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Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: "Lye, Legacy, and a Lethal Birthday - Unraveling the Imirowicz Mystery" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Body bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Anyone that's read my
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Speaker 1: memoir Blood Beneath My Feet, Journey of a Southern Death Investigator,
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Speaker 1: you may remember the name Pearl. Pearls my grandmother and
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Speaker 1: she practically raised me. I miss her every single day
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Speaker 1: of my life. Now. There are two things that Pearl
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Speaker 1: kept on hand that tie her back to her childhood,
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Speaker 1: and she was very proud of these items, kept them
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Speaker 1: in the house. One was her mother's butter churn I'll
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Speaker 1: never forget it. She wasn't one of these grandmothers that
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Speaker 1: would say don't touch that. She would actually encourage you.
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Speaker 1: And I would ask her questions about it all the time.
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Speaker 1: How did this work? Did you do it? Did you
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Speaker 1: ever use it? And she'd tell me about milk and
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Speaker 1: cows and that sort of thing and churning butter. But
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Speaker 1: the other thing that she had was a scrub board.
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Speaker 1: And many people don't know what a scrub board is,
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Speaker 1: but a scrubboard is something that you would actually do
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Speaker 1: your laundry on. You would wash the laundry and then
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Speaker 1: you'd boil it many times, and then you'd scrub it
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Speaker 1: out with a bar soap, and that bar soap was
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Speaker 1: not something you went down to a supermarket, because where
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Speaker 1: my grandmother lived, there were no supermarkets where she grew up.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, she still remembers the night
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Speaker 1: till the day she died. You remember the night that
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Speaker 1: World War One ended, because the men rode up and
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Speaker 1: down the streets of their little village on horses, firing
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Speaker 1: pistols in the air to celebrate the end of the war.
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Speaker 1: And it was a simpler time. But they had to
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Speaker 1: make their own soap, and they made their own soap
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Speaker 1: by using lye lye. And the case that we're going
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Speaker 1: to discuss today involves lie, this chemical substance, and it
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Speaker 1: might be one of the most horrific ways that I
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Speaker 1: have covered regarding the death of someone. The long languishing
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Speaker 1: death of a man who had what appears to be
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Speaker 1: lie applied to his body. Five months he lingered before
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Speaker 1: he finally died. Today, we're going to talk about the
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Speaker 1: homicide allegedly committed at the hands of a man's daughter.
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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybacks day, back
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Speaker 1: when my grandmother would talk about having to produce lie
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Speaker 1: soap in their little village that they lived in in
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Speaker 1: the backwoods North Louisiana, where by the way, there were
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Speaker 1: no improved roads where she lived there, it was essentially
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Speaker 1: very few people had cars. They still use wagons that
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Speaker 1: sort of thing. Even into her teen years, it was
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Speaker 1: nothing for them to see that horses up and down
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Speaker 1: the streets. Didn't get electricity until the thirties. There were
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Speaker 1: really no stores to go to buy soap as we
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Speaker 1: think of it today. They would have to produce this
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Speaker 1: at home, and there's a very specific formula. But you know,
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Speaker 1: I even remember as a small child my grandmother talking
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Speaker 1: about how dangerously soap was and the production of ly soap,
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Speaker 1: and she had even mentioned that her mother had gotten
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Speaker 1: burned a couple of times by making ly soap, and
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Speaker 1: so it has always kind of hung in the back
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Speaker 1: of my mind why people would choose to use the substance.
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Speaker 1: But it was highly effective. Matter of fact, it's been
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Speaker 1: stated by many people that there was no kind of
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Speaker 1: clean like the clean and you would have on clothing
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Speaker 1: that had undergone treatment would lie lie soap in order
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Speaker 1: to get rid of stains and freshen things up and
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Speaker 1: that sort of thing. But very powerful substance.
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Speaker 2: We're talking about Megan Joyce Immirates, she's eighteen at the time.
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Speaker 2: Her sixty four year old dad, Conrad Immirates, has mentioned
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Speaker 2: that lie soap and you broke it down as to
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Speaker 2: making line talking about how strong it is. There's no
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Speaker 2: clean like you get clean from li and I had
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Speaker 2: the same stories from my mother and grandmother as well.
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Speaker 2: In looking this up, found out that a lie powder
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Speaker 2: is often used in drain cleaner, so we might even
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Speaker 2: have this in our home right now. Liepowder is often
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Speaker 2: found in dream cleaner and it has the ability to
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Speaker 2: corrode things on contact, including metal, paint, cloth, and skin.
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Speaker 2: Here's the kicker though, Lie again lie powder. It's even
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Speaker 2: more dangerous when it's.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it is, and you can come in contact in
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Speaker 1: a powdered form. You can come in contact with it
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Speaker 1: with your skin and you can get a mild irritation.
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Speaker 1: And that happens as a result of the substance itself
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Speaker 1: comeing in contact with the moisture that's contained on our skin.
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Speaker 1: But it really kicks into overdrop. There's actually a catalyst
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Speaker 1: has to occur, and the catalyst that flips the switch
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Speaker 1: on this thing is the app direct application of water
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Speaker 1: as it applies to this particular case, because without those
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Speaker 1: two components, you're not going to get the horror that
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Speaker 1: actually occurred.
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Speaker 2: And to give you an idea, okay, because I had
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Speaker 2: to look it up, I didn't know. It says that
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Speaker 2: the water creates an exothermic reaction that actually causes the
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Speaker 2: temperature to increase. And water that now, in particular, in
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Speaker 2: this case, on the man's skin with the lie in
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Speaker 2: the drink leaner, it could actually go up to two
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Speaker 2: hundred degrees fahrenheit. Imagine that on your skin. Two hundred degrees.
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Speaker 1: Two hundred degrees. Yeah, and that's powerful stuff when you
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Speaker 1: think about it. I mean, okay, let's just let's look
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Speaker 1: at it from a practical standpoint. And we're getting into summertime,
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Speaker 1: and we know what precautions we have to take when
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Speaker 1: we go outside and we're you know, maybe laying out
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Speaker 1: soun or working outside in the yard or whatever the
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Speaker 1: case might be. You go out there and you know
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Speaker 1: how hot it is. Okay, Well, let's think about the
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Speaker 1: ambient air temperature when you step out, particularly down here
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Speaker 1: in the Deep South in the middle of summer. We're
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Speaker 1: talking about above ninety degrees and you know how miserably
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Speaker 1: hot that can be well. Think about if you had
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Speaker 1: a substance on your skin, okay, that heated up to
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Speaker 1: two hundred degrees. It would be almost like if you
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Speaker 1: think of a a burner on a stove. I'm thinking that,
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Speaker 1: not like a gas burner, but I see that right now.
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Speaker 1: Right now, I'm visualizing the glow of a coil on
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Speaker 1: an electric electric stove. You apply your forearm or your hand,
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Speaker 1: the palm of your hand to that, and just imagine
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Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do to quench that. There's nothing
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Speaker 1: you can do to get rid of it, because guess
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Speaker 1: what if you apply water to it, it's gonna get worse.
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Speaker 2: How do you clean it up? If you've got this
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Speaker 2: just today on your arm, You've spilled a little drain
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Speaker 2: cleaner on your arm, and now you've got water mixed
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Speaker 2: in and it's starting to burn. How do you get
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Speaker 2: it off there? How do you clean it up? How
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Speaker 2: do you prevent it?
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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, it's something that an individual
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Speaker 1: would have to seek medical attention for immediately because until
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Speaker 1: this chemical reaction actually stops, the upside, I guess if
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Speaker 1: there is an upside, as long as you're not feeding it,
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Speaker 1: feeding it with more lye and more water, it's going
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Speaker 1: to hurt and there's nothing you can really do about it.
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Speaker 1: You would have to go to a physician, have to
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Speaker 1: get to an emergency room or clinic as soon as
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Speaker 1: you can so that they can stop this from happening
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Speaker 1: any further and treat the damage that's being done. Because look,
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Speaker 1: once it starts, there's really nothing that you can do
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Speaker 1: to kind of prevent it from acting out the way
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Speaker 1: it normally acts. It's the nature of the chemical reaction
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Speaker 1: itself that is going to bring about this continued injury
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Speaker 1: that it's almost as if it is a matter of containment.
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Speaker 1: Imagine people, and we've heard a lot about these in
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Speaker 1: the news, particularly over in Europe. Of my friends over
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Speaker 1: in Great Britain, we have these public acid attacks. Acid
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Speaker 1: is tossed on them. There's nothing you can really do
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Speaker 1: about that to get the act off of the individual.
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Speaker 1: It's just going to have to work itself out and
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Speaker 1: hopefully you can contain it and treat the injury itself.
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Speaker 1: It's one thing I think for those of us that
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Speaker 1: have been burned by fire. Most people probably have or
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Speaker 1: at least you've touched something hot and you've retracted. I
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Speaker 1: remember my son when he was a little bitty thing,
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Speaker 1: he stepped on a stainless steel plate outside of a
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Speaker 1: swimming match where my daughter was competing, and he burned
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Speaker 1: his little feet and it was on the stainless steel
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Speaker 1: plate and immediately starts screaming and he jumps off, and
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Speaker 1: I'm having to help him, but there's nothing I can
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Speaker 1: do about the burn, because the burn has already happened,
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Speaker 1: and all you can really do is treat it. In
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Speaker 1: the case of Conrad Emirates, my lord, it's hard to
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Speaker 1: even fathom what the metal personnel were faced with when
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Speaker 1: they were staring down what had occurred. I can only
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Speaker 1: imagine their shock when this guy shows up at the
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Speaker 1: emergency room and he is just riddled, I mean riddled
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Speaker 1: with burns.
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Speaker 2: To set the stage, Megan Emirates turning eighteen, and she
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Speaker 2: had plans that day that she needed and she needed
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Speaker 2: her dad, sixty four year old Conrad Emirates to be
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Speaker 2: a part of. She had a big plan, and Conrad
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Speaker 2: Emirates had a drinking issue. And I only say that
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Speaker 2: because it actually plays into what took place. Conrad Emirates
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Speaker 2: was on the couch, either passed out. And the reason
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Speaker 2: I say it comes into play is we react differently.
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Speaker 2: If you're just simply asleep and something is thrown on you,
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Speaker 2: you wake up. But when you have imbibed and now
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Speaker 2: you are a little more than just asleep, it takes
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Speaker 2: longer to react. And when Megan Emirates that morning was
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Speaker 2: prepared for a day. She needed to go to the salaunch,
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Speaker 2: she needed to go to the hotel to pay for
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Speaker 2: the room that she was going to have for her
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Speaker 2: eighteenth birthday party. All of this was her plan. She
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Speaker 2: was so zero in focused on it that anything that
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Speaker 2: derailed from that plan made her mad. And her dad,
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Speaker 2: Conrad Emmeriz, laying on the couch asleep, derailed her plan,
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Speaker 2: and she was mad. She was so mad, in fact,
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Speaker 2: that she took a picture of herself crying and sent
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Speaker 2: it to a friend saying that I had so I'll
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Speaker 2: have all these plans and he just ruined them. What
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Speaker 2: happened is allegedly Megan got really mad and started throwing
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Speaker 2: stuff at her dad. She's trying to wake him up,
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Speaker 2: She's doing everything she can, and he's not waking up.
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Speaker 2: He's not responding. And depending on how you look at
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Speaker 2: it and as I stated at the beginning, I tried
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Speaker 2: to figure out did she concoct this lie soap, water, poisoned, burning,
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Speaker 2: or did it just happen based on the things she
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Speaker 2: was throwing at him. We don't know. But what we
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Speaker 2: do know is that around where Conrad Emirates was laying
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Speaker 2: on the couch, there was a lot of white powder
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Speaker 2: that was some type of drain cleaner. There was water
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Speaker 2: splashed all over him, and there were other things there
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Speaker 2: and he Conrad Emirates said that he only remembered waking
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Speaker 2: up as the rescue squad was loading him into the ambulance,
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Speaker 2: that he didn't remember anything that took place during this.
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Speaker 2: And what I can fill in the blank here is
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Speaker 2: that allegedly Megan Emirates, when her dad would not get
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Speaker 2: up to take her to the salon and then too
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Speaker 2: the hotel, she got mad. She threw a bunch of
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Speaker 2: stuff on him, and then she took off anyway and
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Speaker 2: was gone. He is on the couch covered in the
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Speaker 2: drain cleaner that includedly soap and other assorted goodies, including
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Speaker 2: the water that was burning him, and five hours later,
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Speaker 2: five hours go by and is at the hotel. She
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Speaker 2: needs her dad's pen number on his credit card so
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Speaker 2: that she can pay for her hotel room for her
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Speaker 2: birthday party. And she calls her friend next door May
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Speaker 2: and her friend goes over and she finds Conrad Emirates
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Speaker 2: on the couch and her description, he looked very bad.
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Speaker 2: He looked very out of it. This is Kayleb Busquett
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Speaker 2: who discovered him. He had burns or blood or bruises
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Speaker 2: or something on him his head, chest, hands, stomach, his
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Speaker 2: legs looked green. That's a direct quote from Kayleb Busquette,
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Speaker 2: the neighbor that discovered Conrad Emirates five hours after he
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Speaker 2: was pummeled with drink cleaner that had lie in it
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Speaker 2: and water and everything else. She Cayleb Busquette then calls
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Speaker 2: her mother, calls Conrad Emirate's son, Austin, and they said
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Speaker 2: call nine one one, which is exactly what Kayla Busquet does. Now,
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Speaker 2: when nine one one sends the ambulance, that's when Conrad
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Speaker 2: Emirates wakes up enough as they're getting him onto the ambulance.
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Speaker 2: That sets the stage for what happens next, which Joe
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Speaker 2: I wanted to go back because the description of Conrad
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Speaker 2: Emirates is beyond anything that I can imagine that Caleb
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Speaker 2: Busquette said that it made her physically ill when she
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Speaker 2: saw him. She said his fingers were red and purple.
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Speaker 2: And this is what got me. The fingernails. His fingernails
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Speaker 2: were curled. What would cause all of this damage, Joseph
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Speaker 2: Scott Morgan.
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Speaker 1: A trauma response, and also it's a response, an inflammatory
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Speaker 1: response that his body is reacting to. And kind of
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Speaker 1: add another layer of horror to this is that he
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Speaker 1: had been drunk and passed out apparently, and to this
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Speaker 1: point they have not really to what his blood alcohol
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Speaker 1: level was. And we could go down that road for
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Speaker 1: some time about how you're doing with the issue of
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Speaker 1: chronic alcoholism in your life and you're ingesting alcohol regularly,
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Speaker 1: it's going to take more for you to say put
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Speaker 1: you in a state of being unaware of what's happening,
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Speaker 1: because this is trust me, this is horrible. I've had
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Speaker 1: one case in my career of suicide by drain cleaner,
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Speaker 1: actually taking I won't mention the brand, but actually taking
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Speaker 1: drain cleaner ingesting it, and what happens is that this
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Speaker 1: compound within the drain cleaner begins to work with the
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Speaker 1: moisture within the digestive tract. It is an corrosive event
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Speaker 1: because you have to think about the purpose of the
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Speaker 1: drain cleaner. You have organic substances that are in the
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Speaker 1: drain that are blocking say in your sink and in
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Speaker 1: your kitchen or maybe your bathroom where you've got hair.
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Speaker 1: You know it's clogging up the drains, and they sell
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Speaker 1: the stuff so that you know you'll apply it directly
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Speaker 1: in here and it'll begin to eat away at these
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Speaker 1: organic substances. That's what it does, and it's activated by
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Speaker 1: the moisture and the in dwelling moisture. So you think
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Speaker 1: about somebody just ingesting this internally. And I remember the
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Speaker 1: one case that I had of someone ingesting the stuff,
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Speaker 1: and when the dissection was done and opened up, I
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Speaker 1: stood there in amazement looking at the esophagus. It was
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Speaker 1: all hemorrhagic. There was an inflammatory response that was beyond
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Speaker 1: anything that I had seen in my career. The stomach
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Speaker 1: was literally eaten through because of the interaction with the
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Speaker 1: moisture within this person's system. So you've got this going
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Speaker 1: on externally. When this young lady goes there. This is
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Speaker 1: really kind of gruesome when you think about this if
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Speaker 1: mister Emirates's daughter Meghan was aware of what she had done,
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Speaker 1: but yet she's not going to go there and retrieve this.
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Speaker 1: She's going to ask her friend to go and do this.
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Speaker 1: You have to sit there and kind of begin to
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Speaker 1: think about this just for a second. She's subjecting her
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Speaker 1: friend to the site that she wound up beholding in
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Speaker 1: this environment, and it would have been absolutely horrific. This
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Speaker 1: guy would have had burns, which he did, all over
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Speaker 1: his body. They would have been absolutely ghastly. There's not
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Speaker 1: going to be any uniformity to them either. It will
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Speaker 1: look like something out of a horror movie, where you'll
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Speaker 1: have these little islands of flesh that might still be
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Speaker 1: in dwelling, that are completely surrounded by this kind of
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Speaker 1: eroded area of raw tissue that would go all the
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Speaker 1: way down to say, the layer of the muscle. It
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Speaker 1: would have gone through probably the epidermis and down through
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Speaker 1: the dermas, through the subc fat. I've seen actually images
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Speaker 1: of live burns where you have whatever refer to as
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Speaker 1: fourth degree burns, where you get down to the level
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Speaker 1: of the skeletal structure where you can see bone. It's
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Speaker 1: a vicious, vicious way to die. And that brings me
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Speaker 1: to another point here. If she is alleged to have
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Speaker 1: taken and the way it's kind of framed, taken multiple items,
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Speaker 1: random items and say through them at him. Okay, people
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Speaker 1: do that out of frustration, angry. She claims that he's
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Speaker 1: an alcoholic. He was supposed to take her somewhere. It's
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Speaker 1: her birthday. She's fed up, she's irritated. It's one thing
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Speaker 1: if you walk in and you see maybe you picked
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Speaker 1: up a shoe or a vase or anything within reach,
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Speaker 1: and you busted furniture and you've got not what we're
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Speaker 1: talking about. I've seen the crime scene images from here.
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Speaker 1: You're talking about a large plastic container that the lid
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Speaker 1: has been screwed off of. And I'll tell you what
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Speaker 1: this container looks like. If you'll imagine if you go
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Speaker 1: to a big box store where you're gonna buy like
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Speaker 1: an industrial size I don't know, thing of like mayo,
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Speaker 1: like you would use in a restaurant. It's about that size.
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Speaker 1: It's got to screw on plastic lid. This thing is open,
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Speaker 1: laying on the floor, and you can see this white
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Speaker 1: powder that's lying all about. Of course, at this point,
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Speaker 1: the body you lose context for this crimsing image because
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Speaker 1: the body is not there. But it's not like it
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Speaker 1: impacted him. And then some lie may have fallen on
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Speaker 1: him and it just got away. That's not what happened,
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Speaker 1: as this witness has stated she saw injuries to his head,
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Speaker 1: his torso, his arms, and his legs where this guy
19:53
Speaker 1: has been burned and his fingernails have curled up. At
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Speaker 1: this point in top because of this chemical reaction that
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Speaker 1: is occurring, he is still conscious or regains consciousness. When
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Speaker 1: mister Emirates was actually questioned by there was an attending
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Speaker 1: physician assistant PA that was taking a history from him.
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Speaker 1: He was still lucid enough to give. He says, I
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Speaker 1: don't know what happened. I've got bugs. I think he
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Speaker 1: said bugs are fleas in my house and a bug
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Speaker 1: bomb from my house. Maybe I passed out as a
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Speaker 1: result of that. Well. As toxic as the substance of
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Speaker 1: a bug bomb can be, it's not going to generate
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Speaker 1: this kind of insult to the body.
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Speaker 2: Right, And that's why when he said the bug bomb thing,
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Speaker 2: I looked at that Joe and I thought, why would
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Speaker 2: he even think that? But it's because he doesn't realize
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Speaker 2: what everybody else is seeing. He doesn't. He is not
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Speaker 2: in that state of mind where he's lucid. He can talk,
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Speaker 2: but he doesn't realize how bad it is.
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Speaker 1: That's fascinating. That's the thing I got to tell you
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Speaker 1: about healthcare workers. There's such you know, they throw around
20:56
Speaker 1: the term he wrote a lot nowadays. But you look
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Speaker 1: at folks that are doing initial triage and assessment on patients.
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Speaker 1: How do you stand there as a clinician and not
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Speaker 1: whence when this man is talking to you. I mean,
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Speaker 1: just imagine the intestinal fortitude that you have to have
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Speaker 1: as a clinician to stand there and listen to this
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Speaker 1: man and he's trying to make sense and he's probably
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Speaker 1: completely disoriented. He doesn't have a clue as to what's
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Speaker 1: going on with him. First off, with this chemical burning,
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Speaker 1: he's going to have pain, but also in some of
21:32
Speaker 1: these areas he'll have less pain. You know why, because
21:35
Speaker 1: a lot of the unnervated areas are gone at this
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Speaker 1: point in time. He's not going to sense how bad
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Speaker 1: maybe it is. And so this clinician is standing there
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Speaker 1: trying to take the measure of what they're seeing. This
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Speaker 1: is not like the typical kind of thing that a
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Speaker 1: clinician is going to see every day. Now. They see burns,
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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, don't mail in. They see burns
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Speaker 1: on a regular basis, but to this degree, it's not
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Speaker 1: a traditional thermal burn like you see with direct heat.
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Speaker 1: This chemical reaction that has taken place, and it is
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Speaker 1: one of the most horrific things I think that any
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Speaker 1: physician or any PA or nurse practitioner nurse could bear
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Speaker 1: witness to. But here's the thing. Mister Emmertence's life didn't
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Speaker 1: end there in the emergency room. He languished on ICU
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Speaker 1: for almost five months. I hated working burn cases. A
22:56
Speaker 1: hated fire deaths. They were horrific some of them. It's
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Speaker 1: horrible things I've ever borne witnessed to as a medical
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Speaker 1: legal death invest scare war burns, and they come in
23:05
Speaker 1: all shapes and sizes. I've had people burned in car
23:08
Speaker 1: accidents that died obviously, house fires, I've had people that
23:13
Speaker 1: were set on fire. But there's something about it. It's
23:19
Speaker 1: the treatment that people that live through the initial thermal assault,
23:26
Speaker 1: that treatment course that they have to go through. If
23:28
Speaker 1: you've never seen it, it is unbelievable and it's excruciatingly painful.
23:34
Speaker 1: One of the things that many people are not aware of.
23:37
Speaker 1: When people are burned, one of the first things that
23:41
Speaker 1: the clinicians really have to watch very carefully are your kidneys,
23:45
Speaker 1: because the kidneys begin to fail many times, and you
23:49
Speaker 1: can't process waste liquid waste in particular out of the body.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, burn victims begin to swell.
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Speaker 1: They swell so much, and this is really grows. But
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Speaker 1: physicians will have to make long linear incisions over the
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Speaker 1: surface of the body, running north and south. The do
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Speaker 1: it down the legs, the do it down the arms,
24:13
Speaker 1: the dude down the abdomen. So it would be nothing
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Speaker 1: to see someone come off of a burn unit that
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Speaker 1: had thirty thirty five incisions running great links over the
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Speaker 1: surface of the remains. And this is done in an
24:28
Speaker 1: attempt to keep the skin from actually splitting. That's how
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Speaker 1: painful this is. And I don't know if I can
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Speaker 1: express it in any stronger terms, but mister Emirate's Dave,
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Speaker 1: he endured for five months.
24:41
Speaker 2: I think when we first got this story, I looked
24:44
Speaker 2: at it because I didn't really know what we were
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Speaker 2: getting into, and as I was reading through it, I
24:50
Speaker 2: didn't grasp it with a first read through. It was
24:53
Speaker 2: the second time when I started trying to figure out
24:55
Speaker 2: about the lie and the water, because I don't know.
24:58
Speaker 2: I was in my head. I was thinking what I
25:00
Speaker 2: have in the house. But then I read her brother
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Speaker 2: Austin Emerates. I read what he said about the couch
25:08
Speaker 2: and I saw the picture. But when I saw his
25:10
Speaker 2: description of the amount of powder around the couch, because
25:14
Speaker 2: on the couch you mentioned that we didn't see. We
25:17
Speaker 2: don't have pictures of Conrad Imrits on the couch in misery.
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Speaker 2: We see the couch after the fact, and you can
25:24
Speaker 2: see where he was laying because there's no powder there.
25:27
Speaker 2: The powder is all around it, especially at one end
25:30
Speaker 2: that appears to be where his head might have been,
25:32
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of white powder. And assuming that
25:36
Speaker 2: that is from the drain cleaner that had the lie
25:41
Speaker 2: in it, that's a huge volume that wasn't on his body.
25:46
Speaker 2: And based on the injuries, he had a lot going on.
25:50
Speaker 2: But one thing that really struck me, Joe, and this
25:53
Speaker 2: is what I need to get this out. Megan Emirates
25:57
Speaker 2: was celebrating her eighteenth birthday and there's discrepancy here. I've
26:01
Speaker 2: seen some reports saying that her birthday had been two
26:03
Speaker 2: days before, others saying it was that day. It's really
26:07
Speaker 2: not germane to the topic. It's just a matter of clarity.
26:10
Speaker 2: But she was having a party, her eighteenth birthday party
26:13
Speaker 2: to celebrate, and part of that celebration was a hotel
26:16
Speaker 2: room and she needed her dad's credit card number and
26:19
Speaker 2: pen number to pay for the room. And so when
26:22
Speaker 2: she called her friend, Kayla Busqutt, next door neighbor, to
26:26
Speaker 2: go and get the credit card number. And that's when
26:28
Speaker 2: Kyle Buskett finds Conrad Emirates in dire straits and calls
26:33
Speaker 2: nine to one one. Well, when Megan Emirates is reaching
26:36
Speaker 2: back out to Kayla Buskett, she calls her because she
26:40
Speaker 2: still wants the credit card number, she wants the pin
26:43
Speaker 2: number or what have you. And when she calls Kayla Buskett,
26:46
Speaker 2: Kayla Busquett is at the hospital with Megan Emirates father
26:51
Speaker 2: because of the damage that had been done to Conrad Emirates.
26:54
Speaker 2: And she tells Megan on the phone she's I told
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Speaker 2: her this is a direct quote from Caleb Busquet quote.
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Speaker 2: I told her we were at the hospital. Her dad
27:06
Speaker 2: was in the hospital, and she hung up on me,
27:11
Speaker 2: hung up when she found out that what she had
27:13
Speaker 2: done to her dad caused him to be in the hospital.
27:15
Speaker 2: What we also know is a nurse allegedly overheard Conrad
27:18
Speaker 2: Emerets telling his son, Austin Emirates, that Megan was the
27:22
Speaker 2: one who caused his injuries, and the Michigan State Police
27:25
Speaker 2: was then called in because of what the nurse overheard.
27:28
Speaker 2: They interviewed Meghan Emirates at the hotel, not at the
27:32
Speaker 2: hospital right, not there with her dad, but at the
27:35
Speaker 2: hotel where she's going to have her party that her
27:38
Speaker 2: dad's paying for.
27:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the fact that she has admitted to allegedly
27:43
Speaker 1: taking these items, multiple items, and throwing them at him.
27:48
Speaker 1: It doesn't stand up, I think logically when you begin
27:51
Speaker 1: to look at this.
27:52
Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, Joe, I believed that story. I
27:55
Speaker 2: believed her when she said she threw a bunch of
27:57
Speaker 2: stuff at him until you explained earlier what had to
28:00
Speaker 2: have taken place, and then I went, oh, this was
28:03
Speaker 2: way more direct than I thought.
28:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's actually a switch that has to be flipped
28:08
Speaker 1: chemically here in order to initialize this chemical reaction. Let's
28:13
Speaker 1: just look at it. This way you take this substance
28:17
Speaker 1: and you distribute it over an area and then you
28:20
Speaker 1: activate it with water. That's simply what happens. And I
28:24
Speaker 1: was thinking when I was reading through this, I was
28:26
Speaker 1: thinking one of the things that arson investigators look at
28:29
Speaker 1: by the way that I think arson investigators are some
28:32
Speaker 1: of the unsung professionals that are out there in forensics,
28:36
Speaker 1: and people don't normally refer to them as forensic scientists.
28:39
Speaker 1: I submit that I think that they're fantastic forensic people.
28:43
Speaker 1: But that aside. When arson investigators look at say fires
28:48
Speaker 1: that are set and they're in a home, for instance,
28:53
Speaker 1: in a structure, they look for what to referred to
28:54
Speaker 1: as splash patterns. Say, if someone takes a can of
28:58
Speaker 1: gasoline and kind of throws it and it spreads it
29:00
Speaker 1: all over room, you can actually see where the fire
29:03
Speaker 1: tracks as a result of the pattern, this liquid splash pattern.
29:08
Speaker 1: You're radio guy, Dave, you look at you guys have
29:11
Speaker 1: all of these monitors and things you look at. You've
29:14
Speaker 1: seen kind of sound waves before. And for me not
29:18
Speaker 1: being that's not the way my mind works. That's I'm
29:21
Speaker 1: trying to make it in my simple way, it looks
29:24
Speaker 1: like a wave pattern many times, and you'll see all
29:26
Speaker 1: these really weird patterns, you know, that come out relative
29:30
Speaker 1: to the distribution of saying accelerant like gasoline, where a
29:34
Speaker 1: match is applied and it'll burn and you'll see the
29:37
Speaker 1: margins of it. With this, it's not exactly the same. However,
29:42
Speaker 1: you begin to think about distribution of the substance of
29:45
Speaker 1: this drain cliner over the surface of the body of
29:50
Speaker 1: the skin, and you know that this is not something
29:53
Speaker 1: where say, for instance, okay, let's just give people the
29:56
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. Let's just say that he had
29:58
Speaker 1: a bit of it that wound up on the back
30:00
Speaker 1: of his hand. Okay, and then somehow miraculously water got
30:05
Speaker 1: applied to it and he was burned in that one area. Okay,
30:08
Speaker 1: I'll go we did there, logically, we'll have that discussion.
30:12
Speaker 1: But when you talk about his hands, his head, his torso,
30:19
Speaker 1: his legs, you know that that is not quite as randomized. Say,
30:25
Speaker 1: for instance, if you just come in contact with it
30:27
Speaker 1: and get it wet on your hand, because what are
30:29
Speaker 1: you going to do, well, automatically, you're going to retract
30:31
Speaker 1: from it. It's something that's going to be very unpleasant.
30:34
Speaker 1: You're not going to want anything to do with it. No, no, no, no,
30:37
Speaker 1: that's that's not what we're seeing here. Manifesting physically, you've
30:41
Speaker 1: got this distribution from literally head to toe with him.
30:46
Speaker 1: But unfortunately with mister Emmert's he no longer had toes.
30:50
Speaker 1: Do you know why, Dave, Because as a result of
30:54
Speaker 1: being subjected to this kind of trauma after he is
30:58
Speaker 1: in ICU and he's being and it's a twenty four
31:02
Speaker 1: hour of course with him, and they had to bilaterally
31:05
Speaker 1: amputate his legs. So both legs were literally taken off surgically.
31:10
Speaker 1: And that's how extensive this was. Not only that we
31:14
Speaker 1: talked about the contact surfaces with this event involving this substance.
31:20
Speaker 1: Did you know that one of the other things that
31:22
Speaker 1: can happen is to inhale inhale this stuff as well?
31:28
Speaker 1: And as we found out from the medical examiner in
31:31
Speaker 1: mister Emmertz's case, his lungs were damaged. He actually had
31:35
Speaker 1: to have a track in place to help him breathe.
31:40
Speaker 1: So now that he's in intensive care, they've had to
31:44
Speaker 1: place a breathing tube in his throat.
31:47
Speaker 2: Is that what the track is? When you say trake? Okay,
31:49
Speaker 2: that's a breathing tube.
31:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it goes actually right in the mid line
31:54
Speaker 1: of the throat. So if you'll find if people anatomically,
31:57
Speaker 1: if you'll find where that little cartilations body some people
32:00
Speaker 1: refer to as Adam's apple just inferior to that, they'll
32:03
Speaker 1: make an incision in there and they'll insert this breathing
32:06
Speaker 1: to And so he's having to have help just merely
32:10
Speaker 1: to survive. And of course, the big thing that happens
32:14
Speaker 1: with people that are burned is that they're going to
32:17
Speaker 1: kidney failure, and that's the kiss of death. As he
32:21
Speaker 1: is being treated in the hospital, one of the other
32:24
Speaker 1: things that's going on with him, he's in a state
32:28
Speaker 1: of kidney failure all the time. So now this man
32:31
Speaker 1: has had to go on to dialysis, which is further
32:35
Speaker 1: impacted by the fact that if we are to believe
32:37
Speaker 1: what we have heard that he had a problem with
32:41
Speaker 1: chronic alcohol consumption, his kidneys may have already been compromised
32:46
Speaker 1: to a great degree. It wouldn't be like a guy
32:48
Speaker 1: that's walking around just on a daily basis with a
32:51
Speaker 1: healthy set of kidneys. Okay, So he's got a lot
32:54
Speaker 1: of things that are working against him at this point.
32:56
Speaker 1: In time. The nature of this death is not there's
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Speaker 1: no hint of mercy here. It's not like it was quick.
33:05
Speaker 1: This is a long, slow, agonizing death. Right now, his daughter,
33:12
Speaker 1: Meghan nineteen, of Groveland Township in Oakland County, Michigan, has
33:18
Speaker 1: been found guilty. She's been found guilty of murdering her
33:22
Speaker 1: father by use of harmful devices, irritants causing death, and
33:28
Speaker 1: domestic violence. Her trial only took four days. She faces
33:32
Speaker 1: up to life imprisonment when she is sentenced. That sentencing
33:36
Speaker 1: is scheduled for July twenty fifth, twenty twenty three. I'm
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybacks