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- 0:00They make me feel like my insides are collapsing onto themselves.
- 0:06There's this constant balancing act of
- 0:10your needs as a human and your guilt as a parent.
- 0:15You feel like you're gonna be failing one of them at all times.
- 0:19All right, here we go. I'm gonna pretend I'm pushing record. Cause that feels right.
- 0:23Okay, I'm pressing record. Boop. Hi,
- 0:27everybody. I'm Lauren Howard. Welcome to Different
- 0:30Not Broke is our podcast on exactly that.
- 0:34That there are a lot of people in this world walking around feeling broken. And
- 0:37the reality is you're just different. And that's fine. I'm sure I've
- 0:41said this before a number of times, but the last year has been
- 0:45chaotic and exhausting and
- 0:49a thousand other things that have left me frequently
- 0:52feeling like my fuse is very short.
- 0:57I always try to be really, really
- 1:01aware of what my kids are getting off of me,
- 1:05kind of vibe wise. If you had told me before we had
- 1:08children that Kyle Howard would be the heavy and the
- 1:12disciplinarian and that I would be the
- 1:16laid back, permissive parent, I would have laughed in your face.
- 1:21I would have told you that you were bonkers. And then these
- 1:24kids were born and I became fully useless at discipline.
- 1:29I am absolutely worthless when it comes to enforcing the
- 1:33rules. The only rule that I'm really good at is bedtime. Kyle
- 1:37Howard is terrible at bedtime because he doesn't understand
- 1:40clocks in any way, shape or form. He has never met a
- 1:44clock that he agrees with, whereas I only understand clocks. And
- 1:48I am like a walking one. And so I'm good at bedtime. He's not.
- 1:52But other than that, like, these kids are mouthy and
- 1:55disrespectful. And I'm like, that was great. And he was like, you shouldn't let them
- 1:58talk to you like that. And I'm like, why not? I love it.
- 2:02My youngest cries and is clearly definitely a hundred percent
- 2:06trying to manipulate me. And I am totally on board for it.
- 2:10And the alternative is let her cry. And my
- 2:14response is, come here, baby, I need to hug you and
- 2:18cuddle you. Because even though I know you're being manipulative, I still want to hug
- 2:21you because you're so cute. So anyway, life is funny in that way
- 2:24that there's no planet where my husband was supposed to be
- 2:28the heavy. That is not the way we live our lives. And yet here I
- 2:31am being 97% useless when it comes to
- 2:35discipline because I just want to let them live and do what they want and
- 2:38figure things out. And apparently that's not what you're supposed to do with children. And
- 2:42I think that's ridiculous. There is this very
- 2:46real aspect of parenting that is
- 2:49the constant overstimulation of being a
- 2:53parent. And it does not matter how many
- 2:56children you have, their existences
- 3:01are overstimulating. And if you are a person like me
- 3:05who is prone to overstimulation, it can be really
- 3:08overwhelming at times. And again, for the most part,
- 3:12I try to deal with it. And my kids know. My kids know that if,
- 3:16like, four people are talking at once, you're not getting an answer out of me.
- 3:19I can't figure out who's saying what and when. And so I'll
- 3:22say, like, stop, guys. One person. Pick one person.
- 3:26They also kind of experience the same kind of sensory overload at times. And so
- 3:30they get it. And I don't expect them to fix things
- 3:33for me, but I do expect that if they need something,
- 3:37that we will kind of work together to figure out how to communicate it in
- 3:41a way that works for both of our brains. And that's a constantly
- 3:44evolving process. But after the year we've had,
- 3:48my proximity to overstimulation is shorter
- 3:52or closer than it's ever been, ever.
- 3:57There are little teeny, tiny things that they do that
- 4:01are completely imperceptible to other people in the world,
- 4:04completely imperceptible to anybody who is not me,
- 4:08that make me feel like I am being
- 4:12crushed inside. They make me feel like my insides are collapsing
- 4:16onto themselves. And I have to remember, and I have
- 4:19remind myself all the time, that just because this
- 4:23feels like absolute chaos to me internally does not mean I have to communicate
- 4:27it to them that way. And I can very politely ask them to
- 4:31stop doing those things, even though inside
- 4:34I feel like I am being absolutely freaking
- 4:38crushed. Absolutely crushed. And it's very,
- 4:41very simple, tiny things that I think probably never would have
- 4:45bothered me before, but I'm just in this phase
- 4:49of my life that we're working through a lot, and
- 4:52there's so much stress and there's so much overwhelm. So I'll
- 4:56give you an example. My kids are always in my office coloring. And that's not
- 5:00a complaint. I love it. I even have a little station set up for them.
- 5:03I like to buy pens, but I am a picky
- 5:06diva when it comes to pens. So if you show me
- 5:10a pack of colorful pens, the reality is I'm probably gonna buy it
- 5:14because I love it and I wanna try them. But I will also try them
- 5:17one time before being like, well, these are Trash and never touch them again.
- 5:21So I put them in a pile. Like there's a little organizer on that side
- 5:24of my desk and my kids can come in and use them whenever they want.
- 5:27And I print out coloring pages for them and they can use them and it's
- 5:29great. And I get to have my colorful sets of pens so they come in
- 5:33and they color next to me like somewhat constantly. And that's fine and I
- 5:37love it. And my 7 year old, I say that
- 5:40her butt has magnets in it because it
- 5:44is immediately drawn to the nearest adult and she
- 5:48has to be right on top of you all the time. Not
- 5:51nearest adult in like strangers. In fact, she's the one who is
- 5:55very stranger averse. Whereas my 9 year old is like,
- 5:59everybody's my friend. And so she will come and she'll start
- 6:02across the room and then slowly creep her way until she is
- 6:06like right on top of me. And she'll do this thing where she is just
- 6:10putting the tiniest amount of pressure on my desk chair
- 6:14so that I can't move it and fidget freely.
- 6:18And it is like being trapped in a vice as far as my
- 6:22brain is concerned. Literally nobody else in the world would
- 6:26notice that this is happening. But I notice.
- 6:29And it makes me feel like I have lost all function in my body
- 6:33and that I can't move freely and I hate it. And so
- 6:37I have to translate that from this is the
- 6:41worst thing that has ever happened to me. Which is not. It's not. But
- 6:44that's what it feels like in that moment to hey, can you not
- 6:48lean on my chair? To which she always says, oh, sorry and
- 6:52bounces away and everything's fine. And then five minutes later she does it again and
- 6:55I have to go, hey, can you not lean on my chair? Hey,
- 6:59remember what I said like 2 minutes ago when I was like, hey, stop leaning
- 7:02on my chair. And every time it's like, oh, sorry. Then she bounces back to
- 7:06where she's supposed to be. It really does feel awful internally,
- 7:09even though it is so small and so simple. It
- 7:13is something that for whatever reason, the
- 7:17fuse that is so short right now is lit by
- 7:20that. It also happens when she, like, my kids do this all the time.
- 7:24And this is really kind of the thing I wanted to address.
- 7:28Do you remember when the Barbie movie came out and Ken said
- 7:32my job is beach? Like I say,
- 7:36my job is chair because as far as my children
- 7:39are concerned, I am a chair. If they see
- 7:43me, they sit on me. And that for the most part, I love It.
- 7:47It's amazing and it's wonderful. But also, there
- 7:51is something very, very
- 7:55stressful about a small human
- 7:58wedging herself onto your lap when she was not invited
- 8:02between your lap and your desk and
- 8:06having to navigate. And I'm like, why is your butt on me?
- 8:10Why is the immediate response that your butt needs to be on me?
- 8:15Because all of a sudden I can't move around, I can't fidget, I can't. And
- 8:18I've got. I can't use my hands, I can't use my computer. There's a butt
- 8:21on me. And a lot of times I will say, hey, can you go stand
- 8:25over there? And of course they'll do it. Sometimes they look at me and say,
- 8:28no, but it's like, very deliberate. It's like very
- 8:32much I know this is bothering you. And also, I'm
- 8:36making the conscious choice that I'm going to bother you. And that's like.
- 8:39I get that. I do understand that, and that's mostly funny.
- 8:43But for the most part, they just get up and move away. But then
- 8:47whether it's because, you know, they're doing something that
- 8:51feels constricting and making me feel like I can't move my body
- 8:54freely, which is really hard for me, or they're sitting on
- 8:58me and I'm not ready for that particular stimuli, right then
- 9:03they will absolutely move away. Correct it. No
- 9:06argument. And the next part of it is that I
- 9:10immediately feel guilty for two reasons. One, I feel guilty
- 9:13that their touch or their closeness could in
- 9:17any way make me feel so negative, which is a function of my
- 9:21brain and not really a function of anything that they're doing. But then
- 9:25there's that part of the parent brain that turns on
- 9:29when you're like, I'm asking her to get off my lap,
- 9:32and someday she's not gonna wanna sit on my lap anymore. And I'm gonna regret
- 9:36this. I'm gonna regret, like, not
- 9:39soaking up every single second of having her on my lap.
- 9:43But also, I can't make decisions about things based
- 9:47on guilt. There are times where I need space and
- 9:51the overstimulation is too much. But that doesn't make the
- 9:55guilt go away. It doesn't make you feel less guilty about
- 9:58making a conscious choice to not spend time being showered with the
- 10:02affection that someday your kids. Not even that they're not going to give you, but,
- 10:05like, there's going to be a day where my kid is not going to walk
- 10:08into my office and immediately climb on my lap because she's too grown up or
- 10:11she thinks she's too cool for it or her friends are around or whatever.
- 10:16And that's going to be devastating in its own way.
- 10:20This is 1000% the way that parents torture
- 10:23ourselves all the time. Like making a
- 10:27decision for yourself, protecting your peace, deciding
- 10:31to set a boundary, even if it's not a critically important
- 10:34boundary, the immediate balance to
- 10:38that is. But what if this is the last time?
- 10:42What if we don't ever get to do this again? Someday
- 10:46they're not going to love this. Nobody told me
- 10:50that someday you're going to pop out a kid
- 10:53and every decision from there forward is going to
- 10:57be about how you're failing them. And there are the
- 11:01times that you fail them less, and there are the times that you
- 11:05fail them more. But there are very rarely times
- 11:08when you're like, I'm getting this right
- 11:12at all. And right now I'm in a phase where
- 11:17my brain, my
- 11:21stress level, the things that we have recovered from, the things that we're still
- 11:24recovering from, require me to have a whole lot
- 11:28of grace for myself and for the people around me. Myself especially.
- 11:32I'm horrible at giving myself grace and
- 11:36balancing it with this constant
- 11:40feeling. Like, the areas where I
- 11:43have to assert that there is something that I need are
- 11:47going to be places that I might regret someday
- 11:51because of this constant parental guilt that
- 11:55is crushing all the time. Even when you're doing things amazingly right
- 11:59again, like, it never feels like you're crushing it. It always feels like you are
- 12:03doing things the least bad. Like, I joke a lot about things that
- 12:06my kids do that are as good as a DNA test, where I feel like,
- 12:10oh, I've nailed this. Either I've nailed this, or like, oh, I'm sorry I made
- 12:13you that way. But usually they're funny. But there was one
- 12:16situation, the one time in the
- 12:20almost 10 years that I've been a parent that I was certain I
- 12:24had done something right. Absolutely certain I had done something right. We
- 12:27were at a relative's house, and my
- 12:31kids mouth off to me all the time, and it doesn't bother me. They talk
- 12:33back to me constantly. We joke like that all the time. They're funny as
- 12:37hell. They're sarcastic as hell. My oldest has a
- 12:41pun game that rivals the best, most advanced
- 12:45linguists in the world. Her pun game is better.
- 12:49And so I love it when they banter with me. I love it when they
- 12:52argue with me. I love it when they say silly stuff. And they also, like,
- 12:56I can also turn it off when I need to and be like, hey, not
- 12:59the time. And they'll usually back off, but for the most part, like there's nothing
- 13:03off limits. They can say whatever they want. And so we were at a
- 13:06holiday meal or something and my kid said something
- 13:10sassy to me and I like raised one eyebrow and laughed because I thought
- 13:14it was funny. And the family member who was sitting at the table
- 13:17looked at her and said, you better watch it or she's going to
- 13:21give you a fat lip. And I was so
- 13:25shocked. And my kid looks at them and says,
- 13:30what's a fat lip? And they say it means
- 13:34she's going to hit you in the mouth for being disrespectful. And without
- 13:37missing a beat, my oldest, very
- 13:40genuinely and without concern, looked at them and said,
- 13:45she's my mom, she would never hit me. And I was
- 13:49ready to jump in. I was ready to say, like, how in a
- 13:52million years could you talk to my kid like that? How could you suggest that
- 13:56to my kid? That is not what we do in our house. And before I
- 13:59even had the chance, my then nine year old said,
- 14:04she's my mom, she would never hit me. And it was like
- 14:08watching something heal. Generations and generations of
- 14:12generational trauma, just like resolve in
- 14:16this little 45 pound body. That was a three minute period
- 14:20in 10 years of parenting, the only time that I
- 14:24ever felt that I actually got it right. And so
- 14:28I keep that moment with me forever. Because if
- 14:32the only thing I ever do right is to give them
- 14:35a space safe enough where they can say anything, do anything,
- 14:39bring anything, and know that there's no violent
- 14:43reprisal on the other side, no terrifying reprisal on the
- 14:47other side, everything else is awash.
- 14:50But even though I've had the kind of tangible proof of that that
- 14:54most people would die for, most parents at least,
- 14:58I still spend so much time balancing
- 15:02my own needs, my own overwhelm, my own overstimulation,
- 15:06which is something I struggle with all the time. And my desire
- 15:10to keep my kids close, and my general
- 15:13concern about the fact that someday they're not going to be my tiny babies
- 15:17anymore, even though they're already not tiny, which is rude, nobody told them they were
- 15:20allowed to do that. There's this constant balancing
- 15:24act of your needs as a human
- 15:28and your guilt as a parent, and you feel
- 15:32like you're going to be failing one of them at all times. I don't have
- 15:36a solution for that, except to acknowledge the fact that it exists,
- 15:39acknowledge the fact that my kids are healthy and well taken care of and
- 15:43have everything they need in this life and most of the things that they want.
- 15:48And that you don't stop being a parent when things are hard,
- 15:52but you do sometimes become a parent who struggles with specific things
- 15:56when things are hard. And that's not a reflection on you as a
- 16:00parent, but it is something that you have to
- 16:03pay attention to and be mindful of. One, because you
- 16:07don't want that thing to become your kid's responsibility, but two, because
- 16:12you deserve grace in that situation. And
- 16:15sometimes that means that little
- 16:19imperceptible things that don't mean anything to anyone else are
- 16:22really gonna bother you. And one,
- 16:26you have to find a way to cope with it. But two,
- 16:30deciding that protecting your peace in
- 16:33those situations and giving yourself some sense of calm and
- 16:37resolve in something that makes you feel
- 16:41chaotic even though it's so tiny, and that you're
- 16:44not damaging your relationship with your kids by doing it.
- 16:51And now we'll go to Allison, who has this week's
- 16:55small talk. I don't know if this is even a question or just me admitting
- 16:59something out loud for the first time. I'm good at my job,
- 17:02like, objectively good, but I still feel like I'm one mistake away
- 17:06from being found out. Is there a point where imposter syndrome
- 17:10actually shuts up, or do you just learn to live with the
- 17:13noise? That's a really good question. And I say this as
- 17:17somebody who knows your imposter syndrome is full of shit and should
- 17:21go get bent. And the part of your brain that
- 17:26tells you that you can't do those things is either
- 17:30parroting something that it's never actually been told or
- 17:34repeating things that have been told to it by people who
- 17:38are not good sources of information anyway. I think you will go through
- 17:42phases in your life where you're more secure in where you are, and
- 17:46whether that completely manifests as imposter syndrome going
- 17:49away or whether it's more likely that it's this
- 17:53naggy voice at the back of your head that you have learned to work through
- 17:57and ignore. I can't exactly promise the realities of that, but
- 18:01it's one of those things, right? In my experience, I'm sure there are people
- 18:05who have kicked their imposter syndrome. And I really, really encourage
- 18:09everyone who is struggling with imposter syndrome to look at
- 18:12their nearest mediocre white male and see if he's
- 18:16struggling with imposter syndrome, because I guarantee you, he's
- 18:20not. The career trajectory of the mediocre white
- 18:23male does not have the same trappings of
- 18:27imposter syndrome than it does for basically everybody else. And
- 18:30so we say this a lot, but, you know, approach everything as
- 18:34if you were a mediocre white male. Because he is not concerned about being
- 18:38ill prepared for something he's not. He has been taught
- 18:41always that every role was made for him and that
- 18:45everybody's lucky to have him in every space that he's in. And he just doesn't
- 18:48worry about it. I'm not talking about anybody specific, to be clear. I'm talking about
- 18:51this kind of mythical figure. Not mythical. He really exists in a lot
- 18:55of different forms, but they get to
- 18:58benefit from the
- 19:02unfettered joy of failing up. You know, these are the people who
- 19:06do a really bad job at something. And the solution
- 19:09from corporate is to promote them
- 19:13instead of fire them. Well, we need to get him out of that role,
- 19:17so we're gonna promote him instead of actually dealing with
- 19:21the corporate internal issues. So that's not who you need to aspire to
- 19:24because you're already better than that. That kind of
- 19:28inexplicable self perception is what we need
- 19:31to aspire to, even though in your case it's explicable because you
- 19:35really are that magical and wonderful. That
- 19:39said, I will guess there are people in this
- 19:43world who have improved from imposter syndrome
- 19:46or not had it plague them ever again when they
- 19:50have some sort of light bulb. But I think in general, being
- 19:54a person who is self aware and
- 19:58not overly impressed with yourself means that there are
- 20:02times where you feel like a toddler in a room of postdocs.
- 20:06And that is just the reality of
- 20:11being a person who may be super
- 20:14confident in your skills in some places, but not in everything.
- 20:19I can't promise that it will go away entirely. I can promise
- 20:22that you can start retraining your brain in ways that
- 20:26make the bouts of it shorter, that make them less paralyzing,
- 20:30that make you get closer to feeling
- 20:34like you can do it scared. Like if it's
- 20:37fear that's standing in your way, you can do it scared. Because remember,
- 20:41if you're not doing something because you're worried that someone's going to tell you
- 20:45no, you're doing that for them. So you might as
- 20:49well do it and just let them tell you no. There's a good chance
- 20:52they might actually tell you yes. Instead, let them surprise you, even
- 20:56though nobody else is survi is surprised because everybody knew that you would,
- 21:00that you were a shoo in or that you were fully capable, or that it
- 21:04was made for you. So will there be a
- 21:08day that imposter syndrome is not a thing for you anymore?
- 21:11Maybe. Is it more likely that you learn how to
- 21:15train it out of your kind of every day so that it's not bothering you
- 21:18all the time? Probably. And are there
- 21:22still seasons of life where you get a
- 21:25gut punch from something and all of a sudden you're questioning
- 21:29your capabilities and you know what you can do and how it has the
- 21:33potential to interfere with whatever opportunities in front of you?
- 21:36Absolutely. I will say, like
- 21:40February me of this year versus
- 21:44October me of this year were totally different people.
- 21:47One of them, and I won't tell you which one, but one of them
- 21:51was ready to take over the world. And one of them was wondering
- 21:55why anybody even let me own a
- 21:58company. And I say that as the person who tells
- 22:02people multiple times a week that that's just their imposter syndrome
- 22:06talking and they need to tell them to tell imposter syndrome to shove it. Those
- 22:09two things can exist. They can both exist in your body. And you may very
- 22:13well find that as seasons change, so does
- 22:16your confidence level. And that's not only human, but completely expected.
- 22:21And again, the only people who don't have
- 22:24imposter syndrome, the only people who don't have imposter syndrome
- 22:28are the ones who should have imposter syndrome.
- 22:32Everybody else has probably worked their way there. I'm not sure if
- 22:36we've talked about this before, but
- 22:39imposter syndrome is based on a
- 22:43whole lot of arrogance, but not arrogance in the
- 22:47way that you're thinking. Right. So we think
- 22:51that, you know, I must be saying that you're so impressed with yourself.
- 22:54I know you're not. I know that's not what drives imposter syndrome,
- 22:58but it is not possible that every
- 23:02person in your life who has been part
- 23:05of your career up till now has been wrong about
- 23:09you in such a way that you were able to repeatedly
- 23:13fail into where you are. It's not possible.
- 23:18If you got where you are, you got there because you did the work,
- 23:21you put in, the time, you developed the relationships, you did all of
- 23:25those things. It is so self centered to think
- 23:29that the universe likes you so much that
- 23:33it let you fail repeatedly to get where
- 23:37you are. It's not possible. You have not only been
- 23:41surrounded by people who are unsmart and so bad
- 23:44at what they do that they didn't realize that you were also
- 23:48bad at what you do. It's not possible. It's not how it
- 23:52works. You are a
- 23:56magical, wonderful,
- 23:59unicorn person who deserves
- 24:03every ounce of everything that you get and you
- 24:07did not repeatedly fail to get there. That said,
- 24:11I know you don't believe any of it. If you need to hear that
- 24:15again at some time, let me know. I gotcha. Thanks for being here,
- 24:19guys. Have a good day. Love you. Mean it.
- 24:26I just want to point something out before I lose my ever
- 24:30loving shit. Which is close.
- 24:34It is 12:12 Eastern Time
- 24:39on a Tuesday. What do we
- 24:42do every Tuesday? That I have told this man who
- 24:46inhabits my house. That we do every Tuesday.
- 24:50Tell me how a contractor just walked up on my goddamn porch.
- 24:55I'm gonna hurl this man out the window if this person makes noise. And I'm
- 24:58not gonna be nice about it this time. I'm gonna walk out and be like,
- 25:00stop it. It is Tuesday. I'm gonna get
- 25:04a cheap shock machine is what I'm gonna get. I'm gonna attach it to
- 25:07him. How is it every
- 25:11motherfucking Tuesday? Never any other
- 25:15day of the week.