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World of Outlaws CEO Brian Carter Addresses Tire Doping Scandal · Kenny Wallace Media

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OK, deep breath everybody. Kind of emergency press
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conference. Excited to have the CEO of the
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World Racing Group, Mr. Brian Carter.
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Brian is the boss of the World of Outlaw Late Models.
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Brian, welcome to Kenny Conversation.
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Thank you so much I the bosses also gets blamed for everything
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too. So that's my title.
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I get blamed for all of this. So well, you, you know, just
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quickly the teacher is always in trouble at school because the
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teacher is the bad person, the police are the bad people.
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But Brian, I'll just say this, we either have rules or we
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don't. And you know with social media,
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that's what keeps us alive here nowadays.
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Sometimes we wish it would leave.
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But in reality it's created a whole new business and I don't
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want to be long winded and I'm not going to be.
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Let's start out like this. In February at Volusia, one of
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the granddaddy events of them all, Bobby Pierce, Devin Moran
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and Cal Bronson had tire samples taken after the races and their
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their tire samples came back maybe a month ago.
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That race happened just lately. Yesterday you announced that
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those tire samples were not right.
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Now I just want you to start out because everybody is just
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listening to what you have to say right now.
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Well they form their own conclusions too.
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We'll give them that too. So yeah it's it takes longer
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than we want to. I I really want to know the
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winner at the end of the night. Sometimes you have to do this
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and you deliberate over it and and when you get when you get
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the samples come back good you don't have a delay but when you
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have them bad then there's a second and third step of the
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process that takes some time because you you want some time
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between that too. So it's a it's a time consuming
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process that that that's required.
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If you don't have rules chaos ensues So you've got to get you
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got to get this thing nailed down So yeah it takes a little
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while when you have a you know people are are trying to figure
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out why I want to understand why too you know so it's it's it the
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tire doesn't meet the benchmark tire doesn't meet the benchmark.
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We go through our process. It's been we've been evolving
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that process over the last 20 years and it's been really honed
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in to kind of what what works for us and works for the sport
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as the best we can. You know, that's all I can do is
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the best I can do So. But people like to discredit our
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process, they like to discredit the labs, they like to find a
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hole in the system because they can't believe that any of this
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stuff would happen. But hell, I know that people
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that sell this crap are walking around the pit, are in Volusia
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and making claims about it being undetectable and all the other
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stuff too. So you know it's it's a it's a
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hard game we play and and it comes, you know it.
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It unfortunately makes my job hard.
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On some days it's really easy to do the right thing.
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But it's that you know people wonder are you testing if you
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just take a second sample, they're forming their own
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conclusions. So of course we took a second
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and a third sample and we tested all of them.
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We only test the first one. If they're if they're bad, we
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test the second one. We confirm that it's bad and and
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have a better idea of what the chemicals are and then we send
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secondarily the third one in case anything's lost in the
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mail. We send it to the lab and we
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test that one too. And when it confirms what the
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second one is, you know the tire doesn't meet the benchmark.
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You know, I get a lot of questions about I've got a lot
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of questions and some friendly emails and some not so friendly
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emails the last couple days. A lot of people telling us thank
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you for doing your job, a lot of people for saying we don't
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understand how this could happen and you know, unfortunately it
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happens and the process is the process.
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So, but the third sample was tested and it came back bad and
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it makes us do our job. OK.
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So let me throw some darts at you that way.
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I've done my job and then we're going to move on and talk about
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how we move on. So this conversation is going to
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be very productive. It's going to be positive.
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But let me throw the darts at you.
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All the fans want to know this. OK, if you've taken the tire
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sample, how come you don't get another tire sample?
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That's Now I'm going to ask you about four things to calm
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everything down. So you you got three tests done,
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is what you said in AB and C Why don't you get another tire
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sample? Why don't you get another
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opinion? So how do we answer that?
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Well that that's interesting. The the assumption is, is I
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don't we actually do, we don't do it on the competition tire
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that's been tested, but we test our lab on a regular basis.
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We test other labs too just to kind of see.
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So we over the course of time we've tested the other labs,
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we've tested our lab and candidly you know we're a House
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of racers when you talk about inside World Racing Group, I've
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got a Hall of Famer, late model racer, I've got crew chiefs on
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the late model side. I've got guys that race midgets
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actively. I've got guys that race stock
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cars and go karts and St. carts. So it's we're not dummies.
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We know where to get this stuff. We know it's being done.
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We know how to do it. So the idea of us not knowing
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what's out there and doing our own testing with what's out
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there in the very. I mean, God knows we have all
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heard simple green makes this stuff go off.
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Well, we've, you know, we've sent tires that have been damn
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near soaked in simple green to our lab too.
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So we know exactly what all of these pieces look like.
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And we actually test our lab, not even from a World Racing
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Group address. We do this stuff.
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So the idea of us, you know, I'm resting my, my, my reputation on
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the lab's ability to see what we asked them to see.
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So, you know, we do test. We have sent samples to other
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labs to do that on the tire in questions.
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Kind of like asking mom for an answer and then asking dad for
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an answer. Which one do you like better?
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Then I get to make a decision. I, I, I candidly want black and
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white in this scenario. And the science doesn't lie that
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that's the piece. I don't know how these happened.
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If anybody, you know, it's like, do you?
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Anybody thinks I want to have the day I've had the last couple
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days, they're out of their mind. To think that I'm personally
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persecuting somebody, particularly our past champion
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or current points leader, they're out of their mind.
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So it's it's a, it's a it's a task.
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But we do know we, I do have racers here.
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We know how to do this stuff. We know how to we know what
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tires look like when they get doped in.
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And candidly, my lab has never missed a result.
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Whether we send in good tires, we send in simple green tires,
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we send in some half soaked undetectable tire stuff, or the
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real bad stuff they haven't missed yet.
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OK, I have. To hang my head on that.
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No, no one. Wonderful.
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And thank you so much. This is difficult on everybody.
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I wanted to do it because, excuse me, this needs to be de
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bullshitting completely because this tower tampering has gone on
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far too long. I guess it's a good soap opera.
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If people like a soap opera, that's fine.
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What I find Brian is that I'm running second and the
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competitors rat each other out and so and so's doping his
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tires. So now I'm going to dope my
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tires. So it's a stair step situation.
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I've heard this before. It's been told me Herman, you
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better dope your tires because you're getting out run by it
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like they're a smart ass. Like look, I don't have time to
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do that. I'm running 7080 races a year,
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OK? So I wanted to give that
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comment. I'm going to ask you another
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question now. All these are questions that
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have gone on for years, OK. The tire on the car ran through
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some oil on the racetrack. It was contaminated.
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Talk about that. Well, we know what oil looks
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like in a tire sample. I mean, it's not hard to see,
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you know, So we ran through IT. People are in front of us.
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We're tire tests. You know, we're doping their
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tires. We ran through that, you know we
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when we take the tire samples, we take from three different
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spots on the on the race tire, we tell the teams you know.
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Stop right there. Stop right there.
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I got to interrupt you. That's the number one thing.
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Say that one more time, three different spots on the tires.
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Three different spots on the tires.
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So each AB and C sample coming from three different spots on
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this race tire and the the you know the I, you know we've the
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the team brings a grooving iron and the tire to the trailer.
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They take it. They put it in the vial.
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I mean this is all stuff. I mean I've been sued for
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millions of dollars for this process.
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So we've been defending this trying to maintain the integrity
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of the sport for a long time. But yes, the teams bring their
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groove and iron in their tire into our trailer.
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They they we tell them where we want these samples and parts of
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the tire and and we know that people are freaking doing some
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blocks and not doing other blocks.
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So it's like it's insane how some of this stuff is happening.
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I. I got to stop you right there.
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I want people to I'm bad at repeating because I don't think
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people here. You said that in the past you've
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been sued for millions of dollars, but here you are,
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you're going at it again because you have to keep rules.
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Either you have rules or you don't.
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So you've been sued in the past and you're still digging and
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you're making it as good as you can?
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That's as good as doing the best we can with this.
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So it's, you know, trying to eliminate all of the variables
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'cause I don't want true, I want fact and true.
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Deal with that. I don't want hearsay.
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Bullshit. Whatever you you know you called
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it bullshit. It's.
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Like bullshit. Now that's the hard part.
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So the the teams know what they're doing.
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We do it the best we can. We bring the tires in, they're
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getting tested. They know which ones we they
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bring it in. We'd say we want a sample from
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here and a sample from there and a sample from here.
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Put them in the vial, mark it out, and then from there it
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becomes a number on a bag. The teams don't the, you know,
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if, well, the lab's out, we get somebody bullshit.
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The lab's not out to get anybody.
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They don't even know who the team is until the penalty
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report, even if the lab looked at the penalty report.
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So it's like that, you know, that that myth can be debunked
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too. It's like we we we're doing the
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best we know how to do in a way that is consistent and
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repeatable through the process. And that's what we do.
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OK, so this is great because we're getting through all this.
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This is everything that everybody wants to know,
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specifically the fans. OK, how in the world can our
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greatest driver, Bobby Pierce? I mean, Devin Moran is
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incredible. So is Kyle Bronson.
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The fans just cannot believe this.
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What you say to them. They're they're heartbroken.
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How can Bobby Pierce do this? I'm heartbroken too.
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I mean, I'm heartbroken too. I mean, this is this is these I
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I stand on the track and and and and have fun with these guys.
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I don't want it. The last thing I wanted was this
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to happen, but I got to stand on it.
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I can't have a decision based on who I got caught.
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As soon as I do that now, I've got favorites and bias inside
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the group. I've said it even in the kinser
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days, I don't care what color that race car is.
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Once it pulls in the pit area, I can't.
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Otherwise, in my bias, it becomes favoritism.
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And favoritism is not what any of our fans will ever put up
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with. So I I get that.
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So the idea of us, you know this is heartbreaking for me too.
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I don't want I don't want people to question and and if you guys
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knew the principal's up at Blue Ridge they freaking lose sleep
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over this too. Because I pay them 10s of
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thousands of dollars to find a bad tire and they last thing
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they want to do is find 1. So it's like it is you know, I
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it's it's it's a process that hurts all of us.
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What I want to do is drive this shit out of our sport.
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Right, right, right. Because it's dumb, you know?
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And it starts with. It starts with the guy.
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You're getting beat by it. Oh, gosh, I'm going to panic.
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I better do it. That's the way it starts.
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So let's go right there. All right.
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You go to the Dome race down here in Saint Louis, OK.
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It's a wonderful event. And.
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And there's a vendor, and he's selling this stuff.
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And you're like, I can't. I can't.
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I can't believe what I'm looking at Now.
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You just said earlier you're well aware of all this.
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Does your company, do you go out secretly and buy all this stuff?
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Tell me that process. Yeah, we have.
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I've got plenty of plenty of people that'll provide that to
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us if we want to. And yes, I've bought some myself
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so that we can test it. So it's.
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Not this is a manufacturer not freaking 40 miles from Volusia
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in the land. Yeah, so, So the tracks are
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slimy down there. They're all trying to get grip,
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and that's big tires, soaking capital of the world.
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We all know that. And once again, we're trying to
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get to the bottom of this because this hurts our sport.
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The fans cannot believe it. All right, the next thing, now
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we we've addressed the AB and C everybody's heard you use your
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grooving arm, you cut 3 sections out.
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The names are not on it. It's just a code #3, different
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tests. Yeah.
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I mean, so now the next question is this, what is the
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miscommunication out there? What is your social Media Group
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reporting back to you that people have wrong?
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Well, they believe that there's some conspiracy that we're out
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to persecute our champion. That's stupid.
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Sorry, I I'm not calling a particular one person stupid,
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but the idea of us trying to deface, you know, to persecute
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our champion or our leading points leader or one of the fan
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favorites is ridiculous. That's that's absolutely
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ridiculous. Secondarily, they're challenging
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chemistry. I mean, we are, you know, this
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mass spectrometer does not lie. There's no judgement.
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It is this is the this is the chart, this is the chemicals,
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and this is the this is the science.
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The idea that that decision's being made with bias is
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ridiculous. That's the part that's just
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that. That part that's.
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And then they they they try to knock down the credibility
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because they don't understand, you know, they they they have
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this preconceived notion about sanctioning bodies, using labs
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or having relationships. I just choose not to have two
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answers. I don't need 2 answers.
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I can test to make sure that I trust my answer, but I don't
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need 2 answers in a decision we got to make.
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And that's the piece where where you know they they're trying to
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knock down the credibility because it can't be that it was
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in the pit area. When I know the vendors are
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sitting and they're selling it, it can't possibly be that my
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favorite driver did it. I don't know who did it, but
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it's my responsibility to make sure that the rule book is
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followed and the rule book has that the tires have to match the
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benchmark. Then there's there's things
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about did Hoosier provide the right benchmark and did Hoosier
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provide this and then there's there's tires.
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Did you run over something on the racetrack?
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It's like the idea of doing all that and then coming up with you
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know we tested 67 modified and late mileage tires alone and.
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This, this is important. I want everybody to hear this.
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That was the next big one. You tested 67 tires and only
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three. OK, talk loud and clear on this
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one. Yeah, that's that's the piece
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that you know it's like it's not like we had tested three and got
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three. We actually had that happen one
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year with the spring car tires. We tested 6 and got three.
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This is back when we were running some non wing stuff at
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Volusia. We're still running non wing
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stuff but it's it. We got three out of six but we
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didn't get any other bad ones the rest of the season.
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So it's like I still I I felt bad about that but I felt
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confident in what we found and and we had to do those those
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penalties wasn't that long ago so this three out of 67 it's not
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a pervasive problem. So it's back to what's the
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solution. I'm not.
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It's hard to to make the entire industry suffer for less than 1%
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or or in this particular model. It's a little bit more than that
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for the tires we tested. But by the time you had the
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Sprint cars and the big blocks and the 360 Show and Sunshine
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National and all those tests, it's really about 1%.
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So 1% bad really don't need to make the whole industry
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miserable for 1%. What we need to do is continue
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to drive out this thought process of having to dope tires.
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You need everybody to be serious about it.
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Yes, I agree. OK.
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One more thing before we we move forward.
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Have you tried to trick Blue Ridge Labs before?
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Have you like, here, test this, Test this.
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And I mean, you're you're telling me that you've done your
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own due diligence with them? And every, every we do it.
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We did it as frequently as this year before the season started.
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And you you you, you find a baseline and you find that
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they're accurate every time. And they have been 100% accurate
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every single time. And and have on purpose.
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Have you soaked some tires on purpose?
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I. Mean we have tried everything
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we've done I told you we've done we've done from the low end
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range from the spray on stuff that's undetectable is if it
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affects the composition of the tire.
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Chances are it's detectable. That's the that's the bull,
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that's the that's the lie. It's either it's undetectable
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and effects of performance. Chances are it can't do both.
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It's either it it may not be a detectable, but it's surely not
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going to help you on the racetrack.
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But people use that stuff all the time thinking that that some
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concept is going to work and doesn't go.
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You don't go any faster may think you do, but you don't.
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Or if it does affect the competition, chances are it's
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going to affect that tire long enough to be a detectable.
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So I like to ask the questions over so Charlie can edit them
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because a lot of people aren't going to listen to this full
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deal. So what I want to know is when
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when you go about this and you know that you're getting ready
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to suspend the greatest driver of our era, Bobby Pierce, the
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Pierce family, just talk about, do you lose sleep at night?
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You lose a lot of sleep. I mean, you want to make sure
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that you are accurate as you can be.
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Have we thought about everything?
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Have we thought about all of the pieces And the fact of the
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matter is is yes. We lose sleep.
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I lose sleep, Steve. Lose sleep.
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The lab loses sleep. You know these these things when
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they escalate to this level instead and you have to keep it
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pretty close. But anybody who is aware or
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involved with this it it was a serious deliberation.
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It's we take this serious that's what it is.
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We take this serious and anything that has a, this has a,
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it's going to have a negative effect on my business.
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I've already got plenty of threats about them dropping my
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dear vision subscription. I'm dropping my dear vision.
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You know, that's the cost short term to make long term
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integrity, long term investments in the sport.
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You know what? I have to give that up.
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I'm not trading money for that. I'm not trading money for my
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what's right. So I was told by a dear friend
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that at the driver's meeting at Volusia you stood up in front of
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everybody and you said gentlemen, and I'm just going to
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paraphrase this, you, you stood up and said, gentlemen don't
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even start this year, don't tamper with your tires.
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Is that true? It's true, and I might have used
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some profanity. OK, so so it's true.
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My friend. My friend is a is a very good
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friend. What made you do that?
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Because at that point, not only had the chemical pieces been.
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Rumored Now we're playing with cold soaking and heat soaking
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tires and you know, flashing them to create another heat
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cycle. I'm like, guys, this is
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ridiculous. What are we doing?
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That's really my my comments and that was don't do this.
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This is stupid. And I'd already been even as
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early as sunshine told everybody that we were serious about
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testing the chemical part of the tires.
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Then I heard that we're not only doing this, but we're trying to
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create an extra heat cycle and we're trying to create, you
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know, preserving something inside the tire by playing with
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swimming pools and ice and heats up and like bullshit, stop this
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stuff. And I might have told him to F
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around and find out. I mean, it's like, this is not
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something I want in our sport. What it does is it drives away
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all the teams that can't afford to have a tire guy all week prep
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25 tires. It takes enough just to grind
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inside and groove them, much less trying to we figuring out
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if we're putting something in them or not.
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Yeah, it it, it. I'm just thinking to myself all
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the years that I've raced in Asphalt and I know how different
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it is than dirt. I I probably run more dirt races
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now than I've ever run asphalt. And I'm thinking to myself, my
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wife will say to me, when are you going to be home?
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I said, honey, I'm on. I'm I'm still grinding.
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I'm grooving. I'm siping and in my mind I
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can't imagine now soaking them or or treating them.
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Brian, in your opinion, why don't, why do people do this?
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Why do they, I mean, I know I want to hear from you.
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Why do people treat their tires? Because they want to go fast.
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We're all racers, right? I even said my whole company is
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is passionate about racing. They, you know you have some
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spurts where the the teams outrun you and then you try to
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catch up to them and the teams outrun you and try to catch up
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to them and they're so they just want to go fast.
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They want to be. They want to win.
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And and you're getting beat by it.
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You're getting beat by you gotta do it.
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So, you know, a lot of the, a lot of it is just about that.
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I mean, you know, I can't. I've had these, I've had
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arguments with discussions, whatever you wanna call them
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with racers for a long time, for 20 years and you don't, you
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know, they want they succeed by preserving their own
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self-interest. I get it.
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I mean I get it. Everybody wants to win.
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They want more and they want to do it fast and they want to do
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it now and all of those things. It's hard.
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So there's periods of time where they outrun us, they beat us,
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they snookered us for a little bit, then I catch up, and then
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they snookered us for something else, and then I catch up.
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I mean, it goes back to even the spring that's inside the rod,
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that's holding up the so that the drip works out good until
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you step on the wheel. And now the tire sinks because
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there's something in there that holds it up at 75 lbs.
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But at 100 lbs when you're driving down the racetrack, the
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doop doesn't work. So they outrun us a little bit.
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This is one of those things I think maybe they were they were
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playing with some stuff and we they outran us for a little bit
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on some of this stuff, but the undetectable stuff is detectable
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guys. That's what it comes down to.
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Yeah, the very the very last thing is why does it take so
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long to find this out? Well, I gave you the the mass
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quantity of of tires. We were aggressive.
23:08
We took qualifying tires, we took some heat race tires, we
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took some feature tires and we got sprints and and big locks
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and late models and modifieds and 100 modifieds.
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And so we're testing all this stuff and then we stack it all
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at the lab. So it it takes a little bit of
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time. I want it to be real time and
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right away, but you can't. Sometimes you can't do the math
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and the and the science. OK.
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Now this is where I respectfully talk to you about moving
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forward. We're done.
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You've answered everything. I appreciate it for everybody
23:38
out there watching this. He answered everything.
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If you're just going to dream up things, I can't.
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I can't help that. He answered everything.
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He really did OK NASCAR made a mistake three years ago.
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They tried so hard. They said OK, inspection's over.
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After the race, William Byron's your winner.
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Then they said, well, not yet. We're going to take the car back
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and on Wednesday we're going to, we're going to inspect the car
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and I'm like, OK, you're going to announce the real winner on
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Wednesday after inspection. So what?
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This is the problem I have with the whole situation.
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Number one, I want tire. I want truck tire treating gone
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because it's stupid. It's an embarrassment.
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What do we got to do? So at eleven, 12:00 at night,
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that's the winner and we know that's the winner and that
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winner can never be taken back. That's what I want to know and I
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want to give you my idea. I apologize for being a long
24:44
winded. I want there to be a talk.
24:49
I want to, I want to debate close, closed door debate with
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car owners, crew chiefs, drivers.
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The World of Outlaws comes to your local track and everybody's
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in and parked. Bring your right rear tire,
25:07
brand new with the titties on them.
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Bring them to the impound area. They come to the impound area to
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your office and somehow we allow you to go back to your trailer
25:19
with them and in 45 minutes at right rear tire, that tire
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somehow, and this has got to be talked about, has got to get
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back and that is your right rear feature tire.
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Now the reason I am asking for something like this could be
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tweaked, could be tweaked because when the race is over we
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know that's the winner. Just talk about that talk a
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little bit. So initially I'm we've tried
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compound, we've tried quarantining tires.
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A lot of the benefits of tire treatment right now are getting
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it earlier in the night. You know you're stacking up into
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a 60 car field, you qualify. 3rd or 4th is different than if you
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qualified 15th or 16th, so you can't.
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So it's not just a feature tire. And one of our tires wasn't a
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feature tire problem. So you gotta you have a one of
26:11
the tires wasn't a feature tire. That oh that's that's that's
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breaking news in the garage area one of the say that again.
26:19
One of the tires was not a featured tire, it was a
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qualifying tire. Makes sense, right?
26:23
It makes sense. See, now you talk about starting
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three or four rows further forward in a heat race in A10.
26:32
Car Heat Ray Streetcars qualify. It's a big deal.
26:35
It's a big deal. So you know there's that's the
26:38
first thing. So you might address the the
26:43
feature tire problem, but may not may not catch the the the
26:50
qualifying tire problem. The other thing is, is that a
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lot of these things that are being tried right now that are
26:56
undetectable that are are more in the more volatile chemical
26:59
range, meaning it can be effective by being sprayed on
27:03
and then dissipate over time very quickly.
27:07
So the idea that you need to go spend all this time soaking
27:11
tires is not necessarily truth anymore.
27:16
You can, you can actually create an A competitive advantage with
27:19
some products that are just sprayed on the tire and then
27:22
theoretically dissipate in a short amount of time.
27:27
Our chemical tests pick that stuff up too.
27:30
Even after a couple of weeks, it still finds those.
27:33
Our chemical tests, our lab is still able to find those.
27:36
We know exactly we that was one of those things when we tried to
27:38
trick our, you know tried to test our tire testing and we we
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found the spray chemical even weeks after it was applied.
27:46
So it's it's hard the we did, we did quarantine tires.
27:52
We make tires available only at the racetrack for some bigger
27:54
paying shows somewhere you can afford that kind of piece.
27:57
But it does create a disadvantage for the teams that
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don't have the ability to do a lot of that stuff at the
28:03
racetrack. A lot of this, a lot of the
28:05
teams have to show up and race with what they have and they
28:07
kind of predetermined what that was.
28:10
You can, you can, you can make an argument for any of these
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things. My first argument with you would
28:14
be, damn, we sure shouldn't be being done at 11 or midnight.
28:17
I want to be done at 9:00. And I and I and I was giving you
28:22
a little leeway. I know you were but no no No 10
28:25
primary feature done by ten 10:30 we're that's that's my
28:28
goal but but I want to and if you look we have done that on
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every other aspect of we try to we do the droop before we do the
28:38
Victory Lane. We do the scaling we've done all
28:41
the pre tech especially on the late models we've done pre tech
28:44
on the Sprint cars. So really the only variable left
28:47
is the scale the droop and the tire and hope thank goodness
28:53
right now it's still less than 1%.
28:55
My goal is to make it 0% chance that the tire is going to throw
28:59
somebody out but I can't do this on my own.
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I can't do this as on my own series I got to have this
29:05
supported by the industry and and if they don't support me
29:09
then I'm going to be out here on an island and fighting my battle
29:11
and and continuing to do that. That's my commitment to the
29:14
sport, continuing to do that and then then pick where you race,
29:18
which which you know how you want to race it.
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All right. Let's wrap it up a little bit.
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I want to thank you so much. It's been 30 minutes.
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And what's the final thing you say that I hear my friends go,
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it's undetectable. They can't find it.
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Now you just said it, but I want to ask the question I heard.
29:37
I heard what you said, but what do you tell all the Tower
29:40
Soakers that say they can't, they cannot detect it?
29:45
I'd say the exact thing that you said.
29:47
Bullshit. I love it.
29:50
OK You know that I'm dear friends with Bobby Pierce.
29:56
Gary Saintsen sponsors his car. Low voltage.
30:00
I admire the Moran family. Donnie Moran, the $1,000,000
30:05
man, his boy. Now, Devon, you know Kyle
30:09
Bronson. My friendship is with those guys
30:13
and where I come in is I love the sport so much, you know that
30:20
it reminds me of when I was doing NASCAR Victory Lane with
30:25
Tony Stewart and Tony just bought Eldora and Tony won the
30:30
Richmond night race and Tony's all happy he wanted.
30:34
And I said, hey, I think it was why somebody.
30:37
I said somebody, you know, so and so won, but they were light
30:41
at the scales. I thought Tony Stewart got so
30:46
mad because the integrity of the winner of that race at Eldora
30:52
got tainted because the guy was light at the scales.
30:55
It wasn't bloomer, it was somebody else.
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So I see how this hurts the industry.
31:04
I see it. You got these people over here,
31:06
they don't tech enough. You got these people over here.
31:09
Let them soak their tires. And I'm in the middle going make
31:12
your mind up. And I want to thank you for
31:15
being the bad police. I'm sorry what you have to go
31:19
through. I don't want your job.
31:21
And and Brian, thank you so much for addressing this.
31:26
Well, I appreciate it. I'm really blessed to get to do
31:28
what I do, You know, I think there'd be more people angry
31:31
with me if they knew that I found three bad tires and didn't
31:33
do anything about it. Oh, no, that's it.
31:35
That's it, 'cause that that would be the controversy at hand
31:39
is that you're the Mafia, you know, so we know you're not.
31:43
Your heart's in the right place. I can tell that I've told my
31:46
truth here. I've told everybody I'm friends
31:48
with every one of those drivers that, you know, I had tire
31:51
samples and, you know, I'm friends with you.
31:53
But, you know, it's it's been business, friendship.
31:56
I'm friends with Mike Hilton. I'm friends with Ben Kennedy.
31:59
I'm going to have Ben Kennedy on here next week, but it's a
32:03
working relationship and I'm mature enough to know that I
32:06
don't got to hate you. All I got to do is respect you
32:10
and thank you for coming on here.
32:12
I appreciate you spreading the word.
32:14
Hello to all those race fans. See you next time at the
32:17
racetrack. Come by and if you see me, stop
32:19
me. Say hi.
32:20
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32:30
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32:34
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32:38
she's coming on and so did Kyle Busch.
32:41
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32:44
Until next time, we'll see y'all later.