaker 3: Citizenship Award. Has it been an indulgence or has he
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Speaker 3: done important work?
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Speaker 8: Well, he's over there getting some Man of the Year,
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Speaker 8: Global Man of the Year Award, a Citizen of the
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Speaker 8: Year Award. I mean, seriously, Chris, right now, back here...
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Speaker 8: We've got Australians suffering under diesel prices that are getting
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Speaker 8: to three bucks a litre.
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Speaker 2: We've got, of course, an economy that is in freefall.
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Speaker 8: We've got new employment data out today saying we've got
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Speaker 8: unemployment going up again. We've got interest rates that are
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Speaker 8: expected to increase next year, which will be the straw
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Speaker 8: that broke the camel's back for so many hardworking Australians.
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Speaker 8: I think he needs to get back and focus on
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Speaker 8: the issues that that really matter, axing his toxic taxes,
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Speaker 8: scrapping net zero, getting migration under control and putting Australians first,
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Speaker 8: certainly when it comes to keeping them safe.
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Speaker 2: That needs to be his focus.
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Speaker 8: He's at the Champagne Awards in black tie, being recognised
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Speaker 8: as some global citizen of the year.
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Speaker 2: Frankly, I think there's better ways to spend his time.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's have a look at some of what he
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Speaker 3: had to say in the black tie when he was
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Speaker 3: getting that global citizen award.
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Speaker 4: It surprised me. Here he is.
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Speaker 5: Our governments must build the capacity to withstand shocks they
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Speaker 5: did not cause and they cannot control. And that is
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Speaker 5: why Australia is strengthening our own sovereign capability. With our partners,
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Speaker 5: we are strengthening defence, but also strengthening economic security and
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Speaker 5: supply chain cooperation.
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Speaker 4: Now, this seems extraordinary.
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Speaker 3: It seems delusional because I can't remember a time where
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Speaker 3: we've been so vulnerable because we've racked up a trillion
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Speaker 3: dollars in debt. Our energy grid is unstable and he
17:36
Speaker 3: continues to go down this renewable energy transition. We all
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Speaker 3: know our defence forces are underprepared, both in staffing and technology,
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Speaker 3: and he's pretending that somehow he's protected our sovereignty.
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Speaker 8: Well, he can say that when he's overseas. I don't
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Speaker 8: think anyone here in Australia believes him. This is the
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Speaker 8: problem the Prime Minister has. He can't recognise when there's
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Speaker 8: problems anymore. He can't admit that he's got anything wrong.
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Speaker 8: So how can you fix the problem, Chris? And as
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Speaker 8: you rightly say, I mean, we've got an economy in freefall,
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Speaker 8: $ 4 trillion of debt. We've got an energy system that's
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Speaker 8: continuing to go up in cost. He needs to scrap
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Speaker 8: net zero. We just saw immigration numbers last week that
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Speaker 8: continue to be out of control. And our defence force
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Speaker 8: is underfunded, 2% of GDP. It's not enough. It needs
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Speaker 8: to get to three. And that's our commitment. All of
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Speaker 8: those things will be fixed under a coalition government. They
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Speaker 8: must be because we've got to get back on track,
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Speaker 8: fix our economy and protect our way of life.
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Speaker 3: I want to go back to earlier in the week
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Speaker 3: in the release of the Intergenerational Report. This is a
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Speaker 3: great innovation that was first brought in by former Treasurer
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Speaker 3: Peter Costello, so that there is.
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Speaker 4: A roadmap that shows where we're going.
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Speaker 3: As a nation in the next 40 years instead of
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Speaker 3: the next four months. But this report showed that we
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Speaker 3: are going to be in federal deficits for 40 years,
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Speaker 3: which I think is a damning indictment and a great
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Speaker 3: worry for this country. But have a look at what
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Speaker 3: Treasurer Jim Chalmers said about it.
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Speaker 9: One of the key conclusions I'm hoping that you draw
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Speaker 9: from this intergenerational report when you've gone through it in
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Speaker 9: detail is that every page of this IGR in one
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Speaker 9: way or another justifies, validates and I hope one day
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Speaker 9: vindicates the difficult decisions that we've taken reforming the housing
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Speaker 9: market and reforming the tax system.
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Speaker 4: Just extraordinary.
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Speaker 3: A Treasurer happy with record spending, record taxation and deficits
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Speaker 3: as far as the eye can see. The challenge for you, though,
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Speaker 3: Angus Taylor, is to explain how on earth you can
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Speaker 3: turn that around. What would you do to stop that
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Speaker 3: cycle of deficits and return the federal budget to a
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Speaker 3: sustainable surplus?
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Speaker 2: Well, you're right, Chrissie.
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Speaker 8: He's cooked the books and it's still crook with debt, deficit,
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Speaker 8: tax and spending out of control as far as the
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Speaker 8: eye can see. But the answer to that is straightforward.
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Speaker 8: We have to get spending under control, get rid of
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Speaker 8: Labor's corporate welfare, giving money to companies on the west
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Speaker 8: coast of the US, get rid of Labor's climate bureaucracy.
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Speaker 8: We'll scrap net zero and that bureaucracy can go with
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Speaker 8: it and all the spending with it. Get rid of
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Speaker 8: the housing bureaucracy that's not building new houses. We see
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Speaker 8: housing construction going backwards. And make sure that our welfare
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Speaker 8: money and NDIS money goes to Australian citizens, not non-Australians.
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Speaker 8: And we know there's very significant savings in all of that.
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Speaker 8: We've laid that out. Get that spending under control. Get
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Speaker 8: taxation under control. Axe Labor's toxic taxes, capital gains tax,
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Speaker 8: negative gearing, their trust tax on small businesses and bring
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Speaker 8: down income taxes.
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Speaker 2: That's our commitment. That's what we'll take to the next election.
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Speaker 8: And that, along with savings on containment of government spending,
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Speaker 8: we know can get our economy back on track.
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Speaker 3: Now, before I let you go, I'll just share that
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Speaker 3: you are going to the AFL Grand Final on Saturday,
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Speaker 3: as you should do.
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Speaker 4: It's the greatest day for.
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Speaker 3: This nation every year, in my view. Kylie Minogue is
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Speaker 3: the halftime entertainment. The NRL hasn't got any at this stage,
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Speaker 3: but the AFL's got Kylie Minogue. Anthony Albanese is not
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Speaker 3: going to get back from New York in time for
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Speaker 3: the grand final. Do you reckon he's deliberately delayed this
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Speaker 3: because it would be so embarrassing for him to be
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Speaker 3: at the Kylie Minogue concert after his public fantasising over her?
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Speaker 8: I think it would be a hard meeting. For both
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Speaker 8: of them, Chris. But I understand he met with a
21:36
Speaker 8: Japanese Prime Minister and I was disappointed that he didn't
21:39
Speaker 8: apologise to her. He should have done for the offensive
21:43
Speaker 8: comments he made in that same podcast. But anyway, I'm
21:47
Speaker 8: looking forward to the grand final. I haven't been to
21:49
Speaker 8: one before.
21:50
Speaker 2: I come from.
21:52
Speaker 8: from rugby league and rugby union country, but I'm really
21:55
Speaker 8: looking forward to what I understand is a fantastic event,
21:57
Speaker 8: a fantastic speak to you all.
21:59
Speaker 4: We all have our handicaps in life, Angus. You'll enjoy it.
22:02
Speaker 4: Thanks very much.
22:04
Speaker 2: Good to be with you.
22:06
Speaker 4: Yeah, good stuff there from Angus Taylor.
22:08
Speaker 3: Now, US President Donald Trump has met his Chinese counterpart,
22:11
Speaker 3: Xi Jinping, in Washington.
22:13
Speaker 4: It's ahead of talks at the White House set to
22:15
Speaker 4: take place a little later our time.
22:18
Speaker 3: And the development of AI is likely to be top
22:20
Speaker 3: of the agenda. It's a the potential flashpoint between the
22:23
Speaker 3: pair after Trump made these comments at the UN earlier
22:27
Speaker 3: in the week.
22:28
Speaker 10: Whoever wins AI, you have to remember this. And now
22:31
Speaker 10: I say, whoever wins SI, whoever wins super intelligent wins.
22:39
Speaker 10: And we're leading now over China by a lot and
22:42
Speaker 10: everyone else. And we're going to keep it that way.
22:45
Speaker 10: We're going to keep it very, very straight and very strong.
22:49
Speaker 10: I'm not going to stifle growth of something that will
22:52
Speaker 10: be bigger than the Industrial Revolution.
22:55
Speaker 3: Now, Xi might have been a little fazed by those comments,
22:58
Speaker 3: but he certainly wasn't shocked by the military flyover that
23:01
Speaker 3: the Americans put on for him.
23:03
Speaker 4: Have a look.
23:04
Speaker 3: Donald Trump seemed a little rattled at first. Let's bring
23:15
Speaker 3: in the former Foreign Minister of this great country, Alexander Downer,
23:18
Speaker 3: who joins me on the set. Thanks for joining us, Alexander.
23:20
Speaker 3: Xi and Trump, a lot of focus on AI.
23:24
Speaker 4: No doubt they'll discuss that.
23:25
Speaker 3: They are trying to communicate the two countries about AI.
23:29
Speaker 3: But will the focus really be about China's intentions in
23:33
Speaker 3: East Asia and particularly around Taiwan?
23:35
Speaker 11: Well, I think, who knows, but I think that President
23:40
Speaker 11: Trump is right to understand that a working relationship with
23:45
Speaker 11: Xi Jinping and the Chinese government is essential and it's
23:49
Speaker 11: in all of our interests. I mean, the two countries
23:52
Speaker 11: have to coexist. Nobody's going to get rid of the
23:55
Speaker 11: communist government in China. That's not going to happen anytime soon.
24:00
Speaker 11: So they may as well have a working relationship. And
24:03
Speaker 11: President Trump is also right. The United States needs to
24:07
Speaker 11: keep a technological lead over China, whether it's AI or
24:12
Speaker 11: other sorts of technology, because the Chinese know that their
24:17
Speaker 11: century of humiliation was because the Europeans had a huge
24:22
Speaker 11: technological lead over them.
24:25
Speaker 4: So they.
24:26
Speaker 11: They're investing very heavily in technology. Let's hope the Americans
24:30
Speaker 11: can maintain their lead.
24:31
Speaker 3: Now, Trump has so many critics and they'll criticise him
24:34
Speaker 3: about anything and everything. But he understands these relationships and
24:39
Speaker 3: who he needs to deal with. And I saw a
24:41
Speaker 3: lot of criticism about Trump turning up at the airport
24:44
Speaker 3: to put on that red carpet welcome for Xi Jinping,
24:47
Speaker 3: saying that this is a victory for the Chinese now,
24:50
Speaker 3: showing that America is deferring to them.
24:52
Speaker 4: Surely that is nonsense.
24:53
Speaker 3: Surely this is Trump showing how seriously he takes the relationship.
24:57
Speaker 11: So I'm not 100% supporter of Trump. There are times
25:00
Speaker 11: when I've been critical of him. But, of course, this
25:03
Speaker 11: is right.
25:04
Speaker 4: Yeah.
25:05
Speaker 11: The United States needs to concentrate on the great power
25:10
Speaker 11: centres of the world. We need the Americans to balance
25:15
Speaker 11: Chinese power in the Indo-Pacific region, but we need the
25:19
Speaker 11: United States to have a relationship of coexistence with China.
25:25
Speaker 11: It's not going to help if the United States goes
25:27
Speaker 11: to war with China. More than that, what plus is
25:33
Speaker 11: there if the Trump administration is rude to Xi Jinping.
25:39
Speaker 4: I mean... Rude or aloof. What benefit?
25:41
Speaker 11: I mean, imagine the media criticism and the political criticism
25:46
Speaker 11: if there was a suggestion of them being rude to
25:49
Speaker 11: Xi Jinping. But having been polite, there's criticism of that too.
25:54
Speaker 11: I think a lot of the criticism of President Trump
25:57
Speaker 11: you can.
25:58
Speaker 4: Pretty much ignore as Trump. derangement syndrome. Indeed.
26:02
Speaker 3: Let's talk about Anthony Albanese's big week in New York.
26:05
Speaker 3: It sounds a bit like Ferris Bueller's day off.
26:07
Speaker 4: Here was one serious encounter with the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
26:11
Speaker 5: Australia proudly stands with Ukraine. We made that commitment at
26:16
Speaker 5: the very beginning of this conflict and we have not
26:20
Speaker 5: wavered and we will not waver.
26:23
Speaker 3: Thank you for such great support from the very beginning
26:25
Speaker 3: of this war.
26:26
Speaker 4: Australian people always been on the side of Ukraine.
26:30
Speaker 3: Now, meeting Zelensky, giving more aid to Ukraine, you can't
26:33
Speaker 3: knock that, but has this been a useful week for
26:36
Speaker 3: Anthony Albanese or an indulgence?
26:38
Speaker 4: No.
26:39
Speaker 11: The thing about Albanese that people need to understand is
26:43
Speaker 11: he's a master of politics, of political stunts. So what's
26:49
Speaker 11: his stunt been this week?
26:50
Speaker 12: AI.
26:52
Speaker 4: So he's in.
26:53
Speaker 11: I mean, his previous... narrative was that the world was
26:57
Speaker 11: going to melt because of climate change. He's moved on
27:02
Speaker 11: from that. Apparently we've fixed climate change with our windmills.
27:07
Speaker 11: So now we're going to be overtaken by robots through
27:12
Speaker 11: AI and they release the hacking of Medicare statistics.
27:20
Speaker 4: They've sat on the information for this.
27:22
Speaker 1: It's so obvious, right?
27:25
Speaker 11: I'm surprised the media haven't really exposed this.
27:29
Speaker 4: They've sat on this.
27:30
Speaker 11: They've decided to release it this week because this is
27:34
Speaker 11: the week where Albanese has decided Australia is going to
27:38
Speaker 11: stand up to these behemoths who are developing AI. I mean,
27:44
Speaker 11: it's factuous stuff and it's just party politics.
27:48
Speaker 4: That's all it's about. It's not about anything else. Thanks
27:52
Speaker 4: for joining us, Alexander. I appreciate it. Alexander Downer there.
27:55
Speaker 4: We're going to go to a break.
27:56
Speaker 3: On the other side, let's get back into the economy
27:59
Speaker 3: with the Reserve Bank expected to increase interest.
28:02
Speaker 4: Rates yet again on Tuesday next week.
28:06
Speaker 3: How much of that can be laid? The blame for
28:08
Speaker 3: that can be laid at the government's feet. I'll find
28:11
Speaker 3: out after this break. Let's get back into the economy
28:18
Speaker 3: and looming interest rate rises. I'm joined now by Dimitri
28:21
Speaker 3: Berstein from Eminence Advisory.
28:23
Speaker 4: Good to speak to you again, Dimitri.
28:24
Speaker 3: Let's start off with the interest rate decision on Tuesday.
28:28
Speaker 4: What chances we see another rise? Very high, Chris.
28:31
Speaker 13: I mean, I think the money markets were predicting a
28:34
Speaker 13: couple of weeks ago 80% to 90%. I think it's
28:37
Speaker 13: probably a certainty. I mean, the question is not whether
28:40
Speaker 13: we have one next week next week, but how many
28:42
Speaker 13: more we have before the end.
28:43
Speaker 1: Of the year.
28:44
Speaker 4: Whether we get another one pre-Christmas. Possibly, yes. Wow. Now,
28:48
Speaker 4: I had David.
28:49
Speaker 3: Koch on the show last night about his public letter
28:52
Speaker 3: to the RBA governor, calling on her effectively to tell
28:57
Speaker 3: people what's driving inflation, and he's saying that it's largely
29:01
Speaker 3: caused by government spending, federal and state, and that needs
29:04
Speaker 3: to be called out by the RBA so people realise this, perhaps,
29:07
Speaker 3: and there's pressure on governments to rein it in.
29:10
Speaker 2: Is he right?
29:11
Speaker 4: Is the real problem here government spending?
29:13
Speaker 13: Well, he's partly right, but let's not forget the RBA
29:16
Speaker 13: doesn't have clean hands here. I mean, you know, part
29:19
Speaker 13: of the problem was started when they kept interest rates
29:22
Speaker 13: too low for too long. They reversed course and then,
29:25
Speaker 13: you know, early last year they decided to start cutting again,
29:29
Speaker 13: you know, going into an election season, so without inflation
29:35
Speaker 13: being within band. So they haven't got clean hands. But, yes,
29:39
Speaker 13: a government spending is clearly part of the problem, but
29:42
Speaker 13: it's not the only part of the problem That's the
29:43
Speaker 13: demand side of the equation. The government is also through
29:46
Speaker 13: taxes Regulation energy policy is suffocating the supply side and So,
29:53
Speaker 13: you know, when you're holding, you know, both ends of
29:56
Speaker 13: the market to hostage, you're going to get inflation.
29:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we don't hear the Reserve Bank Governor call
30:03
Speaker 3: that out in clear terms either. I don't want to
30:06
Speaker 3: be unfair. I've seen her referred to... And I've seen...
30:09
Speaker 3: I haven't seen her refer to energy, but this is,
30:11
Speaker 3: to me, an obvious area where government policy is pushing
30:14
Speaker 3: up costs.
30:15
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
30:16
Speaker 13: And, you know, let's not also forget about, you know,
30:19
Speaker 13: the level of debt with bond rates going up. You know,
30:23
Speaker 13: at the moment, a trillion dollars of debt at the 5.4% rate.
30:28
Speaker 13: That costs the budget $ 1, 700 a second. By the time
30:33
Speaker 13: you and I finish this interview, the government will probably
30:36
Speaker 13: rack up half a million dollars of debt, of interest,
30:39
Speaker 13: I should say.
30:40
Speaker 3: Now, an idea that Koshy had was there should be
30:42
Speaker 3: some sort of a national cabinet where they agree on
30:45
Speaker 3: some fiscal discipline, set targets on spending it, keeping it
30:50
Speaker 3: at certain levels, and so that they are then called
30:53
Speaker 3: out publicly if they exceed it.
30:55
Speaker 4: Here's David Kosh on this last night.
30:58
Speaker 14: Sign up to a target that keeps their spending and
31:02
Speaker 14: keeps inflation flat. And if any state governments or local
31:06
Speaker 14: governments or federal government breach that, well, then they're named
31:11
Speaker 14: and shamed.
31:12
Speaker 4: A good idea, or should we tell him he's dreaming?
31:15
Speaker 11: Well.
31:17
Speaker 4: Big deal. You know, you.
31:19
Speaker 13: You know, show me a politician who's not going to
31:21
Speaker 13: go on a spend-up before an election or change his
31:23
Speaker 13: mind after promising otherwise. I think the incentives are there
31:27
Speaker 13: at the moment to increase spending. I think what we
31:30
Speaker 13: need to do, there's... You know, I'm not saying it's
31:32
Speaker 13: a simple solution, but I'd like, for example... Let's have
31:34
Speaker 13: a conversation about linking politician and, you know, departmental secretary
31:38
Speaker 13: salaries to... you know, productivity, to inflation, to debt levels.
31:43
Speaker 13: But that'll never happen because they'll never allow it.
31:46
Speaker 3: Just tell us, I've been chatting to you off air,
31:48
Speaker 3: you're pretty pessimistic about where our economy's going, where our
31:52
Speaker 3: country's going at the moment. Give me your picture of
31:56
Speaker 3: where we're going to be 12 months from now.
31:59
Speaker 13: You know, there's a light at the end of the
32:00
Speaker 13: tunnel and it's an oncoming train. It's not pretty. I
32:05
Speaker 13: think the, you know, productivity's going nowhere. That means that
32:08
Speaker 13: anything Any inch of economic growth is going to stimulate inflation.
32:13
Speaker 13: Taxes are going up. Inflation's going up. I honestly don't
32:17
Speaker 13: see how we're going to turn around with current policy settings.
32:23
Speaker 4: AI, according to the government. AI will fix it all.
32:26
Speaker 13: S-I, I think it was.
32:27
Speaker 5: S-I!
32:28
Speaker 3: I reckon it should be S-D-I. Super-duper intelligence. But Trump
32:33
Speaker 3: will get on to that soon. Thanks for joining us, Dimitri.
32:35
Speaker 3: Appreciate it.
32:35
Speaker 1: Thanks, Chris.
32:36
Speaker 3: Dimitri Berstein there on the economy and our difficulties here.
32:39
Speaker 3: After the break, we've got something to lighten up about
32:41
Speaker 3: the AFL grand final and how it's going to actually
32:44
Speaker 3: have wharf-y time this time around.
32:46
Speaker 4: Don't go away, mate.
32:53
Speaker 3: Now, if you needed any more evidence that net zero
32:55
Speaker 3: is making us poorer and reducing our quality of life,
32:58
Speaker 3: then have a listen to this.
33:00
Speaker 4: A new poll from Affordable Energy Australia.
33:03
Speaker 3: Has found that nearly two in three Victorians have had
33:06
Speaker 3: to cut back on heating, groceries or other essentials just
33:10
Speaker 3: to help afford their rising energy bills. It also found
33:14
Speaker 3: that just under 35%, that's more than a third of people,
33:18
Speaker 3: have actually gone without heating or cooling to help make
33:21
Speaker 3: ends meet. Now, stats like these make the common-sense message
33:25
Speaker 3: of the likes of the Coalition's Dan Tehan ring pretty true.
33:30
Speaker 12: We need to take a chainsaw to Labor's green, ideologically-driven
33:36
Speaker 12: approach to energy. We need to start using all our
33:44
Speaker 12: own natural resources....
33:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was Dan Tehan announcing the Coalition's energy policy yesterday.
33:51
Speaker 3: Let's bring in Affordable Energy Australia's Zoe Hilton. Good to
33:55
Speaker 3: talk to you again, Zoe. This polling is not surprising
33:58
Speaker 3: to me, really. It's distressing because it's causing people real harm.
34:03
Speaker 3: But this has always been an annoying thing about the
34:06
Speaker 3: green energy agenda because it's often driven by people.
34:09
Speaker 4: Who are quite wealthy and comfortable... And energy is not
34:12
Speaker 4: a big part of their weekly costs.
34:15
Speaker 3: But for people on fixed incomes or low incomes, energy
34:18
Speaker 3: is a massive part of their weekly budget, right?
34:20
Speaker 4: Exactly.
34:21
Speaker 7: It's really hard for Victorians at the moment, and you
34:24
Speaker 7: can clearly see from the polling that they're struggling. And
34:27
Speaker 7: I just was recently in Victoria, I was speaking to
34:29
Speaker 7: people in Gippsland, and it was very clear when I
34:33
Speaker 7: asked people, are you struggling to pay your bills? Have
34:35
Speaker 7: you had to cut back on heating, on groceries? The
34:38
Speaker 7: answer across the board was either yes, or it was
34:42
Speaker 7: not for me personally, but I have family or friends
34:44
Speaker 7: that are having to do that. Or it was people
34:46
Speaker 7: with rooftop solar. And so, yes, when people are able
34:50
Speaker 7: to get rooftop solar or home batteries using subsidies and
34:52
Speaker 7: they're able to shift their network costs onto other people,
34:55
Speaker 7: then they might be OK, but everyone else is not
34:58
Speaker 7: going to be. And so you're seeing this divide where
35:00
Speaker 7: some people are doing OK and some people, you know,
35:03
Speaker 7: they have EVs and they have all that and they're
35:04
Speaker 7: able to reduce energy costs and other people just can't.
35:07
Speaker 4: I expect the elderly would be particularly... Badly hit?
35:11
Speaker 7: I think it's definitely... I was talking to many older
35:14
Speaker 7: Australians down in Gippsland and, yeah, and they're really concerned
35:17
Speaker 7: because that's the truth. They have a fixed income.
35:21
Speaker 4: They're a fixed income. They can't deal with rising energy prices.
35:23
Speaker 4: They often spend a lot of time at home.
35:24
Speaker 6: Yeah.
35:25
Speaker 4: And they need good heating and cooling. Yeah. It's cold
35:28
Speaker 4: down there. And cold, right? So it's a hell of
35:30
Speaker 4: a worry.
35:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is.
35:32
Speaker 4: Rural health concerns.
35:33
Speaker 3: Now, another part of your polling looked at the Yallourn
35:36
Speaker 3: coal-fired power stations. and a lot of support for people
35:39
Speaker 3: keeping that operating. It makes sense, of course, but what's
35:43
Speaker 3: driving the public perception of that?
35:46
Speaker 4: Why do they want it kept in place?
35:48
Speaker 7: I think we've seen a growing sense of urgency from
35:51
Speaker 7: Victorians because they're looking at their energy grid going, oh,
35:54
Speaker 7: we were supposed to be replacing the coal with offshore
35:57
Speaker 7: wind and now that's being delayed until who knows when,
36:00
Speaker 7: and that has all sorts of problems, namely that it
36:03
Speaker 7: can't actually run 24-7. And so they're looking at this
36:06
Speaker 7: closure date of 2028 for Yulon and then 2035 for
36:09
Speaker 7: Luoyang as well shortly after it and going, how are
36:11
Speaker 7: we going to have enough energy to keep the lights on?
36:14
Speaker 7: And there's serious reliability concerns. And governments have just been
36:17
Speaker 7: kicking the can down the road for many years in Victoria.
36:21
Speaker 7: And so I think people are waking up to the
36:23
Speaker 7: fact and going, no, we need something right now. We
36:25
Speaker 7: don't want promises. We want real, affordable, reliable energy right now.
36:30
Speaker 3: So you think it's the security issue? People are aware
36:32
Speaker 3: of that security more so than price at the moment
36:34
Speaker 3: when it comes to your lawn?
36:36
Speaker 7: I think it's both because brown coal in Victoria has
36:40
Speaker 7: been what has allowed Victoria to have the cheapest energy
36:43
Speaker 7: in the country for so long. Like, people have gotten
36:45
Speaker 7: used to that and now suddenly it's going to be
36:47
Speaker 7: taken away and they're realising, oh, maybe we've taken this
36:50
Speaker 7: for granted and this is going to cause a lot
36:52
Speaker 7: more problems.
36:53
Speaker 9: Than we thought.
36:53
Speaker 3: No sign that the government's listening, but people certainly are.
36:57
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Zoe. Zoe Hilton there from Affordable
37:00
Speaker 3: Energy Australia.
37:02
Speaker 4: Let's get on to sport now.
37:03
Speaker 3: I want to go down to Victoria and catch up
37:04
Speaker 3: with sports broadcaster Mark Robbo-Robinson, live from Inverloch. Robbo, I
37:10
Speaker 3: love this time of the year in some ways, but
37:12
Speaker 3: I hate it too because there's only one game of
37:14
Speaker 3: footy left. And it's the grand final, but no Melbourne
37:18
Speaker 3: teams in the grand final this year. It's Frio versus
37:21
Speaker 3: the Brisbane Lions. Let's start on the Lions and Lockie Neal.
37:26
Speaker 4: What's happening there?
37:27
Speaker 3: Is he in the court, are Brisbane in the courtroom
37:29
Speaker 3: right now trying to get his one-game ban overturned?
37:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, it started at 4pm.
37:34
Speaker 15: I've seen and read some of their submissions from Adrian Anderson. No,
37:38
Speaker 15: they're clutching at straws. I mean, I personally want Lockie
37:41
Speaker 15: to play. But their defence is clutching at straws a little.
37:47
Speaker 15: I want him to play because 320-odd games.
37:52
Speaker 1: Two Brownlow medals.
37:53
Speaker 15: When it comes to a decision like this, I think
37:55
Speaker 15: that's got to be taken into account. And I've went
37:58
Speaker 15: from medium down to it's not about that. It's not
38:01
Speaker 15: a good bloke situation. He's a very fair player. Now,
38:05
Speaker 15: they're going to make that decision. The AFL wiped him out.
38:08
Speaker 15: He'll appeal. I think he will get off. and he'll
38:11
Speaker 15: be able to play on the weekend, which is really
38:14
Speaker 15: good because these two teams, you remember, Chris, and I've
38:17
Speaker 15: spoken to you about this and you'll agree with me,
38:19
Speaker 15: four or five years ago, the AFL footy was.
38:22
Speaker 1: Bogged down in defence.
38:23
Speaker 7: Yeah.
38:24
Speaker 15: And last weekend in the preliminary final, we saw the
38:27
Speaker 15: peak of attacking football in one of the greatest games
38:30
Speaker 15: that's ever played. And what we're going to have on
38:32
Speaker 15: Saturday is two very attacking teams. Now, it's going to
38:37
Speaker 15: be in a bit of rain, so that might, hurt
38:39
Speaker 15: the spectacle a bit.
38:40
Speaker 1: But these two teams are extremely attacking.
38:44
Speaker 15: And so I'm expecting a very exciting game, even though
38:46
Speaker 15: it's going to be wet.
38:48
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what we love.
38:49
Speaker 3: It's one of the great strengths of Aussie rules against
38:52
Speaker 3: all other footy sports is that it's so attacking. And
38:55
Speaker 3: you're right, the last few years it's... It's become even
38:57
Speaker 3: more attacking, which is great after going through that horrible
38:59
Speaker 3: defensive phase.
39:01
Speaker 4: I've got to tell you that.
39:02
Speaker 3: The AFL are going to allow wharfing time at the MCG.
39:07
Speaker 4: Now, if you don't know what wharfing time is, here's
39:10
Speaker 4: a sample.
39:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Fremantle Dockers are the Wharfies and when they're
39:24
Speaker 3: in strife, they ring the bell and the stadium lights
39:27
Speaker 3: up in Perth and the crowd gets behind them. So
39:30
Speaker 3: it's going to be a lot of fun allowing them
39:31
Speaker 3: to have that home ground.
39:35
Speaker 4: Cheering, I suppose, at the G on Saturday, Robbo.
39:39
Speaker 15: Yeah, it was one of the great innovations, and I
39:42
Speaker 15: only played it twice, but it left such an impact.
39:45
Speaker 1: On the footy club and with the footy fans. Now,
39:47
Speaker 1: the AFL has given Fremantle permission to play at once.
39:51
Speaker 1: Once only. And I think that's a little bit unfair.
39:55
Speaker 15: I'd like to see him play at midway through the
39:57
Speaker 15: last quarter, a free-mail up by 35 points.
39:59
Speaker 1: And get the crowd up. It's part of the entertainment.
40:02
Speaker 1: They've allowed the Lions to play their songs. Charlie.
40:09
Speaker 1: If Charlie kicks a goal, it's, you know, John Denver.
40:12
Speaker 3: Well, let me jump in there because for those who
40:15
Speaker 3: don't know, in their home games, Charlie Cameron kicks a
40:18
Speaker 3: goal and he kicks plenty.
40:20
Speaker 4: He gives us John Denver and the crowd get into it.
40:22
Speaker 4: Have a.
40:24
Speaker 7: Look.
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Speaker 4: Can kick the first for the Lions.
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Speaker 3: Couldn't be in better form.
40:27
Speaker 4: 55 goals for the year. Five goals straight last week.
40:31
Speaker 3: Was superb in last year's grand final and.
40:34
Speaker 4: So it proves.
40:37
Speaker 3: Well, that's just Charlie kicking a goal. The point is
40:39
Speaker 3: that after that, they play Take Me Home, Country Roads,
40:42
Speaker 3: and the whole crowd sings it right away.
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Speaker 1: Why don't you sing a couple of lines now, Chris?
40:47
Speaker 4: Because I'd butcher it.
40:49
Speaker 3: I hope Charlie kicks plenty on Saturday. Look, it's an
40:53
Speaker 3: amazing story, really. The Brisbane Lions up there, look, it's
40:57
Speaker 3: not a footy state. It's still primarily an NRL state, Queensland.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
41:01
Speaker 3: But this mob got three in a row back in
41:04
Speaker 3: the turn of the century and now they're lining up
41:07
Speaker 3: to get three in a row again.
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Speaker 15: People talk about, you know, sustained success in sport and
41:12
Speaker 15: it's really difficult. It really is difficult because there's turnover
41:15
Speaker 15: players and I don't think culture is transferred from one
41:18
Speaker 15: group to another. But for the Brisbane Lions who, you know,
41:22
Speaker 15: they were sort of formed in the mid-90s when Fitzroy
41:25
Speaker 15: folded and up they went, they won it. 201, 202,
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Speaker 15: 203 under Lee Matthews. And for a guy like Chris Fagan,
41:33
Speaker 15: if you like stories in sport, and we all do, Chris,
41:36
Speaker 15: the players have got a story to tell. And Chris Fagan,
41:40
Speaker 15: this man from nowhere in north-west Tasmania, he never played.
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Speaker 1: At the highest level.
41:45
Speaker 15: Everyone thought that was a negative for him. And he's
41:48
Speaker 15: proved to be one of the most popular coaches by
41:51
Speaker 15: all fans.
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Speaker 1: He's respected, he's liked. And for him to achieve... It's not.
41:56
Speaker 15: Impossible for him to achieve three in a row for
42:00
Speaker 15: a club that only did it 20 years ago. is
42:03
Speaker 15: just a monumental individual effort. Now, this talk he may
42:07
Speaker 15: quit after this game, I don't know. I think the
42:10
Speaker 15: lure of four in a row to equal Collingwood in
42:13
Speaker 15: the late 30s might be too much for him to ignore.
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Speaker 3: We will see. And, of course, if Freo win it,
42:18
Speaker 3: it's their first and they make history. So it's going
42:20
Speaker 3: to be a fantastic day no matter what. Thanks for
42:22
Speaker 3: joining us, Robbo. I appreciate it.
42:24
Speaker 4: We've got to go to a break now.
42:26
Speaker 3: We'll catch up with Tim Blair and I'll show you
42:28
Speaker 3: an incredible example of climate alarmism. Hey, just to get
42:38
Speaker 3: us into Tim Blair, let me share with you another
42:40
Speaker 3: astonishing piece of climate alarmism.
42:42
Speaker 4: This time it comes from The Guardian. Surprise, surprise.
42:45
Speaker 3: And it tells us that between now and February, there'll
42:48
Speaker 3: be 450,000 extra deaths due to heat thanks to the
42:54
Speaker 3: El Nino effect exacerbated by what The Guardian.
42:57
Speaker 4: Calls the climate crisis.
42:58
Speaker 3: 450,000 extra people killed by global warming.
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Speaker 4: They reckon.
43:04
Speaker 3: That's their claim, and that's the fear-mongering they run in
43:07
Speaker 3: the green-left media, of course. But when you drill into
43:10
Speaker 3: this story, they have a country-by-country breakdown, and The Guardian
43:14
Speaker 3: tells us that Australia will see an extra 260 deaths
43:19
Speaker 3: by February.
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Speaker 4: 260 people.
43:22
Speaker 3: So we've got to remember to check in with them
43:23
Speaker 3: and their numbers in February next year.
43:25
Speaker 4: We're looking for 450,000 deaths....
43:28
Speaker 3: Around the world and 260 in Australia.
43:31
Speaker 4: Let's go to Tim Blair in Western Victoria. Look out, Tim.
43:35
Speaker 4: There's going to be people dropping like flies.
43:38
Speaker 16: Me, I'm out here in the Wimmera Mallee area. It
43:41
Speaker 16: gets a bit toasty out here during the summer months, so,
43:44
Speaker 16: you know, it's been nice knowing everybody, I suppose, and
43:48
Speaker 16: we'll see if we can scrape through. Now, this kind
43:50
Speaker 16: of hype, this sort of mania for exaggeration and so on, disguises,
43:55
Speaker 16: in this case, a couple of things.
43:56
Speaker 12: One.
43:57
Speaker 16: They're talking about an El Nino effect, which is a
43:59
Speaker 16: naturally occurring phenomenon, which is mentioned in the article just
44:01
Speaker 16: sort of by the by.
44:02
Speaker 4: Oh, you know, there's this thing.
44:04
Speaker 16: Yes, it is naturally occurring, but they say that climate
44:06
Speaker 16: change somehow supercharges it. Climate change is magic like that.
44:09
Speaker 16: It takes any circumstance and turns it deadly. And the
44:13
Speaker 16: second thing is people who've got a memory that goes
44:16
Speaker 16: back more than a few weeks will recall maybe there
44:19
Speaker 16: was a case a few years ago, well, millions of
44:22
Speaker 16: cases actually, where they've suggested... Absolute disaster is going to happen.
44:26
Speaker 16: But one specific one, back in 2005, the UN ran
44:32
Speaker 16: a thing claiming there would be millions of climate refugees
44:35
Speaker 16: by the year 2010. And then 2010 rocked around. There
44:39
Speaker 16: weren't millions of climate refugees there. and they quietly deleted
44:42
Speaker 16: it from the internet.
44:43
Speaker 4: All their warnings.
44:44
Speaker 16: So journalism students, get a screen grab of this Guardian
44:48
Speaker 16: stuff and we'll wave it around, you know, come wintertime
44:51
Speaker 16: in Australia next year.
44:52
Speaker 4: We'll see how we're going.
44:53
Speaker 2: Come March the 1st.
44:53
Speaker 3: Come March the 1st next year. I mean, it's like
44:55
Speaker 3: Prince Charles and then King Charles. How many times has
44:59
Speaker 3: he announced a tipping point at which, you know, if
45:01
Speaker 3: we don't get on top of climate by next year,
45:04
Speaker 3: we're all going to die?
45:05
Speaker 4: It just goes on and on.
45:07
Speaker 3: Hey, let's go to the footy finals and more to
45:10
Speaker 3: the point, the.
45:11
Speaker 4: the halftime entertainment.
45:13
Speaker 3: I've mentioned Kylie Minogue's going to be playing at the
45:15
Speaker 3: MCG on Saturday, but the NRL has been left without
45:18
Speaker 3: any halftime entertainment.
45:20
Speaker 4: Here's the NRL boss, Peter Volandes.
45:23
Speaker 6: Because it costs between $ 1 million and $ 1. 5 million when
45:26
Speaker 6: you add production for 11 minutes. And people come to
45:30
Speaker 6: our game for our game, for the entertainment of rugby league,
45:34
Speaker 6: not for 11 minutes of pop concert. If you want
45:36
Speaker 6: to go to a pop concert, you buy a ticket
45:38
Speaker 6: to go to a pop concert.
45:40
Speaker 4: Now, I love this, Tim.
45:42
Speaker 3: I love the way suddenly halftime entertainment.
45:44
Speaker 4: Doesn't matter because they've botched theirs up.
45:47
Speaker 3: And in Sydney, all the radio talk is about, you know,
45:50
Speaker 3: who could they get?
45:51
Speaker 4: Why don't they get this person or that person?
45:53
Speaker 3: But apparently Shannon Knoll has proposed himself. Here's a reminder
45:59
Speaker 3: of Shannon at his best.
46:09
Speaker 4: What about Knowlesy for halftime?
46:12
Speaker 16: It's not really the sort of message you want to
46:14
Speaker 16: drive home at halfway into grand final, this sort of
46:16
Speaker 16: pleading sort of loser talk. You know, come on, give
46:19
Speaker 16: us a break, mean referees. But I understand the expediency
46:24
Speaker 16: of Peter Valente's argument and that he's trying to make
46:27
Speaker 16: a bit of a silk purse here in the situation,
46:29
Speaker 16: but it's actually quite a resonant argument. A lot of people,
46:32
Speaker 16: a lot of genuine rugby league people and AFL people
46:35
Speaker 16: for that matter down in the AFL states, are very
46:39
Speaker 16: much focused more on the game than they are on
46:41
Speaker 16: the entertainment. And they are a little bit tired, I think,
46:44
Speaker 16: a lot of people have... of how the entertainment's becoming
46:47
Speaker 16: the major thing. People are a bit concerned that we
46:49
Speaker 16: don't want to go down the road of the Super
46:50
Speaker 16: Bowl where the major thing is the entertainment, with a
46:53
Speaker 16: game attached.
46:54
Speaker 3: Well, whether I'm at the game or on TV, I
46:56
Speaker 3: couldn't give a stuff about the entertainment, to be frank.
46:59
Speaker 3: At the game, I want to go get a beer
47:01
Speaker 3: and go to the loo, and if I'm at home, likewise, probably.
47:04
Speaker 3: But anyway, some people seem to enjoy it. We actually
47:08
Speaker 3: have tracked down that Country Roads being played at the
47:12
Speaker 3: Gabba when Charlie Cameron kicks a goal.
47:14
Speaker 4: Let's have a look at that now.
47:16
Speaker 2: Charlie did use his body really well.
47:19
Speaker 3: Just when John Denver's royalty payments look like going down,
47:22
Speaker 3: Charlie pops up.
47:25
Speaker 2: And another clearance for Brisbane. McCarthy trying to get busy.
47:27
Speaker 4: Here's Charlie again.
47:28
Speaker 3: Cue that song back up.
47:33
Speaker 4: I love it.
47:33
Speaker 3: Even when the loudspeakers stopped playing John Denver, the crowd
47:37
Speaker 3: was still singing.
47:37
Speaker 4: So I hope we hear plenty of that at the
47:40
Speaker 4: MCG on Saturday. Now, Tim, I've got to get your
47:43
Speaker 4: thoughts on Albo today. at the UN this week. And
47:46
Speaker 4: I'm going to.
47:47
Speaker 3: Replay a clip that I showed at the top of
47:48
Speaker 3: the program, which I think was the most astute commentary
47:52
Speaker 3: on the General Assembly and what gets said there in
47:54
Speaker 3: a long while. It came courtesy of the Israeli Prime
47:57
Speaker 3: Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's social media posts.
48:01
Speaker 4: Have a look. Ladies and gentlemen, Blame Israel. Blame Israel.
48:09
Speaker 4: Blame Israel. Blame Israel.
48:11
Speaker 2: Blame Israel. Blame Israel.
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Speaker 7: Blame Israel.
48:13
Speaker 1: Blame Israel.
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Speaker 3: They could have saved a lot of carbon emissions just
48:20
Speaker 3: by playing that clip and letting everyone stay at home.
48:24
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
48:24
Speaker 16: Just a lesson to the Palestinians and everyone else who
48:28
Speaker 16: are against Israel. Don't take on the people with his
48:31
Speaker 16: greatest historic claim to a sense of humour. You're never
48:34
Speaker 16: going to beat them. They're always going to come back
48:36
Speaker 16: with jokes that make you look like idiots, and that's
48:38
Speaker 16: what Israel's done in this case.
48:40
Speaker 4: Again, great work.
48:41
Speaker 3: I think we've got some pictures here of Anthony Albanese
48:44
Speaker 3: hugging Emmanuel Macron, the brothers in crime.
48:47
Speaker 4: What did you think of Albo's week? Yeah, great timing.
48:51
Speaker 16: I mean, just as Pauline Hanson and One Nation are
48:53
Speaker 16: soaring because of their Australia First message and being against globalisation,
48:58
Speaker 16: Albo becomes the biggest globaliser of them all.
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Speaker 4: Look at him.
49:01
Speaker 16: Even Macron's wife isn't that friendly to him. And as
49:05
Speaker 16: we know from Slapgate.
49:08
Speaker 4: Slapgate.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
49:10
Speaker 4: It's the first bit of.
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Speaker 3: Affection that Macron's had in a long while.
49:15
Speaker 16: Yeah, Macron's loving it. You know, too bad it's just Albo, but,
49:19
Speaker 16: you know, in certain situations you take what you can get.
49:21
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and it's good for Albo to be a peacemaker.
49:24
Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, Tim. Appreciate it.
49:26
Speaker 3: Yes, mate.
49:27
Speaker 4: Tim Lee, read his stuff.
49:28
Speaker 3: In the Daily Telegraph and the other news papers around
49:31
Speaker 3: the country. Let's have a look at what you had
49:33
Speaker 3: to say about my comments on Albo and the UN
49:36
Speaker 3: last night.
49:37
Speaker 4: And Vlad says... Dennis says.
49:53
Speaker 3: He couldn't care less about Australian working families struggling to
49:57
Speaker 3: make ends meet under his incompetent.
49:59
Speaker 4: Far-left socialist political policies. A shocker.
50:03
Speaker 3: And Greg says, don't forget the 15 rate rises after
50:06
Speaker 3: ripping Scott Morrison for one. I'm Australian and I'm embarrassed.
50:11
Speaker 3: And another viewer says, Airbus Albanese strikes again. He doesn't
50:14
Speaker 3: cover the fuel bill on his many trips. I wonder
50:17
Speaker 3: what it costs to fill the tank on these trips.
50:19
Speaker 3: More than $ 200, I'd say. Thanks for watching and thanks
50:23
Speaker 3: for your feedback. I won't be here next week. I'm
50:25
Speaker 3: taking a week off, so enjoy the week without me.
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Speaker 4: I'll be back after that. Here's Peter Credlin.