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Inside Stories From The 2024 National Championship Season · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes tomorrow morning. From Monday, April twenty. First
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  Speaker 1: time your host Tom Moore. The Texas game in one
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  Speaker 1: Today's show a little different, but a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 1: Last week, before the Buckeyes made their White House visit,
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Noon and I get a chance to spend an
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  Speaker 1: evening with the Ohio State Alumni Club of Washington d C.
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  Speaker 1: We spent almost two hours talking about covering the National Championship,
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  Speaker 1: what it's like to cover the team in general, last season,
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  Speaker 1: some of the behind the scenes stories, all that kind
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  Speaker 1: of fun stuff. This is going to be the first
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  Speaker 1: hour or so of that event. Really mostly just Kevin
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  Speaker 1: and I talking about last season, going through some of
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  Speaker 1: the memorable moments, what it's like covering the team, and
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  Speaker 1: much more. We had a ton of fun that night,
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  Speaker 1: and I think you guys are going to enjoy this
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  Speaker 1: and quite a bit as well. So here is sort
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  Speaker 1: of the first hour of our time with the Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State Alumni Club of Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 2: They're in town for tomorrow's visits the White House, and
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  Speaker 2: we ask them to sit and join us for the
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  Speaker 2: day and just share a little bit of your experiences.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, what it's like covering the team.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the stories you may not hear.
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  Speaker 2: Some of the questions they may answer, some of them
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  Speaker 2: they may not, depending on the personal Like.
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  Speaker 3: Yet, but let me keep drinking.
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you I will be passing around some raffle
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  Speaker 4: tickets and they were fortunate enough to bring something fenny
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  Speaker 4: from the National Championship game.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're one of the folks that gets a ticket,
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  Speaker 1: you get a little bag.
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  Speaker 3: I can you say.
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  Speaker 2: So? Tom or Kevin Noon, Washington d C Alumni Club
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  Speaker 2: And also to follow their podcast Kevin or Morning Show
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  Speaker 2: and the Big newon Kickoffs, Big Me Kickoffs, Big Me Kickoffs.
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  Speaker 3: So playoff of the Big Noon with my last name
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  Speaker 3: being Noon. So I just wanted to keep clear of
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  Speaker 3: those lawyers, not week of course. I well, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we'll start a little bit. I'll tell you a little
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  Speaker 3: my background. Tom will tell you that, and we'll kind
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  Speaker 3: of go through some opening things. We'll get into some questions.
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  Speaker 3: I've been covering Ohio State about twenty five years now.
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  Speaker 3: I initially I went to Ohio State Broadcast journalism, worked
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  Speaker 3: for the ABC affiliate for five years, moved out of state,
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  Speaker 3: covered the Big twelve at Fox Southwest, and then went
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  Speaker 3: worked for Rivals dot Com for a while and in
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  Speaker 3: two thousand and six I was sent to Columbus to
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  Speaker 3: cover Ohio State. I kind of accidentally found my way
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  Speaker 3: into Ohio State. I am from the West Coast, grew
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  Speaker 3: up as a USC fan, but is not old. That's
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  Speaker 3: not let's not make this personal or anything like that.
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  Speaker 3: Went through a lot of round and round and round,
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  Speaker 3: and my dad took a job outside of Mount Gilead
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  Speaker 3: and I ended up at Ohio State. And that's kind
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  Speaker 3: of how it happened. But you know, I've certainly seen
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  Speaker 3: the good, I've seen the bad, even seen the ugly
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  Speaker 3: at Ohio State. But you know, you look at Ohio
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  Speaker 3: State's history through the years there, what is the most
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  Speaker 3: disappointing season that we can really think of in recent
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  Speaker 3: memory that would be six and seven in twenty eleven
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  Speaker 3: six and seven, there's not been the fall off like
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  Speaker 3: we've seen at everybody else. Bama fans could sit there
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  Speaker 3: and puff their chest. Let me introduce you to Mike Price,
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  Speaker 3: let me introduce you to to Shula, let me introduce
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  Speaker 3: you to some of these guys there. Ohio State has
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  Speaker 3: not had that type of thing. So I just tell
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  Speaker 3: everybody we are in a prolonged golden age at Ohio State.
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  Speaker 3: We are we're watching defending national champions and I have
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  Speaker 3: a hard time seeing anybody that's really significantly better than
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  Speaker 3: Ohio State going into twenty five. But we'll get into
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  Speaker 3: that in a minute, said Lariot Garden.
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  Speaker 1: So my name missed Tom Moore. I grew up on
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  Speaker 1: the East Coast but had family in Ohio. Would we
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  Speaker 1: go out and visit grandparents and stuff for Thanksgiving every year,
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  Speaker 1: and would see my grandfather yelling at the TV on
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  Speaker 1: the Saturday after Thanksgiving. I'm like, what, let's he y'all
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  Speaker 1: irritated about? And so by the time I got to
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  Speaker 1: I started really kind of following Ohio State football in
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  Speaker 1: the early nineties, like ninety three, which was if you
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  Speaker 1: go back through the years a pretty good time. I
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  Speaker 1: missed the end of the Earl Bruce, I missed the
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  Speaker 1: ugly beginning of the John Cooper and got on board
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  Speaker 1: right on time. Came to Ohio State in nineteen ninety six,
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  Speaker 1: was the editor of the Lantern, the sports editor of
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  Speaker 1: the Lantern in two thousand, so I covered the end
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  Speaker 1: of the John Cooper era, and then got a job
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  Speaker 1: at the NBC affiliate in Columbus as a sports producer
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  Speaker 1: and worked there for a few years. Got to cover, well,
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  Speaker 1: I say you got to cover. I watched on TV
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  Speaker 1: from an NBC station as they won the national championship
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and two. That was pretty exciting. And
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  Speaker 1: then met a nice girl who then got a job
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  Speaker 1: in Detroit at the ABC station up there, and when
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  Speaker 1: we figured out, like, hey, we're probably gonna get married
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  Speaker 1: at some point, moved to Detroit for a few years
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  Speaker 1: both to gasp, you know where Detroit is, right, So
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  Speaker 1: lived up there for a few years, and then move
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  Speaker 1: back in two thousand and seven, and then have been
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  Speaker 1: back covering Ohio State since twenty seventeen. So been on
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  Speaker 1: the beat for quite a while now. As Kevin said,
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  Speaker 1: you know what you look at the Jim Tressel era.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember during the Jim Trestle era, people saying,
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  Speaker 1: this is the golden age of Ohio State football. You'd
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  Speaker 1: better appreciate it. They're beating Michigan, they're winning the Big Ten.
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  Speaker 1: The boy is crazy. And then that ended, and then
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  Speaker 1: Urban Meyer showed up and it was they're beating Michigan
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  Speaker 1: and they're winning the National championship and this is the
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  Speaker 1: golden era of Ohio State football. And then now it's
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Day and guess what they just won won the
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  Speaker 1: national championship again, and guess what. It's the golden age
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  Speaker 1: of o Ihiowa State football. But you know, enjoy it
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  Speaker 1: because there's stuff that you never you never know but
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  Speaker 1: you're taking taking for granted. Now you never know how
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  Speaker 1: long that's gonna last. But yeah, the golden age has continued.
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  Speaker 1: I think we've talked about this before. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that there's a program in the country that benefits more
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  Speaker 1: from the expansion of college football playoff in Ohio State,
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  Speaker 1: where you have if you go back to twenty fourteen,
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  Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, even twenty twelves, if they had had been eligible,
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  Speaker 1: they would have been a playoff every single year. What
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  Speaker 1: are the odds they win more than one national championship
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  Speaker 1: over that ten year span, twelve year span, thirteen year span,
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  Speaker 1: if they'd been in every single year, probably pretty good
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  Speaker 1: because they were they were the hottest team in they
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  Speaker 1: at the in the country towards the end season a
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  Speaker 1: couple of times there. They're probably going to be in
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  Speaker 1: most years now, not every year, but most years. So
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  Speaker 1: that's going to benefit them more than just about every
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  Speaker 1: anyone else. Like, yeah, it'll be great for Penn State
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  Speaker 1: because Penn State now gets to get in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 1: which they didn't get to do before Ohio but penns
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  Speaker 1: but you know, until Penn State has the talent that
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State has, you know, that'll get them to the
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  Speaker 1: second round, the third round, but maybe not with a
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  Speaker 1: good draw. With a good draw. Yeah, if they get
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  Speaker 1: to play what SMU and UH boys, Yeah yeah, listen,
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  Speaker 1: if you get to play SBU and Boise State, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to give them a pretty good chance of making
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  Speaker 1: the final four. Could you know Ohio State is talent
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  Speaker 1: wise if they just keep bringing in bringing in the talent,
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  Speaker 1: they keep bringing in talented coaches and uh, you know
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Days at the point where you always wonder when
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  Speaker 1: someone comes in and takes over from a really, really
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  Speaker 1: talented coach, you know, are you going to get the
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  Speaker 1: uh what Larry Coker syndrome? Remember Larry Coker who was
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  Speaker 1: the coach from Miami right after butch Davis and inherited
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  Speaker 1: one of the most talented teams in college football history
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  Speaker 1: and won the national championship and then got him to
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  Speaker 1: the national championship again in two thousand and two for
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  Speaker 1: a very very controversial call at the end of that
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  Speaker 1: game where Chris Gampbell caught a pass. No, Chris Cample, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Chris Gampbele caught a pass in regulation and the Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State should have won a regulation. But that's okay because
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  Speaker 1: they won in double overtime. But after that, Miami football
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  Speaker 1: fell apart because it wasn't actually Larry Coker. It was
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  Speaker 1: just Larry Coker drafting off of the guy behind him.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Date's been in Ohio State now for seven years,
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  Speaker 1: just had their best season. So it seems like, you,
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  Speaker 1: you know, success should continue moving forward.
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  Speaker 3: Two points and then I'll get to kind of my
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  Speaker 3: next major point. That O two season I was actually
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  Speaker 3: involved with the Dallas Ohio State Alumni Chapter and I
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  Speaker 3: was at the alumni bar watching that game. I was
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  Speaker 3: secretary for the Ohio State A on my association chapter,
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  Speaker 3: and that was a crazy day. When I was working
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  Speaker 3: for Fox Sports Net and I took the day off,
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, I am not working. Actually, my boss is like,
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  Speaker 3: you are not working this day because we know you
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  Speaker 3: won't do chit. So that was a memory. But just
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  Speaker 3: talking about what the days were in I remember going
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  Speaker 3: to Long's bookstore and buying the twenty five year anniversary
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  Speaker 3: of the sixty eight championship team, the Coke Bops, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, there's just these are gonna I'll just
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  Speaker 3: drink the coke. Who cares? They're gonna win a national
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  Speaker 3: championship here soon? And we had to wait until two.
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  Speaker 3: I took oh I took a long path through college.
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  Speaker 3: I was a slow learner, a big drinker. And they
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  Speaker 3: were five and one against that team up north while
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  Speaker 3: I was at Ohio State. It wasn't until I got
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  Speaker 3: out of Columbus, so I got out of Ohio State
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  Speaker 3: that I actually saw a win. But we're in a
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  Speaker 3: different era now and there's still gonna be people who
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  Speaker 3: are going to remind you, and I'm not blaming them
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  Speaker 3: that it doesn't matter if you don't beat Michigan. You
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  Speaker 3: see those three rings they got yesterday at the spring game.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's fine. I think it's fine. But which works.
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  Speaker 3: That's the championship board.
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  Speaker 1: So they got they got three rings. One of them
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  Speaker 1: was from Ohio State for winning the national champion.
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  Speaker 3: That was the big one, had the confetti up and had.
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  Speaker 1: The confetti inside and all that kind of stuff. There
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  Speaker 1: was another one that was from the college football Playoff
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  Speaker 1: that they gave them and you know, so that's from
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  Speaker 1: the playoff. And then there's a third one that was
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  Speaker 1: just for making the college football playoff that I guess
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  Speaker 1: everyone who made the college football playoff against uh Now.
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  Speaker 1: So so those are the three different rings. Because I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking Rose Bowl, Gotten Bowl, Nah, but no, was
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  Speaker 1: that was that was a three different.
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  Speaker 3: Rings, But it was. It was a It was a
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  Speaker 3: tremendous run. I mean, I will admit that. Coming out
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  Speaker 3: of the loss to Michigan, I'm like, something's got to change,
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  Speaker 3: something has got to change this. I don't I don't
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  Speaker 3: understand this. They outsmarted themselves. They had the team to
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  Speaker 3: beat them straight up, but they wanted to fight them
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  Speaker 3: in a phone booth play Michigan style of game. This
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  Speaker 3: has got to change. They can't do this. And I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess they might make the playoff, probably
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  Speaker 3: be a road team, you know, I don't know. And
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  Speaker 3: then they go on this run and you know, we'll
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  Speaker 3: kind of walk you through the run in our experience.
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  Speaker 3: Is there. I know there are a lot of questions
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  Speaker 3: just maybe about you know, the job and everything else,
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  Speaker 3: and we'll get into all of that too. But it
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  Speaker 3: was so cold. I don't know, was anybody here come
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  Speaker 3: up to Columbus for the Tennessee game. Yes, it was
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  Speaker 3: really really cold, and they did no power said something
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  Speaker 3: along the lines. The second they came out there, we
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  Speaker 3: knew we had those fools. Yes, and there were thirty
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  Speaker 3: thirty five thousand Tennessee fans that were convinced that they
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  Speaker 3: were going to win that game. They were they were
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  Speaker 3: they were convinced. I ran into some out at Easton
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  Speaker 3: and they're like, I'm just sorry that we're we came
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  Speaker 3: up here and we're gonna come into your house and
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna do this and do that.
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  Speaker 3: And make a sandwich out of your refrigerator and leave.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, there was they were I'm cleaning
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  Speaker 3: this up because it's a family show more or less so.
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  Speaker 3: But the way that Ohio State exploded to start that game.
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  Speaker 3: Jeremiah Smith was always impactful through the course of the season,
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  Speaker 3: but just that, you know, that first deep pass to them,
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  Speaker 3: when they hit Jeremiah on that first touchdown, I was like, uh, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I think we're in for something. And it wasn't a
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  Speaker 3: matter of that. I was thinking about them beating Tennessee.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, I think this team is moved beyond. And
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  Speaker 3: I posed the question, was Michigan the team up north.
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  Speaker 3: I'm on the team and I'm not doing push ups
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  Speaker 3: because I'm not I'm not doing them well. Tomato, Tomato?
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  Speaker 3: Was that a case of you know, them planting the flag?
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  Speaker 3: Was that the wake up call that they needed? Was
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  Speaker 3: that the moment that they needed to galvanize, because this
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  Speaker 3: was a team that really thrived off of moments. I
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  Speaker 3: think that the moment that they really kind of bonded
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  Speaker 3: around their spirituality, I think that was important. And then
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  Speaker 3: I think that that other moment when they were facing
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  Speaker 3: the deepest of despair, you know of despair. I think
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  Speaker 3: that that was something they were able to draw off of.
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  Speaker 3: And while Ohio State was fantastic, that was probably one
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  Speaker 3: of the most underprepared teams I've ever seen. With Tennessee,
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  Speaker 3: they had no idea. Yes, Dylan Samson was never effective
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  Speaker 3: in the game. He was heard. Yes they lost Squirrel White,
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  Speaker 3: Yes they were banged up. Sorry. Ohio State also had
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  Speaker 3: a couple of years where it didn't have Trevon Anderson
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  Speaker 3: at the end of the year Ohio State and Ohio
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  Speaker 3: State was not getting Josh Simmons or Seth McLachlan back.
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  Speaker 3: So it was really just the perfect storm in the
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  Speaker 3: beginning of the avalanche.
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  Speaker 1: One thing that this reminded me of, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: Kevin said he had questions about it. I saw them
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  Speaker 1: lose to Michigan, and I said, they're gonna be up
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  Speaker 1: twenty one. Nothing on Tennessee, They're gonna be up thirty four,
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  Speaker 1: nothing on Oregon. I don't know what people are worried about.
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  Speaker 1: And I was right. So this is why you should
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  Speaker 1: listen to me and not Kevin. It was do you
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  Speaker 1: remember the two thousand and I'm sorry to bring back
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  Speaker 1: bad vibes for just a moment. Do you remember the
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  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen Michigan State game where was you know, thirty
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  Speaker 1: two degrees and raining and raining sideways, you have raining
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  Speaker 1: sideways and Ezekiel Elliott had been in the hospital that
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  Speaker 1: week and they lost to Michigan State on the walk
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  Speaker 1: off field goal. And that was a team that had
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  Speaker 1: spent the whole season kind of sleepwalking through as the
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  Speaker 1: defending national champions and they lost that game. Do you
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  Speaker 1: remember what happened to next weekend where they went up
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  Speaker 1: to Michigan. That was Jim Harball's first here. I think
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  Speaker 1: Michigan might have been a favorite favorite by a couple
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  Speaker 1: of points maybe, and they beat him forty two to thirteen.
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  Speaker 1: Because it was just like, oh, the alarm clock just
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  Speaker 1: went off. That was kind of you watched that first
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  Speaker 1: quarter of that Tennessee game and it was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: oh the alarm clock went off. Okay, and now they're
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  Speaker 1: up twenty one nothing, and you know they really that
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  Speaker 1: was one where it could have been worse. It was
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  Speaker 1: they were up twenty one nothing. They had the first
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  Speaker 1: time they didn't score was a ball that goten tipped
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  Speaker 1: and intercepted in the end.
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  Speaker 3: Zone miss then missed PI call on that.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't going to complain about the referees.
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  Speaker 3: It was a miss PI call.
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  Speaker 1: But then Tennessee had a couple drives with there were
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  Speaker 1: a couple of calls that extended drives and that kind
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  Speaker 1: of stuff. And even then they won what forty two seventeen.
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  Speaker 3: I mean something like that. Tennessee threw on a late
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  Speaker 3: touchdown in the final in the in the final minute
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  Speaker 3: of the game, and Nico acted like he just you know,
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  Speaker 3: won the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: Four million dollar touchdown pass.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that I'll have sacred rope Tennessee, but Ohio,
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  Speaker 3: stay broke Tennessee.
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  Speaker 1: They broke his whole bit. So that that always struck
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  Speaker 1: me as just the talent was always there and it
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  Speaker 1: was just sometimes just kind of need a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a kick in the butt, and they got that
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  Speaker 1: kick in the butt. And then you go to the
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  Speaker 1: Rose Bowl and again they were underdogs right where they
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  Speaker 1: know were they a slight favorite?
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  Speaker 3: They were a slight favorite, And there were a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people who are acting like that they discovered electricity
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  Speaker 3: by saying that's just out a line. I'm putting it
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  Speaker 3: all on Oregon.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you had the first quarter and like
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  Speaker 1: a quarter and a half, Well.
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  Speaker 3: Jeremiah's scored before the TV it even switched over. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: because the Rose Bowl doesn't take anybody's BS, and we're
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  Speaker 3: not going they weren't going to delay the game. But
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  Speaker 3: the Fiesta, the Texas Arizona State Gium, Yeah, yeah, was
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  Speaker 3: still going on. Yeah, and like when it finally went
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  Speaker 3: over was like a minute after Jeremiah scored that first
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  Speaker 3: touchdown after the great start that you know, the great
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  Speaker 3: route that they ran with g and then just marched
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  Speaker 3: down the field. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well and that was also he that was just like
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  Speaker 1: a little drag route. He's running across the middle and
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: catches the ball and there's just no one there and
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: he just outran everyone. That wasn't the play though, that
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: really hit me where it's like, oh, Oregon is really.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Screwed right now.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: And that was one where they had three guys around
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: him and Will Howard just threw a ball up and
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Jeremiah went up and got it and it was like, oh,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: oh they have nothing, They have no answers right now.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: They had a safety up top. Yeah, they had the
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: corner that was like parallel with him. And then they
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: had the guy underneath and closed in.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and they had nothing on They couldn't
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: block the Ohaista defense line. They couldn't eight sacs. Yeah, yeah,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: that it was. That was you know, the first game
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: out in eating Ug. You got to think about how
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: much had to go wrong for it. I would state
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: to lose that game, you know, I mean you had
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Will cast Merrick breaks his arm, You had the you know,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: the ball getting stripped out of Quinshawn Judkins arms by
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: h was it Derek Harmon?
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: I think I think so, But you had Judkins, you Hadkins.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Had a hand injury that week that uh yeah.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Band engine. But also there was the unintentional intentional onside kick.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And even then all that
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: still had to come down to an intentional twelve men
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: on the field penalty. And you know, did Will and
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: the offensive pass your Faren's call against against Jeremiah Smith
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and Will Howard? Did he slide with one second left?
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: You know, there's that there's a still frame where you
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: could see Brandon It's coming into the background and to
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: calling time out, and you know, it ultimately didn't end
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: up mattering, but it was like that's what it took
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: for Oregill to win at home. And then so then
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: you get them on a neutral field and it was
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: outside of the twenty fourteen Big Ten Championship game that
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: was the fifty nine nothing.
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm explaining this like I need to explain this,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: like it Yeah, of course, you guys remember.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: If you're a fantastic audience, you know what we're talking about.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Oh you, oh, you remember one of the most memorable
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: games in Ohio state history. Interesting, okay, yeah, outside of that,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know that I've ever been more shocked by
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: a first half of the game than the Rose Bowl,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: because it was like, I thought they would beator and
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: but you know, I don't think anyone thought, yeah, this
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: is gonna be thirty four to nothing seven minutes into
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: the second course. So that was you know, and then
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: after that it was kind of we were just kind
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: of doing the math in your head where it's like, well, yeah,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: they scored a little you know, they scored a touchdown
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: before halftime, and then they scored in the second in
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: the third quarter, and you're just kind of doing the
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: math and it was like, see, this game's been over
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: for a while. They're just you know, they're just running
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: the clock to he the light of state of this bang.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, is there a difference that you saw in the
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: team itself between us the game, because like you're saying,
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of that bill wrong. No wonder if
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: like did they get you know, you talked about the
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: script closer over the season like climate, so well, difference
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: is what's meaning the gate gie works in Scowborough's goal.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: I don't get I don't think that they were disconnected
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: at first. I just think they were more connected later on.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: They'd been through a lot. I mean, obviously going into Oregon,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: they were undefeated. They this team's so talented. I mean,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: as long as they don't bleep this up, they're going
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: to national championship, et cetera. Well, they tasted their first
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: bit of adversity. So it's how you respond from adversity.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, as what he used to say, you know
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: about the soul clensing getting your ass kicked and everything else,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, this was you know, they they didn't necessarily
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: take a full beat down, but they took a verbal
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: beatdown from a lot of people. As we know, social
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: media can be a little toxic, and they heard a
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: lot of things that they didn't deserve to hear. But
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: I think they really they really came together. And when
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: it came down to this four game run that we're
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: here on game two talking about, I think they were
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: really fully connected. Going back to Urban and when he
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: brought Tim Kite in and it was you know, the
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: small unit cohesion and you know, fighting for the guy
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: next to you in the foxhole and everything else. I
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: think they were. I think they were really there. I
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: think it it It took a little bit because when
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: you are the favorite all the way through the season,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: more or less, and if you if you have an
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: empty possession, you're hearing about not if you lose a game,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: if you have an empty possession, you're hearing about it.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I think that they were able to really bring it
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: together in that Organ game. And the reality is I
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: think Organ put a lot put way too much in
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: what happened in Eugene. Well, we got these guys before
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: there was somebody one of their dbs popped off and
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: I don't remember the quote exactly about Oh, it was
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: something about you know, even in the game at the
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Rose Bowl, they you know, they they did they played
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: off of us or something else. So they were not
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: you know, they they weren't going to allow our athleticism
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: to beat them, or they were just real horse cramp
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, so that there was no real
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: humid humility with this team. But again it's a team
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: that somebody spit in the face of an Ohio State
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: player and got to run up too. He did, Yeah
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Tree Shawn Olden. I had to think about his name. Yeah.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: They also made some significant tweaks to the defense between
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: the first Orgon game and the end of the season,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: So you were getting a little bit more of a
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: little bit more unpredictable unpredictability on defense, a little more
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: diversity maybe scheme wise in terms of you know stuff.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: We have a guy on our site named Ross Fulton
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: who does ex's andose stuff who I end up sitting
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: there and listening to him and going aha and taking
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of notes as I'm doing shows with him.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: But he talked about that a bunch, just some of
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the different stuff they were showing in different just where
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: there were they had stuff early in the season where
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: you could with motion get them in bad positions and
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: get guys in spots where you would know, hey, if
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: we motion this. You know, we're in this formation, we
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: motion into something else. We're gonna have this matchup against
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: this defensive back. If you can set yourself up with
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: we want to get this guy on this guy, and
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: we're going to get in the you know, if they're
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: in this coverage, we're gonna have this matchup that's favorable
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: for us. That's bad. You want to be unpredictable on defense.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: They change things quite a bit through the course of
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: the season, and I think change some of that. That
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: was another really really big, big change from one big
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: the quarterback play include selling from Ohio State. Oh yeah,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, well we'll.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Play that out of his mind in the.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Merlan Gade, Yeah, yeah, it was fuggling a little bit. Yeah, well,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I mean Will Howard had Will Howard I think yet
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: to remember it. This time last year, maybe a little
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: more than a year ago, people saw Ohio State is
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: taking the kid from Kansas State who might have lost
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: the job at Kansas State to another guy who was
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: literally a quarterback at Kansas State. And it's like John
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Avery Johnson. Yeah, And I mean people looked.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: At that and laughed at and they passed on cam Ward.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Don't you.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and and Will Howard if you go back and
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: watch Will Howard. We on the way back from the
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Michigan game in twoenty twenty three, we stopped at We
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: stopped at Faker's Flickers in Bowling Green on our way
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: back there.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: And if you don't know, Freckers is basically the Sisters Roosters.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's a it's yeah, chicken wings and
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: all sorts of health food. So we stopped there on
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: our way back.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: There's a body good.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: There was a game. There was a game on the TV,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: and we're watching and it's just, you know, oh, hey,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: everyone loves a snow game. And it's Kansas State and
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Iowa State and we're watching this game and this Kansas
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: State quarterbacks like, oh, he's not you know, he's not bad.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: And you know, we knew who Will Howard was. It
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: wasn't like he was a brand new guy on the
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: college football scene. But it's not someone that we looked
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: at and go, this guy's going to be the leaded.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Just wait, give it twelve months. You're not gonna believe
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: that this guy's going to do at Ohio State. But
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: he he had he made big strides. I think he
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: really saw. You know, Ryan Day has a reputation as
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: a quarterback gurree. And when Ryan Day looks at a
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: guy and says this is you know, this is someone
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: who can do what we need him to do, Ryan
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Day tends to know what he's talking about. So, you know,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: he had a.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: As I ever been a seventy five percent passer who
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: maybe was doubted as much as Will Howard.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well and in chip Kelly and chip Kelly
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: was a big part of that as well last year
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: and they had a remarkably talented coaching staff that had
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of experience, and Will Howard left Ohio State.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Will Howard was what going to be a sixth round
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: pick maybe if he had gone.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: For a year ye late late day three.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now they're now they're talking about him as you know,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: second or third round pick. That's a that's a pretty
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: big job at least up to go. And and you
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: know he set the record at the National Championship game
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: was what fifteen fourteen.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Fifteen, Well, it was like I think it was third. I
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: think it was was at thirteen in that game, but
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: going back to the previous game, it was like.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Sixteen and sixteen straight.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sixteen consecutive passes completed to start and the miss was.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: One on that one on one going toward the corner,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: and it was a fifty to fifty ball, I mean,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: and it wasn't a bad mess.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, part yeah, part part of that
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: also is the guys, the guys who they brought in
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: and the guys who they had, they got better. So yeah,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: that was that was as as thorough a change in
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the narrative around two programs that you can magic. I
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: remember going in that game or going to being high
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: was staying twenty one in the Horseshoe and then they
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: beat him in Eugene in twenty twenty.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Four or only undefeated team and the only.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Number undefeated team in the country. They're number one in
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: the country there. Oh, they've got the smartest coach and
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: their quarterbacks so charming, and you know, boy, the defense
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: is you know, no one can score on the defense,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and oh boy, and.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: They went Ohio State played them in Oregon. They didn't
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: have George Burch, they didn't have their number one d
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: it I mean, and you know, and they got the
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: obviously they're not gonna be able to beat him with
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Jordan Birch. I mean the Ohio State's offensive line. He
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: got a guard playing tackle. I mean, I know what's
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: going on. But to Tom talking about the scheming, and
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna talk about the offensive side. Some of the
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: best scheming I saw was Jeremiah's second touchdown, the one
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: where as Pat McAfee said, he was quote unquote wide
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: ass open because Jeremiah stirred on the left side of
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: the field, off the ball or off the line, and
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: he ran this route and he just did this little
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: shimmy and he got the corner or he got the
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: safety all turned around and he broke with one way
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: and Jeremiah went the other way. And I mean at
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: that point, I'm like, uh oh, this is this is
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: a problem. This is a problem. But the Rose Bowl.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know how many people have been to the
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Rose Bowl. It is totally a bucket list venue. L
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: A and I'm from southern California is kind of a mess.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: But the Rose Bowl is amazing. So don't you know,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: if you ever have the opportunity, please just take it
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: from us. It is. It is incredible. I mean, even
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: on the beat, there are a lot of people who
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: disparage the Rose Bowl. I will not stand for that
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: type of slander.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: That's that's that's my absolute favorite place to watch a
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: football game in the whole white world. So yeah, that
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: was man. The first time I was there was in
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: my fresh muor at Ohio State when they went and
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: played Arizona State in a pretty good football game. That
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: was one of the only times it's been cloudy at
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Rose Bowl. But it was still a pretty good still
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: a pretty good game.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: So I was in Columbus, I was, I was working
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: the ABC affiliate, and they said, everybody except up the
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: guy from La tell on that truck.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: How glamorous is working in mediaf Well, he spent a
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: lot of time sitting at home and watching stuff on TV.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: As it turns out at the station. Yeah, that's some
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: worse you know, the worst thing. And we'll get into
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: some of the everybody talks about the wear and the
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: tear on the players playing all these games in a
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: short window. It got to us too. I mean, we
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: were all sick for the whole rut and everything else,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: and and uh we get we get well taken care of.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Oh poor media, free food, free boos and everything else.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: It's stuff. It's it's it's it's it is a lot
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: of work. I mean, but we do get taken care.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: But now to Dubas, to Dallas, Yes, and the snow.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we we got out of out of the
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Rose Bowl and a week later they had the wildfires
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: out there, which was crazy. And then we go to uh,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: we go to Dallas, and I don't think it would
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: be crazy to say that the forecast were like apocalyptic snow,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Like it was going to be thirteen inches of snow
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: in a place that never gets snow. So that was
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: you know, people they're talking about canceling the game and
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: you shut the city down for multiple days and then
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: ended up being like an eight and a half of
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: snow and it's fine, but it was. That was definitely
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: one of those It was kind of like we had that.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: And then when we got to Atlanta, it was seventeen
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: degrees in Atlanta and there's ice on the inside about
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: our windows in the hotel. It was like, I didn't
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: know they could do that.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, it was a stiff petech tree be like
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: the coutel there. The I was we were near the top.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: So so then you know, this is one of these
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: things that we had talked about on podcasts in the
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: middle of last year. We sort of looked at, Okay,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: go through pick you know whoever is top twenty five
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: and figure out, okay, what would the college football playoff
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: look like in this scenario and then walk through it.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: And one of the things we had looked at was, okay,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: if you know, if Ohio State could potentially end up
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: playing Oregon on the West Coast in the Rose Bowl,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: and then you could play Texas in tax at the
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Cotton Bowl, and then they could theoretically play Georgia in
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Georgia for the National Championship game. And it was like,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: that seems difficult. That seems difficult. So they played Oregon
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: on the West Coast and then they you know, Notre
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Dame took care of the Georgia problem, but they had
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: to play Texas in Texas. And that was you know,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: there were Ohio State fans are not out out peopled
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: out populated very often.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: But you know, if you haven't the terminent is outnumber
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: out numbered.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: There you go. I knew there was a number word,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: so say for that, but yeah, you go play Texas
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: in Texas. Guess what, there's a lot of Texas fans
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: in Texas, so it was kind of the same thing. Boy,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of you know here basically playing a
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: road game here and you're playing a pretty good team.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: And the Texas did something that I didn't think any
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Eddie would really really figure out how to do, and
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: that was make Jeremiah Smith not be able to do
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith. You know, we just say they need to
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: run the cool Jeremiah Smith play, you know, Jeremiah Smith
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: do something cool playing that felt like what Ohio sid
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: was doing in long stretches last year. And Texas made
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: that something they couldn't do, and then they kind of
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: had to, Okay, now now what now? Now? How can
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: how can you do it? And that was a really
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: really being mad at eighty two yard scoop a score. Yeah,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: well look at there, SI you no sports, I thought,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I thought, I mean, the first half it's seven seven,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: you know, Ohio State kind of dominated that first half,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: and then it was seven to seven, and it was like,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: oh boy, you know, you know what, You've watched those
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: games where it's like you you dominate the game and
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: you should be up ten seventeen points and you're tied
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: and it's like, oh boy, that's not a good sign.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: That screen passed. The Trey Van hennershon right before halftime
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: was one of the biggest players, and it kind of
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: gets lost because of the thing that happened later that
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: play gets I think that's one of the going to
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: go down as like a really underappreciated play in Ohio
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: state history, because you went from yeah, you're up seven,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: but it's okay, to okay, now Texas tied it. Now
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: you know, oh boy, now it's tied and you're going
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: into the second half. And but right before half time,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: that that little screen pass. If you watch go back
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: and watch watch the lineman out front of that blocking
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: that is I would call it enthusiastic blocking from the
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: lineman on that play, just going out there and it
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: was like blocking with smiles on their faces, like oh oh,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: we got them, like they John did.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: They don't have anybody to block, and he is still
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: just trying to block somebody because that's what it was.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: They act three guys out there in front of us.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you look, there's there's pictures of Travan
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Henderson not very far downfield, and you can already see
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: a Mecca Abuka in the backfield, like signaling touchdown, like
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: wait just behind them, like they knew very early that
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: they got it. And one thing that I think is
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: a little bit underappreciative about that and also played we
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: didn't talk about from the Rose Bowl, which was the
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: long touchdown run by Travan Henderson and the Rose Owl
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: that I think was the one who made it thirty
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: one nothing.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: I think that's right. I just watched him.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he is. He is is the fast Fravion Henderson
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: that you were promised that you never quite saw for
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: a couple of years because he was always banged up.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Because they had two running backs last year and they
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: split those carries between quin John Judkins and Travan Henderson.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: You saw fast Trayvon Henderson running up running against defenders
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: that were banged up, playing a lot more and so
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: you have a fresh running back who can just outrun
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: people like you keep. That's the fastest he's looked in
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: his career, and it was the end of his final
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: season at Ohio State. That's uh, you know. I think
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: that's one of those little underappreciated things that Quinn John
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Judkins had a big part in. Travon Henderson scoring those
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: two touchdowns even though he was I thinking on the
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: sideline for.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Both of them. Yeah, you you have like a great
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: outcome and sometimes you forget some of the building blocks
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: that got you to that great outcome. And that's just
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: huge nature. I mean, it's just how it is. And
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: I you know, I urge, you know, I don't think
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: that anybody here is going to be well, I saw it.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: I'm never gonna have to go back and watch it.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, you're good. It was. It was a great
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: run on both of like you know, the screen and
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: then the one in against Oregon. It was really just
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: having to beat one guy. I mean, and he was
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: like a linebacker in the in the Oregon game, he
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: just had to sit there and get He even had
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: a really good run against Tennessee as well too, going
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: towards the south end or whatever, but he just got
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: the linebacker to like lose his footing and when he
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: got out there against the secondary, nobody had an angle
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: against him. But now that Texas game, we know we're
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: sitting now at fourteen seven at half, and Texas by
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: you know, really did a good job of keeping Ohio
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: State in check. Will was throwing some darts. Early in
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: the game. He was throwing into really small windows. I
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: think the thing that people are going to forget about
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: the game is going.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: So that came.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Let me, let me take my thought that they all
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: run together after a while, it was. It was a
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: lot of football and a small window, if we're being honest.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: But so Texas marches down the field late I guess,
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: into the fourth quarter and ties it up. Oh that
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: was late three, and then Ohio State has prolonged drive
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: in the fort to get back up a touchdown. At
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: most bowl games they let the tom has a photo vest.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: He shoots all of our pictures. He does a great
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: job shooting all of our pictures. He's down there for
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: the entire game. Tony Gurdon and myself are upstairs. We're
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: having caviar and championship, you know. Beautiful girls are.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Feeding us grapes, I mean, and it's hot dogs in
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: host water for the photographers everywhere we go.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: We're too at about the five minute mark. It depends
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: on the game. In the stadium, we're allowed down on
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: the field, so we are down in the end zone
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: that Texas is driving too. Unfortunately, we're all in the
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: right corner. We're all on the other corner. So everything
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: is going for the quarterback. They're going everything is going
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: to the left, and we're on the we're on the right.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: I'm standing next to some big Texas fans and I'm
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: looking I'm like, I'm like, can you believe this? Blank?
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: And they're like, this is like the greatest game I've
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: ever seen. I'm like, I don't think it's going to be.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: And that that fourth that that that that goal I
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: drive takes me back to the Penn State game when
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Ohio State was able to absolutely stone Penn State trying
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: to go in Tyler Ward and gets them all the
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: way pretty much, you know, inside the five, inside the three,
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: and they can't do anything. And again for plays that
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: we're not talking about, would be that second down play
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: to where they try to take it to the outside
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: and Caleb Downs comes in and he forces the runner
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: outside and then that's where Lathan Ransom and I gb
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: it know, and that turns it from second in goal
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: from like the one to like second and goal from
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: the beatings. So then on third down there's the tip pass.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: That's fine. Then we get to fourth down and the
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Jackson play as I'm gonna ask you guys this, do
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: you think as a player you need your coach pointing
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: in the direction no run this way or whatever. If
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: you watch the video of Ryan Day this pumping and
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: going this way, this way, this why I know we
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: have a history it football of you know, wrong way whatever,
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: going in the wrong direction. But that was one of
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: the like everybody was kind of confused because again we
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: were in the wrong corner and we're watching this going on,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: and I like suddenly kind of see Jack break out
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: of the pack. I look over, I see I see
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Caleb Downs in the end zone. I think everybody's seen
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: the pictures of Kleem downs, you know, just you know,
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: going to his knees and everything else. It was. I've
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: seen some I've seen some crazy plays. I've seen some
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: crazy plays. I've been at Penn State when uh, when
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: the running back got pushed back into Hackenberger and they
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: won in double overtime. I've been and at Penn Stay
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: for that Benjamin Victor touchdown, the slowest touchdown I've ever
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: seen outside of outside of JT. Barrett going eighty some
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: yards at Minnesota, which I was there for that one too.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Basically I'd been at all of them, but it was
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: one of those moments. At that point, I had already
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: started writing my national championship story in my mind. I'm like, well,
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: this is a team of destinying. This is a team
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: of destiny. Yeah.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: And I was on the other end of the field
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: when you're as he said, I'm on the field for
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: all the games. And when you're shooting covering one team,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: you shoot with that team coming towards you. So you
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: stay in one end zone for the whole quarter, and
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: then when they switch sides to the field to go
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: to the other inside. So because that way, you get
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: the faces are coming towards you, and so you get
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: the offense coming towards you. And then in the unlikely
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: event that the defense forces a turnover, for example, you
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: have the person running towards you, which is when you
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: get your good photos. And so Jack Sawyer picked it
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: up and ran and ran basically straight towards me. I
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: don't do we have Can you put other stuff up
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: on the screen. I can send you the photo that
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I have from there. Yeah, yeah, oh, I have it
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: on my phone.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: He's taking a picture of three in his career.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that was. That was one of the most
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: gotta fine throat fight through all the pictures of my
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: kids hockey on bear you have you. That is one
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: of those true bias cluttering. Okay, that is one of
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: the most instantly like you just like instantly, you know,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: this is a everyone's going to remember where they were when, right,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Holy buck eye, I remember where I was. I was
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: in the sports apartment the TV station because they didn't
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: get to go to the game, and I was watching
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: on TV the Miami National Championship game and the twenty
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: fourteen Big Ten champions I mean, like all these like
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: iconic plays, iconic moments, a kind of games. You know
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: where you were? That was one where he hadn't even scored.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: And you're already thinking through the kid from Pickerington, suburban
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Columbus who came to you know, came to Ohio State,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: could have gone anywhere, came to Ohio State and anyway,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: was the guy who at the end of the Michigan
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: game had the interception.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Nobody will remember that.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: No one said, you remember Embraa jacksoner having an interception
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: in the end zone to save save the Michigan game.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: And then the offense went three and out and so
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: no one, no one remembers that, but it was it was, uh,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: here's hexas Choosels. It was one of the you know,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: the hometown kid who should have had the game saving
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: hero play in the Michigan game get denied it. And
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: then was the one when they're trying to plant the
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: flag that took exception we'll say to that. And it
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: was just kind of it was like he kind of
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: got denied his moment in the Michigan game, and it
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: was like, boy, he could have had one of the
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: great iconic clays in Ohio State history. That's really too
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: bad he missed his opportunity to do that. And then
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: he's running down the field and and uh, you know
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: when you know, saving the day and and he you know,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: the strip sack was against the guy he was roommates
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: with at Ohio State. I mean, it's just it's it's
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: there were so many great pieces of that for him.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Holy k, that.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Only works that people remember when you were an ill deal.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I do, But it was that was that was one
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: of the most as it's happening, you you know this,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: everyone's gonna remember this moment, this play, and to Kevin's point,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: it was like, oh, yeah, they're winning the national championship,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: like Notre Dames. Notre Dame is not gonna Notre Dame
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: is a good team, but Notre Dame's not gonna be able.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: And we walked we're in the media room again or
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: media I mean, yeah, we have massage chairs and a
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: pull bar, the fetus three meal the day and everything else,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: and we're and and that was the night of the
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: media party, so I mean they took us out all
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: these balls. I mean it's rough.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Uh the host water was cold that night for the photographers.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: The hot dogs were worn now, but was night Well.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say we we let them in the hotel,
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: but uh, yeah, it was. It was like, yeah, you
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: watch Notre Dame kind of struggle with Penn State, Drew
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Alar went full of Drew al Ura in the game
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: through that that bad pick late. I'm like, there's just
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: there's just no way and we'll get into the Notre
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: Dame game here in a second. There's just no way
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: that they're hanging with these dudes.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: And yeah, well and for and for a while that
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: was true. Yeah, then well remember Notre Dame.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: You know, I guess jump ahead had that long drive
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: like ten minutes, like a ten minute drive. But you know,
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: it reminded me of the fourteen championship game against Oregon
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: because Oregon marched down the field well march. I mean,
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: it was not nearly as long as a drive. But
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: the thing that came out afterwards is that they said,
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: don't worry if Oregon scores on the first drive, and
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: especially if it's a prolonged drive. They that's not who
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: they are. They're not going to be able to do that.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: And Riley Leonard was not. Riley Leonard had like nine
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: runs in that drive. That's not Riley Leonard's game. He
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: was not going to be able to to carry that out.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: But what he says not going to be able to
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: carry that out, he means he was going to be
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: medically dead by the end of the second quarter if
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: they kept running him.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: That well, he like went with the sidelines and threw up.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean it's like me walking to the car.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just not it's just not it's not good.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: But yeah, and then once you once you kind of
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: got through that, and then they then that stopped working
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: and they couldn't do that anymore, and then it was
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: kind of apparent that they didn't really have much of
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: an answer, and then Ohio State just kind of out
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: talented him. And that's that's like.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: The first Jeremiah, the first touchdown, the Jeremiah like on
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: the orbit most Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: was just you knew. Chip Kelly was probably laughing up
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: in the booth when he sat there and like, and
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: you remember, the defender is just like losing his mind.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: He's like, oh, look, look, look, and they snapped the
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: ball or whatever and he gets sucked into the into
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: the mess or whatever. And Jeremiah comes back like he's
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: going to run like a reverse or something, and then
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: turns back around and he just walks in and he's
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: just saying piece to everybody. Is he goes then, do
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: you guys remember what?
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Do you guys know what he did to set that up?
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Do you know why that defender was going crazy before that?
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: You normally stand with your foot he has one foot forward.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: What okay? He changed he changed his stands and it
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: was I think he normally would have his left foot forward,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: and so he just changed his right foot forward and
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: the defenders go on, what's he doing? He's not going
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: to be running this way. He's changing for a reason.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: He's going to be doing something. So he changed it
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: to set up the fact that he and then he
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: did what the guy thought he was going to do.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: He starts running towards the backfield and then so then
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: the defender's running around because he's going, I know what's
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: gonna happen. Aha, ah, I'm the smart guy, Notre Dame education. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: And then Jeremiah Smith pivots goes wide open, dochhdown. So
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: so yeah, that was that was one of those little
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: but that's that's the little stuff that when you're talking
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: about Brian Hartline developing wide receivers or Jeremiah Smith, you know,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: the little stuff that separates changing your foot that was touchdown.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: That's what set that playoff, which is crazy, but that's
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: that's what set that playoff.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: And I want to not to go back to the
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: sad days or anything like that. We'll get back to
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: the championship game two eleven, two thousand and eleven. That's
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: exactly where I'm going. Ohio State's leading receiver had fourteen
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: receptions that year, and there were three players that had
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: fourteen receptions that led the team that compted urban Meyer
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: to call the receiver room quote unquote, that clown shown.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: That that was the year that they beat Illinois a
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: win win on the road, seventeen to seven by completing
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: how many passes? Well guesses how many passes did they
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: complete in a win on the road?
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Were you They tempted free passes? Oh my goodness, got
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: one completed pass It was for a touchdown, which is
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: getting your money's worth. But yes, that was twenty eleven,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: not that long ago.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: That was also the year not a passing note or whatever,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: that they beat Wisconson when Brax did ran up to
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage and hit was a Devin Smith
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: in the back of the end zone and they had
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: to review it because they had baby gone across the
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. Somehow they won six games that year. Yeah,
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: I mean I think that we all remember the Luke
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Fickle interim year as being bad and whatever they they
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: sent the team the price are won like three games.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, couldn't have lost to Akron that year, like
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: legitimately could have lost to Agron that year. No, Toledo,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: it was Toledo that they almost lost.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know all those.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Mens anyway, So enough about the good old days of
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: twenty eleven.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Back to the National Championship and you need to show
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: the bad to highlight the goods sometimes.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: So back to the National Championship game.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: So, you know, they get out to this lead, and
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: I'm looking on Twitter again up in the press box
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: being wined and dined, and people are like, this is
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: going to end up like sixty three to three or
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: sixty three to seven or whatever. I'm like, we wait,
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: you know, things happen. Everybody makes a run. This isn't
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: necessarily college basketball, but everybody makes a run. Oh we
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: almost had your photo up there. So they get to
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: the point of where Notre Dame starts to have its
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: come back. Notre Dame's down twenty four, and I lean
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: over to the person next to me. I'm like, that's
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: an eight and a and eight. I mean, I don't
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: know if anybody here plays poker, but that's like a
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: half hour. That's not even a one hour. That's like
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: a half founder. You you're not You're not hitting that.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: And then stuff starts to happen in Ohio State's kind
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: of taking its foot off the off the accelerator and
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: then did a booka really fumble it? Did he not
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: fumble it?
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, yeah, all right, so we'll go
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: back to this. That's that's yeah. Oh so my favorite
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: part about this is all the other people in here, like,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: take a second and just look at well Carlos Lachlan
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: making sure he knows which way he's going.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, shin with this, Ryan Day losing his butt.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna sure you're my absolute favorite person in this
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: whole photo. And I spent a lot of time looking
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: at this.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: That's a guy, mister er right there.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: See the guy, See the guy with the football, the
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: guy just holding the football on the sideline. Yeah, yeah,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: you see what he's done with the football. Has he
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: dropped it near the field out of excitement where you
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: could maybe get a penalty if a referee runs it
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: to it. He sure has. That is You can't actually
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: see the stain in the back of his pants, but
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I assure you in is there. He is worried he
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: is going to screw up one of the most conic
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: moments in Ohio state football history. So he didn't. Uh
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: so anyway, So they lived happily. Ever, out whereas Texas.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Uh Texas is.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: There's still I was gonna say they had along the
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: sideline they had a lineman chasing and then there was
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: like a there was a dB like twenty six was
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: trying to come in. But Cody Simon did a really
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: good job of just kind of doing one of these things,
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: you know or whatever, like.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: They disgreg the NYE and full surrender foot bro yep, yeah, yeah,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: one goal like what they are.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: And if you and you can, you can just pick
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: out people in the stands. I mean it's you can
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: sit there and look at that all day. And there's
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: just the good is every everyone is having big emotions
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: one direction or another right there.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: The fix is it? I mean, And the thing is
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: I I like to pretend like I can shoot photos.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: I just it's called uh spray and pray. I just
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: if I take enough shots, one might work. But you know,
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Tom can can actually tell a story through these things.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: I might get lucky occasionally or whatever. And I love
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: spending time after a big game because there are things. Again,
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: I'm not in that corner. I'm in that corner, so
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: I don't see this going on. I didn't get this.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: We got back to our hotel room. And by the
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: time we were like done with everything, ESPN was rebroadcasting
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: the game at like four in the morning and opening
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: time four Central, and I'm like, well, now again, finally
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: see what happened in the game I was at Because
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: you don't necessarily get a good vantage point or anything
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: like that when you're there.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and and you know, it's like, it's amazing.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: People ask, what's what's it like to watch a game
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: on the field. Occasionally you'll get that we're a lot
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: of times to get left, but a lot too. A
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: lot of times there's a ref standing in the way,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: or it's on the other side of the field. There
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: was the Rose Bowl in twenty twenty, the twenty twenty
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: one season, twenty twenty two Rose Bowl as a Washington
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: one wouldn't know the no, the Utah one. Wha Jackson's
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: smide a jigbit set the world on fire. He had
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: that crazy over the shoulder catch and I have an
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: incredible shot of him. I'm across the field, but I
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: have him, he's ready to catch it, and then a
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: network photographer. The next shot is the back of a
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: network TV photographer who has stepped out in front of me.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want to let you know that tom
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: Or is borrowing one of my lenses.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: So it's basically so basically this is basically I need
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: a Kevin. Kevin's the Kevin's the hero of this story.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Definitely, really, Kevin was the one dull enough. Don't ask
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: if you if you're not into photography, don't ask how
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: much the equipment costs, because it's ridiculous.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: You can tell you that to a miss up.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: Better be a couple and not from him. So anyway, so.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: The National Championship game, which obviously you guys just don't
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: want to hear a pant they they're up, they had
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: what was it it was three touchdowns and eight yeah,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: eight yeah, they're up twenty yeah, and then Notre Dames
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: goes down and scores a touchdown and Ohio State has
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: a quick possession record. Was that the one though?
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: That was?
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: That was the one where they had the fumble the
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Buka fund.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you go back and look look at Ohio
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: State's drives in that game, Notre Dame doesn't actually stop them.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Ohio State has they go all the way down in
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: the red zone and fumble and Notre Dame's defense never
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: really got off the field. They had you know, yes
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: they got off the field, but they didn't you know,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like, oh they had a bunch of three
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: and out. It's Ohio State. Just it was a lot
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: like the yeah, twenty fourteen National Championship game where Ohio
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: State completely dominated the game and turned it over four Well,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: he turned it over four times, and you look at
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: its twenty one twenty Ohio State in the third quarter.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: Like what I touched to Tom Herman after that game.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: He'd already accepted the Houston job. Everything else. I'm like,
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: how do you win a game like this and turn
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: it over four times? Like I'm not gonna argue it that,
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: I'm not even gonna argue.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: But then yeah, but then it got a little old
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: nerve wracking and uh waiting because it sits there and
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: they get it to age. Yeah, and you know, and
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: they missed that field goal. They took the real chicken
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: way out and you had to kick that field goal
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: and doink. And that's like one of the loudest.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: Doink that was.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: That was a loud client off that off that goalpost.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know there are a lot of hockey fans,
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: a lot of Caps fans around here or whatever, and
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: you know when you draw iron and hockey or whatever,
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: but this thing was like ten times, you know, ten
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: times at Yeah.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: So then obviously gets the ball back and it's like, okay,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: are they going to be able to you know, what?
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Can they do? What they did against Penn State where
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: they had that goal line stand and what did they do?
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: They get the ball and they just run it and
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: they run it and they run it and they just
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: run it down Penn State's throat and they killed the clock.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: So can they do that? They run it nothing, They
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: run it nothing. It's third and eleven.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: You do. It's like, well, there's a certain receiver that
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: had had a reception the entire half m And if
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: you go back and you watch, I'm sure everybody here
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: has watched, like the whatever, like the thirty minute video
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: that Ohio State put out of the championship run with
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: all of the behind the scenes and like a bukasi,
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: you know, buka and everybody's like around the tablet. It's
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: like you sit there and you see this and the
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: guy's cheating you this way or whatever. It's there. Apparently
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: Ryan and Chip listened because they did exactly what was
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: being discussed there. Now you talked to Ryan, he talks about, well,
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: we had, you know, if that wasn't there, we had
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: this option here, and we had that option there. Well,
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: a lot of stuff wasn't necessarily working in the second half.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: And it's not that Will was inaccurate. It's not that
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: people were not playing particularly well. Notre Dame was playing
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: you know, no, no, no, it was secondary is pretty good.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: It's pretty good. So Will drops back and it's like,
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: oh boy, here we go, and I'm gonna take us
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: back to the fourteen championship game and it was high
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: leverage moment, but not nearly as high leverage. Remember when
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: they ran that nine route. I don't even remember who
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: ran it. They were up and touchdown and on first
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: they could have sat there and ran it three downs
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: and basically taken all the time off the clock. But
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: they ran that nine down the sideline and if they
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: would have hit that, that would have been the end
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: of the game at that point, and they didn't end
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: up hitting it. I don't do people know to nine
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: route is a nine is just just run, just run
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: straight through the Sorry I played way too much College
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: Football Online.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, so.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: Jeremiah goes out there. I'm like, oh my god, they're
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: gonna hit them. They're gonna hit them, and they and
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: they and they hit them at that point, and we knew,
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: we knew. At that point, it's like, all right, they
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: mathematically cannot run the clock out. It all comes down
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: to Jaden Fielding really putting this away. We have the
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: opportunity to talk to Jayden this week?
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Now, can we have the show of hands?
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Who had extraordinary faith to Jayden Fielding was absolutely had
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: to make that field gold hands. Wow, everyone in the room, Wow,
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent faith. That's great. But but the biggest
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: kick of his career, I mean biggest kick of his life.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if it was directly down the middle,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: but it was pretty close directly.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: I said, it hug the post for a little while
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: and then it drifted the center.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was straight enough down the middle.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: And then at that point you know that that then
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: then the game's over. I mean, it's it's time to
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: let's party, Columbus.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: And that was the one game we werenked down there
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: worth five minutes to go. We were held for five
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: minutes after the game ended. Now Tom was okay because
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: he had a photovesk, but the rest of us were
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: losing our minds. Yeah, I mean because I mean those
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: first couple of minutes thought, the emotions are the most raw.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: That's all the stuff you want to be able to get,
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: and there's some great photos of that. But we were
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: not able to be down there and we had to
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: collect Yeah, confect, confect.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that's Jeremiah catching the catching that third and
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: eleven pass right there. Well visually, but you know, if
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: we could plan this, if we had shown any any
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: foresight to plan this out, we could have put together
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: a nice slide show. That's all right. Doing about the
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: fly is fun. We like we love to call audible.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I was gonna say, when we've stuck at the
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: Atlanta Alumni chapter, I mean we're we're generally brought in between,
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: like between like brutus and the cheerleaders and like uh
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: like you know Jeff Green or something like that. You know,
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: it's like you got seven you get yeah, you got
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: seven minutes?
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yet so yeah, so they they win the
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: national championship. You know, I don't know, did anyone ask
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Ryan day after the game. I remember, like the twenty
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: nineteen Mission game. I think it was Tony Gerduk, who
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: we've worked with, asked Ryan Day, what are you seeling
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: right now? Joy or release? And it was I think
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: it was maybe maybe a little of both, but a
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: little more relief. I do wonder.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: Now what he probably wasn't relieved as they nearly killed
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: him in.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: The golf cart. Yeah, we'll get there, We'll get to
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: the golf cart and yeah, but that that was, you know,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: he was not having a great time in late November
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: early December. People in times Yeah, and but he I mean,
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: you think you look back now, and it's very easy
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: to say, oh, geez, they could have won the national
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: championship in twenty nineteen if they just don't have Chris
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: lave break office route in the in the Fiesta.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Bowl and should beat Georgia.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, I mean the they if Barvin Harrison
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: doesn't get can cussed in the Peach Bowl. I mean,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: you beat Georgia, You beat Georgia. You you know, yeah,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: that's that's it. I mean, even uh, you know twenty twenty,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: if you're playing under the same COVID rules as the
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: SEC in twenty twenty.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know, he's still think that was a really
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: good outlem or or.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: If Trey Sermon doesn't break his collar bone on the
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: second carrow, you know. I mean there's a lot of
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: you don't have to win them all, you know, or
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: tough Borland is a four four yeah, well, or if
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: you don't put tough Porland in that spot. Either way.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: They but it was they they you know, he's he's
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: a lot closer to have won multiple national championships than
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: not so always, you know, and now it's very easy
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: to look back on it and go, oh yeah, this
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: guy's almost want to and as opposed to before when
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: it's like, why can't this guy win a national championship?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: So congratulations, now you've done it.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: And he was.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: He talked about it not long after, might have even
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: been the morning after. They do they do they do
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: a champions press conference. I have photos of that. It's
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: not as exciting, but they do a champions press conference.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: And it was like Cody Simon and Will Howard and
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Ryan Day in the in the hotel, the media hotel,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: which after guys have been up all night celebrating this
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: is we are exactly the faces they want to see
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: at like eight thirty in the morning, we all fights,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: which yeah, but but Ryan Day was asked. You know,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: you hear these names, Paul Brown, Woody Hayes, Jim Tressel,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Urban Meyer, Ryan Day, national championship winning coach so Ohio State.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: End of list, Like that's pretty good company. Yeah, and
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: right now, Kirby Smart, Dabo Sweeney, Ryan Day end of
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: list actors active national championship winning head coaches in college football.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: That's it, which is crazy, but but now that's the
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: company he's in. So you know, and you know, we
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: were talking to David a little bit before it. Ryan
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: Day is the most normal human being of any football
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: coach you will ever meet. Like it is a lot
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: of you know, there are a lot more coaches that
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: lean in the Jim Carblag direction, we'll say, personality wise
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: than the Ryan Day direction. And you know, right when, right,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Ryan Day got to Ohios dight in twenty seventeen as
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: the quarterbacks coach and nobody knew who he was. And
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: you know, eight years later, he's here, we are here
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: he is and you know, I think that's I think,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: you know, Geene Smith deserves a.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: Lot of credit for.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Putting h putting his putting his faith in a first time.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: There were a lot of people that were like, I mean, okay,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: you're making an internal hire. But Ryan Day, is that
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: is that the guy you want to do? I mean,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: Larry Johnson's been coaching for a million years. I mean
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: you got this guy, you got that guy. Why why
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: are you putting your faith there? And you know many
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: times they did the video with them handing over the
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: like the PlayStation control. Yeah, that was used. That was weaponized.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: That was weaponized by people that they're I'm not going
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: to say today that there are a lot of detractors.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: There's still a couple of loss aves, but there were
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: you know, the prior to the National Championship, there were
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: a lot of people weaponizing that, using that as you know,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: game over, they.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Just devil He said, oh yeah, yep.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: But you know, I guess just to finish ours. We
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: when we were done traveling with all that, I got
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: home was diagnosed with pneumonia from running around and dealing
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: with everything. Everybody was sick. On the beat, We're all
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: like we can't just don't breathe on the players. I
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: mean they're like like when you cover the team or whatever.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: You got to be a big fan. I'm a big
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: fan of success. I'm a big I like these kids.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: I think these are really good kids. I want to
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: see them do well. I'm not going to put on
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: the pom poms and the and the onesie and everything else.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: You don't want to see that sailor suit, lollipop. Yes,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: I'm a nine years I'm yes, I'm not doing any
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: of that. But I want to see these kids have success.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: And selfishly it's good for business too. But it was.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: It was a lot. I mean, if anybody has the
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: opportunity to do like four wow sub traveling or whatever,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: you're gonna it it, it was. It was difficult, yeah,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: it was.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: It was also a lot of fun.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: That was.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: That was one of the most remarkable stretches i've of football.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: I mean that that was a team that anytime before
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: literally this past season there you know this this season
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: ends with Walston, Michigan and they go play a meaningless
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: bowl game and everyone opts out and the story is
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: this team.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: Is it's Missouri again?
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know it was. It was right right team,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: right place, right time.