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From Stage to Space: April Jennifer Choi’s Wild Ride - Whips, Fire, and NASA #234 · The Magic Guys

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They're guys. They do magic. They are the Magic Guys.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to episode 234 of the Magic Guys,
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the podcast where we as professional magicians interview guests, talk about our lives,
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doing full-time giggory, and occasionally we have a cat cam like you saw earlier.
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To my left, we've got Doug Conn.
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Where am i i'm over here there goes the cat
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all right well it was fun while it lasted what's up y'all
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glad to have you here mainly the
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cat if you could bring the cat back and down below we've got my boy nick k hello
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friends i'm nick k welcome to the show and welcome what go on who also just
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opened the theater of magic in melbourne thank you.
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We did it, buddy. I feel like we could talk all about that. But if you had to
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sum it up into a short, how was it?
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How was it? It was awesome. We'll talk about it in Geek Stories today.
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It's a very proud moment. More importantly, I want to welcome our friends in the chat.
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Guys, good to see you all. We have Eric LeCliff in the chat. What is up, buddy?
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Best roommate ever. We have Tim Askin. We have Gehan.
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Guys thank you all for being here again we
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i want to get into it and not waste another moment who's in you in hands in
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All right, I'm going to get ready to press some buttons. Nick,
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let everyone know who our guest is today.
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Okay, friends, our guest today was someone who created such a buzz that she
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was totally unaware of this amazing skill that she had while at Magic Live.
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Now, Magic Live, as you know, it's a convention of interruptions and you barely
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have time to spend all the time you wanted with people.
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And so I literally was like, April Choi, I wanted to spend more time with you.
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And we did not will you please come on our show she was like yeah so after having
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an amazing 30 years of like movement and dance and arts she's broken more guinness
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world records than we've had so vlakia please join me in welcoming the amazing april choy.
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Hi friend oh am i pumped april
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joy thank you for being here please tell us who you are and what don't
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you do my name is april jennifer joy i've been a dancer and performer for about
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like 30 years now i'm not a full-time performer anymore i stopped when the pandemic
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hit and decided that I was going to go and go work on rockets instead.
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So you decided I better get a real job and went, you know what? I'll go work for NASA.
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Yeah. Yeah. That was kind of a dare. You're like the reverse Jack Rhodes.
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You're like the opposite of Jack Rhodes.
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Oh yeah. He, nuclear engineer turned full-time magician and obviously space opened up.
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You're like, you know what? Yeah. I'll jump on that. Why not?
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Yeah. So your expertise are in fluid dynamics. I don't know what that means. That's correct.
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There's a set of equations called the Navier-Stokes equations that are set up
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by some French engineers long, long ago and mathematicians.
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It's basically, how does fluid move? How does like various fluids move?
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So they write these differential equations and be like, oh, it moves because of this.
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So then it's just kind of studying like, how do those moves?
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Finding a general solution to the Navier-Stokes equation is actually one of
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the Millennium Prize puzzles, so if you ever find that, congratulations,
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you'll have a million dollars in historical mathematical eclipse.
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I have to ask you this, and I apologize if everyone does. Big Bang Theory,
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when you watch that, are you like, they don't know what they're talking about?
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They fact-check that show so much. They're so impressive.
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Oh, wow. Okay, so it can be educational if you soak in some of that,
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So what's also really cool about the part that you're on, which is really spinning
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me out, is that you are basically part of a team that plans on sending us humans back to the moon.
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That is correct. How exciting is that? And how did you even fall into that?
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It was the pandemic. Lost almost all my gig work and was like,
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okay, what am I going to do for work?
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My wife actually dared me to be
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like you should totally apply for NASA because you've always wanted
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to join it like there's no effing way they're gonna
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hire somebody who like is part of
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the circus I applied I didn't
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get rejected by the first offer and they called me back and
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said hey so you're not going to be an engineer but
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how about if you want to manage the team instead so I'm
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like sure and then they basically said hey can
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you move to Florida in two weeks so at the start of
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the pandemic we basically had to drive through empty roads
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in the united states to move into my uncle's house
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melbourne florida coincidentally and
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then there for several weeks before working
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at the space center that is unreal so what was
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it a big move were you moving from like one side of the planet to another like
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how far it's from a little south
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of chicago to orlando florida so i don't
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i'm not that good at geography that's a big move you know the size of the united
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states that's like yeah it's like as far north that's as far north to south
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as you can move in this country basically like a thousand kilometers my goodness
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thank you for doing the conversion thank you okay yeah question.
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Do you use a different metric like in the NASA realm? Is it centimeters and
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meters or is it feet and inches? Like what's the deal?
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Depends on the customer. Like it really, every launch, every piece of launch
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equipment, somebody shoots something else.
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It's weird. So we have like four units of temperature.
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We use, some people use centimeters, some people use millimeters,
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some people use meters, some people use inches, some people use feet, somebody's bananas.
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Like i was surprised how much engineering i data i got entirely in bananas so
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like i i decided i have the tattoo where i'm like i'm going to get this in metric
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and imperial because it's just.
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Wow okay so what about the moon like what metric would the moon be in we only
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measure things in badgers on this show i've never done the math on how much
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the Moon weighs in hundreds.
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The average badger is 3.5 feet.
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3.5 feet? Okay, I know the moon is, what, one-sixth gravity?
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It's like a quarter of the diameter of the Earth.
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I think the Earth, like you said, is 1,000 meters because that's what they wanted around.
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So, like, is it roughly like 4,000 meters divided by, you said 3 feet? Oh, my God.
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She's actually doing it. This is crazy.
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Roughly, I want to say like, is it?
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Roughly 10,000 badgers. That sounds pretty right. Let's go with that.
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10,000 badgers, baby. Wow.
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It's been a while since we've had some really big brain on this show, which is super cool.
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Have you ever applied that mental energy to a version of the 21 card trick?
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I tried to do like a 52 version and a 49 version. So it's like a three fight seven. Oh my God. Yeah.
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Okay. Okay, so, yeah, did this way of thinking first start in card magic or
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earlier than that when you would plan stunts or like?
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Oh, I mean, math, I've always had an interest in math.
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And then like, what is it, Diaconis and Gardner, I think, their magical magic,
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like that's inspired a bunch, like trying to figure out brilliant sets, which is being like, oh,
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what obscure mathematical principle can I use to like fool magicians?
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Yeah and then i just like liked math so i kept doing it i had an interest in
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cards so like card counting became a thing for a while.
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I wanted to keep using math in some ways, so eventually I pursued a degree in
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engineering, and then eventually I went like, no, screw engineering, I want to go perform.
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Quit engineering to be a performer, and then quit performing to be an engineer.
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Okay we'll circle back to the to the engineering realm because there's obviously
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a lot of things you do performance wise but let's focus on the magic for the
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moment by saying that some of the skills that you have with regards to card magic specifically.
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Really were earning you a reputation around the magic live convention
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and that yeah now i don't
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know i'm not entirely aware of what other realms of magic you perform whether it
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be card coin stage or to browse mentalism but the one particular thing
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that was on everyone's ears and josh and
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i were talking about it right quite frequently was this ability to
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clock a deck some people don't even know what that means can
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we explore that together now yeah i think
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clocking the deck i first i don't want to say i first
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read about it but a book i read recently on kind of like giving you subtle ideas
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i think ruin carlson put it in his book x i feel like it's an animan somewhere
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and it's essentially like looking at a subset of cards can you tell like the
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one that is missing So some people refer to it as if you just put in like ace of 10 of spades,
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you can put that in a packet somewhere, you can force that chunk instead.
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And if you be able to see what's there, you can say what's left.
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So like if it's something like easy through one through 10, the classical way
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of clocking a deck refers to as like, what would be the remainder if you went
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around a clock, right? So if you add 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 all the way to 10, you get 55.
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So if you start adding those numbers and you end up with a mainder of 0,
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that means the last number remaining is a 5.
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People realize, rather than just doing straight addition, you can go around
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the clock face with either a 10 or a number system, and you can be like,
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okay, if they add up to a really, really simple example, let's say you have...
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12 cards they each take up a space on the clock or they add up like four fours add up to 16
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that's not gonna work because that's real dumb uh uh one
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two three four adds up to 10 so if you add two
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plus three that's five plus four that's nine you're
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one away from 10 so you know that last card is going to be an ace so
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it's like a number system to do it so that's where
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you can get like a pip value right or if you just do it
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for like suit values you know there's like you know
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say you have a pack of 20 10 red cards 10
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black cards you go one up one down you ended
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up with a plus one which means you have one more black card than a
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red card that's another way of doing it there's high
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low systems for counting decks so like for
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example you know that there's going to be five cards i'm going
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to face cards as in like ace 10 jack like 10
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jack queen king ace those are my highs two three
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four five six those are my lows that should be equalized when
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you get to the end of the deck so if you have like plus two
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or plus three you know there are three more high cards in
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the deck than low cards in the deck that's why you
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can block like a deck for blackjack yes do
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it for like full 52 cards if you are bored
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enough and just keep doing that i see why nessa hired you okay i feel like you
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might have played a blackjack hand or two in your day wow i wasn't actually
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that good i have never felt like learning the math behind the systems that actually doing it.
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Yeah i think now i think chat gbt is actually
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listening to this conversation and getting smarter because
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that was a lot to take in and we appreciate it and this one
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i'm gonna have to watch back again but i love where
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this is going well what you
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said but what sort of effects can we achieve with this with this actual skill
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set like like method aside the effect
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what's the effect that's like oh i i
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used it either as an out because i probably
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the one i was example is using earlier in the conversation was
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i would glance the bottom card i would classic force but in classic for below
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the break so i didn't think the card on the top of the deck not below the deck
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i'm like how do i spot this well if i flip the deck and show that they have
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something like i know that this card is missing right and then as a challenge somebody at magic live,
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I forgot their name.
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Might come to me a little bit later. I'm going to guess it was Patton.
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No, Patton, we had a lot of discussions on, like, what you could use clocking for.
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He's probably... I've got a great one. Paul Cummins.
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But there was just, like, hey, we had challenges of, like, how quickly could
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you spot the card that got with through if you just shuffled a deck of cards,
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took a deck out, flipped it over, spread it out, and said, who could name the
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card that's missing the fastest?
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I think we did that challenge.
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Mystify and at MagiFest this year, and several times, I could get it within,
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like, A lot of it was luck, right?
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I could tell, like, it's probably a low card that's missing.
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I'm going to think if it's a four. So I just quickly scanned for fours,
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and it just happened to be that.
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So there was a couple times where they'd shuffle the deck, take out a card,
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flip it over, and I could immediately say, oh, it's four space missing.
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So in, like, three seconds, I could immediately tell what the card is.
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And then, like, I haven't got that down fast enough that I would put it in,
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like, performance, but it's just kind of a fun skill to shuffle a deck,
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flip it over, or take out a card flip it over and see if you
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can name what's missing what i what yeah go
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ahead what i find remarkable about that is that before the show
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we're talking about it and you're able to do this from a
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shuffle deck yet don't or haven't mastered mnemonica yet and i think that is
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yeah i haven't really i've tried to commit mnemonica to memory for a long time
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now and i would just keep getting distracted by like oh there's a new new one
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oh joshua j just came out with particle system.
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Oh, I want to revisit memorizing a Debrouillon stack or Osterlin's or somebody else comes with.
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They're like, oh, I just bought memorandums. So like Woody's like system or an Harrison stack.
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You're like, I'm going to just keep doing them. Like I have like five stacks
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I've studied and haven't stuck with one long enough to just be like,
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this is wow. Do an A can just do this.
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Just. Okay. That's first of all, that's wild. But Second of all,
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because you have studied multiple stacks, because I only work with the moniker.
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Is there one you found that seems to have a few advantages above the rest?
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Or have any stuck out to you?
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Depends on what you want to do with it.
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Just because Joshua J did his lecture at MagiFS, it's like, do you really spend
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a lot of time with the face cards face up and having people inspect it?
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No in which case like if i really need to
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know like a full stack of the deck right you can
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like basically slop shuffle new deck order like
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new deck fall shuffle slop shuffle
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like you can just show them chunks and even though they're like runs people
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don't glance at enough to know that it's still they think it's shuffled if you've
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convinced them enough that it's shuffled then you see like oh it's in you know
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new deck order ace king ace king king ace king ace you just look at it,
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like, I know what the next card is.
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Like, it became a lot easier to be like, why do I need this? And then for.
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Like a cam right like we're like okay we
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need to know exactly where this position i can basically
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block count 13 cards and then cut to
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26 fast enough that i'm like as long as they
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don't name like 48 they're gonna name something like 17 all
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i needed yeah right there and doug just blocks 13 off you're like okay screw
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it i'm just gonna know why we learned the pinky count right everyone should
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be pinky counting so we can be i found there there are much easier methods that
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i needed on the spot because I just effed something up and I'm like, okay,
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so I can't do this routine anymore. How am I going to change this?
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I got an idea. Just run with it.
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Amazing. Ever say everyone got that? Okay.
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Jazz with a deck because I don't practice all routines.
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, my recommendation is you learn heavy sleight of hand first,
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and then you learn stack then you learn
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stack work because when the stack work fails you can
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resort back to your sleight of hand your palming your
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necessary oh my god i effed up this is how you fix it you know yeah you just
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you're mentally just freeze you know like man you drop a card people are drunk
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they splash water on it you forgot that you somebody signed a card you left
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them as a souvenir you come back you're like.
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Crap, I only have 51 cards in this stack. Yep, you speak of my language.
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Just the other day, in my head, I did all the math, but they said four of hearts,
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which actually would be very easy to get to, Nomonica, but I just,
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in my head, had four of diamonds for some reason.
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So when I revealed four of diamonds, I'm like, yeah! And they're like,
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that's not what I asked for.
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I'm like, goddammit. And so luckily, sleight of hand kicks in, and then you're fine.
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Yeah, five, yeah. Okay, I just want to double check that I had Nomonica memorized correctly.
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Yeah five which is much easier than 42
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which is what the four diamonds was but you
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know alas a lot of folks may come up with your own
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stack and i i tried that at one point and
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i've lost it but i called it i called it the bubble stack and basically what
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it was it was 26 cards that then repeated oh yeah yeah yeah and so the idea
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was that like you would just convert the suit so if the first card was ace of
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spades for example it would be a club it would just be like the mirror,
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of like i have a new stack and i'm going to memorize this
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and i called it this is going to be the april choice stack and then like five
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weeks later you open a book and like by the way this is the space stack i'm
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like god damn it yeah but like
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i wanted a story deck at the time so i wanted a reason to
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be like here are four queens here and
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then you change them to like four kings and they're like they had four friends
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with the four jacks and then you're just like oh i've got
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a job with nasa so then you can count down 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 so i'm like why don't
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you just push it in that order seemed a lot easier yeah okay what why don't
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we talk about geeks because obviously now you're an astronaut essentially but
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before that what kind of geeks were you doing what um.
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Yeah, I want to ask so many questions, but let's start with that.
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Yeah, well, let's circle back to your history of dance, choreography, and fire performance.
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And what started first?
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Magic was later in the game? Were you always dancing? What's the deal?
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So first, performing art would probably be dance.
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Signed up as a child in dance classes. Did the school plays and stuff. What kind of dance?
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Glass tap ballet when I was younger. eventually moved to
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country western because my mom really loved it line dancing and
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then in high school it was latin and ballroom started teaching
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ballroom that's how i met my wife was through teaching ballroom
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then started teaching swing joined a swing club eventually like started helping
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run this swing club as a treasurer and then started primarily performing and
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teaching swing tango blues teaching a swing east coast lindy workshop in gainesville
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i think next month So then it ended up being a lot of swing dancing,
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East Coast, West Coast, Lindy, Bobo.
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We just taught a shag workshop in Orlando, maybe a couple words back.
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Collegiate shag, not Carolina shag, not the other shag.
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That stuff's no good. Yeah. So then after dance, then came performing arts in general.
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So fire performance. So that was like 2011 when I started fire performing.
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2012 was my big break with the Indianapolis Super Bowl with Super Bowl Village. So that was 2012.
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And then fire performing till about 2016, which case then it switched over primarily
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whip cracking and whip shows.
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And then only started putting magic like quick change of my own version of like
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bank night slash paycheck roulette, like in the last couple of years.
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Let's talk about the whip game because you've done some amazing feats with that.
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You've obviously broken a few world Guinness world records with it.
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One of which was when you did this.
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Let's talk about the Jenga one first. Tell us about that.
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Was it my fur? No, longest whip was my first.
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I think it might've been my second Guinness world record ever was most number
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of Jenga blocks removed with a whip in a minute.
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And that one went viral online. It got picked up by talk shows,
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actually a couple of talk shows got picked up by the Guinness Book.
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So then that's like the trick.
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I don't call it a trick. That's the thing that like.
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Took me places like that's the one that's
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like oh this is what i want to develop it was actually i
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was going to use that as a pen and teller a foolish
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audition piece for a while because i was like man there's
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no way they're just going to guess like you can straight up hit the
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block you want so it's going to like label there's 54 jenga
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blocks in there so it'd be like your card is
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and then four of diamonds and then
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they're like search through the deck this is the only block labeled four
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diamonds and of course they're not going to be like oh
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they're going to say some methods some switch something and
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not just you just effing hit that specific block
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i don't know i reckon they might think it's
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like the the painting or something the the like a like a puzzle piece kind of
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thing like maybe there's magnets or you know yeah that's what everybody's loose
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when i first did the video everybody thought it was the whip part was just mimed
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right and then you were shooting a BB gun or like you had it on a string and then it got pulled out.
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And they're like, that's how she knew that exact block that she was going to do.
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I did it blindfold in Russia as well and succeeded.
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And it was like, how the bleep did you know that specific block that you're
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going to hit when you can't see it?
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And it's like, dude, one, I've done this a ton and it's, it's diagonal corner to me.
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I put this side, which is either all diamonds, spades, whatever.
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Right toward me, try not to have a face value because those are going
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to be the center ones and then i'm like okay one two
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three four now you can just force a card but even
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if it's a free selection i know where roughly the blocks of
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cards are going to be then for that show i know it
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was four four up from the four not four
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like this way so it's like two four six
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eight so it's a block up i know that's the
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block i need to hit so even if i can feel the edge of the table with
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a whip i know this is the height i would need to just hit that
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specific block and like i stacked the the
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jenga set so i know exactly like which are the loosest blocks
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some of them like the first time i did it on the james corden
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show it was just they i effed up
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the first take so they stacked it up for me because they didn't want me to move
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otherwise it changes continuity so i'm like oh shit i have to legitimately take
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out a completely random block which is why like the entire tower shifted because
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This is a block that had weight on it versus like a block that's easily movable. Wow.
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Yeah. So that, that's the, that's the trick I guess that took me,
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that started my, my performing arts career went viral.
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It just, it got me a lot of gigs from right there.
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Where'd you, where did it go viral? Were you like actively producing social media content?
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I mean, I was make, I would say I was making content, but I wasn't like,
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it wasn't like high production value.
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Like I see Doug, actually all three of you have like fantastic studios.
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Oh yeah there it is there just as we're chatting there's a few yep yeah that was slow mo.
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This is wild. Is this on YouTube? Yeah, that is. That's it. So that's just me,
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like, the first time I did it, just trying it.
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Just being like, I'm going to try this. And later on, I'm like,
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oh, now I can get to the point where I can hit a specific block out with a whip. Wow.
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And then I see everyone should scope this out. But then on YouTube,
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there's a few. You're doing it on a talk show, being interviewed.
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And yeah, well, then there's a fire version. Oh, my God. Oh,
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yeah. We built a giant Jenga version.
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Got two whips. lit the entire thing on fire
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yeah i know this was just dumb and
24:45
then me and a friend was like hey do you want to play giant fire
24:49
jenga and then we didn't think about how are we going to pick up
24:51
these flaming blocks and put it back on all within like but three minutes while
24:56
this thing is still on fire and like the exposure sucked on that because it's
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because like three foot tall of flaming fire and why didn't like think about
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exposure compensation at this time because i I was like, I'll just try this dumb idea.
25:10
So then we're trying to play Jenga as fast as you can with flaming whips.
25:14
Wow. Yeah, I was surprised that
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that worked out. That wasn't like us playtesting to get to that point.
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That video was the first time I show up at my best friend's house and like, hey, I got an idea.
25:25
You want to get some cameras, set this giant thing in your backyard,
25:30
set it on fire and try to play Jenga. And he's like, sure, let's do this.
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I like it. That weekend, we just went and tried it. and that's
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the video that i am now i can see why that
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went off the fire stuff while we're still on the on the whip game you cracked
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a 365 foot whip that that's 100 64.5 or 365.4 one of those two wow 111.12 meters.
25:58
Now what i'm like i've tried cracking a
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whip yo it's not as easy as it looks okay you think
26:04
you think you're indiana jones you're not you're not
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and so like there is
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obviously a lot around that now like is your knowledge of like fluid dynamics
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beneficial to this yeah is there
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like a physical strain that you sort of had to deal with like you know
26:20
in order to get it right or you like got it first crack
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like what's the deal oh no it took it took forever that
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i started like making that whip I built
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it and then I started like adding to that whip so
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I built the first whip which I think was like 100 even and I
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think it went 100 127 I
26:39
want to say 169 214 I think
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214 is when I first did it at an
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event like for their showcase and then
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I want to say I went to 260 something I think I got the Guinness record somewhere
26:52
around the 260 range and then bumped it up to like three 300 something and then
26:58
nathan griggs took the record he's in i think he's queensland australia i don't
27:02
remember that and then i came back and tried to get it at 360.
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364 365 i don't remember the exact number so it like got built up longer and
27:10
longer it it's very physically straining but like there's a lot of other people
27:15
who are stronger than me and it turns out the thing that was the most important
27:18
was accuracy because it's like if you try to throw a loop,
27:22
but it's not on plane, the thing will spiral.
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Do I have a cable or anything that's near my... Hey, look at that.
27:29
Oh, I don't mess up my lighting system that I just tried to set up before this.
27:35
If you throw a loop and it's dead on, it will travel down the length of the whip pretty easily.
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But if it spirals and it's just like off that gap and it starts widening,
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it's just, you throw the whip and immediately widen.
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So when I got the Guinness record for that, the surveyor, who's like the person
27:57
officially measuring the length of the whip, they ended up being like three
28:01
hours late. I don't remember why.
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So for like two hours, because they're like, we're supposed to do this thing.
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It's supposed to be in this like one hour time slot at the festival.
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They're like, you know what, everybody go ahead, take your shot.
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So we had people who like, just kept doing this over and over and over again.
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Of course, none of them could do it Because 300 foot whip is really, really hard to control.
28:22
And it was cool to see like all these really big, strong people make it like
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maybe 20 feet because they've never thrown a whip.
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And then some of these smaller people with more precision or myself who got
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their record, I can make the whip go 300.
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I don't remember where it was at that point, but like 300 foot down.
28:39
So it's like, can you hit something within this window, 300 feet or roughly
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100 meters away from you?
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That is by far the more challenging thing to do. Yeah.
28:49
Fascinating god damn okay i
28:52
have a question in i'm listening
28:56
to this and i'm thinking like i've never thought of
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attempting for a guinness world record like not that i have one in mind but
29:03
it's never been a thought path for like my career and before you got a guinness
29:10
world record was that a plan to like help advance your career by having this sort of notoriety or,
29:17
Or it just kind of happened after that and then you realized?
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And is it something that performers should try to achieve to sort of help their
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path as a performer? To get better events or be seen more?
29:32
It wasn't like a marketing goal at first.
29:35
I was teaching a whip class at a festival and someone asked,
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what's the longest whip you have?
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And then the next person, what's the longest whip in the world? I'm like, I don't know.
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I'm going to go Google this. So I looked it up and like, oh,
29:45
I don't remember what I thought at the time. It's like, it's not that long.
29:49
It's not that long. I could make like a whip this long.
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So the first thing I tried wasn't the longest whip ever cracked.
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It was the longest fire whip. That's why I started at like 100.
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And then I'm like, oh, yeah, no, we can do this. And then we can set it on fire.
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So I just did the longest fire whip, which was my first target.
30:05
And then we just increased that whip up until a certain point.
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I think that was when I got the Guinness World Records before I switched to nylon. because
30:13
throwing kevlar just sucks so bulky
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and thick and heavy comparatively to like
30:19
throwing nylon whips how heavy is it how much does
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something like that weigh had the i think
30:25
the the nylon version had a world record of the heaviest width ever cracked
30:31
at 22.6 kilograms it was like 45 pounds yeah no it was it was ridiculous so
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then once i got it over a certain point, I realized I was pretty darn close to the world record.
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I was like, shoot, I'll go for it. I'll fill out the paperwork.
30:49
I'll research it. I'll do it.
30:50
I got the record and I'm like, okay, this is fun.
30:54
And then the next one was the, the.
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The whip jenga and people are like this would be a fun record
31:00
as well so then it's like okay let's try for
31:03
that and then when i started doing that one that's
31:06
when guinness got a hold of it it's like we want to
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put this in our book like how can we partner this
31:11
so and then i think the today's show in the united states
31:14
they also called and they wanted to do a segment on it so like can you
31:17
break this world record on our television show so then
31:20
there's a video of me attempting that on the today show so
31:23
then it's like oh this is a nice segue into
31:26
getting on because james corden show is
31:29
another one who aired it so like let me use this as a
31:32
way of getting more gigs and then eventually
31:35
it was like well we like that you did this record could you
31:38
do a different one like okay sure i'll do this one and like italy's got talent
31:43
was like oh so like fire jenga i think germany's got their version of germany's
31:47
got talent was das super talent they wanted the fire one fire whip Jenga and
31:53
then a few other ones wanted like I said Russia wanted the blindfold version.
31:58
And then just like oh Italy wanted arrow catching and
32:02
I was like okay you know what this is just going to be a thing I'm just
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going to start chasing me so I started chasing like talent shows
32:08
and world records and then then
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I just kept doing it and now I have 23 Guinness
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World Records I think four world records
32:17
with various org 40 world records with various organizations wow
32:20
seven in the like notebook
32:24
that i can pull out when needed if
32:27
somebody calls me up and says we need a guinness world record what can you do
32:30
and i'm like this one's here it's set it's practiced i could probably break
32:34
it tomorrow well see the thing is all these records are so diverse you've got
32:39
you got cards fire jenga fire loops card shopping knife throwing out of all
32:45
these ones that you've done,
32:47
Which to you is, was the most challenging and, or, and, or the most meaningful and why?
32:54
Well, I can, the most meaningful. So the first foot longest whip,
32:57
and then the next one was probably the loudest whip.
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Like that's the one I am really, really proud of.
33:03
So proud of, that's a 10 foot bull whip. I got it tattooed to scale on my body.
33:09
So it runs from here, wraps around.
33:13
I'm not going to take off my clothes on a podcast, but uh you
33:17
can just like look it up on instagram like it it
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goes all the way around this leg all the way
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around again up my body up through
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around here across the back up onto the shoulder up down and it's tattooed on
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my back so it's a two scale 10 foot width and that was the loudest width cracked
33:36
world record through guinness yeah so like that was just like that was a i wanted
33:41
to do that because it combined shockwaves.
33:45
So my specialty is acoustics. So computational fluid dynamics also deals with acoustics.
33:50
A lot of my primary projects I worked on for SLS was in the acoustics realm.
33:56
I had whip cracking in my background.
33:57
I had compressible flows in my background, which is basically supersonic flows.
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I had the mechanical engineering.
34:04
So I wanted to combine that all into one thing. So that's when I'm like, I want this record.
34:08
I really want to work this record. I worked at it a ton.
34:12
I designed that with, I made that with my, like, I'm the one who graded it.
34:17
I set it up. I did it. Like, that's the one that might not have taken the most
34:22
amount of work from a like physical training aspect, but it was the one that
34:27
I'm like, this is what I want to do with it because it brings so many elements of my life together.
34:33
But importantly, can you do this?
34:45
Yes oh don't don't tell me can do the better version okay,
34:50
now i'm sure i'm sure that in amongst all these amazing attempts there's probably
34:54
been some failures probably stuff worthy of a gig story josh what do you say
34:59
to me for a gig story i think we gotta do it let's go.
35:06
So gig stories is a section of the show we like to talk
35:09
about moments of magic or indeed breaking world records
35:12
starting this week with a story from josh josh
35:15
tell us a story let's do it i did an
35:18
event for well it was in brisbane city we had
35:22
river fire on the weekend which is a big fireworks sort
35:24
of festival and some fighter jets fly over anyway i
35:28
go in to perform for this company that
35:31
has a nice little balcony venue outdoor to watch
35:34
all of this happen but i'm kind of performing right in between
35:37
like the jets going off and then the fireworks
35:41
would be at the end of my set and the the
35:43
jets were late and so i'm performing to a group and
35:46
i can see they're at they're at a cocktail table that's like perfectly at the
35:51
sky and this one guy really wants to film this jet because it flies so fast
35:56
but it's so low as well and anyway this woman's like no watch the magician because
36:01
you know it hasn't come yet we'll know when the jet's coming so i start performing
36:05
he He turns around to watch me.
36:06
Oh, the sound comes. Right. Okay, sorry.
36:10
No, no, you're absolutely right. So a minute goes by, he's performing,
36:13
and we hear the sound, and he's like, oh, it's coming.
36:16
And, yeah, because the sound is delayed because it's so fast,
36:18
he looks and the jet's already gone.
36:20
And he's like, and he went to film it and he missed it. And like, oh, damn, so sorry.
36:24
Anyway, the jet, like, does a, yeah. And so he should have known that. What an idiot.
36:30
And then the jet flew back again.
36:34
He didn't realize that would happen. So they've gone, oh, well,
36:37
whatever, come back to watch me. And then they've heard the sound again,
36:39
looked back again, missed it again.
36:41
And so hopefully I really had
36:45
a due diligence to like make the magic worth missing this jet flyby twice.
36:51
But, you know, that's what happens sometimes. You just got to take into account
36:57
that the sound doesn't travel as fast.
37:00
Yeah, 50 miles offshore or from wherever a rocket launches. It's roughly five
37:06
miles per second. That's how you can guesstimate how far a storm is.
37:09
See lightning, you count to five. That's one mile, count to ten.
37:12
That's two miles. So that can be, what, a minute 15?
37:16
So 75 seconds later from when you hear to when you see a rise in the air. That's what I told him.
37:22
He's so stupid. That's just common knowledge at this point. Yeah.
37:27
Not everyone knows that.
37:28
What about you doug do you have any have you had any weird requests
37:31
at trick supply for like this week at trick supply
37:34
just been an amazing cavalcade of superstars
37:38
you've had some amazing guests we have the highlight
37:41
for sure was matt king coming in the store nick nick
37:44
k shows up with russ nussbaum from tannins and
37:48
they bring in mac so that you know that i
37:51
did the happy dance after that visit and then
37:54
like alan eckerman was in the store saturday the friday
37:57
before that james the mayor was in the store james
38:01
the mayor what a talent jason byrne
38:04
joseph gabriel has been a regular he comes in a
38:07
couple times a month now and mandre it's
38:11
so nice to be in the thick of it all in the store but
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yeah that's my gig story i hung out with matt king for a half
38:17
hour at work pretty cool damn i mean
38:20
that well living the
38:23
dream most of the time that's great man.
38:26
And it's it's a cool store i spent i spent a day in
38:29
there and again folks were popping in to say hi and it was just it's
38:32
a really cool place for sure we opened the
38:35
theater of magic here in melbourne this weekend which went
38:38
off fantastically yeah buddy yeah so
38:42
april's if you're not aware we have the theater of magic originated in
38:46
brisbane there's now two venues in queensland and we've
38:49
been expanding ever since there's now a total of four venues once here
38:52
in melbourne where i live and another one's just opened up in boston so it's
38:57
it's really cool so the amazing nigel flew down and we performed alongside each
39:02
other which was awesome but it was really fun because after the first set it
39:06
was great and it was an earlier show full house good fun and he was just like.
39:11
All right, man, I'm going all out the next show. I felt like I was holding back.
39:16
So you better bring your A game. And I'm like, love it.
39:19
And I was like, all out. It goes all out. So there's nothing left.
39:22
I'm like, let's do it. Let's just, let's just go nuts.
39:25
And so he went all out and he was killer. And I'm like, and I got to follow
39:29
his act and his act is phenomenal. Right.
39:31
So I got to follow it. And so anyway, I'm like, all right, cool.
39:33
I'm going all out. So I get, I'm, I'm, I'm headlining the show. So I'm doing my set.
39:38
And I thought I'm going to actually try and make this really personal and like
39:41
really hit the heartstrings and try and do and i did and i did to the point
39:45
where so i finished my cups and balls act is a super personal piece which i
39:49
don't want to say it because i don't want to spoil it but it's really really cute
39:52
and i finish it up and basically what i do is it's i explained that like okay
39:57
so the my act is that like when i'm first generation born here in this country
40:01
and growing up i didn't want to be like we used to work in the family business
40:05
and we had a fruit shop and which is a very common thing for Greek ethnic folk
40:09
to be when they first come here.
40:11
We're all fruiterers of concrete layers was the thing, right?
40:13
But I didn't want to be a fruiter. I wanted to be a magician.
40:16
People would come from around to see me perform this act. And I would say to
40:18
them, hey, this isn't a magic show. It's a fruit shop. My granddad comes because
40:22
he'll get mad at me and clip me.
40:24
And they'll be like, cool. So when I do my act, I say that I'm performing it
40:28
as I did as I was a child. So I perform it and get everyone involved.
40:31
Good, good fun, childish jokes.
40:33
And then I produce six pieces of fruit and two coconuts and,
40:37
and then, so for my hat and so forth.
40:39
And then I, I, at the end I go, and remember, this isn't a magic show.
40:43
And I pull a kabuki drop and it rolls up front of my table and it says Nick's fruit shop.
40:47
On that and so finish the
40:50
show and i'm like and remember this isn't a magic show and i pull
40:53
it's a fruit shop and i stand aside and i take a bow and everyone
40:56
just stood up and gave me a standing o and it was
40:59
just such a nice moment and i've got video of
41:02
it and i'm looking at carrie i'm just going like are you seeing this like i
41:05
was almost brought to tears it was so great because i had a room filled
41:08
with like some family some friends you know
41:11
like and some absolute strangers who were just loving that
41:14
and it was the first it was our first opening show like it
41:17
was the first show you know what i mean so it was kind of important to make a good
41:20
impact i know we're doing a good job and so that was so fantastic to
41:23
to have like a great opening and so carrie who's
41:27
you know who's started all this like he was super proud and
41:30
happy that it went so well and for me i was just like
41:33
good like it all went the way it was supposed to and now
41:36
josh and i will be doing one for those listening
41:39
october 4th he's flying down from melbourne to
41:43
melbourne and we'll be on the show and it
41:46
is going to be so epic two-thirds of
41:49
the magic guys it's you know what we're gonna have to talk about this because we
41:51
have a we do similar styles we have very much different effects obviously but
41:57
yeah we're both like you know good sleight of hand artists and and so we're
42:01
gonna have to talk about that we're gonna have to commit to our set lists and
42:05
yeah do a thing for sure yeah absolutely like you know you see a watch you're
42:10
like no no it's my turn to use someone's.
42:13
Hey what about boston though you guys are
42:16
going international with this thing huh boston is that is
42:19
that live is there are they selling tickets now christopher wayne is based in
42:23
boston now with the naked magicians and also made a deal with the hotel they've
42:28
opened the theater magic they've done their first month and so far it's it's
42:32
going super well they're doing it i believe they're just doing it monthly right
42:36
now, test the waters, iron things out.
42:39
Also, he's got to fit in between his scheduling of the Naked Magicians.
42:42
But yeah, look at Boston.
42:44
It's, you know, it's... I'm going to be in Boston.
42:48
So you are when are you well i'm going
42:50
to be oh yeah well
42:54
that may future stuff maybe we don't know when we
42:57
will but april a whole career's worth of gigs tell
43:00
us what what's a fun gig story crazy wild what
43:03
do you have for us we got to hear you've broken more records than i've had
43:06
girlfriends like that's crazy you've broken
43:09
more records than i've had girlfriends like it is just nuts
43:12
yeah but what is that who yeah i'm gonna
43:18
play off the the sound and delay and the loudest
43:21
whip one and there's all if
43:25
you're gonna do a whip show tell the hotel beforehand like you have to call
43:29
them like the number of times i've had either shots fired call or weird things
43:33
that happened there's one time i'm doing a gig in chicago and i have a rehearsal
43:38
time i go there and one of the sections is like i want to, you know,
43:42
make some really loud whip cracks.
43:44
So I make the really loud whip cracks. I'm like, okay, I got through my rehearsal time. I'm good.
43:48
So I walk out of there and I walk by the con ops, the, the, the operations convention center.
43:56
And I can hear like the police talking to the staff and I'm like,
44:01
okay, I'm curious what happened. Let me listen in.
44:03
And they got a call for shots fired in the hotel. Yeah.
44:08
The united states oh yeah that
44:11
was a fun thing to then have to be like oh man
44:14
i have to go explain this to the police
44:17
to be like okay so i'm not going to start the sentence was that was me i'm like
44:21
hey just so you know and of course like i try to walk in there to explain this
44:25
and then the the convention security is like you're not allowed to be here we're
44:28
having like serious discussion this is something like no i'm trying to help
44:32
you solve this issue because you're gonna be like Like, where was it?
44:35
Like, apparently they cleared out a chunk of the hotel to try to figure out
44:38
where it came from. And they're like, oh, yeah, I was in the ballroom area.
44:42
And I'm like, huh, I was just there, like, maybe 10 minutes.
44:47
Oh, I know who that was.
44:53
I definitely know who that was. So that was a fun story to then have to explain,
44:57
be like, okay, so whips, make noise.
45:03
How loud are they in decibels depends on
45:06
how you measure them there's several different ways there's like decibel a
45:09
there's decibel b ones denoted specifically for human
45:12
sound so like in terms of the frequency spectrum you
45:15
have low frequency here high frequency here humans can
45:19
generally hear between like i think it's somewhere between 50 and
45:22
20 000 hertz depending on your age that upper
45:25
limit moves down as you grow older so we're measuring in
45:28
like the decibel a range the absolute peak when
45:31
measured in less than one millisecond is about 150 decibels
45:34
whoa written impulse which is like what's the
45:37
average decibel rating over five milliseconds they're about 120 130 that's where
45:42
i had my record and then there's basically decibel b i can't remember now between
45:48
the flip there it's an even spectrum all across then it's like okay it's not
45:53
within the human range still produces a lot of energy.
45:56
It's like rocket launches. It's primarily infrasonic. You can't hear the amount
46:00
of acoustic energy that occurs in that range.
46:03
So it kind of depends on how you're measuring impulse versus peak.
46:07
What's about as loud as like an ACDC concert?
46:10
Oh, I feel like they still have to follow OSHA recommendations.
46:14
So even though they're allowed to blast, there's a, this will make you deaf.
46:18
So I believe we still have limitations at like somewhere around 140 decibels
46:24
when it's sustained for more than two hours. Otherwise, you will deafen people.
46:28
So there's OSHA requirements, at least in the United States, on concert limits.
46:34
Yep. Same thing here. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
46:38
Big on looking after people's hearing, not so big on guns. Anyway.
46:46
So what I'm curious about is that I assumed that working for NASA would be an
46:51
almost all-encompassing, very important role, like this type of thing that would
46:56
consume you for like 16 hours a day.
46:58
Yet you still have an amazing ability to not only maintain your performance
47:03
life and your work life and your family life as well.
47:06
You know what I mean? Like, how do you juggle that?
47:10
Is it just all about time slicing or, you know, do you sort of have to prioritize
47:15
certain things and neglect others?
47:17
Yeah, I just ignore all of my girlfriends. Okay.
47:22
Yeah, it's time blocking. I think Harvard Business Review said time boxing is
47:28
the most useful productivity tool you'll ever have.
47:30
You could just Google like 100 most useful productivity tools,
47:34
like number one. And so it's like, OK, this is the time I need to allocate here.
47:38
This is what I'm going to dedicate to work.
47:40
When I was working operations, like that would change around for a second,
47:43
third shift, like 16 hour days, especially when you're on launch support.
47:47
CCP is Commercial Crew Program. When they do launches, like you just have to be there.
47:52
Otherwise, like I try my best to hold my boundaries when it's like one of my
47:56
partners was getting married.
47:57
So I said, hey, I know this is a launch weekend. I think that was the second
48:02
attempt for Artemis 2, which was like, that's my, that was my biggest passion
48:06
project at the time was like putting the first woman in person of color on the moon.
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Like I was not going to miss that, that opportunity until one of my partners,
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like I'm getting married that weekend.
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I'm like, okay, so guys, I'm going to miss work because I need to go be at this
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wedding because that's family is more important to me than work.
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So, and it came down to, I wanted to be part of, I don't know, like,
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mystify or something. It's like, I'm taking this time off. I don't care how
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important of a thing is coming here.
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I'm setting this boundary of like, I'm going to be here for this.
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I'm going to set at least an hour for a video call each week with my family,
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with my partners, a date night here.
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But I'm also going to say, hey, I need to write a show.
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I'm going to spend at least two hours this time block, sit down writing.
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And then I just, I try my best to commit to it.
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Doesn't happen all the time, but I try my best to commit to it and it seemed to work out for me so far.
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Now, speaking of weddings, you actually had a viral photograph from your wedding
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where you designed, you designed this yourself. Is that correct?
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Yeah, we made the wedding dresses. I mean, we came up with the concept.
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We set the lighting conditions and like the giant fire Django,
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which we didn't plan exposure there.
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We did a bunch of test shoots. So it's our dresses on
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fire so i already did a number of fire dresses
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photo shoots we had the photographers that we
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wanted to shoot our wedding we decided hey why don't
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we light ourselves on fire for our
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wedding photos so like the i think it was 120 news stories in 40 countries is
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when it went you can if you just google flaming lesbians for the first line
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uh oh thank you that made that so much easier to find. 69 search results.
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That's a lot of nudity in these results. If you Google it, it's like the first
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church is me and Bethany on fire for our wedding photo.
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I'm going to have to delete my search history now before I forget mine.
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Most recently you were designing It's a lot more safe for work when you just do vice vans.
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I saw recently you were designing some carbon fiber clothing,
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like some corsets and so forth. Is that a thing?
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Right in my I'm work I was working
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on one of them like 6am this morning too is
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I thought it would be fun and now I I have an idea
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I don't know how I'm gonna pull it off of quick change but with
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like gear not like you know sleek dresses which is our suits like I want solid
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like carbon fiber like bullet stopping capabilities but then instant change
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right so like re-rigging some of the
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tie such that you can change from like carbon fire, carbon fiber.
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I read fire because of Eric typing in there in the chat, carbon fiber that will
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change from like Kevlar to carbon fiber to something else. And like,
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that would be cool. Cause I don't think I've seen that anywhere.
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Like how cool would it be to switch from like armor, like a suit of steel into
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like a sexy nightgown or something else like that. That's what I thought. Love it. Love it.
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Now, look, I have dozens of more questions, but I'm going to ask one more as
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we slowly come to a close of the episode.
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And as we're talking about fire, you created the fire eating trictionary. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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Let's explore that. Tell us about it. Oh, this was I want to say I think it
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started that early 2014, finished the project 2016. I really wanted we.
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There wasn't a good amount of nomenclature because we had like 20 names for the same trick.
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So I wanted to bring the community nomenclature together. So I'm like,
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okay, this is a trick. Let's name it as a community.
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And then at that point, I was adminning the fire eating Facebook group,
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like one of the largest social media groups for fire eating.
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And then I was also like doing a bunch of fire eating content at the time.
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So I wanted to bring it together by saying, hey, let's take the tricks we know
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and put it together at a single resource.
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So it was, I think I'm going to say somewhere between 120 and 140 fire eating
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tricks that I got mastered, wrote down the names of, performed it,
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and then said, hey, this is the trick. This is the name for it.
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So then therefore, a fire eating community, I think it's, I don't know if it
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still is, but it was the largest fire eating resource, like trick resource online at the time.
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And therefore, like, Like you don't have to reference like Cassandra,
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Cassandra, right. Carissa Hendricks.
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She had a fire eating DVD long, long time ago. And like, that's where we like started the basis off.
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And then like Brian Bushwood did the Bible of fire eating. I forgot what it's
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called, like how to eat fire or something like that.
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They're like, okay, let's take all these names, put it together.
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And then release that as like a series of videos and eventually the whole thing together.
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So we had like a common language we could speak as fire eaters. Cool.
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And it's available at trick supply.com.
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Can people access this online you can just
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google like fire trickionary and like april jennifer choi will show up and it's
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all right you love i really love that heck yeah and april's website is linked
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in this description wherever you're listening to this scope it out i believe
53:30
i'm sure there's there's a bit more info on that book on your website, I'm guessing?
53:35
AprilGenzoy.com. The Fire Eating Trish Canary is now just a YouTube link.
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Gotcha. Got it. And are you working on another book? Is that something Nick,
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did I hear Nick mentioning that?
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I did not. But let's start a rumor.
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I heard you were shadowing. I heard you were shadowing. A clocking April Jennifer
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clocking Troy book coming out.
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People are asking for resources on clocking, and I think that we should just
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try and promote you writing a book about it.
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Oh, yeah. All the different methods of counting and clocking a deck.
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Here's a marketing ploy. 20 card tricks you can do in space.
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I got one. I was aware of this through Harry Lorraine and his epitome location.
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And he kind of simplifies that by restricting the choice or focusing on just reds or blacks.
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Yeah. When you're clocking the deck, you only have to do half of the work.
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So there's a reference. And let me also mention Paul Cummins has a trick called
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Apalak, which is probably the best clocking deck trick there is.
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Essentially, it gives the impression that your spectator is able to find your card.
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So you each pick card. Your spectator takes one out unknown to you.
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As you're taking the card out you know belongs to them, you clock the deck,
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and then you name the card that they have removed as your selection.
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So it's a killer clocking trick.
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Tapalak by Paul Cummins. That's such a good use for clocking.
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It really is. I mean, it's a spectator finding your card from a shuffled deck
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in use. Shuffled, borrowed deck, essentially.
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It was published in Magic Magazine, so if you have access to that file through
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a Genie subscription, you can find it there.
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Yeah. I also think that we should probably acknowledge that some of the things
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that you are doing are very dangerous art form, like the throwing knives and so forth.
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As we come to a close, I think it would be nice to sort of what sort of things
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should we keep in mind with regards to the safety involved with them doing things
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of fire and so forth. Yeah.
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Double check everything. Be as safe as possible. Wear your safety glasses.
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Wear a respirator. Be working on carbon fiber.
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I mean, I feel like we all know the safe thing. It's just we don't do the thing.
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Number one thing for safety is complacency. The number one thing that prevents
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safety actions is complacency.
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So try your best not to be complacent when you're doing dangerous stunts.
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Or just do it just you know you'll probably be you know it'll probably.
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22 year old 22 year old doug used
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to do fire eating in his act until he did it
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badly and burned his lip and yeah a lot of people
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think the because there's this weird overlap between like
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magic and danger acts that like when you
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do this act like is it legitimate i think john goodwin
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just did this talk because i was at his lecture for magic
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live and he talked about an arrow you know
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archery stunt with banachek
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as well because anna just did one i think currently
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she's working on agt so it's like oh they're doing
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it but some of them did it in a magical manner which
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was very very very safe and then some people do a
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mix and then like for a lot of my arrow catching stunts that's
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100 straight up real like it is
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cutting an arrow that is flying at
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me and sharp like that that's just a
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lot of people like oh you what's the method of doing that like how
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did you get that so that no i just it's straight up real so like there's that
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area where it's like okay i know you know that i'm a magician these are the
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dangerous parts please don't do it i think i just saw a video on your instagram
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where you whipped the trigger of an arrow and it so the whip went that way then
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the arrow fired this way and then you caught it.
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Yeah, that's one out there. There's I have a lot of arrow catching videos now.
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My my one that I'm working up toward is trying to whip a bow,
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shoots an arrow at me and then blindfolded.
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I cut it with a sword and it breaks.
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Eventually, I want to be able to get that tight enough that I can put it on
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a stage and not destroy a multimillion dollar screen.
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Because I did try, I have tried to film that on stages, but I didn't realize
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a lot of places, like if you look at the background of like AGT,
57:46
it's a display screen. That's how they get all the animations on there.
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It's a multi-million dollar screen. It's not just if I miss, they exit.
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If I miss, I destroy a multi-million dollar screen that I will never be able to afford to replace.
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They're like, we can't have this in a way that you're aiming
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the bow at the people at the stagehands or
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at the screen so i'm like okay i need to rework this so
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it's a little bit more consistent but if you tell them you'll
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also do a quick change in it like while that's
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happening they'll be sold they'll be sold like the
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arrow the arrow pulls the end of your
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dress or your your suit the samurai you know
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and it changes it oh yeah i could have like armor
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and be like shoot it at me and then at the very very end
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and see me like catch it quick change turn
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into a white dress yeah this is great
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i like this is going maybe the arrow is once i do
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this absolutely so this is good everyone just don't listen to this this is our
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idea so you've got the let's say it's a silver armor suit fluoro green arrow
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the arrow gets shot at you hits you boom turns into a fluoro green outfit come
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on that's you know i'm just Usain.
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Remember us when you run earth, it sounds like that's where we're heading.
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Look, we're out of time already, but I encourage everyone to go in and look at all of these videos.
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They're amazing, either on April's YouTube or on Instagram. All those links
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are below in the socials.
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But we want to end our episode in the way that we do with all our guests,
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which is to give our guest the final word.
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Hey everyone thanks for listening i'm april jennifer choy
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you can find me magic events and circus events
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around the world the one that i'm helping will produce is mystified magic festival
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it's going to be in and we're doing it supports women and minorities in the
59:50
magical arts so please google it find their social medias give us a follow and i hope to see you there,
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Thanks for listening. It's time for us to disappear now. Disappear now.
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But we'll see you again on the next episode of The Magic Guys.