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Jayson Stark joins FT + the latest report on Juan Soto & Francisco Lindor clearing the air · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Beef, so Freddie Parolta leaves, and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: another story comes out about him calling a meeting to
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Speaker 1: try and clear the air with Sodo and Lindor. It's
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Speaker 1: the story that doesn't go away, but it's also a
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Speaker 1: story that got absolutely shattered to pieces when Mike Puma
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Speaker 1: put it out last offseason and people were like, how
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Speaker 1: dare he?
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Speaker 2: He's so wrong? He was so right, He was so right.
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Speaker 2: But Freddie p was trying to bring a little bit
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Speaker 2: of peace here. Aj and I know this is off
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Speaker 2: the field stuff and you don't have to be best.
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Speaker 1: Friends, and we've talked about this a lot, but Freddy
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Speaker 1: Parolta bringing a meeting together makes things a little bit interesting.
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Speaker 1: Castillo helping us out a little bit with this tweet.
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Speaker 1: He said on the field his tenure was disappointing. Off it,
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Speaker 1: he made a major contribution to arrange that meeting between
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Speaker 1: Lindor and Juan Soto. Soda doesn't really want to talk
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Speaker 1: about it.
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Speaker 2: I think.
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Speaker 3: No, I love it. By the way, doesn't mats starting now?
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Speaker 3: Just fycratch, the game is now just he's on right
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Speaker 3: now in the first so I.
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Speaker 4: Start talking about it.
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Speaker 3: It happens it happens to all of us. It's all good.
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Speaker 3: It's all good. So God makes bets all the time
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Speaker 3: that we have to change, so it's all good. I
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Speaker 3: mess up all.
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Speaker 2: One time, all year.
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Speaker 3: Okay, it's all good. It's all good. We all make mistakes.
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Speaker 3: But uh, I love this that Freddie per Alta was
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Speaker 3: the kind of the mediator in this whole thing that
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Speaker 3: again everyone said wasn't true. But if you talk to
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Speaker 3: people around the Mets organization. Now I'm not talking about
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Speaker 3: people in the organization, but you talk to enough for
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Speaker 3: the media people, they'll say there was something there now
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Speaker 3: hasn't improved this year. Absolutely was it because of Freddie Peralta.
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Speaker 3: It seems like he was a piece of it. So
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Speaker 3: that's good for the Mets going forward. You know, Freddy's
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Speaker 3: Freddy has always been one of the best guys. He's
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Speaker 3: always got a great smile, He's always happy to see you.
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Speaker 3: So it does not surprise me that Freddy Peralta would
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Speaker 3: be in the middle of this trying to make peace
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Speaker 3: because he just seems like a good guy who wants
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Speaker 3: good vibes and wants a good club to work.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm interested to why Juan Soto didn't want to
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Speaker 4: comment about it, or did he say it didn't happen
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Speaker 4: or I'm not exactly sure what his quotes were. But
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Speaker 4: they're there together for a long time. Lindor and Juan
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Speaker 4: Soto need to get together. They need to get along better.
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Speaker 4: In my opinion, I get it, you know, wins make
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Speaker 4: everybody feel a lot better. But there's also a thing
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Speaker 4: of like how much does this affect winning or how
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Speaker 4: much does it affect you just want the best out
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Speaker 4: of your two best players in my opinion.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And in this story from Castillo, who is citing sources,
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Speaker 1: and at this point we should trust the sources because
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Speaker 1: many people have reported on this thing. He said the
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Speaker 1: relationship has been noticeably warmer. There's more interaction between the two.
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Speaker 1: But he said that there were attentions lingering heading into
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Speaker 1: the second season, and that's where earlier this year, Peralta
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Speaker 1: set a meeting. The meeting was in June. It's not
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Speaker 1: like the meetings in like March or April. Like we're
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Speaker 1: talking June, when the Mets had already collapsed too. And
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Speaker 1: then I was alluding to this. I'll give you more
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Speaker 1: details now a j I'll give you two quotes, one
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Speaker 1: from Lindor, one from Sodo on the meeting. Here's Lindor first.
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Speaker 1: It was more of a conversation like we always have
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Speaker 1: with our group of Latinos. But I don't want to
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Speaker 1: comment on the details. Okay, so they had it, doesn't
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Speaker 1: want to go over it. I respect that Soda quote.
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Speaker 1: There was no meeting, no discussion. This year has been better.
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Speaker 1: We've gotten along very well. We've learned from each other.
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Speaker 1: Are they on the same page if one there's a
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Speaker 1: meeting and one doesn't or he just I mean, I
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Speaker 1: know that he doesn't want to talk about it, but
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Speaker 1: denying it is a little bit interesting, Like it it
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Speaker 1: definitely happened, and you've got a teammates saying it happened,
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Speaker 1: But then you didn't say it happened, So shouldn't you
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Speaker 1: just be like, hey, let's just say it happened. Like
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Speaker 1: what are we going to say if this comes out?
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Speaker 1: We said it happened, And I liked the Lindor's line
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Speaker 1: about it.
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Speaker 3: Lindor handled this perfectly. Soto just I think this was
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Speaker 3: an old Sodo. You know what a easy way to
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Speaker 3: shut this down. Maybe Soto talked first before Lindor. I
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Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know how it worked. Maybe they
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Speaker 3: went to Sodo first. Sodo said it didn't happen, and
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Speaker 3: then Lindor said it did happen. So again, I don't
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Speaker 3: know all the semantics and all the little details about this.
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Speaker 3: So look, they're handled it. Their relationship is better. Isn't
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Speaker 3: that what Mets fans want? They want Soto and Lindor
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Speaker 3: to just can't we all just get along and just
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Speaker 3: give each other a big hug? Wasn't an opening day
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Speaker 3: where they barely when they grew introduced and they barely
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Speaker 3: spoke to each other at home plate where everyone else
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Speaker 3: was giving each other hugs and it was like, hey,
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Speaker 3: what's up, buddy?
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Speaker 4: It was I forgot about that. I don't know. It
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Speaker 4: just means maybe one person. It's all speculation. Maybe Wan
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Speaker 4: wasn't as pleased with the conversation. Maybe he still doesn't
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Speaker 4: like whatever it is about Lindor they doesn't like. Who
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Speaker 4: knows gives us something to talk about. Otherwise we're not
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Speaker 4: talking about the Mets because they've been out of it
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Speaker 4: since second series.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, then is the air really clear or is
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Speaker 1: it more like the air a few weeks ago when
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Speaker 1: we had the wildfire air in New York from Canada.
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Speaker 2: That was some ugly air.
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Speaker 3: It's better better than it was the air or the
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Speaker 3: relationship both both because I was there for New York
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Speaker 3: and it was not good air.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well we'll see what happens. Did you see uh
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Speaker 1: Keith r Nandez had to apologize. He was a little
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Speaker 1: harsh on the trade and all the trades that were
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Speaker 1: being made. You guys didn't see that. He's just like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: he said, He's like, they're definitely shuffled, brought in the
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Speaker 1: truck and took out all the garbage talking about the
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Speaker 1: Mets fire cell like he was trying to do a
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Speaker 1: little play on words, and then he had to apologize, say,
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Speaker 1: I said, got out the garbage portraits sports.
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Speaker 2: Can't believe they came out of my mouth. Apologies.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like he's done this a few
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Speaker 3: times this year, last couple of years, where he said
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Speaker 3: things and then immediately apologizes for it. Basically, he called
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Speaker 3: Clay Holmes garbage, Freddy Parolta garbage, anyone that Mets traded
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Speaker 3: away is garbage. Basically what he said.
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Speaker 1: I've worked with him and he tries to do the
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Speaker 1: play on words, and he's a funny guy, and I
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Speaker 1: just think he was doing that. I don't know all
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Speaker 1: the context, but if he had then gone down and
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Speaker 1: said this guy was trash, this guy was trash, then
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Speaker 1: he means it. And he has done that stuff before,
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Speaker 1: not those exact words, but he has really ripped particular players.
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Speaker 1: I think he was just having fun with like, oh
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Speaker 1: it's fire sale, Yeah, we got the trash out.
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Speaker 3: Never nice. Never nice as as a player to hear
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Speaker 3: your your local announcer call you garbage, I don't care. Wow,
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Speaker 3: he meant it. I'm sorry. It's just just not something. Again,
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Speaker 3: it's not something that should be said. I'm sorry. That's
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Speaker 3: just my opinion. I mean, I would be super pissed
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Speaker 3: if I played for the Mets and I was one
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Speaker 3: of the guys who got traded and Keith Nada is
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Speaker 3: calling me garbage after I walked out the door. Again,
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Speaker 3: I don't know how he meant it, but I don't
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Speaker 3: know how there's a way he could mean it any
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Speaker 3: other way, playing on words or not.
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Speaker 4: I think being on the team every day, or being
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Speaker 4: with the team on the radio or TV, you say
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Speaker 4: things if you never show up in the clubhouse. I
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Speaker 4: think things are taking a little bit differently than if
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Speaker 4: you show up in the clubhouse the next day, whether
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Speaker 4: they want to talk to you or not, you show up,
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Speaker 4: and I think it's you know, it's a little bit
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Speaker 4: different when you're on another team, if you're Clay Homes,
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Speaker 4: you're in Chicago. Yeah, I get it. You're supposed to
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Speaker 4: put behind you whatever happened in New York, but you
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Speaker 4: still hear it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, one more Mets quote, and then I want to
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Speaker 1: swing it to the team that they were playing the
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Speaker 1: more relevant team right now, the Guardians. Kuld I Sanga
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Speaker 1: told officials that he wants to start consistently. Are told yeah,
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Speaker 1: Mets officials. But the quote that he gave to the
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Speaker 1: media was the team could just tell me, hey, dude,
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Speaker 1: look at your stats, and I don't have anything to
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Speaker 1: say back to them.
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Speaker 3: Yeahpecially honestly, it's basically what they're saying to him. Wh
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Speaker 3: they have him in the bull.
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm, okay.
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Speaker 4: Other side, it's like a it's like a rap battle.
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Speaker 4: When you make fun of yourself, you can't like nobody
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Speaker 4: can really say anything back to you, like, hey, you're right.
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Speaker 4: Of course he wants to start. Of course he wants
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Speaker 4: to start. There's no no starter. That's like, I'd rather
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Speaker 4: be in the bullpen. It's much better life than the bullpen.
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Speaker 1: No, he cares. It's been in the miners working on it.
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Speaker 1: It's just you know, it's he's forward now. It fell
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Speaker 1: apart fast, Yeah, did he? Man, he would looked good
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Speaker 1: in the beginning of that contracts.
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Speaker 4: That trick pick in city field. See, I mean, if
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Speaker 4: David Starns is listening, you find somebody with a trick pitch.
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Speaker 4: Some years the wind is blowing the right way. Look
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Speaker 4: at what a a dicky did. There's a trick pitch.
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Speaker 4: It's a gimmick pitch. His fork all thing, ghost fork,
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Speaker 4: there's a gimmick pitch. It worked really really well, and
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Speaker 4: I get it. He hasn't stayed healthy. It was a calf.
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Speaker 4: It was a it was a thing. It was another thing.
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Speaker 4: But man, he was so nasty. He was He was
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Speaker 4: looking like it was that contract was going to be
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Speaker 4: a steal because he was so nah And he was
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Speaker 4: even nastier than his season numbers at home that year.
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Speaker 4: And you know what, the prevailing wind changed whatever it is.
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Speaker 1: All right, other side, good back and forth game they
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Speaker 1: had with the guardians, did you guys see uh on
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Speaker 1: hell henow.
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Speaker 4: One of the top.
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Speaker 2: Prospects in the sport. He's a top twenty on almost
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Speaker 2: every list. Four for four, that's a good debut.
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Speaker 3: Well, and then he had a chance in the last
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Speaker 3: time and didn't get a hit. So guardians are struggling
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Speaker 3: right No, right for struggling Guardian. Guardians are struggling right now.
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Speaker 3: They're they're they're losing again. Today Foster Griffin started and
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Speaker 3: he didn't have a great start. So Guardians are struggling
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Speaker 3: right now. The White Sox aren't playing very well, but
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Speaker 3: the Guardians are playing worse. So it's making the White
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Speaker 3: Sox still feel like they're in first place because they are.
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Speaker 4: Wonderfu Hoose Ramirez is one hundred percent healthy. I don't
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Speaker 4: you know, you come back from an injury, you'd think, okay,
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Speaker 4: now they're gonna now, they're gonna roll. They've actually been
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Speaker 4: worse since he's been back. I'm not saying it's his fault.
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Speaker 4: I'm saying, you know, but hey, this is what the
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Speaker 4: Guardians do. They call down to Columbus and they're like,
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Speaker 4: who's the hottest hitter in Columbus? Call them up and
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Speaker 4: they seem to do well. They just plug guys in.
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Speaker 4: Is Joe Addell gonna give them seven home runs down
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Speaker 4: the rest of the season here? I think the fences
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Speaker 4: are a little too high for him to rob all
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Speaker 4: the home runs that he robbed. But like, there's there's
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Speaker 4: value there, But is it gonna be able to be
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Speaker 4: able to be enough to push this team across not
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Speaker 4: just the finish line, but playoff line and then do
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Speaker 4: some damage with that bullpen in the postseason?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? There you go five to two in that one. Wow.
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Speaker 2: A little live update with Foster.
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Speaker 1: Griffin not having it in his Guardian's debut gone up
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Speaker 1: against Nolan McLean. Jason Stark joining us from the Athletic
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Speaker 1: and many other spots. Jason, great to have you back
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Speaker 1: on here. We appreciate the time and awesome, awesome story
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Speaker 1: and insight on the conversation with Dave Dombrowski.
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Speaker 2: I got right to biz here. So how did this
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Speaker 2: all go down?
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Speaker 1: And what did you learn from the conversation with Dave
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Speaker 1: about what he did and also his relationship with Bryce Harper.
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Speaker 5: Yes, Scott, thank you, thanks for having me. Doug Laville
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Speaker 5: and I talked today for our Startfeld podcast which actually
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Speaker 5: drops tomorrow, and Dave was so candid. This is as
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Speaker 5: candid as any conversation I think I've ever had with
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Speaker 5: an executive about a deadline. And I mean, let's start
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Speaker 5: with this. They started out shopping for an outfielder who
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Speaker 5: hit right handed, and they wound up with an infielder
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Speaker 5: who hits left handed. So that does it. This was
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Speaker 5: a little different than what you would have expected. And
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Speaker 5: none of that happens if the biggest star in their team,
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Speaker 5: who is Bryce, doesn't say, yeah, I know I haven't
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Speaker 5: taken a fly ball for four years, but I'll do that,
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Speaker 5: and then everything else falls in place. But you guys
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Speaker 5: know all the history between Dave and Bryce, Dave saying
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Speaker 5: last fall he wasn't sure if Bryce was elite anymore,
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Speaker 5: and then a week ago, leading up to the deadline,
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Speaker 5: Bryce says we need help, which was kind of Bryce's
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Speaker 5: way of saying, hey, Dave, why don't you be elite
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Speaker 5: now at what you do? And it really set the
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Speaker 5: stage for those two guys to have a fascinating exchange
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Speaker 5: right through the deadline, and Dave recounts it all.
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Speaker 6: I think you hit it perfectly because I was going
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Speaker 6: to ask that same question about the conversation that they had.
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Speaker 6: So for me, I guess and your eyes from the
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Speaker 6: conversations that you've had, is this a good thing and
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Speaker 6: for the relationship for Dave and Harper or can this
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Speaker 6: lead to a little bit more conflection?
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Speaker 5: You know, I actually think they got to a good place, Dodd,
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Speaker 5: or certainly the best place they've been in for quite
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Speaker 5: some time. So three days after Bryce said what he said,
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Speaker 5: Dave went down after the game this is last Friday
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Speaker 5: in Baltimore and found Bryce. Bryce was eating after the
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Speaker 5: game and Dave sits down with him in full view
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Speaker 5: of the rest of the team. And actually, because you know,
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Speaker 5: if you know where the food tables are now in Baltimore,
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Speaker 5: actually outside the clubhouse, everybody got to see it, Media
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Speaker 5: saw it, and so they had a really what sounds
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Speaker 5: like frank exchange where Bryce said, I honestly didn't mean
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Speaker 5: this personally, Dave, I just wanted to make sure that
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Speaker 5: you understood we think we need help, And Dave said,
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Speaker 5: I get it. And you know, Todd, I don't know
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Speaker 5: whether just on the basis of that conversation, there now
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Speaker 5: back to where they'll they'll be meeting for breakfast every morning,
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Speaker 5: you know. But they needed to be in the same
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Speaker 5: place and on the same wavelength because they needed Rice
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Speaker 5: to sign off on this, to get everybody else to
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Speaker 5: sign off on it, because it's an incredibly risky deal
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Speaker 5: to make, you know. I asked Dave this the day
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Speaker 5: after the deadline. I asked him again on our show,
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Speaker 5: do you think you've ever made a trade that disrupted
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Speaker 5: your team more than this one? Because they honestly had
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Speaker 5: to blow up four positions on the field. I don't
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Speaker 5: remember that, and he said, no, I don't think I
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Speaker 5: ever have. So we actually looked further. We got all
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Speaker 5: the trades as far back as we could go, mid
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Speaker 5: season trades, and we got all the teams had three
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Speaker 5: players on that team who played at least ninety games
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Speaker 5: at one position and then also another forty games or
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Speaker 5: more at another position, and not one of them was
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Speaker 5: a result of trading for one player and putting the
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Speaker 5: rest of the lineup through the Queason art. You know,
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Speaker 5: this was the only one maybe in the history. None
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Speaker 5: of that can happen if Bryce doesn't buy in. Yeah.
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Speaker 6: So, all this being said, the moves they made, the
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Speaker 6: people they got. Now let's turn the picture over to
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Speaker 6: present time. Are the Phillies going to find a way
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Speaker 6: to get into this playoff mix and do some damage
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Speaker 6: with the team they got right.
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Speaker 5: Now, Brad, I think they're dangerous. I do. All right,
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Speaker 5: Let's look at the reason that you would say yes.
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Speaker 5: Their record when they're one, two three starters Pitch Sanchez,
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Speaker 5: Wheeler Lizardo is the best record of any team with
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Speaker 5: any three starters in the sport. And who's gonna pitch
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Speaker 5: when you get to October. It's gonna be those three guys.
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Speaker 5: So that's a big deal. They've got one of the
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Speaker 5: best closers in the sport. The team on the field now,
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Speaker 5: seven of the eight position players have started an All
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Speaker 5: Star game, So they have the star power, they have
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Speaker 5: the playoff experience, they have the rotation, they have the closer.
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Speaker 5: Having said that, they are very flawed and they are
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Speaker 5: very thin. They don't have a veteran sixth starter or
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Speaker 5: even fifth starter to plug in if anybody gets hurt.
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Speaker 5: That's a real worry. They still have a very uncertain
16:41
Speaker 5: path to try to get to Dran when the starter
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Speaker 5: comes out of the game, that's a big worry. And
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Speaker 5: then they're very left handed. I know a rise hits
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Speaker 5: left handed pitching, and he hits good pitching, and that's
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Speaker 5: really important. It's why they did that deal. But like
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Speaker 5: if you wanted to right the Phillies go to October,
17:02
Speaker 5: here's what happens. You could see two really different outcomes.
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Speaker 5: It's amazing, Jason.
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Speaker 7: At the end of the day, do you think this
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Speaker 7: was more about just getting the best impact bat they
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Speaker 7: could get or was it about finding a righty outfielder?
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Speaker 7: How did it end up falling on our eyes when
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Speaker 7: they were looking for a righty outfield bat.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Brad, they've admitted that they had quite a debate
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Speaker 5: on this. What they really wanted was a middle of
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Speaker 5: the order, right handed bat. Tell me who that was.
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Speaker 5: That guy didn't get traded at this market. And when
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Speaker 5: they came to that conclusion and they thought they matched
17:39
Speaker 5: up on Arias, then they had to kick it around
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Speaker 5: at so many different levels. I mean, they gathered just
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Speaker 5: like the olden days. You know, Dave gathers his most
17:50
Speaker 5: trusted scouts and the top of his front office. They
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Speaker 5: all went to Baltimore last weekend and they all debated,
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Speaker 5: is this is what we should do? He said. Not
18:01
Speaker 5: everybody was in agreement. He pulled his coaches, can we
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Speaker 5: do this. If we do this, will these players be
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Speaker 5: willing to do it? And then he you know, they
18:11
Speaker 5: between him, Don Mattically the coaches, they had to make
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Speaker 5: sure that that was the case, that these players understood
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Speaker 5: why they were doing it and they were willing to
18:21
Speaker 5: do it. So, I mean, that's a lot of stuff
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Speaker 5: to make happen, and it's a big roll of the
18:28
Speaker 5: dice on so many different levels. But I don't know,
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Speaker 5: bet you guys, I kind of admire it. Somebody being
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Speaker 5: that creative, like going in thinking I need one thing
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Speaker 5: and then being willing to pivot that dramatically. How often
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Speaker 5: does that happen now in modern trade deadlines?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not sure at all, but it's very interesting.
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Speaker 6: Last thing for me about the Phillies here, Kyle Schwarmer
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Speaker 6: been struggling ever since coming back from the issues that
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Speaker 6: he's been having, you know, with the injuries and the
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Speaker 6: lower back and all that stuff. Any concern there or
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Speaker 6: is this just trying to get you know, back going
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Speaker 6: a little bit more, getting some more swings.
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Speaker 5: Todd? I think there is some concern. You know, you're
19:12
Speaker 5: a home run derby veteran, right, Kosh Warber almost didn't
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Speaker 5: do the derby because of his back. He's only hit
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Speaker 5: one homer since the derby. It's interesting that Jordan Walker
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Speaker 5: is hi none okay, but that's just a little aside
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Speaker 5: for me. That's great, you know, for the Phillies to
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Speaker 5: win in October, assuming they get to October, they need
19:34
Speaker 5: fifty homer Kyshwarber, not this version. And I don't know
19:39
Speaker 5: exactly what's going on. Matt geld might colleague get the
19:42
Speaker 5: athletic went and sought Kyle out the other day and said,
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Speaker 5: I noticed you haven't been hitting on the field early
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Speaker 5: like you've always done. What's happening? And he said to him,
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Speaker 5: I'm not hurt, but he is managing that back situation.
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Speaker 5: And I wasn't there last night, but it sounds like
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Speaker 5: he did go out and hit early on the field
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Speaker 5: for the first time in a long time, got two hits.
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Speaker 5: So let's see where it leads, because who's more pivotal
20:11
Speaker 5: to that offense than him.
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Speaker 7: I also think it was interesting you during your interview
20:17
Speaker 7: you mentioned that Dave went out there the first day
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Speaker 7: after these trades were made and saw all the guys
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Speaker 7: out there during early work. You kind of talk about
20:24
Speaker 7: his comments about that, how kind of fired him up
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Speaker 7: seeing these guys out there really working hard at their
20:28
Speaker 7: new positions.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Brad, I was really interested in that. And I mean,
20:33
Speaker 5: you kind of know how it works. So I said
20:35
Speaker 5: to Dave, you know, it can be kind of scary
20:38
Speaker 5: to disrupt your team as much as you just did.
20:41
Speaker 5: It can also be energizing. It can also be kind
20:44
Speaker 5: of a way to challenge your players to play a
20:47
Speaker 5: different way, to try to win a different way, and
20:50
Speaker 5: that can that can be very energizing. And Dave said
20:54
Speaker 5: he went out the next day and he sat in
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Speaker 5: his executive box and he watched the pre game work
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Speaker 5: and he thought there was a level of energy that
21:03
Speaker 5: he hadn't seen. And I mean, I don't know what.
21:07
Speaker 5: I don't know if you can ride that for two
21:08
Speaker 5: months or three months. But it is interesting how good
21:14
Speaker 5: baseball players can respond to being challenged, and good leaders
21:20
Speaker 5: aren't afraid to challenge people, to challenge their players, to
21:24
Speaker 5: challenge the people who work under them. All of that
21:27
Speaker 5: is going on here. If if Allies win the World Series,
21:30
Speaker 5: it'll be a hell of a movie. That's all I
21:32
Speaker 5: got to say.
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Speaker 3: For sure.
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Speaker 6: For sure, And you talk about leaders, and one that
21:37
Speaker 6: comes to mind Aaron Judge. There hasn't been much talk
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Speaker 6: about him. It seems like I'm not saying it's on
21:44
Speaker 6: the low, but it doesn't seem good, Like what from
21:47
Speaker 6: what you've heard or what you've seen or anything along
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Speaker 6: and is on. Can you give a little perspective of
21:52
Speaker 6: what is going on here, because it seems like it's
21:56
Speaker 6: this injury is taking a lot longer than expected and
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Speaker 6: you know aren't coming and the fans are starting to
22:02
Speaker 6: understand and get a little word.
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Speaker 5: Hey, I got a lot of the same questions that
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Speaker 5: you guys have, and the answers to those questions will
22:10
Speaker 5: probably determine how the Yankee season turns out, because think
22:16
Speaker 5: about the injury. If you're Aaron Judge, then you do
22:21
Speaker 5: what you do for a living, which is hit Baseball's
22:24
Speaker 5: are really long ways. Is there any more worries and
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Speaker 5: injury than a broken rib? And don't you have to
22:31
Speaker 5: be extremely careful patient about rehabbing an injury like that.
22:37
Speaker 5: And that's obviously what's happening. It's what he's doing, it's
22:41
Speaker 5: what his team is encouraging to do. But I don't
22:45
Speaker 5: think they know exactly what life is like on the
22:49
Speaker 5: other side. I know other teams have been asking me
22:52
Speaker 5: what I think what I've heard because they're wondering the
22:55
Speaker 5: same stuff. This is pretty clear. The Yankees have been
22:59
Speaker 5: one of the worst offensive teams in the sport since
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Speaker 5: Aaron Judge got hurt. And they've got the pitching part
23:07
Speaker 5: of this all lined up. You know, their rotation, their
23:12
Speaker 5: staff can match up with any team in any series
23:17
Speaker 5: in October. But their lineup is in anywhere near the
23:22
Speaker 5: same force without not just Aaron Judge showing up, but
23:26
Speaker 5: Aaron Judge being Aaron Judge. And is he gonna be
23:29
Speaker 5: that guy? Is he gonna be able to swing as
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Speaker 5: hard as he normally swings and take the approach that
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Speaker 5: he normally has with a broken rib? Tell me the answer.
23:38
Speaker 5: I forgot to go to medical school this week.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point. Is sure, he's probably gonna
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Speaker 2: be back, but what's he.
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Speaker 5: Gonna look like.
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Speaker 1: That's a huge part of the story here, you know.
23:47
Speaker 1: I mean, he's deep into his career, he's got a
23:50
Speaker 1: nice contract, he's not gonna hold back, and if it's
23:52
Speaker 1: gonna hurt him long term, he's still gonna come back.
23:54
Speaker 1: But what's he going to look like is a big
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Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle here. Jason's great point, and thanks
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Speaker 1: for hopping on with us on the way out here.
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Speaker 1: I do want to plug so the article form is there,
24:05
Speaker 1: but can you just tell the audience also how they
24:07
Speaker 1: can get the full conversation that you have with Dave
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Speaker 1: Dombrowski via podcast form coming up too.
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Speaker 5: Scott, I can do that. This is the Starkfield podcast.
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Speaker 5: It's part of our Rates and Barrels feed. It'll be
24:20
Speaker 5: first thing Saturday morning. You'll find it on YouTube and
24:23
Speaker 5: everywhere you get your podcasts. Again, one of the most
24:26
Speaker 5: candid conversations I've ever had with any deal maker after
24:30
Speaker 5: a deadline. So I strongly encourage people, if they care
24:34
Speaker 5: about this stuff, the check it out.
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Speaker 2: Yep. I got a long ride this weekend.
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Speaker 1: I will be all over it listening to that one
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Speaker 1: every single word. Thank you for hopping on, Jason, really appreciated.
24:44
Speaker 1: Thanks for doing the interview too, because I love this
24:46
Speaker 1: stuff and we'll talk to you down the road.
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Speaker 5: Love talking to you guys. Thanks