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Football at Four: Further Discussion on Issues From Eagles Loss to Rams · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher from the Inside the Birds podcast, and of
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  Speaker 1: course Philly Voice is with us as he joins us
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  Speaker 1: now on the Sports Pass Live on 97.3 ESPN. Let's
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  Speaker 1: get the takeaways. As Jeff writes over at Philly Voice,
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles blew it on fourth and goal, but not
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  Speaker 1: because they went for it. We've been talking a lot
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  Speaker 1: about that play and everything else, Jeff. I want to
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  Speaker 1: get your takeaways. Do you think that that decision ultimately
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  Speaker 1: cost the Eagles the game? No, not at all.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that it was validated by the fact
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  Speaker 2: that the Rams went and scored 14 points, right? So
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  Speaker 2: what's the difference? Lose by one or lose by four?
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  Speaker 2: I thought if you get that, you absolutely win the game.
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  Speaker 2: You put it away. If you don't get it, you
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  Speaker 2: have to make the Rams go 98 yards instead of
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  Speaker 2: kicking a field goal and then making the Rams go, what,
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  Speaker 2: 65 yards. And the Rams did go 98 yards. And
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  Speaker 2: then they did it again.
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  Speaker 1: Well, not 98.
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  Speaker 2: They went down the field again on the next drive.
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  Speaker 2: I've listened to some people who... The only argument that
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  Speaker 2: I've heard that I can somewhat try to rationalize on
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  Speaker 2: their side is that some people might think that the
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  Speaker 2: Rams would attack offensively differently if they were down by
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  Speaker 2: 13 instead. Because what was it, 20-10? Yeah, you kick
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  Speaker 2: the field goal, you're up 23-10 instead of 10. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know why that three points. That's what I said.
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand it, but that's what.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Jeff, I mean, I agree with you because they
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  Speaker 1: went down the field like a hot knife through butter.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how much slower could they have gone? Like,
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  Speaker 1: what differently? They went down and scored as fast as
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  Speaker 1: humanly possible. There was no pushback. They went right down
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  Speaker 1: the field and scored. And, you know, this is where
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  Speaker 1: I talk about I agree with you. I don't mind.
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  Speaker 1: I like to go for the points there because I'm shorthanded.
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  Speaker 1: But then on the flip side, you can say, because
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  Speaker 1: I'm shorthanded, I need to go up three scores. Right.
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  Speaker 2: You're only two yards away. And, you know, you can't
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  Speaker 2: anticipate that you're– Your left guard is going to run
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  Speaker 2: into your quarterback on the third down play. That probably
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  Speaker 2: would have been a touchdown because they were moving the ball.
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  Speaker 2: That's another thing, Mike. They didn't get to the two
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  Speaker 2: because of an interception return that got them there, right?
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  Speaker 2: They actually were showing signs of moving the ball against
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  Speaker 2: the Rams.
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  Speaker 1: That drive, Jeff. They ran the ball right down the
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  Speaker 1: Rams' throat. They went right down the field and ran
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  Speaker 1: the ball with a ton of success. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean... I'm a big person on I judge process,
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  Speaker 2: not results, because coaches always taught me that. Players always
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  Speaker 2: teach you that. And the process to me was very sound.
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  Speaker 2: The results were not. It happens.
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  Speaker 1: I would look at, and again, I harped on this
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  Speaker 1: in the playoff game and even in the Washington game
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  Speaker 1: that they end up winning, the defense has a lead
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  Speaker 1: at home in the fourth quarter of two scorers and
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  Speaker 1: they can't finish the game out. I look at that
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  Speaker 1: as a concern as, hey, my offense doesn't get it
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  Speaker 1: on the two-yard line, but I'm giving you the chance
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  Speaker 1: to make them go 98 yards, and you couldn't get
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  Speaker 1: the job done. To me, that's where the game is lost.
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  Speaker 2: For sure. And, like, we can sit here and beat
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  Speaker 2: up the defense, but, like, you know, no Grenard, no
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  Speaker 2: Quinion Mitchell, no Zach Vaughn. It wasn't really the Eagles defense.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not trying to make excuses. Woolen got
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  Speaker 2: beat a couple of times. The Rams have been able
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  Speaker 2: to beat him throughout his career. They got fortunate earlier
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  Speaker 2: in the game that Stafford just overshot a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of what would have been an immediate touchdown right on
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan Jones as soon as Mitchell got hurt. The whole
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  Speaker 2: second half, I felt like the dam was going to break.
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  Speaker 2: for the Rams offense against the Eagles defense because the
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  Speaker 2: defense was lacking some really essential guys, right? And it did.
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  Speaker 2: It broke at the worst time, and it happened, and
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  Speaker 2: everybody's got to own it. I agree with that. Like
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  Speaker 2: when Nick Sirianni says that, it didn't have to happen,
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  Speaker 2: but the Rams are really good, too. It's not like
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  Speaker 2: they did this against, you know, the worst offense in
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  Speaker 2: the league or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. You know, the defense has been frustrating
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  Speaker 1: because you're right. They do have talent, and then, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Grenard goes out. I thought Grenard– cause that first interception
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  Speaker 1: this is where we talk about you don't have to
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  Speaker 1: get a sack but if you get pressure that causes
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  Speaker 1: a errant throw I thought Stafford put too much air
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  Speaker 1: under that ball because Grenard leveled that running back almost
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  Speaker 1: right into him and it causes him to make a
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  Speaker 1: bad throw you get an interception and then he goes
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  Speaker 1: out and then of course Mitchell goes out and then
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  Speaker 1: they're picking on Jonathan Jones all game you know Trotter
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  Speaker 1: I think is at least around the ball and makes tackles,
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  Speaker 1: and he doesn't kill you out there, but he's not
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  Speaker 1: Zach Vaughn, for God's sakes. So that is frustrating. And conversely,
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  Speaker 1: you're down three guys on the offensive side of the ball,
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  Speaker 1: and you're wondering where do they go in these situations.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if Saquon's there, if Goddard's there, and
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  Speaker 1: if Smith's there, if the line plays the way they
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  Speaker 1: did on Sunday, though.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a great point. We just finished up. taping
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  Speaker 2: with Greg Cosell, our show inside the tape that we
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  Speaker 2: do every week. We do offense and defense where he
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  Speaker 2: breaks down the tape. And I admit it to Greg,
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  Speaker 2: you know, being at the game in real time and
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  Speaker 2: watching it and seeing how the Rams try to funnel
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  Speaker 2: a lot of their overloaded blitzes toward Markel Bell's side
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  Speaker 2: and Shipley struggled in past protection at times. I really
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  Speaker 2: came out when the game was over. I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 2: they really exposed the fact that Bell was starting in
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  Speaker 2: place of Johnson. But then when you go through it
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  Speaker 2: and I create the clips of the show and I
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  Speaker 2: watch the tape and I think to myself, nope, It
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  Speaker 2: wasn't Markel Bell that was the problem. It was the
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  Speaker 2: left guard, Cam Juergens.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this guy on Twitter.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what he does, but this guy, I
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  Speaker 1: can't think of his name right now. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what he does, but he has 16 plays of Juergens
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  Speaker 1: just getting his ass kicked.
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  Speaker 2: 16 plays! Just from yesterday or since he took over
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  Speaker 2: left guard?
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  Speaker 1: Just in the game yesterday. What the hell is the
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  Speaker 1: guy's name? Thomas Peterson. Thomas J. Peterson is the guy's name.
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  Speaker 1: He does a really good job on, okay, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what he does for his job or what he does,
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  Speaker 1: but he has 16 plays cut up of Juergens.
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  Speaker 2: I can tell you I didn't find 16, but if
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  Speaker 2: it's six, it's still too many.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, he is 16, and then today, Sirianni says, I'm
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  Speaker 1: pleased with where Cam is. He's doing good things. What?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I get it. He's not going to throw
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  Speaker 1: the guy under the bus there. But the point being,
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  Speaker 1: they have to seriously consider finding another option there, right?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, yeah, you would think, but what's the
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  Speaker 2: other option? Is it Willie Lampkin? I mean, they don't
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  Speaker 2: have a ton of great options to just stick in
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  Speaker 2: there and say, this guy will do a way better job.
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  Speaker 1: And then, frankly.
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  Speaker 2: Then you open up the discussion, was Juergens playing well
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  Speaker 2: even when he was at center?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: He was not.
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  Speaker 1: No, and the one guy I think that's playing pretty
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  Speaker 1: consistently well is Kendall.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll still have an occasional interior pressure, and obviously
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  Speaker 2: when you're facing the Rams and they blitz so much, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: that they just took advantage of a unit right now
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  Speaker 2: up front for the Eagles that's very disjointed and discombobulated.
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  Speaker 2: So there's going to be warts from everybody, right? But
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  Speaker 2: in general, I think when they, yes, I think general
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  Speaker 2: Kendall has played well. They're still not running the ball well.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that's on any one person. I think
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  Speaker 2: that they are falling into a trap of, hey, when
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  Speaker 2: you're under center, they're running. When you're not, you're in shotgun,
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  Speaker 2: you're passing. They're a little on the predictable side, if
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  Speaker 2: I'm being kind, maybe. And so this whole run game,
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  Speaker 2: you got to have your run game so that you
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  Speaker 2: can be in better down and distance for passing so
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  Speaker 2: teams aren't just completely teeing off against you. So I
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  Speaker 2: understand what Nick says when it's not just Cam Juergens,
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  Speaker 2: but he is part of the reason that you're getting
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  Speaker 2: behind the sticks and getting into those bad down and distances.
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  Speaker 1: I can't– listen, I can't disagree with you there. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he is getting absolutely destroyed. He's whiffing on guys. And
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  Speaker 1: a lot of it looks like, Jeff– It is him
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  Speaker 1: just having a lack of understanding of who I'm supposed
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  Speaker 1: to block because he just doesn't play the position. So
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  Speaker 1: he's going one way, but then he's like, crap, I'm
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  Speaker 1: supposed to block this guy, and that guy's running free.
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  Speaker 1: Or I was supposed to block this guy and get
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  Speaker 1: a hand on him, but I went the wrong way.
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  Speaker 1: It just looks like a guy who's thinking too much
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  Speaker 1: and doesn't know where he's supposed to be.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're half right to me in that. There were
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  Speaker 2: certainly some plays, and even the way you just described one,
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about a stunt where he– is basically double
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  Speaker 2: teaming with Kendall on somebody and then let the stunter
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  Speaker 2: go right throughout the middle. Like he'd never even turned to, to,
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  Speaker 2: to block him. he should know. I mean, when you're
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  Speaker 2: a center, you should know all of the protections for
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  Speaker 2: interior pass rushes and stunts and twists, because that's like
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  Speaker 2: the crux of your job. It doesn't change when you
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  Speaker 2: move to left guard. Like you don't, you're yes, you're
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  Speaker 2: playing a different position, but your understanding of what the
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  Speaker 2: offense is trying to do to you. I'm sorry. Defense
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  Speaker 2: trying to do to you shouldn't change. And that's what
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  Speaker 2: was shocking to me is that he almost looked like
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  Speaker 2: a guy who didn't have center experience or knowledge of,
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  Speaker 2: how to defend a basic stunt.
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  Speaker 1: With that, 0 for 12 on third down. They had
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  Speaker 1: a lot of problems in the second half. Their second
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  Speaker 1: half offense was atrocious. They averaged 3.4 yards per pass attempt.
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  Speaker 1: He was 2 of 9 for 10 yards in the
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  Speaker 1: second half, Jalen Hurts. Three yards per play, fewest in
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  Speaker 1: any game under Nick Sirianni. 0 for 12 on third down.
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  Speaker 1: Do we look at Jalen Hurts and say, not good enough, man,
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  Speaker 1: or is this, hey, man, he just didn't have anything
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  Speaker 1: out there for him? Which way do we– because there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of guys who are on the, hey, this
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  Speaker 1: is Hurts, it's his fault. And there's the other side
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  Speaker 1: who are looking at it and saying, there wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: lot of plays to be made. So what's the right
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  Speaker 1: answer here, Jeff Mosher?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm far more toward the he was not
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  Speaker 2: in a good enough offensive environment to succeed category then
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  Speaker 2: it's his fault they didn't succeed. I found two plays
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  Speaker 2: that I thought he could have done a better job on. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: one of them was the fourth and goal at the two.
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  Speaker 2: Three-step drop, speed out to Wicks, and he just doesn't
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  Speaker 2: throw it. And you saw him kind of like get
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  Speaker 2: stuck in the pocket and then try to shuffle the
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  Speaker 2: ball out to Darius Cooper. Like three-step drop. You got
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  Speaker 2: to plant and throw. He's looking at Wicks and he doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: The coverage is tight by McDuffie, but if you throw
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  Speaker 2: it with anticipation, you either hit him for the touchdown
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  Speaker 2: or at least you give nobody else a chance to
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  Speaker 2: make a play on the ball. But that, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: two plays out of an entire game that I can
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  Speaker 2: say I didn't think Hurts did a great job on,
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  Speaker 2: that to me is a signal that it was way
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  Speaker 2: more than Jalen Hurts.
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  Speaker 1: Being the issue. Yeah, Moche, we've got people texting and
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  Speaker 1: tweeting in, Jalen Hurts isn't a good quarterback. The guy
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  Speaker 1: consistently needs a number one offensive line, a number one
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  Speaker 1: wide receiver, a number one running back, and a number
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  Speaker 1: one defense to be any good. When he has middle-of-the-road
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  Speaker 1: supporting cast, he becomes a middle-of-the-road quarterback. Mahomes, Allen, et cetera,
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  Speaker 1: they overcome those things. Is that a fair assessment from Mengel08?
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  Speaker 2: I would ask Mengel how he thought Patrick Mahomes looked
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  Speaker 2: last year before the knee injury when he had a
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  Speaker 2: banged-up offensive line, no running game, and no receivers. It
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  Speaker 2: didn't look pretty for the Chiefs passing offense last year, right?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not– this is not to play apples to
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  Speaker 2: apples with Hurts and Mahomes, but, I mean, I think
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  Speaker 2: if you took a lot of quarterbacks and their best– and,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, losing your right tackle an hour or
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  Speaker 2: two before the game, a future Hall of Fame one,
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  Speaker 2: is a little bit different than having an entire week
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  Speaker 2: to prepare. So I think that's just a little, it's
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  Speaker 2: very unfair on Jalen.
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  Speaker 1: Here's another post. The passing offense is the bottom of
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  Speaker 1: the league for three straight years. It's without question the
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  Speaker 1: quarterback who's responsible. He's not the 2022 guy anymore. He's
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  Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and Cam Newton when they couldn't run. How
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  Speaker 1: much do we look at the passing offense? Because that
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  Speaker 1: guy is right. I watched a lot of games around
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  Speaker 1: the league. I'm not talking about Miami. I'm talking about Tennessee.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about the worst teams in the league. They
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  Speaker 1: actually have some fluidity in their offense. They can move
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  Speaker 1: the ball between the 20s. They just can't score is
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  Speaker 1: their problem. Inside the red zone, they stink. The Eagles
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  Speaker 1: never have fluidity. They never have a guy open. They
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  Speaker 1: never seem to have a guy just wide open who
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  Speaker 1: catches the ball and then gets yards after the catch
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  Speaker 1: it's always so no.
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  Speaker 2: See i i see that's see this this guy is
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  Speaker 2: bringing up an unfair conversation because if he wants to
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  Speaker 2: say that about the last two years and talk about
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  Speaker 2: hertz's accountability for it i i will say yes that
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  Speaker 2: he does bear a big part of that and we've
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  Speaker 2: you know gone through the tape and show but i
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  Speaker 2: thought for the first two weeks of this season at
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  Speaker 2: least before all the injuries really started to come in.
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  Speaker 2: He was leading. I mean, remember the two Dontavia and
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  Speaker 2: Wicks catches in week ones?
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  Speaker 1: Those were.
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  Speaker 2: Excellent throws by Jalen Hurts that gave a receiver a
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  Speaker 2: chance to make yards after the catch. And against Tennessee,
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  Speaker 2: the last drive where he's hitting Devontae Smith left, Devontae
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  Speaker 2: Smith right, Devontae Smith here and there. I mean, those
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  Speaker 2: were really nice layered throws. Of course, Devontae Smith is
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  Speaker 2: toe-tapping on a few of them and doing well as well.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's all Jalen, but I thought you
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  Speaker 2: were seeing some significant progress from Jalen Hurts for the
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  Speaker 2: first two weeks.
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  Speaker 1: And then.
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  Speaker 2: came the Chicago game, and then came the second half,
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  Speaker 2: the blown-up screens. They had some adversity. Oh, well, you
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  Speaker 2: had the injury to Dickerson, right, that has thrown their
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  Speaker 2: offensive line in flux. So let's see how this thing
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  Speaker 2: goes for the next few weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Does this look like a different offense to you, or
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  Speaker 1: does it resemble? No.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry to cut you off, but I'll tell you what
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  Speaker 2: it looks like. I made this joke to somebody yesterday
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  Speaker 2: when I was leaving the stadium. This is the old
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  Speaker 2: offense and new offenses close, right? Yeah, you're going under center.
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  Speaker 2: Big deal. And running wide zone.
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  Speaker 1: Great.
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  Speaker 2: If you go under center and run wide zone every
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  Speaker 2: time you're under center, then you're being too predictable. And
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  Speaker 2: then what happens when you don't? Then you're in shotgun
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  Speaker 2: and you're running your shotgun based plays. So, yeah, you're
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  Speaker 2: seeing condensed formations. Yeah, you're seeing wide zone. Yeah, you're
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  Speaker 2: seeing this and that. Where's the under center play action?
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  Speaker 2: You know, like, where is the element of this offense?
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  Speaker 2: I feel like they're trying to build their foundation first
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  Speaker 2: because the foundation is getting that run game going. But
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  Speaker 2: how do you build it when you have cracks in
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  Speaker 2: your foundation of your run game?
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  Speaker 1: You can't block. I think the blocking is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and we have a poll question up at Mike Gill's show.
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  Speaker 1: People can vote over there. You know, the Seagulls offense
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  Speaker 1: stinks because... And you can see some of the results
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  Speaker 1: right now. Jalen Hurts, offensive line isn't good. Sean Mannion,
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  Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni. I am kind of happy to say that
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  Speaker 1: the offensive line is a runaway winner right now at 55%.
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  Speaker 1: Hurts is at 18%. Sirianni is at 21%. My question
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  Speaker 1: with Sirianni, the offensive sticks because Sirianni is, he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: even call the plays. He really has nothing to do
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  Speaker 1: with the offense. But I feel like people just... Put
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  Speaker 1: him in there. Just put him in there, right?
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  Speaker 2: All right. I think you can just look at it
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  Speaker 2: from a big-picture standpoint. This is the life that Nick
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  Speaker 2: Ceriani chose when he hired Sean Mannion, who then hired
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  Speaker 2: Chris Cooper, and it led to Jeff Stoutland not being
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  Speaker 2: on the team. And that's fine. Everybody would love that
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  Speaker 2: concept going into the year because it was all about
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  Speaker 2: this brand-new, fresh offense, and sometimes change is needed. But
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  Speaker 2: you're going through growing pains because– I mean, you had
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  Speaker 2: a lot of breakdowns and protection on your offensive line
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  Speaker 2: in that game. And you can say that didn't happen
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  Speaker 2: very often under Stoutland. And it's not fair to say, well,
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Chris Cooper sucks. It's his first go with the Eagles.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: It's his first go around. He's trying to replace a legend.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: But this is the life they chose.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: Like they didn't hire an offensive coordinator who had years
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: and years of experience. who could bring in an offensive
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: line coach and a run game designer who had years
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: and years of experience. And Nick Sirianni has not hired
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: a senior offensive assistant who I think can be very,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: very valuable. Adam Kaplan has made this point a thousand times.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: They're trying to go through these growing pains without a
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: long-time veteran head coach to say, hey, guys, you may
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: want to try this or that.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: So you can blame Sirianni for that. That's on him.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Manion is a first-time play caller. The past game coordinator
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: did call plays in Tampa last year, correct? He did.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't quite call him a veteran because he did
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: it for like a year or two. When they were
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: talking about maybe bringing in Greg Olson, that made me,
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that would be.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: A slam dunk. Not the broadcaster.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, not the offensive coordinator who's been with all
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: the great West Coast coaches in a 30-year career. I
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: thought it would have been a slam dunk.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: What do you, what do you, Mannion's in the booth.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Does that mean anything to you? Like you say, hey,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: maybe if he's on the field, there's a better communication.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Is anything there?
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: No, I've never, I've tried to like not study it
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: as far as like data, but just go through who
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: coaches in the booth and who to coach and see
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: if there's some sort of like, oh, it's far, it's
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: so obvious that people who coach from the sideline are
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: more successful or vice versa. And I can't find it.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: I can't. I don't have a strong conviction there.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: I don't have a strong conviction there. But it's almost like,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: wouldn't you want the quarterback to be able to talk face-to-face?
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: I know, but face-to-face. Not on the phone. Not on, like,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: an iPad. Just, hey, man, let's talk here. Let's figure
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: this out on the goal line.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: But then you trade off. I always think there's a
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: way better– ability to see everything going on from an
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: all 22 aerial viewpoint. Then when you're right there on
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: the side, you're right. All these people in your way,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: you got your, your focus can get distracted. If someone's
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: coming up, if you are talking to someone when you're
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: trying to figure out the next play to play calls.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: So I think it's easily to be emotionally divested when
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: you're in that kind of closed booth and right there
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: on the sideline. And sometimes I want play callers in
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: the heat of the moment to not feel that, that
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: crunch and be, I want them to be emotionally divested.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: All right, real quick, and listen, I know we don't
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: have the answers here, but I would imagine Barkley's out Sunday, right?
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, given that they have to take what
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: I've never flown to London, you have, right? How long
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: is that flight?
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: About six hours.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, I thought it was longer than that. Okay, well,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: that's still not great when you've got a hamstring injury, right?
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, making it back from a hamstring is usually
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: more than a week. depending on severity, but the fact
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: that it's a travel game to London probably complicates it
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: a little bit. They might even leave early, which might
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: complicate it a little bit.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Then you've got Quinion.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: That was a hamstring as well, or a knee?
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I think it was a hyperextended knee, hyperextension knee.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. We've got to get more information.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: On a lot of this. It doesn't look good, though.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: To your point, not with one single one of those injuries,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: other than Dajin who went back in, did it seem
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: like that's a minor thing that they can probably be back?
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Don't forget, Mike, the last two weeks, we have had
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: pop-up injuries in the middle of the week. that I
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: didn't know about on game day. So you've got to
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: be aware of that, too.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Hey, they didn't know until game day, apparently, for Lane Johnson.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: He practiced all week, and apparently Sirianni didn't find out
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: until the day of the game. So they couldn't elevate
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: a tackle on Saturday by 4 o'clock. You had to
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: do that. That's why they didn't have somebody.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what, though. I'll tell you what, though.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: You were just about to say it. Fred Johnson was
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: already out. I thought it was borderline arrogant of them
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: the last two weeks to not elevate an offensive tackle
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: from the practice squad. I mean, if Maialata or– if
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Bell had limped off that field the way everybody was,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: in a rainy, slick condition, who's playing any tackle at
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: that point? Steen?
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I would imagine Steen. Yeah. Yeah.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. That's not a good way to protect your players.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher prediction is Cam Juergens playing left guard on Sunday. Yeah.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Jeez.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Gee, thanks, man. Sorry. Just back on Wednesday for Football
• 20:31
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• 20:40
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• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I saw some of those tweets going across the board there.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Your listeners and your viewers are in rare form today,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you. They're on their game.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: We're having some fun. We are having some fun. All right, man.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: See you.