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CANDACE OWENS VS JOSH · Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps

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  Get a humans welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas and just how dangerous does an
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  idea have to be before you refuse to speak with the person expressing that idea.
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  This is something I think about a lot on this show.
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  If you're just joining this show for the first time, it's a place where we have conversations
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  about some of the most controversial and provocative issues that are difficult to talk about where
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  usually we find ourselves treading on egg shells or worrying about triggering tripwires, but
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  we're not out here to intentionally provoke or to place gotcha questions and try to misrepresent
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  people. We're trying to actually push back and understand what people really think about
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  some of the most controversial issues of the 21st century.
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  And in that spirit, Candace Owens is someone who I struggled with for a while to figure
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  out whether or not I should allow on the show.
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  She is an American political commentator and pundit, one of the most popular people on
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  the internet or at least the most seen people on the internet, probably half of the people
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  who are following her and watching her are hate watching.
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  She was initially critical of President Trump.
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  She was initially critical of the Republican Party, but she was also critical of Black Lives
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  matter and of the way we've come to talk about race.
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  And that got her noticed by a lot of people, including Kanye, who became a fan of hers.
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  She became the communications director of the conservative advocacy group Turning Point
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  USA.
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  She joined Ben Shapiro's conservative news website The Daily Wire.
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  She got her own streaming television talk show called Candace.
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  And that all fell apart in March of 2024.
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  After she said some anti-Semitic things, now Ben Shapiro is an Orthodox Jew.
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  And they had a falling out, and there had been months of tensions between Candace and
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  The Daily Wire.
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  And she's now out on her own in the wilds of the independent media universe, podcast
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  a stand, streaming television a stand.
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  And look, I thread a fine line on this show.
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  I do not want to be one of those naive internet robes who just sits back and nods along with
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  disingenuous bad faith hacks in the name of fostering greater understanding and civility.
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  And if we could all just talk to each other nicely, then the world would be so much better.
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  No, often it wouldn't, because often you just get steamrolled by bullshit.
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  On the other hand, I don't want to feed into a culture of thought silos and echo chambers
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  by banning from the show, people who I disagree with, even if they are provocative or nutty.
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  Now for me, Candace Owens is fascinating.
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  Her trajectory has been sufficiently weird and unorthodox, that she is clearly not a
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  disingenuous puppet spouting talking points.
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  She's someone who is trying as best she can, I think, to wrestle through ideas and is
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  quite frequently wildly mistaken.
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  I thought this was a constructive chat.
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  I think that Candace did, and I hope you enjoy this chat with the one, the only Candace Owens.
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  How you doing?
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  I've been good, you know, super busy, always crazy stuff going on, but I mean, I jumped
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  into three children under the age of three, so I'm just sort of used to living in chaos
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  at all times, whether it's political chaos or household chaos.
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  How do you juggle that?
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  You know, I always say to people, don't think, just go.
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  I think a lot of times if I sit down and think about everything I'm doing, then I get
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  completely overwhelmed, but I've learned the skill of not thinking about it, and it makes
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  it so much better.
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  That's interesting.
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  Where does that skill come from?
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  Is that something that's instilled in you from an early age, or have you learned that
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  the hard way?
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  I think I just sort of learned that behavior where I would find myself looking ahead
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  on my calendar and getting so overwhelmed with just how many things had to happen, and
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  I was like, why am I thinking about this?
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  I have to do it.
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  There's no point in getting boggled down in the details, put one foot in front of the
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  other and go, but I've always been a multi-tasker, I've always had a lot going on, but I will
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  say children adds another layer to it.
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  You have to be super organized, you know?
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  Yeah.
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  Or you just accept the chaos and the chaos is also fine, and sometimes not everything
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  gets done.
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  Sometimes, you have to buy the canteen lunch instead of making their lunch for them.
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  I've sort of had to reconcile for myself that, you know, I could be a perfect parent,
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  but then I'd be a lousy broadcaster, and I could be a perfect broadcaster, but then I'd
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  be a lousy parent.
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  So maybe I can just be mediocre in everything.
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  Maybe that's okay for a little while.
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  You know?
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  You can have it all.
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  You just can't have it all right now all at once.
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  I think for me, if I ever skipped making my three-year-old lunch, he would lose it.
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  So I'm not afforded that privilege of messing up as a parent.
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  You've got to stop that little thing from running the household candles.
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  Okay, let's be clear.
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  There are no tougher critics than toddlers.
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  Yes, yes, that's right.
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  The podcast audience will understand the toddlers will not accept it, so I have to be
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  perfect.
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  But it's fascinating.
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  Now, and you're rised to success, do you think that came, I mean, from the outside,
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  it looked like it was a sudden thing in your 20s where like all of a sudden, I don't
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  know, Charlie Kirk found you and then you were suddenly exploding across the college
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  touring circuit and everyone suddenly knew you and yesterday they didn't.
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  Did it feel like that from the inside or did it feel like a slow burn?
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  Yeah, I mean, it was definitely a rocket ship and it hasn't felt like it's slowed down
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  at all.
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  I don't feel like I've had a period of rest since it all began.
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  And yeah, Charlie Kirk was pretty early on.
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  I kind of got the call from Fox News and then the first job I had was with Charlie Kirk
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  at Turning Point, USA, and I just really hit the ground running.
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  And then I think, of course, notoriously, quite famously, Kanye, we're randomly tweeted
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  like a year later.
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  I love the way Kanna's own things and that sort of ripped me into a more cultural space.
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  So it's been a lot and it's been a blessing and I'm even grateful for the moments that
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  feel like curses because you always come out of everything a lot stronger than you went
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  into it.
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  What do you think Kanye was responding to?
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  Well, I had, I had the ability to ask him.
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  So he was watching a video of me on a college campus and the backstory of that is so great
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  because I wasn't as well known when I did that event and there was another person who
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  was supposed to with me who was being so nasty to me because I was like the new girl in
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  politics and she was very much the it girl.
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  And she basically told Charlie Kirk she wouldn't do the event if I was going there because
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  she wasn't going to let me ride her cocktails like this is a true story and I said Charlie,
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  I know I'm not a big deal right now, but you better tell her that you're still going
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  to do the event with me and not do it with her because this is the morally right thing
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  to do.
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  And he did it with me and that was the video that Kanye saw of me speaking to Black Lives
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  Matter protesters, which led him to tweet, I love the way Kanna's own things.
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  I was just being about, you know, Black Americans sort of being forced spend and accepting
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  the victim narrative.
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  I was very, very much a vocal critic of the Black Lives Matter movement.
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  And that was what he saw.
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  And where did that come from, Candace, because your grandfather Robert grew up black in the
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  deep south and like had run ins with the Ku Klux Klan and like the serious, like most
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  harsh version of American racism.
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  Did he talk to you about that when you were a kid?
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  He did.
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  Not when I was a kid, but when I was an adult.
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  And when I was a kid, even when he would tell us stories, it was exactly his perspective
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  of it that informed me and my eventual perspectives because he just never spoke about it like he
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  was a victim.
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  I mean, to the day he died, if you ever asked my grandfather about growing up in the
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  segregated south, he would just say it was a different time, baby.
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  And that's what he would say to me.
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  And he never held anything against white people.
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  I'd never heard him say racist things about white people.
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  And actually when he spoke about the incident where the Ku Klux Klan were shooting into
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  his house when he was a kid and they had to sort of run to the back of the house and
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  hide out of the bed, he always said it with like a trace of pride because he'd say, well
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  my, my daddy grabbed the shot gun and shot back at them boys, you know.
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  And so when you have that strength, you grew up with someone who has that perspective and
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  even has this trace memory and smiling when he tells you these stories, it feels really
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  cheap for me to grow up having lived through none of that in such a period of remarkable
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  privilege to, to mine that and then pretend that I'm somehow a victim.
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  It just would feel like I would feel disgusted with myself.
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  I had every opportunity in my life because of my grandfather and he never, ever wanted
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  to be perceived as a victim.
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  What about the ongoing differences between the outcomes of black Americans and white
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  Americans that income gap, the wealth disparity is that cause, that's not caused by racism?
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  No, definitely not caused by racism.
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  Or at least the historical legacy of racism?
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  No, definitely not.
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  So one of the things about statistics, as you can always manipulate them, tell the story
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  that you want to tell.
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  The reality is if you, if you look at the wealth index between black Americans and white
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  Americans, when they come from a married home, it could, virtually that disparity disappears.
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  And so a major issue with black Americans is that we have, and I will say this was a part
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  of the LBJ Government Great Society Act, systematically had fathers removed from the home because
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  of welfareisms.
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  So I'm really against welfareism.
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  It is a fact that black Americans were actually outpacing white Americans in terms of economic
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  growth under Jim Crow.
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  And then the Great Society Act came and offered all these welfare programs, and as a part
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  of those welfare programs was this poor incentive, which said, if you don't marry the father
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  of your children, black moms, we'll give you more money.
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  The government will give you more money.
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  And LBJ gave this grand speech about how that was what was owed to them because of slavery.
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  And everything collapsed in black Americans since.
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  Once the family is torn apart, whether you're a white American or a black American, you
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  start to see those statistics.
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  It's a pipeline to prison.
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  It is a pipeline to poor educational performance.
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  And so I'm a huge advocate for families.
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  Like families need to come back together and we need to embrace men and stop this.
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  You can do all bad all by yourself.
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  I think feminism is increasingly toxic.
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  And of course that ends me on the wrong side.
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  How is feminism, how is feminism toxic?
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  Oh my gosh.
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  It's the worst.
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  You will know this if you have children, but the first and foremost, the opportunities
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  that are afforded to children coming from a two-parent household, stable household,
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  the nuclear family unit.
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  Like I said, statistically, emotionally, every imaginable capacity children are better
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  off.
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  And so you have this feminist movement that, and I hate to call it a feminist movement because
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  a lot of times what you'll see is they'll borrow language from the past, but it's not
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  the same thing at all.
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  Like when, who was the feminist, the first wave feminist, I can't believe I'm blocking
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  on her name, who flew the plane, flew the plane, flew the plane, Amelia Earhart, thank you
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  so much.
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  Amelia Earhart, when those feminists arrived, they envied men.
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  Like they actually liked men and appreciated attributes that men had wanted to be like
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  them.
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  They, radical feminism, they absolutely detest men.
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  They do everything that they can to basically say that men ain't crap.
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  Women shouldn't want to marry these guys.
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  You can do battle by yourself.
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  Who needs a man?
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  Men are toxic.
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  Even these phrases, like toxic masculinity, I don't know if you guys are using the same phrase
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  overseas, but it should be completely removed from the lexicon because what you're saying
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  is that to be a man, like the implicit aspects of men are wrong, right?
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  Now that I have a three-year-old toddler and just see like the natural aggression of
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  boys versus my two-year-old girl, it's a beautiful thing.
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  Men are aggressive for reasons, right?
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  When you nurture that aggression in the right way, it's because they grew up and they
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  protect their families.
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  Like that's what they're supposed to do.
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  Right.
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  The types of people who would talk about toxic masculinity, Candace, would say that they're,
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  I mean, to be as generous to them as we can, but I'm sure they're a crazy people who
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  think that all men are evil and should be eradicated from the face of the earth.
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  But the most generous way of interpreting a phrase like toxic masculinity would be that
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  there are attributes of masculinity that can be channeled in positive ways and constructive
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  ways.
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  The go-getter attitude, the aggression, the status hierarchy, pecking order, obsession,
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  that perhaps pursuit of excellence at the expense of all emotional concerns, the grit
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  and determination, whatever those things are, that if they're misguided, then they can
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  be misapplied in ways that become toxic and become bullying, and that like our job
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  is to figure out ways of having positive visions of masculinity instead of toxic ones.
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  Yeah.
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  And my viewpoint is that why are you ascribing that to masculinity?
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  If somebody has toxic traits, they have toxic traits, but to describe it to ascribe it
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  to masculinity and to be clear, what people are learning in the classroom is that all
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  attributes of masculinity are what's wrong.
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  Like when you actually watch these speeches of women describing toxic masculinity, I mean,
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  they'll be speaking about men asking women on a date, which is completely ruining this
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  beautiful yin and yang of a man and a woman coming together, and it's actually producing
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  men that women aren't interested in.
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  It's nice for a man to work up the courage to ask a woman on a date.
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  I mean, you have women calling men holding a door when they see a woman trying to get
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  in as toxic masculinity.
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  Oh, you perceive my weakness.
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  And I'm going, what on earth is going on here?
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  What woman woke up one day and was like, hey, I'd really like men to not open the door
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  for me, to not offer to pay for the meal when we're out.
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  Like I say, it's actually a term that was created from toxic feminists.
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  I was talking to a, it's interesting you say that about holding the door because I was
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  talking to a young guy who was like, he was on the dating scene and he was like, it's
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  so confusing because he was on a date and he opened the door for his date of his car,
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  right?
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  When he got out of the car, like he rushed around to the other side and opened the door,
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  she was like, stop being so condescending.
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  Like, I know how to open a car door, right?
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  So then, you know, now he's never opened a car door again.
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  And I was like, I don't know, man, maybe they think that you're not very chivalrous for
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  not opening the car door.
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  Yeah.
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  Like you just never know whether or not the person's going to take it the right way
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  or the wrong way.
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  She's learning that in school, unfortunately, that's what she's learning is that when
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  a man does this, it's a toxic, toxic masculine trait.
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  And he's doing this because this is what he perceives of you and it's a moment of condescension.
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  And it's not.
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  It's none of those things.
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  The reality is he shouldn't have asked her for a second date, but also as she enters
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  in and dates more men, she's going, she's going to very quickly realize, like, hey, why
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  are men all treating me like I'm one of the lads, you know, like I'm just one of the boys
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  because you've allowed yourself to absorb this toxic feminist mentality.
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  And without even realizing that it's not what you want.
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  And that's what I really hate about feminism is that it is actually setting women upon
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  a path, which makes them wind up miserable.
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  Like women, you should go want to compete and be like men and work a nine to six p.m.
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  And you know, stave off, hold off on having children and studying a family because you
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  want to compete like men, that is not what women want.
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  It's not.
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  It's what they're being told that they want until they wake up one day.
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  And I'm sorry.
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  I'm going to see this now.
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  And you see so many women that are in their late 20s and they don't have a partner.
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  And you know, your body sort of comes online, your biological clock starts ticking and that's
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  not something that's drummed up.
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  It really is like your body starts screaming at you to have kids, just like you see them
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  and suddenly all of them are really cute.
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  I try to give people that warning.
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  A lot of women wake up to realize a feminism before it's too late and it's incredible how
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  many women who are older now have written to me and said like what you're doing is the
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  Lord's work because I believe this and I'm 55 unmarried, never had any children.
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  And I take, you know, medicine to keep myself happy because I believed, I believed that
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  men were sort of the enemy and I needed to pursue my career.
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  And so just being allowing women to hear the other side of that.
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  So that they're not.
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  I mean, there would also be, there'd also be a lot of elderly feminists who look at you
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  and go, well, it's all very well for you to, to rag on feminism now because you're
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  the beneficiary of feminism's earlier fights.
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  Like we had to, you know, there were, there were always people who were skeptical of feminism
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  but only because we stood up and we fought against men and we fought for equality and
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  we fought for the same opportunities.
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  Are you now in a position where you have the luxury of being able to poo poo us?
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  Yeah, they do say that and they're completely wrong and that means they haven't studied
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  the history of feminism because feminism is at war with itself.
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  There's four distinct waves.
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  The first wave is at war of the second wave.
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  The second wave is at war of the third wave.
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  The third wave is at war with the fourth wave.
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  The fourth wave, which we're in right now, is now fighting for men to be able to go into
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  women's restrooms.
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  Like this is not at all with the first wave of feminists wanted.
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  And so to have studied the feminist waves as I have, it gets quite comical and paradoxical
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  and it completely intersects into each other.
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  And first wave feminists and fourth wave feminists would be completely fighting with one another
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  because now it's become about transgenderism and that in and up itself is you're going
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  wait.
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  So we were fighting for our own spaces, we were fighting for our own sports, we were
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  fighting for our own leagues and now you're saying for men to be able to enter our leagues
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  is feminism.
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  It gets pretty crazy.
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  Well, there is an ongoing battle within modern feminism.
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  That's my point.
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  That's my point.
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  Whether or not.
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  That's my point.
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  So you're a feminist or yeah, I mean, I'll grant you that that is not one that is not an
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  issue that modern pro-trans feminists find it easy to disentangle exactly how to reconcile
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  themselves to that.
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  When we're talking about your initial rise, Candace, I'm interested in this period of
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  your life where you started out trying to expose bullies on the internet with that social
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  autopsy website and got basically harassed yourself and sort of pilloried and the funding
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  was pulled for that website.
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  Did you expect going in that that would be as toxic as an experience as it was?
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  Well, it was so crazy because this still was a part of my legacy and I never, all I was
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  trying to do was raise money for an idea that for came into fruition.
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  And I'm so happy it happened the way that it did because it's what woke me up to politics.
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  I was really Alice in Wonderland.
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  I had no idea how I had ended up with reporters writing stories about me because they thought
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  incorrectly that I had created a technology that could unmask trolls.
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  And so there was this overreaction in the media.
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  They started writing all of these things about me.
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  Suddenly I'm landing myself in the middle of the left versus the right gamer gates, gamers
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  on the internet.
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  We're suddenly weighing in on this and people were using words I had never heard before.
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  And I genuinely was just trying to think of a way like doxing.
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  Doxing.
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  I had never heard that word at the time that I had done this.
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  That is how not terminally I'm internet that I was at that time.
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  So.
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  And so.
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  But that's my point.
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  I mean, it seems from what I've read about it that you sort of blundered into it without
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  quite knowing just how these things play out, that like that when you step in this
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  briar patch, it has certain ripples and certain effects and certain reactions and certain
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  virality and certain norms and certain kinds of historical antecedents that you found
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  yourself swirled up in that you couldn't possibly have predicted.
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  Yeah.
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  And that's kind of been the story of my life, the story of me in politics where I accidentally
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  step on a desk and I'm like, what is going on here?
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  And so I've got to learn to adopt and adapt.
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  And that's why I say now I'm just totally completely calm in chaos.
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  Hmm.
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  So you've said, I've heard you say that what you regard your job as and tell me if this
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  is still true is like taking the great ideas of thinkers who you admire like Thomas
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  Sal and Ben Carson and basically packaging them for millennials as a millennial into
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  a full minute soundbite so that people don't have to read long books about them.
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  Do you still see yourself that way?
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  Yeah.
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  I love to read.
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  I've always been an avid reader my entire life and unfortunately that is kind of a lost
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  love.
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  It's a lost hobby.
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  I mean, kids now because of technology don't even have the attention span to read a book
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  and it's so crucial that people do because if you are just reading what you're being
• 21:16
  prescribed to read in the public education system, then you are a very predictable model
• 21:22
  of an individual.
• 21:23
  I will say that's going to come out of that and you have to read independently to explore
• 21:27
  topics to understand things that are happening in the world.
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  And so because I love to read and I know that many people don't, I just read books and
• 21:35
  then present ideas to them in a way that I think makes a lot of sense because I also love
• 21:39
  to communicate.
• 21:40
  I love to speak.
• 21:41
  I love to talk to people and I love conversation.
• 21:44
  So it makes sense.
• 21:45
  I get to do both and I think for a lot of people, they are actually being drawn into the hobby
• 21:52
  of book reading and asking me for my reading list as I tell them about these books.
• 21:56
  So it's kind of like reversing what's happened, making them interested in reading again and
• 22:01
  being like, by the way, this wasn't my idea.
• 22:03
  You said that young people find it harder to read now.
• 22:05
  Do you find it harder to read?
• 22:06
  And I find it harder to read.
• 22:07
  I mean, I find that something is happening to my brain with social media and with the pace
• 22:12
  of information technology at the moment and quite apart from having kids and you know,
• 22:16
  the hustle and bustle of family life.
• 22:17
  But certainly during the pandemic, I noticed that following the thread of a complex book,
• 22:22
  I started getting that kind of psychological itchiness that seeks novelty that is used
• 22:28
  to kind of the dopamine rush of the ping on your phone that you don't get from being
• 22:32
  20 pages into a book.
• 22:34
  Yeah.
• 22:35
  I guess it depends on what you're reading.
• 22:36
  What I will say is that I did notice that once my career got started in politics and it
• 22:41
  was like a rocket ship and I felt that there was the first two years I didn't read a book.
• 22:45
  I'm not kidding.
• 22:46
  I'm like two years without reading a book, which is so not me, but I was just so busy
• 22:50
  establishing myself online that I was naturally spending more time online.
• 22:55
  And when I went back and started reading a book, I was noticing that focus wise, something
• 22:59
  had taken place.
• 23:02
  And so you really just have to be super disciplined about how you're using technology and when
• 23:07
  you're using technology, like when you're turning your phone on, when you're turning it off,
• 23:10
  when I finish my podcast, I close everything down and I go for a walk without my phone.
• 23:16
  And it does something for your brain.
• 23:18
  There's like a period where your brain is shutting off and just going on a walk, you're
• 23:23
  using something else in your mind because you're kind of you're in your own mind.
• 23:26
  That's the entire point.
• 23:27
  Walking is so good for the brain, but I had to definitely condition myself to do that.
• 23:34
  Yeah.
• 23:35
  Yeah.
• 23:36
  It's work, isn't it?
• 23:37
  It's like it's something that I now regard as being like part of it almost like going
• 23:40
  to the gym or working out is like just giving your brain a rest from the constant firehose
• 23:44
  of information that keeps coming in.
• 23:46
  That's right.
• 23:47
  So when you, I mean, the challenge for somebody like you is how do you make sure that the
• 23:53
  ideas that you're repackaging are good ones and nonsense?
• 23:57
  Well, I think the best thing to do is to practice humility.
• 24:02
  I never, and I think that hopefully that's one of the things that keeps people coming
• 24:06
  back to my content and has made the show so successful is I don't speak to them authoritative
• 24:11
  authoritatively.
• 24:12
  You know, I don't say that I know everything.
• 24:13
  I don't say, well, I've definitely figured this out.
• 24:15
  They're all there.
• 24:16
  You sound quite authoritative to me in your videos.
• 24:19
  I was like, you sound like you know a lot of stuff.
• 24:22
  It's quite intimidating.
• 24:24
  Thank you for saying that I think, but no, if you, if you are a regular listen to my show,
• 24:29
  I think people feel like they're on the journey with me like I'll be like, I just read
• 24:33
  this book chaos.
• 24:34
  I'm falling down, you know, I'm falling down the rabbit hole.
• 24:37
  You absolutely have to read it.
• 24:38
  Go get it.
• 24:39
  Like what am I learning?
• 24:40
  This is so crazy.
• 24:41
  Did you notice?
• 24:42
  Did you hear this?
• 24:43
  And also there, there have been times where I've been like, okay, we put it on this.
• 24:46
  I don't really know that we got this wrong.
• 24:47
  Like the girl wasn't right about this.
• 24:49
  I am just extremely, I hope people perceive like the humility because I have to add that
• 24:57
  humility because I was so wrong before, right?
• 25:00
  I came from the left and I believed my world was reality.
• 25:05
  And one of the biggest things that I say to people that really made me really humble
• 25:09
  to me was vaccines.
• 25:10
  Like I was a real big person that was like rare against any person that was anti-vac,
• 25:17
  so to speak.
• 25:19
  And then now I don't vaccinate my children.
• 25:21
  That's a tremendous amount of humility to get to swing from one direction to the other.
• 25:26
  And I try not to judge people that have ideas that I think are really far out there.
• 25:31
  Like I will always entertain a conversation.
• 25:34
  And that's actually what gets me in trouble with the mainstream media.
• 25:37
  And they'll say, she believes this.
• 25:38
  And I'm like, no, I just, I will listen to the person that believes that because I was
• 25:41
  so wrong on something.
• 25:44
  So, but if you're watching me in debates, I'm a whole different person because when somebody
• 25:49
  is calling me a name or dismissing me, I get into like adrenaline football mode, you
• 25:56
  know?
• 25:57
  But it doesn't strike me as exactly humility, Candace, to like not vaccinate your children.
• 26:02
  That strikes me as in some ways the opposite.
• 26:04
  That strikes me sort of as hubris that like the medical establishment is telling me this
• 26:09
  thing, but I know better.
• 26:11
  Is that humble?
• 26:12
  No.
• 26:13
  Well, I was actually vaccinated.
• 26:14
  So it was, it took a tremendous amount of humility for me to admit that I didn't know
• 26:21
  why I went and got this shot, didn't know anything about the statistics.
• 26:25
  And I took years to do the research myself without just accepting what I think is actually
• 26:29
  doctor hubris, which is to say, I'm a doctor, I went to medical school, I don't owe you
• 26:33
  a conversation, and I'm telling you to vaccinate your child.
• 26:36
  So on my series that I created, it's just a mom going through the history of vaccines presenting
• 26:42
  it.
• 26:43
  And I say, I'm not telling you to vaccinate your children or not to vaccinate your children,
• 26:46
  but I want you to not feel like an idiot like I did and be able to ask doctors meaningful
• 26:50
  questions.
• 26:51
  So at the end of every episode, after going through the history, I say, these are like
• 26:54
  five questions I would ask my doctor about, let's say the chicken box, chickenpox vaccine,
• 26:59
  which is baricella, which kids say, now I think they're going to die of chickenpox, but
• 27:03
  we all got thrown into a room and we had chickenpox parties.
• 27:05
  Like that's what I, that's kind of like how the show worked, where I'm like, yeah, no,
• 27:08
  I know we think this is what happened, but it's not really what happened.
• 27:11
  And here's like five questions you should ask them about the vaccine in search, because
• 27:14
  I'm going to take you through them.
• 27:15
  And here's where you can find them.
• 27:17
  And don't write, but a lot of people used to die of chickenpox, a lot more than people
• 27:21
  are currently dying of baricella, that is completely wrong.
• 27:25
  And I can send you the chart from the CDC website, no, but that is actually, and that's
• 27:31
  the point.
• 27:32
  This is what was so stunning to me.
• 27:33
  I thought the same thing.
• 27:34
  Like I thought everyone was dying from all of these diseases, but there's this chart,
• 27:37
  the American Medical Association has a chart that shows you the peak incidence and also
• 27:42
  the peak deaths.
• 27:43
  And I pulled up that chart, and I get people the links, I say, this is me doing research.
• 27:47
  I'm not a doctor.
• 27:49
  Here are the links.
• 27:50
  It's on my, on the page.
• 27:51
  And then they're so shocked like I was like, okay, let me ask you a question.
• 27:54
  This is my favorite one.
• 27:55
  Yeah.
• 27:56
  You get like 16 doses of tetanate, tetanus from like zero to 18 in America.
• 28:02
  How many people, and this is United States, at its peak incidence in the United States,
• 28:07
  how many people do you think we're getting tetanus, getting tetanus, not even dying from
• 28:11
  it, before they introduce the vaccine?
• 28:15
  It's going to blow your mind.
• 28:17
  Why don't I go down to Nippet Amyologist?
• 28:19
  And I will also tell you the population at that time was 139 million in the United States.
• 28:25
  So out of 139 million, how many people would you assume about we're getting tetanus to
• 28:30
  justify your children having to get tons of tetanus shots?
• 28:34
  Well, because I ascribe to the Candace Owens principle of humility, not being an Nippet
• 28:38
  Amyologist and you're not being an Nippet Amyologist either, I would, I would, I would
• 28:42
  not know.
• 28:43
  Yeah, I didn't, I didn't know.
• 28:44
  That's the point.
• 28:45
  And I'm being honest, I didn't know.
• 28:46
  This is like the chart that I pull up people, 550, like 550, not 550, 550, 550, 550,
• 28:55
  people, and it's just shocking, it's shocking and a lot of the issues.
• 28:59
  But Candace, this, I mean, I understand what you're saying, but this comes back a little
• 29:02
  bit to what I was saying about like, how can you sort what the good ideas are from what
• 29:07
  the nonsense is?
• 29:08
  Like we, I don't know whether that's a really relevant statistic.
• 29:13
  I don't know how safe the tetanus vaccine is.
• 29:15
  I don't know what happened to those 550 people.
• 29:17
  I don't know how good the accounting was in the accounting for those people.
• 29:23
  I guess there's sort of a fundamental assumption on my part that maybe I'm, maybe I'm just
• 29:27
  naive and credulous towards authorities.
• 29:30
  And maybe you're a bit naive and a bit credulous towards things that you read online.
• 29:34
  But my instinct is if there's, if there's a, you know, if the authorities are telling
• 29:38
  me that there's tetanus shot is there for a reason.
• 29:41
  And by authorities, I don't mean like some political partisan hack who works for a drug
• 29:46
  company.
• 29:47
  And like independent medical researchers at the Mayo Clinic, then I don't actually need
• 29:53
  to do my own research into that because I'm probably just going to get confused.
• 29:57
  Yeah.
• 29:58
  I see.
• 29:59
  I have the exact same perspective as a mom.
• 30:00
  I'm like super hawkish on everything and I need to understand things and you need to
• 30:04
  speak to me if you're a doctor or you're an expert.
• 30:07
  You need to speak to me like I'm an idiot and make it make sense.
• 30:09
  I actually, I think it's the exact opposite.
• 30:12
  I as a parent and a lot of moms who just are like, I don't know what any of this means
• 30:17
  and I feel like I'm just trusting someone like to know and to be able to ask questions
• 30:21
  and to say, okay, you know, does my child need this right now?
• 30:25
  It makes you feel so much better when you're having a conversation with a doctor because
• 30:29
  you don't feel like you're just being left out.
• 30:33
  And what's really interesting is to, and I think post COVID, you know, that my vaccine
• 30:37
  series really exploded is a lot of the times you learn that the doctors don't know either.
• 30:42
  You know, they're remembering what they're told to do in medical school and they're, but
• 30:47
  they're not even like my friend as a doctor is like, we don't go through the history
• 30:51
  of all of this.
• 30:52
  We're told this is what we've given to someone, so who is the authority behind all of
• 30:56
  this stuff?
• 30:57
  And for me as a parent and again, dad's moms might be different, but I wouldn't even
• 31:03
  want my child to eat something if I didn't know what was in it.
• 31:06
  Especially if you were mandating that they had to eat it.
• 31:08
  Like if they were like, your child has to eat this at school and you're not allowed
• 31:10
  to know what's in it, I'd be like, you've lost your mind.
• 31:13
  Like I'm not telling you.
• 31:14
  What do they do?
• 31:15
  Do your children eat, never eat fast food?
• 31:17
  They do not eat fast food, right?
• 31:19
  No, they don't.
• 31:20
  Okay.
• 31:21
  They haven't had a chicken nugget.
• 31:22
  They've had, they've had a Chick-fil-I don't know if you guys have Chick-fil-I.
• 31:25
  They have had a Chick-fil-I.
• 31:26
  No, we don't, but I know what it is.
• 31:27
  They've had a Chick-fil-I.
• 31:28
  Chick-fil-I.
• 31:29
  Well, all right.
• 31:30
  That's, yeah, you probably don't know what's in the chicken nugget.
• 31:32
  Although a Chick-fil-I sandwich is probably okay, because it's probably just a piece of
• 31:35
  chicken breast.
• 31:36
  Yeah, but they don't know how delicious they've never had McDonald or anything like that.
• 31:40
  Okay, good.
• 31:41
  All right.
• 31:42
  Then I stand by your consistency on not allowing things into their mouth, but you don't
• 31:46
  know what they are.
• 31:48
  You've gotten a lot of, I mean, the attacks on you have become quite relentless and
• 31:53
  quite remarkable.
• 31:54
  I remember seeing the first one about the nationalism clip from that speech that
• 32:00
  you gave in London about Hitler, where everyone interpreted this as being like that you were
• 32:05
  saying that everything that Hitler did was okay, except for invade other countries.
• 32:09
  So I went back and I watched the clip, and I thought that was the most ridiculous response
• 32:14
  that people were having to what I mean, it was clear to me that what you were saying
• 32:19
  I thought was that whatever was bad about Hitler was not his nationalism if he even had
• 32:26
  nationalism, but that his national pride was not the thing that the fact that he was
• 32:31
  a war-mongering genocidal maniac was what made him bad, not the fact that he was a nationalist.
• 32:36
  And yet the internet and the world and the media just gets consumed by this, I don't
• 32:43
  know, like there's something in us that just loves the fight, that loves the attack, that
• 32:48
  just loves to intentionally, I don't know if it's intentionally, I'm probably ascribing
• 32:55
  more motive than I should, but like misinterpret things, think the worst of people, and then
• 33:03
  pounce.
• 33:04
  Yeah.
• 33:05
  What do you make of that?
• 33:06
  Well, there's a couple of things that are going on there.
• 33:08
  The first part is just that people do love the fall.
• 33:13
  They love to watch people fall, it's why they can't look away if they think somebody
• 33:18
  that's at the top, like when Britney Spears is at her peak, is having a mental breakdown,
• 33:22
  like they want every minute of it, and they want to click it, and they want to follow
• 33:25
  it.
• 33:26
  And I don't know what guides that, it is quite dark to want to see people fall.
• 33:34
  And when you're in politics, that's heightened, right?
• 33:37
  Because people hate you for what side you're on.
• 33:40
  Like you're constantly, like if you are on the left and you hate cannoons on the right,
• 33:44
  like you are waiting for that moment, and the truth is, is that clip, I said that on
• 33:48
  stage in a room full of journalists, it did not make the news because the question that
• 33:51
  was asked of me was about Donald Trump and him being a nationalist.
• 33:55
  And they were like, you know, you're starting to embrace nationalism and some people don't
• 33:58
  feel good about that.
• 33:59
  And so I was just saying, the reason people have this weird idea of like saying I'm a nationalist
• 34:03
  and I am, I believe in nationalism, I believe in national sovereignty, like go, go, go
• 34:07
  for your in Australia, you should want, in my view, you should want to be a nationalist.
• 34:12
  And I'm American and I want to be a nationalist.
• 34:14
  And I was trying to explain that there's this wrong attribution to Adolf Hitler because
• 34:19
  he was a national socialist.
• 34:21
  And then they took that and pretended that I said he was a great man.
• 34:24
  It was incredible, but it was, it was months later.
• 34:27
  After I said that, it sounds like a different journalist, months later, a leftist journalist
• 34:30
  that was working for BuzzFeed.
• 34:32
  And I felt like they were just like, find anything on this girl.
• 34:35
  They find this moment, they cut off the question that's even being asked of me to make it look
• 34:39
  like I'm just up, like on stage, just being like, Hitler is great, he's amazing.
• 34:45
  It was really cheap and then that got taken and you had like a Holocaust center, Simon
• 34:51
  Wiesenthal Center, then like come out and condemn me.
• 34:53
  I mean, it was completely crazy.
• 34:56
  And I almost, there's no context, Candace, that you were in your 20s.
• 35:00
  It's speaking extemporaneously off the cuff, like not, I mean, how, well, you and I disagree
• 35:07
  about nationalism.
• 35:08
  I'm not, I'm not a fan of nationalism.
• 35:09
  I mean, I'm sure, and we could go into all the ins and outs of that and it would bore
• 35:12
  everybody tears.
• 35:13
  But I mean, if people disagree with you about nationalism, they can disagree with you
• 35:16
  about nationalism.
• 35:17
  They don't have to pretend that in every single instance that you ever mention the word
• 35:23
  Hitler, you also then have to go on a three minute speech about how, of course, the things
• 35:28
  that he did were bad and I don't believe in killing Jews or whatever it is.
• 35:33
  However, since that speech, you've also said a whole bunch of stuff about Hitler and
• 35:37
  Israel and Jews that people have found more alarming.
• 35:40
  Has your, have your views on any of those subjects changed since that time?
• 35:44
  No, I would say that my views, and I haven't talked about spoken about Hitler, but now
• 35:48
  what they do is they go back and they kind of pretend there's this catalog of like this
• 35:51
  was always coming because she once said that nationalism wasn't bad.
• 35:56
  And I was very happy that Pears Morgan showed how dishonest that was when I did his show.
• 36:00
  But I, I have changed my views on Israel, which is a foreign country like I would say,
• 36:08
  I, but I guess I wouldn't say I've changed my views.
• 36:10
  They've changed their government.
• 36:11
  I mean, BB Netanyahu and what they're doing post October 7th, which my country is funding,
• 36:17
  which I think invites us to be able to criticize what's happening there.
• 36:22
  I just haven't been comfortable with the amount of death of children that, that is my crime.
• 36:26
  That is my high crime.
• 36:28
  And there is something about the mainstream media.
• 36:31
  I don't know what the situation is in Australia, but in America, you know, A-PAC, which is
• 36:35
  like the Israel PAC in our politics, spends $100 million in our elections.
• 36:42
  They pay reporters to go on trips to Israel, you know, all of this is publicly available
• 36:46
  information.
• 36:47
  And so what they do is they kind of create this swarm of people that just take you journalists,
• 36:53
  quote unquote, reporters.
• 36:54
  And you say that you don't support something Israel is doing.
• 36:57
  You just, you're in their line of fire.
• 36:59
  And I've just decided to hold the line on that because for me, principally, when it comes
• 37:04
  to certain things and the number one thing is children, I will never buck.
• 37:08
  Like I will never buck when I believe, you know, transgendered surgeries is wrong on
• 37:12
  minors.
• 37:13
  You can call me transphobic to your blue in the face.
• 37:14
  It will never be okay with the amount of death that I've seen on my screen.
• 37:20
  And being told that you can't even critique it or mention it or your life's going to be
• 37:23
  ruined.
• 37:24
  It's like, this is a foreign country, like if something happened to Jews in America, Jewish
• 37:29
  Americans who live here work with, I'd be the first person out, like, you know, obviously
• 37:34
  defending them because they're Americans.
• 37:35
  But this is a foreign country.
• 37:37
  And I don't like what they're doing.
• 37:38
  And I have a right to critique it.
• 37:39
  And you can debate that and debate those points, but it's super cheap to pretend that
• 37:44
  every critique amounts to Jew hatred.
• 37:47
  I mean, it's just, it's, it's cheap.
• 37:50
  It's just very cheap.
• 37:51
  I mean, that is a move that, that is a move that happens, that is a disingenuous move
• 37:55
  that happens.
• 37:56
  I do see it where any time that you criticize anything that a specific, you know, Israeli
• 38:01
  government is doing, they'll say, oh, that's anti-Semitism, that's anti-Semitism.
• 38:06
  And yes, there's like a hegemony of kind of pro-Israeli rhetoric, especially in the Murdoch
• 38:12
  press here in Australia.
• 38:13
  But I would say that the center of gravity of public opinion in countries like Australia
• 38:18
  and throughout most of Europe and definitely the rest of the world.
• 38:22
  And certainly in American, in the American left, and on college campuses, in academia,
• 38:27
  and probably in entertainment, there's a large amount of sympathy for the Palestinian
• 38:33
  cause.
• 38:34
  And a large amount of double standards towards Israel, I think, and a large amount of
• 38:38
  criticism towards Israel.
• 38:39
  So I think when people, I think what people are smelling in some of your rhetoric is
• 38:43
  like something that goes further than just criticism of the Netanyahu government and
• 38:48
  love for a Palestinian baby is not being blown up.
• 38:51
  But sort of dark hints at like sinister forces of Franksts and, you know, Zionists over
• 38:57
  time who've been pulling the strings and doing things that are nefarious.
• 39:00
  And to many people, that smells, um, seemingly.
• 39:03
  It smells like the same kind of thing that for centuries, people have whispered about
• 39:06
  the Jews.
• 39:07
  Well, I just don't, I do not think, and I've been very open about this, that Judaism
• 39:12
  is Zionism.
• 39:13
  And if it were Zionism, then you wouldn't have so many Jews in America protesting Israel.
• 39:16
  I mean, let's also be clear, the Israelis protest the BB Netanyahu government more than
• 39:21
  anybody else does.
• 39:22
  Sure.
• 39:23
  And so it's very important.
• 39:25
  And because I got interested in this issue and I love to read, I began reading books and
• 39:29
  reading Israeli historians.
• 39:30
  And then when I bring to the forefront what Israeli historians say and speaking to your
• 39:35
  point about Frankism and then people lose their minds and I'm going, okay, so am I not
• 39:40
  allowed to read your books to get more educated on this topic?
• 39:43
  And now you're, you're purporting up this is anti-Semitism, but you awarded this historian
• 39:47
  for writing this book.
• 39:48
  I mean, that doesn't really make any sense.
• 39:50
  And I realize.
• 39:51
  What depends which books doesn't it?
• 39:52
  I mean, if you, if you're like obsessing about some arcane ancient, like Jewish cult or
• 39:58
  sect that, you know, most Jews don't regard as being Judaism and that the cultists don't
• 40:04
  regard themselves really as mainstream Jews as being true Jews, then you sort of aren't
• 40:09
  sort of reading tea leaves and quibbling over like some, I guess, inflating some arcane
• 40:17
  into Nissan war within Judaism into some, you know, nefarious kind of darks in us to
• 40:22
  plot that is bigger than it actually is.
• 40:25
  Yeah, I mean, I guess if you're, if you're reading the headlines, that would be your
• 40:27
  takeaway.
• 40:28
  But if you're actually listening to my show, I'm talking about an infiltration into
• 40:32
  all of the faiths.
• 40:33
  I'm a Catholic and the Frank and Frankus also is infiltrated the Catholic faith.
• 40:36
  And I spoke about that at length, but nobody covered it because the Catholics don't
• 40:39
  freak out if you talk about an infiltration into the Catholic faith because there we don't
• 40:43
  have like, you know, a pack or I guess a Vatican pack for reporters who are waiting and
• 40:49
  watching for every second that you say something about a Jew.
• 40:52
  So it becomes just like self-fulfilling prophecy where if you watched my, my show and you were
• 40:56
  waiting for every second for me to say something about a black person or a white person, then
• 41:01
  and every time you wrote an article about you go, my gosh, can this is constantly talking
• 41:04
  about black people.
• 41:05
  Which by the way, was the case during Black Lives Matter?
• 41:08
  Or like she's having an obsession.
• 41:09
  It's like, no, this is a mainstream issue.
• 41:12
  Everyone's talking about Black Lives Matter.
• 41:13
  It's not an obsession that I have with BLM.
• 41:16
  It's the fact that you are making people obsessed on this issue and I have a different viewpoint.
• 41:20
  And so you're attacking me and you're saying that I'm a self-hating black person and that
• 41:24
  I want black people to die at the hands of police.
• 41:26
  It's really the exact same tactics that BLM used and that I feel that APAC uses with their
• 41:31
  reporters, where you're, you, we're talking about this only because it's a mainstream issue.
• 41:35
  Like the Israel-Palestine issue is like what BLM was yesterday where everyone's speaking
• 41:39
  about it.
• 41:41
  And then when people, every single time you speak about something, they conveniently carve
• 41:46
  out what it was that you were actually speaking about and pretend that there was this focus
• 41:50
  on Jews.
• 41:51
  Like notoriously, I did this whole segment talking about the history of psychology, okay?
• 41:55
  In the segment, I think I spoke about seven psychologists.
• 41:58
  More of them were Christian and two of them were Jewish.
• 42:02
  They all wrote headlines about me talking about Jewish shy call.
• 42:04
  I didn't even mention the fact that they were Jewish.
• 42:05
  It was irrelevant.
• 42:06
  You know, they just literally were Jewish.
• 42:09
  And then a bunch of Jewish publications were like, she's speaking about Sigmund Freud.
• 42:12
  And I'm like, okay, are you going to mention the four Christian psychologists who I said
• 42:16
  were perverts as well?
• 42:17
  And the answers no because they want to convince the public that it's this obsession and
• 42:22
  that it's this specific hatred.
• 42:24
  And it's not.
• 42:25
  It's covering topics that I'm interested in sometimes bad people are black, sometimes
• 42:29
  they're white, sometimes they are Jewish.
• 42:32
  And you have a right to cover it if you want to.
• 42:36
  One of the topics that you've covered that I thought was fascinating, which I hadn't
• 42:41
  really thought about in 20 years was 9-11 and the inconsistencies about the official narrative
• 42:46
  on 9-11.
• 42:47
  You talk about how the owner of the World Trade Center Larry Silverstein said that he got
• 42:53
  a call from the fire chief saying, what should we do about building seven?
• 42:58
  Building seven, if people don't remember, was that this is one of the smaller buildings
• 43:01
  that in the evening after the towers had collapsed, then collapsed and some people think that
• 43:07
  there's something suspicious about that, that it was a controlled demolition or something.
• 43:13
  What's your, can you just explain to people what the hypothesis is here about?
• 43:17
  Yeah, I mean, we obviously have gotten all the answers in 9-11.
• 43:21
  And I don't know how, you know, what is told to you guys about 9-11, but I've had questions
• 43:26
  about 9-11 forever.
• 43:27
  Like, I've been covering 9-11 and the weird aspects of 9-11, since I was in high school,
• 43:32
  I thought that we were being lied to because I watched a documentary called Blue's Change.
• 43:36
  And there was a lot of things that were weird.
• 43:38
  For example, we never got to see until Tom Fittens group filed for it, the alleged plane
• 43:46
  that hit the Pentagon.
• 43:48
  Very weird, right?
• 43:49
  Very strange that someone would have to file seven years later to get footage of a plane
• 43:53
  that you're saying was attacked when all of these military people said that they heard a missile
• 43:57
  hit it.
• 43:58
  And also on the day of CNN, a CNN reporter, which I showed on my show, went right up to it and said,
• 44:03
  there's no plane.
• 44:04
  So these are the, these are the things that are just very strange.
• 44:07
  Like, why would you be hiding in alleged plane that hit the Pentagon when they were being
• 44:12
  investigated for a, a, a budget that had gone missing to the tune of trillions of dollars
• 44:18
  and conveniently the office that was investigating them in the, in the World Trade Center,
• 44:25
  all the files were gone.
• 44:27
  And then also the Pentagon, exactly where it allegedly got hit, was where all the files were.
• 44:31
  And so we can no longer question the American government on that particular audit.
• 44:36
  Questions, of course, being we were told that Saudis did this.
• 44:38
  They found passports, but not human remains, okay?
• 44:41
  You hear the passports, the people that did it, but we did not find human remains.
• 44:45
  I mean, this is just weird stuff.
• 44:47
  And 3,000 plus Americans died that day.
• 44:50
  I, I lived in Stanford, Connecticut.
• 44:52
  So these were my friends' parents who died that day.
• 44:54
  I will never stop asking questions about 9-11.
• 44:58
  And we deserve to have answers to those questions, the Larry Silverstein thing.
• 45:02
  I mean, he's lucky, but a couple of weeks before the towers go down.
• 45:07
  This thing is lucky because he had only just bought the towers in July.
• 45:10
  Six weeks before.
• 45:11
  And took out a specific clause on acts of terrorism made billions of dollars within six
• 45:17
  weeks.
• 45:18
  Also was supposed to be there that morning.
• 45:19
  I mean, to be fair, it's a normal piece of insurance that you get when you buy an incredibly
• 45:23
  expensive piece of realtor.
• 45:24
  Sure.
• 45:25
  It was supposed to be there that morning for breakfast left because he had a dermatologist
• 45:30
  appointment.
• 45:31
  Both of his children were supposed to be there.
• 45:32
  They also skipped out that morning.
• 45:34
  I'm just saying he's lucky.
• 45:35
  He's a incredibly lucky guy.
• 45:38
  And he should keep buying lottery tickets with, you know, with this sort of luck.
• 45:42
  And then he also lied about the phone call that he had with the fire chief, which is insane.
• 45:46
  Like how can you just say, let me, let me, let me, let me look at that.
• 45:50
  I want to see this clip because you showed a clip of Larry talking about this, uh, about
• 45:54
  building seven.
• 45:55
  Okay.
• 45:56
  Let me, let me just have a look at that.
• 45:57
  Uh, I want to take a look and see this interview of Larry talking about how he told
• 46:01
  the fire department chief to pull it.
• 46:04
  Now, I'm going to tell you what he says about why he said that.
• 46:06
  But first, let's listen to Larry Silverstein, Lucky Larry, in his own words.
• 46:11
  I remember getting a call from the fire department commander telling me that they were not
• 46:16
  sure they were going to be able to contain the fire.
• 46:18
  And I said, you know, we've had such terrible loss of life.
• 46:22
  Maybe this amount of things do is, is pull it, uh, and they made that decision to pull
• 46:27
  and then we watched the building collapse.
• 46:37
  That's very interesting.
• 46:38
  A lot of things interesting.
• 46:39
  So here I go with common sense again, I hate this.
• 46:41
  But, you know, on a day like this, people running screaming, being buried in rubble, looking
• 46:48
  for loved ones, fire department must have done, received how many phone calls.
• 46:53
  And you're telling me that the fire commander thought to himself in this emergency, hey,
• 46:57
  I should call and get the opinion of the building owner on how to do my job.
• 47:02
  I don't know.
• 47:03
  That strikes me as weird.
• 47:04
  Maybe I'm not a powerful person in New York City, because I always imagine that like if
• 47:08
  my house was on fire and I wasn't there because I was at the dermatologist conveniently, thank
• 47:14
  goodness.
• 47:16
  And it was just burning down.
• 47:17
  I just don't think that the fire commander would call me and say, hey, what's your opinion,
• 47:22
  man?
• 47:23
  There's just, it's just burning.
• 47:24
  And then I would say, like, yeah, pull it, like it's my job to direct the fire department
• 47:27
  how to do their job.
• 47:28
  It just seems weird that I would be in touch with them.
• 47:30
  Is that a normal thing?
• 47:31
  Maybe it is.
• 47:32
  I was born in New York City.
• 47:33
  Weird.
• 47:34
  I was born in New York and I just don't remember that like buddy, buddy thing like here's who
• 47:38
  we call.
• 47:39
  Usually they do their job and there was a lot going on that day.
• 47:43
  But apparently this guy thought, let me call the owner of the building and get his opinion
• 47:49
  on what we should do.
• 47:51
  By the way, new owner of the building, like the idea that the fire chief would know within
• 47:55
  the six weeks that he held the lease, not even the owner, right?
• 47:58
  The lease to that building is pretty incredible.
• 48:01
  You know that and that's just not what I would deemed to be the protocol, I guess.
• 48:07
  I mean, but I mean, I suppose if your house was one of the largest and most complicated
• 48:12
  engineering projects in the history of the world, then the fire chief might call you.
• 48:17
  You know, like I just think in another, at another occasion you talk about house suspicious
• 48:22
  it is that building seven collapsed in just seven seconds.
• 48:27
  And I can understand that thinking, but then a part of me also thinks, well, how slowly
• 48:32
  do you want a building to collapse?
• 48:34
  Like everything can always be picked apart and you can be like, why this and why that?
• 48:38
  But I guess this comes back to that question of like, how do you know that the things
• 48:41
  that you're repackaging for people are good ideas and not nonsense?
• 48:46
  Yeah.
• 48:47
  Well, just to give an update, the fire chief said he never spoke to Larry, so that might
• 48:52
  be relevant, which I said later.
• 48:56
  Might be, might not be, might be okay all the day.
• 48:58
  I'm just pointing out some things that are remembering.
• 49:01
  Yeah, maybe he just misremembered while he was at the dermatologist.
• 49:04
  I don't know, but it's a bit weird.
• 49:06
  The fire chief said no such conversation took place.
• 49:10
  So yeah, it's a question mark there.
• 49:12
  Who was he talking to on the phone?
• 49:14
  If not the fire chief, because the fire chief apparently was busy doing his job that day
• 49:19
  according to him.
• 49:19
  And I'm more inclined to believe the fire chief, but yeah, again, so what do you say?
• 49:24
  It's not just, so do go ahead, I'm sorry.
• 49:28
  Well, I was just going to say, do you see your job here coming back to the question of
• 49:31
  like humility versus hubris?
• 49:33
  I mean, the risk here is that by being particularly humble about conventional narratives that we
• 49:43
  actually sort of become credulous and gullible about alternative narratives and that, you know,
• 49:49
  the skepticism becomes a kind of credulity in itself.
• 49:55
  I understand what you're saying.
• 49:57
  I just like to keep a healthy heap of skepticism, I think.
• 50:02
  And so, and by the way, different strokes for different folks, there might be people who
• 50:07
  prefer to just hear the official narrative and those people will download and listen to
• 50:13
  podcasts on CNN.
• 50:14
  You know, everybody has a right to their own market and some people like maybe watching
• 50:19
  my content and thinking what you're thinking, which is like, well, maybe really that did
• 50:22
  happen.
• 50:23
  And I don't want to listen to her.
• 50:24
  I don't care about that too.
• 50:25
  You know, I'm not, I don't force feed my ideas to people.
• 50:27
  You know, I'm not like, you must listen to me and accept this, but I think people have
• 50:31
  a right to think, which is one of the things that I say, you have a right to think.
• 50:34
  And you have a right to ask questions.
• 50:36
  And you should always ask questions.
• 50:39
  And I've just, by the way, I've always been this way, like, from, I came out like this.
• 50:44
  And so it's definitely not going to change like people asking, like, no, like I was three
• 50:48
  years old and my parents would say that I was like this.
• 50:51
  Is the, lastly, on the question of like, you know, men and masculinity and effeminate
• 51:00
  nurse, I know that you've spoken about how social media is kind of draining positive
• 51:04
  masculinity from men and turning us all a bit effeminate.
• 51:07
  And you've said that that Barack Obama is gay, that Justin Trudeau is gay, that President
• 51:14
  Macron is gay, that the first lady of France is actually a secretly a man.
• 51:19
  Are you having a laugh or is that true?
• 51:20
  Can you have, can you admit my podcast is fun a little bit?
• 51:27
  I did not, not enjoy researching this episode campus, I'll tell you that for nothing.
• 51:31
  Yes.
• 51:32
  Well, I mean, listen, that report was in the Daily Mail where they found Barack Obama's
• 51:35
  homo erotic letters that he wrote in college and they've had them forever and they're just
• 51:39
  not publishing them.
• 51:40
  And he wrote about his homosexual fantasies and, you know, notoriously, there was the
• 51:44
  guy who kept telling the story about the night that he and Barack Obama did crack cocaine
• 51:50
  together and they hooked up a couple of times and that's never, he was very vocal, spoke
• 51:54
  out about it and never, that was never debunked.
• 51:56
  So we've always known that at best he's a bisexual man.
• 52:01
  I, even manual, why does that come?
• 52:04
  Because someone climbs that they hooked up with it.
• 52:06
  One of the close that they hooked up with it for his bisexual.
• 52:08
  Okay.
• 52:09
  Sure.
• 52:10
  I just think that you would at least respond to say this is completely wrong.
• 52:13
  I mean, he had like the date, the hotel, the time in Chicago, the number of the drivers
• 52:20
  that picked them up.
• 52:21
  I mean, it was quite thorough.
• 52:22
  Okay.
• 52:23
  I need to do my research on this clearly.
• 52:24
  I'm not doing enough reading, Ken.
• 52:25
  Yeah.
• 52:26
  But even if you park that aside and say you don't believe in allegation of somebody that
• 52:29
  comes out of the woodwork, I would say Barack Obama's own writing of letters about his
• 52:33
  homosexual deeds and cravings probably would amount to something concrete.
• 52:40
  Right.
• 52:41
  But you're, I mean, you're softening this a little bit.
• 52:43
  I just want to take a look at this because otherwise we're going to run out of time.
• 52:46
  Have a look at this.
• 52:47
  I'm waking people up to the fact that pedophiles are in power.
• 52:50
  Yes.
• 52:51
  They are literally in power.
• 52:52
  And that is intentional because then they can be controlled while they are in power.
• 52:56
  And they are also exhibiting signs of a psychopathology.
• 52:59
  Pathology that lets them know that they will do harm to the masses and feel nothing because
• 53:03
  they were themselves, many of them range when they were children is not a coincidence that
• 53:07
  Justin Trudeau is gay at Obama, gay, Zelensky, gay, Emanuel Macron, gay and married to a
• 53:14
  trans man who molested him when he was a child.
• 53:17
  Yeah.
• 53:18
  I mean, it sounds, I mean, with all the greatest respect, I love you Candace, but it sounds
• 53:23
  a bit bonkers.
• 53:24
  Well, have you watched all the corresponding episodes like it, do you want to take it piece
• 53:27
  by piece?
• 53:28
  So Emanuel Macron, not even the French press, even if you accept and I don't, that Brigitte
• 53:33
  Macron is a woman, what you have to acknowledge is that she statutorily raped Emanuel Macron.
• 53:39
  Like, maybe Emanuel Macron was 14 and she was 47.
• 53:44
  So there's no way to slice that where that looks good.
• 53:47
  There was a big age age gap publicly and then that got debunked and that's why no reporter
• 53:53
  will touch it.
• 53:54
  Like even the story that they tell you about, they've tried to say she was 40 and he was 16.
• 54:00
  No, it was 47 and 14 backed up by documents.
• 54:03
  Why don't I know how old they were?
• 54:05
  Yeah.
• 54:06
  They're married many decades later, so it ended up being consensual, which is not
• 54:10
  to justify it.
• 54:11
  But I mean, I think this is part of the game that gets played, Candace, which is that you
• 54:14
  notice a crack in the conventional narrative.
• 54:17
  And of course, I mean, I'm as critical of the mainstream sort of legacy media as anybody
• 54:23
  and of like how frustrating and infuriating public policy and governments and how secretive
• 54:30
  places can be.
• 54:32
  And I think it's important for us to ask questions and to notice when we're being misled.
• 54:36
  But to use the existence of like one little misleading tidbit, like the age difference
• 54:42
  between the president and the first lady and to then expand that and blow that up into
• 54:48
  what, like I've got an article in Politico here where the people who spread the rumors
• 54:52
  about Brigitte Macron, they were actually, they've had to pay thousands of euros because
• 54:58
  the claim has been proven to be false.
• 55:01
  So the French court system would also have to be in cahoots when you cover it out.
• 55:06
  But that's not true.
• 55:07
  Okay.
• 55:08
  So you are correct that they had to pay a fine and I've been covering this extensively
• 55:11
  on my show because I had the actual journalist who broke the story is not Natasha Ray.
• 55:16
  And this is one of the things that happens when people don't speak French and they can't
• 55:20
  read the documents.
• 55:21
  And I got so into this case that I reached out to the person, and by the way, we shouldn't
• 55:25
  poo-poo this investigative work.
• 55:27
  Let's not turn this into canis is just taking a little tidbit and going with the theory.
• 55:31
  It's the exact opposite.
• 55:32
  I thought the story sounded insane.
• 55:34
  I thought this story, when I saw the Daily Mail published it that Emmanuel Macron was
• 55:37
  speaking out and saying the rumors needed to stop.
• 55:39
  I was like, what is this?
• 55:40
  How strange.
• 55:41
  People think your wife lived as a man for 30 years.
• 55:43
  Like, aren't you going to have tons of photographic evidence of the first 30 years of her life?
• 55:47
  And then that led me to looking into the reporter who published a six piece part series
• 55:53
  and an investigation that took place for three years.
• 55:57
  Three years.
• 55:58
  That man's name is Xavier Pousard.
• 56:00
  Xavier Pousard is the one that published the piece, not Natasha Ray.
• 56:03
  The media read airing here is that they're benefiting from the fact that people who are English
• 56:07
  speakers don't understand what's happened in France.
• 56:09
  Xavier Pousard.
• 56:10
  I mean, I do speak French.
• 56:11
  Xavier Pousard has never been...
• 56:12
  But that comes a point at which?
• 56:13
  Right.
• 56:14
  Xavier Pousard is the one that published the piece.
• 56:16
  It was published in Fates set documents.
• 56:19
  He has never been sued for defamation.
• 56:21
  The publication has never been gone after.
• 56:23
  There isn't a civil, anything against him.
• 56:25
  Natasha Ray, the person that you're speaking about, who assisted him in the investigation
• 56:29
  but didn't publish the piece, went on to a YouTube channel of a woman Amandine Roy,
• 56:34
  which is the second woman that you see listed there in the political document, after his
• 56:37
  piece was published.
• 56:38
  And she misspoke by saying that she thought that Jean-Michel Trogneau's birth certificate
• 56:44
  was falsified.
• 56:46
  That was not true.
• 56:47
  She...
• 56:48
  That was the...
• 56:49
  And they went in and sued her for defamation because she had spent years trying to
• 56:52
  request the birth record from the Amian court town hall pardon.
• 56:58
  And they wouldn't give it to her.
• 56:59
  And then once his piece got published, they suddenly said, we have it.
• 57:03
  And she said, well, in my opinion, she didn't even say opinion, she said, that's a fake.
• 57:07
  That's a fake document because why would they give it to me now?
• 57:09
  It wasn't a fake document.
• 57:10
  For whatever reason, they declined to give it to her then, but they then gave it to her
• 57:14
  two years later.
• 57:15
  And so they were able to then sue her for defamation for saying that a document that
• 57:19
  they had produced was fake.
• 57:22
  What was that root of that defamation sue?
• 57:24
  And if you speak French, you can look into this.
• 57:26
  Was never whether or not Brigitte Macron was a man.
• 57:28
  It was whether or not a document from Amian was real or falsified.
• 57:32
  A claim that was never made in the journalist's piece that published it and who has since
• 57:36
  not been sued.
• 57:39
  Does anything hinge on this?
• 57:42
  Well, I would imagine that if you were a French citizen and the entire mainstream media
• 57:48
  was colluding to lie to you about the gender of the first lady and gaslight the public,
• 58:00
  it might matter to you.
• 58:01
  It also, if you're talking about vetting a candidate for office since the trans debate
• 58:06
  has gone worldwide, it might matter to you to know that your president is married to
• 58:11
  a transgendered person.
• 58:13
  So if this was a private citizen, this wouldn't matter one bit.
• 58:17
  It matters very much when you're talking about someone who has the ability to run the
• 58:20
  country.
• 58:22
  Do you think Michelle Obama was trans?
• 58:24
  No, I've never made that claim.
• 58:26
  Okay.
• 58:27
  Because people did.
• 58:28
  Yeah, I know people did, but there wasn't, I mean, there was no, it was just, she's trans.
• 58:32
  There were no documents.
• 58:33
  There was nothing.
• 58:34
  There was no, it's just like, she's a man, you know what I mean?
• 58:37
  And so that's not that, that to me feels foolish.
• 58:40
  If you're not going to, that, this piece that Xavier Poussard did was not that.
• 58:44
  Like I said, he had documents, he had pictures down to when she got the Adam's apple surgery
• 58:48
  and had to wear a scarf around her neck for an entire year.
• 58:51
  I mean, it's not, it's a, it's very thorough.
• 58:54
  And in my personal opinion, he should be winning a Pulitzer for this.
• 58:59
  And yet people won't even read the piece because the mainstream media tells them, I mean,
• 59:03
  not a single picture of you for the first 30 years of your life.
• 59:06
  You can't just produce a picture.
• 59:07
  Seems a bit strange.
• 59:08
  I mean, this is part of the, I mean, one of the challenges of, of this moment that we live in
• 59:13
  with the information ecosystem that we all inhabit is that it is very hard.
• 59:18
  I mean, much like you said, it's hard for a doctor to know every single reason
• 59:21
  or why every single drug is approved for every single ailment.
• 59:25
  And they just sort of have to, at some stage, take it on faith
• 59:27
  that that's what they learned in medical school.
• 59:29
  Similarly, there's a whole set of things that we sort of come into the world
• 59:33
  kind of having to take on faith.
• 59:35
  And if one regards it as one's job to dismantle every single thing
• 59:42
  that everybody is taking it on faith by sort of squirreling around
• 59:46
  and trying to find, trying to catch out things that seem inconsistent here
• 59:50
  or inconsistent there, I imagine it could be quite deranging
• 59:54
  just how many inconsistencies you could find.
• 59:57
  Like, to some extent, don't you sort of find what you're looking for
• 1:00:00
  and if you keep hunting for ways in which the mainstream narrative about everything
• 1:00:05
  is corrupt, it could sort of send you around the bend.
• 1:00:09
  No, I just think that that's not like a small inconsistency.
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  Like, whether you were born a man or a woman, I don't know, I feel like that.
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  And you're, but this isn't just the only thing, Candace.
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  I mean, we could play a bazillion clips or talk about a bazillion different
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  things that whether it's about 9.11 or about frankest or the Jews
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  or COVID epidemiology or vaccine medicine or online doxing
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  or transgenderism or World War II, there would be a number of things
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  that we could talk about where it strikes me that,
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  you know, with the greatest respect, it might be a little bit like the experience
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  you had initially with the social bullying thing where there's a whole ecosystem
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  that has its own internal rules and ways of operating.
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  You come in unaware of them.
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  I mean, you said at the beginning of this conversation that you were sort of blindsided
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  by the way that that whole doxing and harassment
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  game-a-gate ecosystem worked, you know, you proudly call things as you see them
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  to your credit because you're, you know, powerful and independent-minded,
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  but you're sort of unfamiliar with the soup that you're swimming in
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  and then the people who are familiar with it point out to you the ways
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  in which you're unfamiliar with it and the reasons why you're wrong
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  and you regard them as being conspiracy, you know, as imposing upon you speech codes and,
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  you know, harassment and then you get to sort of play the victim
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  when in actual fact it's just that you don't really know what you're talking about.
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  I don't think that's a fair assessment.
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  Regarding the World War II narrative, I just introduced a BBC and PBS documentary
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  that anybody is able to watch on the internet that was never introduced to me
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  that kind of snapped me into a different reality regarding how little I knew about World War II
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  having just received a public education. So if your suggestion here is that because I am at conflict
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  at all times with the mainstream narrative that that somehow indicates something problematic,
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  I just respectfully disagree. I think it could be a self-fulfilling trap.
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  No, I think it's possible that it could become a...
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  Well, I would just say that I think the reason that my podcast has been so big and has gotten
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  only bigger is because with time I've been proven right and a lot of those things that people
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  called me names for and if the conspiracy theorist quote-unquote keep getting it right,
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  then they're going to eventually gain an audience and I do not make claims without giving people
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  the resources to look something up themselves because I don't claim to know at all,
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  but I do know when I'm being lied to and the other thing is my willingness to debate anybody on
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  these topics. On the topic of COVID, I said... I do admire that. I mean, I admire it enormously.
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  Vaccines, I said if there's any pediatrician, nurse, doctor who disagrees with this,
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  you can come on my shows so we can talk about it. No one wants to. They want to call it crazy,
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  they say she's dangerous, she has influence, but if you're completely right and you're confident
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  that you're right and you're confident that these people are have it wrong and it's dangerous,
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  wouldn't you want to come on and someone's providing your platform to tell parents why they should
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  get vaccines, but you tend to find... I completely agree. I mean, I think the whole deep platforming
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  thing is... Yeah, I think the deep platforming thing is silly. I think people not talking to each
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  other is is ludicrous the only way that we're going to win hearts and minds and grow our way towards
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  collectively resolving the problems of the 21st century is by having civil conversations
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  about things. I know you have to go, so I want to let you go and I want to let you plug your
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  Australia tour, but you just said that there are some things, the reason why the podcast is
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  successful is because there are some things that you disagree with the mainstream establishment
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  on, which you've subsequently proven to be correct on. What are those things? Well, COVID would
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  probably be the biggest one. From day one, I was completely maimed in caricatured for because I
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  am I guess you as they call me anti-vax and I ended up being right. The Ukraine war is another one
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  where they were pretending it was going to be a little exercise and it was very obvious to me that
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  this was just going to become another black budget and God knows what we're doing over there.
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  And so I think I've earned my audience's trust over time and you know, I think that's fair game.
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  If the media is going to keep lying and censoring and telling them you get the vaccine and you won't
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  get COVID and I'm saying to them, hey, they're kind of getting everybody to get the vaccine and they
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  don't really know the answer on this, then people are going to start, you know, listening to me.
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  And yeah, I think I think that's fair and I think that that upsets a lot of people who
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  believe in their own authority because they want to whatever prestigious school and because they
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  work for whatever prestigious network, but faith has been lost in the mainstream narrative and
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  in the mainstream networks and it's not because of canna silence. It's because of the mainstream
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  narrative and the mainstream networks being so verifiably dishonest and disingenuous with everything.
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  Canna silence doesn't hurt. Canna silence doesn't hurt in the erosion of trust in mainstream institutions.
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  Yes, the mainstream, the legacy media has a lot to be blamed for. I mean, I left my public radio show
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  last year for exactly all of the reasons that you're talking about, but I think we in the independent
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  media ecosystem also have to be mindful of the impact that we can have on corroding people's
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  ability to figure out what is true and what is false. And to some extent, if you use the information
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  themselves and I always say don't trust people that won't have a conversation. And so with the
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  Australia thing, the first thing I did was I reached out to whatever Zionist lobby was saying if
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  they didn't want me to come and I invited them to come on stage. That's how I do things. If you
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  really believe and I'm this horrific and I've said these things, let's have a conversation.
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  And eventually that allows the public to see both sides and just to discern who's telling them
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  the truth and who's not. I've not yet been taken up on my offer, but I offer it still if there's
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  any group that believes that I've said anything hateful or have said anything that targeted,
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  whether it's a trans group, a Jewish group, a black group, I invite you to my events. As I say,
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  all my events, if you disagree with me, you will be allowed to ask a question first. I am not
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  afraid of a conversation because I'm only in this to make sure that people are getting both sides
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  and are able to make good decisions. I mean, I think the concern is that sometimes you're better
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  at political commentary than you are at historical research so that I want to get into a historical
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  research argument because they, for exactly the same reason that I find it difficult to
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  quibble over while Larry Silverstein took out insurance on the World Trade Towers a couple of
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  months before they fell. You can spend your entire life picking at the threads of conspiracy theories
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  and you can end up getting nowhere. But anyway, you and I aren't going to agree about that. Tell us
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  about the Australia tour. It was just two minutes. No, no, it all, I mean, the whole world
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  views through this prism. Yes, you do a lot of lifestyle stuff as well and I have enormous
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  admiration and respect for the amount that you're able to juggle and for the role model that you
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  are for young women and for your courage in being in pushing back and talking to people and being
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  open to debate people. But at the same time, I just think there's a lie. I really feel like there's
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  a liability that you have to be cautious of that you don't keep applying. You know, when you've got
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  a hammer, everything looks like a nail and when your hammer is like there's a big global conspiracy
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  that's being run by in a various cabal of people and we're being lied to, you're always going to
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  find nails all over the joint. That's all I would say. Yeah, that's well, I am also a Christian,
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  so that is quite a biblical perspective to have that the world is being run by dark principalities
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  and I do put my Christian faith first. And so a lot of that comes across in my podcast and I do
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  believe that there's dark principalities that are running the world. I do believe that we have
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  a global elite that are manufacturing a lot of stuff and that is my baseline assumption that
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  the Bible's got it right. So like I said, I'm not for everyone, but I do encourage debate and
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  discussion amongst people that also disagree with me. I'm just a godless haven. No, no. What can we expect
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  from the Australia tour? Well, where are you going to be and what are you going to be talking about
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  before that be? I'm going to be Adelaide. I'm going to be in Perth. I'm going to be in Sydney.
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  I think we have sold out a lot of tickets, but we do have some general admission left across all
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  of those cities. But people can expect us from you to share my stories, share how I got here,
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  share why I believe what I believe. And you should also expect that if you disagree with me,
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  I want you to come. I do not like to stay in a room and hear myself speak. I like to learn about
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  what people are going through, learn about what's on the heart and the minds of the Australian people
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  because there are such slight differences across different nations. And I am a very good listener
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  as much as I am a talker. I also am a very good listener. And so I really think that you will be
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  pleasantly surprised if you are at all believing the mainstream narrative about me. If you're reading
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  political articles about me, you will buzzfeed news. I know you love buzzfeed news articles
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  about me. I think you'll come here what I have to say. And you will be, you'll probably understand
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  why people enjoy my podcast because I just give people a permission to think that's really what
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  I'm in the business of. Do you have any message for the Australian government about the,
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  are you worried about the visa thing? Do you have a visa yet? I heard that there were some rumblings
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  about whether or not you get a visa. I don't have an easy ad, but people should be able to come
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  to Australia. So I think it's ridiculous that we should have a government making decisions
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  about who can and can't say what unless you're actually coming to ferment violence.
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  Then I think people should be allowed to come and exchange ideas, but do you have a message for
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  the immigration minister if he's listening? I do have a message for him. My message for him
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  would be to look at what's happening in America. We just, I was saying that you would never see
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  congressman speak out about banning visas in America because we believe so much in democracy
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  and free speech. And today in the news, I think about six of our congressman signed open letter asking
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  for Anthony Blinken to ban the visas. Listen to this to ban the visas of a Supreme Court justice
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  in Brazil because the Supreme Court justice in Brazil was banning speech. That is how pro free
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  speech we are that you will get your visa banned if your anti speech. So they said do not allow
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  them to travel the United States because we believe in democracy. And that is the model everyone should
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  have because as soon as you shut down speech or lie about speech, you know, that speech does,
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  first of all, it doesn't get more quiet, but it also signals that you are now having placed a
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  government that doesn't trust you that believes that you would show up and listen to a person on
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  stage speak celebrating Hitler, you know, like that means that your government has lost faith in you
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  as an individual and thinks that you need to be ruled over. And that's not the right message to send
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  to the Aussies. And so I hope that he will hear that and, you know, trust the Australians
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  to make decisions for themselves. And taking the example of the of the Brazilian case,
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  if a immigration minister ever wants to visit the United States again, he might not be welcome.
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  He might not be welcome. Candace, lovely to speak with you. Thanks for your time. Have a great
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  time in Australia. It was so lovely speaking to you. Thank you for having me.