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Getting High with Ridiculous Crime: Reindeer Trips and Soothing Syrup · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to
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  Speaker 1: the show, fellow ridiculous historians. Thank you, as always, so
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  Speaker 1: much for tuning in. Let's hear it for our super producer,
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  Speaker 1: Max Winslow Williams.
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  Speaker 2: Max Reindeer Velvet. Max the Velvet Reindeer Williams.
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  Speaker 3: How about that?
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  Speaker 1: That's Noel Brown. They call me Ben Bullen for tax purposes.
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  Speaker 1: And we, Noel, Max, we are in Chapter 2 of a, well,
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  Speaker 1: Chapter 3, technically, of a continuing exploration of on weird
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  Speaker 1: stuff people used to get high off of. And we
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  Speaker 1: have really classed it up, you guys, because we are
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  Speaker 1: joined with our returning special guest. I can't believe we
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  Speaker 1: got into the schedule and his writer is crazy. It's
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  Speaker 1: Zarin Burnett.
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  Speaker 4: Yo, what up, gentlemen? I remember I said all brown
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  Speaker 4: M & Ms, so make sure I want that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're counting them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: We are meticulous about our guests' riders.
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  Speaker 4: I appreciate that. I really do. It's respect. I can
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  Speaker 4: feel it, you know?
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  Speaker 3: 100%. Thanks, guys, for having me. Of course.
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  Speaker 4: Always a fun time with y'all.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, dude, the best.
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  Speaker 2: What do you say we just jump right into our
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  Speaker 2: conversation already in progress?
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  Speaker 1: We got to get to another drug of yesteryear. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to be less anthrocentric here. Guys, we got to
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  Speaker 1: get to reindeer.
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  Speaker 4: Reindeer?
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  Speaker 1: Are you a fan?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, are you a fan? Like antlers? Are we scraping
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  Speaker 3: little bits off the antlers and snorting them? You know
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  Speaker 3: I love reindeers.
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  Speaker 4: Is this why Rudolph has a red nose?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Alcoholism.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, geez. Yeah, Rudolph had his inner demons. We're pretty sure. So, reindeers,
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  Speaker 1: in addition to having one troubling superhero, they are also
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  Speaker 1: super into getting high. They love mushrooms.
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  Speaker 3: Mushrooms.
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  Speaker 4: They love them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they love the fly agaric mushroom, Amanita muscaria, if
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  Speaker 1: it has a tie on and has to meet the parents.
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  Speaker 1: It's so weird, you guys, because reindeer or caribou, if
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  Speaker 1: you want, they are herbivorous, but it doesn't mean they're
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  Speaker 1: automatically not fun. And I say that as a former vegan.
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  Speaker 1: It's weird because, guys, we're talking about a species of
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  Speaker 1: animal that lives in an unforgiving climate, right? Threats are
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  Speaker 1: super large. Resources are sparse. These guys have for thousands
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  Speaker 1: and thousands of years actively sought out specifically the fly
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  Speaker 1: agaric mushroom.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I mentioned the stoned ape theory at the top
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  Speaker 2: of the show, and this is this concept that primates
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  Speaker 2: who consumed psychotropic mushrooms— were able to hunt better. It
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  Speaker 2: increased their visual acuity and their ability to kind of like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, hone in on their prey. If anyone's ever
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  Speaker 2: experienced anything, even a mild, you know, cannabis high, it
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  Speaker 2: does kind of sharpen your senses a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: So that theory is fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: So are these reindeer been consuming these things because they
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  Speaker 2: just like getting lit or is it helping them out
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  Speaker 2: in some aspect of their existence?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like stress reduction. You're like, I got a
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  Speaker 4: lot of grizzly bears. I'm going to need to like
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  Speaker 4: take a little edge off. Right.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a hard day on the tundra, you know.
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  Speaker 2: There's this fat, red-suited man that keeps coming around trying
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  Speaker 2: to recruit me.
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  Speaker 1: What is with that guy? It is interesting because it's
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  Speaker 1: not especially filling as a foodstuff. It doesn't contain some
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  Speaker 1: rare nutrients, right? It doesn't produce some sort of miracle
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  Speaker 1: smell that'll dissuade your predators. But it does, to your point, Zarin.
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  Speaker 1: Hey kids, those reindeer super waxed. Yeah, it absolutely rocks
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  Speaker 1: them so much so that they don't just regularly seek
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  Speaker 1: it out. They teach their young how to find it,
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  Speaker 1: to dig through snow. And as we all know, teaching
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  Speaker 1: other generations, huge mark of intelligence, right? They kind of
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  Speaker 1: like pigs and truffles. They will, just go across.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Go across vast swaths of land. And basically once they
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  Speaker 1: ingest them, these fungi, the reindeer are as wild as
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  Speaker 1: a tourist. If their first day in new Orleans is
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  Speaker 1: Mardi Gras.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, hell yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Hand grenades, baby hurricanes and hand grenades. Ben, this was
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  Speaker 2: ringing a bell for me. And I mentioned when you
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  Speaker 2: brought this up, like, what do you scrape the antlers
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  Speaker 2: or whatever? And that's because I've been on a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a, nerdy fitness kick lately and so like the
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  Speaker 2: internet keeps feeding me ads for all these like supplements
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  Speaker 2: and things and reindeer organ meat and ground up reindeer
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  Speaker 2: guts and hearts and liver as well as antler velvet
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  Speaker 2: are a very in vogue.
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  Speaker 1: Antler velvet yeah like the little in vogue supplement right now.
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  Speaker 4: I see people go out there and try to collect it.
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  Speaker 4: I always assumed it was for some reason, because I
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  Speaker 4: know people actually go out and collect the racks of antlers.
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  Speaker 4: But now I see people big on going out to
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  Speaker 4: collect the velvet. And this now makes perfect sense. It's
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  Speaker 4: for supplements. I bet they're getting a pretty penny.
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  Speaker 3: Apparently super vitamin rich in A and B12. So it's
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  Speaker 3: good for immunity.
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  Speaker 2: Claims, of course, guys, we know that supplements can be
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  Speaker 2: pretty sus in terms of like what the claims are
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  Speaker 2: versus what.
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  Speaker 3: They actually do.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember when the FDA was a thing?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like they disbanded it.
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  Speaker 2: Claims of energy and vitality and even increasing testosterone.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and things like that. So you'll see these ads.
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  Speaker 2: They'll be called like carnivore bars. Bills or some crazy
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  Speaker 2: thing like that. The FDA, what's left of it, does
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  Speaker 2: lack any robust evaluation of these things in terms of
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  Speaker 2: like what they actually might do. Another claim is that
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  Speaker 2: they can cause increased joint health. Um, something that's referred
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  Speaker 2: to in the claims as general vitality, which seems.
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  Speaker 3: Real vague and, uh, reduced inflammation, but yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Hey, it's not Lieutenant vitality. It's general vitality.
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  Speaker 5: It also seems like vitality and reduced inflation should not
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  Speaker 5: be in the same conversation with each other.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good point.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, Jared, at this point we have to, we
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  Speaker 1: have to pause real quick, uh, not to put you
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  Speaker 1: on the spot, but, uh, Are you morally opposed to
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  Speaker 1: hallucinogenic substances?
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  Speaker 4: No, not at all. In fact, I've been, we'll call
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  Speaker 4: it a traveler in those spaces many, many times. I
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  Speaker 4: don't really mess around with mushrooms anymore because it just
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  Speaker 4: kept making my stomach sicker and sicker as I was
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  Speaker 4: doing them to the point that like the first two
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  Speaker 4: hours would just be brutal. And then I'd have like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, a number of hours where it was very enjoyable.
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  Speaker 4: And then it got to three hours. Then it was
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  Speaker 4: like four. I was like, okay, now I'm getting like
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  Speaker 4: only a couple hours of actual enjoyment. So I would
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  Speaker 4: now at this point pretty much mess around with LSD
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  Speaker 4: more than mushrooms. I've never had an ayahuasca trip. I've
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  Speaker 4: always kind of been curious about that. DMT I've messed
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  Speaker 4: around with. I've basically tried, I'd say, most of the
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  Speaker 4: common hallucinogens. But at this point, I'm pretty much down
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  Speaker 4: to just LSD 25. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And a big thing that people are doing these days,
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  Speaker 2: which I recently tried for the first time, is microdosing
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  Speaker 2: on LSD where you can– like I always thought it
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  Speaker 2: was sort of an all-or-nothing thing. But it turns out
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  Speaker 2: that it is pretty popular to just take a.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like a tiny little snippet.
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  Speaker 4: A little dot basically, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: A little– exactly. And there are, as we know– very
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  Speaker 2: reasonably well-studied, it would seem, mental health benefits from supervised
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  Speaker 2: use of hallucinogens.
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  Speaker 4: Cary Grant was a huge fan of LSD and talked
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  Speaker 4: prolifically about it, even in Good Housekeeping magazine in the 1950s.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about that. That's right.
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  Speaker 2: We genuinely– I didn't know that until we– I believe
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  Speaker 2: it was on an episode a handful of years ago.
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  Speaker 2: But the Cary Grant good housekeeping interview about the benefits
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  Speaker 2: of tripping is a thing to behold.
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  Speaker 4: Cary Grant. In the 1950s. He was way before the
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  Speaker 4: hippies too. People were like, oh.
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  Speaker 3: He was a real booster. He was a real– Huge fan.
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  Speaker 1: He's probably also a fan of reindeer.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's, that's a good point too, Zarin, because,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you're talking about these reindeers, like, why would
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  Speaker 2: they eat this?
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  Speaker 3: Like, it's not particularly helpful. It doesn't particularly fill them up.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe it isn't just about getting high. And it
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  Speaker 2: did impart some kind of, whether it be visual or
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  Speaker 2: auditory acuity or just some, Something that caused them some
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  Speaker 2: level of relief or calm against them grizzly bears you
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  Speaker 2: were talking about.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, totally. Maybe you make some better parents. You know,
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  Speaker 4: they're like, I'm going to pay more attention to my kids.
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  Speaker 4: They suddenly got more interesting. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, reindeer dad is way cooler now. And we also,
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  Speaker 1: we are mentioning this not just because of the caribou
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  Speaker 1: or the reindeer. It's because humans... have rocked Fly Agaric
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  Speaker 1: as well. They look like the mushrooms from the Mario franchise, right?
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  Speaker 1: You got a red cap, little white dots.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: A little big up. Uh, we know that indigenous cultures
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  Speaker 1: in Siberia have a deep historical usage of fly agaric
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  Speaker 1: in one way or another. And it's usually not going
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  Speaker 1: to be super recreational, like chewing betel.
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  Speaker 4: Nut or something. It's, it's, it's more ritualistic.
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  Speaker 1: Ritualistic.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 1: Just the perfect word. Uh, We found some interesting speculation,
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  Speaker 1: you guys, that delivering on our earlier references about Rudolph,
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  Speaker 1: the consumption of fly agaric in northern or Scandinavian parts
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  Speaker 1: of the world. It may be part of the reason
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  Speaker 1: why we have all these stories about some wild guy
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  Speaker 1: named Santa Claus. who hangs out with reindeer, who can
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  Speaker 1: inexplicably fly.
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  Speaker 4: Dude!
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  Speaker 2: It's like a lot of the poultices that supposed witches
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  Speaker 2: would make.
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  Speaker 3: They're flying ointments.
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  Speaker 2: They're really just psychedelic substances that would cause them to
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  Speaker 2: think they were flying.
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  Speaker 4: It would get you off and you're like, okay, all
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  Speaker 4: of a sudden I'm up in the clouds. You're like,
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  Speaker 4: not really. You're still weird with it. No, man, I'm
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  Speaker 4: up in the clouds.
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  Speaker 1: I'm up in the clouds. Who wants a gift? And
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  Speaker 1: that saves the night, right?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So we know that these substances, the active substances in
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  Speaker 1: fly agaric are stuff like ibotenic acid, musimol, which to
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  Speaker 1: me sounds like a made-up pharmaceutical brand, musimol. Feels like
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  Speaker 1: it's got a lot of fine print at the end
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  Speaker 1: of a commercial.
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  Speaker 2: I was in a hotel for the first time in
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  Speaker 2: a while, a couple of days ago, and I just
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  Speaker 2: had the TV on mute. And, you know, you only
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  Speaker 2: see them on TV, these pharmaceutical advertisements with like the idyllic,
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  Speaker 2: you know, frolicking families or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: Just jump in vaguely.
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  Speaker 2: The names of them, man. This one was like Baltimorea
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  Speaker 2: or something. I mean, it was just, they're just absolutely
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  Speaker 2: made up.
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  Speaker 3: Of course.
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  Speaker 1: It's like choosing a car name, you know. we also
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  Speaker 1: have a future episode. You got to hang out with
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  Speaker 1: us on Zarin where we figure out a very small
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  Speaker 1: group of people who make pharmaceutical names in the West.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: It's got to be some sort of a committee, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they got to, if they focus group, it's right.
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  Speaker 3: It has to be very similar to any other kind
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  Speaker 3: of branding, right?
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  Speaker 1: It's so small. I'm sure it's like three etymology nerds
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  Speaker 1: going proteo via. Right. You know, that sounds like several words.
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  Speaker 4: Vi-an-stra.
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  Speaker 1: Vi-an-stra, you know, because it's via the anstra.
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  Speaker 4: Hulu.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, that's different.
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  Speaker 1: No, I was close. I thought you were good. We
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  Speaker 1: know you should not consume fly agaric, right? because it
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  Speaker 1: can lead to nausea, vomiting, muscle twitches at the far end.
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  Speaker 1: It can give your reindeer seizures or comas.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want my reindeers dropping with the comas, no. No.
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  Speaker 1: You've always said that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one of my stances.
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  Speaker 3: But, you know, these reindeers, they're experienced. They know what
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  Speaker 3: they're doing. They know what they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: Zara Burnett says, Hummus, okay on a cheese sandwich. Also,
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  Speaker 1: I want my reindeer.
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  Speaker 4: Coma free.
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  Speaker 3: Coma free.
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  Speaker 4: I still got the bumper stickers to move if you
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  Speaker 4: guys are interested.
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  Speaker 2: Always.
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  Speaker 4: Spread the word.
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  Speaker 1: Can we get a price break?
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  Speaker 2: I'm a guy that collects bumper stickers and never puts
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  Speaker 2: them on anything.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, nice.
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  Speaker 5: So what I'm hearing is it's Zarin's Coma-Free Reindeer Supplement.
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  Speaker 4: That's the brand. There we go.
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  Speaker 2: Slap that on the side of a wagon and let's
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  Speaker 2: go to town.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go through Winslow's Soothing Syrup.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we need this. Max, you got to introduce us
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  Speaker 1: to this next one, man. As Noel was teasing, this
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  Speaker 1: is a perfect medicine show comparison to Mrs. Winslow's Soothing Syrup.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was doing a little researching on this. And,
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  Speaker 5: you know, we have an episode about snake oil in
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  Speaker 5: the past, which is pretty funny because we're going from
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  Speaker 5: reindeer supplements to, which, you know, could be argued as
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  Speaker 5: modern day snake oil.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you got to oil your snakes, man. Nobody wants
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  Speaker 1: dry snakes.
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  Speaker 4: You don't want a squeaky snake.
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  Speaker 3: You don't want a squeaky snake. You'll hear it coming
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  Speaker 3: a mile. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 5: And Ben, if I remember correctly, what we found out
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  Speaker 5: in our snake oil episode was like, you know, in
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  Speaker 5: East Asia, they would harvest water snakes.
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  Speaker 4: For the fatty oils, correct? Correct. But.
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  Speaker 5: Then they try to do that with rattlesnakes in America
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  Speaker 5: who are quite slender and don't have fatty oils. But so, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think this era of just is we've
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  Speaker 5: spent a lot of time in ridiculous history talking about
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  Speaker 5: this oddly with like ice cream as well. This early
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  Speaker 5: pharmaceutical Coca-Cola rising up era. And that's where I want
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  Speaker 5: to introduce us to the idea of this thing called Mrs.
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  Speaker 5: Winslow's Soothing Syrup, which unlike snake oil, actually had things
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  Speaker 5: in it.
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  Speaker 3: Which is kind of the problem. Maybe a few too
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  Speaker 3: many things.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Like are you- Like Vitamita Vegemin. Remember that I Love
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  Speaker 2: Lucy episode? Where she just keeps drinking it and just
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  Speaker 2: getting absolutely plastered?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: One of my favorites.
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  Speaker 5: Shared agreements between those two things.
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  Speaker 1: Now, before we continue, I've got to say Zerod, I
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  Speaker 1: am so impressed and so unsurprised that you instantly knew
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  Speaker 1: the etymology of snake oil.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, definitely. I mean, like, it's one of those things, like,
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  Speaker 4: you hear it and, you know, I don't know at
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  Speaker 4: what age, I think it was 12 or 13, you
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  Speaker 4: get curious, like, where does this come from? Why do
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  Speaker 4: we eat snake oil? And then I looked it up
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  Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, that's fascinating. And then, you know,
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  Speaker 4: in more recent times, we've kind of referenced it on
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  Speaker 4: Ridiculous Crime a couple of times and then had to, like,
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  Speaker 4: break down the derivation of where this comes from and
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  Speaker 4: why it's called that and why it was bunk.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and to your point, Max, I mean, we really
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  Speaker 2: are living in kind of a new era of snake oil. 100%.
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  Speaker 2: With a lot of the way things are advertised and
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  Speaker 2: things can get around a lot of these FDA approval
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  Speaker 2: guidelines by just being, quote, unquote, not for human consumption.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And we also get the whole, like, medicine
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  Speaker 4: show level with the supplements, but we're just doing it
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  Speaker 4: on our phones now.
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  Speaker 3: On TV.
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  Speaker 2: Or, yeah, like it used to be on, like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: cable access kind of stuff or, like, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: these religious folks selling buckets of slop and bone broth.
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  Speaker 1: Also, the AI bubble is another bit of snake oil.
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  Speaker 3: No question about it.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just say it. So, folks, we're an audio podcast,
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  Speaker 1: so please know in your hearts that all four of
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  Speaker 1: us shrugged and unanimously agreed with that last statement.
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  Speaker 2: No question, no question. So what are we talking about?
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  Speaker 2: What was all the stuff that was in this soothing
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  Speaker 2: syrup that apparently was being fed to infants quite frequently?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, since 1849, right? We've got, you know how, we'll
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  Speaker 1: do a fake commercial. You know how it is. It's 1849,
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  Speaker 1: stuff is crazy. And your kids keep talking. We're dying.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: So how do we... How do we shut them up?
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: How do we shut up those children? Well, according to
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Karen Berger, writing over at Pharmacy Times, Charlotte N. Winslow,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: a pediatric nurse, created Mrs. Winslow's soothing syrup to... to
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: shut up children.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: So, you know, soothe fussy babies. Of course.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, sure. Yeah.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: If we're putting on our marketing hats.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Right. Right.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: Does your baby cry too much? Try soothing. Wow.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: We'd like to pivot to non-verbal children. So, apparently the
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: syrup is created in, Max, you can tell us more
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: about this, by her son-in-law.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so as you mentioned, Charlotte Ann Winslow created the formula,
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: and she was a nurse, but it was actually her son-in-law,
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: this guy by the name of Jeremiah Curtis, who started
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: production of the whole thing back in 1849, along with
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: a partner by the name of Benjamin Perkins. In this
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: place called Bangor, Maine?
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Bangor, Maine? Something like that?
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Bangor.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Bangor, Maine.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Bangor, Maine.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: That's for Stephen King. That's Stephen King country. And you
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: know what the ultimate sign of good snake oil is?
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: It's the thing that says.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: It'll do everything. It'll do like 10 different things. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Well, that's a great question, Noel, because now we have
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: to ask ourselves, what does this patent medicine do?
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Do?
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Does it do everything?
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: It claims it will calm small children, clean their teeth,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: freshen their breath, and also relieve constipation while you're at it. Yes.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Four benefits in one. Not one, not two, not three,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: but four.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Four. Well, that also feels more legitimate because it's not
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: saying it's a panacea, right? It's not saying.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: It'll cure everything.
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: That's true.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Not a cure-all, not an ultimate fountain of youth type thing.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: But it will take care of both ends of your baby.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: That's also true. Snout to tail.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: If your kid's too hairy, you got to find a
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: different syrup. But for these four problems, we've got it.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: And they're very successful because... all of their marketing shows
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: these very, uh, happy, giddy, non, uh, constipated, non-fussy babies.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Uh, the story of snake oil is also a story
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: of marketing because to your point, Ben, like all, a
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: lot of these things were, especially the ones that actually
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: had no active ingredients.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Um, they were just selling a story, which is marketing.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: They're basically selling like the, uh, the what do you
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: call it the oh my god it just ran out
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: of my head what's the the effect when you take
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: a drug and you thank you the placebo effect so
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: basically it's just they're selling the placebo effect like this
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: is going to work because you believe it's going to work.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: And guys placebo is hell of a drug is.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: It yeah absolutely the psychological effects of belief exactly incredibly
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: strong we've we've seen studies in that as well and
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: i we've.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Got to tell you folks here Now that we're being
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: very fair, hopefully, with the historical context, this is not
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: a placebo. This is a.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Banger, man.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. The soothing syrup is super active in a
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: problematic way. We're talking 65 milligrams of morphine.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Holy crap.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Or morphine. I don't know, guys.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: I'm not cool enough.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: That's how you say it in the South. That's how
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: we say it. Morphine. Morphine.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Okay. And then it also had booze in there.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Of course.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Alcohol for the children.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Well, you know what they say. A teaspoon, a spoonful
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: of morphine helps the medicine go down.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Yes. Yes.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Yep. Yep. I feel like we went to the same
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: day here.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: In the most delightful way.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: These babies were high as hell.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: So, so apparently- One teaspoon full of recommended dosage had
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: the morphine content equivalent to 20 drops of laudanum. Oh, wow.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: And they said, look, if your baby is six months
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: old or beyond, right, forget that they're not really forming
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: personalities yet. Just be cool and make sure that you
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: don't give them more than two to three drops of
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: laudanum or more. give them a teaspoonful of this.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, if anyone's seen Deadwood, laudanum is the drug
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: that a lot of the, or at least in the
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: first season, the kind of the wife of the dude,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: as they call him, who is coming from the big city.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: She's addicted to it.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Alma, right? Yeah, Alma, because she's prescribed it by
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: a doctor for her vapors or whatever.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got the pain spells. 100%.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: But guys, I know we're joking around about this, but
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: let's just be real. This is getting infants addicted to opiates.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Oh, yes.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: This is gnarly stuff.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: And you've looked into the passage of the so-called Wild
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: West in your previous work, Zarin. Did you run into– now,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: of course, I know black cowboys, but did you run
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: into in your research evidence of how casually or not
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: casually these kinds of substances were treated?
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: It was pretty casual. Largely, the expense was the issue.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: So to Noel's point, you would find more middle-class and
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: upper-class people who have strong laudanum and morphine habits. But
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: then by the time you get into the era of
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: The Chinese railroad workers and then San Francisco having a
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: large Chinatown community, then morphine and opium become very popular
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: once it is opium. And then you're now, you've basically
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: made like the crack version of cocaine so people can
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: go and they can smoke it and get off and
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: it's not medically controlled as much. And that's when it
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: really just spreads as opium. But as laudanum, it was
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: much more likely to be like, you know, the wife
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: of the sheriff who's sipping on it when he's not home.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: And then the opium is when you started seeing it
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: hit a little bit more mainstream.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Hitting the streets in the form of these kind of taverns.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, opium dens. Totally. Oh, geez.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: So we're saying the costs went down and economy of
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: scale kicked in?
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: And availability went way up. Yeah, for sure.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Oh, geez.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: We know that the soothing syrup by Mrs. Winslow was
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: not problematic in any freaking way. It was super popular
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: because a lot of people apparently wanted their kids to
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: shut up. Or, guys, I posit to you that more
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: than a few thousand people probably bought it to use themselves.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: When you buy a Happy Meal at McDonald's and they're like,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: you're 40.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Once you caught on, you know, someone actually took a
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: little sip of their kid's medicine, like, ooh, I kind
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: of like that.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: Wait a minute.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: This is Butterwell's heroin syrup.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Good for the baby, good for daddy.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Good for daddy.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: There we go. We know that in an 1868 court summary,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: There were reports that 1.5 million bottles of soothing syrup
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: had been sold.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Surely some babies were killed.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Per year.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Surely babies were killed. They had to. I mean, come on.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: This is like the levels you're talking about? The concentration? Yeah, man.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: And you know that if one drop doesn't work, you
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: can give them another drop. And then maybe, you know,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: there are some parents that weren't exactly adhering to a
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: label that already was not very specific.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, or they want to go out that night. They're like, well,
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: just double the dosage. Maybe make sure the baby doesn't
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: cry throughout the night. You know, it doesn't bother the neighbors.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: It's pretty dark, man.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Do we want a babysitter? Because we have this bottle.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: We got the syrup. This is super dark, by the way. Like, yes,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: we've nailed it because there are no official statistics on
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: the number of children that died due to exposure to
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: stuff like this. But we do know roughly, if we're guessing,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: that thousands of children died may have been overdosed with it.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Oh because it was all self-reporting right right it wouldn't
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: have been like an investigation it would have been what
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: they might have called a caught death or you know
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: oh yeah.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah that was actually when i was doing the research
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: on this part like some that was one of the
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: more morbid things was a lot of the deaths they
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: their estimates are like a lot of people just didn't
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: realize it was the syrup doing especially because it was
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: a pan medicine They didn't list what was in it.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: And also, a lot of babies and children were dying
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: at this time, so it wasn't unsurprising to lose a child.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: It was like, oh, well, we lost another one, Doc.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I hate how historically accurate that is. We also know
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: that there were definitely multiple cases of people who got addicted, right?
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: We know that there are definitely cases of withdrawal cases. Wherein, like,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: isn't that, remind me of this, Noel, not to call
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: you out, which drug is the one that can kill
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: you with withdrawal?
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: That is, well, there are numerous ones, but I mean, actually, weirdly, Xanax,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: what's the word I'm looking for?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Benzodiazepine withdrawal can be incredibly dangerous and doctors prescribe those for,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: you know, just mild anxiety. I do think they're a
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: little more cautious about it nowadays because it is known
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: that those withdrawals can be incredibly fatal.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: But that is, I think, what you're thinking of, Ben.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: Totally. Also with alcohol, you have to be careful about
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: how you step down. Going cold turkey can kill you
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: too with alcohol.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Especially if you're truly physically dependent.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I don't mean to make light, but it is kind
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: of ironic that this, you know, opiate medicated drinks are
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: kind of back in vogue in a way with uh
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: really yeah well it's good i mean it's they're they're
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: they're kind of in the culture you know and they're
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: like in in pop culture like talking about the syrup
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: or making taking codeine and mixing it with sprite and
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: all that.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I thought i i thought you meant not for babies
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: so much i thought you meant like uh G-O, instead
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: of Gatorade Zero, it's a Gatorade with opium? What could
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: go wrong?
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: No, but there is a subculture of folks that are
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: highly addicted to drinking opiates.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Starting with side tangentially associated ones like the Robitussin and
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: using medical, like using drugs that have either, not opium itself,
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: but things that are very similar in terms of how
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: the effect is, people now, like purple drink is essentially
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: very much the same thing.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Right, and I think we're all somewhat of the same
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: generation where we remember the stories you were referencing, Zarin,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: about robo-tripping.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, robo-tripping, exactly.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Which I always thought was a prank.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: It is real.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: There's some active ingredient in it that isn't just alcohol
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: that can make it.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: I can't remember that.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't remember it either. I was trying to
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: think of what it was.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: It's a specific thing. These drugs we've discussed do exist,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: and we got to a very dark place. But we
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: do want to end on a high note.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: This whole episode's been a high note.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: This whole episode has been a high note.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Zarin, you like animals, right, man?
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: I love animals. Big fan. Some people say I like
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: them more than people, but I don't think that's fair
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: because I consider people animals. Yeah.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right on. Right there with you. Where are we
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: at on big cats?
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Oh, man. I love big cats. Big, big fan of
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: big cats. Like, I have opinions about, like, what's your
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: favorite Tigers, Aaron? I'm like, oh, definitely. I'm going to
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: have to go with Siberians over Bengals. I like Bengals,
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: but Siberians.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, Siberians got it, though, because they can remember
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: and they hunt down.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Yes. The stories with the Russian hunters and stuff where
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: they wait out and he's like, oh, man, you took
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: my kill. Now you are my kill.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm a big fan of the Liger because they're
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: bred for their skills and magic.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: We're also we're asking you this for a reason. We
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: wanted to end on a high note. Zarin, Noel and
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I were very excited to learn. that the humble jaguar
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: loves ayahuasca.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Really? Yeah, this is true.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Out. They're like, this is the stuff, man. I'm about this. Okay.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They have found the vine, right? The one that
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: contains DMT that will be used in ritualistic, shamanistic human experiences.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: They kind of treat it like catnip.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Microdosing them, basically.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they chew on the vines and the leaves, and
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: then they roll around in it. And then apparently for
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: several hours after, they are super cool.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Interesting.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Less likely to eat your face.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that is a concern. Those are some vicious big
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: cats and strong as hell.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they can get in the trees.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they'll take you with them right up into the trees.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: They're like, come on.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: So shout out to all the DMT Jaguars in the crowd.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Dolphins get high off puffer fish.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about that or
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: what you know about it?
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: From what I understand, they just agitate the puffer fish
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: that they do their puffering and then they get high
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: off of the active ingredients, which is essentially, once again,
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: a toxin.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: It's a venom, right?
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a venom. So they figure out how to
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: get the right dosage. So they're kind of micro dosing
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: puffer fish toxin and then they get off and then
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: they go and like play with their buddies and go
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: rub themselves on rocks. So it's like a thing for them. Heard. Same.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: Who are we to judge? Isn't that funny, though?
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, the same kind of experimentation that humans have
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: done for centuries, whether it be culinarily, like who ate
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: the first oyster?
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: That thing doesn't look like a good idea to you.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, it happens in the animal kingdom.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: You know, along a long enough timeline, we're kind of
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: technically part of the animal kingdom.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Of course. Not that much different than our animal kingdom.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Shout out, bloodhound gang.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: It's crazy it took all of us so long to
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: get to it.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's true. Man, I think we put a pin
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: in this one, guys.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: This is definitely an ongoing series, and I think we
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: should have Zarin back for another one. We got a
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: little bit of tangents and trivia here that we're going
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: to save because we're going on a journey, Ben and
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Max and I, so we need to buffer up a
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: little bit. So we're going to do sort of a
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: leftovers episode in the coming weeks while we're.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: On our cruise. I love leftovers, so if you want
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: to have me back, I'll.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Come roll through. Bro, are you serious?
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for real. Please, dude.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Also, Zarin, as we're wrapping up, just backstage, folks— This
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: is a whole week with Zarin Burnett, the creator of
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: not only Black Cowboys, the creator of very special episodes,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: of course, the creator of Ridiculous Crime, along with Elizabeth
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Dutton and Who we're also.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Going to have on in the very near future, as
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: well as the aforementioned game show format that we're going
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: to do before the end of the year.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Which Zarin invented.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we got some fun planned for y'all.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Zarin invented the game show.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: That's wild. Little fun facts. History of sitting.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: On a plane, everyone was smoking, and he's like, what
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: if we have game shows?
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: And reindeer supplements, but coma free.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Love it.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: That's back when reindeer could fly on planes as well
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: before they got the sleighs. Well, Zarin, man, thank you
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: so much for joining us.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Thank you guys for having me.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Bro, where can people go to learn more about your work?
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Best place is go listen to Ridiculous Crime with me
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: and Elizabeth Dutton. It's a really fun, fantastic show. And
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: thank you guys for giving us that platform to have
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: fun with our fans and crowds.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Recently listed as one of, I think it was Entertainment
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Weekly's top crime podcast.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: Yes, top 30 best true crime podcasts of all time.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: We were really stoked on that. 99% murder free. Yes, 100% ridiculous.
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  Speaker 4: So go check it out. And then obviously very special episodes.
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  Speaker 4: We do magazine style stories where... They're like little mini movies,
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  Speaker 4: and I highly recommend that. And as you pointed out,
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  Speaker 4: there's always Black Cowboys. If you'd like to hear about
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  Speaker 4: the history of the West you don't normally get to
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  Speaker 4: learn about, there's plenty of stories, and they're much similar
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  Speaker 4: to very special episodes where they're like little mini movies.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: But in this case, they're like little mini Westerns.
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  Speaker 1: Big, big thanks to our super producer, Max Soothing Syrup Williams. Big,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: big thanks to A.J. Bahamas Jacobs, a.k.a. The Puzzler, that
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  Speaker 1: you would love to hang out with, Zarek.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: What a cool guy.
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan Strickland, the Quister, Christopher Haciotis, Anita Jeff Goods here
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  Speaker 2: in spirit. Ben, thank you for whipping this list together
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  Speaker 2: in a pinch, man. I know that we were under
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  Speaker 2: the gun and it really, really worked out beautifully. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited to add to it and continue on with
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: this weird stuff people got high to series on Ridiculous History.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see you next time, folks.
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  Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.