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The Kenny Report | 1 June · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Good on your ross, Thank you for that. Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the Kenny Report. Obviously I'm not Chrissy's away for a week.
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  Speaker 1: Steve Price with you on what's shaping up at another
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  Speaker 1: huge week in national politics coming up here. It is
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  Speaker 1: the sort of poll to give you nightmares if you
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  Speaker 1: are a conservative politician at a state or federal level.
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  Speaker 1: It's the Redheaded Revolution led by Pauline Hanson and her
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  Speaker 1: One Nation Party now with their nose in front of
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  Speaker 1: labor on the primary vote. Redbridge's Christy McSweeney straight up tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Also tonight, Victoria's youth crime crisis has reached new levels
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  Speaker 1: of violence and damage as soft bail laws continue to
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  Speaker 1: release back into the community dangerous offenders. Brad Baton, the
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  Speaker 1: Shadow Police Minister, will join us on the desk plus
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  Speaker 1: as we have a national debate as we are about entrepreneurship,
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  Speaker 1: startups and encouraging Australians to start ossie businesses like the
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  Speaker 1: co founder of a very ozzy restaurant chain, The Outback Steakhouse,
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  Speaker 1: will join us to talk about entrepreneurship. But first, first
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  Speaker 1: though that pole you've been hearing about all day, first
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  Speaker 1: revealed yesterday online by the Financial Review, showing the one
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  Speaker 1: nation surge that first revealed itself in the South.
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  Speaker 2: A Minister.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what, I won't knock the job, Andrew,
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  Speaker 3: because I believe that I have the ability to do it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to underestimate myself or say no, I
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  Speaker 3: can't do it.
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  Speaker 1: To her credit, Pauline didn't quite take the bait from Andrew,
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  Speaker 1: illustrating for me that the surgeon her popularity has given
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  Speaker 1: Senator Hanson a confidence she once rarely displayed and for
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  Speaker 1: her to be even asked if she wanted to be
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  Speaker 1: the Prime Minister is not something I would have ever
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  Speaker 1: imagined hearing in my life. The polling numbers are beyond
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  Speaker 1: belief now. As Pauline herself has said, the only pilot
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  Speaker 1: really matters is on polling day, and she's right and
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  Speaker 1: has been proven twice now that people asked in a
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  Speaker 1: poll if they'll vote one nation AIDS and say yes,
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  Speaker 1: then required to vote actually hanging tough and voting for
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  Speaker 1: one nation South Australia and Farah on primary one nation.
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  Speaker 1: Now I outrage the Labor Party and you can start
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  Speaker 1: and hear Labor getting worried, they will now pull out
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  Speaker 1: every piece of political damage they have on Pauline Hanson herself.
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  Speaker 1: They will dig up Barnaby Joyce dirt and every candidate
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  Speaker 1: that puts their hand up to stand for One Nation
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  Speaker 1: in two years time federally or in the November state
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  Speaker 1: election here in Victoria, those candidates will need to realize
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  Speaker 1: that everything they have ever done wrong, no matter how innocently,
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  Speaker 1: will be aired publicly. Here was Treasurer at Jim Charmers
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  Speaker 1: this afternoon in Brisbane, and note the tying together of
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  Speaker 1: the Liberals, Nationals and One Nation, calling them a three
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  Speaker 1: ring circus of the right.
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  Speaker 4: Now, the difference between us and the three ring circus
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  Speaker 4: on the right of politics is that we are doing
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  Speaker 4: something about those legitimate concerns that people have, including whether
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  Speaker 4: or not our kids and grandkids will have the same
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  Speaker 4: sorts of opportunities that we have had.
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  Speaker 1: Get set to hear the three ring circus line over
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  Speaker 1: and over again. Look has the best behind the scenes
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  Speaker 1: political machine in the country federally and in the state branches,
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  Speaker 1: and they know how to run a scare campaign better
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  Speaker 1: than anyone else in Australia. But if you go back
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  Speaker 1: and listen to any recent Hanson interviews here on Sky.
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  Speaker 1: She is now more measured than ever. And what One
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  Speaker 1: Nation is tapping into is a disillusioned electorates sick of
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  Speaker 1: big politics. Have a look.
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  Speaker 3: We are going to call the government and future governments,
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  Speaker 3: whether it's the Labor all though coalition and government or
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  Speaker 3: ourselves for that matter, but there has to be accountability
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  Speaker 3: for the people, and that's all they've been crying out for.
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  Speaker 3: Don't forget about us, you know you work for us.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 1: One labor tactic will be to align Hanson, of course
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  Speaker 1: with President Donald Trump. Well, I'd say, go your hardest,
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  Speaker 1: because it's exactly the US voters sick of the traditional
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  Speaker 1: American Washington types that saw Donald Trump re elected for
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  Speaker 1: a second time. I mean, here's Pauline confirming One Nation
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  Speaker 1: will continue to stand candidates in every nationally. Will you
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  Speaker 1: run candidates in every lower House seat of the next
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  Speaker 1: federal election.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, And we had done it for the last previous
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  Speaker 6: two or three elections. We've got so many good people
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  Speaker 6: coming on board. Just let you know that for Victoria,
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  Speaker 6: we've had eleven hundred expressions of interest to standards candidates
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  Speaker 6: for one nation for the next day election. We've had
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  Speaker 6: fifteen hundred people applied to their candidates for the federal election.
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  Speaker 7: Do you hear that?
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  Speaker 1: Eleven hundred people to put their hand up already?
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  Speaker 5: Now?
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  Speaker 1: Look, I first voted. I'm aging myself here dreadfully in
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  Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy four federal election as a naive nineteen
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  Speaker 1: year old who used to anger my father by insisting
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  Speaker 1: out of work hours wearing a blue moratorium badge protesting
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  Speaker 1: against the Vietnam War. I seriously can't remember, but I
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  Speaker 1: suspect I voted for Gough Whitlam's Labor Party. Now GoF
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  Speaker 1: had called a double disillusion election just eighteen months after
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  Speaker 1: his historic win in November nineteen seventy two. It was
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  Speaker 1: a terrible government, but he's nuck back in losing just
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  Speaker 1: one seat holding a five seat majority on a negligible swing.
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  Speaker 1: I raise GoF in the context of young people and
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  Speaker 1: voting trends. Everyone talks about one nation's threat to the
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  Speaker 1: liberals and nationals, but I'm hearing young voters are buying
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  Speaker 1: the one nation story. Lower immigration, around the housing pressures
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  Speaker 1: in particular, but also the idea of putting the Australia
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  Speaker 1: back into Australians waking up to net zero, the flag,
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  Speaker 1: all of the things Pauline has talked about forever. They
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  Speaker 1: like her backstory from the fish and Chip shop, even
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  Speaker 1: her blunt way of speaking, and she's a very clever
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  Speaker 1: social media team behind her. And finally the big change.
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  Speaker 1: This is a big change. It's no longer a problem
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  Speaker 1: telling people that you want to vote one nation these polls.
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  Speaker 1: I've got to tell you there's spot on joining me
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  Speaker 1: now in the studio. Christy McSweeney read Bridge Insights Advisor.
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  Speaker 1: This latest result, it's no outlier. It's a trend that's
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  Speaker 1: been building since what about the middle of last year.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, so we've been tracking this since we've seen what's
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  Speaker 8: happening in the UK, and of course New Zealand is
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  Speaker 8: a multi party coalition government too, with those two conservative
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  Speaker 8: right wing parties. So we've been tracking in Australia trying
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  Speaker 8: to determine.
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  Speaker 9: Where the ceiling for one nation is.
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  Speaker 8: Towards the end of last year, their vote was about
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  Speaker 8: sixteen percent. Then come December post BONDI, they went up
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  Speaker 8: into the mid twenties until finally post this budget and
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  Speaker 8: the dissatisfaction across the majority of demographics in Australia. They're
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  Speaker 8: beating the Labor Party and they've nudged over there.
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  Speaker 1: We at the ceiling.
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  Speaker 9: I don't think we are, but we're probably close.
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  Speaker 8: If we look at my major parties in this country
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  Speaker 8: appolling roughly thirty percent each. If we throw one nation
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  Speaker 8: into the mix there, the Greens are still holding at
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  Speaker 8: twelve percent, and that block of minor parties, which are
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  Speaker 8: actually bigger in Victoria than anywhere else, is about ten percent.
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  Speaker 1: They peak too early, we'll see.
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  Speaker 9: We've got May twenty twenty eight, so.
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  Speaker 1: If we've got a November state election here, of.
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  Speaker 8: Course, yeah we do, and we're looking at how that's
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  Speaker 8: going to impact in Victoria. Of course, the coalition, the
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  Speaker 8: Liberal Party won the Nepean by election and it hasn't
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  Speaker 8: quite just but it hasn't quite mirrored this poll.
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  Speaker 1: Ye, and I think. I mean I live in that seat, Chesty,
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  Speaker 1: so I know that it's different to outer suburban Melbourne.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you've got everything there from homeless people sleeping
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  Speaker 1: in cars and a carpa to twenty million dollar mansions
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  Speaker 1: on a cliff. So it's a hard seat. What about
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  Speaker 1: the Seria mind about young people? Does that show up
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  Speaker 1: at all in the numbers.
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  Speaker 8: What's really interesting is these are the worst numbers we've
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  Speaker 8: seen for the majority of people who think Australia is
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  Speaker 8: heading in the wrong direction. So sixty three percent of
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  Speaker 8: people across all demographics is the headline number of people
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  Speaker 8: think Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Is heading in the rock secent.
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  Speaker 8: Now, if we go back to the Howard government, sixty
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  Speaker 8: five percent of people thought Australia was heading in.
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  Speaker 9: The right direction.
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  Speaker 8: That was roughly they're polling numbers on that one nation.
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  Speaker 8: Pauline Hanson is leading, the Prime minister within gen zs
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  Speaker 8: and millennials.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, remind me you're better at stuff. What's a gen
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  Speaker 1: Z in a millennial?
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  Speaker 9: Now a millennial?
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  Speaker 8: The oldest millennials turned forty five this year, right, a
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  Speaker 8: gen Z people between that eighteen to twenty five category.
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  Speaker 8: So Pauline Hanson is leading on those younger categories.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think I'm not entirely.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, but I mean I go to a coffee shop
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  Speaker 1: every morning, Jenney ware, so.
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  Speaker 9: Can I miss that?
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  Speaker 8: So the Prime Minister is actually leading, But Pauline Hanson
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  Speaker 8: is polling at about twenty percent with those gen zs
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  Speaker 8: and millennials.
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  Speaker 1: Go to a coffee shop every morning. The young people
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  Speaker 1: who work in there will tell me they're going to
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  Speaker 1: vote One Nation.
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  Speaker 8: There is a cohort of people between eighteen and forty
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  Speaker 8: twenty percent are allocating Pauline Hanson as preferred prime minister.
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  Speaker 8: The older you get into the millennials, it turns out
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  Speaker 8: to be the prime minister. Now, Angus Taylor. He's only
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  Speaker 8: polling under ten percent between gen zs and millennials, So
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  Speaker 8: it's another doubling of Pauline Hansen.
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  Speaker 1: On top of it, we can see why I mean
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  Speaker 1: Angers Taylor doesn't appeal. I wouldn't have thought to young males.
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  Speaker 8: Well perhaps that My viewpoint here is the Liberal Party
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  Speaker 8: is suffering across his poles.
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  Speaker 1: What about Labor? That's where I'm really interested, is Labor
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  Speaker 1: losing votes to one Nation from its I guess from
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  Speaker 1: the fringes of the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 8: You know, we saw that in South Australia with One
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  Speaker 8: Nation candidate taking those traditionally very safe Labour seats who
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  Speaker 8: were in the eighty percent safe margins down to the wire.
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  Speaker 8: And we can see here in this polling there's about
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  Speaker 8: fifteen percent of these people who are voting one nation
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  Speaker 8: that are rusted locked in.
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  Speaker 9: You can't change my mind.
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  Speaker 8: But this large group of disaffected people absolutely their Labor voters.
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  Speaker 8: In our focus groups we have polled across Labor Party
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  Speaker 8: marginal seat of lets. There are a lot of people
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  Speaker 8: who said the budget hasn't landed with me. I've told
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  Speaker 8: my kids to get into shares because I don't have
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  Speaker 8: a bank of mum and dad to help them.
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  Speaker 9: They feel that the strategy is wrong.
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  Speaker 8: Most of this polling is around how flat the budget
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  Speaker 8: has been.
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  Speaker 1: And when she ties immigration to housing, I mean that
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  Speaker 1: resonates when you go to the outer suburbs and she
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  Speaker 1: talks about how you're the forgotten Australians. I mean it's
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  Speaker 1: a line borrowed from Donald Trump's campaign, but they do
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  Speaker 1: feel forgotten.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: One nation's leading in the immigration category, absolutely, also leading
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  Speaker 8: in national security. The Coalition still has some good numbers
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  Speaker 8: on economic management, but Labour's economic management is polling very badly.
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  Speaker 1: It's fascinating, fascinating poll. Thanks for coming in, Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for having me. That's Christy coming up. I want to
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  Speaker 1: talk more about this poll because I think it's been extraordinary.
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  Speaker 1: What impact it might have on the traditional opinion opposition parties,
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  Speaker 1: the Liberals and the Nationals, particular, Dantee and his manager
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  Speaker 1: of Opposition Business joins us from our Canberra studio. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: you're a straight shooter, that's what I like about you.
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  Speaker 1: How worried are you about really worried about one nation?
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  Speaker 5: Well, Steve, obviously polls, you know there they capture the
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  Speaker 5: sentiment of the day and you've got to make sure
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  Speaker 5: that you take them into account. And you know we've
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  Speaker 5: said from day one we've got a lot of hard
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  Speaker 5: work to do, and you know, today's pole just reminds
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  Speaker 5: me of how much hard work we've got to do.
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  Speaker 5: But I've got to say that hard work has started
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  Speaker 5: and if you have a look in the poll, there
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  Speaker 5: is some good stuff there for us. In terms of
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  Speaker 5: economic management, we are the clear leader when it comes
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  Speaker 5: to economic management and cost of living is a huge
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  Speaker 5: issue and we've got to be able to convince the
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  Speaker 5: Australian people that our economic management will address that. And
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  Speaker 5: the other thing is from that pole, Labor's budget is
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  Speaker 5: literally well, you know, Australian people are saying it stinks,
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  Speaker 5: it absolutely stinks, and they are fed up with the
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  Speaker 5: Prime minister line and I think we've prosecuted that case
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  Speaker 5: very strongly and two thirds of Australian's basically same. We're
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  Speaker 5: heading in the wrong direction, which I've got to say
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  Speaker 5: is the sort of the real sense I get from
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  Speaker 5: my communities in the seat of Wan And so look,
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  Speaker 5: there's a lot there for us to work with. But
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  Speaker 5: do we have to do more hard work. Absolutely? Do
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  Speaker 5: we have to broaden that economic management success back into
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  Speaker 5: national security, our immigration and housing policy which Angus Taylor
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  Speaker 5: announced in the budgeting reply speech. You know, our tax
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  Speaker 5: guarantee where we won't let inflation eat into you, attack
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  Speaker 5: all these sorts of things. We've just got to get
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  Speaker 5: out there and start proceeding.
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  Speaker 1: We just heard, we heard Christy. They're saying that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: even in those numbers in that Red Bridge Pole, you've
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  Speaker 1: got millennials and Gen ZP voters, the younger bracket, they're
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  Speaker 1: saying they would vote for Pauline Hanson. I mean, she's
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  Speaker 1: running a line that seems to resonate with young people
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  Speaker 1: that the country's lost its direction and that the existing
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  Speaker 1: parties are not the ones to put it back on track.
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  Speaker 1: You'd argue that's not the case. But I mean if
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  Speaker 1: she keeps polling like this. I mean, you're a Victorian,
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  Speaker 1: you live in Victoria like I do. I mean, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to get a real shock I think come November.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's going to be very interesting to see
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  Speaker 5: how it plays out in Victoria in November, and then
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  Speaker 5: obviously New South Wales early in the first quarter of
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  Speaker 5: next year. But you know, there is the poles and
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  Speaker 5: then there is the actual, the big one. And I've
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  Speaker 5: got to say, you know, one of the things that
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  Speaker 5: always gives me hope is if you work hard, you
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  Speaker 5: can overcome these types of things. And the Redbridge pole
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  Speaker 5: for my seat of one and before the last federal
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  Speaker 5: election had me losing forty three point fifty seven. So
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  Speaker 5: you know, I always take these things with a little
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  Speaker 5: bit of a grain assaultant, just sort of. They are
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  Speaker 5: always just to me, are just a reminder just get out.
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  Speaker 1: There and do the hard work.
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  Speaker 5: And that's what we, as the Liberal and the National parties,
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  Speaker 5: need to do. One nation will run their agenda, we've
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  Speaker 5: got to run ours, run it hard and put a
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  Speaker 5: better case. And I think we've started doing that. We've
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  Speaker 5: still got a hell of a lot of work to do,
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  Speaker 5: and whether it's for young people or for old people,
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  Speaker 5: we've got to be there. Put in that case, Dan, you.
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  Speaker 1: And I had the misfortune of having to sit through
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  Speaker 1: the Gillard minority government, and I'll never forget those weeks
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  Speaker 1: and negotiations where she didn't have the numbers. She then
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  Speaker 1: had to go and recruit Tony windsor Rob Oakshot and
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  Speaker 1: Bob Katad to govern. If we got to a position
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  Speaker 1: where you hadn't won enough seats to claim the treasury
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  Speaker 1: benches in your own right and required to put together
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  Speaker 1: a wider coalition, obviously I'm referring to one Nation, would
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  Speaker 1: you do that?
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  Speaker 5: Well, my view has always been the center right parties,
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  Speaker 5: the Liberal Party, National parties, One Nation and the Clive
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  Speaker 5: Palmer Party. You know, we should all be working together
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  Speaker 5: to defeat the progressive left, the Greens, Labor.
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  Speaker 2: So that's and the Teals.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, look it's if.
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  Speaker 5: It's a hypothetical, that's my own personal view, and that's
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  Speaker 5: what I've done with my seat of one and no,
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  Speaker 5: it might it might not be. And look in my
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  Speaker 5: seat of Wan and I've always put the Greens and
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  Speaker 5: the Teals last, and Labor because they're the ones that
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  Speaker 5: want to destroy this country. They're the ones why people
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  Speaker 5: are sitting there and going you know, we think we're
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  Speaker 5: heading in the right direction now. We you know, we
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  Speaker 5: want to make sure that we're the major party on
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  Speaker 5: the center right and that's our job. Now, got a
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  Speaker 5: lot of work to do, but ultimate the end, we
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  Speaker 5: last thing we want is the right eating itself. We
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  Speaker 5: don't want competition for all the seats that we already hold,
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  Speaker 5: and no one's trying to take seats off Labor. And
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  Speaker 5: that's one of the things I think is going to
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  Speaker 5: be really important in the next two years is to
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  Speaker 5: making sure that the aim is to defeat this horrible,
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  Speaker 5: horrible lying labor government, because that's what they are, and
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  Speaker 5: we've all got to make sure that we knock them
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  Speaker 5: off the perchin. That's collectively what we all should be
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  Speaker 5: seeking to do.
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  Speaker 1: That word lying, I wanted to raise that with you.
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  Speaker 1: You are the manager of opposition business into Parliament. I
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  Speaker 1: was watching you last week in question time where the
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  Speaker 1: Speaker Milton Dick has now said that you're not able
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  Speaker 1: to use the word lie, even if you're talking about
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  Speaker 1: it being a policy lie or a lie prosecuted by
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  Speaker 1: a party as opposed to an individual. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: absolutely incorrect. I know you need to be cautious about
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  Speaker 1: criticizing the speaker, but that seems crazy to me. If
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  Speaker 1: someone has I mean, you can go into Parliament under
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  Speaker 1: parliamentary privilege, you can call me all the names in
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  Speaker 1: the world. I can't do anything about it. Why would
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  Speaker 1: you not be able to refer to one of your
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  Speaker 1: opposition opponents as lying if they have.
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  Speaker 5: Well, Steve, I do have to be careful here. But
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  Speaker 5: what I will refer to is a point that I
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  Speaker 5: made when this was being discussed, and I said there
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  Speaker 5: were two reasons why we should be able to do this,
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  Speaker 5: and one of the reasons that I put forward was
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  Speaker 5: because it's the truth. It's the truth. They lied before
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  Speaker 5: the last election. The Prime Minister lied over fifty times
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: before the last election, and that to me is a
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: compelling reason why you're parliament should be able to call
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: them out. Now the rules of the rules, and ultimately,
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: in the end you've got to abide by them, as
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: you know, as mad Keen Richmond supporting how older than
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: In the end, the umpires decision is the final is
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: the final decision. You're the umpire's decision is the final decision,
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: and you've got to go with it. But you know,
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: I think the one thing about this pole that came
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: out today that it was very clear Austrange don't be
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: like being lied to, and they've sent the Prime Minister
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: and the treasure a really hard message on that. I
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: think in this pole, I think that was the most
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: telling thing.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll took tigers another time. I don't think we
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: want to put ourselves through that torture right now, Dan Tee,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: and thank you very much for joining us from Camberra.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Now after the break across the Sophie Ellsworth in the UK,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: after her exclusive interview with the mother of Peter Falconio.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Now you remember Falconio twenty five years ago she was murdered.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: He was murdered her son in the Australian Outback and
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: she wants closure. I told you last week that the
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: owners of an alcohol storage facility torched as part of
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Melbourne's bar wars now estimate their loss at three million dollars.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: More on that to come as well. Welcome back to
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: through Price with you. I'll take you to London shortly.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Sophie Osworth's broken that story today She's chatted to Peter
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Falconio's mother. It's extraordinary, isn't it. It was twenty years ago
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: that he was murdered by Bradley Murdock. Now I told
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: you last week that the owners of an alcohol storage
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: facility that was torched as part of Melbourne's bar wars
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: now estimate their stock losses at a staggering three million dollars.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: It was the eighty Proof business burned to the groundback
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: on the twenty third of April. A teenager was charged
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: and found guilty of that offense and was put on
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: a twelvemonth used youth supervision order and ordered to pay
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: one thousand dollars after causing three million dollars in damage
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: in compensation a slap on the wrist. Really, I mean
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the team was lectured in court about what's right, what's wrong.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Apparently he was in tears but still in the end
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: got by the same individual on Friday night, not far
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: from here, is accused of punching and kicking an off
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: judy police officer, a detective joining me in the studio.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Shadow Minister for Police and Corrections Brad batten Well. We
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: thought at the time that it was a very soft sentence,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: but obviously and this kid's now going to go back
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: before the courts. He's been accused again. He's in custody now.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: But that bail decision in the first place was wrong.
• 21:28
  Speaker 10: Yeah, undred percent, you said for three million dollars in damage.
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: And the biggest issue here is the actual sentencing. In
• 21:35
  Speaker 10: what world have we got to in Victoria where you
• 21:38
  Speaker 10: can burn down a three million dollar factory, have means
• 21:42
  Speaker 10: of dollars damage in stock, put people's lives at risk
• 21:45
  Speaker 10: and walk away and get absolutely no jail time. That's
• 21:49
  Speaker 10: a broken system. We need to fix it and the consequences.
• 21:53
  Speaker 10: I I've had a copper assaulted on his way home
• 21:55
  Speaker 10: from work from protecting Victoria's.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I heard yet another retired magistrate on throughout w today
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: talk about how we don't want to put these kids
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: behind bars. We don't want to put them in jail.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: It'll mean that it's a life of crime. They're living
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: a life of crime now.
• 22:07
  Speaker 10: Yeah, and it's getting worse.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, this poor detective, I don't know. I mean,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: he obviously could look after himself, but he was injured badly.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: He was just walking along the street and this group
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: of three said to him, what are you looking at now?
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: When I read that, and you're a former prison officer
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: and a former police officer. When I read that, I
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: say to myself, don't look at anyone. Don't go out
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: on your own places. You could get bash. That could
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: have been me. It could be anyone.
• 22:34
  Speaker 10: And I think people are starting to feel that more
• 22:36
  Speaker 10: and more. It doesn't matter where they go. They're worried
• 22:38
  Speaker 10: that it's going to be there, a copper on his
• 22:40
  Speaker 10: way home from work protecting people. It just should be safe,
• 22:44
  Speaker 10: like that's just a reality. Should be safe, should have
• 22:46
  Speaker 10: the police response, should have everything with it. But the
• 22:48
  Speaker 10: fact is, I don't care if it's a retired manager,
• 22:50
  Speaker 10: so I don't care if it's a current magistrate. We
• 22:53
  Speaker 10: have a system at the moment that the government has
• 22:55
  Speaker 10: given the courts to say, effectively, we don't want these
• 22:58
  Speaker 10: kids in jail. Well you know what we now need
• 23:00
  Speaker 10: to change that break bail, face jail, adult crime for
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: adult time. Make it real Arson's not in there. Let's
• 23:05
  Speaker 10: make it one case so far, one case so far.
• 23:08
  Speaker 10: There's still one to come before the courts, which I
• 23:09
  Speaker 10: can guarantee it'll be the topic of the election. This
• 23:13
  Speaker 10: person who's up there for adult time and out the
• 23:16
  Speaker 10: judges are confused on how this is going to work. Well,
• 23:19
  Speaker 10: that's because the government have tried the hardest to water
• 23:21
  Speaker 10: it down. David chris A fully has put it in place.
• 23:24
  Speaker 10: It's working follow their system obviously.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: That I mean the detective bashing is allegations and we'll
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: hear what happens in the court.
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I'm confused, Pratt. You can help me here. Victorian government
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: registration rebate scheme started today means you can claim on
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: two vehicles per person. Started at nine o'clock to day.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Apparently the system crashed. Why should me who earns a
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: good salary and owns an expensive car and an expensive
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: motive scooter, why should I be able to claim back
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: for I think it's about three hundred and twenty dollars
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: on my two registrations in the state where we're broke.
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: There's a difference between supporting people during a cost of
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: living crisis and then, as you said, there's also a
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: difference between people who genuinely don't need it who can
• 24:08
  Speaker 10: go and claim it. You've got to have some support
• 24:10
  Speaker 10: sometimes we understand that, but you've got to put some
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: means testing in this.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: It's just an election brind Yeah, if.
• 24:17
  Speaker 10: You own a Maserati, you can probably afford the registration.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: If you can't sell your Maserati. Yeah, when I go
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: into a car park of my golf club and I'll
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: see cars all worth in excess of one hundred and
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars, those people should not be able to
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: claim taxplayers' money back on the rid Joe. That's right.
• 24:33
  Speaker 10: And you know what's the hardest part here is there's
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: going to be a group of people out there that
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: drive the nists and pulsar from nine to eighty five
• 24:39
  Speaker 10: who don't know how to claim it or are unsure
• 24:42
  Speaker 10: how to go and do it. And this is the problem.
• 24:43
  Speaker 10: Those that will be able to who least need it,
• 24:45
  Speaker 10: will be able to do it easiest. So I think
• 24:47
  Speaker 10: we need to have a real rethink if we're going
• 24:49
  Speaker 10: to try and support people during circumstances like this, we
• 24:52
  Speaker 10: just have to have a rethink and exactly how we
• 24:53
  Speaker 10: do it.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Let's have a look here. This is just Cinder Allen
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: today late today talking about how she's going to crack
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: down on corrupt on the big build issues.
• 25:02
  Speaker 11: These changes are the most far reaching since IBACK was
• 25:06
  Speaker 11: first established in twenty and twelve it will see IBACK
• 25:11
  Speaker 11: as a fit for purpose agency as part of an
• 25:14
  Speaker 11: integrity system here in Victoria that further insures a corruption
• 25:19
  Speaker 11: has no place in this state.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I thought she said there's nothing to see here.
• 25:24
  Speaker 10: Ye Look, I'd love to say what a Krokov, but
• 25:27
  Speaker 10: I wouldn't be allowed to on the show. But this
• 25:29
  Speaker 10: is a reality. We put forward laws in a private
• 25:33
  Speaker 10: member's bill for follow the money and just sin to Alan.
• 25:36
  Speaker 10: Wouldn't even let us debate it. And now she's trying
• 25:39
  Speaker 10: to say she's tough on this by kicking the can
• 25:41
  Speaker 10: down the road to l after at election. So she's
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: got something to say. Just sin to Alan, if you
• 25:45
  Speaker 10: want to fix it, have a royal commission. Put that
• 25:48
  Speaker 10: in place. I guarantee you.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Then.
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: The reason you won't do it is you're worried it's going.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: To actually come back to back the election.
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: Our policy for elections, have a royal commission. I don't
• 25:56
  Speaker 10: care if it was people on our side that were
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: involved in the corruption. I want the court correct and
• 26:01
  Speaker 10: I think that should be across the whole of government.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Brador was good to see you. Thank you very much.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I want to go to Britain now. British
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: tourist Peter Falconi. You remember this disappeared in a remote
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: part of Australia off the Stuart Highway way back in
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: twenty or two thousand and one. It was, so it's
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: more than it's twenty six years ago. Twenty five years ago.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Bradley John Murdock convicted of Falconio's murder. He was sentenced
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: to life imprisonment and has since passed away. Peter's body
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: was never found. I seem to remember that Murdoch, on
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: his deathbed, still refused to say whether he had been
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: involved or not. Was exclusive broken in the Daily Telegraph,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Herald Son all the news, load of tabloids today ahead
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: of that twenty fifth anniversary. An interview with Peter's mother,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Joan Falconio joining us now the person who broke that story,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Sophie Ellsworth. It seems incredible that it was twenty five
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: years ago. The mother wants closure, clearly, Sophie.
• 26:58
  Speaker 12: She does is indeed, I encourage people to read my
• 27:02
  Speaker 12: story online and watch the video interview with missus Falconio.
• 27:06
  Speaker 12: I spoke to her at her West Yorkshire home and
• 27:09
  Speaker 12: she's desperate for answers. It's twenty five miss Steve and
• 27:13
  Speaker 12: mister and Missus Falconio and their family don't know where
• 27:17
  Speaker 12: Peter's remains are and they want those answers.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: She was critical of police.
• 27:23
  Speaker 12: She says she has not heard from them in the
• 27:25
  Speaker 12: last year, and she said that was incredibly disappointing. And
• 27:29
  Speaker 12: she's pleading Steve for anyone out there, anyone who might
• 27:33
  Speaker 12: have the tiniest piece of information, no matter how small
• 27:37
  Speaker 12: they think it is, to come forward, because she's hoping
• 27:40
  Speaker 12: they can finally find Peter's remains and give them some
• 27:44
  Speaker 12: sort of closure to this incredibly harrowing ordeal.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Is my memory, right, Sophie, that Bradley John Murdock, on
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: his deathbed still refused to admit any involvement in the
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: murder of Falconio, let alone telling anyone where the remains
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: might be.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: You are, indeed, Steve.
• 28:07
  Speaker 12: The Felconeos are filmed about a ten minute video address
• 28:12
  Speaker 12: that was handed to police, and they tried to get
• 28:17
  Speaker 12: Bradley John Murdock to watch this video, pleading with him
• 28:21
  Speaker 12: to confess of where Peter's remains are, but he refused
• 28:26
  Speaker 12: to watch those that video in his dying days, and
• 28:29
  Speaker 12: Missus Felconio did touch on this.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Briefly in the interview with me.
• 28:33
  Speaker 12: She said that was incredibly difficult that he refused to
• 28:36
  Speaker 12: do so. He refused to confess where Peter's remains are,
• 28:40
  Speaker 12: and that was really their final hope of getting answers.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: So they're not giving up yet, Steve. They are elderly people.
• 28:49
  Speaker 12: She's about to turn eighty this year, mister Falconio is
• 28:52
  Speaker 12: eighty three. They're pleading with Australians to please try and
• 28:56
  Speaker 12: help them.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Your interviews up online. Let's have a little look at
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: what they told you when you sat down with them.
• 29:04
  Speaker 13: And you still hold hope that after all this time
• 29:07
  Speaker 13: has passed, someone in Australia may know something.
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: Yes, I hope so, I hope they'll come forward.
• 29:17
  Speaker 13: Is Australia doing enough to try and find answers for
• 29:21
  Speaker 13: your family given so much time has passed now?
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: I don't think.
• 29:25
  Speaker 9: So.
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: We don't hear anything, nothing from the police or anybody else.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Was there ever a reward offered for
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: anybody who could give information on where his whereabouts might be?
• 29:38
  Speaker 12: There is, indeed there is, indeed, Steve, there's a five
• 29:41
  Speaker 12: hundred thousand dollars reward for anyone who can help solve
• 29:47
  Speaker 12: the mystery of where Peter's body or remains are, so
• 29:52
  Speaker 12: there's an incentive to come forward. They are just hoping
• 29:55
  Speaker 12: that perhaps he told someone or someone knows something. But
• 29:59
  Speaker 12: they're not giving up, Steve, and they are really urging
• 30:02
  Speaker 12: Australians to scratch their heads and think hard about any
• 30:06
  Speaker 12: information they may hold to solving this case.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Great work, Sophie. I'm make sure I have a look
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: at that online and world done today and let's hope
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: someone does come forward. It'll be a wonderful thing for
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: that family. Thanks Sophie. Sophie us with there in London
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: now after the break, as we debate the risk taking
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: culture in Australia post budget, I'll catch up with a
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: true risk taker who's had a long love affair with
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: our country. Welcome back, Peter Kreedlin coming up top of
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: the Hour now. In the middle of a national debate
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: following Labour's budget, critics are suggesting that the capital goings
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: tax changes will stifle entrepreneurship and send our brightest ideas offshore,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: the last thing we want. At the weekend, I read
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: the remarkable story of my next guest, Tim Gannon, who
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: with partners and just thirty seven US dollars in his pocket.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Started in nineteen eighty eight the out Back Steakhouse chain,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: and there are now last count fourteen hundred of these
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: outlets in twenty eight countries, including seven here in Australia.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Tim has written a book is memoir Bloomin Adventures, the Partners,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Risks and Recipes behind Outback Steakhouse. Tim, Welcome, what a
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: cracking story. I mentioned the debate we're having around building
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: a business these days they're called startups. Out of the
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: kid from Florida with thirty seven bucks in his pocket
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: through what you've.
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: Done, It's real simple, to be honest. You have a
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: great idea that you truly believe in. You're good at something.
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: I was good at flavor and putting recipes together. And
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: then you find two partners that totally trust you in
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: believe in you. And then once you have that partnership together,
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: everything is possible. And you know, we grew. We started
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: with a couple of restaurants, borrowing money from uncles and aunts,
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: and finally got a joint Frencher Capital to give us
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: about two million dollars to build a few more, and
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: then we went public. With twenty seven restaurants. But we
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: went public because we had an incredible product. The product,
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: you know, a lot of it, a lot of it originated.
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: The ingredients came from Australia, the lamb our rosemont wine
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: from Hunter Valley. You know, we used a lot of
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: all the Australian beers and but most of all, we
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: used the Australian culture, which meant fun, no rules, just right,
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: have a good time, be fair and you know fair dicome. Yeah,
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: you know, it's as simple as that.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Do Americans understand what the outback actually is?
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: Not really and neither did we. When we gave it
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: our name, we you know, it was funny. We went
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: to the movie Crocodile Dundee and we just heard about
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: Outback and we said we put it in lipstick on
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: a mirror behind the bar where we were at and
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: we looked at we said, wow, that looks great. That's
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: a great that's a great sign for a restaurant. And
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: so Outback became our name. Then we had to go
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: and find out what is the outback? What is Australia?
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: And we kind of like backpedaled to get back into
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: the culture. And the more we did that the more
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: we fell in love with Australia.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: So you're not just someone who's been very successful in
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: business selling food, and you have been phenomenally successful. You're
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: also a famous pope, a pope polo player, and you
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: ran into our old mate, Kerry Packer. Now one of
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: my favorite things to do whenever I go on a
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: golf trip is tell Kerry Packer's stories. Kerry Packer, you
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: were trying to buy horses off Kerry and he said
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't sell them to you because you were too fat.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Is that right?
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: That's exactly right. Now. He showed them to me anyway,
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: but he said I'm too fat and he felt bad
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: for his horses. So I said, you know, Carrie, yeah, Carrie,
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: I get you. I think you're right. So I'm going
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: to lose thirty five pounds in the next three months.
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: And he said, well, you're just a lion saka. You
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: know what, Irish I know you Irish guys. You have
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: no stamina, no backbone, no nothing. So I said, no, no, Carrie,
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: I'm going to do it, and I'm going to bet you.
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: We made a bet for a quarter of a million
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: dollars his best horse. He took me back into a
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: restaurant and put me on a meat scale and loaded
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: me up there to weigh me in and then believe
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: it or not, so he called he called Palm Beach
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: and he said because he was in Australia, and he says,
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: is ginning losing that weight? And the he said, mister Packer.
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: They called him KP. I called him pack So he
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: said KP, Yes, he's actually doing it. And Carrie, Carrie
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: didn't believe him. So he flew all the way from
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: Australia to weigh me back in and it was. But
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: at the end of the day, after we started with
• 34:59
  Speaker 7: a very friendship, it turned into a beautiful friendship, one
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: that I cherish and you know, and I did buy
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: two million dollars worth of horses for his best horses
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: and became number one in the world with those horses.
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: Actually beat his team in Argentina with his horses. So
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: that was a lot of fun. But you know, Packer
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: always he liked my entrepreneurship, he liked my flair, and
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: you know, I'm kind of at the end of the day,
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: a guy like him that likes to stir things up.
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: What do they call those you know, a mover and
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: a shaker or whatever. So a lot of fun.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: He sadly missed. I must say that he's not the
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: only larger than law figure. You're Mike Swith You've been
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: a member of Donald Trump's Mara Lago club for fifteen years.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: And Trump thinks you're pretty smart as well, doesn't he.
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: You know, I've known Donald before presidency, before all that,
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: and he he was a great manager of his social club.
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: He cared about was there enough ice on the shrimp?
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: Was his pace? Spotless? Was his staff. He was always
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: kind to his staff. He was always very friendly and
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: respectful to his staff. And I used to watch that.
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: I always judge people, how do they treat your staff?
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: And if they do a great job with that, then
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: they're okay in my book. And you know, Donald loves
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: the restaurant business. He loves show business. He loves all that.
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: So he loves outback and he's always asking me how
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: we're doing and stuff like that. And he always is
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: willing to listen to ideas from entrepreneurs.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: When I think about stike or beefstike as you call
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: it in America, I always think of Texas. You know,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: has probably got the best stike. Argentina's got some very
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: good meat. What did you make of the Australian product
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: when you got into this? And forgive me, but what
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: is a deep fried onion flower?
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: First, the steak. What I like are really not where
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: steaks and cattle are from, but the breed of the cattle.
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: I like the black angus and that's what I prefer.
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: I don't care whether it's grown in Argentina or Uruguay,
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: or Australia or America. We use a lot of products.
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: We have one hundred restaurants in Korea in South Korea,
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: believe it or not. Wow, it's incredible. And all of
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: the supply of that comes from Australia. All of our
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: lamb comes from New Zealand and Australia.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: So we believe.
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: That you just got to get the right type of beef,
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: the right type of cattle, and that's generally generally it's
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: black angus.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Tim, show me that book of yours because I want
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: to make sure all of my viewers watching us around
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Australia get a chance to go and by it, because
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I'm certainly going to do that now. Thank you, so fantastic.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: It's a good rate and I'll I'll sit down and
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: read it while I'm having a glass of red wine
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: and a steak. Mate, thanks for joining us, appreciate your
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: time very much.
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: No, thank you.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: What a great American he is. I mean, God, we're
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: having a discussion here about entrepreneurship. There is entrepreneurship for you.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Panel time Monday Night. Jemmetoniuni from GT Communications and Caroline
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: De Rosso's Sky News contributed to join me. Caroline, how
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I got to start with you? How wild was that
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: weather yesterday in Perth? I weren't there, but god, it
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: was busy.
• 38:32
  Speaker 14: It was very, very busy, and Perth we had this
• 38:36
  Speaker 14: beautiful Indian summer. I was getting up and going for
• 38:40
  Speaker 14: my morning walk in T shirt and linen shorts only
• 38:43
  Speaker 14: up until a couple of weeks ago, and then all
• 38:45
  Speaker 14: of a sudden the cold weather set in. I know
• 38:47
  Speaker 14: people in Melbourne particularly don't want to hear that, but
• 38:50
  Speaker 14: the cold weather set in and this weekend it has
• 38:53
  Speaker 14: been extraordinary. There has been hail, there has been wind.
• 38:56
  Speaker 14: Friend of ours had panels come off their house and
• 39:00
  Speaker 14: all sorts of things. Power has gone out, the whole works. Anyway,
• 39:04
  Speaker 14: it's on its way to Adelaide. So to our South
• 39:06
  Speaker 14: Australian friends, I hope you've cleaned your gutters.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad. I got my mother home today so
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: that she can make sure it has to them blow away.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about this story today. I couldn't believe this, Gemma.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Transgender and non binary defense recruits are now. If you
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: apply to the IDF, you can undertake a fitness test
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: of your affirmed gender rather than be assessed on your
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: sex at birth. So I guess, Jemma, that means if
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I say I'm non binary as a male, I can
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: do the female test. I mean that smacks again of
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: this gender nonsense and craziness, doesn't it.
• 39:43
  Speaker 15: I think we need to take a step back and
• 39:45
  Speaker 15: ask the question, Steve, what is the purpose of the ADF.
• 39:49
  Speaker 15: And it may be a really basic question, but when
• 39:52
  Speaker 15: we lose sight of the basic things, the purpose that
• 39:55
  Speaker 15: drives an organization, this is where things can often get
• 39:59
  Speaker 15: a little bit skew.
• 39:59
  Speaker 16: If if the.
• 40:00
  Speaker 15: Purpose of the ADF is to protect and serve this
• 40:03
  Speaker 15: nation and the people in this nation, then all of
• 40:05
  Speaker 15: the decisions should flow from that purpose. Purpose should always
• 40:09
  Speaker 15: trump preference. I'm uncomfortable with this decision for a variety
• 40:14
  Speaker 15: of reasons, Because for a variety of reasons that we
• 40:18
  Speaker 15: can't tease out in sort of three minutes of discussion
• 40:21
  Speaker 15: on this issue.
• 40:22
  Speaker 16: I think that the.
• 40:23
  Speaker 15: Decisions that are being made need to be done so
• 40:26
  Speaker 15: with a deal of sobriety, so to speak. You can't
• 40:33
  Speaker 15: play with the safety and security of this nation. And
• 40:37
  Speaker 15: I think there's also another factor to be factored in here.
• 40:41
  Speaker 15: If you're applying to be a member of the SAS,
• 40:44
  Speaker 15: for example, I don't think this is going to work.
• 40:46
  Speaker 15: And of course applying to be in the SAS is
• 40:49
  Speaker 15: not the first thing you do when you join the
• 40:50
  Speaker 15: Australian Defense Force. So there are obviously office jobs, and
• 40:54
  Speaker 15: there are admin jobs, and there are IT jobs, and
• 40:57
  Speaker 15: there are intelligence jobs.
• 40:58
  Speaker 16: Not every job is a combat job in the fields.
• 41:00
  Speaker 15: So there's that layer of context that has to be
• 41:02
  Speaker 15: applied as well. But broadly, Steve, we need to be
• 41:06
  Speaker 15: taking a step back and saying are we putting purpose
• 41:08
  Speaker 15: over preference? And how is that reflected in the decisions
• 41:11
  Speaker 15: that are being made by those in charge of this organization?
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Caroline, this is how we've ended up in Victoria at least,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: and probably elsewhere. I'm not aware, but it's certainly here
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: where we end up with men in women's prison. So
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: you've got people who are transitioning from being a biological
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: male who gets arrested and sentenced to jail saying I
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: identify as a woman, and you're then housed in a
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: female jail.
• 41:39
  Speaker 14: Which is totally unacceptable. And I think, you know, going
• 41:43
  Speaker 14: on from Jema's point, you know, there is a real
• 41:47
  Speaker 14: attitudinal consideration when you think about people who go into
• 41:52
  Speaker 14: the idea, who go there to serve the community and
• 41:54
  Speaker 14: do that sort of thing. I have a little bit
• 41:57
  Speaker 14: of a problem, and particularly if we are talking about
• 41:59
  Speaker 14: something like fitness tests. You can't just have a bit
• 42:03
  Speaker 14: of an off season, put on a frock and then
• 42:06
  Speaker 14: go for the girl run because to me that there
• 42:08
  Speaker 14: is just not the way that you should be approaching
• 42:13
  Speaker 14: a career in the ADF if your idea is to
• 42:16
  Speaker 14: go and serve the community. So I think there needs
• 42:19
  Speaker 14: to be a bit more there. Like Jemma said, there's
• 42:21
  Speaker 14: plenty of context and not everything is a combat job,
• 42:24
  Speaker 14: but the attitude with which you go into something to
• 42:26
  Speaker 14: like our armed forces, I think is absolutely significant to
• 42:30
  Speaker 14: the way that you ultimately do your job.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I thought I'd seen everything in the social state of Victoria.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't think anything could surprise me anymore. I mean,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: the last thing that really knocked me over was we
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: were paying an indigenous artist to paint art on the
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: front of two tunnel boring machines that are hundreds of
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: meters underground and you're never going to see the actual
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: tunnel boring machine anyway. But today we find out that
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: plarqu's installed at the Metro Tunnel. Another of these big
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: build projects at the station Entrances, brass plaques they're going
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: to have to be replaced because of errors. What are
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: the erarors. Well, the Premier just Inta Allen opened the
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Metro Tunnel station and she wasn't called the Honorable Premier
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Justinta Allan, and so they've had to take all the
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: plaques down and have them redone. Can you believe that?
• 43:22
  Speaker 16: I can believe it. It's totally on brand.
• 43:24
  Speaker 15: It's completely completely on brand for this premiere in this government.
• 43:28
  Speaker 15: It's like money is confetti for them. It's like money
• 43:31
  Speaker 15: is funny money, monopoly money, whatever.
• 43:34
  Speaker 16: It's like the money is Lera Steve.
• 43:36
  Speaker 15: Back in the good old days when you had Lira
• 43:38
  Speaker 15: when we went back to visit the family in Italy.
• 43:40
  Speaker 15: But sincerely, I don't understand, like it's like just into
• 43:46
  Speaker 15: Allan is sitting down going how can I make myself
• 43:49
  Speaker 15: less electable by the day.
• 43:51
  Speaker 16: My counsel to.
• 43:52
  Speaker 15: The good people of Victoria is you can break free.
• 43:56
  Speaker 15: You can break free, and for the good of your
• 43:59
  Speaker 15: future you must.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: And Carolina, of course, on top of brass plaques with
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: the right honorable on them, you've got a person, an
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: artist working currently on a brass statue of bronze statue
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: of Daniel Andrews, the most hated premier the country's ever had.
• 44:21
  Speaker 14: And again leading on from the point that Jem has
• 44:23
  Speaker 14: just made, there are problems abound in Victoria, and the
• 44:28
  Speaker 14: fact that there are government resources and taxpayer money, that is,
• 44:33
  Speaker 14: you know, taking time up on these things instead of
• 44:35
  Speaker 14: delivering services to Victorians is absolutely astounding. But I did
• 44:41
  Speaker 14: read this article, Steve, and I had a little bit
• 44:43
  Speaker 14: of a giggle to myself, and I did wonder, given
• 44:46
  Speaker 14: that Jacinta Allen is not particularly popular, whether this was
• 44:50
  Speaker 14: actually an error, or whether this here was whoever made
• 44:54
  Speaker 14: the plaques, you know, flipping the bird and maybe getting
• 44:58
  Speaker 14: one back on behalf.
• 44:59
  Speaker 16: Of all Victoria's and do you know what she should
• 45:01
  Speaker 16: have done?
• 45:01
  Speaker 15: I mean, she's never going to do this, but what
• 45:03
  Speaker 15: she should have done is said, I don't care.
• 45:05
  Speaker 16: I don't care.
• 45:06
  Speaker 15: We're not wasting money on doing this again. I don't care.
• 45:08
  Speaker 15: I'm the premier. Do you know what I get called Steve,
• 45:11
  Speaker 15: I get called Jermaine, I get called Gabby, I get
• 45:14
  Speaker 15: called Genevieve. Someone called me Gemma the other day, like
• 45:17
  Speaker 15: I don't care he calls. I mean that she should
• 45:21
  Speaker 15: have shown some leadership, read the tea leaves and said, nah,
• 45:24
  Speaker 15: we're not spending that money.
• 45:25
  Speaker 16: Just leave it as it is.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: No, I want to get both of you's view on
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: this red Bridge pole. We started the program with it,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: We've been talking about it on school day to day,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: and I had, you know, some digging down into the
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: actual age groups that we're talking about, and surprisingly gen
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: z and millennials are showing Jemma some of the highest
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: support for one Nation. Pauline Hanson's now even in discussions
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: with our colleague Andrew Clenell yesterday about what sort of
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: prime minister she might make. This and I've called it
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: the Redheaded Revolution. This is real now this is not
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: a pretend thing. This is coming like a freight train.
• 46:08
  Speaker 15: One of the things I love to say, Steve, and
• 46:11
  Speaker 15: it doesn't matter whether it's politics or in any other area,
• 46:13
  Speaker 15: is that there is always a tipping point, and there
• 46:15
  Speaker 15: is always a reckoning, and it seems that we're.
• 46:18
  Speaker 16: Pretty much in the middle of it.
• 46:19
  Speaker 15: And the most perplexing but sort of delicious part of
• 46:22
  Speaker 15: it for me is that the Prime Minister and the
• 46:24
  Speaker 15: treasure are seen completely baffled by this reckoning. Is if
• 46:27
  Speaker 15: they can sell out the future of a generation, hand
• 46:30
  Speaker 15: generations trillions of dollars of debt to carry so that
• 46:34
  Speaker 15: they can fund their socialists utopia, that they think that
• 46:37
  Speaker 15: these kids are dumb or something. I mean the idea
• 46:41
  Speaker 15: that the Prime Minister and the Treasurer and other members
• 46:44
  Speaker 15: of his cabinet would allow themselves to build wealth and
• 46:47
  Speaker 15: build generational wealth and capital with policies that they are
• 46:52
  Speaker 15: now getting rid of and gas lighting this generation, the
• 46:56
  Speaker 15: one that you referred to, and saying it's for your
• 46:58
  Speaker 15: own good kids. It's actually disgusting and I'm so thrilled
• 47:01
  Speaker 15: that this generation is seeing it for what it is.
• 47:03
  Speaker 16: And calling it out.
• 47:04
  Speaker 15: The fact that this Prime minister and this Treasurer are
• 47:07
  Speaker 15: so desperately trying to sell this. I was going to
• 47:11
  Speaker 15: say dog of a budget, but I loved my dog.
• 47:12
  Speaker 15: He was a better He would have been a better
• 47:14
  Speaker 15: treasurer than the treasure that we have, this absolute disaster
• 47:17
  Speaker 15: of a budget. The only thing this is the first
• 47:21
  Speaker 15: thing that mister Albanezi has done in his tenure that
• 47:24
  Speaker 15: is United Australia. Everybody thinks it's an absolute disaster and
• 47:27
  Speaker 15: that he should reverse these controversial decisions. But as I said,
• 47:31
  Speaker 15: this generation that I'm sure he felt like he had
• 47:35
  Speaker 15: in his back pocket because he likes to go on
• 47:37
  Speaker 15: podcasts and DJ events and go to parties and music festivals.
• 47:41
  Speaker 15: They actually want to, Like, for example, a friend of
• 47:43
  Speaker 15: mine who has three children in their early twenties. They've
• 47:46
  Speaker 15: been investing in EFTs, are starting to build some wealth
• 47:49
  Speaker 15: for themselves. Like, how does taxing these kids help them
• 47:51
  Speaker 15: get into a house any earlier?
• 47:53
  Speaker 16: Like it's just nonsense.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Well it doesn't, No, it doesn't.
• 47:56
  Speaker 16: In this tomorical question obviously.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Obviously, thank you very much, both of you. I appreciate it.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I mean we will talk more about that pole obviously,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: But anyone who looks at paul and Hanson talking about
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: immigration and the impact that has on housing stock, Pauline
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Hanson talking about one flag not three, Pauline Hanson bringing
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: the Australia back into Australians. I mean, you don't have
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: to be a genius polster or somebody to work out
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: that those sorts of ideas are actually going to resonate
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: with people, and that's what's happened. And so now you
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: see the situation where the polling shows that she's a
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: real chance. Peter Kredlin up after the break