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Speaker 1: Petero Krandler live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke urged to show some backbone and block Australians
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Speaker 2: who attended the Hesbala leader's funeral from returning. So will
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Speaker 2: the minister prioritize the public safety over political expediency? I
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Speaker 2: suspect not. Multiculturalism is dead. That's my argument today in
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Speaker 2: the Australian newspaper. And unless we choose our migrants based
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Speaker 2: on their adherence to our values, what's happened in Europe
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Speaker 2: in the UK will happen here. We've still got time,
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Speaker 2: but it's fast running out. More on this coming up,
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Speaker 2: plus new exclusive research on the extent of foreign ownership
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Speaker 2: of our wind farms and just how much you're forking
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Speaker 2: out to these foreign companies. And it was bad, but
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Speaker 2: it's worse than I thought. And another day of confusion
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Speaker 2: over who knew what when all around those Chinese naval drills.
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Speaker 3: So we were provided advanced notes.
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Speaker 4: Both statements are correct.
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Speaker 3: Is not the same thing to say we receive notice
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Speaker 3: and there was no advanced notice provided, which is what
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Speaker 3: you have said compared to what the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: Has said, but first, if any further evidence were needed,
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Speaker 2: yesterday's scenes from a Western Sydney school of students, egged
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Speaker 2: on by teachers chanting alakbar, shows that multiculturalism has failed.
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Speaker 2: Multiculturalism the idea that all cultures are equal and all
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Speaker 2: cultures are equally welcome here in Australia, and that all
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Speaker 2: cultures should be encouraged to coexist more or less forever
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Speaker 2: in Australia. Let me repeat it, that form of multiculturalism
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Speaker 2: has failed. As Professor Jeffrey Blaney worn some four decades ago,
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Speaker 2: multiculturalism would eventually produce a nation of tribes for a
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Speaker 2: long time under the benign gravitational pull of the Australian
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Speaker 2: way of life. The vast majority of migrants from Italy
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Speaker 2: and Greece, from Vietnam, from India, from China, the last
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Speaker 2: two our largest recent source countries, steadily integrated into the
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Speaker 2: Australian community. They add a variety, not conflict, but sadly,
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Speaker 2: as the avalanche of antisemitism has shown, starting with the
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Speaker 2: jew hating protests escalating to anti Jewish vandalism now extending
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Speaker 2: to fire bombing synagogues, all cultures are not equal. We
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Speaker 2: need to start discriminating in our immigration policy to stop
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Speaker 2: importing ancient hatreds from overseas. Now let me stress this
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Speaker 2: is not discriminating it against anyone on the basis of
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Speaker 2: race or religion, but it is discriminating on the basis
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Speaker 2: of values, the decent, live and let live values of
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Speaker 2: the Australian community that every migrant is supposed to have
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Speaker 2: agreed to adopt. These teachers and students chanting allah Abah
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Speaker 2: were angry that a school support officer, sheakh Wessam Chakawi,
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Speaker 2: was ordered to work from home after social media posts
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Speaker 2: in support of Muslim nurses who told a Jewish influencer
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Speaker 2: that he should die a most horrible death and imply
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Speaker 2: that they'd killed Jewish patients. Shaikhawi is a convener of
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Speaker 2: the Muslim Vote, a pressure group trying to force the
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Speaker 2: Albertezer government to make Australia's foreign policy even more anti
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Speaker 2: Israel and more pro Gaza. Not before time, the new
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Speaker 2: South Wales governments warned teachers at Granville Boys High then
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Speaker 2: they must perform their duties impartially and aid politically. Now
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Speaker 2: I repeat, we have got to stop importing trouble. As
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Speaker 2: Douglas Murray said on my program last week, the problem
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Speaker 2: with multiculturalism is the pretense that we didn't have a perfect,
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Speaker 2: good culture ourselves.
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Speaker 1: Everybody in Australia who's Australia knows what Australian culture is.
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Speaker 1: It's not hard. Don't need teams of psychoanalysts to explain
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Speaker 1: it to us. But people have tried to persuade us
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Speaker 1: all in recent years that we should look down on
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Speaker 1: everything that is ours and venerate everything that is the
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Speaker 1: rest of the world.
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Speaker 2: As iron Herziali also said on this program last week.
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Speaker 5: The philosophy of multiculturalism empowered the Islamists into isolating Muslim individuals,
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Speaker 5: convincing them that the Islamist worldview is their world view,
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Speaker 5: of turning them against the local populations. Because we was
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Speaker 5: supposed to make the immigrants feel more at home, it hasn't.
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Speaker 5: It's in every way, shape or form, it has failed.
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Speaker 2: And she's right not a culturalism has failed as it
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Speaker 2: was always destined to fail. As I wrote in my
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Speaker 2: column for The Ralian Today, it's way past time that
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Speaker 2: we banish multiculturalism as official policy and instead we replace
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Speaker 2: it with a civic patriotism based on an unapologetic commitment
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Speaker 2: to Australian values. Now, in practice that will mean abolishing
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Speaker 2: the vast array of multicultural grants just to fund ethnic separatism,
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Speaker 2: deporting on character grounds radical activists before they become Australian citizens,
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Speaker 2: not giving visas to people from authoritarian places that won't
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Speaker 2: then accept their citizens back, so that our courts aren't
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Speaker 2: clogged with baseless appeals, and insisting that would be Australians
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Speaker 2: facing much tougher, a more searching test to their commitment,
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Speaker 2: if any, to our values. Now this should be a
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Speaker 2: key election issue. Having watched up close last week what's
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Speaker 2: playing out in Britain, we have time to avoid its mistakes,
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Speaker 2: but our time is running out. Look, it's been clear
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Speaker 2: for a long time now the Prime Minister is weak
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Speaker 2: and out of his depth. But what's also apparent is
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Speaker 2: that on the most important task of government, that's national security,
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Speaker 2: he doesn't care and is asleep at the wheel. And
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Speaker 2: you'd think that the presence of a Chinese naval task
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Speaker 2: force off our coast, quite possibly accompanied by a nuclear
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Speaker 2: submarine engaged in not one but two rounds of live fire,
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Speaker 2: would get serious Prime ministerial attention. Let's face it, this
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Speaker 2: is an attempt to intimidate. But in saying as he did,
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Speaker 2: this was nothing out of the ordinary and that we
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Speaker 2: had been notified, not only was he complacent about a
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Speaker 2: direct act of bullying, but he was factually completely wrong.
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Speaker 6: Well, China issued, in accordance with practice, an alert that
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Speaker 6: it would be conducting these activities, including the potential use
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Speaker 6: of live fire. It's outside of Australia's Exclusive economic zone.
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Speaker 2: The only way you knew about this was because a
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Speaker 2: Virgin pilot heard about it and called in it.
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Speaker 3: So is it the case that Defense was only notified
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Speaker 3: via Virgin and Air Services Australia twenty eight minutes after
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Speaker 3: the firing window commenced.
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Speaker 7: Yes, as the.
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Speaker 2: Chief of Defense Force made clear and centered estimates yesterday,
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Speaker 2: Australia had no formal notification whatsoever. The Chinese broadcast and
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Speaker 2: general warning to the world that was picked up by
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Speaker 2: a Virgin pilot ten minutes after the window of fire
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Speaker 2: had opened, and was then sent onto other flights so
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Speaker 2: that they could divert out of the area. Now, later
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Speaker 2: on from that, a New Zealand frigate also sent us
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Speaker 2: a warning. Now why this matter is that live military
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Speaker 2: fire in the area of a commercial aircraft is what
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Speaker 2: brought down MH seventeen, killing all two hundred and eighty
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Speaker 2: three passengers and fifteen crew on board. So this isn't
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Speaker 2: a small issue. But it wasn't just the Prime minister
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Speaker 2: asleep at the wheel. We only discovered all of this
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Speaker 2: thanks to a commercial pilot and then the New Zealand
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Speaker 2: Navy when our military should have been all over this
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Speaker 2: intrusion into our home waters. But this is of a
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Speaker 2: peace with a prime minister who didn't protest after the
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Speaker 2: Chinese leader to the Chinese leader after their navy injured
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Speaker 2: our divers, and a government that's consistently making excuses for
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Speaker 2: belligerent acts from China, and a futile attempt to say
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Speaker 2: come election time that relations have been normalized. This Prime
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Speaker 2: minister is too busy smearing Peter Dutton to look after
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Speaker 2: Australia's national security, and last Friday, when all of this happened,
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Speaker 2: he was too busy labor fundraiser for his candidates in
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Speaker 2: the Ilawara. Unlike prime ministers in the past that would
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Speaker 2: have immediately returned to Canberra got themselves are face to
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Speaker 2: face briefing and issued a formal statement. This one does
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Speaker 2: none of that and all but goes into hiding as
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Speaker 2: the great China apologist. He's shown himself to be. Quite simply,
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi cannot be trusted to stand up for Australia.
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Speaker 2: Let's get the headlines now. Scun's political reporter Treddy Macintosh.
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Speaker 8: Health insurance premiums are set to jump by their biggest
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Speaker 8: increase in seven years.
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Speaker 3: Of course, this will be an impost on all households
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Speaker 3: at a tough time.
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Speaker 1: I understand that, but I've squeezed the best possible deal
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Speaker 1: out of private health insurers.
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Speaker 8: From April one, Australians with health insurance face an average
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Speaker 8: three point seven percent increase in premiums. Some providers will
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Speaker 8: be much higher. So this is as low as we
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Speaker 8: can go and still be able to pay our hospitals properly.
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Speaker 8: And the Opposition turning the heat back up on the
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Speaker 8: Prime Minister over the Chinese warship.
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Speaker 9: Off the coast well and that he's misled the Australian people.
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Speaker 9: This is a very serious claim to be made against
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Speaker 9: a Prime minister, but he is at odds with the
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Speaker 9: sworn testimony of the Chief of the Defense Force.
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Speaker 8: The fight centers on whether the PM was right to
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Speaker 8: claim that Defense was given notice at the Life fire
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Speaker 8: drills last week, so.
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Speaker 3: We were provided defense letters.
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Speaker 4: Both statements are correct.
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Speaker 3: It is not the same thing to say we receive
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Speaker 3: notice and there was no advanced notice provided when.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister made clear that there was a notification
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Speaker 2: from the Chinese, but in the same breath made clear
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Speaker 2: that that notification was inadequate.
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Speaker 8: And Guitar Airways has been given the green light by
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Speaker 8: the Treasurer to take a stake in Virgin Australia. It
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Speaker 8: paves the way for the carrier to resume long haul
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Speaker 8: international flights.
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Speaker 10: It means more options and more flights for Australians.
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Speaker 3: Increasing competition in our aviation sector should have happened two
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Speaker 3: years ago, and instead Australians have been paying more.
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Speaker 8: Trudy Macintosh Sky News canbra.
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Speaker 11: Do I mean now?
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Speaker 2: Cam Redden from our Canberra bureau, Cam. It was still
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Speaker 2: a feature of politics today, the debate about what the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister told the Australian public. That's now been contested
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Speaker 2: I guess by the Chief of the Defense Force. He's
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Speaker 2: an admiral, so we know he's obviously warship behavior very detailed.
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Speaker 2: He makes it clear that they did not have the notice.
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Speaker 2: The notice in fact came via a Virgin Airline pilot
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Speaker 2: and the New Zealand Navy. Now I made the point
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Speaker 2: at the top of the show the Prime Minister on
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Speaker 2: that Friday was up in the Illawarra, you know, with
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Speaker 2: his candidates fundraising for labor. Now there's a pattern here
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Speaker 2: for me. When we had that synagogue attacked in Melbourne,
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Speaker 2: he flew to Perth for campaigning as well. He didn't
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Speaker 2: go to Melbourne, we went off to campaign in Perth,
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Speaker 2: and I get no sense that he prioritizes security briefings
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Speaker 2: from experts when these really serious events happen.
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Speaker 12: We have been playing catch up for the last couple
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Speaker 12: of days at Phil's Peter, trying to fill the blanks
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Speaker 12: in with this. We've got a bit more clarity through
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Speaker 12: the Senate estimates process. It got a bit murky given
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Speaker 12: the timeframe of how late this notice was from China.
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Speaker 12: Exactly who figured out You mentioned that we kind of
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Speaker 12: half found out from New Zealand, half found out through
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Speaker 12: the Virgin Airlines flight. So the timeline here is difficult
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Speaker 12: because China clearly did break with those conventions normally a
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Speaker 12: couple of days at least of notice and given here.
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Speaker 12: But on this particular issue of the ships, you're right,
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Speaker 12: this is a real political challenge for the Prime minister
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Speaker 12: because keep in mind, one of the shining achievements that
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Speaker 12: the Albanezi government holds up, particularly on foreign affairs, is
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Speaker 12: the stabilizing of relations with China, the return of trade,
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Speaker 12: and now that progress is being challenged on the eve
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Speaker 12: of an election. So even once we get to the
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Speaker 12: bottom of exactly what happened with the time frame here,
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Speaker 12: the real question, I think, or the real challenge is
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Speaker 12: what comes next beyond when these ships return to shore.
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Speaker 12: They're currently south of Hobart seemingly navigating the country or
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Speaker 12: something like that.
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Speaker 7: Is this the.
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Speaker 12: First lot of ships, is at the last lot of ships?
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Speaker 12: How does that relationship change? Those are the unknowns that
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Speaker 12: we don't really know even once those ships return home.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you say stabilization, that's Labour's claim. But you can
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Speaker 2: stabilize anything when you subordinate yourself to the other nation state,
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Speaker 2: and that's effectively what we've done all the way along.
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Speaker 2: Camp Remember he was in the United States when we
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Speaker 2: had our pilots hit with a laser, and he didn't
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Speaker 2: announce that to the public, was not known to Australians
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Speaker 2: until he hot footed it on the plane and was
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Speaker 2: in the air and could not then be questioned about
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Speaker 2: it from the journalists. I mean, you're a journalist. You're
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Speaker 2: going to be on the campaign trial with the Prime minister.
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Speaker 2: I think he should face some real heat in the
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Speaker 2: election campaign on this stuff.
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Speaker 12: It'll be a test for sure, Peter, because this is
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Speaker 12: the real first inkling. I suppose that perhaps this might
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Speaker 12: be the next battleground or battlegrounds maybe not the right word,
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Speaker 12: but at at least the lext test of all of
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Speaker 12: this minister to minister relations, because as we know, during
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Speaker 12: the Morrison government a lot of that communication dried up.
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Speaker 12: We saw Penny Wong had the opportunity to raise this
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Speaker 12: with her Foreign minister counterpart over the weekend in South Africa.
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Speaker 12: What's the next round of those conversations, What do they
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Speaker 12: look like. Does that communication start to dry up a bit?
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Speaker 12: We don't yet know, because this will be really the
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Speaker 12: first test of pushback from the Albanese government. There might
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Speaker 12: have been progress on trade on this round of defense.
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Speaker 12: I think it's now three incidents in the last eighteen months,
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Speaker 12: including as you mentioned, those with the fighter jets. What
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Speaker 12: happens now? Is they going to be more? Do we
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Speaker 12: need to push back stronger? And at this time Peter,
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Speaker 12: on the eve of an election, it's pressure cooker moments
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Speaker 12: like this for the Foreign Minister, the Defense Minister, and
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Speaker 12: of course for the Prime Minister too.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's not forget that iron all they buy that
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Speaker 2: we crow about. You know, the trade relationship is the
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Speaker 2: same mine or they turn into steel to make into
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Speaker 2: these warships then float past our front door and we
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Speaker 2: have nothing to say about it. I'll leave that for
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Speaker 2: a bit later on the program. I'll come back to
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Speaker 2: this issue, the dirsh unit that's gone after Peter Dutton
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Speaker 2: so hard this week over those shares from what sixteen
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Speaker 2: years ago properties he has bought some thirty five years ago.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister, when pushed on this in the last
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Speaker 2: couple of days, has said, you know, nothing to do
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Speaker 2: with me. These are questions for Peter Dutton, but we
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Speaker 2: know it's got a lot to do with the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister and his office. Look at this footage from last
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Speaker 2: night on the ABC. This is the Labor MP Andrew Charleston,
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Speaker 2: have a listen.
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Speaker 13: What you're saying is the government had access to this information,
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Speaker 13: was in possession of that. Anthony Alberanezi was in possession
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Speaker 13: of this information before it was before it appeared in
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Speaker 13: the media. If it was of such enormous ethical importance
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Speaker 13: as you suggest, why not release it that day? Why
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Speaker 13: save it up?
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure it was up at all.
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Speaker 14: I think it was released promptly.
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Speaker 13: Well, how promptly? When did you become aware of it.
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Speaker 14: Reasonably shortly before it was made of oil?
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Speaker 13: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, mister Shelton, but what's reasonably.
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Speaker 2: Sir, very happy to answer this question.
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Speaker 13: It will have been a matter of days or weeks. Yeah,
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Speaker 13: days or weeks, so as long ago as seven days ago,
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Speaker 13: could have been more than seven days ago, more than
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Speaker 13: seven days ago. So the government has been sitting on
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Speaker 13: this piece of information for at least a week, but
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Speaker 13: could be more.
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Speaker 15: I'm not sure the government was sitting on it.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to explain a few things here because
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Speaker 2: I think this is really important for people at home.
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Speaker 2: Andrew Charlton is the Labor MP in the seat of Paramatta.
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Speaker 2: It's a marginal seat. Andrew Charlton was also Rudd's chief economist,
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Speaker 2: so a key advisor in Kevin Runn's office. He knows
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Speaker 2: how a prime minister's office runs. He admits there that
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Speaker 2: this dirt sheet on Peter Dutton comes from the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister's office. He makes that allegation very directly, and that
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Speaker 2: it is a matter of days and weeks. Certainly. He
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Speaker 2: confirms there over a week that those documents were cooked
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Speaker 2: up and sitting in the Prime Minister's office.
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Speaker 10: Yet we've got the.
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister cam out there in the last couple of
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Speaker 2: days saying, as I said, nothing to do with him.
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Speaker 2: I think this is getting dirty out by the moment.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, we yet to see whether there was any personal involvement.
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Speaker 12: Perhaps the office has gone about and done it their
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Speaker 12: own way.
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Speaker 3: We'll see.
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Speaker 12: I'm sure there'll be questions asked more so OVERMA where
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Speaker 12: this one. Maybe, I don't know. We will see. I
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Speaker 12: haven't seen a smoking gun, for lack of a better word,
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Speaker 12: but I suppose that's part of where the challenge is
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Speaker 12: for Labor in landing this to Peter, because we've even
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Speaker 12: seen in the attempts to land this on Peter Dutton,
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Speaker 12: the accusations themselves have been quite cagey because there are
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Speaker 12: some obvious legal implications if you make certain claims publicly,
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Speaker 12: rather than just putting some documents out there and letting
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Speaker 12: people make up their own minds. We've ever seen in
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Speaker 12: estimates over the last twenty four hours, Peter, he's a
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Speaker 12: blast from the past, Godwin Gretch and claims that he
17:58
Speaker 12: ofgate fame somehow involved in putting this package together, that
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Speaker 12: there might have been emails about informing senior liberals. We
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Speaker 12: don't know where any of these lines will go. It's
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Speaker 12: kind of just been putting some of the homework out
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Speaker 12: there and letting people make of it what they will.
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Speaker 12: We saw as well, Peter in the last day or
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Speaker 12: so Peter Dutton kind of using this to say, well, hey,
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Speaker 12: I'm a shrewd investor. I was just doing what any
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Speaker 12: reasonable investor would do and making a similar claim on
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Speaker 12: his properties, saying look I've done pretty well, and toning
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Speaker 12: it into a story of aspiration.
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Speaker 9: So that's clearly the.
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Speaker 12: Line he wants to go down. We'll see where any
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Speaker 12: of these avenues lead, Peter. But there is I think
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Speaker 12: an inclination from some people to once he gets a
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Speaker 12: bit confusing and we get right into the details. Some
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Speaker 12: people's eyes just claze over, but we yet to see.
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Speaker 12: We'll see if anything more comes of it.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Look, I make the point cos Samaras made last night
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Speaker 2: that he's sitting there in focus groups and none of
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Speaker 2: this mud slinging is changing a single vote. And at
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Speaker 2: the time that Andrew Chart was sitting in Rudd's office
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Speaker 2: during the GFC the time that if there was insider
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Speaker 2: information passed across to the opposition, he would know about it.
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Speaker 2: But he's definitely not making that claim. And I was
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Speaker 2: in the opposition leader's office at the time, and I
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Speaker 2: don't have any recollection at all of any briefing on
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Speaker 2: these sorts of issues. I know that Malcolm Turnble got
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Speaker 2: a briefing and at one stage, very early on in
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Speaker 2: relation to the GFC. I am assuming I don't know,
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Speaker 2: but I'm assuming Joe Hockey got one. But Peter Dutton,
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Speaker 2: he wasn't in the senior Economic team at all, he
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Speaker 2: was off as a health shadow. He did not get
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Speaker 2: a briefing. I know that Shadow Cabinet was not brief
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Speaker 2: because I was the secretary to Shadow Cabinet. I think
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Speaker 2: this is muck breaking in the extreme and if cos
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Speaker 2: Samarus is right, this is going to backfire on labor.
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Speaker 12: It's a cost of living election, Peter. And look, people
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Speaker 12: might look at this and they might see Peter Dutton saying, hey,
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Speaker 12: I just made a good bet really on the stock
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Speaker 12: market and it paid off for me, and then lean
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Speaker 12: into the aspiration. But at the end of the day,
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Speaker 12: is this going to swing a vote? Ah, you'd say unlikely.
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Speaker 12: I mean, at the end of the day, it is
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Speaker 12: the hip pocket people vote with, and whether or not
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Speaker 12: a political leader has done or right for themselves probably
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Speaker 12: isn't going to change somebody's mind.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just quickly on that cost of living data out
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Speaker 2: from Westpac today shows that out of pocket electricity costs
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Speaker 2: they have risen by thirty one percent since October and
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Speaker 2: they are forecasting a further rise of another thirty percent
20:31
Speaker 2: by the end of the year. If those three hundred
20:34
Speaker 2: dollars subsidies from labor are not extended, well, I reckon
20:38
Speaker 2: in the campaign that's exactly what the Prime Minister is
20:40
Speaker 2: going to have to do in order to buy votes,
20:42
Speaker 2: isn't he.
20:44
Speaker 12: Well, the long expectation is Peter, that they would extend
20:47
Speaker 12: this rebate. They haven't done it yet probably, as you say,
20:49
Speaker 12: if they're going to saving it for the campaign. The
20:51
Speaker 12: Coalition has said they don't want to match that. They
20:53
Speaker 12: believe it's just temporary help, that it could even be inflationary.
20:56
Speaker 12: I use this metaphor all the time. It's like pushing
20:59
Speaker 12: down on a mat where if you're going to artificially
21:02
Speaker 12: really lower the price of electricity with a rebate, at
21:05
Speaker 12: some point, if you take the hand off the mattress,
21:07
Speaker 12: it springs back up. Labour's hope was it wouldn't spring
21:10
Speaker 12: back to such a higher level that inflation would have
21:12
Speaker 12: come down. Maybe it's not as bad as it could
21:14
Speaker 12: have been, but it will still be a jump a
21:16
Speaker 12: bit like things with the low middle income tax offset,
21:18
Speaker 12: the Lomado Peter. It's easy to give these things out,
21:21
Speaker 12: including rebates, really hard to take away because even if
21:25
Speaker 12: you've helped in the short term, people feel like when
21:28
Speaker 12: they've run out, up go the prices and they don't
21:30
Speaker 12: really feel much better off, even if they are slightly
21:33
Speaker 12: in the margins.
21:36
Speaker 2: You know, wrong, Cam, Thank you a bit of a
21:38
Speaker 2: challenge now from me to Andrew Cht and Andrew Charlton. You
21:42
Speaker 2: were there in Rudd's office, you were the chief economic advisor.
21:45
Speaker 2: If the coalition at any time when I was working
21:48
Speaker 2: for the opposition, was briefed, you would know about it.
21:52
Speaker 2: You would have been in the room. So I challenge
21:55
Speaker 2: you if you briefed Peter Dutton on anything to do
22:00
Speaker 2: with government policy in relation to bailing out the banks,
22:04
Speaker 2: Put up or shut up?
22:06
Speaker 16: All right?
22:07
Speaker 2: That's got is run now. Overnight, tens of thousands of
22:10
Speaker 2: Israelis line the streets to say goodbye to Serri Babbas
22:13
Speaker 2: and her two little boys, Kafir and Ariel, tragically murdered,
22:17
Speaker 2: we know now by Hummas terrorists. At the time they
22:19
Speaker 2: were abducted, Kafir was nine months old, Ariel was four,
22:25
Speaker 2: and they have become sadly a symbol of the fact
22:27
Speaker 2: that Hummas's barbarism knows no bounds. The boy's dad, the
22:32
Speaker 2: husband of Shiry, held back tears as he said goodbye
22:36
Speaker 2: to his family.
22:38
Speaker 14: You are the best wife and mother there could be, Cheri.
22:41
Speaker 14: You are my best friend, missie, who will help me
22:45
Speaker 14: make decisions?
22:46
Speaker 15: Now?
22:47
Speaker 14: How am I supposed to make decisions without you? If
22:50
Speaker 14: you remember our last decision together in the safe room,
22:53
Speaker 14: I asked if we should fight or surrender? You said, fight.
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Speaker 3: Chery.
22:59
Speaker 14: I'm sorry I couldn't text. If only I had known
23:02
Speaker 14: what would happen, I would look fired.
23:06
Speaker 2: Joining me the president of the Australian Jewish Association, David Adler.
23:13
Speaker 2: I am almost at the point, David, where I cannot
23:16
Speaker 2: be shocked anymore by what we've seen coming out of Israel,
23:21
Speaker 2: or moved anymore by what I see out of Israel.
23:24
Speaker 2: And then I watched this funeral procession and tens of
23:27
Speaker 2: thousands of Israelis lining the streets. I think about those
23:30
Speaker 2: two little boys. I think about their mum, all buried
23:34
Speaker 2: together tonight in the one coffin, as she held on
23:39
Speaker 2: to them for dear life when she was taken hostage.
23:42
Speaker 2: And I think of her husband left behind. And I
23:47
Speaker 2: say to anyone in this country, if you have stood
23:49
Speaker 2: up for Palestine, if you've protested for Palestine, if you've
23:52
Speaker 2: given cover to hermas tonight, you've got to hang your
23:56
Speaker 2: head in shame.
23:59
Speaker 10: Absolutely, Peter, this tragedy, this barbaric example, this beyond words,
24:11
Speaker 10: has become symbolic of the whole conflict. The youngest hostages
24:18
Speaker 10: were the Bibas children. The youngest was just nine months,
24:24
Speaker 10: and it does get seriously bad beyond imagination when the
24:31
Speaker 10: forensic results of their death were released, and Israel is
24:37
Speaker 10: saying that in about November twenty twenty three, in other words,
24:42
Speaker 10: one month after the seventh of October terrorism, they were murdered.
24:49
Speaker 10: The kids were murdered with bare hands, strangled. Now there
24:55
Speaker 10: are medical signs that you can detect when that happens.
25:00
Speaker 10: Won't go into the detail. It's pretty gory stuff. But
25:03
Speaker 10: can you imagine these terrorists strangling to death these young children,
25:12
Speaker 10: and then using the information as propaganda. This is the
25:21
Speaker 10: cultural difference between a democratic society, which is Israel, which
25:28
Speaker 10: values life, which values human rights, versus the extreme barbaric
25:35
Speaker 10: terrorists that we see in Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Ghad.
25:40
Speaker 10: And if ever you wanted the peak example of the
25:46
Speaker 10: dangers of bringing certain cultures together, this is it. And
25:51
Speaker 10: the Bibas family will be remembered forever as emblematic of
25:56
Speaker 10: this conflict, and anyone who supports the side that did
26:01
Speaker 10: this really a tragically misguided. They've swallowed all the worst
26:09
Speaker 10: of the propaganda that you can imagine.
26:14
Speaker 2: Let's trace those comments you've just made then about values
26:19
Speaker 2: all the way through to our foreign minister, because we
26:22
Speaker 2: now have learned that when she was at the United
26:25
Speaker 2: Nations for official meetings, we know who Pennywong met. We
26:29
Speaker 2: now know who she did not meet. It's telling. Here's
26:34
Speaker 2: an exchange with a little Senator Dave Shama, of course,
26:37
Speaker 2: former ambassador to Israel, and estimates.
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Speaker 17: Did you have any meetings with Israel, Israeli's representatives or
26:44
Speaker 17: ministers or leaders.
26:46
Speaker 4: My recollection is the foreign Minister of Israel did not attend.
26:50
Speaker 4: Had foreign minister attended, I would have that opportunity.
26:56
Speaker 17: Did you seek a meeting with Israel or Israel's.
26:58
Speaker 4: Representatives my counterpart didn't attend.
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Speaker 17: I mean, I think promised to Natigno, who was there.
27:04
Speaker 17: The Israeli permanent representative is obviously there.
27:08
Speaker 4: Well, Senator I would usually engage with counterparts, So.
27:16
Speaker 2: She didn't meet anyone from Israel, not the leader, not
27:21
Speaker 2: other senior representatives. She's using sort of a BS get
27:25
Speaker 2: out of jail clause that her counterpart wasn't there. But
27:28
Speaker 2: I've seen plenty of examples where foreign ministers meet with
27:31
Speaker 2: others than their counterpart. But this was made worse, David
27:34
Speaker 2: by the fact she did have a sit down with
27:37
Speaker 2: Iranian officials and officials from the Palestinian Authority, and none
27:42
Speaker 2: of them have foreign ministers that I understand that she
27:45
Speaker 2: met with, and not counterparts in that respect. This is
27:50
Speaker 2: I think this is outrageous.
27:53
Speaker 10: Peter, it's outrageous, it's disgraceful. It tells you everything you
27:57
Speaker 10: need to know about Foreign Minister Penny wog and we
28:01
Speaker 10: would say she is the worst foreign minister this country
28:05
Speaker 10: has ever had, certainly with regard to Middle East policy.
28:10
Speaker 10: She went to the UN in order to make a
28:13
Speaker 10: speech which is now infamous, highly critical of Israel, basically
28:18
Speaker 10: telling Israel not to fight Hamas and Gaza not to
28:21
Speaker 10: fight Hesbelah in Lebanon, and advocated for the establishment of
28:30
Speaker 10: a Palestinian state. So not only did she fail to
28:35
Speaker 10: consult with the Israeli representatives that were there in order
28:40
Speaker 10: to perhaps better understand the implications of the content of
28:44
Speaker 10: the speech, but she had meetings with the representatives of Iran,
28:50
Speaker 10: she had meetings with the representatives of the Palestinian Authority,
28:55
Speaker 10: and she had a meeting with representatives of UNRA, though
29:00
Speaker 10: there's overwhelming evidence of their association with Hamas. So she
29:04
Speaker 10: basically had an agenda to meet with the enemies of
29:08
Speaker 10: Israel while ignoring and not meeting with the representatives of
29:14
Speaker 10: Israel from whom she actually might have learnt something to
29:18
Speaker 10: moderate her speech. So if we were not so close
29:22
Speaker 10: to an election, I think there'd be a very good
29:25
Speaker 10: case to demand her resignation. But now it's going to
29:29
Speaker 10: be up to the Australian people as to whether she
29:33
Speaker 10: will retain office or not in a matter of weeks.
29:36
Speaker 10: And the damage that she has done in Middle East
29:41
Speaker 10: policy has been dreadful. Well, it's recoverable with a change
29:47
Speaker 10: of direction, because there are she had values changing one
29:54
Speaker 10: hundred percent in terms of policy to the Middle East
29:58
Speaker 10: towards Israel. And she's also distanced us from the United
30:02
Speaker 10: States in this sphere as well. The Trump administration has
30:08
Speaker 10: become stronger in supporting Israel, in supporting the democratic ally
30:15
Speaker 10: of the Middle East. So we've not only distanced ourselves
30:18
Speaker 10: and done great damage to Israel, we're also distanced ourselves
30:22
Speaker 10: from our major defense ally, the United States.
30:28
Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, David, thank you for your time.
30:31
Speaker 2: After the break, i'll speak with our former senior Australian
30:34
Speaker 2: Federal Police officer about those students and their allah Akhaba
30:39
Speaker 2: chance led by their teachers, I might add, what can
30:42
Speaker 2: we do about it? Plas Tony Burke, what can we
30:45
Speaker 2: do about him? What can do at the minister and
30:48
Speaker 2: these Australians who attended the funeral of Hesbala's terrorist leader,
30:58
Speaker 2: welcome back. Still to come the daggering bill we are
31:00
Speaker 2: all paying for foreign owned wind farms in Australia. But
31:04
Speaker 2: first I want to return to those shocking scenes out
31:06
Speaker 2: of that Western Sydney public school as teachers actually led
31:10
Speaker 2: the students in that allah Ahba protest. Now, in that video,
31:24
Speaker 2: you've got teachers on loud hailers leading the chance. You've
31:27
Speaker 2: got teachers and students holding up the Palestinian and Lebanese flags.
31:33
Speaker 2: And since that video came to light, activists from an
31:35
Speaker 2: organization called Teachers and School Staff for Palestine or they
31:40
Speaker 2: have declared that they would continue their protests. Join me
31:43
Speaker 2: now to discuss this in more. Former Australian Federal Police
31:46
Speaker 2: Detective Superintendent David Craig, David, you've been at the forefront
31:51
Speaker 2: for decades on trying to stop radical views taking hold
31:55
Speaker 2: in this country. How concerned are you when you hear
31:58
Speaker 2: that teachers are actually not just endorsing but driving this
32:02
Speaker 2: sort of behavior.
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Speaker 7: Hi, Peter, Hi everybody. I'm extremely concerned about this, Peter.
32:10
Speaker 7: Young minds are very impressionable. You can tattoo hatred on
32:14
Speaker 7: their mind and that can last decades. Needn't remind anybody
32:19
Speaker 7: that just this time last week, Mike Burgess in the
32:22
Speaker 7: AZO Threat Assessment said that young people are being radicalized
32:26
Speaker 7: faster than ever. And the astonishing fact is that twenty
32:29
Speaker 7: percent of aso's terror caseload involves minus twenty percent. And
32:36
Speaker 7: here we have teachers parading emboldened by the lack of
32:40
Speaker 7: the federal government's stance on radical Islamic ideology, preaching poison
32:47
Speaker 7: and tattooing this hatred on these young people's minds, not
32:50
Speaker 7: giving them a chance to understand what Australian values really
32:53
Speaker 7: stand for.
32:56
Speaker 2: Now, put political resolve to one side, you know, the
32:59
Speaker 2: politicians actually wanting to do something about it. In practical terms,
33:03
Speaker 2: what can be done.
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Speaker 7: Well, We need the Education Department to step up and
33:09
Speaker 7: carry through with their policy of sanctioning the teachers involved
33:13
Speaker 7: with this. We need the police to actually provide support
33:19
Speaker 7: to the administration of the school if there is a
33:22
Speaker 7: trespass or have damage to property because as we've seen previously,
33:25
Speaker 7: these sorts of things, these types of radicalized people can
33:29
Speaker 7: escalate to violence very quickly. And if it turns into
33:32
Speaker 7: another opera house situation where the police are so reticent
33:35
Speaker 7: to do anything that it leaves the fear in the
33:38
Speaker 7: Jewish community and the wider Australian community's mind, then we
33:42
Speaker 7: are really failing the Australian people. We need to be
33:45
Speaker 7: on the front foot with this rapidly, David.
33:49
Speaker 2: My colleague Sharia revealed on a show that at least
33:51
Speaker 2: sex Australians. Now we don't know whether they're permanent residents,
33:56
Speaker 2: Australian citizens, dual nationals, but six of our own actually
34:00
Speaker 2: left Australia to attend the funeral of the slain terror
34:04
Speaker 2: leader has An Israela in Lebanon. Now we're told that
34:08
Speaker 2: these individuals at Sharry identify the being investigated, but there's
34:12
Speaker 2: pressure on the Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke to block
34:15
Speaker 2: their return to Australia. I mean, at the very least
34:19
Speaker 2: he could use temporary exclusion orders could now, I mean,
34:23
Speaker 2: this has got to be something that's on the table.
34:25
Speaker 7: Surely, absolutely absolutely better, look Tony Burke, if he has
34:30
Speaker 7: the courage to stand up for Australia and for Australian people.
34:35
Speaker 7: He's got mechanisms to deal with no matter what the
34:37
Speaker 7: statuses of these people. If they're dual citizens, we can
34:40
Speaker 7: cancel the Australian passport. If they're on a visa, we
34:43
Speaker 7: can cancel that. If they're Australian citizens, we can issue
34:46
Speaker 7: temporary exclusion order and that can keep the person in
34:49
Speaker 7: abeyance and under investigation from up to two years. And
34:52
Speaker 7: then if we grant them a permit to return to Australia,
34:56
Speaker 7: we can place on their conditions to ensure that they
34:59
Speaker 7: don't endure a risk to the Australian community.
35:05
Speaker 2: Your point before about radicalization, I mean having Australians there
35:10
Speaker 2: and then coming home and preaching in a mosque, let's say,
35:13
Speaker 2: or do an online forum with some of these young
35:16
Speaker 2: people that are already at the barricades. This is the
35:20
Speaker 2: real risk of that the AFP and AZL are concerned about,
35:22
Speaker 2: isn't it.
35:24
Speaker 7: That's right, and that's one of the considerations Tony Burt
35:26
Speaker 7: needs to make. First of all, were they involved with
35:29
Speaker 7: terrorism related activities? Well, I think that there's no doubt
35:32
Speaker 7: about that. You'd have to look at associating with members
35:35
Speaker 7: of a terrorist organization, if you're going to a tender
35:38
Speaker 7: has La super concert like it was, or advocating terrorism,
35:42
Speaker 7: that's praising, glorifying or encouraging terrorism. So and then would
35:47
Speaker 7: their return pose a risk? Well, I think common sense
35:50
Speaker 7: dictates that a risk of someone that would openly be
35:53
Speaker 7: supporting a World league terrorist leader mourning their death and
35:59
Speaker 7: the coming back to Australia is hardly going to come
36:01
Speaker 7: back and enforce Australian values and secularism.
36:06
Speaker 2: There's been some criticism internationally about Australia's new mandatory sentences
36:10
Speaker 2: for terrorism. As I said, you've been at the front
36:13
Speaker 2: line of the AFP. Do you think that these laws,
36:16
Speaker 2: these new laws are needed.
36:19
Speaker 7: One percent? They're needed. There's absolutely no doubt Peter that
36:23
Speaker 7: they're needed. The important thing is, apart from the deterrent factor,
36:28
Speaker 7: where people realize that if you engage in terrorism you
36:30
Speaker 7: will go to jail. We're not mucking around here. An
36:34
Speaker 7: important thing with mandatory sentencing is that it removes the
36:37
Speaker 7: judicial discretion. And some might criticize that, but I would
36:40
Speaker 7: say that there's a litany a really bad history of
36:44
Speaker 7: judges being hoodwinked, con tricked into allowing people out of
36:52
Speaker 7: more serious sentencing that they would otherwise get. Because someone
36:56
Speaker 7: was traumatized as a child, someone was a refugee, someone
36:58
Speaker 7: was hurt when they were a child, we need to
37:02
Speaker 7: have that discretion removed. So it's an absolute, strict and
37:05
Speaker 7: absolute offense. If you get involved with terrorism and you
37:08
Speaker 7: are found guilty, you will face.
37:11
Speaker 2: Child Bavid Craig, thank you, quind maclara. There after the break,
37:16
Speaker 2: I'll reveal exclusively just how much your giving as taxpayers
37:20
Speaker 2: to foreign companies as part of Australia's renewables rollout. Plus
37:24
Speaker 2: in the face of growing Chinese hostility, is a time
37:27
Speaker 2: we seriously upped our own defense budget. The panel or
37:30
Speaker 2: weigh in welcome back the Albanizer government scrambling to secure
37:38
Speaker 2: an exemption from Donald Trump's export tariffs. But the clock's ticking.
37:42
Speaker 2: The deadline is March twelve. Now that's likely to fall
37:45
Speaker 2: during an election campaign, which will elevate the political stakes
37:49
Speaker 2: even higher. But first let's return to Labour's reckless renewables
37:53
Speaker 2: roll out. A new research from the Institute of Public
37:56
Speaker 2: Affairs which is found that thirty five of the nation's
37:59
Speaker 2: fifty largest wind farms are either entirely or partially foreign owned.
38:04
Speaker 2: So that's seventy percent of these major wind farms that
38:08
Speaker 2: are at least partly owned by foreign corporations. But there's
38:12
Speaker 2: even more once you dig into the details. Jota be
38:15
Speaker 2: now to discuss this research fellow at the Institute of
38:18
Speaker 2: Public Affairs, Mia Schlitt. Mia, you and I have often
38:21
Speaker 2: talked about renewables and the fact that the government says
38:25
Speaker 2: they're cheap. We know they're not, that they're good environmental practice,
38:29
Speaker 2: we know they're not, and also that it's a good
38:33
Speaker 2: benefit to Australia. Well, when they're all foreign owned like
38:37
Speaker 2: this or good seventy percent of them, that's not the case.
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Speaker 11: Is that?
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Speaker 2: What have you found out?
38:41
Speaker 11: That's exactly right, Peter. Our research has found that of
38:44
Speaker 11: Australia's fifty largest operating wind farms, a majority of them
38:49
Speaker 11: are foreign owned. But now what Australians don't know what
38:52
Speaker 11: many of them aren't being told It is actually them
38:55
Speaker 11: who are being made to prop up this unreliable, inefficient
38:58
Speaker 11: and largely foreign owned industry. And that's because the federal
39:01
Speaker 11: government has established a scheme to support its reduction of
39:06
Speaker 11: emissions and basically what it mandates is it forces electricity
39:10
Speaker 11: retailers to purchase certificates from renewable energy power stations like
39:15
Speaker 11: wind farms, and this artificially inflates the demand for wind
39:19
Speaker 11: power and the costs of them passed on to consumers
39:21
Speaker 11: through increased power bills.
39:24
Speaker 2: And of course we pay the increased power bills. But
39:27
Speaker 2: with that becomes with that comes profit for these foreign
39:32
Speaker 2: owned wind farms, their heads offshore.
39:35
Speaker 11: That's exactly right. So ipay research has found that in
39:38
Speaker 11: twenty twenty four alone, Australians were made to pay over
39:41
Speaker 11: one billion dollars on their power bills and of this,
39:45
Speaker 11: six hundred and eighty nine million of that went to
39:49
Speaker 11: foreign owned wind farm companies. Now, this is unbelievable, in
39:53
Speaker 11: the midst of a cost of living crisis, that Australians
39:56
Speaker 11: who are barely affording their own power bills are now
39:59
Speaker 11: being for to line the pockets of foreign owned corporations.
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Speaker 11: It just shows how out of touch this federal government
40:06
Speaker 11: is of mainstream Australians.
40:08
Speaker 2: You were with me when we were up in the
40:09
Speaker 2: Mallley not so long ago, and we were hearing from
40:13
Speaker 2: people that were negotiating with the owners of wind farms
40:16
Speaker 2: who were trying to foist them on their nearby paddocks
40:20
Speaker 2: that they, you know, in a six or seven year period,
40:22
Speaker 2: had dealt with four or five six different companies, basically
40:26
Speaker 2: shelf companies. One will come in and start the process,
40:30
Speaker 2: sell off the interest to someone else. Another one comes
40:32
Speaker 2: along and so they these owners of farms say, we've
40:36
Speaker 2: got no idea who we're dealing with. They're all foreign
40:39
Speaker 2: owned companies nine times out of ten. And that's a
40:43
Speaker 2: concern because at the end of the life cycle fifteen
40:46
Speaker 2: sixteen years of these wind farms, who's going to decommission them.
40:50
Speaker 2: Who's going to be the cost to bring down these
40:53
Speaker 2: turbines to make the land safe and clean again.
40:57
Speaker 11: Well, that's exactly the problem. So even in an instance
41:00
Speaker 11: where a landholder does engage in effective consultation, and from
41:04
Speaker 11: our experience on the road, we just know that's not
41:06
Speaker 11: what's happening. But in the rare circumstance where there is consultation,
41:11
Speaker 11: those original terms that agreed upon by the landholder and
41:15
Speaker 11: the owner of that company may not even follow the
41:18
Speaker 11: full term of the life of these wind farms, because,
41:20
Speaker 11: as you said, these companies change hands time and time again.
41:24
Speaker 11: It goes to shelf companies, it goes to subsidiaries, and
41:26
Speaker 11: a lot of those times the initial agreements are lost
41:30
Speaker 11: and when it comes to things like decommissioning the wind turbines,
41:34
Speaker 11: that cost is then passed on to the landholder. So
41:37
Speaker 11: whilst some of these farmers are being promised a couple
41:40
Speaker 11: of tens of thousands of dollars each year to manage
41:43
Speaker 11: these wind farms, at the end of that the cost
41:45
Speaker 11: of decommissioning these turbines can be up to seven hundred
41:49
Speaker 11: thousand dollars, and that any benefit that was gained over
41:52
Speaker 11: that twenty five year life cycle of that wind turbine
41:55
Speaker 11: is immediately lost.
41:57
Speaker 2: Thank you, ma'am. We'll have another update too with me
41:59
Speaker 2: as ues that advised me in the break that there
42:01
Speaker 2: has been a license granted to TCV. This is the
42:04
Speaker 2: company that was building the transmission line from Citty to Melbourne.
42:07
Speaker 2: TCV stands for Transmission Company Victoria. She'll tell me if
42:12
Speaker 2: that's right, Transmission Company Victoria TCV. They now have got
42:16
Speaker 2: a particular type of license that will enable them to
42:20
Speaker 2: go on to a farmer's land and compulsorily acquire it
42:24
Speaker 2: to roll at these transmission lines. That's done by a
42:27
Speaker 2: government agency with the government's blessing. Obviously, the NFF, the
42:30
Speaker 2: VFF Farmers Federation's absolutely silent. I'll get the opposition on
42:35
Speaker 2: next week to find out what they are saying. All right,
42:37
Speaker 2: quick break. After the break, experts call for Australia to
42:39
Speaker 2: follow the UK's lead and increase our defense budget. Plus
42:43
Speaker 2: Fadam her Payman more on that her spooking for Iran
42:47
Speaker 2: gets worse. Welcome back. Let's bring my International Panel sky
42:55
Speaker 2: and is contributed to Kosher Gada and the past chair
42:57
Speaker 2: of Parliament's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee. Man is he
43:00
Speaker 2: still We'll see Michael Danby. Let's go if I can
43:04
Speaker 2: koshit to the contradiction now, And it's more than a
43:07
Speaker 2: contradiction because you've got sworn evidence from the Chief of
43:14
Speaker 2: the Defense Force, Admiral David Johnson. You haven't got sworn
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Speaker 2: testimony from a prime minister. You've got spin from a
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Speaker 2: prime minister. But Johnson makes it clear Australia was not
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Speaker 2: warned in the way Prime Minister said. Now he's hiding
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Speaker 2: under the bed. He's not giving us a proper explanation.
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Speaker 2: This is China he is the Prime Minister. We deserve
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Speaker 2: some answers.
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Speaker 16: Absolutely so as a political matter and communications matter. It's
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Speaker 16: a terrible look because, as you said, it's not believable.
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Speaker 16: They're kind of trying to hide behind semantics and thensing
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Speaker 16: words and nobody is believing it, which makes him look
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Speaker 16: weak and doesn't help his keys. But more importantly, substantively,
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Speaker 16: it's a big deal because it's another example on the
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Speaker 16: continuum of just there isn't a coherent policy as it
43:56
Speaker 16: relates to China on a whole host of dimensions, and
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Speaker 16: this really is an opening for people on oiverside to
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Speaker 16: actually wedge into that and get into everything from immigration
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Speaker 16: policy to foreign investment, to technology and everything in between,
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Speaker 16: including defense. And nobody seems to be taking that.
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Speaker 2: What's wrong with your mob, I mean Labour say we
44:14
Speaker 2: have stabilized the relationship with China, right The PM beats
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Speaker 2: his chest about that all the time. We'll hear it
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Speaker 2: in the campaign. I say, they haven't stabilized the relationship.
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Speaker 2: We have subordinated ourselves to China.
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Speaker 14: In the past.
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Speaker 15: Kim Beasley would have seen a PC three O Ryan
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Speaker 15: to monitor those ships. These people don't seem to take
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Speaker 15: national security. Seriously, Richard Miles's fascicle when he says that
44:35
Speaker 15: we should all calm down. I mean he should get
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Speaker 15: a rocket and become more active on this thing.
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Speaker 3: It's terrible that news.
44:42
Speaker 2: Hopeless.
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Speaker 15: New Zealand has lost the Cook Islands to the Chinese apparently,
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Speaker 15: and the frigate didn't inform us for ninety minutes and
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Speaker 15: they had a DEI officer steer a ship into a reef.
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Speaker 15: So we haven't got much support from them. But Australia
44:56
Speaker 15: is hopeless. As Greg Sheridan says, you know submarin thirty yes,
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Speaker 15: aren't going to help us now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's shocking talk to me about this
45:05
Speaker 2: pro Iran event in Australia. Not only did we have
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Speaker 2: those comments from Fatima Payment that you know Iran was
45:13
Speaker 2: women in Iran were treated better than in the West.
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Speaker 2: We know that's not the case. We have that horrible
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Speaker 2: situation not so long ago where a woman removed her
45:22
Speaker 2: head scarf and then later lost her life. But kase
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Speaker 2: a trad and he has a long history in Australia.
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Speaker 2: He said, no, I quote, I was impressed with the
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Speaker 2: level of power they had. This is women, the intelligence
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Speaker 2: they had, their an analytical mind, their ability to ask
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Speaker 2: pertinent questions, and their assertiveness. This is women in Iran.
45:38
Speaker 2: He's talking them much, but he's the same bloke who
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Speaker 2: said in twenty seventeen that a man should only hit
45:43
Speaker 2: his wife as a last resort. I mean, what are
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Speaker 2: we doing in this country sprooking for Iran?
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Speaker 16: Absolutely, And the first part of what he said, it's true.
45:52
Speaker 16: They are intelligent and analytical, and not the second part.
45:54
Speaker 16: They only don't have the ability to speak their mind.
45:56
Speaker 16: Everybody knows it. I think this is another downstream consequence
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Speaker 16: of the experiment of immigration and multiculturalism, where you import
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Speaker 16: people with very different values. Now they're part of a
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Speaker 16: big part of the labor base and even a little
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Speaker 16: bit on the other side. They need to be pandered to,
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Speaker 16: and that's probably what's behind this, because everybody knows the facts,
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Speaker 16: but it's sort of pandering to maybe people on the
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Speaker 16: western side of Sydney or wherever else that he's going
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Speaker 16: for and trying to tell us. Don believe you're lying eyes,
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Speaker 16: But I believe that.
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Speaker 15: Was a great interview you did with the detective inspector
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Speaker 15: from the AFP. He said out perfectly what you have
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Speaker 15: to do you should deny these people entry if they're
46:29
Speaker 15: dual citizens as a message as the Chinese say, kill
46:34
Speaker 15: the chicken to scare the monkeys.
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Speaker 2: Douglas Mary said to me, and I read it. I
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Speaker 2: reiterated it tonight on the show and in my column.
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Speaker 2: He says, we're comfortable in the West having a conversation
46:43
Speaker 2: about how many migrants we take and how quickly we
46:46
Speaker 2: take the Michael, but we're not yet comfortable having a
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Speaker 2: conversation about the composition who they are, where they're from,
46:54
Speaker 2: and particularly the values that well.
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Speaker 15: A couple of them threaten to murder people on TV. What's
46:59
Speaker 15: next to that? We have to actually do it before
47:01
Speaker 15: this becomes something that people understand is of interest to
47:05
Speaker 15: all Australians.
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Speaker 2: How do we have teachers though out there in a
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Speaker 2: loud haylight at a public primary school, high school it
47:12
Speaker 2: might have been sorry telling these kids, you know, whipping
47:16
Speaker 2: them into a frenzy about al Akba.
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Speaker 15: Well, the Department of Education should have been out there
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Speaker 15: shuffling the students and teachers inside, and the af the
47:25
Speaker 15: New South Wales Police should have been there as well too.
47:27
Speaker 15: It's a disgrace these people threatened to murder people on
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Speaker 15: TV and their preacher, their school counselor and the school
47:35
Speaker 15: teachers shouldn't be out there adulating that.
47:38
Speaker 2: Talk to me about Doge because it's certainly turning the
47:42
Speaker 2: tables in the United States. We saw Elon Musk at
47:44
Speaker 2: a cabinet meeting today. Is larger than life anyway. But
47:48
Speaker 2: I mean, with this job is going gangbusters. He has though,
47:51
Speaker 2: lost about a third of his team, isn't that right?
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Speaker 10: Yes?
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Speaker 16: I mean, what's that about some turn and his team
47:58
Speaker 16: is a very lean team, a very young people. Some
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Speaker 16: of them actually been absorbed into different departments. Some of
48:02
Speaker 16: them maybe you are going back because they've given up very
48:04
Speaker 16: high paying jobs to come and help the country. And
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Speaker 16: maybe the pressure and all of that may not be
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Speaker 16: for everybody, but I think he's very comfortable with that
48:11
Speaker 16: because he's bringing startup energy and startup peace to the
48:15
Speaker 16: most entrench, slow turning organization in the world, and so
48:19
Speaker 16: he's comfortable with those kinds of things. He's done it
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Speaker 16: at Twitter now X and he's trying to bring even
48:23
Speaker 16: as semblance of that into the government. It's only upside
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Speaker 16: and actually.
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Speaker 10: What happened is very popular.
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Speaker 15: The coaches in Australia because otherwise she's.
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Speaker 2: A startup quint and that's why she got that question
48:33
Speaker 2: just quickly. This minerals deal in Ukraine and the likelihood
48:37
Speaker 2: it will be signed off by Zelinsky, but he is
48:39
Speaker 2: in Washington.
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Speaker 10: Good thing.
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Speaker 2: This is a positive move back, the relaxing back.
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Speaker 15: From the brink, Americans still supplying weapons, Rubio and everyone conceded.
48:50
Speaker 15: The Russians did invade Ukraine. People are being killed there
48:54
Speaker 15: every night by Russian missiles on cities. And if if,
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Speaker 15: if Graham Richardson says whatever it takes to get a
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Speaker 15: deal done, that's good. I think some of the rhetoric
49:06
Speaker 15: has been appalling and scared the hell out of the Europeans,
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Speaker 15: but it looks like this will work in Zelenski's a
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Speaker 15: brave man to go to Washington and stand in Donald
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Speaker 15: Trump's lines.
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Speaker 2: Den Well, he's a man who's pretty his country first,
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Speaker 2: nothing else. And of course with the Europeans, it's certainly
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Speaker 2: got a few of them to talk about lifting their
49:22
Speaker 2: defense budgets. Thank you for you both. That's it for
49:25
Speaker 2: they see next week on Monday. I'll be back up
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Speaker 2: next though, and a bolt