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Jeff Legwold joins Moser, Lombardi and Kane 3-13-25 · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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  Speaker 5: as we do every Thursday at nine o'clock, Leggy. Since
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  Speaker 5: we last spoke, free agency has opened up. The Broncos
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  Speaker 5: I think have been remarkably, remarkably good in the decisions
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  Speaker 5: that they have made. But for the moment, let's start
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  Speaker 5: from the beginning. Hufanga Dre Greenlaw, I know there's some
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  Speaker 5: injury risk that's to them, But do you see a
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  Speaker 5: weakness right now with the Broncos starting defense as currently constituted.
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  Speaker 3: Now? And you know, if healthy is the big phrase
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  Speaker 3: for their free agency class, even you know Evan Ingram,
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  Speaker 3: you know, missed half the season last year. So you know,
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  Speaker 3: all three guys at the top of their free agency
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  Speaker 3: class are coming off an injury season. So if they
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  Speaker 3: get it right and get some good fortune, I think
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  Speaker 3: they've done very well. And you know, they got the
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  Speaker 3: prices they got because of those injury questions. So but
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Hufango is you know, having an all Pro
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  Speaker 3: season when he tore his ACL a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 3: And you know Greenlaw uh is just one of the
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  Speaker 3: better weak side linebackers in the free agency class. But
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  Speaker 3: and Ingram, you know, they haven't had a pass catching
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  Speaker 3: tight end like Ingram, you know, for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: I mean the guy at one hundred catches a couple
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  Speaker 3: of years ago, so you know, they haven't had anybody
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  Speaker 3: live in that neighborhood ever, you know, recently in tight ends.
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  Speaker 3: So again, if they've got it right, if they you know,
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  Speaker 3: if if their physicals and you know, all their due
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  Speaker 3: diligence proves to be correct. You know, these guys are
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  Speaker 3: playing as soon as they walk through the door. And
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  Speaker 3: a defense that finished number one and some of the
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  Speaker 3: most important advanced metrics gets two guys at the you
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  Speaker 3: know that are impact players at the two spots where
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  Speaker 3: they needed it.
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  Speaker 2: They're on is Mike Dernellie, Hang on, vict go ahead.
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  Speaker 6: Give me a comp for Hufunga if you don't mind.
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  Speaker 2: Like what player does he remind you of?
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's it's sort of like, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: hate to do it with a Hall of Famer, but
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  Speaker 3: paulam Malu liked. I guess would be my.
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  Speaker 2: Hair makes it easy, right.
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean he touches the ball a lot, which
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  Speaker 3: for a safety is you know, he's either knocking the
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  Speaker 3: ball out, knocking the ball down. He is around where
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  Speaker 3: the action is, and you know they need that kind
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  Speaker 3: of safety. They're Uh, they were. For all the aggressiveness
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  Speaker 3: on their defense last year, they were they were pretty
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  Speaker 3: conservative with their safety play on the back end. They
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  Speaker 3: just wanted to make sure guys were in the right place.
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  Speaker 3: And when they did their review at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the season, Uh, they just found a lot of sort
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  Speaker 3: of you know, maybe errors we didn't think about a lot,
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  Speaker 3: but they they found a lot of errors, you know,
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  Speaker 3: where the two safeties were putting their eyes, where they
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  Speaker 3: were lining up, those kinds of things. So they they
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  Speaker 3: wanted to add some impact there and I think they
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  Speaker 3: get that. But he you know, he's an active player
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  Speaker 3: and at his best was at an all pro level.
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  Speaker 3: So that that's as good as you can find in
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  Speaker 3: free agency. Again, it's he's missed what thirty eight games
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  Speaker 3: in his career with a variety of injuries because of
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  Speaker 3: the way he plays. Yeah, you know, he's he's in
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  Speaker 3: the red he's redlining in a lot physically. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: those guys often, you know, sort of take themselves out
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  Speaker 3: of the game because just the way they play.
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  Speaker 7: Jeff, Now that they've done this, how much I know
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  Speaker 7: teams don't change their philosophy, but how much does this
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  Speaker 7: allow the Broncos in the draft to wander a little
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  Speaker 7: bit to a guy that they really like as opposed
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  Speaker 7: to just best player available.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, moj I always think when you know,
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  Speaker 3: when you phrase the guy they would really like is
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  Speaker 3: probably their best player of avail, you know, in terms
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  Speaker 3: of great because you know, I think that's why they
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  Speaker 3: liked last year's class so much. In their mind, they
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  Speaker 3: drafted players, you know, a full round or more after
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  Speaker 3: after where they had them graded, so they thought they
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  Speaker 3: were getting awesome value on their board. So, but this
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  Speaker 3: does what you want in free agency. This is how
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  Speaker 3: you should do it. You know, free agency should be,
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  Speaker 3: you know, picking off your needs so you can you
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  Speaker 3: can build your team in the draft, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: just keep stocking the depth chart with as much good
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  Speaker 3: you know, talent on on rookie contracts as possible. You know,
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  Speaker 3: don't leave, don't leave really good players on the board
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  Speaker 3: for other people to take because you're chasing a position.
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  Speaker 3: Those are the teams that draft poorly. And when the
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  Speaker 3: Broncos have had poor drafts, that's what they've done. They've
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  Speaker 3: chased positions instead of take players.
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  Speaker 5: Jeff heard a report from Adam Schefter earlier today talking
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  Speaker 5: about the Broncos might be interested in Cooper Cup.
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  Speaker 2: What have you heard?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I never say they're not interested in anybody.
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  Speaker 3: They will consider anyone at this point. I mean, they
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  Speaker 3: they know the division they're in, they know, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think things are only getting tougher in the AFC
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  Speaker 3: West with Pete Carroll's arrival and kind of what they've
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  Speaker 3: done and with the Raiders this offseason, so they know
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  Speaker 3: where they're at and they know they can't leave any
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to get impact. It's just you know, what are
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  Speaker 3: you what Cooper Cupp are you getting? You know, that's
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  Speaker 3: always the question. He's almost thirty two, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: think he's you know, he's not at the level of
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  Speaker 3: where when he won the Triple Crown. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: think sometimes when we talk about veteran free agents, we
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  Speaker 3: talk about their best season, no matter how long ago
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  Speaker 3: it was. And you know, look, you know I want
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  Speaker 3: to champion old people on their jobs as much as
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  Speaker 3: possible because I am one. So uh, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: if you're building your team, you got to consider that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: They're interested, yes, because at his best, he's an impactful
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  Speaker 3: route runner who will be exactly where bo Nicks needs
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  Speaker 3: them to be on every play, uh, And they need
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  Speaker 3: that in their offense. They need to get people off
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  Speaker 3: of Sutton, you know, and and free up things down
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  Speaker 3: the field. You know, they need to keep people from
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  Speaker 3: from mashing up the middle of the field on them
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  Speaker 3: the way they have been. So yeah, they're interested, But
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  Speaker 3: I think it would have to be at the right price,
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  Speaker 3: and I think they would have to really think through
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  Speaker 3: how many snaps is he getting? Who does it cost
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  Speaker 3: when he gets those snaps? Will they be preventing the
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  Speaker 3: development of anybody? All those things? But sure they would
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  Speaker 3: be interested because he he would give you everything he has,
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  Speaker 3: you know, on every play.
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  Speaker 2: Got a two parter here for you, Jeff.
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  Speaker 6: Could you see now now that Javonte's gone, He's gone
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  Speaker 6: to Dallas and not sure about their running back status?
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  Speaker 6: Could you see them going free agency maybe bring in
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  Speaker 6: some depth veteran to help us supplement that position. And
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  Speaker 6: at the same time, could they at number twenty draft
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  Speaker 6: of running back? How many running backs on your board
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  Speaker 6: right now would qualify for the Broncos at number twenty?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe you know, maybe only one? Really a lot of people?
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  Speaker 3: Well again, I you know, maybe you know, Jente, I
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  Speaker 3: think for sure Hampton is a guy. You know, I've
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  Speaker 3: got I've got guys in the league telling me he's
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  Speaker 3: the top fifteen player on their board. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: would a team take him there? You know, that's it's
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  Speaker 3: always the the pure grade versus the value of the
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  Speaker 3: position and all that. The issue in the running back
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  Speaker 3: in the draft is this is an awesome class. You
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  Speaker 3: would not have to go at twenty to get a
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  Speaker 3: guy who could walk in and contribute. I think all
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  Speaker 3: the way down through the second and third rounds, they're
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  Speaker 3: gonna be running backs who could walk in as the
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  Speaker 3: rookies and participate and have impact in the Broncos offense.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I think a guy like Samson from
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  Speaker 3: Tennessee and I think atn from Georgia are two guys
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  Speaker 3: that would interest them down the board a little further
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  Speaker 3: that you wouldn't take it twenty, but they're gonna come
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  Speaker 3: in and do things for you as soon as they
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  Speaker 3: get here.
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  Speaker 6: What do you think of Devin Nil, the running back
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  Speaker 6: from Kansas.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, again, he breaks tackles. He running back coaches
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  Speaker 3: love that kind of guy because he he gets through
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  Speaker 3: the first tackle. You know, an awful lot. And I
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  Speaker 3: just think of this. You know, if it was any
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  Speaker 3: other year, you know, he might be a guy we're
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  Speaker 3: talking about, but he may not be in the top
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  Speaker 3: ten running backs of this class. Wow, just because it's
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  Speaker 3: so deep. I mean, you're talking this is the best
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  Speaker 3: class of running backs I think I can remember ever.
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  Speaker 3: I'd have to go back and really dig through the binders.
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  Speaker 3: But this is a really, really good class of running
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  Speaker 3: backs and I will be stunned if they don't take
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  Speaker 3: at least one of these guys because it's too good
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  Speaker 3: to pass on.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I look at it too, Jeff.
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  Speaker 7: I guess I shouldn't be because the guy's emerge at
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  Speaker 7: every position. But always like, man, that guy was a
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  Speaker 7: fourth round running back and now he's a total player.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, he's really helping Team X, you know what
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  Speaker 7: I mean. It just feels like if the scheme is
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  Speaker 7: right for that player, you can get them down the
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  Speaker 7: line and they're gonna make an impact on your club.
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  Speaker 7: Is that what you're talking about when when you've got
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  Speaker 7: the opportunity to maybe wait on a guy but come
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  Speaker 7: into the Broncos and be a featured type of back.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty mileage. I just think in the first round,
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  Speaker 3: that's what if Jesse's out there for me every Okay, Ever,
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  Speaker 3: if the best guy at that spot is a wide
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  Speaker 3: receiver or an inside linebacker, you take them and and
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  Speaker 3: you figure it out later, because the teams that take
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  Speaker 3: all the good players win a lot of games, and
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  Speaker 3: they don't, you know, the Ravens. Don't go into the
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  Speaker 3: draft ever, you sitting down at twenty five, twenty seven, thirty.
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  Speaker 3: They don't win every year because they pick for need
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  Speaker 3: down there. They take the best guy, they don't care
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  Speaker 3: what he plays. They and then they say, give me
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  Speaker 3: all these good players and we'll figure it out as
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  Speaker 3: we go. And that's I think that's the the thing
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  Speaker 3: the Broncos have to do. I mean, they they surrendered
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  Speaker 3: the the blue chip area three drafts with Russell Wilson
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  Speaker 3: and Sean Payton coming here, So that's that's still a
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  Speaker 3: big hole that that they're dealing with in their developmental area.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they got to to me, they have to
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  Speaker 3: keep draft picks and keep using them to get players
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  Speaker 3: because they've got a three year window there when they
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  Speaker 3: weren't able to sort of participate at the top of
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  Speaker 3: the board. So I don't think they can waste any
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  Speaker 3: of their chances to do that.
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  Speaker 5: Now, what do you think they're feeling is with estimate?
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  Speaker 3: You know, I they like him, but you know, the
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  Speaker 3: playoff game will always baffle me. I just don't I
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  Speaker 3: don't get it. You know, you don't. You don't put
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  Speaker 3: him out there and then the guy you put out
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  Speaker 3: there instead of him, you didn't even use So I just,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the wild card getting able to baffle me
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  Speaker 3: for a long time, as far as the run game,
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  Speaker 3: the running backs, all of it. But I don't know
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  Speaker 3: how they could look at him practice, you know, what
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  Speaker 3: I've seen in practice and what I've seen in games.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how you can look at that and think,
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  Speaker 3: you know that he's unable to participate. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 3: a player he should be used, and I think that's
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  Speaker 3: part of you know, I think he's in the plan.
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  Speaker 3: Their issue is in Sean Payton's offense. That pass protecting
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  Speaker 3: running back is a big deal, And it's a lot
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  Speaker 3: bigger deal than maybe the fans, to us, to anybody else.
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  Speaker 3: It matters to them, and that's how they're going to
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  Speaker 3: fill a lot of the roles on some of those downs,
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  Speaker 3: is who they feel like can do the things Javante
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  Speaker 3: did on those downs, because that's why Javante was playing
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  Speaker 3: so much right on those downs when everyone was so
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  Speaker 3: frustrated about why he was playing.
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  Speaker 5: Well, let me ask you the periodic question that we
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  Speaker 5: always ask then, because Sean Payton did not run the ball,
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  Speaker 5: has not run the ball, consistently for two straight years here.
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  Speaker 5: But he did run the ball. He did run the
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  Speaker 5: ball consistently in New Orleans, So he didn't trust the
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  Speaker 5: personnel in the backfield. If he got somebody that was
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  Speaker 5: a good running back, would he do it differently or
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  Speaker 5: is this all a mental thing of how he wants
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  Speaker 5: this offense to look well?
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  Speaker 3: You know, he's got the headset, so ultimately, his complaints
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  Speaker 3: about how it looks or you know, they're not doing
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  Speaker 3: something enough, you know, fall on him. You know, he's
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  Speaker 3: the guy with the headset.
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  Speaker 5: But does he not trust did he not trust guys
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  Speaker 5: like Javonte and estimated Julie last year to do it
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  Speaker 5: effectively enough?
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  Speaker 3: That was a question. I asked a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: who've worked for him last year and who've played for him,
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  Speaker 3: and they saw Sean Payton that that moved around the
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  Speaker 3: play card more here than he has in New Orleans,
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  Speaker 3: that less of Hey, these three plays are really working.
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  Speaker 3: Let's just keep rocking that until they don't work. There
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  Speaker 3: was a more of a move around. You know, their
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  Speaker 3: first drives would often look good, and then they would
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  Speaker 3: depart from the things they did on those first drives,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and go do other things, and I think
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  Speaker 3: sometimes they lump all that in the We had to
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  Speaker 3: make adjustments, but sometimes you didn't have to make adjustments.
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  Speaker 3: It was working great. It probably would have worked a
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  Speaker 3: little longer, but that's what I see that. You know,
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  Speaker 3: the run game for them is about commit Hey, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not talking about return to the eighties or anything.
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  Speaker 3: You know that there are good running teams that only
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  Speaker 3: run the ball thirty eight percent of the time. But
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  Speaker 3: they're good running teams. They run at the right time,
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  Speaker 3: They got the right people. You know, they stress the defense.
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  Speaker 3: But again with all these nickel defenses, you're facing defenses
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  Speaker 3: that have linebackers that are the size of safeties used
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  Speaker 3: to be. You know, it's just you've got to pound
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  Speaker 3: it in there at some point, no matter how smart
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  Speaker 3: you want to be, and no matter how much you
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  Speaker 3: want to throw the ball. The successful offenses right now
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  Speaker 3: have found a place for the run game. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: in the Broncos Division, I'll keep saying it. I think
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  Speaker 3: keeping the ball has merit. I know that's not fun
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  Speaker 3: to talk about that time of possession as a dogus
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  Speaker 3: stat and all that. I get it, but at some
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  Speaker 3: point it's a lot harder for the homes to score
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  Speaker 3: without the ball. Jeff.
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  Speaker 7: Last thing for me, real quick, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 7: freezing quarterbacks out there. You know, some names that that
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  Speaker 7: that that people know, like James of course, and Cousins,
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  Speaker 7: all the Trey Lances out there. Are all these guys
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  Speaker 7: going to find a job in one way or another.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, what are we looking at here?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, I mean the quarterback class is thin in
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  Speaker 3: the draft, so it's hard for me to believe all
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  Speaker 3: these guys won't have a place. But we're really seeing
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  Speaker 3: modern free agency MOS. The first two days Monday Tuesday,
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  Speaker 3: the negotiating period. That's the player's time, maybe maybe a
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  Speaker 3: little of Wednesday too, that that's really the player's leverage
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  Speaker 3: in free agency. And if you're not one of the
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  Speaker 3: guys who agrees to a deal Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday,
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  Speaker 3: then you're on the team's terms. I mean, look at
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  Speaker 3: all the one year deals you see from Wednesday on,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and by on I mean all the way
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  Speaker 3: to Mini camp. You know it'll be nothing but one
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  Speaker 3: in two year deals. Now for the rest of the
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  Speaker 3: you're on the team's clock now. And all these veteran quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 3: uh are at the whim of these teams who want
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  Speaker 3: to see, okay, with the dust settles, how do we
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  Speaker 3: look how do we look here? And what do we
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  Speaker 3: you know, which one of these guys will come in
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  Speaker 3: and behave and be a good backup for us. And
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  Speaker 3: that's some you know, free agency is that's how it looks.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of former Broncos.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, you got Russ obviously, you got Brandon Allen,
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  Speaker 7: you got Jeff Friscoll, you got Rip, you got you
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  Speaker 7: got all these different guys floating around up there. I
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  Speaker 7: don't know, It's just it just looks like a lot
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  Speaker 7: of names to me. And I'm like, I don't see
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  Speaker 7: how all these guys find find a gig.
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  Speaker 3: They may not, you know it. Maybe you know, you
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  Speaker 3: gotta keep working out and people bring you in and
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  Speaker 3: I mean, just think about it. The Lions brought in
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  Speaker 3: Teddy Bridgewater at the end of the season last year.
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  Speaker 3: He was coaching high school football. So it's hard for
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: me to believe that, uh, a lot of these guys
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: won't have at least some employment. And with the practice squads,
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: now you're you're looking at some future veteran practice squad guys.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Here moving forward to.
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  Speaker 6: My TikTok account has been hacked and I'm wondering can
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: help me unhack it again?
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, you know me. I'm an expert. I
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: am the only person on planet Earth who has never
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: had a TikTok account.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: So there you go, me too, Leggy.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: I just can't. I can't believe anyone would be interested
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: in my don't in.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: Your dances, and like, like you stand up and give
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: me a good old Jackson the homes.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: But I'm not give him some music. Give him some music.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Let's get some music for Jeff.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Like I like to keep I have to keep my moves,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: you know, in the private realm. Let's just say.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: That, you know, you know, like not not even five seconds,
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: little hand movement anything.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Oh no, come on, come on, Jeff.
• 18:52
  Speaker 7: What was the last time you did dance? What whose
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: wedding were you? When you the last time you danced?
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Let's see. Now, you know, I've had some I've had
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: some questivus. There's no question, all right, I give you
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: all right, if I give you five seconds, it'll live forever.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: So there's no way, pretty.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: Much, Jeff, Mark, Jeff, I'm just gonna have to do
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: this then from here on out until the draft starts,
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: you either give me five seconds of a TikTok dance move,
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: or you give.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Me one of your top one hundred. You choose which one.
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: I don't care which one, but you have to do
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: one of them.
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  Speaker 3: That feels like a threat.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: I could never threaten Legwald. I'm terrified of you. You
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: got you got like bear pause for hands. I wouldn't dare. Uh.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Leg. You always appreciate the time. We'll talk
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: to you next week.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: You guys are awesome. Let's see you all right.
• 19:43
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• 19:51
  Speaker 5: start with a job in.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: With a career. You guys agree with me, by the
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: way I am.
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: You were like a world class answer and we didn't know.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: It's just hidden.
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean if you just pulled out some were
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: ridiculous moves I had.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Do you guys agree with me on this?
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: Lakewold strikes me as a guy that was like a
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: world class wrestler and like high school in college and
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: he's just hidden that, Like if you actually got into
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: a tussle with him, he would break you in half.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: He seems like one of those stout like hands the
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: size of anvil's kind of guy that I'm not messing
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: with him.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: So it wasn't a threat, like you as a request
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: either a five second TikTok dance or one of your
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: top one hundred. I feel like that's a reasonable request.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: We're about a month away from the draft anyway.
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: Ish