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ITB Week 2 Postgame Show: Jalen Hurts Does It AGAIN In Fourth Quarter Slaying Of Titans · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to the Inside the Birds post-game show. Week
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: two is in the books. I'm Jeff Mosher, that's Adam Kaplan.
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  Speaker 2: The Eagles pull victory out of the jaws of defeat.
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  Speaker 2: They beat the Titans on a last-second drive, and it
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  Speaker 2: looked like all hope was lost, but they win 24-20. Adam,
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  Speaker 2: it just feels, I know it's two weeks, but the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles have been doing this for years, right?
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  Speaker 1: It just feels like this is.
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  Speaker 2: Going to be another one of those years where The
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  Speaker 2: fans get sent to the medicine cabinet for the Pepto,
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  Speaker 2: for the, what do they call it, the Rolaids. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this team just loves to kind of lull you at
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  Speaker 2: times and then snap out of it when they need
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  Speaker 2: it the most.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's funny. I was texting a friend of mine
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  Speaker 3: late in the game. He goes, what do you think?
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  Speaker 3: I said, Hertz is pretty out of control here. I
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  Speaker 3: know the pass rush is starting to get to him.
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  Speaker 3: I said, they're going to pull it out. I said,
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  Speaker 3: I just feel like he's going to pull it out somehow.
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  Speaker 3: You never know what the way it's going to look.
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  Speaker 3: And they did. And Darius Cooper, the hero. So my
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  Speaker 3: opening thoughts would be, despite the injuries, the big one
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  Speaker 3: at Dallas Goddard, who was to the only positives is
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  Speaker 3: that he was never downgraded. He was listed as questionable.
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  Speaker 3: And he was also in uniform the entire time, but
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  Speaker 3: he never came back in after the catch effect. You
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  Speaker 3: could see emotion. He said, hey, come get me. He
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  Speaker 3: had to come out. And he never went back in
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  Speaker 3: early in the first quarter. And then and then Barkley
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  Speaker 3: had the stinger. He missed most of the game, did
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  Speaker 3: come back, and then left late. So that's obviously a concern.
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  Speaker 3: And we'll learn more over the next 48 hours. But
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  Speaker 3: it's a gutsy win. This is a surviving advance game.
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  Speaker 3: They found a way to win. Didn't run the ball well,
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  Speaker 3: but Hurts was magnificent when it counted. Yeah, the two
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  Speaker 3: picks were clearly on him. The last one to Smitty,
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  Speaker 3: he beat the defense. I threw it to the Harris
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  Speaker 3: the nickel. But overall, I really like what I saw
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  Speaker 3: from Hurts. And by the way, and we'll say it again,
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  Speaker 3: for those of you who say he won't throw the
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  Speaker 3: ball over the middle, I present the first half to you.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know how many throws he had over the inside?
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  Speaker 3: The numbers is what the term is. Right. The phrase.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I was like, this is like not what
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  Speaker 3: they've done in the past. This is true West coast offense.
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  Speaker 3: And they did it without Goddard. That's another plus and
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  Speaker 3: hurts his cap and Sean Mannion's cap. And it's like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, he could have just bailed on it. Mannion.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't, he said, we're going to run our offense.
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  Speaker 3: And he did.
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  Speaker 1: You know what?
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  Speaker 3: Smitty was huge. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: What I really liked about this game, Adam is on
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  Speaker 2: a day where. your offensive line is reconfigured and it's struggling.
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  Speaker 2: Protections weren't great. Free rides too often to the quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: which is not always on protection, but on your scheme.
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  Speaker 2: When you're going through a lull in the third quarter
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  Speaker 2: and then your back is against the wall, it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: become then for this team about the play call, the
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  Speaker 2: protection scheme, all that. It comes down to do your
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  Speaker 2: best players make the plays they have to make. And
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts and Devontae Smith especially with Saquon not being 100%.
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  Speaker 2: At that point were their two best players, and they
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  Speaker 2: needed them. And I know that Cooper had the touchdown catch,
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  Speaker 2: and it was a very nice– it was a well-schemed play,
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  Speaker 2: but it was all about Jalen Hurts and Devontae Smith,
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  Speaker 2: like you said, in that rhythm, executing the West Coast offense,
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  Speaker 2: pitch and catch, toe-tapping from Devontae Smith. That's what you–
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  Speaker 2: when you got talent like that and they come through–
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  Speaker 2: You can't take it for granted because it doesn't always happen.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't happen every game. That was really poetry in
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  Speaker 2: motion on that final drive. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And this, by the way, folks, as I've pointed out,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how many times this year, and I'm not,
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  Speaker 3: Eagles have enough talent at receiver, but I've pointed out
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  Speaker 3: the Niners game. You don't have to have an abundance
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  Speaker 3: of talent in the West Coast ovens to win. You
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  Speaker 3: need to run the scheme efficiently. Guys have to execute.
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  Speaker 3: They're doing that. They did it way better this game.
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  Speaker 3: And it was impressive. And Darius Cooper, who, He beat
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  Speaker 3: out Hollywood Brown. Hollywood Brown was used on two runs.
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  Speaker 3: One was a nice one. The second one was called
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  Speaker 3: back due to penalty. But he's clearly the four. Mekhi
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  Speaker 3: Lemon is the three. You continue to use motion. We'll
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  Speaker 3: get to defense later. I would say motion was way
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  Speaker 3: more effective in this game than it was in week one.
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  Speaker 3: There's more motion to motion. I know that this is
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  Speaker 3: going to be part of their offense. They mixed in
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  Speaker 3: under center and shotgun.
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  Speaker 4: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Looked to me like they did more shotgun in the
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  Speaker 3: first game, but I don't have the numbers yet.
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  Speaker 1: No, I would agree. I think so too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yep. And we should mention, we knew Drew Kennan
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  Speaker 3: was going to start. That was a lock. It was just,
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  Speaker 3: he's going to start at center left guard. He started center.
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  Speaker 3: Jurgens moved to left guard. Drew is a natural center.
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  Speaker 3: Now this is his second start at center. He's only
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  Speaker 3: started two games. The last one before this one was at,
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  Speaker 3: was against the commandos week 18 last year. But overall
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  Speaker 3: they held up. They did give up a lot of pressure,
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  Speaker 3: but they also stood tall when it mattered. Boy, was
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  Speaker 3: their protection great for Hurts and he delivered big time. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Very, very– on that last drive, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, on that last drive, yes.
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  Speaker 1: On that last drive, they were good.
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  Speaker 2: So let's talk about the offense because they were facing
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  Speaker 2: an uphill battle from the start for two reasons. One,
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  Speaker 2: obviously the offensive line was reconfigured. They made the decision
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  Speaker 2: to go with Kendall at center, which is his natural position.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get into that in a second. Move Juergens to guard.
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  Speaker 2: And listen, it was ugly at times. Clearly, the Titans
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  Speaker 2: were ready for it. They put a lot of guys
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  Speaker 2: at the line of scrimmage. And we said this on
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  Speaker 2: the pregame show. You can't factor in week one. We knew,
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  Speaker 2: we discussed all the players that the Titans brought in
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  Speaker 2: on defense, especially on the front. Maybe in the back end,
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  Speaker 2: they're still leaky, which we saw. But they've got some
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  Speaker 2: pretty decent players up front, including Jeffrey Simmons, we know about.
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  Speaker 2: And we thought that they were going to respond better.
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  Speaker 1: And they did.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought some of the scheming that Salah did
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  Speaker 2: to try to create free rushers, to try to create
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  Speaker 2: one-on-one matchups against Juergens and against Kendall worked for the
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  Speaker 2: most part. Because after the first two drives, three drives,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the Eagles really had trouble Jalen was running
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  Speaker 2: around a lot, but I will say Jalen made some absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Terrific throws in this game. He hit wicks while he
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  Speaker 1: was getting clobbered by Jeffrey Simmons. He hit the touchdown.
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  Speaker 1: He threw to Devante in the first half.
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  Speaker 2: It was a beautiful, like just roll a little bit
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  Speaker 2: out of the pocket, make a nice throw. What was it,
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  Speaker 2: third and nine on the second drive where he hits
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  Speaker 2: Lemon for 14 yards over the middle, moves the chains.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Jeffrey Simmons says we want to make Jalen
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  Speaker 2: Hurts into a quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Well, guess what?
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  Speaker 2: His best plays today came from inside the pocket. So
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  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Simmons and the Titans, you wanted to make Hurts
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  Speaker 2: a quarterback? He was today in this game, and they
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  Speaker 2: paid the price. So I really think when your structure
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  Speaker 2: is hurt, right, you're running back, your star player is hurt,
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  Speaker 2: banged up. He came back in the game. but the
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  Speaker 2: running game overall was not good again. And protection was
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  Speaker 2: having issues for Hertz to make those throws to survive
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  Speaker 2: a lull and then come back with the fourth quarter drive.
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  Speaker 2: It says a lot about him.
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  Speaker 3: And not taking that sack or intentional grounding. Hertz somehow
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  Speaker 3: muscled it because he's having a strong base. It's strong.
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  Speaker 3: Lower body is so critical. It just, that's a huge
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  Speaker 3: play not to get a penalty there because it's a
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  Speaker 3: loss of down. The clock runs off. They have no
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  Speaker 3: timeouts left.
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  Speaker 1: So, right.
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  Speaker 3: That was big. And, To do that, again, to have
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  Speaker 3: a game-winning drive with no timeouts left, I don't care
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  Speaker 3: what you say about the Titans' defense. They have a
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  Speaker 3: good front. They're playing a wide nine. They got heat
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  Speaker 3: on Hurts repeatedly. Yes. I mean, they were credit with
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  Speaker 3: six hits. I'd like to know how many actual quarterback
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  Speaker 3: pressures they had.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: Simmons was an absolute man in the kids'– Stonehouse, Stackhouse,
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  Speaker 3: whatever his name is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah. He came in, and we talked about John
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  Speaker 3: Franklin Myers as well. Stonehouse, yeah. Yeah. But overall– This
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  Speaker 3: is a gutsy win. It's a gutsy win. They got
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  Speaker 3: some stuff they got to clean up. They have some injuries.
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  Speaker 3: Hunt left the game late. I don't know what it is.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't list them because it was so late. We'll
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  Speaker 3: see if he's listed in the injury report. But they
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  Speaker 3: got to lick their wounds. They have some extra time
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  Speaker 3: because they play at Chicago next Monday night.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So the practice week won't start until Thursday. That's when
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  Speaker 3: the first injury report will come out. But overall, this
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  Speaker 3: is a pretty good win. And you have to be
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  Speaker 3: pleased with a passing game. I don't care what people say.
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  Speaker 3: The passing game, other than the protection issues, was really good.
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  Speaker 3: But the run game, the big negative, the run game
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  Speaker 3: is awful, to be honest with you. I give Bixby
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  Speaker 3: credit and Shipley credit having to play major roles, but
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  Speaker 3: they cannot really run very well inside. They had a
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  Speaker 3: couple nice runs. Bixby, physically, I mean, yards after contact
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  Speaker 3: was nice, but overall they can't run the ball very well.
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  Speaker 3: But I say that they control the clock and save
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  Speaker 3: the third quarter. They just kept going free and out.
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  Speaker 3: But they dominate time possession in the first half. And overall,
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  Speaker 3: they dominated because they had the ball late. But they
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  Speaker 3: got to run the ball better. That's something they have
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  Speaker 3: to keep working on. I agree.
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  Speaker 2: I think you can dominate time and possession like that
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  Speaker 2: against the Titans. I don't know if you can do
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  Speaker 2: that against the Bears, the Jags, and the Rams coming up.
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  Speaker 1: So I do agree.
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  Speaker 2: I think if they don't figure out a way to
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  Speaker 2: run the ball better and more effectively, it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be trouble.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know. I think they do have to reevaluate.
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  Speaker 2: What they did on the offensive line in terms of
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  Speaker 2: personnel usage by playing Kendall at center and Juergens at
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  Speaker 2: left guard, they have to make sure inside the building
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  Speaker 2: that Kendall really is the best guy.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not maybe playing Lampkin at center. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: They just have to, what I'm, I'm not trying to
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  Speaker 2: offer a solution. What I'm just saying is they got
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: to look at the tape and say, is all of
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  Speaker 2: this something, a foundation we can build on there's correctable
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  Speaker 2: mistakes with experience, or are we playing the right people
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  Speaker 2: in the right spots? I'm not saying they're not, I'm
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  Speaker 2: just saying they need to look at it and make
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  Speaker 2: sure they're doing, the right things because it was ugly
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  Speaker 2: there for a little, for, for a while, actually.
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  Speaker 3: It was the interior. I mean, it is again, it's
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  Speaker 3: Kendall's natural spot, but they made a decision earlier in
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  Speaker 3: the week as we understood it, that they were going
• 9:51
  Speaker 3: to go with Kendall at, at, at center. Although I,
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: I know they could try, try some configurations, but it's just,
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  Speaker 3: it made so much sense. I know it, laugh when
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: the media somehow bought that because when Jalen was asked about, oh,
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: you know, who you've been working with, I've been working
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  Speaker 3: with Kim the whole time. Obviously, he wasn't going to
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  Speaker 3: give it away. But bottom line is they stuck with it.
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  Speaker 3: They stuck with what they practiced mostly. And you're right.
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  Speaker 3: It's a fair point. But you don't want to keep
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: yo-yoing this because Dickerson's got to buy rules, got to
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: miss at least three more games. And you don't want to,
• 10:22
  Speaker 3: you don't want to go back and forth. It's not,
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  Speaker 3: it's not for the continuity and the timing. Right. And, and,
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  Speaker 3: and for Hertz, he wants to know who's going to,
• 10:29
  Speaker 3: who's going to be snapping the ball to him. You
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  Speaker 3: got to get that straight during the week. And now again,
• 10:33
  Speaker 3: they do have extra time for the coaches to go
• 10:35
  Speaker 3: over it. But I'm just, if you're an Eagles fan
• 10:39
  Speaker 3: and I guess 95% of you are who are listening,
• 10:42
  Speaker 3: you have to be pleased with the passing game. You
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: really have to, I, again, they don't control who they play. Look,
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  Speaker 2: So I'm glad you brought that up because I want
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  Speaker 2: to revisit a conversation we had in July. All right.
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  Speaker 2: And it's some, it became polarizing because another outlet had
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  Speaker 1: People thought it was rabble rousing.
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  Speaker 2: It's not, are you willing to accept more, interceptions from
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: Jalen hurts leads to more touchdowns because he's taking more chances.
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  Speaker 1: He's throwing the ball where you want it.
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  Speaker 2: We, we use Sam Darnold last year, who's a super
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  Speaker 2: bowl champion, but he threw like 14 interceptions.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And I will point out that the first interception was
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  Speaker 2: a terrible throw.
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  Speaker 1: It was not good. There was nothing there. He shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: never thrown it.
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  Speaker 2: But after that, he came back on the second possession
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  Speaker 2: and made a couple of those really nice throws that
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  Speaker 2: I was, that I was discussing, you know, especially the
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  Speaker 2: third and eight, throw to Makai Lemon that got them
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  Speaker 2: close to the end zone.
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  Speaker 1: They scored a touchdown. Then he came back with more.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: And then of course his second interception on him, he
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: was hit while throwing. So I, if that's what left
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: it under thrown, I'm not going to kill him too much.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: The first one was.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: Worse, but nonetheless, he came back and then leads him
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: down the field. So as long as the interceptions aren't awful,
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: the first one was awful. The second one, he got hit.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: As long as it's compensating and you're taking, you're, working
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: the same routes and you're not trying to say like,
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: we have to like settle it down and run more
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: because he did that, then I think you're okay.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: I'm not that upset about the two interceptions. Okay. Even
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: if they would have gone down the field and stalled,
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: let's say it was a drop pass, I would have
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: no problem with those interceptions to respond to what you're saying.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: I want to see an aggressive passing game. Okay. This
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: is aggressive. I know they got behind, but I love
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: that they're throwing in the middle of the field. They
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: reduced the receivership. This offense helps these guys get open, okay?
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: Wicks is not going to win on wide splits, which
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: means he's out wide in previous schemes. They're not asking
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: him to do that very much. It's three quarters or
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: half in or half out. They're not asking him to
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: go out totally wide. He's not going to win. He's
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: just not that talented. But the scheme, he knows this
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: is a thing that's big on Wicks. Tough as nails,
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: knows where to go. He's on time. He's where the
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: ball needs to be. Smitty and Hertz obviously have that chemistry.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: Wicks and Hertz have that chemistry. Cooper and Hertz have
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: some chemistry, okay? They've used Cooper mainly to block, and
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: they sure as hell did today because they tried to
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: have him in after Goddard left. And Johnny Mudd, who's
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: averaged no more than 1.3 receptions per game over his career,
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: had two because they had to. In fact, they let
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: him up on the slot. I'm like, wait a minute.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Is that 83 Johnny Mudd? Because Grants and Kylan Grants
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: until the other side, he was inactive. Yes.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, on the other side, yes.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was inactive. Like, oh, yeah, that's right.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: They don't have another tight end. They should have EJ Jenkins,
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: who was a college receiver, but he could only block.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: But Wicks has looked great. I mean, you know, look,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: he's been great. It's working. I mean, it's working. Chicago
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: doesn't have a great secondary. It's okay. We'll look more
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: about that next week. But what we've learned through two
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: games is the positives are the passing game is developing.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Motion's working. They're doing a lot of different things. Hertz
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: is playing well. He's aggressive. You want that on your point.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: I like what Mannion's doing. They're helping receivers. Receivers are
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: executing routes. Offensive line's got pretty significant issues on the
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: run game. It's a big problem. We'll see how they
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: have some injury problems now. They're going to have to
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: do something good tight end. I don't even care if
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Goddard's cleared. Go get a tight end who can catch.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: I know Calcaterra's an IR. I get that.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: But, boy, it's... I hear you. It's a problem.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: I want to remind everybody listening, especially those who watch
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Eagles games as fervently as they can and maybe casually
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: watch other NFL games, the lulls that you see from
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: the Eagles may be a little bit more than the
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: average team, but if you watch almost every NFL game,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: you will see teams that just come out of the gates,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: then they get figured out a little bit, then they
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: get it going. It's not uncommon for good teams, all teams,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: to have the kind of lulls that we see the
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Eagles may have more of them than normal. And I'm
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: not trying to diminish the fact that last year they
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: have more three and outs than in like the history
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: of mankind, which is not good, but you know, for,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: for the, I know we've seen it already in the
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: first two games, like, Oh, what happened?
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: You come out, then you're in a little bit. Some
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: of that is just football.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: So I know people want to beat and bury the
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: bad teams. I get it, but it's a road win
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: in a place they had never won before. And I
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: don't know how you can not be excited about the
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: way they went down.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: It's a great win, man. It's on the road. You know, Eagles,
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: one of the best road teams in the National Football
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: League under Nick Sirianni. Hurts just shown tremendous heart. Having
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: that even keel, steely-eyed ability, it's just remarkable. He's just
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: really good at it. It's his fourth game-winning drive. 14th,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: excuse me, 14th. Pretty impressive. But they've got a major
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: issue running the football. I'll say this much. They were
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: committed to doing it, controlling the clock. Getting some balance
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: is great. They definitely did. They did that. But defensively,
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: I saw some stuff that's a concern. There's no question.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, let's get into it. You know, we'll get
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: more from Greg Cosell. A lot of people didn't like
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: the fact that he pointed out that Jalen Carter did
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: not have a big impact in week one.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: But Greg made it clear.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, he blocked a– you're right.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: It was all about on defense. I guess people forgot
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: But anyway, um this defense it almost feels like they're
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: going through it there's maybe there's obviously some great talent
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: and there's a little loose in areas that are surprising
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: you know giving up a long run like that to
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: um Tajay Spears on third and 22.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: That is not this Eagles defense.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: The way Cam Ward was really comfortable working play action
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: in the third quarter, especially when they went ahead, shows you,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: as you had said last week, that they really do
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: miss that outside beast of an edge rusher. And we're
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: waiting for Hunt to really turn it up. And he
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: does show it's not like he's having a bad two games,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: but they're really missing pressure in critical moments. And Cam
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Ward being able to pick them apart there is the
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: biggest key. And then, I don't know, Iominoard hurdles a
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: guy and gets 41 yards.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: That one's just going to happen.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: But there's just something about this defense giving up big
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: plays in critical moments that we are not accustomed to seeing.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're not giving up a lot of yards passing.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're not. Right. But they're just not able
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: to shut these teams down.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: The run defense is interesting. Like, they got off to
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: a great start. In fact, it was so bad, they
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: put on Nick Singleton. They put in Singleton, their rookie
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: from Penn State.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey, hey.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: He's a good player. Let's not say it's so bad.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Third stringer, though. He's the third back. They couldn't do anything.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: And then second, you know, I'm sure it had something
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: to do with them wearing down. It was between 93
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: and 97 the entire game with very low humidity. But
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: off the field turf, it's well over 100. So obviously
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: had to rotate. And we'll see what the snap counts
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: look like on Monday. But they wore down. There's no
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: doubt the defense wore down.
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  Speaker 3: Funny, I got to. It's ELEC. IU Manor. How do
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: I know this? Before we went on there, I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: life of him, and he said it immediately. Hey, it's
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  Speaker 3: a day in the life of me, Alec IU Manor.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, so it's a silent E. Okay. I
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: was calling him Alec.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Hey, what do you know?
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: I was calling him Elick.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: It's a big, tall, wide receiver from Stanford who can
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: make contested catches.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: How do you go find him?
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Dude.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I had to. I had to. But look, defensively, here's
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: what they don't have, is they don't have a finisher.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: They just don't. And that's where Gunnard comes in. Now,
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: whenever he plays, they projected within the first four games. Obviously,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: coming back, you can't expect them to play a ton.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: And we don't know what his condition will be like.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: They need someone who can finish. He has to be
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: the finisher because they've got plenty of depth. That's not
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: the issue. They have enough players. They need someone who
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: can finish.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: And that's what Epinesa does. He's a run defender who
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: can get some pressure, but he's not a pressure player.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, I know Vic hates the blitz,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: and we'll see what the blitz numbers look like. We
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: know they're a stunt team. I wonder if he'll start
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: blitzing more, because they've got to get more pressure on
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: the quarterback.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: So last year, for the first six or seven weeks,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I remember writing about this for Philly Voice.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: His blitz percentage was up.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Toward, like, upper half of the NFL, not top three,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: not top five. We're like 13, 14, 15 or something
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: like that. But we know for Vic Fangio, that's an
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: area that he doesn't typically like to be or want
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: to be. He felt like he had to be played
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: more mind coverage, did more blitz. And then as soon
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: as they got Jalen Carter, which coincided with the Kobe
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Dean coming back, it was almost back to like very,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: very scant blitzing. If anything, it was more sim pressure
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: with Dean coming as the fourth rusher and an edge
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: guy dropping.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I think especially coming up here with, you know, Stafford
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: and we'll see who the Bears quarterback is going to be.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I saw Carol Williams got hurt and then Trevor Lawrence.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, better offensive, better, more creative offensive minds.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I do think Vic's going to have to figure out
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: a way to scheme out pressure unless they.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Can get Grenard back. But you know this, like we've
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: talked about it.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Even if Grenard plays next game, can he play 60%
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: of the game?
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: It's hard to believe. I would expect him to be
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: able to reduce snap count. you know, and see, they'll
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: know by practice what he looks like and what his
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: levels are, the fluids and ability to recover. But it's
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: a problem. They just, this is why they made the trade,
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: by the way, they wanted to finish her. And unfortunately
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: he got hurt lifting weights, but all is not lost
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: because they're not, it's not like they're giving up 300 yards.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: They're not, they're not giving up a lot of yardage,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: but they're giving up big play here and there. You're
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: not going to pitch a shit out. It's hard to do.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: And, You mentioned the play to IU Manor. That was
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: a big one. And Calvin Ridley wasn't even targeted week one.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: A couple big catches. Right. A couple big catches.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, four to five plays.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Ridley, IU Manor, Robinson got one good on a slant.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: And then the big run by, well, Pollard had an 18-yarder.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: And then the big run by Spear.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: That's five plays. I don't want to say you take
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: away the five plays because they happened and they're important.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: But other than that, I guess if you took the
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: average yards per play on every single other Titans play
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: is very low. So I don't know what you take
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: from that other than they kind of tighten it up. And,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: you know, the whole point of the Fangio defense is
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: to limit explosives, especially over the top.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Now they didn't really get too many over the top,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: but now.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: You got to clean up underneath.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: In fact, Cardinal Tate was the best deep threat for
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: the draft. They couldn't get them deep. Now the thing is,
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: the reason why the secondary is giving up these plays
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: occasionally is because they can't get home and you can't
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: keep asking your defensive backs to keep holding the fort.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: You got to get pressure. And you got to wrap up.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: They're not wrapping up the quarterback. Hunt is not– like
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Hunt's getting pressure, but he's not wrapping him up. Carter
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: had the huge sack. He just totally broke through. Totally.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: He timed it up well, and he went right through.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: But they've got to figure out a way to get
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: more pressure. That's the thing. And if it's Tyson Bajent
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: for the next Monday night in Chicago, could scramble a little,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: but he's not– he's okay. They love him. What's that?
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: They like him. The Bears really like him.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: He's been a great story. He's represented by Jake Presser
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: from my high school, Cheltenham.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Just finishing this off. Also, special team special. Wow. Jake Elliott,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: huge kick. He looks great. He's healthy, 59-yarder. And Braden
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Mann is their co-MVP this season. He has been phenomenal.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: They've been good in coverage on on kickoffs and punts
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: that haven't had one break for i mean lane got
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: a like a 25 yard.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Or less but it wasn't really huge but um braden
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: man i'm told is one of the better holders believe
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: it or not i know it doesn't mean a lot
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: to people but if you want to go in football
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: it's a i'm told he's a phenomenal holder great that
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: matters i mean that stuff matters sure does as uh
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: as braden told us uh andrew to check on high
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: last year, when we were interviewing him on a local radio,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: he started his football career off in high school as a,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: as a linebacker. He was playing around as a, uh, uh,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: soccer guy or, or kick the ball around. And someone
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: saw him said, Hey man, you should kick the rest
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: of his history.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: You know how they say, like, we have a face
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: for radio. It's like, you got a tackling acumen for
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: a punder.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Why don't we move you over there?
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Look, so there's actually a lot more good than Baylor 2-0.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's obviously huge. We'll see what happens to
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: the Giants tonight. And then you've got Washington and Dallas
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: playing right now. That's it. So the Eagles are really
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: looking good in the division. The schedule is going to
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: get harder.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: We'll see. The good thing is they have a longer week.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: We'll see what the injury situation looks like, but– I
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  Speaker 3: think the biggest positive takeaway is the passing game. The
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  Speaker 3: people are saying, oh, it looks like the same one,
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  Speaker 3: which we point out was totally false. We did inside
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  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Coming up this week, we'll have a lot of, we'll
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: have both inside the tape offense defense.
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  Speaker 1: We'll have Birds Weekly.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get Derek Gunn and Barrett Brooks breaking it down
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  Speaker 2: from there. perspective inside the data i'm really curious to
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  Speaker 2: see some of the analytics that we discussed last week
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  Speaker 2: and how they carried into this week to check out
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  Speaker 2: daily will bring us all you know andrew brings us
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  Speaker 2: to check out daily from the locker room he'll get
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  Speaker 2: another rookie the rookie diary with michael morris i hope
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  Speaker 2: you're listening to it because this kid's got a lot
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  Speaker 2: of personality morris he's really been uh a fun listen
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  Speaker 2: and uh of course we have a ton more coverage
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  Speaker 2: coming up throughout the week as the eagles get ready
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  Speaker 2: for monday night correct monday night yeah actually at shytown
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  Speaker 2: yeah In Chicago against the Bears. That's going to do
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  Speaker 2: it for this episode of the Inside the Birds postgame show.
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  Speaker 1: That's Adam Kaplan. I'm Jeff Mosher. We'll catch you all
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  Speaker 1: on the next one.
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