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  Speaker 1: Once in a lifetime, generally said in relation to an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity or event. This is a phrase that calls to
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  Speaker 1: attention the rare and unique events which come only once
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  Speaker 1: in our entire span of existence on the Earth. Examples
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  Speaker 1: could be having your first kid, attending a long awaited
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  Speaker 1: music festival that happens to have a lineup from all
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  Speaker 1: your favorite bands, or even something like graduating from high school.
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  Speaker 1: Others could be smaller, such as receiving a job offer
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  Speaker 1: of unparalleled advantage, writing your first piece of music, or
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  Speaker 1: finishing your first creative project as part of a new hobby.
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  Speaker 1: Others could be on a cosmic scale, like seeing a
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  Speaker 1: comet that visits the Earth only once every three hundred years,
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  Speaker 1: watching the northern lights coast over the skies of the
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  Speaker 1: Lower Us, or seeing a solar eclipse in all its glory,
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  Speaker 1: reach totality right over your front doorstep. These are all
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  Speaker 1: magnificent occurrences, things that people will only see truly once
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  Speaker 1: in a lifetime. These events come and pass in a moment,
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  Speaker 1: with that brief window of time being all they have
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  Speaker 1: to chair perish the event before it passes, leaving you
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  Speaker 1: with just the memory. When people say once in a lifetime.
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  Speaker 1: They generally mean an experience, opportunity, or event that's positive.
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  Speaker 1: It evokes a sense of awe and wonder, leaving a
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  Speaker 1: lasting memory that one can only look back on through
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  Speaker 1: photographs or dreams. But what if the phrase wasn't so positive.
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  Speaker 1: What if instead of the memory of seeing the solar
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  Speaker 1: eclipse above your home, you carried the memory of something
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  Speaker 1: so horrible that it shook you to the bone to
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  Speaker 1: recall it. What if, instead of hoping the event came again,
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  Speaker 1: you hope that you'd never see its likes again, so
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  Speaker 1: as long as you live. The older generation in Houston,
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  Speaker 1: Texas certainly knows this feeling. The event with which they
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  Speaker 1: had a front row seat was certainly once in a lifetime,
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  Speaker 1: but just is certainly not in the way that the
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  Speaker 1: phrase is meant to be interpreted. In their own hometown,
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  Speaker 1: something was discovered that proved to be vile and horrific,
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  Speaker 1: something that shatters hearts and boggles the mind. It was
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  Speaker 1: a crime so terrible, so disgusting, that it was truly
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  Speaker 1: once in a lifetime. This crime referred to today as
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  Speaker 1: the Houston mass carried out by a shadowy figure and
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  Speaker 1: his two accomplices. The tenebris figure was Dean Coral, whose
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  Speaker 1: crimes and methods owned him the sobriquette of the Candyman.
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  Speaker 1: Dean Coral, the Candyman in Houston, Texas, is one of
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  Speaker 1: America's most forgotten. He was one of America's first and
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  Speaker 1: carried out a crime spree known as the Houston mass
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  Speaker 1: But Dean Coral didn't act alone. Now, Dean Coral had
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  Speaker 1: two accomplices, at least two known accomplices, but in reality,
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  Speaker 1: Dean Coral was plugged into a and snuff film producing network,
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  Speaker 1: a network that spanned the entire United States of America
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  Speaker 1: and potentially even the world. You see, Dean Coral was
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  Speaker 1: kind of like the enforcer, the butcher for the ring.
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  Speaker 1: He had the grim task of the children while others
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  Speaker 1: took photos of the kids being and potentially even after death.
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  Speaker 1: These films in photos that were produced of this were
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  Speaker 1: then sold into a network and distributed all across the
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  Speaker 1: US and like I said, potentially the world. Coral was
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  Speaker 1: like the star and the films that this ring produced
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  Speaker 1: and his co stars never made it out alive. In
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  Speaker 1: today's video, we're exposing this for what it was and
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  Speaker 1: teaching you hidden knowledge that the government doesn't want you
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  Speaker 1: to see or learn. And this is the third part
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  Speaker 1: in our three part series about the John David Norman,
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  Speaker 1: his connections to multiple other networks, to the John Wayne Gacy,
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  Speaker 1: and ultimately, in this final installment, examining his connection to
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  Speaker 1: the Candy Man. Now, I'd recommend you watched the two
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  Speaker 1: videos before this one, but it doesn't matter. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to go over a history of both of these figures
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  Speaker 1: in this video as well, So don't feel the need
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  Speaker 1: to click off and go watch something else because we're
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  Speaker 1: going extremely deep today. And I plead if you are
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  Speaker 1: coming across this video, if this video reaches you on YouTube,
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  Speaker 1: please watch it. It's incredibly important that we learn this
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  Speaker 1: history and we help completely rewrite these narratives that we're
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  Speaker 1: written in the sixties, seventies, eighties that have never been questioned.
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  Speaker 1: But I guarantee you, I can guarantee you with one
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent certainty that after you watch this video, you
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  Speaker 1: will not believe that the Candyman worked alone. You will
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  Speaker 1: not believe that John Wayne Gacy worked alone, and you
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  Speaker 1: will understand that there was a massive snuff film production
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  Speaker 1: production network that existed here in America. That has never
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  Speaker 1: been acknowledged by the United States authorities. Anyways, y'all, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for joining us today. If you want to see
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  Speaker 1: where we got the information for today's episode, please check
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  Speaker 1: out the resources document in the description of the show.
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  Speaker 1: All parties are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts. With all that said, let's do a deep dive.
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  Speaker 1: John Wayne Gacy, the Killer Clown. May seem like a
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  Speaker 1: story so horrific that it had to be an isolated case,
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  Speaker 1: it had to be a one off. It may seem
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  Speaker 1: like a freak act of nature that could really only
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  Speaker 1: happen once, like a sickening nightmare that sticks with you
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  Speaker 1: yet never plays out in your dreams ever again. Yet, sadly,
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  Speaker 1: unbeknownst to many here in America, John Wayne Gacy was
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  Speaker 1: not a lone case, and for many young men and
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  Speaker 1: boys in Houston, Texas, this nightmare would be their last.
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  Speaker 1: It was the early nineteen seventies, years before John Wayne
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  Speaker 1: Gacy was exposed, when another would emerge from the shadows,
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  Speaker 1: operating at around the same time that Gasey began his
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  Speaker 1: dark rampage. Dean Arnold Coral born on Christmas Eve nineteen
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  Speaker 1: thirty nine in Fort Wayne, Indiana, was yet another figure
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  Speaker 1: that most people found unimposing. He was, similar to John
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  Speaker 1: Wayne Gacy, a harmless looking person, a man who garnered
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  Speaker 1: no significant aura of fear. Most people don't know his name,
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  Speaker 1: even many who are interested in the world of true crime.
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  Speaker 1: I had studied in these sorts of sprees and crimes
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  Speaker 1: for years before I came across the story of Dean Coral.
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  Speaker 1: But once you learn the story, it's a story you
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  Speaker 1: will never forget. But even if Coral's name is lesser known,
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  Speaker 1: the name of his crime spree is forever etched into
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  Speaker 1: the history of Texas and America, the Houston mass and
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  Speaker 1: Dean Coral himself is best known as his moniker, the Candyman,
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  Speaker 1: because before he was known for his serial, he was
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  Speaker 1: known as a candy maker. But what's most interesting to
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  Speaker 1: me about Dean Coral is the fact that if one
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  Speaker 1: of his accomplices the teenage elmer Wayne Henley. Hadn't talked
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  Speaker 1: to the police, we more than likely would have never
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  Speaker 1: heard of the man, nor his second accomplice, teenager David
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  Speaker 1: Owen Brooks. But how if Dean Correl had so many
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  Speaker 1: people did he managed to escape suspicions? Well, Dean Coral
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  Speaker 1: was a rather unknown, unassuming figure, someone who didn't stand
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  Speaker 1: out from a crowd. Unlike John Wayne Gacy, the killer clown,
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  Speaker 1: who was well known in his community, someone who people recognized,
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  Speaker 1: Dean Coral was a rather distant character. So how did
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  Speaker 1: all this happen? How did a little known candy maker
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  Speaker 1: become a cold blooded cereal and how did he lure
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  Speaker 1: two young men into participating in his crimes. Well, Dean
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  Speaker 1: Coral's life is far less documented than that of other
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  Speaker 1: figures like Gaysey. Most of what we know about him
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  Speaker 1: comes from secondhand resources, like his accomplices and his family.
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  Speaker 1: As a result, it's hard to say why Dean Coral
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  Speaker 1: became a It is hard to know when his lust
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  Speaker 1: for blood began, and it's impossible to know his inner
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  Speaker 1: thoughts about all the The biggest reason for all of this, sadly,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, is that Dean Coral was never captured
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  Speaker 1: and interviewed about his Like Gaysey, was Dean Coral the Candyman,
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  Speaker 1: was before where his crimes were even discovered. What we
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  Speaker 1: do know is relatively bare bones, but there is still
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  Speaker 1: a significant record of his life found in local papers
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  Speaker 1: and testimonies from his family. Dean Arnold Coral had a
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  Speaker 1: difficult childhood. His parents were divorced when he was young,
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  Speaker 1: and though they would try to reconcile some years into
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  Speaker 1: his life, they would remain apart. He was six years
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  Speaker 1: old when his parents parted ways. His father, Arnold left
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  Speaker 1: the picture and his mother, Mary raised both Dean and
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  Speaker 1: his little brother Stanley. The parents attempted a reconciliation in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen fifty when the family moved to Houston, Texas, but
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  Speaker 1: it was short lived and the two parted ways for
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  Speaker 1: good soon afterwards. Mary soon found a new partner, a
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  Speaker 1: man named West who had a daughter of his own.
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  Speaker 1: Like John Wayne Gacy, Coral was a sickly child who
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  Speaker 1: tended to be excluded from most activities. It was the
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  Speaker 1: very same year that the family moved to Houston, Texas,
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  Speaker 1: that Dean Coral was found to have a heart murmur.
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  Speaker 1: He had attempted athletics, but his illness put all these
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  Speaker 1: endeavors on the back burner. He traded it off, though,
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  Speaker 1: seeking out trombone and music instead. When he was a
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  Speaker 1: neat child, reportedly well behaved, Dean Coral showed a sensitivity
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  Speaker 1: to rejection that most would consider to be excessive, and
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  Speaker 1: this may have been due to the fact that his
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  Speaker 1: mother was heavily overbearing. She was reportedly overprotective and controlling
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  Speaker 1: of Coral, which can deeply impact the social and emotional
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  Speaker 1: health of a young child. Moreover, she never improved. Coral's
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  Speaker 1: mother remained a commanding figure throughout his childhood and teenage years,
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  Speaker 1: applying pressure to every area of his life, stripping him
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  Speaker 1: of his autonomy and free will. Yet Dean and his
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  Speaker 1: mother were close. In the late nineteen fifties, Mary Coral
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  Speaker 1: began making pecan candies. Dean would act as the delivery
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  Speaker 1: boy for her candies, even going out to gather the
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  Speaker 1: pecans himself. Together, the two began something akin to a
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  Speaker 1: small business. In the book Mas in Houston, author John K.
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  Speaker 1: Growell states that as a child, Dean was a boy
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  Speaker 1: who did everything he was told to do and was polite.
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  Speaker 1: He was understanding and affectionate, particularly with kids, and above all,
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  Speaker 1: he never questioned mother. Dean would go on helping his
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  Speaker 1: mother with her small business of making candy until in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty when he briefly moved to Indianapolis to take
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  Speaker 1: care of his grandmother. He had finished high school in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen fifty eight, and when he returned to Houston in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two, he found that his mother had turned
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  Speaker 1: their garage into a small candy store. He then began
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  Speaker 1: working for his mother, making candy at night and working
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  Speaker 1: by day with Houston Light in Power as an electrician,
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  Speaker 1: the same occupation that his father had held. Dean Coral
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  Speaker 1: was drafted into the military in nineteen sixty four. However,
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  Speaker 1: it was a short stint of service. After ten months,
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  Speaker 1: he was discharged honorably for hardship. When he returned home
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  Speaker 1: to his mother, he found that more change had occurred.
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  Speaker 1: She had left west and needed her son's help more
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  Speaker 1: than she ever had. Now working for his mother once more,
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  Speaker 1: he lived above her candy shop in a small apartment.
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  Speaker 1: He stayed in contact with his father, Arnold, who lived
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  Speaker 1: close by, and his life was generally good at this time,
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  Speaker 1: as the neighborhood candymaker. He was considered kind by those
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  Speaker 1: he interacted with. In fact, Dean Coral gained a reputation
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  Speaker 1: as being a friendly and giving man. But this facade
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  Speaker 1: would later be shattered in the worst way. Coral would
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  Speaker 1: do something with his position which would prove to be
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  Speaker 1: nothing if not a sickening foreshadowing. The Coral Candy Company
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  Speaker 1: was growing. It had moved from the Coral's family's garage
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  Speaker 1: into a shop on West twenty second Street, located in
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  Speaker 1: the Houston Heights, just to cross from an elementary school.
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  Speaker 1: Dean would begin giving kids free candy as they crossed
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  Speaker 1: the street from the school, earning him the gruesome nickname
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  Speaker 1: the candy Man. Coral would use this tactic later on,
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  Speaker 1: offering his victims incentives to follow him, such as free
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  Speaker 1: candy rides or jobs. Using his mother's business, he would
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  Speaker 1: endear himself to the children in their neighborhood, taking their
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  Speaker 1: trust and using it for some of the most sickening
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  Speaker 1: and horrific crimes a person can commit. Yet Dean Coral
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  Speaker 1: managed to cover his darkness well. People talked about Dean
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  Speaker 1: Coral as they would talk about any kind neighborhood man.
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  Speaker 1: They referred to him as a person who would help
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  Speaker 1: anyone on their worst day. Allegedly, Dean Coral would have
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  Speaker 1: given the shirt off his back to someone if they
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  Speaker 1: didn't have one of their own. He was referred to
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  Speaker 1: as a selfless person with a girlfriend, Betty Hawkins stating
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  Speaker 1: the following of Coral in a gush of kind words quote,
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  Speaker 1: Dean was one of the kindest men I ever knew.
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  Speaker 1: If he had something and someone needed it, he'd give
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  Speaker 1: it to them. So far as I know, he didn't
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  Speaker 1: have any special hobby unless it was helping other people.
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  Speaker 1: That guy must have gone through fifteen TVs in the
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  Speaker 1: last five years. Every time I turned around, his TV
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  Speaker 1: would be gone. Somebody would come up and say they
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  Speaker 1: needed one, and he'd give it to them. He made
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  Speaker 1: me feel like I was somebody, and the biggest majority
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  Speaker 1: of men seemed to want to make me feel so
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  Speaker 1: much lower than them, and all they wanted was to
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  Speaker 1: take me to ben In five years. Dean and I
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  Speaker 1: never really had Sometimes we would hug and kiss. There
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  Speaker 1: were times that we came close, but we never did it.
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  Speaker 1: He believed that you should be married. There aren't very
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  Speaker 1: many like that. He'd say things like you know, I've
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  Speaker 1: been thinking lately, I ought to settle down and get married,
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  Speaker 1: But all of a sudden he would change his mind.
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  Speaker 1: And later he'd say he couldn't afford to get married,
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  Speaker 1: and I'd say, well, I can work, you know, but
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  Speaker 1: he'd say, no way, if we got married, you wouldn't work.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely not. As you can see, Dean Coral was an
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  Speaker 1: expert at hiding his inner darkness, and Betty's words reveal
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  Speaker 1: more of his story than just his outward facade. Betty
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  Speaker 1: and Dean never had. Unlikely Dean Coral's aversion to marriage
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  Speaker 1: was because he was gay. Dean Arld Coral was gay
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  Speaker 1: during a time when men were at severe risk of
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  Speaker 1: bodily harm if it was revealed that they were attracted
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  Speaker 1: to the same though as his life went on, gay
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  Speaker 1: clubs and bars would become fairly commonplace in Houston. Dean
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  Speaker 1: Coral had girlfriends throughout his life. However, he never got
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  Speaker 1: married to a woman, and if Betty Hawkins's story can
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  Speaker 1: be believed, he likely abstained from any sort of romantic
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  Speaker 1: contact with them. This, of course, must have been a
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  Speaker 1: challenging road for Dean Coral to walk. However, Coral was
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  Speaker 1: not an innocent man living in a society that would
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  Speaker 1: harm him for his He was also not the kind, giving,
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  Speaker 1: neighborhood candy man that he tried to make himself out
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  Speaker 1: to be. He was something dark, insidious, and disgusting. Was
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  Speaker 1: a far different picture is painted of Coral that would
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  Speaker 1: distract from his cover as a selfless man. When a
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  Speaker 1: teenage boy came forward about an interaction he had with
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  Speaker 1: Dean Coral inside of public men's room, Apparently Coral once
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  Speaker 1: made a pass at the boy, who called himself Guy.
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  Speaker 1: Though Coral had made a disturbing pass at him, the
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  Speaker 1: two would somehow become close friends. Guy saw a different
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  Speaker 1: perspective of Dean than anyone else saw. He saw a
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  Speaker 1: sign of Dean that was self critical, and he even
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  Speaker 1: saw a glimpse into some kind of second life. Coral,
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  Speaker 1: you see, was a very self conscious man. He was
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  Speaker 1: very concerned about his appearance. Though he was a large
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  Speaker 1: and muscular man, weighing around two hundred pounds and well
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  Speaker 1: over six feet tall. He was especially concerned with his age,
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  Speaker 1: wanting to be perceived as being young. Guy later explained
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  Speaker 1: Coral's body image issues, saying quote, he felt like an outcast,
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  Speaker 1: especially age wise. He was hyper sensitive about his age,
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  Speaker 1: how he looked, if he was young looking, if he
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  Speaker 1: had maybe something a little bit wrong with his hair.
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  Speaker 1: He'd always want compliments or he'd want constructive criticism. At
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  Speaker 1: times he would be totally childlike and rambunctious and crazy.
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  Speaker 1: He wanted to be in with the youthful crowd. He'd
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  Speaker 1: show it by his action. Someone who was thirty five.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to see him waiting in a pond.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want him taking off his shoes, rolling up
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  Speaker 1: his pant legs and going skipping down the street. End quote.
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  Speaker 1: Guy stated that despite his concerns about his appearance and
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  Speaker 1: strange interest in being in the younger crowd, Dean Coral
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  Speaker 1: appeared to be a kind and gentle man. Yet there
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  Speaker 1: was something about Coral that was always off. There were
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  Speaker 1: darker aspects of his life that Guy simply didn't see.
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  Speaker 1: One of these was the bedroom that Dean spoke of
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  Speaker 1: as if it were some kind of dark secret, something
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  Speaker 1: he would never reveal. It was about a bedroom in
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  Speaker 1: his house that was off limits to Guy. Coral told him,
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  Speaker 1: I'll never take you there. And there were more disturbing
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  Speaker 1: inferences made about Coral through Guy's testimonies. Guy stated the
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  Speaker 1: following quote. He was sort of like a cloud of mystique.
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  Speaker 1: He was just there. Seemed like he had another life
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  Speaker 1: he would go to, and I was not a part
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  Speaker 1: of it. And I never wanted to infiltrate his other domain.
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  Speaker 1: He seemed to set up a barrier and wanted me
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  Speaker 1: to stay on one side. The other aspects of his
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  Speaker 1: life were taboo. I knew he had a friend named Wayne,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: but every time I'd bring up his friends, he'd more
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: or less just cut them off, never wanted me to
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: meet them. End quote. Guy likely couldn't have imagined the
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: truth of who Wayne was, or the truth of this
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: esoteric bedroom that Coral refused to show him. With this testimony,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: we move into the era of his life where Dean
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Coral meets David Owen Brooks and Elmer Wayne Henley. In
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven, while working at the candy company, Coral
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: met the first of his two accomplices, beginning the dark
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: streak of terror he would unleash on Texas. David Owen
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Brooks was only when Coral first met him, and sickeningly,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: the relationship immediately became Brooks, like Coral, came from a
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: family broken by divorce. He was susceptible to manipulation a
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: boy who wanted to find a father figure. Coral had
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: lured David into a friendship, offering the young boy free candy,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: but also taking him on trips to southern Texas to
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: the beach. Coral ingratiated himself to David over a period
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: of time and sadly convinced the boy to accept money
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: in return for acts being performed on him. Yet, this,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: somehow was only the beginning. Brooks would perform even more
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: horrifying acts as time went on, urged into monstrous behavior
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: by the friendly neighborhood candy shop owner. Eventually he would
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: be urged before he became the groomed accomplice to it.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: David Brooks was a promising student. He had excellent grades
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: in elementary school, but around the time he began associating
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: with Dean Coral, his grades suddenly took a turn for
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: the worse. Coral had his claws deep in Brooks, with
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: a boy, even dropping out of high school in order
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: to spend all his time with his Coral wasn't satisfied
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: with only one young man to torment, though he needed more.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: By nineteen seventy, he had begun offering Brooks great sums
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: of money to bring him more teenaged boys for him.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: His deal was two hundred dollars per boy, an equivalent
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: to sixteen hundred dollars today. Coral paid Brooks in cash
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: to bring him as well as bottom gifts. This is
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: a great sum of money to give a teenager, and
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: by that time the Coral Candy company had been struggling
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: to tread water. Mary Coral had found another new husband
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: by nineteen sixty eight, but in that year the two
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: split up again, which resulted in the candy company's closure.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Coral's mother, Relok, located to Colorado, and he found himself
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: without financial support or a job. He then began to
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: train as an electrician. Yet, strangely, Dean Coral still had
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: hundreds in extra cash to pay Brooks for new victims,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: as well as enough money to buy him a new corvette. Naturally,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: people caught on that there was at least something strange
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: happening between Brooks and Coral. Only a teenaged boy, Brooks
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: was driving around Houston in a nice car, and perhaps
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: this is part of what lured in Coral's second accomplice,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Almrwayne Henley. Henley was a dropout and an alcoholic even
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: at a young age. His home life was a travesty,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: with his parents' divorced and Henley having to take over
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: the financial support for his three brothers and mother at
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: a young age. He worked day and night and couldn't
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: make time to finish junior high. He attempted to join
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: the military, but because he didn't have enough education, he
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: didn't make the cut, though Henley was likely intended to
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: be at first, he was deemed useful by Dean Coral
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: and was put to work bringing him more fodder for
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: his nightmarish machine. Not Able to turn down the money,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: which was apparently so over one hundred dollars per victim,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: he took the offer and became the second accomplice to
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Dean Arnold Coral. The three became a close knit trio,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: staying together at Dean's home and driving around Houston scouting
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: the streets for victims. With the accomplices introduced, we now
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: moved to Dean Coral's crimes of at least twenty eight
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: young men and boys. By nineteen seventy, Coral began to
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: slay his victims, and boys began to go missing. Here's
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: where the culture of runaways in the seventies must be discussed.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: In the seventies, kids who weren't happy with their home
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: life frequently skipped town. Some simply ran off to experience
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: the world and find excitement. This is less common today,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: but in the seventies, kids could run away, find an
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: easy job in a new place and settle in, or
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: they could find family in another city and set down
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: new roots. Running away from home was not at all uncommon. Therefore,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: when an uptick began in Houston relating to the disappearances
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: of young men and boys, the police likely thought that
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: this was simply a coincidence that or they didn't have
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the manpower to search for them, and they labeled all
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: the quickly piling up missing person cases as runaways as
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: a matter of ease. You see, unless foul play was documented,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: police even still today quickly jumped to assign a case
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: as a runaway. Many missing person departments are understaffed and
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: don't have nearly the budget to research every case. In
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: the seventies, the crime scene in Houston was rapidly growing,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: and the police didn't have the man power to control it.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: They may have chosen to assign runaway until there was
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: something more substantial to consider, and so as time continued,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the disappearances piled one atop the other, and families began
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: asking questions. Young Men from all across Houston began to
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: vanish into thin air, even those young men who would
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: not be considered the type to run away. It begins
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: with a college student in the latter part of nineteen seventy.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: On September twenty fifth, Jeffrey Conan vanished after hitchhiking from
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: the University of Texas with another student to his parents' home.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Likely after Conan was dropped off, he was picked up
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: by Dean Coral, and his nightmare began. We know that
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Dean Coral, before strangling them to death, the same manner
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: of death that John Wayne Gacy employed. In fact, there
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: were many similarities between the manners of employed by Gaysey
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: and Coral, but most notably was the handcuffs. These handcuffs
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: were eventually located in Dean Coral's bedroom, the very room
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: that guy was only told about in nondescript words. In
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: that room was, as it would later be called, a
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: wooden board with holes in all four corners through which
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: handcuffs were attached. The bedroom was lined with plastic, likely
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: for ease of cleaning, and the room were devices that
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Coral would use on his and once a young boy
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: was locked into those handcuffs, he more than likely would
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: never see another sunrise. Conan may have been the first,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: or he may have been far from it. We actually
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: still don't know to this day how many men and
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: boys Dean Coral, as his burial grounds were revealed by
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: his accomplice later on, and he may have only shown
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: his accomplices the burial sites of the after they joined
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: his grim alliance. Regardless, though Conan is generally considered to
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: be the first, likely he was lowered in by Coral
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: with the promise of a free ride, taken to Coral's
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: home instead, and tied to the board for his last
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: agonizing hours. He was eventually buried on a high Island
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: beach after his torment had ended. It was only shortly
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: after the member of Jeffrey Conan that David Brooks walked
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: in on Dean Coral two teenage boys who Coral had
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: tied to a bed. This is allegedly how Brooks earned
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: his Corvette, staying silent about Coral's sickening acts. Coral allegedly
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: told Brooks later on that he had the two boys,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: and this is when he offered Brooks two hundred dollars
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: for any teenage boy that Brooks could get into Coral's bedroom.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Brooks then lured in the next two. On December thirteenth,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy Danny Yates and Frank Glass were at a
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: religious rally when Brooks took them afterwards to Dean Coral
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: and to their own The boys were tied to the board,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: strangled and buried beneath Dean Coral's infamous boat shed. On
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: the thirteenth of January nineteen seventy one, Coral and Brooks
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: came upon two brothers and Donald Waldrop. Coral lured them
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: into his van and the pair took the boys to
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Magnum Road, where Coral rented an apartment. The boys were
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: then in the same fashion as Danny Yates and Frank Glass,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: then buried under Coral's boatshed. Between the months of March
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: in May of nineteen seventy one, three were slain, all
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: from the Houston Heights. Brooks was a participant in each
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: year and all three were buried in the rear of
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: the boatshed. Randall Harvey was last seen on March ninth,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: riding his bicycle toward the area of Oak Forest. Harvey
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: was taken to the Magnum Road apartment, where he was
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: with a single to the head. On May twenty ninth,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: both David Hilligeist and Gregory mally Winkle were abducted at
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: another one of Coral's residences, an apartment on West eleventh Street.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: These disappearances launched a massive search for their missing boys.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: One of the boys who offered to help search for
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: them was Elmer Wayne Henley, not yet an accomplice of Coral.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Henley was a lifelong friend of victim David Hilligeist and
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: was very active in the search. Only later would he
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: be the reason for more disappearances. In August of nineteen
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: seventy one, Brooks and Coral and Ruben Watson Haney, an
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: old friend of Brooks's. They persuaded the boy to attend
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: a party at a home that Coral owned on San
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Felipe Street. After he arrived, he was strangled and buried
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: beneath the boat shed. Then in September, Coral moved into
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: a residence on Columbia Street, and there two more, their
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: identities remaining unknown to this very day. These two boys,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: just before Elmer Wayne Henley became an accomplice, were kept
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: alive for four grueling days of and madness. Once Elmer
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Wayne was recruited, he began to perform the same job
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: as Brooks. The identity of the first Elmer Wayne Henley
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: brought to Coral remains unknown, but Henley states that he
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: does not believe he was. Instead, Henley thinks he was
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: sold into a lwored to Dean Coral's residence in late
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: February or March of nineteen seventy two. This phantom boy
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: had been handcuffed, bound and gagged, but Elmer Wayne Henley
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: saw no more as he left Dean Coral alone to
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: do his disgusting work. Now it is bizarre that he
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: has claimed this. We're going to talk about all that later.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: It definitely is going to tie to John David Norman.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Then it was Frank Agierre who was lured in on
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: March twenty fourth, nineteen seventy two, with promises of marijuana
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: and drinking. He followed Coral, Brooks and Henley to Coral's
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: apartment and smoke marijuana with them. Henley claims that he
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: did not know what Coral's intentions were with Agier, but
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: when Coral revealed that he had previous one that Wayne
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: had left alone with him, he allowed Coral to marguerre
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: and aided in burying his corpse on High Island Beach.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: The boy was and strangled to death a month later.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: In April, Henley aided Brooks and Coral in Mark Scott.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: He was well known to the three criminals and he
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: had been a special target of Corals. Dean claimed that
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Scott had cheated him in some kind of deal, something
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: relating to stolen property. Initially, Mark fought back when he
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: was captured, but once Henley pointed a gun at him,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Mark Sky gave up. He was subsequently and strangled and
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: buried later on at High Island Beach. On June twenty
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: sixth the three killers Johnny Dolom and Billy Bouch They were,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: but the two died curiously in different ways. Billy Bouch
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: was but Delom was on the forehead. After these two
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: kids were William Ridinger was lured to Coral's home. He
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: was tied to the board and However, riding Ger was not.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Brooks told police that he convinced Coral to release him,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: but he was later bound by Coral for his actions.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy two, Steen Sickmund. He was last seen
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: on the nineteenth of July at a party in the
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Houston Heights. Sickmund was bludgeoned in the chest before being
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: strangled and buried beneath the boat shed. A month after
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Sickmund's in late August, Roy Bunton was He was gagged,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: had his mouth taped over, and was twice in the head.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: He was buried beneath the boat shed alongside the ever
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: growing collection of innocent young men. In October and Brooks
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: brought Richard Hembury and Wally J. Simoneau to Coral's residence.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Sometime during that evening, Wally J. Contacted his mother. He
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: only had time to shout the word Mama before the
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: call went silent. The morning after the call, Elmer Wayne
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Henley Richard Hembury through the mouth, and both Hembury and
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Simoneau were strangled hours later. These two boys were buried
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: above the corpses of James Glass and Danny Yates. In
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: November of nineteen seventy two, Willard branch And from Oak
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Forest vanished while on his way through Houston. He was
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: gagged and is removed before being buried beneath the boatshed.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: On the eleventh of that month, Richard Kepner was strangled
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: and buried on High Island Beach. On the twentieth of
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: January nineteen seventy three, coralon Slewt Joseph Lyles, a friend
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: to both Coral and Brooks. He too was buried beneath
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: the boatshed. Between February and June of nineteen seventy three,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Dean Coral suffered from a serious health concern a hydro cell,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: which resulted in in a lull between them. When he
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: returned to his However, Henley and Brooks noted that Coral
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: had become even more brutal and sadistic in his methods
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: of They stated that the man was in a state
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: of bloodlust. Allegedly, Brooks and Henley could even tell when
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Coral needed a new because he would become restless and
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: begin smoking cigarettes as if he were under duress. William
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Ray Lawrence was his next on June fourth, nineteen seventy three.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: He was for three days until eventually being strangled and
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: then buried at Lake sam Rayburn. Only two weeks later,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Raymond Stanley Blackburn was buried in the same location as
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: William Ray Lawrence. Next, a friend of Henley's was Homer
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Luis Garcia. He was lured to Coral's residence on the
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: sixth of July. Once inside Coral's home, he was placed
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: in the bathtub and his body was left to bleed out,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: and when the boy had passed, he was buried at
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Lake sam Rayburn. John Sellars was five days later and
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: buried at the lake alongside his fellow victims. In late July,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: on the nineteenth Michael Bouch was strangled and buried at
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Lake sam Rayburn. He was the brother of one of
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: the earlier Billy Bouch. Two more were claimed quickly after,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: on the twenty fifth of July, Charles Cobble and Marty
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Ray Jones. The two boys were buried once again beneath
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the boatshed. The last of this reign of terror was
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: a named James Stanton Dremala. While on a bike ride,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: he was tied to the board where he was and
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: eventually strangled. His body. A small blonde boy was buried
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: beneath the boatshed. Elmer, Wayne and David were the arms
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: and legs of Dean Arnold Coral. If he wasn't procuring
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: the himself, it was his two accomplices. The boys mostly
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: targeted people they knew to supply Coral with friends of theirs,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: people that they could entice to follow them to the
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: home of a man they hardly knew. No one could
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: imagine that these two boys were anything but kind friends. However,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: the parents and the victims said that Henley was a polite,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: good natured boy, and similarly, Dean Coral was thought of
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: as being harmless. There was no indication that he would
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: be involved in anything sinister even then. Throughout this period
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: he moved to different residentss countless times, making it difficult
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: to keep track of him, even if the police had
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: been watching. But there was something that pointed to Dean
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Coral as a suspect. Relatively early on, when Billy Bouch vanished,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: a letter had been sent to the family from Madisonville, Texas.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: The envelope clearly showed Billy's handwriting, but the letter itself
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: bore a script that was either forged or written by
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: their son under duress. The note read dear mom and Dad.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry to do this, but Johnny and I found
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: a better job working for a trucker loading and unloading
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: from Houston to Washington, and we'll be back in three
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: to four weeks. After a week, I will send money
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: to help you and mom out. Love Billy, mister Bouch
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: was a truck driver for a living and knew that
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: no such job existed. The parents were now certain that
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: something else was at play, something much darker. The parents
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: knew that Dean Coral would have neighborhood kids at his
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: home fairly often. Billy had gone to his home numerous times,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: as well as drugs from David Brooks. Billy's mother remembered
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: something her son had said when she asked him what
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: they did at Coral's home. Quote, we played the stereo
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: and watched TV, and Dean shows us things. Once he
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: showed us his handcuffs. We were there with a couple
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: of other boys, David Brooks and somebody else, and they
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: got to playing around with the handcuffs and put them
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: on one of the boys, and then Dean couldn't find
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: the key. He like, never found the key to take
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: them off. End quote naturally This recalled story raised alarm
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: bells for Billy's parents. They went looking for Coral, but
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: when they found him, he attested that he had no
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: knowledge of where their son had gone. Coral had acted
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: completely normal during his spree and had even maintained a
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: relationship with Betty Hawkins. The only signal that there was
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: something wrong were the signs of depression that began to
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: take hold around the beginning of August nineteen seventy four.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Dean's second life had been kept a total secret from
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: his family. Even after he was found dead and proven
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: to be a his father attested that his son was
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: neither a nor a homosexual. His father and mother didn't
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: even know their son was gay, let alone that he
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: was the only sign of anything strange was that Dean
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: had been talking to his parents about emotional distress. He
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: was talking about being in trouble with someone and told
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: his mother that he had been considering self deletion, but
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: then suddenly turned jovial and told his mom that he
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: wanted to visit her in Colorado. He even spoke about
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: wanting to marry his girlfriend at the time. The only
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: other sign that Dean had been up to know good
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: were suspicious people that his father and his wife had
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: seen around their son's home. They believed that Dean had
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: gotten into hot water with some bad people, but they
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: likely never expected what was going to happen. Only a
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: few days after Dean had gone to his mother talking
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: of danger, Coral's accomplice Elmer Waine, would bring him to
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: fresh Tim Curley and Ronda Williams. It can't be said
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: what truly led Henley and Brooks to go along with
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Coral's rampage of horror. That's something we will never really know.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Perhaps they were afraid for their own lives, or maybe
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Coral had something against them, But whatever the case, they
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: continued to supply him with young boys, and there was
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: no sign that arrel was going to stop. This horror
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: show went on for three years until the day Henley
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: invited his friends over to do drugs at Coral's home
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: in nearby Pasadena, and that brings us to the day
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: of Dean Coral's death and the revelation that would rock
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Texas to its core. For Henley at the time, this
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: was likely another day in his work as a procurement
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: agent for Coral, But for Tim Curley and Ronda Williams,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: who was the darkest day of their lives. At first,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: it was all the standard procedure, but later on something
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: would change for Henley, something would click inside of him
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: and he would no longer participate in the of his friends,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: particularly of Ronda, who was also Henley's girlfriend. Perhaps it
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: was because Coral, now thirty three years old, was furious
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: that young Henley had brought a girl to his house.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: When Coral saw Henley lead Ronda into the home, he
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: became irate, berating Henley for bringing a girl. He didn't
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: want girls, only boys. Coral had wanted Tim Curley, specifically
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: pointing him out to Henley as a target. But thankful
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: for Curly and all the other young men that Coral
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: may have going forward, Ronda was there. It would prove
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: to be her that would snap Henley out of his madness.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Ronda had had a fight with her father on the
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: night of August seventh, nineteen seventy three, a character that
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: she was often at odds with. Trying to help her,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Henley invited her, as well as Tim Curley, over to
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Coral's Pasadena home for a paint sniffing party. During the evening,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: the three passed out, falling asleep in Coral's place. When
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: the three awoke, they were all bound, even Elma Wayne
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: punishment for bringing a girl. Elmer watched Coral pick up
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Tim Curley as if he were weightless, transporting him into
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: a sort of room. Coral, as previously stated, was a
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: large man, at over six feet tall and weighing two
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: hundred pounds. He was easily able to carry Tim to
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: his death sentence. Inside the room, the ground was covered
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: with plastic. There were items as well, a double ended dildo,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: glass rods, a gun, and a hunting rifle. Curly wasn't
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: the only one in the room, however, Ronda Williams was
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: woken out of her sleep by Coral, kicking her and
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: calling her name Eames, telling her to get up and move.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Once inside the room, the two were tied to the board,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: a wooden board with handcuffs at each corner. Henley was
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: still tied up, but wouldn't remain so for long. Coral
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: untied Henley and told him that if he didn't Ronda,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: he too would become a After sending Henley to his
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: grim task, he turned on Tim, but Curley put up
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: a considerable fight to keep Coral from harming him. The
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: man soon became frustrated and walked away, but Tim was
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: not the only life at stake that day. As Henley
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: rounded on his girlfriend, he saw the fear in her face,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: but also something else, acceptance. Henley would later speak about
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: the fact that Ronda had asked him if he was
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: going to go through with this, if he was going
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: to allow this to happen. Henley said he could tell
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: whatever he answered with either yes or no. Ronda had
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: accepted her fate. Something about the way she spoke to
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: him forced him to realize what he was about to do,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: and instead of letting both of his friends die terrible
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: deaths at the hands of a maniac, Henley retrieved a
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: nearby twenty two pistol and told Coral that things had
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: gone far enough. Tim Curley would speak about that day
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: as well. In an interview. Still traumatized by the event
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: so many years later, he recalls seeing Dean Coral transform
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: somehow as Henley pointed the gun at him. He said
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: that as he witnessed Dean change, it was almost as
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: if he physically morphed, like his body became larger and
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: swelled up. It was as if the eyes went wide
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: and that something took him over. As Dean Coral raised
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: his arms to rush at Henley, shouting a challenge to him.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Tim Curley said that Dean looked as if possessed by
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: something demonic. Curley believes Coral was never afraid that Henley
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: would actually take his life, but luckily for Tim and Ronda,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Henley finally made the choice to end the monster's rampage.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: He emptied the gun into Coral's body, and the man
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: tripped into the hallway he had been six times. Bullets
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: were lodged in his chest, shoulder, and head. In his
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: dying moments, Dean Coral clung to the wall, his body
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: gushing blood. As life failed him, He slid down and
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: crumpled to the floor, finally defeated. The three witnesses now
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: stood faced with the gravity of their situation. They were
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: safe from the monster, but they were still three people
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: in an apartment, covered in blood and devices, standing near
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: a dead body. Coral may have been dead, but the
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: trouble was far from over. It was time to come
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: clean to the police. Al Mr Wain dropped the gun
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: and a few minutes later picked up the phone to
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: land a bombshell on Pasadena PD that would set an
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: entire city into a frenzy of news and investigation. When
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: the authorities arrived at the scene of the crime, they
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: found Dean lying dead in the hallway, pierced by six
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: bullet wounds. Coral was naked, but that wasn't all that
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: raised questions about the apartment for the police. The board
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: and devices, and certainly the room covered with plastic, caused
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: the heads of the police to spend Thankfully, they had
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: three witnesses waiting outside, ready for them to ask questions.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: This day would be remembered as the imputus to one
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: of the most horrific discoveries in Texas history, and only
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: the first of many more frightening revelations. The projects found
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: in the apartment were the symptom of a disease that
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: had taken root in Houston, and one of its carriers
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: had just been slain, But two more lurked nearby that
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: the police still knew nothing about. As the police spoke
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: with ELM. Mrwayin Henley, the boy admitted to a gruesome fact,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: one he could no longer hide. He knew of several
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: missing teenagers that Coral had been cold blood Henley pointed
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: them to a nearby business, Southwest boat Storage, where he
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: claimed Coral had buried the victims. Following up on this
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: shocking admission, the police began to search the shed that
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Coral had rented since the year nineteen seventy. Inside the
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: police found two ten pound bags of garden lime, a shovel,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: and a rake. But along with these innocuous items were
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: far more disturbing things literature sealed in an envelope and
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: bags full of the clothing of teenaged boys. The police
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: also saw a bit of disturbed soil beneath some carpeting
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: inside the shed, and this was the only clue they
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: needed to understand what was happening. An excavation of the
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: area followed and the site turned up no less than
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: seventeen bodies, the corpses of young boys, all ranging from
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: as old as to his young as years of age.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: All the boys beneath the boat shed had been reported
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: missing over the last three years, the same number of
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: years that Coral had owned the shed. Because each of
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: the boys had been a mis person's case, they were
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: dubbed the Lost Boys. News teams had swarmed the boat
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: shed and police were struggling to answer all of their questions.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: This sort of case was unthinkable back in those days.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: No one knew how to take this kind of violent
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: crime when the news broke across the city, and that's
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: because the term hadn't even been coined yet. When the
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: bodies of the lost boys were dug up from their
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: mass graves, it was as if the world had turned
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: upside down. No one could understand how this had been
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: happening right under their noses. As the news crashed down
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: upon Houston, the entire state of Texas was struck with disbelief.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: In our day, if thirty young men went missing in
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: a short period, as you know, it would raise eyebrows
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: and people would be on high alert from But back
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: in the seventies, it was almost something that was brushed away.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Missing boys were thought of as runaways by and large,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: a phenomenon that had made Coral's work far too easy
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: to carry out. But now that they had the bodies.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Now that the Lost Boys were found, the police needed
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: to figure out how Wayne had known about them. Wayne
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: was vague when he initially gave his explanations to the police,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: but eventually he would crack and revealed that he had
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: helped as well as Barry at least six of Coral's
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: and after this admission more came to light. Henley knew
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: not just about the grave beneath the boat shed, but
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: about two more. A wooded area near Lake sam Rayburn
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: turned up four more bodies, a location where Coral's family
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: had owned a cabin, and on the Bolivar Peninsula. Seven
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: more bodies were buried along High Island Beach. By the end,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: twenty eight bodies had been found, all males, all between
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: years of age. Every one of these young men had
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: been in horrific ways before finally being put to death.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Most of them had died via strangulation, but some had
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: been on the head by a twenty two when their
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: misery was over, the very same gun that Elmer Wayne
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Henley had used to put their to death. And when
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Henley was giving his confession, he implied that there was
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: a third accomplice, and that was eighteen year old David
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Owen Brooks. Henley claimed that Brooks had introduced him to
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Coral two years prior, and so Brooks was brought in
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: for an interview. Brooks fest up soon afterwards. Not only
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: did he find for coraled, but he also participated in
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: some of the Throughout the confessions, detectives concluded that the
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: young men had lived with Dean Coral on and off
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: for three years. Kral had paid the boys to procure
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: for him, and as time progressed and the young men
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: became further involved in the crimes, they began to take
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: part in the then disposal of bodies. After all this
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: horror was revealed, people began to wonder, much like in
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: the case of Gaycy, how a man can manage to
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: hide such a streak of monstrous violence. Perhaps the most
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: disturbing portion of this case is that Coral may not
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: have only twenty eight young men and boys Henley and
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Brooks led police to the burial sites they knew of,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Yet those may not have been the only ones. No
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: one but Dean Kral knows how many young men lost
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: their lives to us, and it's a question that haunts
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: the minds of many and will continue to do so.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: But that's where the investigators come in. That's where people
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: begin to notice the signs that peek out from the
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: obscurity of these cases. There are small ties, little windows
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: that reveal a larger picture, not a parent from the
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: outside there's one man, one head operator that may have
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: been involved with not just Dean Coral, both John Wayne
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Gacy as well. He is, of course, John David Norman,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: the serial the man behind such disgusting operations as the
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Delta Project, the Norman Foundation, the Odyssey Foundation, and more.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: John David Norman was most infamous for the male order
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: boy rings that he ran largely from his apartments, but
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: also most shockingly, from inside a prison itself. Norman, as
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: we've talked about in the previous two episodes, was of
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: course linked to many members of the upper levels of
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: the US government, and evidence from his cases was destroyed,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: almost as if he were being protected by someone incredibly powerful.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: He was linked to the Franklin cover up, mass government corruption,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: and many more cases. But for right now, we're going
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: to focus on how he was connected to Dean Coral.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Days before Dean Corel's death, he had spoken to his
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: mother about being depressed, about being in danger. He talked
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: like he had made someone very important, very angry, and
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: had expressed to his parents that he wanted to self. Now,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: while this might sound suspicious, possibly a lead that Coral
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: was a worker bee for a fiendish queen, It also
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: could have been his own conscience finally catching up with him.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: There's the matter of the similarity of the dwell, with
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: the bulk of these being explained in the John Wayne
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Gacy episode. Two of note here are that a cloth
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: was found in Jeffrey Conan's mouth when he was dug
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: up at his burial site on High Island Beach. Interestingly,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: later on, John Wayne Gaysey would be known to stuff
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: his mouths with a cloth as well. Another similarity can
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: be quickly noted between Dean Coral and John Wayne Gacy,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: and that is the fact that the stench of the
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: decomposing bodies would be covered by the same substance that
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Gaysey used to conceal the smell lime. But the true
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: leads on Dean Coral's connections to John David Norman are
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: far more solid. Where it begins for the connection to
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Dean Coral are in the psychological profiles. In the book
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I Have the Chickenhawk by Simon Dovey, the author calls
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: to attention the use of psychological profiles to identify the
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: members of Dean Coral's crew, the first sign that there
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: was more than one man's psychological profile behind these gruesome
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Acts is the confession statements given by Wayne and David
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: the day after Kral's death. Both teenagers stated, completely independent
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: from each other, that Coral had told them he was
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: a part of a Dallas based organization that bought and
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: sold boys and young men. But more chillingly, they both
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: stated that members of this organization were the boys that
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: they purchased. The August ninth confession given by Elmer. Wayne
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: states that Brooks introduced him to Kral after Henley said
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: he needed money. His exact statement is as follows. Quote
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: and he took me to Dean Coral. Dean told me
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: that he belonged to an organization out of Dallas that
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: bought and sold boys, ran horror and dope and stuff
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: like that. Dean told me that he would pay me
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: two hundred dollars at least for every boy that I
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: could bring, and maybe more if they were real good
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: looking boys. I've come within an inch of killing him Coral,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: but I just never got up enough nerve to do
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: it until yesterday, because Dean had told me that his
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: organization would get me if I ever did anything to him.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: End quote. And here's where we see how Henley and Brooks,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: despite knowing the horrific things they were doing, were kept
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: under Coral's thumb. Yes, this could have been a lie
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: to give them some sense of sympathy, being young men
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: who were caught up in a very bad deal that
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: would take their lives, or Coral truly could have belonged
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: to some dark cabal that pedaled drugs and underaged boys
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: to shadowy buyers across the country who bore in their
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: hearts the intent. Now, Brooks did indeed sell drugs, proven
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: to have done so for one of Karl's owned but
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: the same day that Henley gave his confession, Brooks independently
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: parroted him with his confession stating quote. During one of
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: our conversations, Dean mentioned that there was a group of
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: people in Dallas which had similar activities to his. He
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: mentioned a man by the name of Art, who he
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: said had also some boys in Dallas. One day, while
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I was at his house, I picked up a piece
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: of paper with the name Art on it and all
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: of the phone number, but the last number in the
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: area code was two one four. Dean also mentioned Art
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: as a wife. Lately, Dean had been wanting to go
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: to Dallas and I believe was supposed to go at
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: the end of this month end quote. The two boys
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: corroborated each other's accounts despite being at separate police stations,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: making their statements only about an hour apart. Two different
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: teams of detectives interviewed them as well, making their statements
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: only all the more credible. Henley had been in the
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: custody of Pasadena PD since the morning of the eighth,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: but Brooks was not in custody until after he received
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: word of Coral's death on the morning of August ninth.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: This would have given the two boys a very little
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: chance to communicate, and so their mutually corroborating statements were
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: considered as evidence. But there was more than just these
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: two boys who said they knew of a Dallas operation.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Ronda Williams, the fifteen year old girlfriend of Elmer Wayne
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Henley and the girl who almost lost her life on
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: the day of Coral's death, was recorded stating the following
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: to investigators, as written in a Houston p D Supplementary
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Offense report. Quote, Wayne has told Ronda that he had
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: been to Dallas several times with Dean and that a
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: warehouse was in Dallas where she could make fifteen hundred
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: dollars a week doing something illegal, but Wayne reportedly had
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: never told her what it was end quote. So now
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: there are three different accounts linking Dean Coral to some
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: sort of shadowy operation in Dallas that bought and sold
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: young boys. Who else at that time was running such
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: an operation? Hm? Well, there was none other than John
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: David Norman, the head of the Odyssey Foundation, which was
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: finally discovered if you'll remember, in nineteen seventy three, on
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: August fourteenth, only a few days after Dean Coral was
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: to death by his accomplice. So how was Norman found out?
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: After Coral's death? Well, on the eleventh of August, detectives
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: in Pasadena began to report that they would be checking
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: in with local postal authorities to identify and investigate a
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: private postal box registered to Dean Coral in Houston. David
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Brooks had told police that Coral had used this postal
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: box to receive materials, but he also said that Coral
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: was very secretive about his mail, reading the items he received,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: but then immediately destroying them, ensuring that no one else
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: could ever see what was inside. It was the thirteenth
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: when Dallas detectas were contacted by their counterparts in Pasadena
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: reporting a possible connection between them in their area and
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: some that were occurring in Dallas. And then the fourteenth came.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: This was the day that Dallas PD received a call
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: from an anonymous informant that there was a male order
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: boy ring being run by a man in his apartment.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: When police acted on that tip, if you'll remember, they
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: arrested John David Norman, a forty five year old man
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: living at the address provided. When John David Norman was found,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: he was in the company of five teenaged boys and
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: his apartment was filled to the brim with photographic equipment,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: publishing stationery, files, literature, and CSAM materials. It was enough
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: material to fill an entire van, and all of it
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: pertained to Norman's The Odyssey Foundation. When the files were seized,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: the police noted in their official reports the presence of
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: thousands of index cards labeled with the contact information of
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: QUOTE clients around the country, some of them prominent people
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: and some federal employees in Washington end Quote. This was
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: all forwarded through a Post office box registered in San
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Diego to the Norman Foundation, run by John David Norman,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: along with something called Epic International. The Odyssey Foundation, John
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: David Norman's code name for his CSAM Production and Distribution ring,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: had allegedly been a non profit mentorship program for young
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: boys which paired young children with adult sponsors from around
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: the country. In truth, what it was was a service
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: that sold young children, organized and operated at the hands
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: of John David Norman. The operation had spanned the entire
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: country and had a massive network of customers which had
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: accumulated over the years. As stated in the previous episode
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: about John David Norman, the index cards listing customers and
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: contacts of the ring that had been seized were supposed
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: to have been investigated by authorities, and yet, luckily for
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: the people on those cards, the cards were destroyed. Instead,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: they were never investigated. The information on those cards was
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: never written down, they were never photo copied. There were
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: no copies made. There was no records made pertaining to
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: the cards. They were destroyed. Now it was thought that
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: perhaps Dean Coral was more than just alone operator, that
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: he may have been an acquirer or a customer of
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: John David Norman's disgusting business, or perhaps he was there
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: butcher like I said before. As stated in the first
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: John David Norman episode, there were files in that apartment
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: that were strikingly more concerning than others, which is saying
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: a lot considering how horrifying much of the literature and
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: the apartment proved to be. Some of the files were
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: covered in John David Norman's Then of Evil or photographs
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: which listed descriptions of available boys, and four were labeled
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: with a single chilling word. Allegedly, these photos were located
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: by twenty one year old Charles Brysondyne, who, when he
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: found the cards, reported their ominous existence to the police
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: and set off the chain of events which led to
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: the raid. This was only days after Dean Coral's mass
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: graves were discovered in Houston. Bryson Dyne had heard about
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: the in Houston and became convinced that the Odyssey Foundation
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: had something to do with them. Given the connections between
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Coral and Norman, he may not have been wrong. A
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: concerning number of ties can be made between the two cases,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: mostly through witness statements, but these connections between the Houston
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: and the Odyssey network were never substantiated, only alluded to
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: in the press. Of course, this raises eyebrows, but the
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: index cards being destroyed raises even more. As stated in
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: the John David Norman episode, these thousands of cards were
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: retrieved from John David Norman's apartment, each individual card containing
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: at least one name, maybe contact number, and mailing address
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: of a in America who more than likely would have
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: had CSAM materials at their home, who more than likely
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: the child. And when those cards were found by the
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: police in Dallas, they were looked at, they alluded to
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: these cards to the press. They made that statement. The
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: high profile or whatever government members and employees said that
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: there was like celebrities, you know, notable figures, religious figures
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: on those cards, names that they saw. But then the
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: cards were taken and sent to Henry Kissinger's State Department
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: in a federal agency for investigation, and they were subsequently destroyed.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: The State department was allegedly not concerned about these cards
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: being related to a mass and the potentially bring they had been,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: according to the official story, looking for passport fraud cases
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: in the cards, and having found no evidence of passport fraud,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: every single card was destroyed. This was no small amount
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: of evidence, as we know from the John David Norman episode.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: These employees were conveniently never investigated for their involvement in
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Norman's schemes, and after a short while, all these findings
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: were swept under the rug. But there's plenty more that
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: connects Dean Coral to John David Norman, you see. A
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: few weeks into the Houston investigation, Houston detectives received a
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: letter from a California man named Stephen Dale Ahern, postmarked
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: August twenty fourth, nineteen seventy three, checking in with the
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: LAPDCI division. They learned that Ahearn was quote a member
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: of the Nazi Party and writes letters and some of
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: the information he comes up with is good end quote,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: meaning that in the past this same informant had provided
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: investigators and authorities good information, true information about undercover schemes
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: and plots that he had become privy to. Ahearn was, supposedly,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: according to his own admission, a former male prostitute and
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: film model. In nineteen seventy one, the man had responded
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: to a magazine advertisement and got a paid offer to
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: travel to Houston for an adult film shoot. Once he
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: arrived in Houston, Ahearn met a man named Roy Ames,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: who would go on to photograph him, and Ahearn stated
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: that Ames told him he operated a large production that
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: created and young boys. Ahearn stated that he knew that
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: some of the found buried in Houston had appeared in
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Ames's catalog and that he himself had i personally seen
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: one of the things that he had also seen in
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: the news in a CSAM magazine that roy Ames had
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: published and circulated throughout California, and more chillingly, Ahearn, this
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: informant claimed that he was told directly by roy Ames
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: that roy Ames knew Dean Coral and had used him
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: to young boy's children. When detectives eventually reached out to Ahearn,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: they learned he had met Dean Coral in person when
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: he visited through Roy Ames in Houston. Afterwards, after being
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: introduced to Dean Coral, he had been invited to a
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: that was set to take place in an apartment rented
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: by Dean Coral in nineteen seventy one. Ahearn then stated
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: that this man named Roy Ames was one of the
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: country's largest producers of CSAM materials or CP, and was
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: responsible for no less than a third of all photos
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: and films depicting children being circulating in the United States.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: He backed this up by providing a list of magazines
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: public by Roy Ames in Houston that were being circulated
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: all throughout California. LAPD Vice detectives were contacted in the
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: latter part of August nineteen seventy three with the hope
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: that they could obtain copies of these publications and see
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: if any of Korl's could be identified within them. One
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: magazine called hot Rod's Number three contained a photograph that
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: detectives claimed may have been Dean Coral's William Ray Lawrence.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: The photo was subsequently shown to his father, who denied
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: that the boy in the photo was his son, though
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: detectives noted in their reports that they believed there was
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: a good possibility that the boy in the photos was
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: the and that the father was incorrect or in denial.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: The magazines were traced to an address in Houston used
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: by the record label Clarity Music. This record label being
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: owned and operated by a producer named Roy Ames. One
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: week after Lapdvice was contacted to aid in the investigation,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: a Hollywood base was arrested named Guy Strait. On September one,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one. Three Guy Strait was brought in on
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: charges of using underaged boys in his films, and some
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: of these boys were from Texas. The police at the
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: time reported that they were quote checking with Texas authorities
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: in Dallas and Houston to find out whether there is
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: any connection with an alleged ring in Texas which supplied
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: hundreds of teenage boys as for older men across the
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: country end quote. Guy Strait that was arrested in California
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: ran something called DOM Studios, a disgusting business that peddled
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: CSAM materials, and he had launched a joint venture with
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: a man named William Byers Junior. Now William Byers Junior
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: owned a company called Lyric Productions, and together the two
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: men operated an enormous CSAM production house through a company
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: known as Dom Lyric Productions. Guy Strait's arrest led to
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: that of his business partner, as well as thirteen more
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: later that year in October. Now this when it was
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: fully rooted out and dragged into the sunlight was revealed
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: as being one of the biggest operations in the country
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: and it had been going on right under everyone's noses,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: and these materials were being circulated through the mail. One
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: newspaper article also indicates that the children used were sent
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: from Houston, saying, quote the film sold for fifty dollars
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: each and the magazines for five and ten dollars. Many
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: of the alleged hardcore films were produced by Lyric Film Productions,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: reportedly owned by Buyers. A Houston, Texas photographer, William Johnson,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: worked for Buyers and also was named in the indictment.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Grodin was quick to say that there had been no
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: link discovered between the alleged Los Angeles crimes and the
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: mass homosexual in Houston uncovered August eighth. He said Johnson
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: and Buyers may have transported some of their actors from
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: the Houston area to California for the films end quote. Naturally,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: people involved with Norman's Odyssey Foundation, already connected to the
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Houston wouldn't have wanted more of their connections blown open.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: It would be only further damaging for the federal employees
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: named on John David Norman's index cards that conveniently went missing.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: The connection was quickly denied to exist, trying to ensure
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: that no more lines could be drawn between Dean Coral's
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: and massive nationwide rinks. But there was a connection between
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Buyers and straight to John David Norman and therefore directly
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: to Dean Corals Spry. You see, Byers Junior was from
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Houston and an heir to the Humble oil fortune in Texas,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: where his father was a famed oil man. Being such
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: a prominent businessman, he had many friends in high places.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: One of these friends was j Edgar Hoover himself, the
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: then director of the FBI, and Byers Junior, the CSAM producer,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: knew Jay Edgar Hoover personally through his father. So now
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: not only our government employees linked to this bring through
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Norman's index cards, but j Edgar Hoover, the director of
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: the FBI for almost fifty years until he died in
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two, was a personal friend of a CSAM
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: producer and peddler. In the book Official and Confidential by
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: Anthony Summers, the author alleges that Byers Junior was more
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: than a friend to Hoover, though he puts forth a
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: harrowing accus that Buyer's Junior, that CSAM producer, supplied JEdgar
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Hoover with underaged boys that he also used in his
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: CSAM shoots. These would occur during visits that Hoover would
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: make to Buyers his personal residence. It should be known
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: that Jaedgar Hoover, and I think I stated this before,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: he actually was at William Byers Junior's birthday party, and
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: it's documented in a newspaper report that they spent the
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: whole like they were like really close friends. They weren't like, oh,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: he met him once at an event and it's like
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: a really loose connection. Like no, they were documented to
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: be very close friends. But you have all this going on,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: and the director of the FBI is with the guy
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: that's connected to the guy in California that's connected to
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: the guy in Houston that's connected to the who's connected
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: to John David Norman, who keeps getting out of prison,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: whose index cards disappeared twice. He's also then connected to
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: John Wayne Gacy, who's connected to local politicians. It's a
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: giant webb. Of course, most people would be outraged at
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: such an accusation. But if John David Norman had those
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: contents in the upper government, why wouldn't Buyers. It was
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: April of nineteen seventy four, only a few months after
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Buyers and that photographer William Johnston were arrested, that they
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: skipped their bail and fled overseas to Europe. Guy Straight,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: the guy arrested in California that set this whole thing off,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: fled from California, but he was eventually picked up just
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: two years later in Phoenix, Arizona, for having with a minor. Now,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Guy Strait started to talk in prison in nineteen seventy seven.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: He told a reporter that he had known John David Norman,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: and he also said the same thing later on, during
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: a congressional inquiry looking into CSAM, he stated he knew
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: it named Roy Ames, who was based in Houston. When
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Ames was later arrested, he told officers that quote, while
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Guy Strait had worked with him, Straight was small time
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: by Ames's standards, and that his own material was distributed worldwide.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: End quote. And Roy Ames himself the man who allegedly
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: ran that massive CSAM ring, He was directly connected to
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: the Houston. You see, when the seventeen bodies were discovered
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: beneath the boat shed, two identification cards were located. Those
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: id cards belonged to Jerry Waldrop and Donald Waldrop and
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: were located in the area of the boatshed marked gravesite
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: number five. They were the first to be identified because
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: of their IDs being buried on their persons, also buried
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: with Donald Waldrop was a partial police report, and though
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: this report was taken in as evidence and filed, it
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: isn't known what became of it. When the father of
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: the boys learned of the discovery of the bodies and
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: it was confirmed that his two sons had been slain,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: he gave the police the names of the men his
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: sons had been with at the time of their disappearance.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: One of these men was a man named Bill Walls.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: The other man, the man seen last with two of
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: the of Dean Coral, was Roy Ames. This same information
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: had been written in a police report in nineteen seventy one,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: with the father having stated that Ames quote gathers kids
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: and takes movies end quote. I mean, that's a direct
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: kind of admission that Roy Ames is producing CSAM two.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: But why was this ignored? This would seem to be
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: crucial evidence of a dark and disturbing operation, and yet
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: the police failed to follow up. Roy Ames was first
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: mentioned years before Dean Coral was exposed in nineteen seventy one,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: when two of Korl's earlier first vanished. These are the
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: only two bodies on which ID cards were found, and
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: once they were found, the father once again repeated the
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: name to authorities, roy Ames having remembered it from years
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: earlier as the man that his children were last seen with.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't long before he was mentioned yet again
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: by the California informant that claimed that roy Ames had
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: used Dean Coral to his children. On December twenty second,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three, police in Houston received yet another crucial tip.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: A parole named Richard Van Payne claimed he had seen
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: photographs of the dead boys in the mass murder spree
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: stored away in a Houston warehouse. Then, weirdly enough, sometime
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: that same month, US Postal inspectors rated a warehouse in
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Houston that roy Aims owned. Seized from this warehouse were
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: four tons of CSAM materials and a letter between roy
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Ames and a man named Roger D. Smith about selling
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: hardcore CSAM materials. Once again, I said this before in
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: an earlier episode. Imagine four thousand pounds of printed material
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: sickens me. These films that roy Ames spoke with Roger D.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Smith with about in that letter allegedly depicted children in
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: and one of the chilling statements about the films that
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Smith made to Ames was that quote it would have
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: been better if the producers had tossed in a stiff,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: fourteen year old end quote. Then in nineteen seventy five,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: another warehouse belonging to Roy Ames was rated, and inside
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: of it were two more tons of CSAM materials. And
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: now here's where it gets really weird. Amongst all of
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: that CSAM, the Houston PD actually claimed that when they
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: rated that warehouse, they saw appearing in those CSAM materials.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: I know it's kind of redundant to say CSAM materials,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: but it stands for materials. Amongst all of that CSAM,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Houston PD claimed they saw the faces of eleven of
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: Dean Corals. That is an actual statement from the Houston
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Police Department. What became of that though nothing. They just
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: said that they had seen this, that officers had observed this,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: and that was it. Then the story got buried, the
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: story disappeared. I have no idea what happened, but this
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: is a confirmed report from the Houston Police Department that
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: they actually saw Dean Coral's faces and likenesses in the
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: CSAM that was recovered in roy Ames's warehouse, which would
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: mean that most likely before Dean Coral these children, either
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: he was photographing himself doing stuff to these kids, or
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: roy Ames was coming over and having an adult actor
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: that he hired do stuff to these poor boys while
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: he took photos and filmed, or that roy Ames himself
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: was doing this to these kids and fling himself from
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: taking pictures of himself, and then I don't know when
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: roy Ames was done, Dean Coral was just taking them out. Now.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: David Brooks, Dean Coral's accomplice, seemed to have known about
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: this operation during his first confession in August nineteen seventy three.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Like I said before, Brooks claimed that quote, the first
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: few Dean were supposed to have been sent off somewhere
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: in California end quote. The jury that indicted Brooks apparently
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: was very upset with the Houston Police Department because when
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Brooks had brought this information forward, the Houston PD failed
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: to investigate the extremely obvious lead. This would have constituted
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: interstate but they just dropped it. In the jury's report,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: they stated the following quote. The Houston Police abandoned the
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: investigation about September one, leaving unexplored the possible involvement of
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: others and related criminal activities end quote. Weirdly enough and
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: eerily enough, September one, of course, was the day that
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: Guy Straight was arrested in California. The investigation into dom
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Lyric Productions had followed the joint venture run with Buyers Junior,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: now linked back to Roy Ames in Houston. Ames had
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: reported that those two were just small time operators. Now disgustingly,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Roy Ames only served a ten year sentence after what
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: had been found in his warehouse in nineteen seventy five,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: those thousands and thousands of pounds of CSAM. And he
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: also didn't even serve his full sentence because he was
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: arrested again in nineteen eighty one in Boston for attempting
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: to sell twenty five master copies of CSAM materials to
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: undercover customs officers for twenty thousand dollars. This mass CSAM network,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: already connected to Dean Coral, stands side by side with
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: John David Norman's Dallas Odyssey network. But we can assume
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: that because all the operators knew each other, they were
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: trading boys to each other. They were trading materials to
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: each other. John David Norman was a publisher. He was
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: writing for different publications. He wrote in the same publications
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: as Frank Sheldon. He did all these different things. It's
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: not like these two things were completely independent. Like two
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: streams of water running next to each other. They were
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: two streams that merged in the middle and formed a
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: bigger river. Both Elmer Wayne Henley and David Brooks, Coral's accomplices,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: claimed to work for an organization in Dallas that bought
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: and sold young boys. Norman's Dallas apartment had four photographs
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: of missing boys inside stamped with the word as well
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: as many index cards with government workers' names on them.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: It seems very convenient for these members of the government
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: that the evidence from the apartment was taken and destroyed,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: never fully researched or looked into. As you can see
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: by now, John David Norman, Roy Ames, and Dean Coral
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: are fully interlinked. That's just what we know. That's just
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: what we know from the scarce police reports and investigations
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: that were actually undertaken. I mean, if they would have
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: treated this seriously back then, and there would have been
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: no top down interference to try to shut these investigations
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: down and to stop these matters from being looked into.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling this web would have been uprooted
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: to a degree. And yet John David continued to operate
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: unimpeded for the better part of the seventies and the
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, even though he was arrested multiple times for kids.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Then he was arrested for producing CSAM. He was found
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: in an apartment with drugs and kids and photograph materials,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: even though he posted bail and fled, then was arrested
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: for doing the same thing again. Somehow, was bailed out
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: again and was arrested for doing the same thing again,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: then was let out of prison early, and then went
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: on the run and was arrested again for doing the
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: same thing in Pennsylvania. It's hard to believe, but you see,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: John David, Norman, John Wayne Gacy, and Dean Coral are
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: only a small section of this web. A web, a
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: giant spider web, truly does exist, one where strings are
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: pulled that connect name to name, event to event, and
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: murder to murder. A lifetime of research and investigation could
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: not possibly cover all of this. There's a wealth of
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: information on this sordid underground world that simply boggles the mind.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: This web is one of secrecy and destruction, a weave
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: of shadows that ties evil together with the evil. With
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: this tapestry of blinding horror, we are forced, at the
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: end of all this to reflect on the chilling ways
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: that these three men are really interlinked and connected. As
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: most usually believe, these three are isolated once in a
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: lifetime cases one criminal maniac, acting completely independently from the others,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: each with their own mind of horror and torment. And
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: yet when the facts that have been presented to you
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: are presented the facts that are presented to over the
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: past three episodes, and the cases are drawn into the
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: light through the work of tireless investigation, the web of
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: connections becomes as visible as the light of day, lending
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: a clear picture of their roles working together to profer
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: a nationwide ring of ane. These men certainly did not
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: work alone. Such an operation would have taken severe steps
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: to conceal for the length of time that they operated,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: and one was only found out when his accomplice turned
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: on him in a sudden act of unexpected heroism. John
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: David Norman was protected time and time again for his crimes,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: and why else would he have been protected by his
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: own government unless he was providing them a service. Norman
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: had to have operators. He didn't perform all the roles himself.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: He needed those footmen actors, and if he was creating
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: snuff films disposal experts. It's only through the efforts of
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: investigators that these ties were revealed. Left to those who
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: were allegedly supposed to protect us, these ties would have
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: been severed forever, left as isolated dark marks in American history.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: The destruction of evidence, omissions from court documents, covering for
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: inconvenient truths. All these things were done to hide the
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: monster in the closet that no one dared to confront.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: And yet those who believe the truth, those who believe
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: in truly protecting the innocent, can always win out. Light
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: can always be shined to fight away the darkness, and
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: the light is created through vigilance. That's something that we
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: cannot forget. But I promised that i'd talk about some
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: more of the connections and some more of the web
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: between John David Norman and pretty much every bad guy
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: that you've ever known in history. Now, John David Norman,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: as we touched on in our last episode, was writing
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: at the exact same time he was published in the
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: same editions of this Let's call it a newsletter called
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: hermez or Hermes. This was a newsletter that was essentially
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: being published by people connected to and directly by Francis
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: stuff philed Sheldon. Frank Sheldon, who is one of the
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: most infamous CSAM producers in American history. This guy, I've
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: talked about him many times on the show. He had
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: a private island in Michigan called North Fox Island. He
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: would take kids out there. They'd be trapped on his
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: own island, these kids repeatedly. This that was filmed on
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: that island was then sent to all across the nation.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Once again, when the police busted this whole thing, they
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: didn't go knocking on anybody's doors that they found on
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: the mailing lists for the North Fox Island operation. But
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: if there's a John David Norman here right, let's say
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: this is John David Norman. He's operating on his island.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: He's got John Wayne Gacy and Dean Coral and Roy
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: Ames and Guy Strait. There's also Frank Sheldon over here
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: and Frank Shelle's almost in his own world. But Frank
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Sheldon is also credibly accused of producing or at least funding,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: the production of snuff films where children are and Sheldon
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: is connected to the Oakland County child which we've also
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: talked about at length on this show before, which is
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: the unsolved of at least four children in the Detroit
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: area in the nineteen seventies. Interestingly enough, it's at the
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: exact same time period as Coral and Gacy and John
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: David Norman in all this. It was nineteen seventy six
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: through nineteen seventy seven. You can watch my second episode
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: of this show which is about that whole ordeal in
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Frank Sheldon. They still to this day don't know who
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: those children. They don't know. We know now that it
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: was an organized ring. There were these kids and more
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: than likely photographing them, filming them, and potentially, at least
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: with one of the cases, this child on film so
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: that the snuff film could be sold. So you got
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: Frank Sheldon at about the exact same time that John
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: David Norman is producing these things. John David Norman and
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: Frank Sheldon were writing for the same publication published in
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: the same additions. And clearly, if you're an operator that
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: is selling and producing this stuff as big as John
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: David Norman, you are gonna know Frank Sheldon. It's like
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: if the CEO of McDonald's didn't know who the CEO
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: of Burger King is. Like when you're in that industry
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: and you're the top of the industry, you know your
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: competition and you know who you're working with and also
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: at the same time competing against. And when you get
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: to Frank Sheldon, Sheldon's operation was linked to an uncountable
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: number of different organizations. Sheldon was even bigger than John
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: David Norman in my opinion, because Sheldon went to a
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: boy's farm in Tennessee where a religious had been kids
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: and filming CSAM once again to be sent out to
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: people who paid for it. He's connected to a boy
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: Scout troupe in New Orleans that were also doing the
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: same thing, filming these these children, selling the stuff boys
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: out to client client lists when missing, and they're directly
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: connected to Sheldon, who's connected to John David Norman, who
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: they were all operating at the exact same time in America,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: and so in reality, what we know is that they
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: are all connected. So when you want to talk about
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: a massive spider web, this is the spider web that
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: is so deep and it stretches so wide that we
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: still don't even know a one thousandth of what we
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: need to know about these people and how they operated,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: and how many they had, and how many people were,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: who was, what exactly happened, and so the possibilities here
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: at the end of today's episode are really limitless when
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: you consider that John, David Norman, and Sheldon are linked.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: There you have the meetings of two supervillains with gigantic
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: supervillain organizations that worked with one another, both tied to
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: or of children. Now another interesting connection that could potentially
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: connect to this, there's a very famous, legitimate snuff film
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: movie case that really happened in New York City. We
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: can get into this in another episode. We talked about
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: in our snuff film episode that we did earlier this
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: year about a man named Andrew Crispo. Andrew Crispo was
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: a art gallery owner in New York City. Essentially, Crispo
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: and these other people that conspired and produced a snuff
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: film or tried to produce a snuff film. It's called
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: a death mask, and it's a real case. They were
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: really producing this film. They wanted this film. It's almost
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: a legendary thing where guys, you know, I believe in camera.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of paraphrasing here, But in the investigation and
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: Andrew Crispo, there was some other intelligence that was gathered.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: So according to the book I Have The Chicken Hawk
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: by Simon Dovey, I'm just going to read you this
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: quote an investigative journalist named Mary Terry, whose research intersected
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: with the Andrew Crispo case. During his own investigation into
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: an alleged snuff film produced by Roy Raiden involving one
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: of the son of Sam noted in his nineteen eighty
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: seven book The Ultimate Evil. Quote, author Anthony Haytes Guest,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: who published a major story about Crispo in New York Magazine,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: added another compelling lead when he told me Crispo had
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: spoken about snuff films and a contact for them in Houston.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: End quote. So there you've got another link Houston to
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: snuff films that same time period, Roy Ames. It would
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: have been later, but the industry down here was in existence,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: and interestingly, in the same book, it continues saying, quote.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety four, Crispo's former assistant, Bernard Lgueros, alleged
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: in a signed affidavit, quote, mister Crispo told me that
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: mister Mamano was fencing stolen artwork, including sculptures, for him.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: Mister Crispo also told me that mister Mamano sold cocaine
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: to mister Crispo, and that mister Momano imported gay and
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: straight snuff movies into the United States from Mexico. Snuff
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: movies are obscene movies in which a person is actually
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: on film. I heard that a man from Texas named
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: John produced the snuff movies in Mexico, and that John
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: was subsequently arrested and convicted for committing a crime in Texas.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: So yeah, John David Norman, living in Texas credibly accused
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: through all of this of producing snuff films with Dean
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: Coral and Roy Ames. Same with John Wayne Gacy. I
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: couldn't remember if I talked about this in the last episode,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: but even John Wayne Gacy, there was one he was
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: a surviving He said that when Gaysey was trying to
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: and was there was another man in the room So
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: what was this man doing. Did he want to join in?
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: Was he filming? Was he taking photos? What was the
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: purpose of this other man that did nothing to save
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: this young boy's life? And why has he never been
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: tried or even investigated? And that's just from the surviving
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: of Gaysey. There could have been a man in the
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: room of every of Gaycy's that was, but we wouldn't
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: know because they obviously were. But that's his actual testimony,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: court records and everything. So then you've got sworn testimony
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: under oath saying that there was a man in Texas
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: producing snuff films in Mexico, as you know, I mean
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: from Houston can get to Mexico in a few hours.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: Who is producing them in Mexico and then coming back
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: in the US and he was arrested and convicted of
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: a crime in Texas. I mean, that's exactly John David Norman.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: That's exactly his story. I mean, besides the confirmed snuff film.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: But he was, He's a man named John, like he said,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: who was arrested and convicted of a crime in Texas,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: which we know John David Norman was, but he was
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: convicted on I can't remember exactly like a drug charge
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: and the pandering something very light crime. And he's the
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: one that's incredibly accused of, you know, producing and distributing
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: these snuff films. There was also a vice detective, a
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: murder detective in the nineteen seventies that was interviewed for
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: a publication in California who spoke of a certain film
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: that was supposedly making the rounds in certain circles. I'm
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: just going to read you as quote, he said. Quote.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: There was one film reportedly making the circuit. Supposedly it
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: had been a big hit at an LA party a
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: few weeks before, showing a boy actually being he had
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: been one of Dean Coral's kids down in Texas. The
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: story went that had happened to a lot of Dean
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: Coral's kids. By the time they finished digging them up,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: the Houston police had come up with twenty seven of them.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: Police strongly suspected that a number of young stars were
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: among Coral's victims, and that article was published in New
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: Times magazine on June twenty fourth, nineteen seventy seven. The
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: articles called The Last Show, written by Robert Anson, which
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: features an interview with a California vice detective making a
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: reference to a Dean Coral Stuff film, and I guess
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: we will end this episode with this. Now, a lot
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: of people have requested that I talk about the Finders
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: and the Finder's cult in that group, and we're going
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: to do a full episode about that soon. But essentially,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: in the late eighties, there was a group of men
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: arrested in Florida. They were found in this park. The
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: men had these suits on. This saw recorded. This is
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: a real event. These men had suits on and they
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: were with these children that looked wild. They looked dirty,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: they were undressed, they were disheveled. They were roaming around
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: almost like wild animals at a park and someone called
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: a tip. Local authorities arrested these guys. Basically where the
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: investigation went. It led to the uncovering of this group.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: They called themselves the Finders, and there were allegations of
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: CSAM materials being produced and distributed. There were allegations of
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: Satanic rituals and warship. There were allegations that this group
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: had lived in a cult commune and that children were
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: being through here. And those people said they were on
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: their way to Mexico at the time through Florida. They
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: were trying to get out of the country. That's what
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: they told authorities. So eventually there's a raid on Finders
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: related properties, the buildings owned or lived in by this
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: group in Washington, d C. I've actually been to some
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: of those as a part of an upcoming documentary, And
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: as it turned out, one of the leaders of the Finders,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: his late wife had been a CIA employee, full on
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: CIA employee. His son had worked for a CIA front company.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: This guy was heavily connected to the CIA through family
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: and through different careers and people. So when they raided
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: this warehouse, they found albums and albums of children, photos
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: of kids participating rituals with blood on them, and just grewesome,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: gruesome stuff. There was also an employee I can't remember
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: which agency he was with. I believe it was US
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: Customs that was investigating the case, and he was told
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: essentially to stand down and to stop looking into this
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: buy someone higher up essentially alluding to the fact that
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: this was like a CIA operation, and it was basically
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: just like stop. You don't want to see and you
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: don't want to learn the reality here because it's dangerous.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: When dealing with the Finders, it's really watered down story,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: but when you look into the Finders itself as a
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: group once again, I'm just gonna read you because I
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: thought this was so well put together. This is a
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: section of the Eye of the Chicken Hawk by author
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: Simon Dovey. I highly recommend you read that book. It
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: is truly enlightening. Curious minds were left to steal on
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: all of this for thirty years, prodding and poking with
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: various Foyer requests to get a peek behind the curtain.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: Then in twenty nineteen, the FBI started dumping their trove
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: of heavily redacted case files on their investigation into the Finders,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: including the follow up inquiry into a suspected cover up
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety three. Buried among these releases, sprinkled with
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: red herrings, such as Ted Gunderson's diagrams of the McMartin
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: preschool tunnels. Near the beginning of the first batch, were
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: three documents of instantaneous interest to anyone who knew what
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: they were looking at. It turned out a list of
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: names and addresses had been found on the Finders men
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: caught transporting the children through Florida on February ninth, nineteen
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: eighty seven, the FBI reported Deputy Sheriff redacted, Leon County Jail, Tallahassee, Florida,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: provided a two page list of names and addresses of
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: individuals both within the United States and various foreign countries,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: which was seized from the property of redacted and redacted.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: Several of the last names are identical with members of
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: the Finders organization and are believed to be possibly relatives
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: to those members. A copy of this list is attached.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: The FBI field office that received the list then put
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: them through the following request on February thirteenth. Here's a
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: quote from that document. Enclosed for the Bureau and WFO
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: is a two page list of names and addresses. The
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: enclosed list was recovered from subject redacted and redacted by
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: jail authorities at the time they were booked into the
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: Leon County Jail, Tallahassee, Florida by the Tallahassee Police Department.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: Bureau is requested to search and index all names appearing
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: on this list and to advise Jacksonville and WFO of
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: results of indice's search. These are all public documents made
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: public through the FBI Vault. Feyer releases and Simon writes
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: The response to this request took almost a month, but
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: on March tenth, it finally came through with the following
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  Speaker 1: information matched to three names on the list, and the
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  Speaker 1: document states the name redacted is reflected in Buffalo file
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  Speaker 1: fourteen five c. Sixty sixty three entitled redacted allegend members
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  Speaker 1: of North American Man Boy Love Association NAMBLA, ITOM SEOC possible.
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  Speaker 1: The name redacted is reflected in Doubt file one four
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  Speaker 1: five zero entitled redacted Odissey Foundation, Dallas, Texas ITOM. The
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  Speaker 1: name long Reaction appears as a member of the Odyssey
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  Speaker 1: Foundation in Dallas file one four five zero. And then
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  Speaker 1: there's the document thing at the bottom there, Simon continues,
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  Speaker 1: the two Finders men had been found transporting six children
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  Speaker 1: in a van to Mexico, with a list of addresses
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  Speaker 1: for one individual named in a case of NAMBLA members
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  Speaker 1: suspected of and two named in John Norman's Odyssey network.
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  Speaker 1: So right there we have from an official FBI FOYA
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  Speaker 1: document the fact that, allegedly, according to their investigation, there
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  Speaker 1: were contacts within the Finders and outside of the Finders
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  Speaker 1: a CIA linked ring CSAM producing organization allegedly link there
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  Speaker 1: are links right there to John David Norman. The weirdness
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: never ends. I don't know how you could possibly square
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  Speaker 1: one with the other without jumping to the conclusion that
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  Speaker 1: John David Norman was protected by intelligence in some way.
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  Speaker 1: Look at Jeffrey Epstein, look at what's happening today. Epstein
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  Speaker 1: was protected by intelligence. I mean he was an intelligence operative,
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  Speaker 1: a very very deeply immeshed embedded intelligence guy collecting blackmail.
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  Speaker 1: And you go back to the nineteen eighties with the
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  Speaker 1: Franklin cover up in Omaha, Nebraska. There were people that
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  Speaker 1: were just sick that were involved in that spring, but
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it was blackmail gathering.
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  Speaker 1: It was a carbon copy of Epstein, but from the
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  Speaker 1: late eighties at the same time. Interestingly enough that the
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  Speaker 1: finders the CI linked cult during whatever when they were uprooted.
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  Speaker 1: But those ideas and those machinations don't just spring from nowhere.
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  Speaker 1: In my opinion and the opinion of many others, the
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  Speaker 1: reason why Norman and Frank Sheldon and so many of
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  Speaker 1: these individuals got away was because they were clearly protected.
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  Speaker 1: That that's that's not up for debate. I mean, Norman's
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: criminal history, the way he kept going in and out
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  Speaker 1: of prison and mysteriously getting out of prison, the disappearance
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  Speaker 1: of his cards, the government contacts which are listed in
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  Speaker 1: the police reports, his links to all these people, Odyssey
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  Speaker 1: Foundation materials and people are linked to the Finders, which
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  Speaker 1: is linked to the CIA. It's very clear that Norman
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  Speaker 1: was protected. Same with Francis Sheldon, Frank Sheldon from North
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  Speaker 1: Fox Island. They've claimed that it's Gerald Richards his accomplice,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: who tipped him off. But somebody was able to tip
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  Speaker 1: him off when the raid on him initially was said
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  Speaker 1: to happen, and he was able to go through all
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  Speaker 1: of his buildings and his homes and his offices and
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  Speaker 1: his island and clear out documentation before he skipped the
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  Speaker 1: country and they never chased after him. Sheldon. Interestingly enough,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: his family has ties to j Edgar Hoover as well.
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  Speaker 1: And now you've got this guy Buyers Junior, who's tight
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  Speaker 1: with Guy Strait, his co producer, who publicly claims he's
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  Speaker 1: tight with John David Norman, and Jaedgar Hoover's with them
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  Speaker 1: as well. And in a previous episode that I've done
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  Speaker 1: on this show, we talked about JEdgar Hoover and Roy
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  Speaker 1: Cohne running in the fifties' early sixties, most likely the
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: first photographic blackmail operation in US history, where you had
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: the head of the FBI Intelligence Agency essentially using these children,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: these young boys as bait, getting politicians and other powerful
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: people to these children. The ro Jaeger Hoover parties happened
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: at the Plaza Hotel in New York City in what's
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: called the Blue Suite, but that is almost the blueprint
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: of what was to come. So we don't know how
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: long those parties lasted, but I'm assuming Jaedgar Hoover saw
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  Speaker 1: what could be done with that sort of thing, and
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: what better way to get someone and control them than
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  Speaker 1: by possessing a photo or video of them having a child.
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  Speaker 1: As dark as that is to say, it's just the
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  Speaker 1: goddamn truth. So you've got Jadgar Hoover to Bayer's junior
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  Speaker 1: to Guy Straight to John David Norman, and John David
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  Speaker 1: Norman to the Finders to the CIA, and you've got
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: Norman constantly being erased, let out and let go, And
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: then after gay Sy Norman it's not like his luck
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  Speaker 1: runs out, but it seems like he kind of goes
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  Speaker 1: low key and it's kind of hard to track down
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  Speaker 1: where he's at. But that's about the same time that
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: Frank Sheldon has busted as well, and it's like all
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: these rings were tied together at that point, and it's
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: like the giant web. It's like someone took a torch,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: like Indiana Jones, and stuck the torch in the center
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  Speaker 1: of the web, and it kind of burned out from
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  Speaker 1: the center, at least in my opinion, the intelligence gathering
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  Speaker 1: operation that could have been going on, because then just
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: a few years later, the Franklin ring is fully up
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: and running, which we're going to talk about a lot soon,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: which was another blackmail operation protected by intelligence and more
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: than likely the FBI CIA, which when that was shut
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: down in the early nineties, a year or so later,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: the Epstein operation has started. So there's a timeline there
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: of all these interconnected rings and investigations that a lot
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: of times they lead back to truly evil individuals that
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: operate on levels that we as humans can't understand and
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: we can never understand. But there's also a deeply insidious,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: malignant corner of intelligence that is also funding and protecting
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: these people, probably because they're using them for their own
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: sickening things. So this has been a really long episode
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: and it was a very long conclusion, but I hope
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: that you were able to follow what I was saying
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: and I explained it kind of decently. Be sure to
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: let me know your thoughts on all this, because this
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: is the deepest we've ever gone, and I truly am
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: proud of our team and us getting to the end
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: of the series because it's really shocking stuff. And I
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: remember when I first learned about this, I couldn't believe
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: what I was reading. And then it's one of those
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: things where instead of just hearing it from somebody, when
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: you start reading and looking at the files and looking
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: at the FOYA documents and seeing like, yeah, this is
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: all true, your life can just never be the same.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: But thank you guys for joining me on this three
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: part series. I hope you have enjoyed the three parts.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: Each of them have been crazy, and we're gonna be
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: back next week with another episode of the show. Anyways, y'all,
• 1:30:58
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• 1:31:01
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• 1:31:02
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• 1:31:05
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• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: But my name's Colin Brown. Keep that tinfoil hat on always,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: stay suspicious, question everything. See you guys next week.