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3 INSANE new ways to blame MEN! (Plus 6 SHOCKING INCEL Emojis!) · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you may be,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome back to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian.
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  Speaker 1: I'm here with Allison and this is three insane new
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  Speaker 1: ways to blame men plus six shocking in cell emojis,
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  Speaker 1: where we're going to be looking at a couple of
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  Speaker 1: misinterest things on the internet again and we hope that
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  Speaker 2: Our ongoing efforts to prevent people from internalizing this crap, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we shall market thoroughly.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Sound that sounds like what we're doing. So before
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  Speaker 1: we get into that, we're gonna be looking at at
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  Speaker 1: least two things. I guess it depends. First, we have
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  Speaker 1: this article from the Times which is acknowledging the existence
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  Speaker 1: of a crisis with men, the problems that men are
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  Speaker 1: facing and how little support they're getting. But like whose
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  Speaker 1: fault is it? Though? And this is the important question,
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  Speaker 1: not like how do we fix it? But who's who
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  Speaker 1: do we blame? And this is important because there's one
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  Speaker 1: thing you can never blame. But we'll get into that
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  Speaker 1: when we get to the article. If there's time, we
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  Speaker 1: have well, there's a Inceel emoji newsletter warning something going
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  Speaker 1: out we're going to look at this as well. Post
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  Speaker 1: it on the school in the Yeah, in a school, Well,
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  Speaker 1: you got to look out for those.
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  Speaker 2: Emojis, right, yes, you got to. You gotta learn the
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  Speaker 2: signs so that you can intervene before your your son
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  Speaker 2: becomes involuntarily celibate. And you need to do that young,
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  Speaker 2: So make sure your son is not involuntarily celibates, making.
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  Speaker 1: Sure he's out there crushing puss at fourteen so that
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't start hating women.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, thirteen Yeah, thirteen thirteen. That's generous. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: really really involved parents should be making sure their sons
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  Speaker 2: are doing that at sex right seven? Like god, why
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  Speaker 2: even wait? No, no, god, damn human.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, okay, so we're gonna start with this
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  Speaker 1: Times article then, mm hmm, oh good. All right. So
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  Speaker 1: this article is from the Times and it is entitled
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  Speaker 1: men are in trouble, But whose fault is it? A
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  Speaker 1: survey has found that the demands being placed on men
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  Speaker 1: by women in society has pushed them to a breaking point. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I like how they say women and society like what's left?
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  Speaker 2: Hmmm? All right, this is all three creatures from Alfred Centauri.
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  Speaker 1: I suspect Yeah, this is by Helen Rumblo. Well then,
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  Speaker 1: but like, but those creatures aren't aren't society, They're in
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  Speaker 1: our for centuries. So there's like people here on this planet.
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  Speaker 1: When you say women in society, I feel like you're
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  Speaker 1: just trying to spread because like, okay, so men are
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  Speaker 1: dealing with it and women are the other half of
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  Speaker 1: the population. Right. Survey has found the demands being placed
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  Speaker 1: on men, on men, by women and society. So who
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  Speaker 1: else is there besides women except men? But the demands
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  Speaker 1: are being placed on men, so can it be men?
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  Speaker 1: I think you're just trying to like spread the blame
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, like you're trying to say, well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's society. This is like a really tricky word society.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, Yeah, for all the time, oh, fretting over
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  Speaker 1: the Battle of the Sexes, the outcome no one seemed
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  Speaker 1: to worry about, is this one. The battle is over.
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  Speaker 1: The Battle of the Sexes is over. Guys, we can
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  Speaker 1: all go home.
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  Speaker 2: It's done.
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  Speaker 1: It's solved.
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  Speaker 2: Why did we have to have a battle in the
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  Speaker 2: first place.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good question, like.
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  Speaker 2: What why why was this arranged, like who decided?
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  Speaker 1: It's just like one side picking on the other side.
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  Speaker 1: Is it even a battle?
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  Speaker 2: Not really? Not really, that's that's that's there there. I'm
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  Speaker 2: pretty sure there are words for that, but battle isn't
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  Speaker 2: one of them, because I think both sides have to
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  Speaker 2: start being I guess you could argue that the Manisphere
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  Speaker 2: has gotten slightly irate, but that's not the same as
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  Speaker 2: wholesale denying services for male victims of domestics, domestic assault
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  Speaker 2: and sexual assault, and not allowing fathers to see their children,
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  Speaker 2: among other things like that. That feels more like the
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  Speaker 2: actions of somebody at war as opposed to I don't
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  Speaker 2: like that, which is basically what the Manisphere is doing.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like that. M M yeah, I guess you're right.
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  Speaker 2: The battle is a bit and but again, who started
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  Speaker 2: the battle? And why do we have to have one?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: And I hear a lot of people like on Twitter
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  Speaker 2: when I when I call out feminists that they're like
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  Speaker 2: both sides like I, why do we have to have
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  Speaker 2: this fight? I'm like, well, as much as I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to have this particular fight, I suspect you're looking
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  Speaker 2: at this from a perspective that men are the enemy,
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  Speaker 2: that men oppress women, which you know, it's it's really
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  Speaker 2: hard to step away from a fight in when once
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  Speaker 2: it's started by the other party, once once the other
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  Speaker 2: party has framed the other side as the enemy. Like it,
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  Speaker 2: we gotta go back before we did that, right, we
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  Speaker 2: gotta we gotta go back before we did that and
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  Speaker 2: get rid of that. Otherwise we're still going to be
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  Speaker 2: What what they really want when they say is don't fight,
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  Speaker 2: is they want one side to be have one which
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  Speaker 2: doesn't seem fair, you know, get what I'm saying, Like
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  Speaker 2: feminists started the fight. Let me just let me stop
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  Speaker 2: using euphemisms. They started the fight. They started the fight
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  Speaker 2: when they framed the relationship between men and women as
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  Speaker 2: one of enemies at war with the whole oppression narrative.
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  Speaker 2: All right, that's that's that's the fund. And we won't
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  Speaker 2: still be at war as long as we have feminists
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  Speaker 2: framing men as the enemy. And that's what that whole
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  Speaker 2: narrative does. Men oppress women? Well, what does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: It means men are the enemy. Well, if you don't
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  Speaker 2: want to have a battle of the sex is, you
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  Speaker 2: got to stop calling men the enemy. All right, But definition,
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  Speaker 2: because once you do that, there is the battle. There
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  Speaker 2: is the perceived battle, right, you get what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: It's it just comes right out of that.
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  Speaker 1: It's just.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And also a second here, uh, and also the well,
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting how it's framed, so let's go back up here.
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  Speaker 1: So I just want to look at how this is
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  Speaker 1: being framed. I don't know if the author knows this
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  Speaker 1: or not. A survey has found that the demands being
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  Speaker 1: placed on men by women in society has pushed them
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  Speaker 1: to a breaking point. So we're already seeing that men
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  Speaker 1: are in a they're they're being pushed to a breaking point.
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  Speaker 1: The men okay because the demands being placed on them.
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  Speaker 1: And then it says the battle is over, so they're
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  Speaker 1: saying women won. But I want to know that I
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  Speaker 1: haven't finished this. I did read some of this article.
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  Speaker 1: I want to know how they're going to be able
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  Speaker 1: to pull victimhood from the jaws of victory when they've
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  Speaker 1: already in the first sentence they have already called victory
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  Speaker 1: right in a way, it's in there but there. But
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  Speaker 1: on top of that, it's like, uh, the battle is over,
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  Speaker 1: but there's no jubilation because the men have retreated back.
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  Speaker 1: Each sex went to their respective trenches to live a
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  Speaker 1: life alone and without love. So now now men have
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  Speaker 1: retreated and both parties have returned to their respective trenches.
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  Speaker 1: It is that interesting?
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  Speaker 2: And why did this have to begin? Like, why was
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  Speaker 2: this necessary? And I know why. It's because in the
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  Speaker 2: nineteen well even before the Declaration of Sentiments, but building
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  Speaker 2: off of that particular sentiment, you know, in the nineteen sixties,
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  Speaker 2: feminists decided to colonize the entire concept of the relationship
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  Speaker 2: between the sexes and make it whatever or define it
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  Speaker 2: in such a way that it benefited feminism. So now
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  Speaker 2: we're in the midst of this wretched war, right that
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  Speaker 2: apparently women have won. Well, hallelujah, halleluju, hallelujah, women have
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  Speaker 2: won the war. But you're right, they're no doubt groping
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  Speaker 2: towards finding some way of once again labeling women victims
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  Speaker 2: of the war against the sexes, which feminism started. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: proto feminists started with the sentiment the Declaration of Sentiments.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So a new study that survey two
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  Speaker 1: thousand British men and women ages eighteen to forty five
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  Speaker 1: revealed that men are at an unprecedented crisis point. They
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  Speaker 1: have rejected old ideas about masculinity. They desperately want to
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  Speaker 1: care for their community and aspire to be tender involve fathers.
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  Speaker 1: Yet they despair of being able to fit into the
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  Speaker 1: seemingly contradictory demands made of them by their female romantic
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  Speaker 1: partners and society at large, with nearly half considering giving
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  Speaker 1: up on love entirely. Okay, so yeah, go ahead, I
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  Speaker 1: know what you're gonna say. Go ahead, I think I do.
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  Speaker 2: Men routinely lose access to custody of their children, they
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  Speaker 2: routinely lose a significant portion of their assets and divorce,
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  Speaker 2: and this is what we decided to do. And now
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  Speaker 2: we're saying, well, they seem to be having an issue,
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  Speaker 2: do it? Well, yes, because you did this to them.
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  Speaker 2: This was feminist jurisprudence. And it was put in place
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  Speaker 2: because because feminists insisted that the marriage was a horrible
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  Speaker 2: battle field for women and they needed to have an escape,
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  Speaker 2: and there couldn't be any kind of fairness and divorce
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  Speaker 2: equitability in divorce. It had to go all to the
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  Speaker 2: woman because otherwise she might be dissuaded from leaving the
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  Speaker 2: battlefield in which she was always the one who was
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  Speaker 2: most abused and battered and taking advantage of right. And
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  Speaker 2: so you did that. You created a system that's highly
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  Speaker 2: slanted towards women in divorce in order to under the
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  Speaker 2: guide of feminist policy. And now you're saying that men
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  Speaker 2: seem to be behaving like they're going through a very
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  Speaker 2: slanted system that is intended to destroy them. Well, yes,
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  Speaker 2: that's what you did. Congratulations, you have won. You're successful, right,
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  Speaker 2: Like this was successful. This was a successful intervention into
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  Speaker 2: family law in terms of we are going to create
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  Speaker 2: a system that's highly slanted towards women that destroys men,
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  Speaker 2: routinely removes them from their children's lives, you know, takes
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  Speaker 2: away their assets under the logic that their wife is
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  Speaker 2: owed half their assets, but for some reason he isn't
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  Speaker 2: owed half the time with the children regardless. You know,
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  Speaker 2: like you created the system. It's destroying men. Like literally,
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  Speaker 2: they're like, let's build the destroy men's system. Oh my,
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  Speaker 2: it's destroying men. Huh where did that come from?
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  Speaker 1: Like, okay, so here's what I noticed in this paragraph.
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  Speaker 1: They have rejected old ideas about masculinity. Then immediately follow by,
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  Speaker 1: they desperately want to care for their community and aspire
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  Speaker 1: to be tender involves fathers. So are these things opposite
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  Speaker 1: in the mind of the person who wrote this, because
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  Speaker 1: what you're saying is that men are trying to square
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  Speaker 1: a circle that can't be squared because they desperately want
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  Speaker 1: to care for their community and aspire to be tender
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  Speaker 1: involved fathers, which is what This is not a new phenomenon.
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  Speaker 1: Men have always wanted to be, by and large, caring
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  Speaker 1: fathers and involved with their family and be a pillar
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  Speaker 1: of their community or be like looked up to in
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  Speaker 1: some way, be live an aspirational life. Right, that's not
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  Speaker 1: a new idea. But there's also old ideas about masculinity
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  Speaker 1: that they have to reject. But they're not actually doing
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  Speaker 1: that because they still want to do things that are
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  Speaker 1: considered masculine, caring for their community and being involved fathers.
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  Speaker 1: So these are there. The author is presenting these as
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  Speaker 1: though they're opposite. It's like, oh, well, they got rid
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  Speaker 1: of those nasty, old old ideas about masculinity, but now
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  Speaker 1: and now they want to be involved dads and be
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  Speaker 1: involved in their community and protect people and stuff. Oh
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  Speaker 1: you mean, like men have always done throughout all of time,
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  Speaker 1: Like they just want to do the thing they've been doing.
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  Speaker 1: But you guys won't let that be because you don't
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  Speaker 1: like what that means. You don't like that it is masculine. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you don't like the idea that it is a positive
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  Speaker 1: trait associated with masculinity, let's be honest. So yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: it's just interesting how contradictory it is. And then they
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  Speaker 1: acknowledge it as contradictory by saying, yet they despair of
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  Speaker 1: being able to fit into the seemingly contradictory demands made
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  Speaker 1: of them by their female romantic partners. I'm gonna ignore
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  Speaker 1: the society at large because that's not that's made up,
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  Speaker 1: Like there's there's just women. There's no there's no society
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  Speaker 1: doing this. Like most men are doing what they want
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  Speaker 1: to do. And some men are like, you know, struggling
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  Speaker 1: with it because they're trying to like please women basically,
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  Speaker 1: but they're just like having a hard time with it
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  Speaker 1: because they're trying to give them what they want but
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  Speaker 1: also be who they are at the same time. And
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  Speaker 1: then there are men who say fuck that and they
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  Speaker 1: just do what they want. So that's not the part
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  Speaker 1: of society. That's that's feeding these guys contradictory demands. It's
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  Speaker 1: just women doing that, so that this is the truth
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  Speaker 1: of it. Right, Yet they despair of being able to
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  Speaker 1: fit into the seemingly contradictory demands made of them by
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  Speaker 1: their female romantic partners. That's all you need to say,
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  Speaker 1: which is true because women say one thing like I
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  Speaker 1: want this because I was told I should want this
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  Speaker 1: from men by like my peers and my teachers and
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  Speaker 1: TV and movies and you know, advertisements. But actually I
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  Speaker 1: don't want those things. You know, I'm whatever. I want
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  Speaker 1: a man who is a man I don't want or
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  Speaker 1: whatever that is right, I want a masculine man. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want like the a New Man and U m
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  Speaker 1: a n I don't want Pedro Pascal, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: want Kurt Russell or you know, young Russell Crowe or
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  Speaker 1: whatever and so like. So, yeah, I think that's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: And it says with nearly half considering giving up on
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  Speaker 1: love entirely, Yeah, because it's too much work. So that
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  Speaker 1: that's the that That's what I thought about that paragraph.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's those are some good thoughts. Let's let's move
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  Speaker 2: to the next one.
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  Speaker 1: All right. This fits with a demographic shift towards men
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  Speaker 1: and women remaining single. The proportion of Americans age twenty
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  Speaker 1: five to thirty four living without a spouse or a
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  Speaker 1: partner has doubled in five decades to fifty percent for
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  Speaker 1: men and forty one percent for women. In the UK,
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  Speaker 1: the Office for National Statistics last month predicted a twenty
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  Speaker 1: percent rise in single households by twenty thirty two, with
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  Speaker 1: the steepest surge in the thirty five to forty four
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  Speaker 1: age bracket. Then we have these stats here. Fifty percent
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  Speaker 1: of men have interacted with an AI partner. Fifty percent
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  Speaker 1: endorsed red pill misogynistic ideology. That's though those numbers need
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  Speaker 1: to get up more. Sixty two percent of men believe
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  Speaker 1: women expect too much from a relationship. Those numbers are
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  Speaker 1: very conservative.
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  Speaker 2: I'll say, yeah, yeah, although it's interesting, like a red
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  Speaker 2: pill misogynistic content with the okay, operationalize that for me,
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  Speaker 2: because I'm pretty sure that you put us in there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just means thying women could be part of
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  Speaker 1: the problem. And I mean that's that's really the most
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  Speaker 1: charitable way I can put it, yep, is that there
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  Speaker 1: are people who say, yeah, women are part of the problem.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: They don't even say the whole problem. And I you know,
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  Speaker 1: but that's still misogynistic ideology because the last thing or
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  Speaker 1: or they'll say feminism is the problem and they they
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  Speaker 1: can't have that. That that cannot that cannot be like
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  Speaker 1: that's like that's the thing they're caping for in this article.
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  Speaker 1: I guarantee it. It's not even women. It's just feminism
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  Speaker 1: itself has to be protected. It's not we didn't do it.
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  Speaker 1: We just believe in equality. Guys. H So.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say, like, yeah, these are rookie numbers.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Get those numbers up.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, youna, you need to be more suspicious of
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: women today, guys. The research goes some way to explaining
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: why men are turning humans into a species of panda.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: More men, Why men are.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Turning, why men are turning.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: This?
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: This is how men are suffering, guys, and this is
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: why they are doing this. Like that was really did
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: you notice that?
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Why men?
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: We go back up a bit, like just let's let's
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: go back up. Okay, let's do I mean, let's let's
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: just really summarize this. Okay, all right, So they are
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: now blaming men for this situation. Is it possible that
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the men are right and the average woman no longer
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: thinks that the average man is an acceptable partner, right,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe they're right. Maybe that's sixty two percent of
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: men believe women expect too much from relationship. In other words,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: women are no longer accepting the fact that an average
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: woman is deserves an average man, right, that that's that's
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: how it works, that how it be. But now women
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: are not accepting that because they're they're expects are out
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: of this world, like they're ridiculous, and men are noticing that,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: and they're saying that. But somehow the fact that men
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: are noticing is the reason why it's happening. This is
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: some serious three year old logic. Is this like what
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: the kind of logic that you have when you don't
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: you don't understand object permanence yet and you think that
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: if you can't see the monster, the monster can't see you,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: like it's it is. This is absurdity like this, this
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: is a thought that shouldn't come out of an adult's head.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: And yet here we are. Here we are. It has
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: been written down, It has gone through the editorial staff
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: at the Times who put a check mark in their
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: checkmark column and said, yeah, this is good to go everyone,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: the thought process of a three year old right here, Yeah,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: this is happening because men noticed it happening. If they
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: hadn't noticed it happening, it wouldn't be happening. So it's
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: men noticing it happening. That's the real misogyny. Okay, I
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: have to.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: That's all right. More men were willing, sorry, more men
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: were unwilling to undertake the compromise or self improvement relationships require,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: so they're just not willing to put to do the
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: work that Like, again, we already established that the landscape
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: is an absolute disaster and that women are, you know,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: at least putting out absolutely mixed signals, contradictory cultural demands
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: are being made, and it's not by men. It's only
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: by women. It's not even by men in society, whatever
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: that means. And men are like, yeah, you know what,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: it's not worth it. It's too dangerous and it's not
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: that's like not even taking into a the amount of
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: cultural damage that me too has done, and they're just like,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: why aren't men trying to fix this? Like that's that's it.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: We remember when we were at the we have all
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: the good men gone stage. Now we're at the Why
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: aren't men fixing the thing we broke? Yes, we're the past.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, but he has a problem. We just asked men
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: to fix it or just the.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Man that they do, and blame them for it being broken.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Why did you break this? No more? Why did you
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: let us break this?
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Why did you let us break this?
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: This, like I said, three year old logic?
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Yep. Okay. So, when faced with the idea quote, I
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: would have to change too much about myself, such as
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: my values or behaviors to make a serious relationship work
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: long term quote forty end quote, forty four percent of
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: men agreed, compared with thirty three percent of women. A
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: quarter of men bleakly said that they believe no one
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: would fall in love with them. A serious relationship was
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: too big a financial commitment, said forty one percent of men,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: significantly more than women. It comes as no surprise if
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: fifteen percent of men have interacted with an AI or
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: virtual partner.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, so the research goes some way to explaining why
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: men are turning humans into a species of panda. That's ridiculous. Okay,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: So now we've basically just pivoted men. Is anyone surprised
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: we're blaming men? Women expectations and relationships are insanely high? Why? Well,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: obviously because of men. Men did that, you know, and
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: women think that men are a poor choice in a
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: relationship partner. Obviously because of men, Not because of the
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: trillion dollar media narrative that basically describes men as the
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: worst possible option for women in their lives. No, it's
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: because of men. Did men change that much? Really? In
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: last couples? They're still doing the things that keep society running, right,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: There's not a heck of a lot that men did
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: are doing differently. Maybe there's more unemployment, but hell, go
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: back to the Great Depression. There was a lot then.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: So what's really going on here? Well, obviously, the thing
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: that we can't say is going on, which is really
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: astounding with that subtitle, is that women might be to
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: blame for some of this. Mm hm. I would have
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: to change too much about myself, such as my values
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: or behaviors to make a serious relationship work long term.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Forty four percent of men agreed, maybe it's because of
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: women's mad dash leftward? Yeah, like you like men are
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: noticing they now have to be an extreme leftist to
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: even be able to be considered as relationship worthy by women.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Except even if they did become an extreme leftist, they
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: would have to actually allow things potentially like she gets
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: to step out on him, you know that kind of stuff.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: How much of his personal life would he also be
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: expected to give up because he says, I would have
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: to change too much about myself. It's just it's not
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: just your values, which we are kind of covering there,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: but also like, you know, like I want to hang
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: out with my friends. Can I do that? I want
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: to you know, I have hobbies. I want to engage
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: in them. Whatever are those going to be like a problem? Like,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: because the thing is is that a lot of guys
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: do worry that women, if they get involved with them,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: will kill their social life outside of a relationship, right
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: not let them hang out with their friends. Women often
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: meddle in that stuff. And it's interesting that only thirty
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: three percent of women are worried about that, and like
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: it's a much lower number because they're probably like in
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the let's say the driver's seat in terms of options,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: so they're like, well, he's just gonna have to deal
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: with the fact that I'm going to have my girlfriends
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to go to the club and I'm
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: going to do this, and most men will just be
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: okay with it, so they're generally not concerned that, Like
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: basically women are not actually going to be expected to
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: change as much as men, which is why your women
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: are worried.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and doesn't that sort of say something about expectations
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: in the relationship for men and women right, Like, and
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: nobody's saying the obvious. Maybe there's an issue with controlling
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: abuse among women in order to be engaging in it
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: or perpetuating it with their male partners, and men are
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: noticing that. And also they're noticing that there's an asymmetry
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: in the amount of hand like the amount of control
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: men versus women wheeled over the relationship. Like in the UK,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: they just passed the law that it's no longer considered
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: like this is this like the precise opposite of shared custody.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: It's no longer considered to be in the best interest
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: of the child to maximize his or her time with parents.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: That's no longer considered in the best interest of the child.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: So if men had a shot in the UK, of
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: seeing their kids after divorce. So that's gone like that,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: that's it's like the exact opposite of shared custody, which
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: has been rolled out in Kentucky and now a few
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: more states, which is the presumption is that both parents
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: should have equal parenting time after divorce. Now in the UK,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: the presumption is that it's not even a good thing
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: if the child sees his father after divorce. That's not
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: even and that's not even, that's not even something you
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: really want to aim for. Ah, And the men in
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: the UK are like, I feel like I'm gonna have
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: to abide by another person who gets to make all
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: the major decisions for me in the relationship, because literally
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: they are relationship and the woman is unsatisfied, she leaves,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: she takes the kids, she gets half the stuff. There
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: you go. She's the one who's got the eject button,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: you know, and you're you're basically trying to have a
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: relationship with somebody who's you know, got the eject bucking
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: right here. It's always like, hmmm, are you good enough?
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Is your behavior good enough? Maybe I'll hit that button,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe you can, maybe you can step up, you know, constantly,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: and the fact is that men are mentioned or noticing this,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: and they're saying, hey, I got this pressure on me
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: and I don't know if I like it. And then
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: they're like, oh my god, there are a bunch of
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: masogyness for noticing.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: And so it's again it comes at no surprise. Oh yeah,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: one other thing about this paragraph too. She said a
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: quarter of men bleakly said that they believe no one
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: would fall in love with them. And then it follows
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: a serious relationship was too big a financial commitment said
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: forty one for percent of men, significantly more than women.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: So they don't give you the women statistic. And do
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: you know why men are concerned about financial commitments a
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: lot more than women are? For their part? Do you
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: guys know why? Can you guess? You guess what it
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: might be? Why men are more worried that they're not
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: making enough money to enter relationship and women are not
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: as worried, not even it's actually so so much less
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: that the person who wrote this article didn't even feel
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the need to put down the statistic for women. Can
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: you guess? I'll give you guys a guess. I'll wait,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: but anyway, put it in the chat. Yeah, yeah, I
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: think I think we know, but I think we got.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a slight impression, a possible thought of thought.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. Some sixty two percent of men agreed
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: that quote women have too many expectations of how men
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: should be in relationships these days. End quote, they're not wrong.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Most surprisingly, nearly half of women agreed with that one. Oh.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Even women are like, yeah, we do and it's fine.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Possibly related to this messy disconnection, almost a quarter of
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: young men age eighteen to thirty five admitted that they
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: actively sought out pornography that depicted strangulation or other violent content.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Second way much, that's a strange sidetrack or digression. So
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: they're just possibly related. This is a stretch. Are you
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: are you getting this?
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm just I'm like looking at this, I'm just like, oh,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: they did that? Did they? So? Some sixty two percent
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: of men agreed that women have too many expectations of
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: how men should be in relationships these days. Most surprisingly,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: nearly half of women agreed with that one. Okay, so
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: women are noticing too. Must be the internalized misogynies. Possibly
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: related to this messy disconnection, Almost a quarter of young
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: men age admitted they actively sought out pornography. That depicted
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: strangulation or other violent content. What does that have to
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: do with women having too many expectations? Are they amplying
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: that the expectations that women have is not being strangled.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Like no, I think the expectations might be that they
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: do strangle them. You know, women are into that, So
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: like it could be it could be that women want
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: more violent sexual con you know, like experiences, and men
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: are like not comfortable with that. And I get it,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Like it's not just because they're not a turn on,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: but also because like, dude, are you trying to get
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: me killed? Are you trying to get me thrown in
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: jail forever? Like what? So, Yeah, it's weird that they're
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: that they're they're they're trying to suggest about these things together. Yeah,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: they're smashing things, yeah for sure.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because they're trying to say that the values and
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: behavior is that men have to let go of are violent.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: They're really trying to pay a picture, desperately trying to
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: paint a picture. And what was the amount of women
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: who sought out violent violent content in their pornography or
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: romance novels like this is this is this is a
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: completely orphan statistic here, and it also, like, what, how
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: does this relate at all to women's expectations in a
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: relationship unless they're trying to say that women having high
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: expectations is related to violence in sexuality, So men are
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: failing to live up to women's expectations that they not
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: be violent, or alternatively, because men aren't living up to
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: women's expectations, they're becoming violent. Like this is just like
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: it's just like, you know, you go and there's some punch,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: you know, you're at a party and there's a punch,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: and there's a ladle and the cups and there's a
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: big fucking turd in there. That's what that sentence is.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: It's like that I was no, this is this is
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: this should This sentence is repulsive and it has nothing
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: to do with men. It has to do with what
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: these people are trying to slip into you in terms
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: of your conclusions. Yep, all right, let's get past the
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: turd in the punch bowl, all right?
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Uh. Gary Barker, CEO and founder of Equimundo is an
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: American developmental psychologist who, after witnessing a boy murdered by
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: another boy while sitting in their high school cafeteria in Texas,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: decided to spend his life working to help men to
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: become safer, healthier, and happier again a weird thing that
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: a turd in the bowl again. He has advised the
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: un okay on male violence and Equimundo is a nonprofit
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: organization based in Washington that offers international research and policy
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: ideas in this field. Lots of flags in that sentence.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: This is the first time and as research British men.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: What surprised him the most, Well, it was both surprising
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: and Barker replies, that state of lovelessness. So the world
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: of dating apps combined with porn, combined with I can't
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: say you're going too far.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: We gotta commentary otherwise we don't get much in the
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: way of some decent shorts. Okay, So what was both
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: surprising and sad was the state of loveliness, lovelessness. I
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: didn't actually say anything about the twenty five percent of
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: men think they will never be loved. Well, yeah, I'm
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: actually surprised it's that low considering what men are bombarded
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: with day in and day out. Right, Like if you're
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: if you're constantly telling and showing men things like adolescents
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: and destroying their prospects in relationship and destroying fairness in
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: family courts and also destroying their ability to have redress
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: when their partners are abusive. Well, you know what, that
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: stuff actually isn't relevant when they're taught constantly telling men
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: that they're the worst possible option for women and that
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: they are horrible people that are responsible for a systemic
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: targeting of women throughout all of human history, and they're
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: that awful, why would men think that they're Like, why
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: would you think that men would think they're lovable, that
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: they deserve love or they can be loved? Like, why
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: would you promote these narratives implicating men as responsible for
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: the longest running alleged atrocity in human history and then say, well,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: these men don't think that they feel they don't feel
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: like they're lovable, Yes, because you called them a pressors
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: for seventy five years. What do you think that's going
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: to do?
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: It is someone's.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Psychologically And then for some reason, men are once again
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: being blamed for being called oppressors for seventy five years
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: and coming out the other end and saying I don't
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: think I can be loved?
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Like what.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Delusion?
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Yep?
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, Now.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: The world of dating apps, combined with porn, combined with
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I can't be interesting to a woman until I have
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: a high income, combined with men spending more time online
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: and becoming socially isolated at higher rates than young women,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Barker says, summarizing the survey, So this is okay. I
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: think we have a generation of young men who in
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: some ways have atrophy relationship muscles. Listening to young men
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: in the UK, we hear some of that struggle that
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: leads to retreat. But I mean, like, are we going
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: to address these these issues that they say they have.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: You're just saying, well, they've given up. I guess he's like, well, look,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I don't make enough money for women, you know, and
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm socially isolated than higher at higher rates,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: so I'm more poorly socialized than women are. I think
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: this is a problem. And he's like, well, I guess
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: you guys are just like, why are you so acropheed?
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Why are you giving up? Why are you retreating from this?
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: It's well because they're recognizing the problem, but they have
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: to immediately pivot to we don't have to care about
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: this problem. This is actually men's fault. Therefore, nobody has
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: to care. You know, pack up the carrying you know,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: carring vans, pack up all the carrying boxes. We don't
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: have to care. Now, take them back to the care factory.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: No need to care here. They're doing it to themselves.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: The men are doing it to themselves. No need to
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: care here. Okay, all right, we'recoming socially isolated at higher
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: rates than women. Okay, well, can we go back to
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: that paragraph. I'm going to go specifically into that. So
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: seventy five years we've said that men are horrible people
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: who have participated in the largest, longest running atrocity ever
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: inflicted upon humankind. Feminists conjectures about oppression which have never
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: been proven guys never been proven true. Right, And we've
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: said to young men, young boys and men, you need
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: to take responsibility for rape, you need to take responsibility
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: for domestic violence, because you are the ones who use
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: these things to uphold your privileges. You are horrible, horrible people.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: You are horrible, nasty, nasty ass people. And now at
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: the end of all that, we're like, well, why are
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: they having trouble socializing? Why do they have problems with
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: social confidence? Why did they feel like nobody wants them?
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: I wonder where that came from. Hm hmm. It's like
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: watching nematodes with no understanding of cause out just sort
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: of squirming around in their slurry. Oh god, damn, yeah, yeah,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: shitting up the place, and then wondering why everything smells
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: like shit.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, um, okay. This chimes with many of
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: the survey's other findings. When asked about the statement no
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: one cares if men are okay these days, which we
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: were just talking about stick to, sixty three percent of
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: men agreed, compared with thirty nine percent of women. After
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: the Me Too movement, men were often nervous about the
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: new norms. Now, that's a weird segue again with that,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: like men when asked whether or not. When asked about
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: the statement no one cares if men are okay, the
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: majority of men agreed. And I don't think there's anything
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: wrong with that. That sounds correct like that that perception
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: at least, and they're just like, well, I guess they're
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: just nervous about the Me too movement. I mean that's
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: just women getting theirs, women standing up and speaking out.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I guess if you're nervous so it says more about
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: you than it says about us. Ha ha ha. I
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: don't know what the point of that is. We don't
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: think there's a huge amount of men who are being
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: falsely accused, Barker says, But you know, fear does not
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: work in rational ways. Do you want to say anything
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: to that.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: We don't think there's a huge amount of men who
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: are being falsely accused, but you know, fear does not
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: work in rational ways. Okay, So men have just decided
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: to be afraid irrationally, right, And you know what, for
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: something like this, it doesn't have to happen to a
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: lot of people for.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Their to be completely rational. Yeah, it's completely irrational.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: There doesn't have to be a lot of situations where
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: a woman destroys a man's life for no reason, for
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: a false accusation. Because women are petty, they are vindictive,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: just like any other human. Right, And if you give
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: women who are petty and vindictive like any other human
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: a weapon to enact their petty vindictiveness without any oversight,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: they will use it. And that's what me too was right.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: It was just increasing the scope of the harm that
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: women were able to inflict on men and they've been
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: able to do that. I mean then a freaking seventeenth
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: century I read a legal treatise about how easily it
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: was to accuse a man of rape and how difficult
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: it was to actually defend themselves against it. And that's
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: actually I've looked at the statistics from that time. If
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: you were a peasant woman who alleged that she was
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: sexually assaulted, you had the odds, the same odds as
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: any woman today of getting a conviction. People don't know that.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: But if you were a lady.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Whoever whatever, men you accused of sexually assaulting might as
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: well just have been blasted from the face of the
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: earth by a space laser.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: He was gone. And that was like two hundred years ago.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: So yeah, this has been a problem for a very
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: big time. But now me too has weaponized social media
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: and corporations and men's own careers to be used to
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: destroy them. And it doesn't have to happen to a
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: lot of men for there being to be a significant
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: chilling effect on men, particularly since men are very much
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: defined by what they do by their careers. That's where
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: their value is invested by our society and women right where,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: that's where the value is placed. I see that a lot.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I see that a lot of snide statements that people
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: make about men, right, that's where they put their value.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: So if a man loses his career because he said
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: hi to a woman when she I guessed she didn't
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: want to speed said hi to by a man who
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: was about approximately his attractiveness, Well, other men are gonna notice,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: and they're going to be like, Nope, that's that's it. Okay,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: I guess socialization is off the table. And then this
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: guy is saying, oh, it's rational fear. No, it isn't. No,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: it isn't, especially when you consider the benefit that men
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: get from socializing with women. At this point, is there
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: any like have women asked themselves that, is there any
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: benefit that I give to men for socializing with me?
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Do women ask that? Do they do they ask themselves?
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Is there any benefit to socializing with me in the workplace?
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Do men find any benefit in socializing with me in
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: the workplace? If they don't, why would they take a risk?
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Like the more you increase the power that you bring
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: to bear against men, if they you don't like anything,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: something bugs you, or you're just you want their promotion
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: or whatever else, the more they're gonna say, you know what,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: I don't get anything from socializing with women in the
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: first place, So why would I do it? Why would
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: I risk my life, my livelihood, the career I've built,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: and the thing that defines me as worthwhile to everybody
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: around me to socialize with Susie in accounting When all
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I'm going to get from Susie accounting if I don't
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: get a false accusation or rumors spread or them cackling
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: behind their hands at me, is some vapid bullshit about
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: a Tyler Swift concert and astrology. Like just just I'm
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: putting it out there. Maybe you priced yourselves out of
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: the market. And where did the whole thing that men
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: were socially atrophied come from?
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Well in this article?
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Or yea, was that another thing that was asked?
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. They don't he doesn't answer, like why
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: they're socially just that rather, you know, them checking out
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: is is a product of social apathy. He's basically like,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: assuming it's got to be anything except men are tired
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: of women's shit. It's got anything but that, you know.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, okay, all right, let's see another article.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: What's the problem with young men, my descent into the matosphere.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's we, that's old, that's somebody else. But yeah,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I think that we covered this one a while ago.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: It was June fourth of this year, and yeah, it
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: was some guy who infiltrated the manisphere. I think he
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: just went to like some Reddit posts, so watched like
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: some interviews, some secondhand information. Okay, So modern masculinity in
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Britain emerges from as an absurdly chaotic bundle of contradictions.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: First the good news. When asked to rank eighteen traits
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: that meant being a man, the results were touchingly wholesome.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: The top ranked, descending in descending order for men and
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: for women, was first being a friend, then helping those
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: who need it, and third providing for the family. Okay,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: so is that like some leap forward or is that
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: just what it meant to be a person for like
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know all of time? Like, like, are is
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: modernity taking credit for these top three answers that men
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: are giving. Yes, feminism taking credit for this. We did this,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: We did.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: This of course, of course, is taking credit for that.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Even though they've been these, these have been this has
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: been the top ranked choices since time and memorial, like, yeah,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: this is this is what has actually happened. And I
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: wonder if they'll go into this that these aren't actually
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: mask aren't considered masculine traits. This isn't really because you're
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: saying being a man, Well, then you're saying this is
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: not being a woman. And you can't do that. You
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: can't associate positive traits mostly or solely with masculinity and
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: being a man that women aren't supposed to have equal
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: access to, right, And that's the I wonder if I'd
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: be surprised if they don't mention that, but they might not.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Let's see, maybe, Okay.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: The bottom four what the bottom fours, that's where we stopped, right.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the bottom four ranked were being in charge, making
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: lots of money, managing conflict with violence, and having many
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: sexual partners, all of which rated higher for men than
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: for women. Yeah.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Well that's that is literally the feminist toxic mask, which
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: is the only form of masculinity that they allow, because
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: they don't associate any positive traits with masculinity the way
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: they associate negative traits with masculinity. And I know this
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: by inference, but also because I have asked this question
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: for fifteen years now and have never received a response.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: The closest they've gotten is to refer to traditional positive
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: traits of masculinity. But then I say, do you believe
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: that these traditional positive traits associated with masculinity are genuinely
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: truly associated with masculinity or do you think it is
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: bias against women by people who adhere to traditional masculinity
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: norms by saying that these are masculine traits rather than
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: universal human goods that women not only are equally capable
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: of doing, but even do more of, you know, like
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: this is and they never so this when they say
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: TX that is toxic masculin the lower four traits, that
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: is the masculinity that feminism associates with men and manliness, right,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: what would you? I'm actually surprised it's that low that
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: that people aren't just you know, saying what feminists want
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: them to say, which is that being a man is
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: making lots of money, being in charge, managing conflict with violence,
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: and having many sexual partners. Surprised because that's the last bit,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: but that's what feminism says masculinity is.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Well, the other thing is if women have those traits,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: are those considered bad traits. So a woman is being
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: in charge, making lots of money, and managing conflict with violence,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: and having many sexual partners. I can I know at
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: least three of those four when women display them, are
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: not just like, not bad traits, but they're girl boss traits,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: are they not? Yeah? Okay, just making sure all right.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: However, while men collaborating on the hypocrisy.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I just want to add to it because
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: I think it's important that they only see this as
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: a problem when men display it. So, However, while men
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: said the key part of their identity as men was
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: being a good friend, they found this hard to put
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: into practice. Nine, I don't know if this was this
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: other thing too, is that I don't know if this
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: study has like the answer like a multiple choice answers,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: So one of the answers is being a friend, or
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: if that's literally what men said. I don't think that's
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: what men would say. But because I don't know, friend
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: is like that that sounds a little genderless, like you're
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: just like like we're all we all want to be
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: good friends, right, But I don't know, it's just I
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: wonder if that's not a multiple choice question and that
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: was the closest thing to you know, being like a
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: loving husband or something that they could pick on. No, yeah, anyway,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: so some fifty nine percent of men agreed, I have
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: to look out for myself, No one has my back
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: compared with a minority of women.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: What they're doing here. However, while the men said the
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: key part of their identity as men was being a
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: good friend, they found this hard to put into practice,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: throwing shade like this. This entire article has been throwing
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: shade and blaming men me which attempting to grapple with
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: the concept of them having problems.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Same.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some fifty nine percent of men agreed. So what
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: they're saying is that men say they're good friends, but
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: they're terrible friends in practice.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: I have to look out for myself, No one has
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: my back compared to a minority with a minority of women.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: All right, keep going, all right.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Men were twice as likely as women to agree with
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: quote men should figure out problems on their own rather
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: than ask for help, and.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Quote, well did did did the women agree with that?
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Or did the women agree with women should figure out
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: problems on their own rather than ask for help. That's
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: a little bit obscure. Yeah, men or twice as likely
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: as women do.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Grow.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because women are going to say what they think
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: is socially appropriate.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Yep, it's true.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's and the other thing is that this article
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: is self demonstrating, right, Like, this article is demonstrated, says.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: It talks about men's issues, but then reframes them as
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: things that they need to what is it figure out
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: on their own? Like, yeah, so a lack of self awareness.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: My name is the times. Okay, I'm gonna squeeh, you
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: gonna squishm gonna be squished, all right, all right.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: It is a contradiction. We know boys and men are
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: crying out for that, Barker says, a close friendship. But
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I think we have to take it as aspirational again,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: like I think that men want to form bonds with
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: other men and friendships, but I don't know that. I
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: don't I don't know if that's like an environment that's allowed,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: because whenever men try to create a space of their own,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: you know, it gets it gets essentially overturned by the
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: cultus China, the sisterhood. Yeah, all right. The saying goes
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: for the mixed signals men get from women when asked
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: whether being a parent is the most important job in
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: the world, eighty percent of men agreed, more than women. Yet,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: when presented with the idea that men who are full
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: time fathers are not seen as real men, a third
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: of women agreed, not far off from the forty two
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: percent of men.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Did these people understand under their own results? The individuals
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: responding this survey may not I agree that men who
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: are full time fathers are not real men. They may
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: not agree with it, but they may recognize that it
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: is a commonly seen attitude towards men. Like so, I
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: don't know, this seems like it's it's badly interpreting the results.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, uh no, I mean again, like
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: being okay, you can. I don't think these things are contradictory.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: You can. You can understand that being a parent is
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: the most important job in the world without necessarily believing
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: that men who are full time fathers are not seen
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: as real men or what. And I also agree with
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: that because well, because men who try to do the
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: full time father thing often become less attractive in the
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: eyes of their wife. And look, if you worked it out,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: then that's fine, but it's not it's not like you
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: can just normalize it with a statement. I don't know
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: if you know what I'm saying. Right, So they're trying
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: to present these things as contradictions, but I don't think
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: they are. Okay, so they went for the questions that
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: we're trying to but yeah, sorry, go.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Ahead, No, they're not contradictions. But they're also even even
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: if the men, hello, can you hear me?
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can hear you.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Even if the men eighty percent of the men agreed
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: that being a father was important, they eighty percent of
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: the men could also agree that men are seen men
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: who are full time bothers are not seen as real men.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: And yet they may say they should be seen as
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: real men, right, because that's not like. So the way
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: that this article is juxtaposing these two statements is absurd,
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: and it's like, I I think that this this article,
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: this paragraph just nullifies itself into complete noise. Just move
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: on to the next paragraph. My autistic brain cannot handle.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: This, Okay, m for the questions that we're trying to
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: tease out, how far men agreed with so called red there, Yeah,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: can you not hear me? Hello?
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Have I dropped out?
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: No, I'm here to the next paragraph. Can he hear me, Alison?
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Hello? What's going on? Video packet
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: lawsy indicator? Greed is good? Yeah, it's green, it's good.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Flames Alison, are you I can't hear you if you're talking?
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can hear Okay, Wow.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: There it's a delay. Yeah she dropped. I'm going to
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: read the next paragraph in the meantime. Okay. So the
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: same went for the questions that we're trying to tease
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: out how far men agreed with so called red pill
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: ideas about masculinity expoused by manosphere influencers such as Andrew Tate.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Here we go again, so a notice what they do
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: here is they say red pill ideology or red pill ideas,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: and then they mentioned manosphere influencers, and then they drop
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Andrew Tait as the name, as though he is the
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: face of the manosphere. And I just want to like,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: for the record, we've been doing this for over ten years,
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Andrew Tate, we have only heard about Yeah, I think
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: you are. Andrew Tait only like surfaced a couple of
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: years ago. So he's just become the face of it,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: and I don't even know that he's done anything lately anyway.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter because he is the useful sort
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: of like you know boogie man that they like to
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: trot out. I don't even know what the guy believes.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: I don't care. Because we've been doing this longer. We
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: have a better understanding of what's going on. We're looking
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: at the law and the policy and we're discussing it.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: You know, calmly. I'm not flashing a bugatti, I'm not
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: smoking cigars. I'm not creating a character and playing it.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: I'm just being me. And we have been super effective.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: You know. There's like making a difference in the military,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: making a difference in the government, making a difference in
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: certain states on policy, having conversations. But I've like raised
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: awareness on this stuff for a long time. But I'm
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: not useful to them. I'm not like the face of
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: misogyny that they want to put out there. So they
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: just say they just invoke Andrew Tate. They invoke him
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: like a spell, and then it's supposed to just make
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: people go, oh my god, he is so scary. I
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: don't want to be like that, and I'm sorry, but
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: if you fall for that, then you're easily manipulated and
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: that's that's a that's too bad. So but anyway, it's
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: kind of it's meaningless at this point because that's what
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: they're gonna do. So roughly half of men endorsed thumb
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: regressive or red pill ideas, but in many cases it
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: was women's support for these views that was the more surprising.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: So there were some women that were Okay, So again,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: let's let's look at this. There they said manosphere influencers
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: like Andrew Tate, so they're not actually in the questions.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: It may not have mentioned his name, It may not
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: have even used the terms red pill or manisphere at all.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: It may just have just said, you know, like I
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: don't know, I like traditional masculinity, or maybe like men's
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: rights activists, content, you know, uh, stuff like child custody,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: false allegations, paternity fraud, wrongful paternity, circumcision, you know, domestic violence.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Like that's sort of like you know, bi directional, and
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: and I'll countless other issues that are male issues specifically
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: that are either ignored or underserved or whatever. And maybe
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: that's how the questions were asked. I doubt that, but
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think that they necessarily said Andrew Tait. But
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: if these guys responded in the affirmative for you know,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: like essentially supporting any ideas about masculinity of some kind.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: Alison's trying to fix her computer stuff, then if they
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: they that might count towards it, even if they weren't
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: necessarily supporting it explicitly. So all right, let's see. So yeah,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: but it is interesting. So they're shocked and appalled by
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: the fact that there are some women who also acknowledge
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: these problems exist and that men have issues, and that
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: feminism is not was not a necessarily positive thing for society.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's an understatement. I know I'm downplaying it
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: quite a bit, but I'm trying not to make the
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: people in the special Chat blow a gasket by saying
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: feminism was absolute cancer for everything, and it's basically put
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: us in this position so where we're basically losing our civilization.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: All Right, Women and men are swimming in the same
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: water about these ideas about manhood, Barker says, young men
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: will tell us women want a guy who looks a
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: certain way and is a breadwinner. We are very aware
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: that for men in heterosexual relationships there are huge expectations
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: that can be quite traditional among women, even as women
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: are telling us we don't want to depend on a man,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: and it's even unfashionable in some circles to say you
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: have a boyfriend. These days, we hear young men talk
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: about how complex and difficult that is. And quote again,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: though a lot of women do want a you know,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: a guy who looks a certain way and is a
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: breadwinner and is very traditional. And what's interesting is is
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: that feminists will tell men that they have to change
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: their ways, they have to like disregard their toxically masculine
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: behaviors and ways of being and so on, and that
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: they have to like adopt a new kind of masculinity
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: that's more social, ie, become a socialist man, because that's
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: really what it is about. And yet they won't ever
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: tell women that they have to accept that because they
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: know they can't. And I've been saying this since I
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: started doing this, is that if you really want to,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: if feminists really want to change like generals and dating
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: expectations and all, that they also have to tell women
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: what they have to want as well. And the truth
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: is they won't do that because women are not going
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: to change their preferences generally, and so that this is
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: a double bind that they're in. So all right, let
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: me see what you guys are saying really quick. While
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: I'm waiting for Alison because I don't want to read
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: too much into this. While she's like fixing her computer,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: we're we're just doing some like spur of the moment
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: computer repair now. So I was wondering about this because
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: my streams seems really stable now, but when she was on,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: it was like I was getting CPU overload and stuff,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: and uh, hold on, I'm sorry Alison is saying that's
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: something wrong with her computer or she thinks that there is.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: All right, so let's see what you guys are saying.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Murder of Crows says every male space that's ever existed
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: has been smashed decades ago. There's nothing left, not even
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: a peaceful men's only tavern to suck back a cheap beer. Yes,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: they can't. They don't let them. They can't. They won't
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: let them have their own spaces. They don't trust men
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: with other men. That I mean, like and and I
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: think that it's been a like it's been problematized like
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: socially so that women think that when men get together
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: and talk to each other like bad things happen, so
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: they feel the need to meddle. And they also are
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: very like, let's say, insecure about men hanging out with
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: other men. So yeah, they tend to break it up.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: So let's see, Merlin, you guys are having a conversation there.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what that's about. Let's just
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: look in the in the main chat here I've been,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: Allison says. I think waiting until the computer restarts will
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: be quicker potentially either way. Continue, Yeah, I am continuing.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: Allowing men to talk to each other would lead them
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: to start noticing too much. Yeah, that's that's true. Tate
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: is a turd, a poostate on the underpants of the manisphere. Well,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can say whatever you want about him.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: It doesn't change the fact that he's out there and
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: he's popular. So I don't I don't really see the
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: utility and calling him a piece of shit, unless you know,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: you just want me to signal that I'm not on
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: like on his side or something. But I hate doing that.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that. Like, he's out there, he's
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: doing his thing, so you know it, Like, honestly, if
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: we if we had our shit together, and men and
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: women were like getting married and they were having kids,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: and there weren't all these problems with single motherhood and
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: you know, homelessness and mental health issues and like children
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: being abused and boys getting their penises sliced up for
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: circumcision and all these other things. Then Andrew Tate wouldn't
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: exist because there'd be no demand for the guy like that.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: So he only exists because things have gotten this bad,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: and if things get worse, somebody worse than him is
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: gonna come. And I don't really want to waste my
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: energy saying, well, I'm not with that guy. I'm not
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: gonna do that. I'm not gonna do it because y'all,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: not you guys watching, but the people at home or
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: the people in the media, and the part of the
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: cathedral that put out these threat narratives about men and
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: women are the reason why he exists. So you get
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: what you fucking deserve. And this is why we are
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: in a position we're in. And I don't feel a
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: damn thing about that. No shame, So I'm not going
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: to condemn anybody. Do what you gotta do, will What
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: I want is the truth, and I'm willing to let
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: anyone who wants to have a conversation, have a conversation
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: to get there. And if you don't like that, well,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: you know, I guess just suck it up, Buttercup, So
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: all right, uh tango, hierarchy is in the special chat,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: being very special. He's like completely obsessed. Computer appears dead
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: else it says, oh my god, is Jonathan there? Or
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: are you just like being a woman on this thing?
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: It'll take me ten minutes to walk home. Okay, go
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: all right, let's see. And then you wonder why feminism
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: is a thing. Well, it was a thing so that rich, entitled,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: elite women could like redirect funds from common people to
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: themselves ultimately, So congratulations, you're with the establishment. That's really
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: what it is. I'm on your side, Brian, I know
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: who you are. Peter Houston uh Kinoko says women have
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: the power to destroy men's reputations with mere words. Once
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: your reputation is shattered, it's very difficult to recover and
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: never back to where you were before you were sabotaged
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: by a bad woman. Betty doesn't engage just insults. What
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: do you mean insults? Do you know your wife in
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: real life? Yeah? She lives with me, Like, what do
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: you want me to prove? It? Want me to prove
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: I have a wife? That's so silly. How old are
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: you ten? Like it's not even relevant. How about this.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: I make arguments and then you give me arguments that
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: counter those arguments based in facts and logic, and then
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: we'll go forward from there. Okay, you're eleven, yeah, okay,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: and well I'm gonna ignore. You shouldn't be watching this.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: This is not for kids. This is like hard stuff
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: to digest. You could just regurgitate feminist talking points if
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: you want to, but you don't even know what they mean.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: So all right, anyway, let's see women and men are
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: swimming in the same Okay, so yeah, so women are
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: asking for these things too because they do ultimately want
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: a more traditional many. That's what they want and they
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: but they're getting mixed messages because they're told they're not
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: supposed to want that, even though that's what they want,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: and that comes out in the media they consume and
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: in the things they that they respond to, the things
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: that they ask for and expect, So like they're expecting traditionalism.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Feminism is telling men that they're not allowed to be
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: traditional and that's creating the conflict because feminists will never
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: tell women that that's not what they should want unless
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: those women go against feminism and they criticize it in
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: some way, like Kristen Dunst did so. All right, Sure,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: many men have had views that align with the more
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: hard right online influencers, which was perhaps informed by the
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: greater time they spent online on average a couple of
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: more hours a day compared with women. A third of
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: men compared with a quarter of women, said their online
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: social life was more rewarding than real life. A third
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: of men compared with the quarter of women. Yeah, well,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: I guess they're not like I said. And that's another
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: thing too, is that if they're younger. You have to
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: consider that we were all told to stay in our
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: homes for about a year or two, depending on what
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: part of the world you were in, and it may
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: have had an effect on people's ability to develop their
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: social life skills during that time. It's if you were
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: really young, right, So we're talking about kids that were
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: in school that had to stay indoors for like a
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: year or two, and then they're there, they come out
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: and they're older and maybe even post pubescent and they're like,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: you know, how, like how do you even navigate? And
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: everyone's on social media and stuff, so it's it's more difficult.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: And again this is I say this with a lot
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: of sympathy. I couldn't imagine what that would be, like,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: I'm I feel blessed to have been growing up in
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: a time before the internet. So I had to actually
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: go out, go outside, touch grass. Right, So let me
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: see Allison's walking home, so she's gonna be jumping on
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: a little while. But murder of Crow says, at this point,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: some suspect the women ultimately desire a comatose corpse of
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: a man with an erect fecundity Pallas with a magic
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: infinity wallet attached. I don't. I mean, I think I
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: don't think women really want that. I think they do,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: like most of them do want a man, but they're
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: just being sold a bunch of lies about men. And
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: if anything, you know, the supposed gender war is something
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: that feminists perpetrated like over one hundred years ago. And
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: the truth is, you know a lot of people talk
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: about traditional men or conservatives or whatever, but there are
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: no conservatives that like, they don't exist, they don't there's
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: just feminists of today, and then there's feminists of ten
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: years ago, and then there's feminists fifteen years ago. And
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: if you really want to look at something from a
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: conservative perspective, you have to go like pre Victorian era.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: That's the only way, and there aren't many of those,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: which is why there is a class of conservative I
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: guess they call themselves paleo conservatives, but even a lot
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: of those guys and gals are pretty like feminist in
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: their own way. I think that there is a relationship
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: between feminism and gynocentrism that it benefits, like a symbiotic
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: relationship that is beneficial to itself. It's self serving, which
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: is why we have well, like I said, like, we
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: have people who are feminists of today and feminists of yesterday,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: but they're all feminists. Like there are no like I mean,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: if you really want to get like truthful about it,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: there hasn't been anything truly conservative since the fucking Enlightenment,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: so like, but I'm willing to give that we can
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: look back at least as far as you know, like
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: the Victorian age, but I think anything after Mary Wilson
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: craft is basically cooked. So we're like living in a
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: you know, definitely a post feminist time. But anyway, Sherlock
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: Holmes is popular. Merlin says, we started and funded the
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: woman's movement so we could tax both sexes. That way
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: we could put women to work and take their children
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: to control. David Rockefeller. Yeah, but it's older than Rockefellers.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: It's older than the Rothschilds. It's older than it's like
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: I said, it was like when Well, I mean, there's
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: probably something that looked like it during the time of Rome,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: but I'm guessing that that. I think that the reason
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: why I bring it up is I see a lot
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: of people talking about, like, you know, the right, and
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: how they're just as bad or worse or whatever. The
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: truth is, Like I said, it's the when we describe
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: the bluepill world, we're talking about a world in which
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: a form of feminism is normal, and people wouldn't even
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: call it that. They would call it just like you know,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: the world. They wouldn't even give it and give it
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: a name. They wouldn't say it's feminist. They would just
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: say it's the normal world. But it is ultimately a
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: product of a liberal world order that has existed for
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: dec like centuries probably, and we're in that and we're
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: embedded in that and there's no real escaping that, right, So,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: like there's no point in the distinctions because that's the
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: world we live in. But anyway, kinocentrons and roots are
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: largely borne from mistakes by conservative It's it's but it's
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: an elitist thing. It comes from the elite. Like it's
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: an elitist perspective on courtship and romance, and it was
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: it's a twisted version of chivalry. Chivalry is real and
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: it's a good thing. It's like honor and stuff, but
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: it's it's not necessarily meant to be what it is today,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: and it was created by people who have too much
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: time on their hands because they lived a good life
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: and they wanted to normalize it everywhere. And it just
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: doesn't work. I mean, it shouldn't have worked for them,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: and it's not working. Sometimes things don't break over like
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: right away. They take time. So all right, anyway, Allison
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: should be on in a little while. I'll try to
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: read a little bit more of this, but uh, I'll
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: just keep an eye out in the meantime. So all right,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: men sixty eight percent of them were more likely than
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: women forty five percent of them to agree that they
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: could have their reputations destroyed just for speaking their minds. Okay, yeah,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: well I think women are generally a little bit safer
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: from cancelation. This is not now, this is about cancel culture.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: Not necessarily me too, because the statement is they that
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: they could, that they agreed that they could have their
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: reputations destroyed just for speaking their minds. So women are
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: a bit naive if they think that that they're immune,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: because I don't think they are, but it certainly can
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: happen to them. They're not immune, they're more resilient. I
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: suppose because they're women, there's like generally like more consideration
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: for them, a little bit more charity to what they say.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: But I don't think it's true. Look at what happened
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: to Sidney Sweeney. He did a commercial for jenes and
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: everybody wanted to destroy her life. Now they didn't succeed
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: because it was just like flailing online and stuff, but
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: you know, they're still trying to destroy her life. And
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: chall she did was an ad But I think men
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: would definitely like have more to deal with. Let just
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: look at a disease. I'm sorry who just went on
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: an awkward date. With a girl, and he has basically
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: disappeared from public life it seems anyway. Also, men have
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: it harder than women when it comes to new opportunities
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: and are more likely to support getting rid of diversity
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: hiring programs. Yes, because it excludes them, because it's not inclusive,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: it's exclusive. Men know that DEI programs are not for men,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: even men of like say, minority group status like black men,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: brown men, whatever, Even those guys are not considered when
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: there is a woman applying. So they there and they're
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: interested in meritocracy. Ultimately, they're more interested in that in
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: this context. Men's strong opinion that people take jokes about
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: typical men and women's stereotypes too seriously these days is unsurprising. Well,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: they do, but I don't think take I don't think
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: men care about jokes about men, because there's all kinds
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: of jokes about men. It's actually normalized. Like the whole
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Kamala Harris presidential campaign was based on
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: stereotypes about men, and so was a U. The attempt
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: at bud Light to course correct after that disastrous campaign
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: with Dylan mulvaney where they tried to say, oh, look
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: this is a beer for men. Let's let's bring let's
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: bring men back. And they put like guys barbecuing and
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: beer bellies and stuff, and they thought that would work,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: but it was so like cartoonishly on the nose. So yeah,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: they're they're basically embolden to do stuff like that when
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: it comes to men, but not women. You can't do that.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: I remember with women, all they did was they had
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: a campaign. It was like the Beach body Ready campaign
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: that was years ago, and all it was was a woman,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: a fit woman in a bikini for some kind of
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: protein product or some something. I don't even remember what
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: it was about. And women lost their shit over it,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: and I don't even know like they got taken down
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: or whatever, but I do remember there was a period
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: in time where all these like soap like uh was
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: the oil of Olay soaps and stuff, We're all like
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: featuring like fat women and brown women and women with
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: hairy armpits, and it was just to like say, man,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: all bodies are beautiful, you know, don't uh, don't come
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: after us because they were scared. So there is definitely
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: like some people you can do that too, and some
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: people you cannot do that too. There's definitely two sets
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: of standards there. So does Barker feel more or less
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: optimistic about men finding love after this research. I'm very
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: excited my friendship coming out what I'm very excited by
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: friendship coming out top of what it means to be
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: a man. Okay, he says, that feels to me like
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: a gain in the world. That and the men saying
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: fatherhood is the most important thing in their life. They're
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: beating the there's a beating heart of men needing to
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: be connected, caring humans. So I feel panic, but panic
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: with a deep hope that men actually can and do love.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: So there's okay, So there's no there's no solutions. They're
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: just like, well, maybe this is like typical New York
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: Times clicked bait, bullshit, no answers, no nothing. Theo Vonn interviewed,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry in October. By the way, oh that's cool.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: Is he doing okay? Treat yourself. Alison's still not back yet.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on there. So anyway, I've
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: read the article, and I guess what I'll say is
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: as usual, these people don't offer any solutions. They do
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: studies and then they like they infer conclusions like, oh, well,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: men do they do apparently want to have friends and
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: be dads. It's like, yeah, like do you need to
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: study for that? You need to do a study so
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: you can figure that out? So obvious. I mean, how
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: about just let them? How about we encourage and support
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: men and forming like friendships and brotherhood with other men
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: and then leave them the fuck alone. How about that?
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: Is that?
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: What do you think about? Is that a good idea?
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe stop getting on their ass and hey, if they
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: like watch some Andrew Tait videos or some red Pill content,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: stop freaking out and don't worry about it, because the
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: worst thing that will happen is well, I don't even
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: think that there it's gonna become anything bad. Like they
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: find somebody and that person wants to be with them.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: Like even a lot of men who like get into
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: the whole pickup artists thing, they're not doing it so
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: they can, like, you know, run through a bunch of women.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: Most of them are just trying to find a woman
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: and they're looking to get their foot in the door.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: All right, Alison's back. I just got to connect to
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: I got to connect to your thing. Hold on, all right,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: give me a second they can't hear you talking, so
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: don't say anything. No, not yet. All right, it should
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: be coming up here in a second. Yeah, there you are. Okay,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: so you've got some misplaining to do. I guess.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: My laptop blew up with the badger kid. I don't
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: know what else to say.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: It was heating up. It was heating up. Yeah, I
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: noticed that. Well, when I was doing my stream, I
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: was looking at you know, like in the video Ninja,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: I can look at the uh the upload bit rate
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: and a bunch of other like statistics, and I saw
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: that it said the CPU is overheated. And I thought
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: it was my CPU. So I was like trying to
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: like figure out, you know, moving things around. But then
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: when you dropped out, it was fine. So I guess
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: my my back room is looking at your computer too,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: so I guess it was. It was overheated.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: That's slightly creepy, but yeah, a little bit. And how
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: much more did you get done?
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: I finished the article? Oh yeah, I did. I just
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: finished it. I'm going to give you the summary.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: Sure, sure, okay, go ahead.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: Well there's no solutions and they're not blaming anybody. But
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: the guy says at the end, the guy who conducted
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: the study, He's basically like, well, I'm very excited by friendship,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: coming out of coming out top of what it means
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: to be a man. So he's excited by the fact
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: that men are like, hey, I want to be a
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: friend and that feels to me like a gain in
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: the world. That and the men saying fatherhood is the
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: most important thing in their life. There's a beating heart
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: of men needing to be connected carrying humans. So I
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: feel panic, but panic with a deep hope that men
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: actually can and do love. So I feel like men
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: are capable of love, and it's a little bit encouraging. Yeah,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: but that wasn't.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: Really the question, was it. It was whether or not society
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: And by society, I mean women can love men. That
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: was the question, Like where where was it in question
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: that men did want love and we're capable of love.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: I think the real sad stat there, which I'm actually
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: surprised at and hire, is that twenty five percent of
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: men felt like they couldn't be loved. How did it
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: become about men being loving again? You see what It's
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: like a reversal of men being loved. But I take
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: heart the fact that men are still capable of love.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's yes.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: That's that's not the stated problem. That's like, then that's
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: not even addressing the stated problem. Like that's what was.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: That men want to love despite thinking that they can't
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: be loved, that they are unworthy of love, but they
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: want to And I'm encouraged by that. Nothing about women
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: though there's nothing about women. There can't we can't talk
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: to them, that we might have to hold them to
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: some kind of standard, like you know, because that ultimately,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: if most men don't feel like women give a shit
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: about them, because that's what that's what comes up more
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: and more and more, is that they're really good for
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: what they can provide, what they bring to the table.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: They're not expected to be cared for, They're not expected
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: to get support. That's what the all of the questions
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: are leaning towards. Right. Men don't think they have a
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: support network. Men don't think women are capable of loving them,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: or at least some of them don't. Men don't don't
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: feel like they can make enough money, that they can
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: check enough boxes all this stuff, and yet and yet
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: they still want to love them. They still have it
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: in them to be fathers. They still have it in
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: them to want to have friends in their network. And
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: so you see what where men are at. It's laid out,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: and they're still like, gosh, I don't know what are
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: they doing wrong? Like it's just what are the men
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: doing wrong? They must be doing We got to figure
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: out what they're doing wrong. So, yeah, whose fault is it?
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: It's men's fault. According to the Times.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: Like this paragraph, does Baker feel more or less optimistic
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: about men finding love after this research? Okay, let's count
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: how many ways he actually addresses the question. I'm very
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: excited about friendship coming on top of what it means
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: to be a man. That is not addressing the question,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: and in fact, it's throwing shade about men in the
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: past and saying, oh, they've finally evolved. Oh look, modern
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: times has made men human. That feels to me like
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: a gain in the world. Why would that be a gain.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: That?
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: And the men saying fatherhood is the most important thing
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: in their lives. So the fact that men now probably
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: they always thought that being a friend was important, but
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: now they put it out on top, and they put
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: fatherhood out on top, is a gain for the world.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: Why would that be a gain for the world if
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: men can't be friends or fathers no matter how much
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: they want it. You see what I'm saying, Like it's
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: reframing it that that is blaming men again, right, it's
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: refocusing it on men are the reason why this problem is. Right,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: it's not men have problems. They are the problem. Yes,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: it's good, like they're making progress to solving the problem.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: Because now, unlike in all of human history, where the
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: top of the list were meant for men was enslaving
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know, driving their enemies before them and hearing
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: the lamentations of their women. You know those fifties fathered,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: you know your fathers, that was their prime. You know,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: that was the first thing on their list. The Victorian
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: dads who wrote really eloquent letters about how much they
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: love their children, the first on their list was driving
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: their animal is before them and hearing the lamentations. That
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: has been the first on men's list time immemorial. Don't
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: don't listen to all the letters and epitaphs and songs
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: that men have written. It's always been violence and sex
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: that have been the first things on their lists that
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: have defined them. Because get to help the epic of Gildash,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: you know, and how it was a long poem about
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: a callo and feckless young man learning to be a
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: proper king. No, that's nonsense. He was always good when
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: he was just aggressive. That's what men have always wanted.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: But now now we have optimism because men have finally
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: become sort of human, you know, they want to be friends,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: they want to be fathers. They're sort of human now
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: for the first time in human history. And then and
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: then that to me feels like a gain in the world.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: That and men say, Okay, that's a beating heart of
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: men needing to be connected, caring humans. Okay, so how
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: did men? How does that help the problem about men
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: finding love? Okay? How does saying that men want to
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: find love solve the problem of them finding love? So
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: you see that this is blaming men here, right, it's
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: saying the reason why they're not finding love was sometime
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: in the past they didn't want to be friends and fathers.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: Right there, you go, that's one man. And then there
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: was that that blaming men that was so baffling. Where
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: was that it was? It was up ahead. But research
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: goes some way to explaining why men are turning humans
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: into a species of panda.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: You remember that, yes, yes, yes, it was like early.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: On, women's standards are too high, the average woman doesn't
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: think that the average man is worthy of her. And
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: then suddenly we pivot from that to research goes some
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: way to explaining why men are turning humans into a
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: species of panda, Like, what would what would it take
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: for this through this writer to realize it's not men
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: choosing not to have relationships. Men are like, we want
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: to have relationships. Women are like, fuck no, we hate
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: those fuckers. And this research is why how is it
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: that men are to blame for the lack of relationship formation? Here?
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: What's going on? That's the second way, Like, actually, that's
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: the first bizarre way of blaming men for everything. And
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: then in here somewhere is I'm pretty sure blaming men
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: for everything because they're far right.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: Well entertate the manisphere? Manisphere? Do you want to hear
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: that bit about the manisphere? All right, let's see if
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: I can find it here. Okay, The same win for
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: questions that we're trying to tease out, how far are
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: men agreed with the so called red pill ideas about
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: masculinity espoused by men as fear influencers such as Andrew
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: Tait Tate Tate Tate. Roughly half of men endorse some
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: regressive or red pill ideas. Yes, red pill ideas are
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: totally regressive? Do you even know what they are? But
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: in many cases it was women's support for these views
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: that was the more surprising. What so, yeah, there are
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: women and men are swimming in the same water about
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: these ideas about manhood, Barker says, young men will tell
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: us women want a guy who looks a certain way
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: and is a breadwinner. We are very aware that for
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: men in heterosexual relationships there are huge expectations that can
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: be quite traditional among women, even as women are telling
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: us we don't want to depend on a man, and
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: it's even unfashionable in some circles to stay you have
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: a boyfriend. These days we hear young men talk about
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: how complex and difficult that is.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, because women want them to be providers, but they
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: don't want to be provided for because that feels icky.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: Men, Yeah, good luck, good luck with that one. Well,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: because it's it's like do I do I get what
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: makes me happy? Or do I get what will what
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: will make my girlfriends happy?
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: You don't understand women want to be provided for, but
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: they don't well sorry, yeah, women want to be provided for,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: but they don't want to feel like it.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, they feel independent while men are providing for Why
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: can't you get this? Why don't you do why can
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: you not do this? Just have to provide for women,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: but don't make them feel like they're being provided for.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: Don't you get it? It's so simple? Why can't men
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: do this? Experience? What? What is wrong with men? Why
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: are you failing men? Why can't you handle this?
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: Why can't you provide for women? And then and then
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: just not make them feel like they're being provided for?
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: God damn?
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: And this is when what happens when feminism does not
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: It tells men what they should be doing, but it
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: does not tell women what they should be doing, or
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: it doesn't.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: It basically inculcates in women a horrible feeling of being
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: provided for. And yet women feel like if they aren't
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: being provided for, if the man isn't bringing something to
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: the table, they're being a taken advantage of. It is
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: an endless cycle of fuck yes, And for some reason,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: I think we're the only people who can see it.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: The people well manisphere adjacent human beings like us. It's like,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: how are you? How are men? What role can men occupy?
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: If men don't provide for women, they are not demonstrating
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: that the woman is the table, right. But if they
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: do apply for women, they're making women feel provided for
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: and not independent, which is also bad. So why can't
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: men do both? Surely it's simple?
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: Yep, good agree?
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: Why do men feel like they can't win?
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: Brian?
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: Why do men feel like they can't win?
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, because they're not trying to feel it.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. Good question.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: And it's funny because feminists have given women this insecurity
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: about being provided for. They have made them think that
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: they are being taken advantage of by men when they
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: provided for. But at the same time is if men
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: don't provide for them, then they are also being taken
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: advantage of by men. It's like, and this whole article
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: of course refuses to acknowledge this, that we have built
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: a trillion dollar industry just induces neurosis in women.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: And you can't question it because if you question it,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: you're a misogynist. You're like, well, maybe maybe women shouldn't
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: listen to corporations for their ideas about their lives. Maybe
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: corporations don't. I you're a misogynist. You just hate women.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: You can't question the corporations. They have their best interest
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: in mind. But also I'm a socialist who hates rich people, right, okay.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so yeah that was the article. Basically,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: it's yeah, no solutions or anything like that. So do
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: you want to look at in cell emojis?
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: And then in cell emojis, I'll try to make it
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: so that shaky cam isn't quite so shaky?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right? Sharing that? No this I can't read that?
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  Speaker 1: Cunny do drukpa? I guess? Share this scene at a
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: school in the UK? So speaking of UK, let me
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: open this in a new tab. Maybe can zoom in?
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  Speaker 1: Really nice and tight? There we have in cell emojis.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: Do you know what it means? This is on like
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: a board in a school, like a in cel emojis. Let's go,
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: all right, what do we got here? Mocking women, coffees
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: and coffee? You guys can you guys can play along
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: in the chat if you have access to emojis on
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: the live stream Mocking women, coffee, beans or coffee zip loll.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: How did how did the coffee meme become mocking women?
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: I love that. I think it's it's a meme from
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: is it kermit? No? No, no, that was tea, But that
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: was a different that was like the none of my
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: business thing. I saw a video it's like Team Fortress,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: two guys and they're like SIPI coffee. But I don't
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: know if they're the originators of it. So drop your
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: hottest in sell emojis. Yes, this is these, this is like,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: this is the important stuff that we got to be
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: dealing with in school. Guys. Forget the reading, forget the
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: reading level plummeting and like you know, kids like operating
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: at a math level that's like four grades lower than
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: it should be, and we're just letting people get college
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: degrees that don't know how to read or write. That's
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: not important. We have to know what the in cell
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: emojis are so that we know when what to look
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: out for. So all right, but.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: The beans, they're coffee beans and a coffee Yeah.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: I think that you can use either one. You can
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: either use coffee beans or the coffee cup.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: So did you guys know that the coffee emoji is
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: now dread misogyny.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm sure that we did. I did. I
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: see it all the time. Look at Mangoka dropped a
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: bunch of coffee cups.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: That my life will be I'm sure my life will
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: be enriched by being triggered by coffee beans enrichment as
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: a woman. I'm feeling the enrichment just radiate into my soul.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: Next, horrible.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: Radicalized in cell looks like an explosion and a red
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: and yellow pill and a red firecracker. I don't know
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: what that. I've never heard of that one before, but
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: I don't travel in those circles. But yeah, I mean
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: what does that mean? Oh, like like he's gonna blow
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: something up? Yeah? Yeah, I feel like that one doesn't
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: get used a lot because there isn't that much it's radicalizing.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: It's rare, remember that.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a rare pepe. Yeah, it's a rare,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: a rare meme. I'm guessing I don't even know, like who, look,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: who did the research on this? Who did the research
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: on this? So all right, if you ever a one hundred,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: this is kind of a large umbrella. If you've ever
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: used the one hundred mean you are actually saying the
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: eighty twenty rule. Did you know that eighty that the
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: top twenty percent of men get eighty percent of the women?
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: Just any time you've ever used the one hundred, and
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: I've used it, I didn't know I was actually signaling,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: signaling to the in cell brosh Sorry guys, it was
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: I was just I was agreeing with something and I
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: put one hundred percent after you do you put a
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: you know, one hundred?
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: What did they?
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, oh, I see when we use the one hundred,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: we're signaling that eighty percent of women want twenty percent
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: of men.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, well, even one hundred means.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: Sort of statistically, that's that's actually pretty accurate. And they
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: would say that they have a right to want eight
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: twenty percent of women or twenty percent of.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: Men, Like, well, yeah, that number might even be higher now, yeah,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: it might even I think it is actually like a
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: lot of women are are with the same guy.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do matter if you are qualified by saying, oh,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: we all want I don't know a highly emotionally or
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: spiritually uplifted man. Well that's still a tiny minority, and
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: I highly doubt that you are equally spiritually uplifted. I
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: don't think you ladies are out there levitating. Okay, all right.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: So one hundred is actually an in cel meme that
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: this is an in cel emoji. This is gonna be
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of in cells out there. If you've
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: ever used it, you're an in cell basically, if you've
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: ever hit one hundred. All right, Next, an eagle emoji
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: is far right nationalism. What does that have to do
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: with in cells? What? And also this is in the UK.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: You guys don't have eagles there, you don't have freedom.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: Why do you have a far right nationalist symbol? I
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: feel like that's a stretch. Nothing to do with in cells,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with Britain or the UK. It's just
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: an eagle. Like just I guess eagles are just triggering.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna start using them. I'm gonna put an eagle
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: emoji in the live chat right now. I didn't know
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: it was it was in there, so eagle, Yeah, there
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: it is. There's a bunch of them, all right, send
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: them through because they'll bounce around in the chat too.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: What happens when we signal the in cells?
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: When when you signal them, they they come, they come
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: running I think yes, then what happens I don't know.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: They probably asked, if you want to play some video games.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll find out what happens when we get a
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 4: critical massive insults.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: Let's let's do the next one.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. The next one is I don't know what
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: that is. It's impression homeless Is it a black hole?
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: Is it a whole depression hopelessness? Mmmm mmmm well, I
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: mean is I uh, I don't think we should be
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: making light of that. I mean, if that's what it means.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think you should either. I'm just I'm curious.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: What happens. Do you call, like you're in the UK,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: if your son shows you a meme that indicates he's depressed,
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: you call the police, send him to jail or something.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: This man's this boy's an insult. He has depression.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, get him, get him. He's one of them. Uh yeah,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: I mean depression makes you an insult. Yeah, maybe you're
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: just depressed.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and now we see the next one.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: All right. The next one is the next one is
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: alt right meme symbol and it's a frog topkck. He's back, guys,
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: it's Pepe. He never left us. He never left us,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: he just laid low for a while. Alt right means simple.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: So we have far right nationalism, which is an eagle,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: and then we have the pepe or a frog. Good lord, guys,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: this is like it's threading over nothing.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: Really yep, well, I mean the depression one. You could
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: be fretting over the mental health problems of your son.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: But I'm guessing in the UK, they're just gonna get
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: him arrested. My son seems to be listless and doesn't
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: want anything to do with anything at rest him. He's
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: an insult. I can't do a British accent.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: I can't either. I thought about it and I changed
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: my mind.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even Okay, next one, all right?
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: So next one is a tornado and it says chaos
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: overwhelm mental illness, of mental distress, actually mental distress. So again,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: if I guess if you are worried about your mental
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: health or you're going through a hard time and you
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: post a tornado as an emoji, I guess you're an
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: insul now. And also, like again, this stuff with depression
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: and hopelessness and mental distress, it sounds like something that
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: is a cry for help, and maybe you should be like,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know, supporting those people as opposed to trying
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: to figure out a way to single them out by
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: like the way that they post on their phones or
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: text to their friends or in discord or whatever it is.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: Ryan, when adults see these symbols, they should immediately call
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: the police on their children. And then if the kid
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: at the school sees these symbols, they should immediately start
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: bullying them, because that's how we're going to improve boys
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: mental health.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: Right, Yes, we should be bullying them harder. Yes, yeah,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: makes sense, makes sense, all right. Next emoji is it's three.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: I guess it's like a finger pointing and then a
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: like a sad face or like a face and then
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: another finger pointing and it says simps begging women. So yeah, simps.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: I mean again acknowledging these distance of simps not unique
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: to in cells actually, And it's you know, it's funny,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: like I think that if you are trying to like
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: prevent a guy from simping, you're doing him a favor,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: you know, like you're preventing him from putting himself in
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: a vulnerable position over someone who might hurt his feelings
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: or hurt him in some way. And you're trying to
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: protect him. And yeah, I mean maybe it comes across
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: as like, you know, harsh or whatever, but I think
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: that it's necessary and it does come from a good place.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: But it's like these people want simps to exist, so
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: they they basically just protect simps by calling out people
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: who call them out for simping. Do you know what
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: I'm saying?
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I got you.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know. So yeah, here's the one that you
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: may not have known. Simps simps begging women point. I
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: don't know what that face is described.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: It's another way of saying a simp a sex past
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: isn't aren't men supposed to? No? But seriah hear me out. Okay, okay.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: You remember that Budweiser commercial where the guy was going
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: to hit on the woman in the street and the other.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: Guy was the gellet commercial and he's like, not cool,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: not cool, jellette.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this emoji, they're just saying, don't don't, don't interfere
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: with her girl bossing heel Yeah, that's.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: Another way, like if you think of a in that framework, Yeah,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: I mean I think ultimately the simps can be bad
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: for a couple of reasons. One they they make themselves.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: They put themselves in some kind of danger because maybe
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: they overinvest in someone who doesn't have an interest in
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: investing in them but doesn't have a problem exploiting them.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: But also they have They also run the risk of
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: inflating that girl's ego to the point where she becomes
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: sufferable because she thinks that she's worth more than she
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: actually is. He gives them like an artificial sense of
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: her own sexual market value because there's all these like
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: dudes that are simping for her. And this is the
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: thing with with girls online, like they'll they'll share, you know, selfies.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: Let's say you're a young girl. You're like a teenager
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: and you're you know, you're hitting puberty. You feel good,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: but you feel like you're cute. You post pictures online
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: and you get like thousands of dudes in your comments. Thousands, right,
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: they're all like, oh my god, you're so beautiful. And
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: they're from all over the world too. You don't know
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: where you're getting them from. It could be dudes from
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: like the Middle East or India or whatever. And then
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: like you love this, like you eat it up. You think,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: oh this means I'm hot or whatever. And then you
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: post more pictures, you get more reactions, You take a
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: little bit further, maybe you show some more skin, whatever,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: wear tighter clothes, you start wearing outfits specifically for the
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: for posting online. And then after a while, when you
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: used to get like ten thousand likes, you get like
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: one thousand likes. And it's still a lot by normal standards,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: but that girl feels like something is wrong, like they're
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: losing something. And then so like the high that they
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: got initially is disappearing and they start getting fewer, like
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: and it's not even like they're hitting the wall or
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: anything like that. It's just that, you know, maybe people
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: have moved on to something else or whatever, or you know,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: or she's putting a little bit less effort in or
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, doesn't matter. And I think that it
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: the simping early on sort of puts them in a
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: state where they expect, you know, that the amount of
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: attention they were getting as the normal. So the problem
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: with this is that there it's harder for them to
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: build a real relationship with real people because they were
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: so like like say, experiencing this like overblown parasocial relationship
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: with online strangers. So I think that that's another aspect
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: of like the way simping hurts girls as well, you know, yeah, so,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: and then they'll go on to hurt other men, like
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of the women who hate men the most
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: online are women who stop getting as much attention from
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: them when they were younger online, so they start to
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: resent men for abandoning them or whatever.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: Hmm, okay, let's do the next.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: One, all right, next one. Sorry, No, it's okay. Sorry, pills,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: We have the pills. So the red pill misogynistic truth.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: So the person who made this is obviously like looking
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: at this from their perspective, so describing the red pill
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: as misogynistic, and they put truth in quotations, so the
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: blue pill blind to dating truth. I'm sorry. So we're
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: gonna say something misogynistic truthistic truth?
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: What do they mean by that that women are actually
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: also to blame for stuff like it's not always just men,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: you know, or things like, oh, women are capable of
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: sexual violence? Is that another misogynist truth? And in fact,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: the studies that we're seeing coming out now suggest that
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: women are doing their fair share of raping out there, right?
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: Is that a misogynistic truth? So what misogynistic truth is truth.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, misogynistic truth is just truth exactly. Blue pill
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: blind to dating truth, Black pill, unattractive men are doomed.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: Pink pill unattractive women. I never heard of that one.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: So it's like a pill with a heart next to it,
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: a pink heart. So I've never heard of that one.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: Unattractive women.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: Mhmm.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then there's a bunch of emojis for drugs. Again,
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think this is an in cel thing. I
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: think this is a drug addict thing. I think I
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: think people are posting this stuff like they're probably just
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: stoners or something.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a little confusing there, Yeah, yeah, I don't.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know why the drugs are even there qualifying
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess ketamine is like a horse, a
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: couple of horse ones, and there's like a pill for that.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: And there's cocaine, which is like a snowflake.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: Coconut crossover with the stoners.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, some reason stoners are also.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah weird, go ahead, who compiled this?
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And like this is in a school, like, man,
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: this is this is crazy in a school. I want
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: to see what what what? Oh? And there's also in
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: cel slang apparently. I guess we can look at that
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: really quick too. Being words that you've coined is strange
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: Becky created those posters. I'm just gonna have to chat
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: the comments under the Yeah, I don't I don't know,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: like drugs. I don't see how that's an insult thing.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: And so that's just like for for drug dealers, this
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: is like drug dealing language. It's not you know what
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, Like you can send it to your dealer,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: like I want to get high, send him an alien
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: and an eight ball and he'll bring you some cocaine,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: I guess, or one of these drug deal things like
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: a cookie, like a dollar bag.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: What before the court is why are there now drug
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: emojis on our list of in cell? This generalized parent
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: parental anxiety over the behavior of children that they don't
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: spend any time with.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, a product of single moms and broken families
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: where the children or or even families where both parents
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: are working and they don't have time for their for
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: their kids and they give them a phone and they
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: let them go to school, and like I mean, there's
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: no oversight, there's no authority, so like things like this
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: going to happen. I don't know. I mean it's bad,
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: but anyway, thanks. One hearts, well do you want me
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: to do with all the drugs or because I don't
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: think I can add much to that, so hearts. A
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: normal heart is love, an orange heart is you're going
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: to be fine, So it's like coping again. I don't
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: know what these have to do with incells. I don't
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: think the hearts are relevant to that. A purple one
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: is horny. This should be a baseball bat bonk. A
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: pink one, I guess I'm interested, but not in sex.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: A blue one something is cute or friendship. A green
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: one jealousy or envy. A yellow one I'm interested, are you?
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: A white one cold love, emptiness or fake purity? A
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: black one alternative for red in love, and a gray
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: one numbness, no love. Uh okay, I don't know what
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: these like. I don't think most of these are not
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: cell emojis though, mm hmm. It's weird.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was weird. It just seems like generic parental
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: anxiety emojis.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: It's it's teacher like maybe a teacher and a student
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: made this together and neither of them really know what
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: this is. Like a student, you know, there's actually a
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: few things here. So here's another. So yeah, it's all over.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: Now here's here's a whole sheet of inceel slang. Do
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: you know what it means? Again? I bet a lot
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: of this stuff isn't even uh specific to incels. It's
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: probably just zoomer talk, you know, or or alpha talk
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: whatever whatever the current gen is.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Halo effect bias, where attractive people are seen as
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: better or more innocent. That's true. It's unfortunate, but it is.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: We tend to be more charitable to better looking people.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: Becky average looking women with lower status than a Stacy
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: states the attractive, high status woman who dates Chad's often
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: resented by in cells Chad attractive dominant man idealize for
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: looks cat fishing, pretending to be someone else online Alpha
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: a confident dominant man seene as a leader socially or
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: with women. A walt All women are like that. Hey,
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: remember when we used to talk about in a walt
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: like a long time ago. The ship's gone mainstream.
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  Speaker 2: Hmmm, I like that.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pink pill believe some women are hopelessly unattractive and unlovable. Wow,
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: is that like men saying this stuff or.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: And also if it's if women are saying that they're
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: hopelessly unattractive and unlovable, does that make them in cells
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: potent and you know, like terrorist adjacent.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: M Yeah, interesting thought. Indeed, yeah, yeah, halo effect is
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: a psychological term. Somebody in the chat asked if it was,
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: but no, it's in cel slang. Now that means that
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: the psychologists they have to stop using it because they're
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: just participating in manosphere drivel and they hate women. By
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: the way. Indeed, bone smash theory hitting the face to
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: reshape bones for looks. I hope you guys.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: Aren't doing that plastic surgery.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: No, it says hitting the face to reshape bones for looks.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: So actually smashing your face to reshape it.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: That sounds like a TikTok challenge. It's terrifying, okays.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: Oh good wage cock man who works in a society
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: scene as anti male, so basically men who work.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, you can say a lot of things about
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: this society, but you can't deny that it's anti mail.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: I like, honestly, yeah, people in this society think that
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: men oppress women. That's anti mal you and he got
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: no alibi for it, all right, let's.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: Uh land whale in cell term for an overweight woman. No,
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: land whale has been around for a long time. It
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: was just what we call fat people, not even women specifically,
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: just fat people. We call them land whales. What are
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: you talking about. They're trying to reappropriate this and give
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: this to in cells. They didn't make that up, guys.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: The wall point age twenty five when a woman's value
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: starts to decline per in cells. No, No, it's real.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: It may not be at age twenty five. But I'm
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: a little I'm a little uh, I'm chuckling a little
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: bit at this wall thing because I don't know. I
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: just think it is kind of funny that it's out there.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: So it is undefeated. There's no winning, okay game pua
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: tactic to manipulate women into sex man lets a short
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: or small framed man, short king, I like short king.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: Rage fuel acts events or information that make in cells angry.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: I don't see how that's in cell.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: Stuff that's in cells.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: No, that's anybody. It looks like they're trying to like
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: control internet slang and then just say it's all in
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: cell slang.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was the big scary word.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: Now, yeah, yeah, in cell's the big scary boogeyman word.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: That and Andrew Tate, which apparently they're the same thing,
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: even though they're literally opposites. So Omega socially lowest ranking man,
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: no chance with women? Was it? Beta didn't make the list?
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: Why didn't Beta make the list? Beta NPC conformist thinker
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: blindly follows mainstream beliefs. Okay, oh yeah, sure, again that's
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: Internet stuff, though that's not in cell stuff. Theem cells
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: female inceel often rejected by the in cell community. Also
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: like a unicorn and Manisphere online community for men with
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: anti feminist and misogynistic views. Notice they have to put
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: that in there. They have to say anti feminist, and
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: then they're like, wait a minute, maybe that's not saying enough,
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: Like obviously, if you're anti feminists, you hate women. But
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: let's drive it home by also saying misogynistic. Yeah, that's
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: what we'll do, because that's what the manisphere is. Yeah. Sure, Oh.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: Is feminism a scientific observation about reality, in which case
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: you should be questioning it or is it an absolutist
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: belief that cannot be questioned? And if you do, you're
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: an unbeliever and thrown out of society because it can't
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: be both, guys, it can't be both. No, all right,
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: A clown cell.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: Oh god, there's different in cell types. There's clown cells,
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: joker cell, irony, fake cells, pretends to be in cell. Yeah,
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: because that's the one I want to fit in with
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: the in cell cry So I'm going to be a
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: fake cell. That's what I want, That's what I aspired
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: to be them cell claimed female in cell, any cell
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: in cel due to acne. So there's like specific sub
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: incel groups. Old cell in cell due to age, wizard
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: cell virgin past age thirty, wizard cell pondering the orb
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: bald cell in cel due to baldness, gym cell exercises
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: to cope. Height cell in cell from height meant to
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: sell in cell. Mentally ill, true cell zero opposite sex contact,
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: poor cell in cell due to poor finance. But like
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: all of these things, a lot of them, they sound
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: like legitimate obstacles that women are like less they're going
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: to consider it a deal breaker. We all height, you know,
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: mental illness, being poor, you know, being too old, being
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: having bad acne. There's plenty of women that would like
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: say that that's.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: You know, a deal breaker.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a deal breaker for them.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Well, certainly we can't accept that women have
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: any standards at all, no relationships. We can't even listen
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: to women when they say that they do. Yes, it's
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: all in cell talk, you see. Guys, you've invented a
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: world in which the average woman considers the average men
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: beneath her. You've invented this, and because you've invented it,
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: you've live in it. But we don't actually live in
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: that world. We don't. It's just an invention of men.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: You're not actually observing the truth. Guys. You're not actually
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: observing that women's standards are higher than the average man,
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: so the average woman considers herself far above the average man.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: That's not the case. You just decided to pretend that
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: women had standards like this, and thus you constructed the
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: world in which they had those standards. But they don't
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: have those standards. You are just preemptively selecting yourself against
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: approaching women who don't have the standards that you think
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: they have that you've ascribed to them. It doesn't make
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: any fucking sense. But why would men choose a world
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: in which the average woman finds them unattractive? Why would
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: men have chose this? Just explain that to me. And
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: because men have chosen this, apparently that's made it so okay,
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: But I think it's just another it's another reducing our
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: desire to blame men for everything down to its most
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: absurd quantity. Quantity okay, mm hmmm, all right, this has been.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this has been nice. I'm sorry that you had
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: to like walk all the way home, but I mean
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: got to some of your computer. I guess, are you
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: on like another laptop right now, or.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm on another laptop with the shaky cam.
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: Look see, I see it's not very.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: Well, but yeah, I am on a different laptop. I
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: had to walk home in the snow and the cold,
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: and I don't know what my computer is doing. It's uh,
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: it just looks like it might be bricked. I uninstalled
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: Elgado cam because it was useless and apparently it was
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: claiming some extensions and I was like, yeah, just get
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: rid of it, and then then my computer bricked. I
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: don't know, I don't I don't know what's going on.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Brian, It's.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: Sorry it happens. The special Chat's going crazy, right now yeah,
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: really just unhinged, unhinged comments saying that we should like
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 1: enter the room together. We're like literally on different parts
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: of the world.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in Virginia and I'm in the middle of Canada.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's not happening.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, it's not gonna happen. We do occasionally
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: walk into the same room, like once a year, and
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: then we do a show from a place in Calgary,
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: which I'll try. We'll be trying to do it next
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: year again. So there you go. You got to stick
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: around for our once yearly appearance in public and then
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: uh oh, yeah, he's just being obnoxious.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: Are you looking. Yeah, we're not married to each other.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: Where we have our respective partners spouses. Yeah, I got
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: work together. We're not married to each other.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like what what the heck?
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: I think my husband's assumed too much. You see a
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: man and a woman in the same space and you're like, oh,
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: they must be together. That's a huge problem. That's not
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: an US problem.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: I think my husband is in the other room taking
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 2: a nap.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: Possibly Lindsay's in the other room with Jojo. I think
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: she's eating.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's my dogo having a snooze.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: You see him, Yeah, I see him.
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just having a snooze and uh yeah, this is
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: I actually had to go home to continue this freaking
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: uh what is this interminable podcast? Yeah, it's is yep.
• 2:08:17
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• 2:08:20
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