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WBC insurance rejections, Red Sox-White Sox trade, Reds get Eugenio Suárez, Giants ink Luis Arráez · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome to a brand new live
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  Speaker 1: edition of Foul Territory. I'm pinch hitting for Scott bron.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Alana Rizzo, along with Aj Pierzinski and
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  Speaker 1: Eric Kratz. Great to be with you, guys. We have
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  Speaker 1: a big show today, so let's get to it. Gentlemen,
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  Speaker 1: good to be with you. As always. Time to charge
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  Speaker 1: the mount.
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  Speaker 2: Let's charging about.
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  Speaker 1: All right, lots to get to Let's start with the
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  Speaker 1: fact that aj a Uhennio Suarez finally has a home.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like he's going back to the Cincinnati Reds
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  Speaker 1: on what looks to be a one year, fifteen million
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  Speaker 1: dollar deal. Looks like he's going to primarily be the
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  Speaker 1: DH will play some third a little bit, but one
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  Speaker 1: of the hottest free agents in my opinion. Took a
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  Speaker 1: long time to get him there. But he has a home. Now,
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  Speaker 1: what do you make of it?
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  Speaker 3: Only one year? No, there's no other teams that could
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  Speaker 3: have taken j Hennio Suarez on for fifteen million for
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  Speaker 3: one year. I mean, I know he was in he
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  Speaker 3: was already in Cincinnati. It's a great place to hit,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm just shocked at this. Was it like this
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  Speaker 3: is where he ended up on a one year deal.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I look at a team and I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: say this, The Yankees, the Red Sox, they couldn't take
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  Speaker 3: Gino Suarez on a one year, fifteen million dollar deal.
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  Speaker 3: Even the Mariners couldn't take him back on a one year,
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  Speaker 3: fifteen million dollar deal. There's some teams out there that
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  Speaker 3: are close to competing that could have used this guy
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  Speaker 3: for one year fift I mean, I look at the Braves.
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  Speaker 3: If he's going to DH the Braves, I'd be a
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  Speaker 3: good spot for him. And if Austin Riley matt Olsen
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  Speaker 3: needs a day off, that's a good DH because they
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  Speaker 3: don't have Azuna anymore. So I'm just shocked he ended
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  Speaker 3: up in Cincinnati. Now, it's a ballpark factor, a familiarity thing.
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  Speaker 3: I get that. But good for the Reds man, the
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  Speaker 3: red should be stoked about this.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the Reds have got just gotten a lot
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  Speaker 1: better Eric and he hit what forty nine bombs last year?
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  Speaker 2: I believe that.
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  Speaker 1: And Juhannio Suarez hit I mean, that's a guy I
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  Speaker 1: thought was going to be scooped up a lot sooner
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  Speaker 1: than he was. Why do you think it took so long?
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  Speaker 1: And why do you think Cincinnati was ultimately the destination?
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  Speaker 4: Oh no, I hope I can bring when we bring
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  Speaker 4: Jim on that I can ask him what he said
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  Speaker 4: last week. He said, I asked a GM big lead
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  Speaker 4: GM earlier in the offseason. Well, why is nobody getting
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  Speaker 4: any interest? Why is au Hineusuaz not getting any interest?
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  Speaker 4: And he said, did you see what he got at
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  Speaker 4: the trade deadline? You know, I'm like, what is that like?
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  Speaker 4: Just because teams weren't on him at the trade deadline
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  Speaker 4: all of a sudden, like he's not like he's just
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  Speaker 4: completely viewed as somebody that's not valuable to a team.
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  Speaker 4: I've never heard anything bad about his clubhouse presence. He
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  Speaker 4: has not just fifty home run potential he had like
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  Speaker 4: he can he will hit fifty home runs because he
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  Speaker 4: has in his career.
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  Speaker 2: Will he this year? I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody knows that, Like you don't have a crystal ball.
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  Speaker 4: But for fifteen million dollars, the Red got forty plus
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  Speaker 4: home runs. In my opinion, they're gonna He's going to
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  Speaker 4: hit forty plus home runs in a lineup that maybe
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  Speaker 4: they all automatically get better because they have a dude
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  Speaker 4: in the lineup that's not going to allow you to
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  Speaker 4: get away with mistakes. And anybody that says, like for
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  Speaker 4: fifteen million for fifteen that, like, how do you not
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  Speaker 4: just add I don't care what the price is. He
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  Speaker 4: had fifty two home runs including the postseason. Did he
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  Speaker 4: slide down the stretch? Absolutely, he didn't do great. Did
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  Speaker 4: he hit some one of the biggest Grand Slams? Maybe
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  Speaker 4: the only Grand Slam I'm not sure in Mariner's postseason history? Yes,
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  Speaker 4: like this, this is a guy that you can insert
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  Speaker 4: in your lineup immediately, no matter where it is, and.
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  Speaker 1: Especially at Great American I can certainly see him hitting
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  Speaker 1: over fifty bombs. I mean that's a heck of a
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  Speaker 1: hitter's park, as you guys know better than anybody. And
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  Speaker 1: again it's just fifteen million on a I mean, fifteen
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  Speaker 1: million dollars to us is a lot of money. But
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  Speaker 1: for what he's going to give in terms of an
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  Speaker 1: impact in that lineup, you can't tell me that the
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  Speaker 1: Red Sox can't spend fifteen million dollars, especially if he's
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  Speaker 1: going to primarily be a DH Masa Taka Yoshida was
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  Speaker 1: the Red Sox DH last year. Not anything against Yoshida,
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  Speaker 1: but that is not who I want as a DH to.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm the Red Sox, how does he not go
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  Speaker 1: to a bigger market team.
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  Speaker 3: Aj I just asked that question, Lona, I don't understand
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  Speaker 3: this one. And also, here's my other thing. I've had
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  Speaker 3: many GMS. It was Jim Bowden this. There is no
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  Speaker 3: such thing as a bad one year deal for anybody,
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  Speaker 3: no matter how much. If it's one year, one hundred million,
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  Speaker 3: it's not a bad idea and a one year deal
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  Speaker 3: because you can always cut ties and move on if
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  Speaker 3: you're an organization. So listen. To say that he's a
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  Speaker 3: bad clubhouse guy doesn't work. To say that he's a
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  Speaker 3: bad defender. Okay, he's not Cabrian Hayes, but he's good enough.
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  Speaker 3: He's serviceable. He's not he strikes out too much. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: everyone strikes out too much. He also runs into forty eight.
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  Speaker 3: He runs into forty homers every year. Every time you
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  Speaker 3: see him, he's got a smile on his face. He
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  Speaker 3: can play in pressure. He proved that he can play
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  Speaker 3: under pressure. I just listen. Congratulations, Cincinnati redfans. This is
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  Speaker 3: one of those moves that you should be super proud
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  Speaker 3: about the other teams. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently the Red Spots never even made an offer to Sware.
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  Speaker 1: As you guys at the beginning of the off season,
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  Speaker 1: it seemed like a decent backup plan for them, of course,
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  Speaker 1: if they didn't land Alex Spragman, which they didn't because
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  Speaker 1: he went to the Cubs. And you can't tell me
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  Speaker 1: that they don't have the money. They got rid of
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  Speaker 1: two hundred plus million dollars when they for whatever reason
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  Speaker 1: decided to let Rafael Devers go to the San Francisco
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  Speaker 1: Giants in the second year of what was a ten
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  Speaker 1: year deal, So they have the money. They didn't know
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  Speaker 1: if Bregman was going to come back. They didn't even
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  Speaker 1: make him an offer. And Jason Mackie, he does a
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  Speaker 1: great job covering the Pittsburgh Pirates, was told that the
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  Speaker 1: Bucos offered the same aav on au Heennio Suarez. They
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  Speaker 1: were willing to go higher as well as at another year.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds like his choice came down to a better ballpark fit,
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  Speaker 1: as aj said, familiarity as he said as well, and
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  Speaker 1: a chance to cash in next year with the big season.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing now, right some of these
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  Speaker 1: guys if they wait forever or they have to wait
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  Speaker 1: forever to sign, Let's just do a one year deal
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  Speaker 1: and then re enter the free agency market again. Eric
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  Speaker 1: after the deal, Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 4: Mean and owner owner's teams. They love this good Go
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  Speaker 4: go get your money from somebody else. We'll take you
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  Speaker 4: for one year.
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  Speaker 2: We love.
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  Speaker 4: Teams love the one year deal. Teams love it. And
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  Speaker 4: for the Pirates, I'm sad. I'm sad that they did
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  Speaker 4: not get this done. I'm sad that there is a
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  Speaker 4: collusion in the league that a player that has forty
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  Speaker 4: nine home runs gets the exact same offer from multiple teams.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sad for the fact that they don't see what
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  Speaker 4: a great clubhouse guy and how hard it is to
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  Speaker 4: hit forty nine home runs and what kind of value
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  Speaker 4: that brings to a team who has playoff aspirations. Beginning
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  Speaker 4: off season, I did not believe the Pirates had playoff aspirations.
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  Speaker 2: I do now.
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  Speaker 4: I think they really do, and I would be I
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  Speaker 4: have a hard time believing they're gonna find thirty home
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  Speaker 4: runs at third base to replace Ahenio Suarez. And maybe
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  Speaker 4: he doesn't have a great year. Maybe Pirate fans will say, see,
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  Speaker 4: we shouldn't assigned him. I'm just sad that that teams
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  Speaker 4: won't put this extra money in to take that extra mile,
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  Speaker 4: because I know as a player, you put everything you
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  Speaker 4: have into this season, and I can see it in
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  Speaker 4: Paul's schemes. You see it in is the way he interacts,
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  Speaker 4: the way he's like, we just have to be better.
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  Speaker 2: He's he's all about winning.
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  Speaker 4: The different guys that they already got in there, Anio
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  Speaker 4: would be incredible to add to that lineup because this
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  Speaker 4: is the list of guys that last year in Major
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  Speaker 4: League Baseball hit more home runs than him, Aaron Judge,
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  Speaker 4: Shoe Otani, Kyle Schwarber, and obviously cal Rally.
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  Speaker 1: That's insane. So that begs the question.
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  Speaker 2: Why did.
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  Speaker 3: That's we don't know. But here's here's my thing. If
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  Speaker 3: we're talking fucking pirates, Okay, we've had this conversation. Pittsburgh
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  Speaker 3: Pirates do not have a great reputation as far as
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  Speaker 3: a winning b signing guys, keeping on whatever you want.
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  Speaker 3: The reputation amongst players and fans and I think people
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  Speaker 3: in general is that the Pirates aren't really as much
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  Speaker 3: as we want them to try. Yes, even though they
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  Speaker 3: got Ryan O'Hearn and they went out and made some
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  Speaker 3: moves that we all like, we really don't believe it.
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  Speaker 3: So we've had this conversation. If they're really interested in
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  Speaker 3: Gino Suarez, right, like, you have to go above and beyond.
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  Speaker 3: Now they said they go above the one year fifteen?
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  Speaker 3: Is that one year sixteen? They're like, hey, you know what,
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  Speaker 3: Geno will give you one year sixteen to come to Pittsburgh,
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  Speaker 3: right like you have to Like they're like, oh, a
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  Speaker 3: two year deal, but it was probably with an opt
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  Speaker 3: out and it was probably like a two thirty or
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  Speaker 3: something like that. Right, So he was looking at it like, well,
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  Speaker 3: I can get one fifteen from a place I know
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  Speaker 3: I can go and hit forty again. I've been there before,
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  Speaker 3: I played there before. They made the playoffs last year.
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  Speaker 3: People forget the Reds were in the postseason. Now they
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  Speaker 3: got stomped by the Dodgers in two games, but they
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  Speaker 3: were in the postseason last year. Okay, so everyone's looking
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  Speaker 3: at the Cincinnati Reds as hey, this team is only
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  Speaker 3: going up. You had Suarez to the mix. They've made
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  Speaker 3: some other smaller moves that they think are gonna help
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  Speaker 3: another year of Ellie at shore and another year of
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  Speaker 3: all these other guys in the field, and another year
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  Speaker 3: of the pitchers. I don't know if it's gonna work out,
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  Speaker 3: But if you're the Pirates, I'm just if I'm a
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  Speaker 3: Pirates fan, at some point you just know you have
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  Speaker 3: to go above and beyond. And right now they're trying
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  Speaker 3: to get away with it by just saying we tried,
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  Speaker 3: we tried, we tried. Yes, Rhyan O'Hearn, nice edition, Brandon
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  Speaker 3: Lutrade great. Some of the things they've done have been good.
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  Speaker 3: But if you want to get a guy like Gino
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  Speaker 3: Suarez who wants to win and he wants to get paid,
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  Speaker 3: you got to go above and beyond. And that's the
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  Speaker 3: Pirates just aren't doing that. That's why the Kyle Schwarbert
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  Speaker 3: thing when they're like, oh, the Pirates were in. They
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  Speaker 3: were in for less than he got in Philly. So
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  Speaker 3: cool they were in, but they were never real players.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they needed to go harder on Suarez and they
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  Speaker 1: definitely need to resign up. Mccutch.
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  Speaker 3: What here's the thing, Alana. If they go and I'll
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  Speaker 3: ask crutches, if they go to Gino Suarez and say,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, we'll give you two forty think he's
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  Speaker 3: turning it down. No, absolutely, But if they go, hey
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  Speaker 3: here's two, here's two twenty eight or two thirty whatever,
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  Speaker 3: he's like, well, I'll take my one year in Cincinnati,
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  Speaker 3: a place I know and have been there, and then
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  Speaker 3: I'll go back on the free agent market. I'll probably
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  Speaker 3: get fifteen or more next year and i can pick
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  Speaker 3: where I want to go and I'm not stuck in
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  Speaker 3: a place I don't know that And are they serious?
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  Speaker 3: So you got to go above and beyond and you
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  Speaker 3: got to blow everybody out side of the water.
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  Speaker 1: Look at those projected lineup for the reds Now with
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  Speaker 1: Suarez in't it? You guys some good protection. It's a
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  Speaker 1: decent lineup. I mean TJ. Friedel, obviously, Marte Ellie de
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  Speaker 1: la Cruz. We know how much of an impact player
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  Speaker 1: he is, how much fun he is to watch Suarez
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  Speaker 1: as the DH in the cleanup spot. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: where you would expect him to be, right, I mean
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  Speaker 1: a knock on his defense, I guess, But that's exactly
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  Speaker 1: where you want him if you're going to sign him.
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  Speaker 1: Stuart Tyler, Stevenson, JJ Blede, Matt McClain, who I love
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  Speaker 1: and Cabrian Haynes. That's a decent starting lineup for this
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  Speaker 1: I mean the projected lineup for the Cincinnati Reds.
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  Speaker 4: I mean potential, the Cincinnati potentials, massive potential. There, massive
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  Speaker 4: potential up and down through that lineup. But the reason
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  Speaker 4: I laugh when you were reading that lineup is because
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  Speaker 4: a team just added on January what was that, January
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  Speaker 4: thirty first or February first, they added a cleanup hitter,
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  Speaker 4: a cleanup hitter of their lineup.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to hit clean up for a lot of teams.
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  Speaker 2: They added him for one year fifteen million crap, Like,
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  Speaker 2: that's not good for players, that's not good for player salary.
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  Speaker 2: That's not good for.
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  Speaker 4: Teams that need a right handed bat in a right
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  Speaker 4: handed friendly park that they did not pick him up
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  Speaker 4: if they have desire of winning and dominating the league
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  Speaker 4: that they're in.
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  Speaker 1: Who's to say, now, a great American I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: know half of the games are on the road. Can
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  Speaker 1: appreciate that. But a great American he might hit sixty bombs.
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  Speaker 1: I mean totally in the year.
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  Speaker 2: It's a pictures park. Now it's a pictures park.
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  Speaker 4: Now the numbers will show the numbers will show it
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  Speaker 4: like what they haven't moved the fences.
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  Speaker 3: In it is.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I thought Great American was a
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  Speaker 1: Great American small park.
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  Speaker 3: How is it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay last year? M okay, Yeah, that's what he said.
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  Speaker 3: That's what he said. That's what he said.
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  Speaker 1: That's what he said. All right, we're going to continue
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  Speaker 1: the conversation. Thanks for Sean for coming on. It's interesting,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I can I can understand it from both perspectives. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: if you look at what he was talking about. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: but why do you think that, like Team Puerto Rico
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  Speaker 1: said they might withdraw the team from the tournament after
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  Speaker 1: learning eight to ten of their players would be denied. Now,
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  Speaker 1: AJ you said, there's no way in the world that
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  Speaker 1: they do this, especially since they are the host, one
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  Speaker 1: of the hosts the four And that would make a
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  Speaker 1: statement though, would it not?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it would. But they'll figure it out. Just they'll
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  Speaker 3: figure it out, like all this public interest now, they'll
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  Speaker 3: find a way to figure this pert Rico's Can you
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  Speaker 3: imagine that Puerto Ricos went to Major League Baseball and said,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna pull out of this tournament right now, two
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  Speaker 3: weeks before it's about to start. Whatever three weeks before
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  Speaker 3: it's start month whatever it is, and they're like, we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna you gotta find a new host major League Baseball
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  Speaker 3: and say not only you're never gonna host again, we
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  Speaker 3: don't know they will invite you back again. It would
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  Speaker 3: be it would be not be a good look for
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  Speaker 3: Puerto Rico. I'm sorry. I get what they're saying, and
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  Speaker 3: I understand why they're upset. And I want Francisco Lindoor
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  Speaker 3: and I want all these Puerto Rican guys Carlos Korea
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  Speaker 3: that want to play to be able to play. But
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  Speaker 3: they're not gonna do this because they know over the
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  Speaker 3: long haul, this is not a good thing for them
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  Speaker 3: to do. And I think it's just it's just posturing.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that this is a way for them
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  Speaker 3: to threaten this and then they'll figure out a way
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  Speaker 3: to get this done.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they're running out of time.
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  Speaker 4: Eka they are running out of time, and this is
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  Speaker 4: why it's all coming to a head right now. But insurance,
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  Speaker 4: as anybody who pays for insurance, life insurance, well life insurance,
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  Speaker 4: I guess doesn't change. But homeowners, auto rental, all that
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  Speaker 4: stuff has gone up in the last three years, has
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  Speaker 4: gone up exponentially, I think by like seventy five percent
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  Speaker 4: in some industries. So maybe there's a standard that the WBCI,
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  Speaker 4: which is Major League Baseball and the Players Association, has
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  Speaker 4: to change their standard because clearly there's some type of
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  Speaker 4: line that says, Okay, if this is the price, we're
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  Speaker 4: not paying for these guys to play because Great Britain,
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  Speaker 4: their federation can't afford to pay Eradus Chapman's insurance no
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  Speaker 4: matter what that insurance is. They don't have the cash
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  Speaker 4: that like a team USA federation has, but those aren't
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  Speaker 4: The federations aren't paying for it right now. It's Major
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  Speaker 4: League Baseball and the Players Association because it's forty man
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  Speaker 4: roster guys, because it's a owned tournament by the WBC.
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  Speaker 4: I is what I was just told. And so maybe
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  Speaker 4: they need to change there. Maybe they need to change
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  Speaker 4: their percentage of what they're gonna pay because insurance costs
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  Speaker 4: go up.
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  Speaker 2: Just look at your bill wherever you go.
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  Speaker 1: There's not a major league team of the thirty that
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  Speaker 1: has guys on forty man rosters that can't pay for
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  Speaker 1: the insurance for their players. There's not a major league
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  Speaker 1: that can't pay you're trying to tell me. And I
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  Speaker 1: know Miguel Rojas's situation was different because his was an
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  Speaker 1: age thing versus an insurance thing. But let's just say
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  Speaker 1: it was an insurance thing. You're telling me that the
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  Speaker 1: daughters can't pay Miguel Rojas's insurance or Otani's insurance or
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  Speaker 1: Yamamoto's insurance or you know, like we just.
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  Speaker 2: Talked about this, We just talked about this.
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  Speaker 4: You can't tell me there's nine tena couldn't pay and
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: Heneo Suarez fifteen million dollars to play, Like.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: Right, there's there's a different want to versus can there
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: you go, and I think they've set their line and
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: I think they've set.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: And unfortunately teen Puerto Rico is a team that's just no, no, no,
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: no no, And there's clearly ways around it, and I'm
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: hoping that they use some common sense or else.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: I think it could really hurt this. It could really
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: hurt it.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: If you don't have the stars playing in your tournament, exhibition,
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: global championship, whatever you want to call it, it is
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: not good for your exhibition tournament, whatever it is.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: To Eric's point, the coverage has become considerably more expensive.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: The league's insurers has become more stringent about which players
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: it approves. So that's another thing too. Where is that line,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: which player are you going to approve? And where is
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: the fairness in that? People briefed on the underwriting process
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: who are not authorized to speak publicly said, no cap
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: exists for how much salary can be covered in total
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: across Major League Baseball.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: But that's not so.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Again, this is different rules for different.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: Players, no different rules for different situations. But they still
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: have a cap of where they want to go. And
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: if they didn't revisit it. I don't know that they
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: didn't revisit it, but if they didn't revisit that cap
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: for the from the insure, I mean, Aja, you live
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: in Florida, I'm sure your insurance goes up if you
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: lived on the coast. There's places that aren't even insuring
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: places fully and this is for houses, but it's insurance
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: is essentially across the board the same thing.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: It just goes up. Premiums go up.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: And if you don't change, if you don't change it,
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: look at what the Look what happened to the Trup
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: the trop They dropped their insurance the year that the
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: roof blew off because it went up by a certain
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: percentage and they were willing to take the risk. They're
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: just they're not able to take that risk right now.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: It's kind of like insurance they to talk about. Also,
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: I just want to say this, This insurance isn't just
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: a WBC thing. It's also in baseball thing because it
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: can dictate guys that are signing guys aren't signed older guys.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: They have a hard time getting insurance on older guys contracts.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: Maybe that they didn't they couldn't sign them to a
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: longer term deal because they couldn't get them insured. I mean,
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: this insurance thing is, Yes, the spotlight's on it for WBC,
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: we don't have enough time to get into it, but
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: it also affects more than just the WBC, in Major
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: League Baseball and all sports.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Really yeah, I just I don't I don't know. I
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: think that if a guy wants to play for his country,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: you let him play, and you find a way. If
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: you want to grow the game that every owner says
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: they want to do, whether it's you know, a service
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: or not, if you want to grow the game, this
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: is a great way to do it.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: They don't want they don't want to They don't truly
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: want to grow the game. They want their their agenda,
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: their bottom line, and because there's a lot of people
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: that they have to answer to. And I think it
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: sucks because of the fact that it's glaring towards like
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Mickey ros said, Puerto Rican and Venezuelan players. It sucks
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: and I think there should be some transparent see there.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: I think I think Sprawling said, I think Sean said that.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: I think they need to have transparency and say this
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: is why we have some we have some ideas, but
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: we need a little bit more.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Why would they just they can insure themselves. Why woult
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: they just insure themselves. You can go to Lloyd's of
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: London and get insurance on your own contract. They can
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: play yeah, you're right, or.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: It's a Major League Baseball pay for the part that
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: they would pay for and the rest pay and the
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: players pay for that are denied the extra. You know,
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: whatever that extra is. Hey, we're willing to pay. Who
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: knows what it is. It's a month. You're getting insurance
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: for not even a month, for two weeks based on
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: your future Sally, it's not like they're insuring like it
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: doesn't work like that if you max Max Scherzer had
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: to pay when he was with the Tigers and he
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: turned down that massive deal, and then he ended up
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: signing a massive deal with the Nats. He bought his
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: own insurance. That insurance plan was for an entire season,
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: just like these college football guys who are buying insurance
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: for the the you know, their last bowl game, because
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: if they get hurt in that ball game, they could
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: slip to the third round. Because you know, it's different
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: if you're playing one game or five games or one hundred.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: And sixty two games.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: No, but you have still have to cover the whole
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: season though. That's the difference.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: So that's what you're saying. What you're saying is not right.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: You still have to pay an insurance policy because you're
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: covering that season in that contract. So you're not paying
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: just for covering me for these two weeks. You have
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: to pay premiums that say, hey, I'm covering whatever my
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: contract is, not just on these two weeks. Like, yes,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: you're only playing for two weeks, but god forbid you
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: get hurt in those two weeks, you got to pay
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: enough money to cover that entire contract if possible, but.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: The insurance too, is like, if the guy gets hurt,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: they're on the hook for a couple of years of
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the player's contract. It's not just the time that they're
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: are it's two. Somebody in our chat said that they
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: should try Geico because they like that little Gecko. Just
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: some levity for the situation. Guys just here to just
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: make you laugh. I mean, that's just what I'm here for.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Let's let's turn the topic to show Hey Otani in
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: the WBC. This is not an insurance issue. This is
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: hey Otani is participating for Team Japan. But he did
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: say that he will not pitch in the WBC and
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: he will get ready for the regular season to pitch
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: for the Dodgers. This was from Alden Gonzalez of ESPN.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Dodgers manager Dave Roberts said Otani will not pitch in
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: the WBC, adding that it was Otani's decision. A jed,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: do you think it was Otani's decision, which I believe
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: it was, because I believe that the Dodgers do whatever
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Otani says? And do you like this? Do you like
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: this choice?
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: No, I hate the choice because I love the WBC,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: But I understand it. Of course, I want to see
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Otani versus Trout at the end again like we saw
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. But I understand it, and listen,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: was it his choice, Here's what it was. Here's one
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: thing we know about Shohan Tani. He makes informed decisions
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: for the longevity of his career. And the worst thing
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: that he could have happen right now, for not only him,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: but for the Dodgers is him going out and getting
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: hurt pitching again. The odds of a position player going
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: out and getting hurt and missing an entire season, yes
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: they are there, but they're much slimmer than a pitcher.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: So I totally get this, and I totally understand it.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: It just sucks because I want to see him pitch
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: and I want that moment again. The excuse me, the
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Otani Trout, the Tani Judge, bottom of the ninth, He's
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: pitching and boom, we'll see what happens. You know, Otani
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: versus I don't know whoever, Will Smith, whoever you want
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: to throw out there, like his teammate or you know
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: someone you know again, Aaron Judge. That'd be really cool
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: to see. But it's the smart decision.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't get to talk to you after you took
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: a picture with Otani. Were you nervous?
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Ah, of course, I was scared to death to ask him,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: because all I heard was he won't do it, He
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: won't do it, he won't do it. He was great,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: he was nice, he laughed. Luckily I knew his training
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: his translator though, so that helped me kind of with
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: the insights.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, you know, the thrill.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: I know Matt. I know Matt, his personal guy. Oh,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: pardon me, because because he has two, he has two
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: different ones now. He used to just have the one.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Now he has Matt at home and he has the
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Dodgers one. And Matt used to work. Matt used to
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: work for Fukudome when played with me, and he's great.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: So both those Fukadomi and Matt. So when I saw him,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Matt's like, oh, and he introduced me and gave a
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: little funny story. I don't know what he said because
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: I don't speak Japanese, but he laughed, so I'm sure
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: it was something very in It's.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Probably and inappropriate. But nevertheless, you got a picture with show.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Hey Otani. I'm jealous, Eric, he's not pitching. I'm imagining.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: You can understand the reasoning behind that as well.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: Ye we just said Jim Bowden on talking about how
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: we need to have a little hangnail or you're gonna
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: have a little soreness. Guys are gonna sit out. Not
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: because the Dodgers don't care. It's because the Dodgers have
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: one thing from top to bottom, from a ball all
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: the way up to the Guggenheims. They are locked in
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: on winning the World Series. And you know what, Shoho
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Tani not pitching for his country was massive intrigue. I
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: forget how many like double or tripled his Instagram followers
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: last year in I mean last WBC when he was
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: in it, like the only bigger star was Lars Newbar.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: I'm kidding, but this is what we go to see.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: We see the best players play. So yeah, I'm sad
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: that he's not gonna pitch. Am I surprised? Absolutely not.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: He's still gonna play. He's still one of the top
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: three best hitters on the planet. We just don't get
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: to see one of the you know, top ten pitchers
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: on the planet. So oh well, boohoo us. But we
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: saw it last time. Enjoy it, remember it. Go rewind
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: and let the Dodgers go and try to win their
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: World Series without what.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: If we see like a Paul Skins versus sho he
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Otani at that.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, you can see that in the regular season.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: No Rogers versus Pirates.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I want Here's what I want to Elana. We
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: want the drama that happened in the last one. First,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: try to facet Tawani teammates bottom of the ninth think listen,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: can we say show hey face Aaron Judge in the
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: regular season of the postseason? Absolutely, but with the game
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: on the line, country verse country, as much as this
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: means more than the World Series, Eric and Scott and
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Sean right, we want to see that. We want that drama.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: We're here. That's why people like this, because this is
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: why the Olympics needs Major League Baseball players and MPB
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: and the best players in the world playing in it.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Just like the NHL does. Shut the season down for
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: a couple weeks. Let these guys go play, showcase the
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: game to the world everybody, because it's an unbelievably great
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: game if you just show it to people.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Amen, I want to see.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: I want to see Edwin Diz versus Will Smith or
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: or let's see Paul Skeens versus I'm trying to think today,
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: anybody on an international team, that's what I want to see.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: I want to see. I want to see Shoe Hay
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: versus Scooble. I want to see that left handed Matt Like.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: That's that's what we're here for. And that's what is
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: so cool about your country playing or players, your stars,
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: your team star playing for your country. Because there is
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: plenty of Minnesota Twins White Sox fans who can be
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: a fan of Team USA and cheer for Trek Schouble
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: and they will never cheer for Terrek Scoobel again until
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: he goes to another team. I mean, he's not gonna
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: go to the White Sox so because he's a Tigers player.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: But that's what international baseball does. And I am probably
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: not as big of a baseball nerd for international baseball
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: as JP Morosi or Sean Sean Spradling, but I love
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: international baseball, from Winter League to the WBC, to all
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: the minor league players that play and the stuff.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: It's awesome.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about some money moves, guys. Luis
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: a rise to the Giants. They reached an agreement with
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: the twenty eight year old contact hitting savant. Of course,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: he has won the batting title three different times. It's
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: a one year, twelve million dollar contract. He led the
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: National League last year with one hundred and eighty one
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: hits last season. Aja, you like this for the Giants?
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: You like this for a Rise?
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: No, I like it for a Rise. The Giants needed
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: a second baseman. The Rise has given his opinion that
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: he wants to play second base. It's a good fit.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: He can get on base for like Jim Boden said,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: for a Damis and for Raffie Devers to drive him in.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: I like this move. I think it's a good move.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: It's a good one year move. It's a proven year.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: And if Damas goes out and I know it doesn't
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: mean anything, but he goes I mean sorry, if a
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Rise goes out and doesn't mean anything, but he goes
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: out and wins another batting title in San Francisco, he
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: should be in line to get a nice contract. Because
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: I just love how I'm gonna say this in a
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Rise of a former Minnesota Twin. Batting titles meant so
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: much for Joe Maller, and they meant a lot for
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Buster Posey, right, but Luisa Rise wins one and nobody cares.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: So it's just because they were catchers. Or is it
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: because the thought on batting titles has changed so much?
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: I'm just asking.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: It always seems like this year is a proven year
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: for Luisa Raise.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: Eric.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, the guy does have three batting titles. I
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: understand that he's not you know, he's not a power hitter.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Of course, he doesn't hit home runs. He's not the
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: best defensively. But I would think that being able to
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: make contact and not striking out would be of value apparently,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: though not in today's game, correct, Man.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I just don't. It's not like we're talking about like don't.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know, Like I'm trying. I never came up
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: with an example. But it's not like we're talking about
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: a dude who's like, ah, you know, he's he's just
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: so he did he won one batting title, he's won three.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: He led the league last year and hits. I get it.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: It's it's all it's batting average and no on base percentage.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: It's fine, he struck out.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: He had the lowest strikeout percentage last year since Tony
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: Gwynn take in nineteen ninety five. That was Sarah Lange's tweet.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: It was something that was like, that's crazy in the
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: era where we're in where guys, whether they're better pitchers
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: or not, I'm not going to discuss that guys are
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: one hundred percent going for the strikeout.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: That is it.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: They are only going for the strikeout. Is Luis a
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: Rise as valuable as a Uhennio Suarez to a certain extent,
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: There's a value there. And the batting to win a
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: batting title is so ridiculously hard, and he's done it
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: three times, and like AJ said, like it just feels
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: it feels like we're like picking certain situations that it
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: was cool to win a batting title. But like, Luis
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: a Rise is going to one hundred raise his value
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: because of the fact that he plays second. If he
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: can play second base the entire year as a first baseman,
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: you can never sit there and go, well, is he
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: just the best defensive first baseman in the game?
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: No?
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: And then who else are you? Who else are you
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: finding dudes in Triple A who they probably would say,
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: we'd rather give his twenty five thirty home runs in
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: Triple A a shot in the big leagues before they
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: would Luisa Rise, which is a travesty to how tough
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: it is to win a batting title, let alone lead
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: the league, lead the National League in hits.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: He turned down another multi year offers to play second
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: base for the Giants, a position that he wanted to
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: return to guys after playing first base for the Padres.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: So the Giants now aj have an infield of Chapman
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Adamis Arise Endeavors. It's pretty damn good.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, who's going to pitch. This is a
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: question who's going to pitch behind Logan Webb But we'll see.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: I guess, I guess Robbie Ray still there. But still
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: it's like it's like this, this is a nice not
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: a terrible lineup. I mean, I think Patrick baileys do
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: for a nice bounce back this year. Pryce Eldridge, if
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: he can hit, I mean, the top of the order
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: is as good as he gets. So we'll see. Let's
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: never get Hilario Bramos a couple of years ago was
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: projected to be like they were talking about him being
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: like a star star. So Vader can play nice centerfield.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Patrick Bailey's gonna bounce back. I don't hate this lineup.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: I just I hate the fact that it took Luisa Rise.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: We're talking about this for Luisa Rise because it just
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: he smiles all the time he puts the ball in play.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: There's value in that that nobody wants to talk about.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: No, it's just I don't know, is it because he's
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: just not driving guys in? But I mean, at least
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: he gets on base to be driven in.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing about you're saying you doesn't drive
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: guys in. But what's the thing they always say RBIs
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: don't matter because it's a it's a matter of where
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: you are in the lineup, right, So it's like they
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: come up with excuses on why certain things matter depending
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: on who you are and how they like you and
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: what you're thinking about. Oh RBI's matter except for when
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: they don't. Batting average matters except for with this guy. Right,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Home runs matter, strikeouts matter except for with this guy.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: It's like the whole, the whole thing to be just
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: doesn't make sense sometimes. But that's why I don't own
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: a team. That's why I don't run a team, because
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: I equip it feel like I don't know.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that's just what you can make the numbers.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: You can manipulate the numbers to solve any anything you
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: want him to say.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Same and and analytics feels like they're they're adverse, they're
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: they're completely unob they're subjective. I'm not using that word right,
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: objective and subjective. And that's what that's the whole reason
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: for analytics was, Oh, we don't we don't have our
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: feelings in this at all. Now you one hundred percent
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: have your feelings in it. We don't want ahneos. The
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: league doesn't want any Auheneo Suarez. Why because he strikes
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: out too much. He was fifth in baseball on homers,
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: hit forty nine home runs most years, that leads the league. Okay,
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: but you know he strikes out too much. His defense
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: isn't good enough. Well, brings the money down. How about
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: we talk about how good a player is and what
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: if what if he just.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Hits one home run this year?
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: What if what if Luisa rise hit gets one RBI
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: this year and that RBI pushes the Giants to the
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: playoffs and all twelve million, fifteen million, two years, twenty
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: four million, It all matters exactly what AJ said needs
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: to be clipped. It's all manipulated to make somebody look bad,
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: to make somebody look worse than what they really are,
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: and ultimately, the name of the game is winning as
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: many baseball games as possible. In Luis Arise on most teams,
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: playing second base is an upgrade.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: One hundred and eighty one hits last year eight home runs.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four, he had two hundred hits, and of course,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: as we've mentioned, twenty two to twenty three to twenty
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: four batting title for that year. Pretty interesting to be
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: able to do that, pretty impressive to be able to
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: do that three years in a row. All right, let's
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: get to some more moves that were made this weekend
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: in hot corner. All right, I can't wait to get
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: the take on this one from AJ. The Chicago White
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Socks have acquired right handed pitcher Jordan Hicks and David Sandlin,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: cash considers, and two players to be named later from
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: the Boston Red Sox in exchange for right hander Gage
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Zeal and a player to be named later. Jordan Hicks
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: not the best numbers last year with the Red Sox,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: but I think the bigger piece of this puzzle AJ
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: is David Sandlin go into the socks, your socks? What say?
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: You uh cool supposed to say? I mean, we just
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: had this conversation about you know, we want to trade
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: prospects and let's listen, Sandland. You know he throws hard.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: But if we looked at if you dig into his numbers, man, listen,
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: people are gonna say, oh, you know, I don't like
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: the white socks, but I just look at numbers, man, numbers.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Look at his walks, man, his walks are just not good.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Seventy six walks. You know, he has a lot of walks.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Just he strikes out a ton of guys, but he's
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: got a lot of walks. He's got a high ra
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's got a four almost a four four
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: era in the minor leagues. Yeah, like they got Jordan Hicks,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: who can he's gonna pitch out of the According to
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Chris Gatz, that helps him in the bullpen because I
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: think we figured out since he's gone to San Francisco,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: he's definitely not a starter, right, he'll help in the
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: bullpen wherever he can come in and give you multiple
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: innings as a bullpen guy. So I like that, but
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: they're you know, they're still getting what they have to pay,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: what twenty million of this sixteen million, I think they
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: they have left on the hook for Jordan Hicks.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Eight million of Hicks is twenty four.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, So yeah, I mean, yeah, it's a it's a
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: move that you know, if Zeal's not gonna deal's not
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: gonna help you, zero deal deal, you know, not gonna
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: help you, then fine. But I don't. I mean, this
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: is just a move. It's like, oh, we're making moves now,
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: just to make moves, right, Like, look, we can make
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: a move and people say, we can tell people how
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: great this guy's gonna be. But again, I mean, Jordan Hicks, Okay,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: but you're getting let your you know, for a team
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: money money challenge right now?
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Cool?
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: Like, yes, go White Sox, good job, Chris gets hey, ja,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: don't don't don't don't appeal to the masses. Does this
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: make the team better for the year that they're going
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: to win they're going to make the playoffs. I'm not
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: saying it this year. Whatever year you said in your
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: mind that the White Sox should be in the playoffs,
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: does this make their team better for that year?
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: I have no idea. I have no idea because I
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: just gave you his numbers. How do I know? How
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: do I know what this guy's going to be? Apparently
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Boston didn't think. Boston was like we can get rid
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: of hicks. O.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Nobody knows what the hell Boston's doing. Boston is as
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: a mess.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is is to answer cross this
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: question though, when are sallin going to help him this year?
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: And then maybe three years from now he figures out
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: how not to have a four to four e r
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: A in the minor league? Like you know what I'm saying, Like,
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know if this helps them, but I know
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: that it's a move to make a move, and I
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: like that at least they're trying to make some sort
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: of moves.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: Okay, so maybe maybe a little bit above average. But
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: the Red Sox, we have a resident Red Sox fan.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: You live right next to Fenway Park, so you're snowed in.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: What are the Red Sox doing? They just they now
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: clear and I'm and I joked about it on Twitter
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: when you when you had mentioned when you put on
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: there like still waiting, Like they got rid of Rafael
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: Devers contract, that's massive. They got rid of now Jordan
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: Hicks contract. That was a massive amount of money. I
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: guess you know they didn't get rid of all of
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: it because the White Sox aren't paying all of it
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: or the pain a lot. And I said, Liverpool, they're.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Over there.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: The Red Sox don't have a money problem. They have
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: a decision making problem, and they have a let's wait
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: around because we think people want to play with for
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: the Red Sox. Alec Bregman is now in Chicago because
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: the Red Sox left it on their laurels that oh,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: he's going to want to come back. We're guaranteeing that
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: he's going to want to come back, so we're not
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: going to make a move and do anything else. Yes,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: they signed Ranger Suarez and I guess that you know
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: that's okay, that's fine. But the thing is with the
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Red like you let Raffael Dever go after the second
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: year or within his second year of a ten year deal.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: So that just goes to show you if you're Bregman,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: because the Red Sox don't give no full no trade clauses,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: that's just going to show you that, you know what,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I still might be moved. And they saved two hundred
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: and something million dollars on Dever's contract and didn't put
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: the money anywhere. Jordan Hicks doesn't make enough money to
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: make a difference in their payroll. What are the Red
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Sox doing?
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: You tell me? In the same snow as Fenway Park?
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Ish god by the way? Uh. The White Socks are
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: also in agreement with free agent outfielder Austin Hayes, sources
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: telling ESPN Hayes He's thirty hit fifteen home runs in
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: one hundred and three games for Cincinnati last year. The
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Socks were looking for a veteran outfielder, and Hayes fits
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: the bill. Guys, So here is the lineup, the projected
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: lineup anyway with Austin Hayes. So aj, I mean you
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: like this move at least in terms of proven talent
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: in Austin Hayes.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, I get on board with this move. This is
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: the move that we've been saying the White Sox should
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: have made for years. Bring in a veteran guy that
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: helped can help some of the young guys, right, and
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: if he has a great first half and you're not
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: in contention, even though the White Sex are like, we're
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: gonna win the division. This year, you trade him and
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: you get some players back. This is the move that
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: you make. This is a smart move, the Murricami move.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: It's only a two year deal. That's a good move.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Brooks Bald when Edwin Kiro look at this team, Vargas
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Montgomery TiO Mydra, they need a veteran guy in there.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: And listen, no offense to Andrew ben Attendi, but he
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: doesn't really go as not very outgoing. He's probably he's
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: a good guy, really good guy. But you need somebody
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: that can be a little outgoing and lead these guys.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: And ben Attende's been there for a while now. So
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: these two guys, maybe Hayes and been attendee together can
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: talk to Brooks Wald when Kiro t o Mydra with
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Montgomery teach him how to be big leaguers. I love
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: this move. This this is the move the white sexually
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: we make because it's only a one year deal. And
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: if he's great, you got something. And if he's not great,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: or if he's great, you trade him and you get
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: something back in return, maybe in organization's ten best prospect
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: like they just did. If not, he teaches the young
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: guys what to do. But I would bet on Austin
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Hays having a good year and coming out and helping
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: the White Sox be better.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, it's value. I mean there is not physical
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: value there. Hicks might Jordan Hicks might save twenty games,
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: you know, Sir Anthony might save the other twenty games
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: for the White Sox. So I guess from a front
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: office standpoint, there's value there. But the value in Austin
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: Hayes is what he brings to exactly what AJ said.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: So two completely different moves, two guys that have been
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: in the league, and most people would say Jordan Hicks
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: for his career, has had a better career than Austin Hayes.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: If Austin Hayes can make an impact on one or
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: two of those prospects, those guys that are now solidifying
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: themselves in the big leagues, knowing what it takes to
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: be a big leaguer, knowing what it takes to win
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: in the big leagues, which is the next step, not
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: just hitting thirty home runs, it's winning in the big leagues,
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: then that contract will pay for itself fifty times over.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: That's where that's where Bregman's value to the Red Sox
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: was last year. That's where Kyle Schwarber's value to the
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: Phillies is and the White Sox if they have a
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: chance to add another piece like this. We talked about
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: Zack Gallen before. If some of these pitchers in the
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: White Sox starting rotation, young pitchers are gonna be guys
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: that you're going to have up there for a decent
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: amount of time. Having a guy like Zach Gallon around.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: He may cost you twenty two point three million dollars
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: whatever the whatever the qualifying offer is, it's probably about
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: what he'll get, but what he will pay back dividends
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: for the future. That's why I pose the question that
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: I did to aj because those type of things our
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: relationship and career building moments, when you bring guys like
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: that in, if they're the right fit for your young kids,
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: would the.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: White Sox make sense or let me rephrase, this would
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: make White.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: So he would make sense. But he ain't gonna go
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: there just to win, and he's not going to go there,
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: And it goes right back to the thing we talked
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: about with the Pittsburgh Pirates. Do you guys remember all
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: the polls that have come out recently, worst franchise to
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: play for teams we don't want to go to. You
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: don't want to do this. It's been the White Sox,
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: been the White Sox, been the White Sox, Right. So
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: you think Zach Allen's going to look at that, and
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Zack Allen's gonna call someone like Lancelyn who played for
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: the White Sox, right, or he's gonna call someone Todd
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Frazier or someone that's been there recently and say, hey,
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: what did you guys think of this? And he's gonna say, well,
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: I guess what. The White Sox are gonna have to
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: grossly overpay to get someone like Zach Gallen, even if
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: it's just for one year, because most guys and they
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: go on one year deals when they go to prove it,
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: they want to go to a winner because you always
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: look good on a winning team, right, So they'd have
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: to massively overpay. And one thing we've learned about the
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: White Sox recently, they're not going to massively overpay the.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Man that just like the Pirates, like you said, they're
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: not going to massively overpay either. I mean they could
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: have had far as they would have just up the
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: ante at a couple of million a year, I.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Can't argue with that, if you know, if you really,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: if deep down in your heart of hearts, you don't
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: think that you can compete, then you don't overpay unless
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: you're unless you're the Nationals and you have Jason Worth
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: sitting there and you think eventually he's going to lead
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: to a World Series title, and you don't think Zach
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Allen's going to be there, then you don't do it right.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: But the Nationals got what they wanted. They won the
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: World Series with Jason Worth, and because you know then
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: they strawspertures are all these guys showed up. The Tigers,
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Pud Rodriguez, Maglei, Ardonias, they were the first ones. Now,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: unfortunately the Tigers never won a World Series, but they
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: got there and they competed for a long time and
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: that was kind of the start of it. So when
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: you think you're in that window, you go for it.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: The Cubs did it with John Lester, John Lackey, Jason Hayward. Right,
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: They're like, where this is our chance, Dexter Fowler, We're
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: going for it. They brought in these veterans with Schwarber,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Brian Rizzo, these younger guys, Contreres, and it worked out
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: it doesn't always work out, but you got to pick
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: your time, and when you pick that time, you gotta go.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Okay time now to Slaphands, gentlemen, we appreciate, uh you
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: guys letting me be here today. David robertson retiring, Good
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: for him.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: He had a great career, Hey, Jay cutters and curveballs,
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: and he was the last one on.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: The two thousand and nine Yankees team right that one
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: World Series with the Yanks. It was the last one
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: that was still active.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Correct, What a career, Great career for a guy when
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: he a gymnast coming out of Alabama, when he like
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: a gymnast growing up, and great calves, great calves.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: Great Caves, great Kass, admirable calves. And it's really fastball.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: I wasn't even a cutter. His fastball would just cut.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: And he tried to throw a sinker and it was
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: a four steamer. Great teammate, like always smiled very uh,
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: very big into facial expressions when he pitched, go back
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: and look into one curveball that he that he hit
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: Gary Sanchez with. So his his reaction is pretty much
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: the same as everybody's reaction.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: But good for you, d Rob. What a guy.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, congratulations on a heck of a career. H pleasure
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: to watch him play pitch for all those all those years.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: All right, tomorrow, Scott Braun is back. It's exciting. Harrison
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Vaders is going to be on the show. Yeah, Harrison Vaders.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Tomorrow.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: New York Yankees pitcher Ryan Weathers. But that's right, because
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: it didn't Bader go to Florida. He's a UF guy.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: He did, yes after I had to wear the sweatshirt today,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: after Florida whooped Alabama and basketball and the coach guaranteed
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: they would whoop their ass, and they whooped that ass. Okay,
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: even with an NBA player, even with all I hear about.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Is I will be in Kingsville in May for Morgan Wallin.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: All right, you guys, steel are crats. What's your hat?
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: Columbus Clippers? I mean played there. I watched Richie hit
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: tons of dingers in the bushes.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on the show, Richie. Thanks to John
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: coming on and Jim as well, our territory. We'll see
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: you guys. Smort I