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This is the Way... with Emily Swallow · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 4: Our nuclear reactor.
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  Speaker 3: Pumping out one million.
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  Speaker 5: Kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 6: Now, you go that way, and I'll go this way.
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  Speaker 2: What's up, and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 7: I'm Nora.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Phillip.
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  Speaker 2: And we're coming to you live via digital recording from
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  Speaker 2: the Oddity Studios. So normally... You two are here for
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  Speaker 2: our horror club episodes. But today I'm waiting to hear
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  Speaker 2: from a very special guest. So until then, I thought
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  Speaker 2: we would hang out and talk about some things that
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  Speaker 2: we've seen, what we've been watching lately. Do you have
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  Speaker 2: anything outside of our normal horror realm? My first? Okay.
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  Speaker 7: Last night I watched Big Fish. Ooh.
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  Speaker 2: I am a fan of it. I have not rewatched
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  Speaker 2: it in a long time, though.
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  Speaker 7: I hadn't either. I saw it when it first came out,
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  Speaker 7: and I told Pierce I needed to watch a non-horror movie,
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  Speaker 7: because I pretty much only watch horror movies.
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  Speaker 2: You've been assigned.
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  Speaker 7: And he said, I've never seen Big Fish, but I
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  Speaker 7: keep hearing about how great it is. His dad passed
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  Speaker 7: away in 2019, before we met. And they had kind
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  Speaker 7: of a complicated relationship, so I said.
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  Speaker 2: Trigger warning. Just be aware.
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  Speaker 7: This movie is going to destroy you. Are you sure?
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  Speaker 7: I asked him like three separate times if he was sure,
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  Speaker 7: and he said yes, he was. And we were both
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  Speaker 7: sobbing by the end of it. It's such a good movie.
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  Speaker 1: It's so sweet.
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  Speaker 4: I have a good relationship with my dad, and I
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  Speaker 4: still get all.
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  Speaker 2: I know, me too.
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  Speaker 7: When I watch it, so.
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  Speaker 2: it's it's a weird again being the director it is
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  Speaker 2: because it's on that weird like up and down thing
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  Speaker 2: of like that was sort of the tail end of
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  Speaker 2: that original run but it doesn't really matter i mean
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  Speaker 2: visually it's still like super striking and stylistic but like
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  Speaker 2: it's all over it's not yeah it definitely seems like
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  Speaker 2: one of his but at the same time it's not
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  Speaker 2: exactly like beetlejuice and batman either like it's definitely him
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  Speaker 2: growing as a director but It's not where he ends
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  Speaker 2: up a few years later when everybody was like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: done with this guy. So it's right at the down,
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  Speaker 2: maybe the jump the shark moment of like before he
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  Speaker 2: hits the point when nobody wants anything to do with him,
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  Speaker 2: Alice in Wonderland. And then now he's sort of come
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  Speaker 2: back up the hill and people are on board with
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  Speaker 2: him again. So yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It's a really good movie to be so different than,
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  Speaker 4: you know, all of his other stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Again, it's just solid storytelling and then works with him.
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  Speaker 4: I say that, but it's by the same guy who
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  Speaker 4: gave us Pee Wee's Big Adventure, which.
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  Speaker 2: Is epic storytelling.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 7: It's true.
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  Speaker 2: I won't even go down that road. Well, I had
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  Speaker 2: someone try to condemn Pee Wee the other day. And
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  Speaker 2: I was about to get on my soapbox and be like, no.
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  Speaker 2: let me tell you what was really going on.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: They just, anytime somebody hears anything, they like go with
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  Speaker 2: the worst variation of, and had terrible things to say
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  Speaker 2: about him. I was like, first of all, none of
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  Speaker 2: that's true, what you're saying. So yeah, I won't go
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  Speaker 2: into the details, but I, I, I don't know. I
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  Speaker 2: will defend Paul. I think he seems like a nice
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  Speaker 2: enough guy. And, Did nothing wrong as far as I'm concerned.
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  Speaker 2: Not out of what every other idiot in that place
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  Speaker 2: was doing.
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  Speaker 4: The two major things that I can think of that
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  Speaker 4: he was accused of doing weren't that bad comparatively speaking
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  Speaker 4: to some other people we've heard about.
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  Speaker 2: What many people say about him though is completely different.
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  Speaker 2: Like everything gets domino effect and spiraled off into these
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  Speaker 2: stories that never happened and that's what people still remember
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  Speaker 2: even though it never happened. So again, that just reminded me.
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  Speaker 2: I almost got into it with somebody the other day.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, now is not the time.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I will fight with you later. Now
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  Speaker 2: is not the time.
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  Speaker 7: You're not worth it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm still, no, I'm still going to fight with them.
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  Speaker 2: But it was just not a good time to get
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  Speaker 2: into that. So I will fight with them later. Do
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  Speaker 2: you have anything? I rewatched, for the.
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  Speaker 4: First time in probably 20 years or more, Fight Club.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: That's one of those that I feel like every time
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  Speaker 2: you revisit it, you kind of reassess and reset your
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  Speaker 2: feelings on it. Because I thought it was really impressive
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  Speaker 2: the first time I saw it, and then I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's still good.
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  Speaker 4: I like it.
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  Speaker 2: But again, I wasn't like, maybe it's not the greatest
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  Speaker 2: thing ever, but it's really got some cool stuff. And
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  Speaker 2: then I feel like every time, I'm like, no way,
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  Speaker 2: this is pretty awesome.
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  Speaker 4: It's a pretty good movie. My only complaint with it
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  Speaker 4: is after you see it the first time, You can't
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  Speaker 4: be surprised by it anymore.
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  Speaker 2: But I feel like it is another one of those
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  Speaker 2: you come back to with different things. Yes. And then
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  Speaker 2: you see entirely different things knowing what's coming. You start
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  Speaker 2: to sort of... Because, I mean... I will give him
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  Speaker 2: credit as a filmmaker. It's not like he just accidentally
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  Speaker 2: threw this together.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, and this is the end. From the get-go, it
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  Speaker 2: is structured, and he's hinting at it throughout the movie,
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  Speaker 2: and the first time through, you just don't know. You
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  Speaker 2: don't pick up on it, but when you go back
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  Speaker 2: and watch it now, you're like, oh, well, there are
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  Speaker 2: many telltale signs of what's coming, and you just don't
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  Speaker 2: realize it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that can be kind of fun to sit
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  Speaker 4: there and think, oh, well, if he thinks this is happening,
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  Speaker 4: but this is what's actually happening. And the people around
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  Speaker 4: him are watching him going crazy on himself. Which, the
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  Speaker 4: more I watch it, the more I'm like, how did
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  Speaker 4: somebody that clearly that crazy to beat himself up repeatedly
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  Speaker 4: in public get that many people to follow him blindly?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, once you get Meatloaf on board, that's all
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  Speaker 2: you need.
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  Speaker 1: You're all set.
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  Speaker 2: I come to him because I've got a tie-in coming up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And Helena Bonham Carter was in that one, too. She's
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  Speaker 7: also in Big Fish.
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  Speaker 2: She's a witch.
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  Speaker 4: Interestingly enough, before she went really crazy.
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  Speaker 2: She was already wrecking homes, though.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. Oh, very much so.
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  Speaker 2: I just told somebody that story the other day. They
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  Speaker 2: were trying to remember her name, first off. And I
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  Speaker 2: was like, well, not so much these days. But for
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  Speaker 2: a while, she was on a run of busting up couples.
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  Speaker 2: That was her thing, I guess. I don't know. She
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  Speaker 2: did like two for two. And then she got old
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  Speaker 2: and retired on her busting up couples thing. Now, suddenly
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  Speaker 2: she just live across from Tim. For a while, they
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  Speaker 2: were in opposite houses, even though they haven't been together
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  Speaker 2: for years. But like they had bought two different houses,
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  Speaker 2: like on next door properties. And it was all one
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  Speaker 2: big estate at one point. And then when they were separated,
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  Speaker 2: she went to one house and he went to another.
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  Speaker 2: That's the story I heard.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: This is all internet information. So who knows how much
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  Speaker 2: is true. But I thought that was interesting because it
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  Speaker 2: seemed like at least it wasn't really hostile. You're not
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  Speaker 2: firing rockets at the house next door. I guess you
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  Speaker 2: guys are on good enough terms. That's cool.
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  Speaker 7: You're like TPing each other's yards.
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  Speaker 4: Have you fired rockets at an ex's house? You can't
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  Speaker 4: prove anything. That's true.
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  Speaker 2: Legally speaking, that never happens. Allegedly. So overall, though, what
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  Speaker 2: was your take on it? Just as, again, without taking
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  Speaker 2: the reveal into account.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting because the first time I watched it
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  Speaker 4: was pre-9-11.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Which is actually what I had issues with it the
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  Speaker 4: first time was where it became a terrorist organization where
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  Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know about this. And then
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  Speaker 4: now we're quite a bit post 9-11. But with everything
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  Speaker 4: going on, you're hearing those arguments of, oh, the banks
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  Speaker 4: are evil and consumerism is evil. And so, yeah, really,
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  Speaker 4: that end of it kind of held up.
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  Speaker 2: It is an interesting observation, just like from where he
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  Speaker 2: starts in his whole little narrative of everything. And you're like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: you start from that one perspective of him kind of
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  Speaker 2: being in the middle of it and wanting to be
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  Speaker 2: this character. And then by the end, when he's destroying
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  Speaker 2: everything that even resembles that type of lifestyle. So, just again,
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  Speaker 2: it's written really interesting. It's from the book, I know.
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  Speaker 2: But still, how it got treated as a movie is
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  Speaker 2: equally as interesting, I feel like.
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  Speaker 4: I think, too, when I saw it, I thought... I
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  Speaker 4: was an angry young man. And so I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: stick it to everybody. And now that I'm a tired
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  Speaker 4: old man, I'm like, who has the time for this?
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  Speaker 2: And that's one of those movies that got categorized like that,
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  Speaker 2: I think, for a long time. There are those movies
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  Speaker 2: that I'm like, okay, I like the movie, but the
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  Speaker 2: fan base of the movie, it's the reason you couldn't
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  Speaker 2: like Boondock Saints for years. Because every asshole guy in
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  Speaker 2: the world thought that was the greatest movie ever. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't even think you get it. And definitely with
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  Speaker 2: Fight Club, I'm like, I don't think you understand the
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  Speaker 2: point of the movie.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Fred Dersh said it was his favorite movie.
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  Speaker 5: Exactly.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he got it.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. You just like guys punching each other in the face.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you're comprehending what they're going.
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  Speaker 7: For, really.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah. That's one of those. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: those movies that the fan base sort of ruins the movie.
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  Speaker 2: But now it's gotten far enough out, I think those
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  Speaker 2: guys all grew up or... kill each other or whatever
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  Speaker 2: they do. And like now it's back to just being
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  Speaker 2: another movie and, you know, Fincher's arsenal. So you can
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  Speaker 2: decide what you think of it on your own now.
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  Speaker 4: There is also a lot of obsolete technology featured in it.
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  Speaker 4: Like the movie hinges on like pay phones and like
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  Speaker 4: real movie projectors. And so I was sitting there thinking,
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  Speaker 4: trying to explain this to a person who's... To a kid. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: To a kid of 20. Who doesn't understand any of this. Yeah. Well, again,
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  Speaker 2: that's that turning point of like.
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  Speaker 4: Right, right, right.
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  Speaker 2: Technology-wise, so much of the stuff was like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: every 10 years or so, you'd get something that would
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  Speaker 2: be a new thing and that would be a big change.
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  Speaker 2: But now it's every 15 minutes. So from like 9,
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  Speaker 2: 11 times on, it's like all we've done is like
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  Speaker 2: every 15 minutes, all of technology changes and a whole
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  Speaker 2: new thing kicks in.
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  Speaker 4: At one point, they're in a video store, which doesn't
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  Speaker 4: even exist anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Rest in peace.
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  Speaker 4: And they're erasing VHS cassettes, which really doesn't exist anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Rest in peace.
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  Speaker 6: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Well, mine, and this has been a long time coming
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  Speaker 2: because I heard about it on this show. If you've
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  Speaker 2: been listening for a hundred years, you would have heard it.
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  Speaker 2: And I guess I can initially refer to it as
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  Speaker 2: the title that I've known it as the entire time.
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  Speaker 2: I had to remind myself repeatedly over the years what
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  Speaker 2: the actual title was instead of just calling it Tiger
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  Speaker 2: in the House. Because it was explained to me by Misty.
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  Speaker 2: So the title was Tiger in the House, according to her.
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  Speaker 4: Which will make more sense. Sounds like Misty.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I was like, if I explain who that
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  Speaker 2: comes from, it all makes sense. So I watched the
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  Speaker 2: movie Burning Bright. And I will go ahead and throw
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  Speaker 2: out a minor spoiler alert. Because I'm going to describe
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  Speaker 2: the premise. And it sort of reveals if there's a
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  Speaker 2: bad guy in this.
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  Speaker 8: Whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever. But to me, I mean, the whole premise is
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  Speaker 2: blown in the trailer, if you've even seen the trailer.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you don't know who. I'll go ahead and ruin who.
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  Speaker 2: So if you don't want to hear, just close your
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  Speaker 2: ears for a few minutes. But it doesn't matter. It's
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  Speaker 2: not really that big a deal. I think it makes
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  Speaker 2: it more interesting knowing it. So basically, the idea is
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  Speaker 2: there's a girl. It's Brianna Evigan, who has done a
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  Speaker 2: lot of other stuff. But she's like a.
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  Speaker 2: Getting ready to go to college, age girl, I think
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  Speaker 2: she's already pushed it off a couple of times, but
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  Speaker 2: is about to go start college, who is living with
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  Speaker 2: her stepfather, and mom has recently died, and or seemingly
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  Speaker 2: OD'd and killed herself, and her younger brother, who is autistic,
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: this may be the most troubling thing, is the kid's
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  Speaker 2: just a regular actor, he's still making stuff now, so
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  Speaker 2: he's not, so it's hard to, like, especially knowing an
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  Speaker 2: autistic child, like, it's like, I don't know, because you
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  Speaker 2: also can't do a specific, you can't do a specific
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  Speaker 2: performance that's correct, and you can't really critique it, because
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  Speaker 2: every kid is different, and every kid processes it different,
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  Speaker 2: and is at different levels, and acts different, so it's like,
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  Speaker 2: it's hard to say he's wrong, but at the same time,
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  Speaker 2: because he's not, it's like, well, does that make this
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  Speaker 2: problematic now? So that part is almost more, like it
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  Speaker 2: might be easier to recommend if that wasn't even part
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  Speaker 2: of it. The most interesting, well, no, I'll get back
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  Speaker 2: to that in a minute. The most, the most accurate
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: part of it comes into play later. But the premise is,
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  Speaker 2: so there's this whole little dynamic and it's super awkward
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  Speaker 2: between them. She's about to go off to school. She
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  Speaker 2: wants to take her younger brother to like a, a
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  Speaker 2: special school that also keeps him there. Like, it's basically
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  Speaker 2: a place to specifically treat kids like this. And, um,
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  Speaker 2: she gets there to drop him off and the money's gone.
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  Speaker 2: The money that had been set aside by her mom
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  Speaker 2: before she died to pay for this kid's school or whatever. And, um,
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  Speaker 2: it's gone because her stepfather has bought a tiger.
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  Speaker 4: Which answers the question I was going to ask of,
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  Speaker 4: is there a tiger.
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  Speaker 7: In the world?
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  Speaker 2: So... bought a tiger illegally. I don't know. They mentioned paperwork.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: But it's sort of the opening scene and I will
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  Speaker 2: say the best thing in the movie and it's an
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: uncredited cameo. Meatloaf. Gets out of the truck and I
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, that's Meatloaf. Awesome. He's not listed on
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  Speaker 2: the credits. He's not even in the end credits. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think like he just shows up and gives this
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  Speaker 2: like amazing little speech about how scary this tiger is.
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  Speaker 2: And he's just like, no, he's not scary. He's evil.
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  Speaker 2: Don't mess with this tiger. want to buy him okay so.
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  Speaker 7: Why would you buy an evil tiger why are.
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  Speaker 2: You selling evil tigers dad is garrett dillahunt who i
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  Speaker 2: do love okay but is in this story he plays
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  Speaker 2: a dimwit pretty well i mean if you've watched him
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  Speaker 2: in his tv series he's he's not the brightest guy
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  Speaker 2: in that and this sort of is around that same
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  Speaker 2: i guess right before it maybe but kind of that
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  Speaker 2: same performance just a little more kind of a jackass
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  Speaker 2: Where he's lovable on his sitcom. But yeah, here he's
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  Speaker 2: just a dimwit that's also kind of a jackass. So
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  Speaker 2: he's going to start a nature preserve kind of a
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  Speaker 2: thing on the house. On the land of the house
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  Speaker 2: that mom left behind for him, I guess. How much
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  Speaker 2: land are we talking?
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  Speaker 4: Like a farm?
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  Speaker 7: Not that much.
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  Speaker 2: Like a suburb? No, I mean, you see the house.
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  Speaker 2: It's a normal, it's a large house, but it's not like...
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  Speaker 2: massive mansion it's just like a pretty good sized house
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  Speaker 2: and I guess a couple acres around it or something
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  Speaker 2: and he's turning it into some sort of wildlife preserve
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  Speaker 2: and he thinks you know people aren't gonna come for
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  Speaker 2: regular old animals you need something big and you need
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  Speaker 2: something scary you need a tiger that you bought off
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  Speaker 2: a meatloaf so all of.
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  Speaker 4: That sounds like prose in my book.
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  Speaker 2: Now we haven't gotten to the point that a hurricanes
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  Speaker 2: are coming didn't see that coming did.
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  Speaker 4: You I didn't see Meatloaf coming if I'm being honest.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. There's a lot of aspects to
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  Speaker 2: this that make you go, alright, I need to watch this.
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  Speaker 1: It's insane.
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  Speaker 2: Hurricane's coming. They're batting them down the hatches so they're
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  Speaker 2: like boarding up the windows and stuff and so it's the,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, the night before the hurricane comes and
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: they go to bed and the girl gets up in
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: the middle of the night and dad, stepdad's gone and
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: They've screwed, closed the windows and the doors and he's
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: let the tiger loose in the house. Wow. So they
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: are now trapped.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: Is this a situation where they're like, there's a tiger
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: in the house, but we don't know where?
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, she sort of walks out and sees
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: a tiger and is like, oh shit. And then like,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: I have to go get my brother. And like, so
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: in the, Thriller versus horror since, this is a thriller
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: because the entire rest of the movie is her trying
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: to not get eaten in the house with a tiger
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: that hasn't eaten. Like, that was one of the things.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: The only way that you can become boss over the
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: tiger is just don't feed him. That'll show him.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: That doesn't make any sense at all.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: He hasn't eaten in like weeks, according to the story,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: which I don't think you can do.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: That seems like he'd be even more likely to eat you.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Exactly. So he's starving in a house with these two
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: dumb kids and they're screwed in and can't escape. That's
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: the entire premise of this. And it's like amazing that
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: they made it more than anything.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: And.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: As you get in, because this is not, again, I
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: talk about how long ago we talked about it. I
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: think it's 2010 it was made. Effects, not really great.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, boy.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: I was about to ask you, real tiger or CG?
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, at some point, there was a real tiger
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: that they took photos of. Is it in the room
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: with Brianna? I don't know that it ever is.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: I'd like to think they pull a Night of the
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: Lepus and they just paint a house cat and put
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: the camera really close to it.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's probably a little of that. That's what's interesting.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: There are a million different versions of how they fake
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: it out badly. Because there's times when I'm like, okay,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I think that's like a bad CG thing that they're doing.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: There I think they're in front of a green screen.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: There I think they're just superimposing image. Like it's just
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: a plethora of variations on how can we shoot this
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: so it looks like she's about to get eaten by
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: a tiger, but she's not really going to get eaten
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: by a tiger. Here's a picture of a tiger who's
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: clearly at the zoo. Yeah. He's wearing a little party hat.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: It's cut out of a wire.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: I want that to be there.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: It's kind of amazing.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: At a certain point, they just take a box of
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: Frosted Flakes across the street. See, there's a tiger.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: It's great. That's my review of the movie.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: It's great.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: Was it an enjoyable watch?
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was because of how ridiculous it was.
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: It's like Life of Pi, but in a house.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: But in a house instead of a boat.
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: At least you have more rooms.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: The thing that I was going to say is probably
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: the most realistic, clinically speaking, is at one point, like
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: the whole time, and this is, I guess, again, if
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: you deal with a child like this, this is the
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: most frightening part because a normal kid, you'd be like, Tiger,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: go hide. This kid doesn't care. so like at one
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: point they're hiding there's many a time when she's like
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: come on over here and he just wanders off oh
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: boy that's kind of realistic too but my favorite is
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: at one point she's hiding the tiger's right over there
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: the kid walks in the other room turns on the
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: tv and sits down and starts watching And I'm like, no,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: that's pretty accurate, man.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: In all fairness, if you told me there was a
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: tiger loose in your house right now, my response would be,
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: I get to meet a tiger.
• 20:19
  Speaker 7: Is he nice?
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't even care about that. Yeah. Part of me
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: wants to meet an evil tiger. If you like fake tigers.
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: And I do.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Tense situations. This is the movie for you.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: Apparently I do, based on the story I told you
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: guys earlier.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: This does sound like a Misty movie.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: That's why, like, forever I've been like, I still need
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: to watch that, because I remember her describing it kind
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: of like I just did. And yeah, I was just like, huh,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: I got to look for that movie, Tiger in the House.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to be honest with you.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: I'm much more likely to pick up a movie called
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Tiger in the House than Burning Brightly.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, her name's way more accurate. Yeah. Granted, Burning
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Bright is from the poem and Tiger, Tiger, blah.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Blah, whatever.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: I don't have time to be smart. Exactly.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: That's why I was like, I don't think the group
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: of people who know that reference are the ones that
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: are going to want to watch Tiger in the House.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: i'm just saying i don't know i'm.
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: I think i'm proof of the crossover.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Well you're the you're the little bit of that venn
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: diagram i'm just saying the majority that's over here are
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: like i want to see tiger in the house that
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: sounds like a good movie and then you know so
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: you're you're just a sliver right next to that i
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: went to college.
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: Bragging i took a romantic poetry class thank you I.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Took one of those, too, and I may have not
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: slept through every single class. I don't remember.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: At any point in there, did they mention a hurricane
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: a-coming and buying a tiger from Meatloaf? Because I feel
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: like that would make you stay awake in that class.
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah, sadly, no.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: You know, come to think of it, I don't think
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Meatloaf was ever brought up in any of my college courses.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, there should be an entire.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: That's another reason why I want a refund.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: The writing of Jim Steinman needs to be its own.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I agree with you there. Yeah. I mean, you do
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: not mistake a song that is written. I will hear
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: them on there. It was years later before I started
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: realizing he wrote for other people too.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: And I'd be listening to this and be like, man,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: this kind of sounds like, wait a minute. I'm like,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: dude wrote for Celine Dion too?
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: That's insane.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Bonnie Tyler and Meatloaf, you crazy bastard. So yeah, Jim Steinman.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: What a weird guy.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Genius. In his own right.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: In his own very particular right.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: In his own very teen angsty, very wordy, overly dramatic,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: sound effects included. He is a very specific writer.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Jim Steinman.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Duh. Wait.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I'm getting a text.
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: Oh, man.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Well. I have to go. It's the armorer. And she
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: wants to have a theological discussion about the religious overtones
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: of the Mandalorian. So I'm going to go do that.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: But you guys stay here. And then we'll finish up
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: the episode when I get back. So I'm out of here.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: But the dog's in charge. So whatever happens, do whatever
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: she says. And otherwise, yeah, I'm going to go talk
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: to actress Emily Swallow. I usually kind of start at
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: the beginning and get an idea of like where everybody
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: sort of comes from and how they end up on
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: their path. Um, So I guess originally, where did you
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: grow up?
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: Well, there's two answers to that question, because I was
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: born in Washington, D.C. My dad was in the Army
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: and worked at the Pentagon, so I lived in Northern
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: Virginia in Sterling.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: That's a lot to deal with already, yeah.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: For him, not so much for me.
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: We lived there until I was seven, and then we
• 24:22
  Speaker 8: moved down to Jacksonville, Florida, so that's mostly where I
• 24:25
  Speaker 8: grew up.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: That's a very different change there.
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: It is, yeah.
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: I mean, they're both pretty Southern.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: Because North Florida is more like South Georgia. It's definitely
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: the South.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Florida's its own little world.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: As we keep seeing news stories and I'm like, only
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: in Florida.
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: It's fascinating.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: So were you at that point immediately kind of drawn
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: to artistic stuff or was it, you know, I always
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: try to figure out if you know from the get-go
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: that's where you're headed or if it's just kind of
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: finding your way?
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: I did not know that was where I was headed professionally.
• 25:01
  Speaker 8: Everyone who knew me growing up knew that I loved performing.
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: I loved singing. Both of my parents were wonderful musicians.
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: And I remember being an angel in the church choir
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: and then a caterpillar. I was a pretty amazing caterpillar
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: that turned into a butterfly.
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: In the school play in fifth grade.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Metamorphosis. Yeah. That's a performance.
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: My mom made me this incredible costume.
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: And my cousins and my friends and I, we would
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: always make these videos.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: Of course, I'm VHS back then.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I did some of that myself.
• 25:39
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah. And I was not necessarily upset when some
• 25:43
  Speaker 8: of those videos got worn out and we could no
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: longer view them.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Accidentally don't work now. Yeah.
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: My one attempt, I guess, at making a go of
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: it when I was younger was I... sent in a
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: video audition to Star Search. I don't know if you
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: remember Star Search. I do.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There's a handful of people that actually came from there.
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was not one of them.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Could have reached the heights of Sinbad, you know.
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: I was obsessed with Debbie Gibson.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: That's, you know.
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: Still kind of am.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: No downside there. She's an amazing writer, yeah.
• 26:19
  Speaker 8: And so I sang Electric Youth, but I sang it, like,
• 26:23
  Speaker 8: I didn't know how to audition for, I did not have, like,
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: a showbiz family. So I sang along to the recording.
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: My dog was barking outside the door because she wanted
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: to be let into the rec room. And I never
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: received any sort of response for that video.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know why.
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: This sounds top notch.
• 26:44
  Speaker 8: I'm sure it just got lost in the mail. But yeah,
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: I was just interested in so many things. I didn't
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: know that, and also I had nobody in my immediate
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: family circle who was in entertainment. So it just didn't
• 26:59
  Speaker 8: seem like a viable option, but there were so many
• 27:02
  Speaker 8: other things that I loved. And, uh, I honestly thought
• 27:05
  Speaker 8: I was going to go into, um, diplomacy and foreign
• 27:09
  Speaker 8: affairs and I loved travel. I loved how looking at
• 27:13
  Speaker 8: how different systems of government work or don't work together. Um,
• 27:18
  Speaker 8: and so I, I was a middle Eastern studies, foreign
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: affairs major in college and, uh, interned at the state department.
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: but I remember this one moment when I had been
• 27:28
  Speaker 8: interning in, in DC at the state department. And, uh,
• 27:31
  Speaker 8: and I went to see some friends in a summer
• 27:34
  Speaker 8: theater production where I went to college, university of Virginia.
• 27:39
  Speaker 8: And I was sitting there in the audience and I
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: just had this feeling of missing out. And, uh, and
• 27:44
  Speaker 8: I think that started the sort of the emotional shift
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: in me that realized like this really was what I
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: wanted to do instead of the other thing. Um, And
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: I had some wonderful acting teachers in college. I took
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: acting classes and did theater even though I wasn't in
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: the department. And they encouraged me to go for it.
• 28:04
  Speaker 8: So I did and auditioned for a bunch of different
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: graduate programs because I knew I wanted more tools in
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: my tool belt to draw from. And got into NYU
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: and figured that was probably a pretty good school.
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: And so I decided to go there.
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: And I have not looked back since. I mean, there's
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: been plenty of times when I have groaned and cried
• 28:29
  Speaker 8: and thrown temper tantrums because of how unrelentingly.
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: Seemingly punishing the industry can be sometimes because, you know,
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: it's just rejection is part of it.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: It's more than, you know, the majority of what you
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: deal with is probably rejection versus the handful of like,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh.
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: I tell people I audition for maybe a hundred things
• 28:51
  Speaker 8: a year and get, if I'm lucky.
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: Two or three of them.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: That's a lot of rejection.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: It is. It's a lot to deal with.
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: And I'm, you know, I'm making a career of it.
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: It's working out for me. So even with that, it's still,
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: you have to... Have to have a tough skin.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Well, it seems like at the beginning there did a
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: good amount of theater. Was it always kind of a
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: plan that you specifically were more interested in television and film? No,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: I thought I had.
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: I had no reason to attempt that when I started
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: out because I loved theater so much. And then I
• 29:24
  Speaker 8: found out very quickly you can't really make much of
• 29:26
  Speaker 8: a living doing only theater unless you're doing Broadway all
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: the time. And my first TV gig was on Guiding Light,
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: the soap opera.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: And we're losing those these days that.
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: Was very fun i know it's yeah.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: That's such a like training school almost for people it's
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: just non-stop work so like you have to.
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: Learn shoot so much so quickly there's no time to
• 29:53
  Speaker 8: mess up you don't get multiple takes.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: So everybody that came from that is like just trial
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: by fire like they are ready to go do you
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Looking ahead, do you think because we don't have that now, like,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: are kids coming up not really going to– they're going
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: to be thrown directly into the fire?
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: I don't think it matters. I think people learn in
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: different ways.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: I mean, improv is tremendously helpful for that kind of thing.
• 30:17
  Speaker 8: And really just I think the more you do it,
• 30:19
  Speaker 8: the more comfortable you get with it because every single
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: set is different.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: And so you really do– I mean, you learn quickly,
• 30:25
  Speaker 8: I think, whether you're doing a soap opera or something
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: else that you have to have done– the majority of
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: your work before you get there and then you get
• 30:32
  Speaker 8: to play.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we usually go into a lot of film
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: where there are movies growing up that you were like
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: attached to and, and sort of helped push you along.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: And there was like, I definitely want something like this.
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: I always loved, definitely loved fantasy.
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: Um, I loved the never ending story and I loved
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: the princess bride.
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: Um, yeah. And, uh, and Goonies.
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: Um, And I guess looking at some of those, well,
• 31:02
  Speaker 8: especially like Goonies, I love stories that were about unlikely
• 31:07
  Speaker 8: people coming together to accomplish something together. And I absolutely
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: loved the Disney animated movies. My dream was to be
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: a voice in a Disney film, to be, you know,
• 31:21
  Speaker 8: I listened to The Little Mermaid on repeat and now
• 31:25
  Speaker 8: I've gotten to meet Jodi Benson several times and get
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: to know her at conventions. And it's just, I mean,
• 31:30
  Speaker 8: she's as incredible as I thought she was.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: Um, and Aladdin. And although in Aladdin, I really wanted
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: to be the genie because.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Robin Williams, he steals the show.
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 31:41
  Speaker 8: Um, but yeah, I would, I remember like sitting in my,
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: in my closet. I don't know why I went in
• 31:46
  Speaker 8: my closet.
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: I think it was because.
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: Even though I love performing, I was also very shy
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: about it. Um, I had to summon up the courage
• 31:55
  Speaker 8: and I hated, for example, my parents would ask me
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: to play the piano for guests and that kind of
• 32:00
  Speaker 8: like direct intimate performance was always like so nerve wracking
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: to me. So I think I probably hid in my
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: closet so nobody would know I was singing along.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: I can see that.
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: I would sing along to all these soundtracks and, you know,
• 32:12
  Speaker 8: have these dreams about being in one of these Disney movies. So, um,
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: I guess those were the things that captured my attention
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: early on. Um, And now, I mean, a number of
• 32:24
  Speaker 8: people have said that the armorer is her own Disney princess.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, she definitely is.
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: Sort of got that in a roundabout way.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: She's got a lot more to do than most Disney princesses. Yeah.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: So she's got a lot to deal with. I guess
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: before we get to that, I did, I recently watched
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: The Haunting of Mary Celeste.
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: Oh, thank you.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know how that went for you, but I
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: was just going to ask about it as far as
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: the shoot itself. Yeah. Trying to figure out how much
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: you're shooting on the water because they do a good
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: job of hiding it. I'm watching and I'm like, there's
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: a lot of this that I'm like, you can't necessarily
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: see the ocean. Right. But they do a good job
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: of even putting in the sound. So it's like, how
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: much of that did you actually shoot?
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: That boat was always in the water.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: That was, I mean, that was an adventure, that shoot.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: I had a great experience with it and it was
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: incredibly challenging because we were shooting, it was, you know,
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: it was really low budget and we were shooting up
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: in Sausalito, Sausalito just near San Francisco and they had
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: purchased this completely ramshackle we're lucky it didn't sink kind
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: of boat.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: It was not fancy looking even in the movie.
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that was completely authentic.
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: And our incredible crew made themselves fit into every, I mean,
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: our DP would be in these tiny little crevices, corners
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: trying to get a shot. And I really liked working
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: with Shauna Sosin, who was the director, because it was
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: It was also a very challenging film for me emotionally
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: because I'm playing this woman who feels responsible.
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: For her daughter's death.
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: And we were shooting at night a lot, a lot
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: of night shoots. And so I was sleeping during the day.
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: You know, that just turns you upside down.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: And I remember at the time, like, renting a car
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: while I was there was just not an option. It
• 34:18
  Speaker 8: was out of my budget. So I felt sort of
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: stuck at times. But then I did get to explore–
• 34:27
  Speaker 8: the Marin headlands up there, the, the, the nature, beautiful
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: nature that's all around all the mountains and the forests.
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: And, and I would.
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: Go just kind of get lost in the woods, um,
• 34:37
  Speaker 8: on my free time and, and go on these really,
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: really long hikes.
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: And, uh, and I loved that tremendously. Um, but yeah,
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: that movie, we, we actually shot it.
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: I think it's been nine years ago now, and it
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: took a while for it to get released.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: In indie films, it's a lot of fighting to get
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: it done.
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: But I consider it a point of pride that nobody
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: seemed to notice when it was released that I have.
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: Aged several years. I don't know what you're talking about.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I guess that means I'm doing okay.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Well, and then you get into, because you're kind of
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: dealing with a lot of, it's like she seems like
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: she's hiding a lot from the get-go, and then you're
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: also dealing with Supernatural. Do you... get into any of that?
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Did you work that into like prep work as to
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: like how much your character is going to buy into this?
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: And then how much do you believe in any of that? Yeah.
• 35:28
  Speaker 8: I mean that, you know, one of the things I
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: love about acting is, is the, what I get to
• 35:32
  Speaker 8: learn for a character. And for Rachel, so much of it,
• 35:41
  Speaker 8: I could really relate to her outwardly being attracted to
• 35:47
  Speaker 8: the science of it and the seeming logic of, okay,
• 35:50
  Speaker 8: here's how this kind of phenomenally happens. And here's how
• 35:53
  Speaker 8: this could be possible. And yet underneath all of that,
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: you know, I think she had this deep heart need
• 36:01
  Speaker 8: for it to be true because she was trying to
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: connect to her daughter somehow. And I definitely lead with
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: my intellect and trying to figure things out sometimes to
• 36:13
  Speaker 8: a fault. Um, and oftentimes that's in service of, of
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: an emotional thing that that's a little bit deeper.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: So I could relate to that with her.
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: And, and I did, I mean, we, we talked a
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: lot about, you know, the quantum physics and, and I
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: love all that. And in college, I almost minored in astronomy, um,
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: just cause I find it so interesting. And now, I mean,
• 36:33
  Speaker 8: I'm fascinated lately with these, um, this, I don't know
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: if you call them a whistleblower who said that we,
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: the FBI said that we have.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Had contact, or not contact, but we find... We keep
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: having run-ins. They won't say UFOs anymore, but we don't
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: know what these are. They're not planes, but they're not
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: officially aliens, but we saw something.
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah, all of that is fascinating to me because I
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: think that it's, I mean, our perception is so limited
• 37:04
  Speaker 8: and to think that we that we're bound by this
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: time and place, um, I think is, is, you know, we,
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: we might feel that to feel safe and comfortable, but
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: I wouldn't be surprised if it weren't true.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, we're, we're in such a specific perspective and
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: like all it takes is one thing to change all
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: the rules and like, yeah, we're going to be caught
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: off guard probably. Yeah. Well, then I guess we definitely
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: have to get to the armor. So as you're coming
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: into this, I mean, you've worked on a lot of
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: different shows, you've done a lot of different projects. But
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: when you get into something that's that huge a property,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: just the universe that is Star Wars among, you know,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: any of something like that, do you take that into
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: consideration when taking this role? I mean, obviously, it's a
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: great opportunity. But at the same time, in the past,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: sometimes that sort of takes over someone's career and I
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: don't think it's as much anymore. I feel like that's
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: definitely changed even in the last 10 years or so.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: But I don't know. Is that the kind of thing
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: you have to factor in when looking at new jobs?
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: I don't because I mean, I don't feel like I... Well,
• 38:13
  Speaker 8: first of all, I trust that the right projects come
• 38:15
  Speaker 8: along at the right time.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: But I also don't feel like I have the luxury
• 38:19
  Speaker 8: of being... that picky.
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: I mean.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Star Wars, no thank you. Yeah.
• 38:24
  Speaker 8: And it's funny because people very often ask me, how
• 38:27
  Speaker 8: did you decide to do Star Wars? And I tell
• 38:30
  Speaker 8: them what I told you at the beginning of this.
• 38:32
  Speaker 8: I had auditioned for dozens and dozens and dozens of
• 38:35
  Speaker 8: things that year. And this was just another audition. And Yes,
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: it was intriguing to me because it was so vague
• 38:45
  Speaker 8: at the time. There were very few details, so I
• 38:47
  Speaker 8: didn't really know what I was getting into. But I
• 38:49
  Speaker 8: knew it had something to do with Star Wars, and
• 38:50
  Speaker 8: that was intriguing to me. But I really didn't put
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: any more or less weight on it because of that.
• 38:55
  Speaker 8: I approached the audition as I do any other. And
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: my audition process was pretty low stress because they did
• 39:03
  Speaker 8: not act like it was an important role at all.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: That's what I was going to ask. Was it specifically
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: for the armor or just something to do with Star Wars?
• 39:10
  Speaker 8: It was for the armor, but I think maybe at
• 39:12
  Speaker 8: that point they didn't quite know how much they were
• 39:15
  Speaker 8: going to use her. They didn't know, you know, what
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: kind of impact she would have. And so I never
• 39:20
  Speaker 8: auditioned for anyone that was part of the show. I
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: just had one audition with the casting associate and the
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: information I had was very limited. And he sort of
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: gave me a few more morsels that would help me
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: shape the scene. And I remember he asked me to
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: do it. He asked me to do a few takes.
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: I did it normally.
• 39:40
  Speaker 8: And then he asked me to do a few takes
• 39:42
  Speaker 8: with a British dialect because they were mostly seeing British
• 39:45
  Speaker 8: women in their 50s and 60s.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Kind of always Star Wars. There's a lot of British
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: accents in this other universe.
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: So it is a particular point of pride that I,
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: as a good old American, was able to please them
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: enough with my British dialect.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:03
  Speaker 8: And yeah, I started to understand more and more of
• 40:08
  Speaker 8: what it was as we got closer to shooting it.
• 40:11
  Speaker 8: But there was still just, I mean, quite honestly, there
• 40:13
  Speaker 8: was so much, so much energy I was putting into
• 40:17
  Speaker 8: trying to understand who this character was and how she
• 40:19
  Speaker 8: fit into this very top secret script because I had
• 40:21
  Speaker 8: so little information.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: They have to be so secretive.
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:25
  Speaker 8: So I wasn't really thinking about like, oh my gosh,
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: this is Star Wars. I just wanted to do good work.
• 40:31
  Speaker 8: And that was plenty to focus on. And it wasn't until, honestly,
• 40:34
  Speaker 8: until I finished shooting all of my work for that
• 40:37
  Speaker 8: season that they even announced the show. So I had
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: the luxury of not having any of that pressure of
• 40:43
  Speaker 8: people anticipating, you know, what is this going to be?
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: And I'm so grateful for that.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: That first season, I guess you can get it under
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: the radar and kind of complete the whole season and
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: be done with it before anybody even knows what you're
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: in the middle of at that point. Yeah. Well, and
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: then how far into it before you found out you're
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: completely encased in metal or something that appears to be metal?
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: Well, I knew from the start she was going to
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: be masked.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: They said that in the audition.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: And.
• 41:11
  Speaker 8: It was, I mean, honestly, that my first real grasp
• 41:14
  Speaker 8: of the character came with my first costume fitting when
• 41:17
  Speaker 8: I saw the sketches. And I, it was so, I mean,
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: it was just such a bizarre experience because I wasn't
• 41:29
  Speaker 8: getting to really talk to anybody creatively involved with the
• 41:32
  Speaker 8: show at this point. I hadn't spoken with John and
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: Dave yet about, you know, what was going to happen,
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: who this was going to be. I just was told
• 41:39
  Speaker 8: to drive out to legacy effects, which is this, you know, amazing, um,
• 41:44
  Speaker 8: costume builder out in, in the Valley in LA. And, um,
• 41:50
  Speaker 8: and then they take me into this room and they
• 41:52
  Speaker 8: tell me that I need to put on, um, essentially
• 41:55
  Speaker 8: like yoga pants and this tight shirt cause they need
• 41:59
  Speaker 8: to do a body cast. And I was like, body cast,
• 42:01
  Speaker 8: this is weird.
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: Um, And, uh, and so we did all that.
• 42:05
  Speaker 8: They took like a cast of my torso and, and
• 42:08
  Speaker 8: they're talking about all these different things with this costume,
• 42:10
  Speaker 8: which I still hadn't seen.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: But they didn't know that.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Were there even sketches at that point that you saw?
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: There were, but I didn't see them.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Sure there were, yeah.
• 42:17
  Speaker 8: But then at some point in this fitting, they said,
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: they said, you do know what we're talking about, right?
• 42:21
  Speaker 8: And I said, no, I have no idea. So they said, oh,
• 42:23
  Speaker 8: would you like to see it?
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: And I said, yes.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: And I saw this magnificent.
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: Costume that I was going to be wearing and it
• 42:31
  Speaker 8: just blew my mind. Um, And so that finally I
• 42:35
  Speaker 8: started to get a better grasp not only of who
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: the armorer is internally, but also kind of the world
• 42:43
  Speaker 8: that she would be living in and how she portrays
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: all of that externally. And so that was tremendously helpful.
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: And yeah, I just had a number of fittings where
• 42:52
  Speaker 8: I would go back and it was looking more and
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: more awesome. And it definitely informed how I started to
• 43:00
  Speaker 8: think about her.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Well, and how much does it weigh? Just basic question.
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: It is not that heavy.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: It's not.
• 43:06
  Speaker 8: And, you know, I say, well, she's the one who
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: makes all the armor. So she's, you know, she's smart.
• 43:12
  Speaker 8: She's not going to put herself into anything too cumbersome. Because,
• 43:16
  Speaker 8: oh my gosh, I look at Tate, who's wearing Paz
• 43:19
  Speaker 8: Vizla's armor. And I look at our various Mandos and
• 43:23
  Speaker 8: wearing the Mando armor.
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: And it's a lot heavier and a lot hotter. Mine is.
• 43:29
  Speaker 8: You know, I wouldn't say it's comfortable, but it's not uncomfortable.
• 43:33
  Speaker 8: And it can get hot when it's hot on set
• 43:36
  Speaker 8: or when we're shooting out in the direct sunlight. But
• 43:38
  Speaker 8: other than that, you know, I'm not complaining because I
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: look incredible.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: It is awesome.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: No joke.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: But I guess then also you have to, being the
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: actress you are, you have to emote through that. So how...
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, how much extra of a challenge? Because, you know,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: normally you can at least, you know, if you're not using,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: you're still using dialogue, but you can't use facial expressions.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Your gestures are going to have to be pretty big.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: So it's like it's almost back to theatrical again. You've
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: got to go to the back rows to be able
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: to get the message out there with this one.
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: In some ways, yes.
• 44:12
  Speaker 8: My theater training did help because I did mask work
• 44:15
  Speaker 8: on stage. The difference, though, the biggest difference is when
• 44:20
  Speaker 8: you're on stage, you do... you can have bigger gestures
• 44:23
  Speaker 8: because you're trying to get to the back rows. But
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: when you're on camera and there's going to be shots
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: where the camera's right on you, we pretty quickly found
• 44:31
  Speaker 8: that if we moved too much, it was really distracting. And,
• 44:37
  Speaker 8: you know, it is not ultimately a hindrance to me
• 44:40
  Speaker 8: for this character because I came to understand that she
• 44:44
  Speaker 8: is somebody who, first of all, she doesn't need everyone
• 44:48
  Speaker 8: to understand what she's thinking all the time.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Um, I would almost question the office. I'll get that
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: in a minute.
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 44:56
  Speaker 8: Um, and she is somebody who is very patient and
• 45:00
  Speaker 8: I found that stillness was, was helpful for her. You know,
• 45:03
  Speaker 8: I think that she's always observing. Um, and also, um,
• 45:08
  Speaker 8: you know, to the, the point of, of wearing a mask,
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: it can actually be helpful, I think, because I, I
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: feel like, um, you know, when we're trying too much
• 45:21
  Speaker 8: to show what we're feeling, it can be distracting or
• 45:25
  Speaker 8: it can take you out of it. Cause you feel
• 45:26
  Speaker 8: like the actor's working too hard. Um, and so I
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: had to really learn to trust that if I did
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: my homework on the scenes and I knew where she
• 45:38
  Speaker 8: was emotionally and I knew, you know, what kind of
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: influence she was trying to have on the people that
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: she's in the scenes with, um, and I really just
• 45:47
  Speaker 8: trusted that the right amount would be communicated. And it
• 45:52
  Speaker 8: was very, very, uh, man, that was such a gift
• 45:55
  Speaker 8: for me because I am, I tend to be somebody
• 45:57
  Speaker 8: who I, I feel like my tendency can be to
• 46:02
  Speaker 8: push because I want to show, and I'm always being told,
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: you know, trust it, trust it, trust it. And, uh,
• 46:09
  Speaker 8: and with this character, I really do have to. And
• 46:12
  Speaker 8: so then it, it serves her better and it, it,
• 46:14
  Speaker 8: serves me better, honestly.
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: I get a lot out of that.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Definitely.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Well, and then do they let you do a lot
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: of stunts? Because she kicks ass. She does, doesn't she?
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: On many a time, she really gets into it. More
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: than you would expect from somebody who's making the armor.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: She has no problem using the same tools to beat
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: people down.
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 46:34
  Speaker 8: But I love that she saves it for when it's
• 46:37
  Speaker 8: really necessary.
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think it took everyone.
• 46:41
  Speaker 8: Including me, by surprise, to have that incredible fight at
• 46:45
  Speaker 8: the end of season one with the stormtroopers.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 46:48
  Speaker 8: And I do what I can. Season one, I had
• 46:52
  Speaker 8: not really had any fight training proper. I mean, that
• 46:55
  Speaker 8: kind of fight training. I'd done boxing, and I'm a
• 46:58
  Speaker 8: very active person. But I remember we got that script about...
• 47:03
  Speaker 8: or I got that script about two weeks before we
• 47:05
  Speaker 8: were going to shoot it. And I approached Ryan, our
• 47:07
  Speaker 8: stunt coordinator, and I said, I want to do this fight.
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: Put me in coach.
• 47:11
  Speaker 8: And he said, okay, do you have any martial arts training?
• 47:13
  Speaker 8: I said, no, but I'll work really hard. And he
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: was like, oh, that's really cute. Because, you know, when
• 47:18
  Speaker 8: you're doing TV, you don't have the months and months
• 47:20
  Speaker 8: to prepare. So he said, well, it's based in Cali.
• 47:25
  Speaker 8: see what you can pick up in a couple of
• 47:27
  Speaker 8: weeks and, you know, we'll try to use you for
• 47:29
  Speaker 8: some transitions.
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: And I was like, all right, great.
• 47:31
  Speaker 8: And I started studying that and training in that and
• 47:34
  Speaker 8: really enjoy it as I am still doing that. Um,
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: but I didn't actually see the fight until the episode aired.
• 47:40
  Speaker 7: Nice.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: And, um, you got to experience it with everyone else.
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 47:45
  Speaker 8: And I saw it and I said, Oh, that's yeah.
• 47:50
  Speaker 8: You would have seen me working really, really hard, uh,
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: And it would not have looked as magnificent. And that
• 47:55
  Speaker 8: is Lauren Kim, who is an incredible stunt woman and
• 48:00
  Speaker 8: performer and who has been doing this for years. And
• 48:03
  Speaker 8: I actually train with her now so that I can,
• 48:06
  Speaker 8: so as the show has gone on, I've been able
• 48:08
  Speaker 8: to do more and more when they let me, because
• 48:11
  Speaker 8: sometimes they just won't let me because of insurance or,
• 48:14
  Speaker 8: you know, we're shooting like three different episodes at once
• 48:17
  Speaker 8: and they need me over here. And so they're going
• 48:19
  Speaker 8: to use this person over here and, Um, but it, it,
• 48:22
  Speaker 8: it's so enjoyable because I consider any kind of movement
• 48:25
  Speaker 8: as part of the, the character's language, you know, language
• 48:29
  Speaker 8: of expression. And so the more I get to learn
• 48:31
  Speaker 8: about how it is that she picks up those tools
• 48:33
  Speaker 8: and fights, the more I understand her and the more
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: I can influence the decisions that we make and, and
• 48:38
  Speaker 8: how those fights go. So that's, that's tremendously fun for me.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: This has to be a different kind of a shoot
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: just in general though, because aside from being encased in metal, um, You're,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: you're also dealing with like you're shooting on the screen.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: So sometimes you're not even in a physical set. You've got,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: you're planning for effects that are going in later. You've
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: got puppetry going on. Yeah. So I don't know how
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: much is, is that you kind of have to work
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: through to kind of work around all the technical stuff
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: that is being thrown into this versus, you know, you
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: early on, I'm assuming didn't have to plan that much
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: for all these different aspects.
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: It's so technical.
• 49:17
  Speaker 8: And it is definitely challenging sometimes because it can be
• 49:21
  Speaker 8: really tedious. And I don't say that in a disparaging way.
• 49:26
  Speaker 8: It's just part of what has to happen to make
• 49:28
  Speaker 8: it look as good as it does. And we have
• 49:32
  Speaker 8: such incredible people in every department who work so hard
• 49:36
  Speaker 8: and who put in hours that they shouldn't even be
• 49:39
  Speaker 8: putting in. I mean, you know, according to contracts and
• 49:42
  Speaker 8: unions and everything, um, to make it look the way
• 49:46
  Speaker 8: it does. And so I, I learned early on that
• 49:52
  Speaker 8: things would be a lot more enjoyable and I'd get
• 49:54
  Speaker 8: more out of it if I just trust that every
• 49:56
  Speaker 8: single piece of the process can be helpful to my
• 50:00
  Speaker 8: own process instead of feeling like, oh, now I have
• 50:03
  Speaker 8: to wait for this thing and now this is going on.
• 50:05
  Speaker 8: And And so I do try to think like, okay,
• 50:07
  Speaker 8: why is this happening right now? How can I use this? And,
• 50:10
  Speaker 8: and I mean, the, the tremendous silver lining is that
• 50:15
  Speaker 8: we have such charismatic and generous people who are working
• 50:19
  Speaker 8: on it. So even if we have a day where
• 50:21
  Speaker 8: we're only going to be shooting like half a page
• 50:24
  Speaker 8: because it's, there's, you know, Grogu doing all this stuff.
• 50:27
  Speaker 8: And so the puppeteers have to be very involved. And
• 50:30
  Speaker 8: then there's the volume might break down and, You know,
• 50:33
  Speaker 8: all the different, I can't tell you how many times
• 50:36
  Speaker 8: we were like tracking fake things in the sky and
• 50:38
  Speaker 8: we had to make sure we all knew that we
• 50:40
  Speaker 8: were looking in the same place. And everyone is just
• 50:44
  Speaker 8: so game for it. And so the ensemble that, you know,
• 50:48
  Speaker 8: that thing that I have always longed for in performing,
• 50:52
  Speaker 8: and I think one of the reasons I'm inclined to
• 50:55
  Speaker 8: enjoy theater is more is because you get more of
• 50:59
  Speaker 8: that like non-stop just collaborating as an ensemble you're not
• 51:02
  Speaker 8: stopping quite so much for all of the different pieces
• 51:04
  Speaker 8: yeah um but our ensemble on every level is so
• 51:09
  Speaker 8: generous um and so it it makes it way more
• 51:14
  Speaker 8: enjoyable than than i imagine it would be if you
• 51:16
  Speaker 8: had a bunch of people who were you know just
• 51:18
  Speaker 8: stressed out about like getting all the special effects right
• 51:21
  Speaker 8: and everyone kind of sticking to their own department but
• 51:25
  Speaker 8: everyone collaborates.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah When you mentioned Grogu, I mean, how is he
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: to work with? Such a diva. Grogu won't come out
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: of his trailer today.
• 51:33
  Speaker 6: He doesn't do interviews.
• 51:36
  Speaker 8: He doesn't go to conventions. We're all doing all the
• 51:38
  Speaker 8: work for him, but we wouldn't have a show without him.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Well, that is what I was wondering, though, is like
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: reading that on the page, because he became such an
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: important part of it as it went on, especially the
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: success of it, but even just the story itself. Reading that,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: you're like, if this doesn't work, this– it all kind
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: of hinges on, you know, are we going with this character?
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: We have to be invested in this character. And if
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: the technical end of it doesn't click, like, we're all
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: in trouble.
• 52:07
  Speaker 8: Well, and at first they were vacillating between using the
• 52:11
  Speaker 8: puppet and just using CGI.
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: No CG, no CG.
• 52:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can add a little CG, but puppets
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: are the way to go.
• 52:19
  Speaker 8: I mean, I think we've seen that that is the case.
• 52:23
  Speaker 8: And my understanding is that Werner Herzog had a strong
• 52:27
  Speaker 8: influence in encouraging them to stick with the puppet and
• 52:30
  Speaker 8: not do the CGI. But we do, you know, every
• 52:35
  Speaker 8: single scene that we do with Grogu, we have to do,
• 52:37
  Speaker 8: we have to work around all of the incredible puppeteers
• 52:42
  Speaker 8: who are puppeting him. And it's so much fun to
• 52:48
  Speaker 8: watch them work and to see how much skill they
• 52:50
  Speaker 8: have because they There's, at any given moment, there's probably
• 52:54
  Speaker 8: four or five people who are operating him.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: To do one move and one look.
• 52:59
  Speaker 8: And like, especially those little looks, they just orchestrate those
• 53:03
  Speaker 8: so beautifully.
• 53:04
  Speaker 6: And we get, I mean, you forget that he's a
• 53:07
  Speaker 6: stinking puppet.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, even watching it, I'm like, I'm pretty sure
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: I know he's not real, but.
• 53:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 53:12
  Speaker 6: It's so good. It's incredible.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: It's so good. But yeah, I mean, they are artists,
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: like more than people will ever acknowledge. Like they don't
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: get the recognition they should because puppetry is its own levels.
• 53:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing. Well, the only other main one I
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: wanted to get to, I've certainly as an adult, I've
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: grown more distrustful of organized religion over the years. And
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: we sort of get to that, I mean, as you
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: get further in, because we knew very little about Mandalorian culture.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: So the more we get into this, it's very religious stuff.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: at least in overtones.
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: So I don't know, do you, cause a lot of
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: it seems to come from you or your character and,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: and how much of that do you take in? I mean,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: back when we had writers, I know it's all written,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: but I mean, you still have to kind of deal
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: with like how much she's influencing things and how much
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: she's setting these rules. Even when it's like, sometimes you're,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: you're almost puppeting the other characters of like, okay, this
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: is what the law says and you have to do it.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, sometimes it, Again, I know it's fictional,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: but just, I think there's overtones of like- No, I
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: love that question. Things that go on in the real world.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of that.
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: And of course there's overtones.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:23
  Speaker 8: Because, I mean, the stories that we, I think, are
• 54:25
  Speaker 8: most attracted to are the ones that do resonate on
• 54:30
  Speaker 8: that level, that feel like, wait, this is something that
• 54:32
  Speaker 8: I can relate to.
• 54:35
  Speaker 6: And, oh man, I love the.
• 54:37
  Speaker 8: Way that they've explored it, especially with her. And I
• 54:39
  Speaker 8: love the journey that she has taken. And- You know,
• 54:45
  Speaker 8: the way– my personal views are that religion itself is
• 54:51
  Speaker 8: not the problem.
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: It's that we are all human.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: That's my take.
• 54:54
  Speaker 7: I'm fine with the concept.
• 54:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: It's the people running it that I worry more about.
• 54:59
  Speaker 8: And we can get into– I think that there's ultimately
• 55:06
  Speaker 8: laws come out of– I mean, and this is a
• 55:11
  Speaker 8: very general statement because– because there are laws that are not,
• 55:15
  Speaker 8: I would say, you know, I believe there's good and
• 55:19
  Speaker 8: there's evil, and there are laws that I would say
• 55:20
  Speaker 8: are not necessarily good. But ultimately, we hope that they
• 55:24
  Speaker 8: come out of a need to help steer us in
• 55:28
  Speaker 8: a way that enables us to interact as a society
• 55:32
  Speaker 8: more peacefully and more fairly. And so for me, I
• 55:38
  Speaker 8: just look at the heart of what The way is,
• 55:45
  Speaker 8: as I understand it. And I feel like we had
• 55:50
  Speaker 8: this society here within the Mandalorians where perhaps the way
• 55:56
  Speaker 8: that included leaving on your helmet, staying hidden, there was
• 56:00
  Speaker 8: something when that was first starting to be enforced that
• 56:05
  Speaker 8: was good and that nobody abused.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:08
  Speaker 8: And then it feels like as the Mandalorian started to
• 56:11
  Speaker 8: get more fractured and started to lose sort of the
• 56:13
  Speaker 8: inner expression of the way, they started latching on to
• 56:18
  Speaker 8: those kinds of things, these external things, which is what
• 56:20
  Speaker 8: we do. The law, I think, should never be carried out.
• 56:28
  Speaker 8: Or not never, but hopefully your heart is moved to
• 56:34
  Speaker 8: follow the law. And it's not just because you don't
• 56:37
  Speaker 8: want to get in trouble. And it's not just because
• 56:39
  Speaker 8: you don't want, you know, God to get mad at you.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:43
  Speaker 8: I think that that got lost for the Mandalorians. And
• 56:47
  Speaker 8: so then this, you know, it started to feel sort
• 56:49
  Speaker 8: of arbitrary in some ways that the helmet would be
• 56:52
  Speaker 8: on or off.
• 56:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 56:53
  Speaker 8: And I think that she was able to see that with,
• 56:57
  Speaker 8: started to see that with Mando and definitely with Bo-Katan.
• 57:01
  Speaker 8: And could see that this one thing, this external show
• 57:04
  Speaker 8: of having a helmet on or off was dividing more
• 57:08
  Speaker 8: than it was doing good.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:10
  Speaker 8: And that there were things that were being prevented that
• 57:13
  Speaker 8: were good because of that. And so I think that's
• 57:16
  Speaker 8: what opened her to the idea of, okay, maybe we
• 57:21
  Speaker 8: try to see what happens if we have someone like
• 57:24
  Speaker 8: Bo-Katan who has walked both worlds.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:27
  Speaker 8: Maybe everyone could be open to it. And I love
• 57:29
  Speaker 8: that it didn't go either way, that she's saying, if
• 57:35
  Speaker 8: you don't want to wear your helmet, that's okay. I'm
• 57:37
  Speaker 8: going to keep mine on because it still means something
• 57:39
  Speaker 8: to me. It's still like there is something internal that's
• 57:42
  Speaker 8: being expressed with the external.
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: But I love that they found that compromise.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: I was so happy to see that turn because when
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: we came back into season three, it seemed like she
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: was just locking in. I'm like, okay. And Mandalorian was
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: back in, you know, so I was like, okay, now we're,
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: steering away from this. That was kind of my favorite thing,
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: and I don't really hear people talk about that very much.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: As many other things as people want to talk about
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: on the internet, on Star Wars in general. But how
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: much this as a whole, these last three seasons, have
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: been just almost an examination of religion in a whole.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Not just the Mandalorians, but also you see all these
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: downfalls from the Jedi, and it's like they're an entirely
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: different school of thought, and theirs wasn't perfect either. And
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: you're watching, I mean, you even see, I love that
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: decision that Drogo makes. It's just like, you know, no,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: I don't think what you're doing is right. It may
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: have been, you know, history and tradition, but it's not
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: going to work for me. And then that's the same
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: thing we see with her by the end of the
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: third season. And like, make your own decision, do what
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: you need to do. And that's, again, I wish we
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: had more of that in organized religion, but do what
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: you want to do. Don't hire other people.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Unless they start a fight and then you pick
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: up your tools.
• 58:54
  Speaker 8: Well, and I mean, like I said, I think that
• 58:56
  Speaker 8: the fault is not with religion. I think it's with
• 58:59
  Speaker 8: those of us who are trying to interpret it. And
• 59:01
  Speaker 8: I think we need to be more forgiving of each
• 59:05
  Speaker 8: other when we mess up. And yet we're so quick to,
• 59:08
  Speaker 8: you know, we see someone in a position of power.
• 59:09
  Speaker 8: within a religion and if they do something wrong, oh.
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: My gosh, like how dare they? But we're human. Religion
• 59:15
  Speaker 6: doesn't make us perfect.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: It's from both ends too. Then they, people that get
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: in that position of power are then like cut and dry.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: Oh no, this is damnation for you because you've, you know,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: you've not followed the way. And so, yeah, it's. I
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: just love how much they've really kind of looked at
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: that over the last three years. Yeah. Three seasons.
• 59:33
  Speaker 8: I love, and that's definitely deliberate in John's writing. Um,
• 59:37
  Speaker 8: and I, I, I love that. That's one of my
• 59:39
  Speaker 8: favorite things about it as well.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. Well, uh, that's, that's most of what I had.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: Do you have outside of that new stuff coming up
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: you want to tell people about or, or places that
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: you're going that people can find you?
• 59:51
  Speaker 8: Well, since we've been talking about the way, I feel
• 59:54
  Speaker 8: like I would be remiss in not mentioning that, um,
• 59:57
  Speaker 8: I have started– so on my Instagram and my Twitter,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 8: which are both Biggie Swalls, B-I-G-E-S-W-A-L-L-Z, I have started– every
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 8: Wednesday I'm posting something with the hashtag ThisIsTheWayWednesday. And the
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 8: goal is to highlight those people that we know in
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 8: our community, in our church, in our schools, and are
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 8: just people we've read about who are– going above and
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 8: beyond to be selfless to help somebody else to reach
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 8: outside of themselves and walk what i consider to be
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 8: the way i think what most of us have embraced
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 8: is the way at this point um so i definitely
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 8: want people to keep an eye out for that and
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 8: to tag people that they appreciate um and let other
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 8: people know about it especially because you know we it's
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 8: so easy for us to see what's negative about social
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 8: media these days and there's plenty plenty So it's nice
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 8: to have these positive things out there. I'm doing a
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 8: lot of conventions lately and need to get better about
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 8: posting when I'm going to be where. And other than that,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 8: I mean, there's things I've been involved with that I
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 8: can't say anything about.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Everything's sort of on hold now anyway.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 6: And that is also true.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: But yeah. Well, thank you for talking with us. This
• 1:01:13
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• 1:01:14
  Speaker 6: Thank you so much.
• 1:01:14
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• 1:01:34
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• 1:01:41
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• 1:02:02
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• 1:03:07
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• 1:03:09
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• 1:03:47
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• 1:04:09
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• 1:04:12
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  Speaker 5: Okay, I'm back. Wait, what the hell are you two doing?
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  Speaker 4: You put that box back in the closet.
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  Speaker 2: I should have put you in the dungeon. I knew it.
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  Speaker 5: Anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Well, why didn't you?
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  Speaker 4: You keep threatening that.
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  Speaker 2: And yet, here we are. Last time, Nora got upset.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, she got upset because you expected her to shave
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  Speaker 4: her armpits after.
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  Speaker 2: She was there for a week. I mean, she was
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  Speaker 2: just mad because you didn't have anybody to do it
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  Speaker 2: for her.
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  Speaker 7: I was trying to remember what happened in that dungeon.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want to remember.
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  Speaker 7: I blocked it all out.
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  Speaker 4: That's the only thing I remember.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, all that aside, I do want to say thank
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  Speaker 2: you to Emily Swallow. She is awesome. And if you
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  Speaker 2: see her out there making an appearance somewhere, go and
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  Speaker 2: see her because she's super cool. Uh, I also want
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: to say thank you to not only her staff who
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: were really good to work with, but also, um, PopCon
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  Speaker 2: Louisville because they were instrumental in putting this together. And, uh,
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  Speaker 2: we've worked with them before when they were just out
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  Speaker 2: of indie and, um, actually put together one of my
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  Speaker 2: favorite episodes at one of their indie PopCons. So, um, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they were really useful and helpful in this process. So
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  Speaker 2: thank you to them. Uh, They've got more coming up
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  Speaker 2: out of Indiana and Louisville, so go to popcon.us and
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  Speaker 2: it's got options. You can pick whatever city you're interested
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  Speaker 2: in and go see what they've got going on. But otherwise,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for joining me for our talk about important
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  Speaker 2: stuff like tigers and blowing up buildings.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't really have anything else to do. No, actually
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  Speaker 4: it was quite enjoyable and it was refreshing to talk about.
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  Speaker 4: A non-scary movie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, every once in a while. It's good to mix
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  Speaker 2: it up and do something else. All right. Otherwise, that
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  Speaker 2: about does it. We will return next time. Same Geek Feed.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. Bye.
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  Speaker 4: Bye, everybody.
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  Speaker 9: They made up their minds And they started packing They
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  Speaker 9: left before the sun came up that day An exit
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  Speaker 9: to eternal summer slacking.
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  Speaker 5: But where were they going.
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  Speaker 4: Without ever knowing the way?
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  Speaker 5: We drank up the wine and they got to talking
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  Speaker 5: We now had more important things to say.
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  Speaker 3: And when the car.
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  Speaker 5: Broke down they started walking Where were they going without
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  Speaker 5: ever knowing the way Anyone can see the road that
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  Speaker 5: they walk.
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  Speaker 3: On is baked in gold. And it's always summer.
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  Speaker 5: They'll never get cold. They'll never get hungry. They'll never
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  Speaker 5: get old and brave. You can see the shadow of
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  Speaker 5: water being lost on you. They won't make it home
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  Speaker 5: but they really don't care They wanted the highway They're.
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  Speaker 3: Happier there today Today Children woke up and they couldn't
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  Speaker 3: find them Left before.
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  Speaker 5: The sun came up that day They just drove off
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  Speaker 5: and left it all behind them. Where were they going
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: without ever knowing the way? Anyone can see the road
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: they walk on is painted in gold. It's always summer,
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  Speaker 5: they'll never get cold. You can see the shadows wandering
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  Speaker 5: off somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: They won't make it over.
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  Speaker 5: ¶ ¶ ¶.
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  Speaker 9: Anyone can see the road that they walk on ¶
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  Speaker 9: ¶ ¶ It's always summer, they'll never get.
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  Speaker 5: Cold ¶ ¶ ¶ They'll never get hungry, they'll never
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  Speaker 5: get old ¶ ¶ ¶ You can see the shadow wandering.
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  Speaker 3: Off somewhere ¶.
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  Speaker 5: They wanted the highway They had me there today.
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  Speaker 6: It's about 16 hours there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: And it's so weird because you, uh, I never had Wednesday,
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  Speaker 8: May 31st because you just skip a day.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's somewhere in the world. There's a, you're slipping into
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  Speaker 2: another universe.
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  Speaker 6: But then get this on the way back.
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  Speaker 8: We took off at six in the morning on Monday
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  Speaker 8: and we landed earlier than that on Monday.
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  Speaker 6: So my Monday was interminable.
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  Speaker 2: This is a sci-fi adventure you're having.
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