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EP 56: 2026 NFL Draft Scouting Reports For EDGE T.J. Parker, CB Avieon Terrell, SAF Emmanuel McNeil-Warren, OT Kadyn Proctor, EDGE Zion Young & WR Germie Bernard · 3 Guys, 6 Balls NFL Podcast

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3 lifelong friends, 6 trusty balls and endless NFL takes.
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Welcome to three guys 6 Balls NFL podcast.
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Welcome to episode 56 of Three guys 6 balls NFL podcast.
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I'm your host Joel and I'm here with my Co host Will Avery isn't
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joining us once again, but not because of his girlfriend's
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friend or because of work this time.
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This time it's because his family is in town, which is
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probably the worst excuse of them all.
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So once again, it's just Will and I.
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And today we'll be doing mostly scouting reports for you guys.
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The only thing that I have that isn't NFL Draft related is a
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question that I thought of this week that I thought would be
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interesting to talk about. So my question is, why do fans
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of the Super Bowl winning team automatically think their team
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is going to repeat every single year?
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And the reason I ask this question is because right now
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Seahawks fans are everywhere already thinking that they're
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repeating next season. We saw the same thing last year
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with Eagles fans, except theirs was worse because they said they
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were not only repeating but also three peating.
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There's only been nine times in NFL history that a team has
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repeated as Super Bowl champions.
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That is 15% of the time. So based on how the 1st 60 Super
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Bowls went, there's an 85% chance that the reigning Super
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Bowl champion each year won't repeat the next.
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But fans still think it anyway. So Will, I'm curious to know
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your opinion on this. Why do you think that is?
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Why do fans of the Super Bowl winning team always think that
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they're repeating the next season?
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Well, let's let's breakdown what you kind of said there.
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You threw in some numbers and stats and truly, and I don't
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mean to to just go against everything you just said, but
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they don't matter when you're talking to fandoms and they.
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Do. They they don't in this case
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they don't because you either have you have a 5050 shot,
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either you do or you don't win, right?
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That's just the way the season starts.
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Well. It's one out of 32 teams that
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win, so it's. There's there's two options.
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There is two options here. You win the Super Bowl or you
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don't and we have two options. It's 5050.
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Yes, but only one out of 32 teams wins, so it's.
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Not yes, but either you do or you don't.
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So 5050 OK. And when, when you think, when
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your team just won it, no matter what's happened during freedom,
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so no matter what's happened at all, you think you are on the
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good side of this 5050. OK, now obviously I know it's
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not a true 5050, but you, there are two options.
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You win it or you don't. And so you're trying to throw
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statistics and numbers and historical data into a non
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logical arguments. And that's the problem is that
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you're making a logical argument out of a non logical argument
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where it's my team's going to win again because they just won.
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We're already sitting at the top of the top best of the best.
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Of course we're going to do it again.
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We did. Somebody has to prove us wrong.
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And so you go in with the prove us wrong attitude, which is to
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me how you should do it. If you just won, you should have
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the expectation. Of course we're going to win
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again. We think we're going to win
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every year and obviously we just did.
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So of course we can do it twice. The problem is, is that's just
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not how the NFL works. Every year your team is
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different. You have different players, you
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have different coaches, you have different teams that you play.
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The ball bounces a different way than it did last year.
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There were injuries this year that you didn't have last year.
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But every year fans think that it's going to be the exact same
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result. And sometimes it is.
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Obviously repeats can and do happen, but there's more to it
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than we won it last year, so we're going to win it again.
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There's more to it than that. And you can also make the same
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argument for the entire NFL in general.
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It truly bothers me that because the NFL played out how did last
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year that everyone thinks it's going to be the exact same way
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this year. You have no idea how many times
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I've heard people do playoff predictions for next season
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already and have every single team who made it this last year
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making it again this coming year.
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Unless you're The Jets, there's a chance that your team could
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make the playoffs if they didn't make it last year.
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I mean, even the Browns have made the playoffs within the
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last three years. I don't know if the Dolphins had
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much of a chance this year. Well, I just threw The Jets in
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there because they haven't made the playoffs in like 15 years.
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At least the Dolphins have made the playoffs within the last
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five seasons. That's fair.
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So that's why anyway, I just wanted to bring it up because
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the delusional Seahawks fans are out hard right now.
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And I know we have a lot of Seahawks fans who listen to this
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show and you guys, you won the Super Bowl, that's awesome.
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But I don't want to make enemies with you guys like I had to do
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with Eagles fans last year. I will gladly make an enemy of
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any Eagles fan, regardless of if they listen to the show or not.
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But Seahawks fans, I actually don't hate you guys.
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I kind of like you guys, but you're starting to annoy me a
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little bit, I'm not going to lie.
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But at the same time, Joel, I would expect nothing less.
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My team just won the Super Bowl. What else am I supposed to think
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besides of course we're going back.
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Of course we start the same coach, we start the same
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quarterback. Yeah, great.
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We we know how to do it. We have the recipe to do it.
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Just make it again. So I would be more concerned for
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Seahawks fans and the Seahawks in general if the fans were
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like, yeah, we it was a one time thing.
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It's over. It's not why you can Tampa Bay
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when Brady retired and say, well, we want it, Brady retired.
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We don't have the same recipe anymore.
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We don't have the same quarterback leading us.
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He didn't. He didn't retire the year after
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they won the Super Bowl, though, so.
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Yes, you're right, you're right. But the expectation after he won
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it that one year was it we're we still have Brady, we're doing it
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again. Same thing in Denver with Peyton
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Manning. They went, didn't happen, they
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didn't go and then they won. And people forget Peyton Manning
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got benched for Brock Hoss rider that year, but it was if he's
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coming back, if the sheriff is back in town, we're going again.
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And then he retired. He was like, OK, well, we're
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not. We're not doing it.
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And so unless there's a major change and like in major, I
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specifically mean quarterback, then the fan expectation is that
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you are going to return to the Super Bowl.
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OK, so what's what do you think is worse Will do you think it's
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worse that the team that won the Super Bowl, their fans think
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that they're going to win it again next year?
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Or is it worse in like in the case of Packers fans?
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Packers fans think that they're going to win the Super Bowl
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every single year since 2010 because they won it in 2010.
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Every single year since then, Packers fans think they're
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winning the Super Bowl. So what's worse?
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Oh, it's worse to hold on to that hope of we're going to win
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it again. And every team does this, right?
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I mean, even like as as a Rams fan, I was like, well, we've got
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matched efforts still. We won in 21.
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I feel like we can do it again, right?
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Like let's just go do it again. And so it it's almost expected.
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But in, in what I just said, they still have their same
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quarterback. They still have their same
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coach. Packers in 2010.
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You know, you're yeah, yeah, I said you're today 1/3 head
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coach, but you're just second head coach, second head coach on
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you are your second quarterback on you.
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You're not the same. You don't have the same recipe
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anymore. You're making a different cake
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at this point, and so it is that is crazier.
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That's The thing is like they thought they were going to win
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it every year that they had Rodgers.
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And then they drafted Jordan Love and he sat behind Rodgers
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and they thought they were going to win the Super Bowl every year
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with Rodgers. And then as soon as Rodgers was
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gone and Jordan Love stepped in, they're like, Yep, we're winning
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the Super Bowl. We got Jordan Love.
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He's we're winning the Super Bowl every single year.
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And and they still think that, even though the only playoff win
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that Jordan Love has is against the Dallas Cowboys.
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Well, and they ran the ball over the place that game.
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I don't know what his Jordan Love stats were, but he didn't
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have to do much. He had like over 200 rushing in
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the game. He did it.
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I just don't know how you can have a quarterback who has a one
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in three playoff record and the one win is against the Cowboys,
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but yet you still think that you're going to win the Super
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Bowl every single. Year, I mean, Lamar Jackson,
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that's what I went about with him.
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The raging expect to make the Super Bowl and them not making
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it to the playoffs this year was a shock and they expect to make
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the Super Bowl every year. Well, we've got Lamar, same
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thing with Buffalo. We've got Josh Allen.
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Of course we're making it. Chiefs fans, Patrick Mahomes
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coming off his ACL Achilles. I don't know what part of his, I
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don't remember what part of his knee went wrong or leg went
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wrong, but coming off his injury, the Chiefs are heavily
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favored to win. The dude is just now starting
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his full on recovery. And I, I get it's March, Super
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Bowl is not until February next year, but it's just one of
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these, hey, maybe we should have reasonable exploitation.
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But again, now we're talking logical arguments in illogical
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circumstances. At least Patrick Mahomes has won
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a Super Bowl. OK, It's it's different.
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It's different when you're talking about Patrick Mahomes
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versus Jordan Love, because Patrick Mahomes has won three
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Super Bowls. It's a little bit different.
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But Speaking of Patrick Mahomes, have you seen the glaze that's
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been going around with him? Because he's on the field
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walking very slowly backwards and throwing the pass?
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Yeah, it it notably from fan of the show and one time on the
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show, twice on the show. Lincoln Cook sent us that
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Instagram about fantasy quarterbacks where Mahomes is
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like the the top rated famous quarterback and he's like, oh,
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this is absolutely correct. Does anybody not agree with
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this? And I had to be like, I
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absolutely don't agree with this.
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This is absolutely bonkers. There's no way this is going to
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happen. That way, shout out Lincoln.
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Yeah, honestly, I I've, I've never seen a team and she she
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used that word. I've never seen a team Glaze or
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fandom Glaze a quarterback harder than she's Glaze, Patrick
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Mahomes and I'm I'm sure. It's not even the fans.
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It's not even the, I mean, it is the fans, but it's the
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announcers. It's the NFL.
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You're right, you're right. It's because he's the face of
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the NFL, because he was that young new hotshot that came in
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and took the took the NFL by storm and and they just kind of
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keep riding it. Anyways, I just wanted to bring
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that up because I thought it was interesting.
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It would be worse to me if they weren't doing that personally.
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OK, that's fair. All right, so the 2026 NFL Draft
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is less than a month away. And so today we have 6 players
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on the list. And again, we're kind of jumping
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around here because ESPN keeps switching up their list on us.
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So we're going to go through the six players that we have on the
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list, starting with Clemson edge TJ Parker, who is currently
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ranked 17th on the ESPN Top 50 Big Board.
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So I have a question to start off here with TJ Parker.
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So in 2024, TJ Parker had a really good statistical year
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with 57 tackles, 11 sacks, and six force fumbles.
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But then his numbers fell off in 2025, dropping down to 37
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tackles, 5 sacks, and 0 force fumbles.
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What do you think is the reason for his production dip in 2025?
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I mean, it could be a series of things, right?
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Like when you do well, you get double T more you, people focus
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on you more. And so the better you play, the
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more focus you get. And so then your production
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drops because of that. Hey, we're stopping this guy
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specifically. And so that has an element to do
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with it. Or I don't say complacency,
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anything, anything. Any of these guys in knowledge
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get complacent with their stats or with their abilities or
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anything like that. It could just be like, I don't
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know, I don't know much about Clemson's coaching staff or
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roster or if they made any defensive scheme changes,
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anything like that. The scheme could be could have
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been wrong for TJ Parker's skill set and so they.
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Did have a new defensive coordinator in 2025.
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That was actually one of the things that I brought up too.
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So in 2023 he had the same coordinator as in 2024 and he
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took a leap from 2023 to 2024. So it's possible that in 2025
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with the new coordinator that TJ Parker just didn't fit.
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Because when you have a new coordinator, you have a new way
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of of doing things, you have new plays, you have a new scheme,
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just a new personality in there. So it's possible that TJ Parker
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just didn't fit in the new scheme with the new defensive
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coordinator that Clemson had. Yeah, yeah.
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And that I think those two are probably going to be the
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biggest, the biggest reasons the people know your name now.
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So they're trying to stop you specifically.
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And then as well, different, different schemes that different
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play calling. The third reason is other
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players stepped up to make the play.
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So he didn't have to make every play.
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When you see people get these huge stats and what's your Ohio
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State? It's like, OK, well, I'm the
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only one that's able to make this play, so I'm just going to
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make it. And then if you have other
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playmakers, you have to share the load there.
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You don't have to make every tackle.
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Maybe you're the first guy there, but you are eating a
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double team and then somebody else gets in this to steal a
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sack like Hakeem Mesedor, Ruben vain kind of deal.
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And so I I just think that it's there's a series of reasons.
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I probably you probably can't pinpoint just one.
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And I don't think it's because of lack of effort.
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No, definitely not. But will tell me something you
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like about TJ Parker? He is unrefined raw power.
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That is one very positive thing about him is that you get the
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right technique coach in there with him and and allow him to
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take his granite, his marble block and actually chip it away
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into to the statue. It needs to be.
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I think he's going to be a fantastic NFL player.
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It's very possible that in five years from now, 10 years from
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now, whenever the heck you're looking back at the 2027 or 2026
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NFL draft, you're like, wow, how on earth did TJ Parker fall in
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18? How did that happen?
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It's also possible that in 10 years from now you look at this
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and wow, what a whiff of a pick it is.
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His floor and ceiling are so far apart right now.
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It is. It is wild.
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I agree with you. I think the most impressive
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thing to me about TJ Parker was the long arm move that he uses
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as a pass rusher. And for anyone who doesn't know
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what a long arm move is, it's basically a stiff arm to an
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offensive lineman. So a defender will get their arm
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fully extended on the frame of the lineman and when placed and
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timed correctly, the defender will catch the offensive lineman
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in their back step, which in allows him to gain control and
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push the offensive lineman back into the quarterback.
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TJ Parker is very good at the long arm because he's got very
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good upper body strength. And when TJ Parker hits
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offensive lineman with that long arm, he's overpowering them and
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he's rolling them back to collapse the pocket.
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I just don't think that he has the widest variety of passwords
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moves and I think that's kind of like you mentioned before Will
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is he got double teamed a lot more in 2025 versus 2024.
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And I think one of the reasons he wasn't as productive is
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because they saw that he has this really good long arm move,
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but he doesn't have all these other things.
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And so when they planned to go against TJ Parker, they would
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say, OK, he does this really well, but he doesn't do these
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things. And so here's what we're going
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to do to shut that down. And so he's not going to beat us
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like that. And so I think that's probably
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one of the reasons why he wasn't as productive is double teams
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and because they game planned against what he does really
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well. Right, which is just good
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coaching that that's just what you should do.
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Hey, he does this well. Stop that thing.
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I expect his first year, second year production in the NFL to go
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up from college. He's no longer going to be the
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the spotlight person on the defense.
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He's going from big fish in a small pond to small fish in a
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big pond. He and he's got a lot of
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unrefined raw power, but where he's not going to be the sole
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focus and you can just go one-on-one with somebody rather
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than eating all the double teams or being shipped regularly or
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all these things from the backs and tight ends.
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I think he's going to have a a serious increase in production
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because of that, or they're not shifting blocks and shifting
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line blocking schemes for him specifically.
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And I think he's going to be a great asset to an NFL team.
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And again, he could be either the best player out of out of
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this draft or just a huge watch. And we just have no idea at this
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point. All right.
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Do you have anything else you want to add with TJ Parker?
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Will? I think I've talked about him
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too much already. OK.
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We'll move on then. So the next player on the list
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is Clemson cornerback Avion Terrell, who is currently ranked
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18th on ESP NS Top 50 big Board, right behind TJ Parker.
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So will the question to start off here is, are you concerned
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about Avion Terrell's size? Yes.
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Oh, you want me to expand on that?
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Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.
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I just I didn't. You asked the question, I
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answered it. It was moving on.
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You want to flip the slide here. Oh yeah, sorry.
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Whether it's Lee Hunter and he's too big or it's Ruben Bang, he's
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got short arms. We talk a lot about size on this
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show and here we are back again at 5-10 ish, 511 and a half, 510
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1/2. It depends on the measurements
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You see. His size is going to limit his
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ability to cover power receivers like an A.J.
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Brown or Jamar Chase. He's just physically not not
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going to be able to. If you get 220 LB A.J.
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Brown up against Avion Trail here, AJ Brown's just going to
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literally push him over going up for a 5050 ball.
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You're he's going to get a flex from the elbow as A.J.
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Brown goes up and there's just nothing Avion Trail is going to
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be able to do. Now that being said, he does
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have a brother who plays the Falcons and so it's not like he
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doesn't know already. He has an inside track to this
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is what the NFL really is. He has an inside source to feed
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him information as what is going to happen or this is how.
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This is what the NFL receivers are doing.
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That's different in college. He has a source that can tell
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him everything he needs to do. I think he's going to fit best
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in his own scheme where he's able to free float better and
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crash on a on a route rather than sticking man to man.
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I think he's going to be great corner in the league.
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I just think he's going to be incredibly limited as to what
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he's going to be able to do. I agree, I'm concerned about the
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size as well, especially because where he's going to get drafted,
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if he's going to be a first round pick, a team will likely
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be expecting him to be their corner 1.
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And I just don't think that's going to work in the NFL.
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Because if you look at the receiving leaders from last
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season and you take their size compared to Avion Terrell's,
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you'll see why this matters so much.
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So just to give you the top five guys, JSN is 6 foot 197,
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Pukunuku is 62212, George Pickens is 63200, Jamar Chase is
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6 foot two O 5. Amar St.
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Brown is 6 foot 2O2. That's just the top five guys,
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but every single one of them is bigger than Avion Terrell.
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And I know that most of them are just one inch taller, but
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they're almost 20 lbs heavier. And there are plenty more
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receivers in the NFL who are bigger than him.
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I understand that you can move them around to the slot or
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wherever, but that the problem with that is, is that these
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receivers are also being moved around in today's NFL.
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They play at every spot. So yes, you can move him around,
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but so are the bigger receivers. They're being moved around just
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as much as you could move him around.
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So you could make a mismatch pretty much wherever you want on
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the field because of his size. A good offensive coordinator
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will do that as well. They will see where he's lining
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up and they will motion their power receiver or their biggest
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guy or the most physical guy. They will motion him into that
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same spot. So you're not getting away from
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from me. You're you're going to eat this
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no matter what kind of thing. So that he just needs to expect
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it. And I'm sure he is.
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He's just one of those hard to overlook things.
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Exactly. However, with that being said,
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Avion Terrell does not back down from anybody.
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It doesn't matter how much bigger they are than him, he is
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going to compete as if he is just as big as they are.
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He's not afraid to go up against any receiver regardless of their
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size, and he makes up for his lack of size with his
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competitive nature and by attacking the football.
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He's very good at attacking the football by ripping and pulling
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at the football to cause fumbles.
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He has eight forced fumbles over the last two years, so the size
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does concern me, but he has things about his game that
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helped him to make up for that. So just to wrap up here, size
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does matter. It does.
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Sorry. Some say it doesn't, but it
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does. It does.
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Anyway, one thing I really liked about Avion Terrell too is he
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has the ability to be moved around to defense and play
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different spots. Clemson used him as a blitzer a
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decent amount and as a result of that, he had three sacks in
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2025. Now, 3 sacks doesn't sound
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really cool, but as a corner, 3 sacks is actually really good.
19:38
Agreed. Yeah, there are several
19:39
defensive coordinators in the NFL who would love to use Avion
19:43
Terrell as a blitzer. And so if a defensive
19:46
coordinator is looking for one of those guys in the draft,
19:48
Avion Terrell is definitely someone that they should be
19:50
looking at because he's very good at it.
19:52
Really, I just love that he plays with an underdog mentality
19:55
on every snap because he is smaller than everybody else.
19:58
And I, I think when you watch players like that, they're
20:00
always fun to watch because they're always putting in extra
20:03
effort. And as a fan, that's the type of
20:06
stuff that you like to see. It is a bit of a hard sell
20:09
though, and we'll talk about this more as we as we move
20:11
through our guys here, probably our next guy.
20:13
It's hard to get a secondary player drafted that high.
20:17
Who we're trying to get to blitz and stop the running to make
20:21
make big hits because I want my I personally, I want my
20:24
secondary to cover receivers, cover tight ends, cover these
20:27
guys who they're just going to be outside how Tyrell's just
20:32
going to be outsized by. So it's, it's a hard sell to me
20:35
as a, as a defensive quarter and say, hey, yeah, we need this guy
20:39
and then his measurables just don't measure up.
20:42
It's also a concern because he misses a lot of tackles.
20:44
In 2024, he had a missed tackle rate of 14.1%.
20:48
Now he did improve that in 2025, but he still had a missed tackle
20:51
rate of 10.4%. But when you look at a lot of
20:54
these guys who are some of the best tacklers in this draft,
20:57
they're they're like a 5% or lower missed tackle rate.
21:00
His is more than double that, so you can see that his lack of
21:04
length and his size does affect the way that he's able to secure
21:07
tackles sometimes as well. Yeah, just even a positive note
21:10
here. I do think he's got good ball
21:12
skills and he's incredibly capable of punching the ball
21:15
out. And so I do think he'll make a
21:16
good asset to a team. There's just a lot of a lot of
21:19
question marks that go along with it.
21:21
Agreed. Right, well, let's move on to
21:24
the next player on our list, who is Toledo safety Emmanuel McNeil
21:27
Warren, who is currently ranked 26th on the ESPN Top 50 Big
21:31
Board. Now, if your team has a
21:33
secondary that needs an enforcer, Emmanuel McNeil Warren
21:37
is the guy you're looking for. He's 6, three, 200 lbs and he
21:40
uses every bit of his frame to attack the middle of the field.
21:43
My biggest thing with Emmanuel McNeil Warren is I just wish we
21:47
would have seen him play at a bigger program.
21:49
I think he's going to be a good player at the NFL level, but
21:52
when I watch him on tape, I just felt like things were too easy
21:56
for him. He did make some plays against
21:58
Kentucky and Washington State, like he played teams like that
22:01
who are at a higher level. But most of the time he was
22:04
going against teams like Kent State or Ball State.
22:07
And I've seen a lot of people compare him to Seahawks safety
22:10
Nick Eastman Worry. And I don't hate that comp, but
22:13
I think Emmanuel McNeil Warren might have more of a learning
22:16
curve going into the NFL because Nick Eastman Worry played at
22:19
South Carolina. So he played against teams like
22:21
LSU, Alabama, Ole Miss, Texas A&M.
22:25
He played against teams that are producing constant NFL talent.
22:28
Now, I get that we often see players from small schools who
22:31
come in and have success, and I'm not saying that he won't
22:34
have success, but like I said, things just look too easy for
22:37
him playing against teams that were on Toledo's schedule.
22:41
So I just want to see how he performs when things aren't as
22:44
easy in the NFL. Earlier when I was doing my my
22:48
film study and everything like that of Emmanuel McNeil Warren,
22:51
I texted my brother, Hey, where would you draft a run stopping
22:54
safety who will struggle in single high coverage when he is
22:58
the single high Also who just frankly struggles in man
23:01
coverage in general. And he replied back with, oh,
23:04
you mean an undersized linebacker who could only play
23:07
downhill then 4th at earliest. And I said, well, he's 6422 O1
23:13
with 451 speed. He's like, yeah, still
23:15
underweight. That's gay.
23:18
Then I replied back, what he needs to do is put on 40 lbs and
23:21
shit down and play edge. Now that's not going to happen,
23:24
but that's kind of what we're dealing with.
23:26
And, and I kind of hinted this with Terrell Avion.
23:29
Terrell is that we are in the same scenario we were just in
23:32
where we're talking about a secondary player who cannot play
23:36
man coverage very well, who is a run stopping secondary player.
23:40
It's like Jamal Adams, honestly that was the best comp I can
23:43
think of. And I I want to get back to
23:46
comps here in a minute, but you're going to be with you
23:49
Warren here. You are at risk for big
23:51
downfield place. He's going to get beat by double
23:54
moves. He's going to get outran.
23:56
He's not as fast, he doesn't keep up.
23:58
He doesn't have good in air ball skills.
24:01
He doesn't cover tight well. And when the NFL when you're not
24:05
open, you're still open. You just have to make the play.
24:08
And so I I'm very hesitant here. He's projected at a late 1 early
24:13
2 and I think you are you are putting your secondary at risk
24:18
if you are taking him as late 1 and he's going to be your
24:21
premier safety and he's a true free safety where they want him
24:25
roaming around. They don't even do the strong
24:26
side of the field. They need him on the on the open
24:29
side of the field where it's it's less pressure.
24:32
But still you can't trust him to cover tight ends really, because
24:35
it's tight end of the game. I mean, we talked about Keenan
24:37
Sadiq and that dude's running out of the out of his shoes.
24:40
He's so fast. And so you get, you get these
24:42
big bodied, well crafted receiving tight ends.
24:45
McNeil Warren's going to have struggle against that.
24:47
He's not fast enough to keep up with backs out of the backfield.
24:52
He just is working to make the hit.
24:54
And one thing I I don't like and I will get the stuff I do like,
24:58
one thing I don't like is that each year he had an increased
25:03
rate of missed tackles. Now to put a caveat on that, he
25:07
had a 10% missed tackle rate through his entire college
25:10
career. That is incredibly good, but it
25:13
got worse, not better as he moved through the years, which
25:17
means he was working to make more hits.
25:19
And it might be, as you said, Joel, it might be the fact that
25:21
the game at that level, at that Toledo's level and the the
25:25
conference they were in was just not as competitive as he is.
25:31
And that's that's very possible. He's a very good player, very
25:33
well skilled player. And that he wasn't facing equal
25:37
over competition. And so you get to take more
25:39
risks. You get to take more chances in
25:41
that light. And so the increased missed
25:44
tackle rate throughout his entire season, throughout his
25:48
entire career in Toledo, while also being a run stop and safety
25:52
has me a bit concerned. Yeah.
25:54
And just to go back to something that you mentioned, is that kind
25:56
of like he allows big plays. I just want to give an example
25:59
here of him allowing a big play because it almost felt like at
26:02
times that Emmanuel McNeil Warren let the action come to
26:05
him instead of going. Yes, very much so.
26:08
There was one place specifically that I want to point out where a
26:11
player he wasn't guarding got the ball and started running up
26:14
field. Well, instead of heading
26:16
downhill to the player, he starts backing up like 10 yards
26:19
and he waits for the player to come to him.
26:21
Now on this play, he did force a fumble.
26:23
But the problem with that is if he hadn't forced a turnover, he
26:27
just allowed the guy to get 10 extra yards.
26:29
And that's one of those things that may not work moving up to
26:31
the NFL. You can't afford to wait for a
26:34
guy to go 10 extra yards and just expect to force a fumble
26:37
every time. You can't do that.
26:39
NFL players aren't going to do that.
26:40
You just, that's not something that you can do like and that's
26:43
one of the things that I why I said it just seemed like it was
26:46
too easy for him. Like he was like, oh, I'm just
26:48
going to wait for this guy to come to me and then I'm just
26:50
going to punch the ball out, get a turnover.
26:52
It felt too easy. It felt too easy.
26:54
So that's kind of one of the things that I'm worried about
26:57
for him going into the NFL. And just to go back to the Nicki
27:00
Manwari comp, I'm going to make Seahawks fans mad by saying
27:03
this, but Nicki Manwari was very good in his rookie year.
27:07
But I don't think he would have been as good as he was if the
27:10
Seahawks didn't already have the foundation of that defense that
27:14
they already had when he got there.
27:16
And so if Nicki Minaj is the comp for Emmanuel McNeil Warren,
27:20
unless he's in a secondary and a defense that has all of these
27:24
pieces and he's just one of the last pieces to move in, I don't
27:28
think he's going to be that good.
27:31
I don't think he's going to be as he's he's not going to play
27:34
the same level of Nicki Minouri in his rookie year.
27:36
He just has to go to the right place.
27:38
If he goes to the right place and he has the right role, sure,
27:41
he can be as good as Nicki Minouri was.
27:43
But I don't think if you put Nicki Minouri on The Jets, no,
27:49
he's not going to be that good. And you could say that about
27:51
probably anybody, but do you get what I'm trying to say?
27:54
I mean, even sauce left at that place.
27:56
I, I do get what you're saying. And, and we've said this a lot,
27:59
right, like team fit matters and the players are playing around,
28:02
especially as a young, young NFL player, the the players are
28:06
playing around matters so much because you need to learn from
28:09
the best available. And so even when he went to the
28:12
Seahawks and they just won the Super Bowl, they had the best
28:15
available. And maybe they're the best
28:17
individual players, but your best coaching and your best this
28:20
that and the other because you have to have the best of that to
28:22
win the Super Bowl. And so I agree with here as
28:26
well. He's going to Neil Warren's
28:27
going to have to go to the right fit, right team and he's going
28:30
to have to learn how to to play in man coverage because if
28:33
you're going to play in zone every single time or it's going
28:36
to be mandatory to the zone over the top quarterback, NFL
28:39
quarterbacks, NFL Austin coordinators are going to RIP
28:42
that apart until the last thing you want to be is a team live.
28:46
But he's going to get drafted high and and have to prove
28:49
himself till there's that. There we go.
28:52
I don't know what else I was trying to say.
28:54
All right, so let's move on to the next player on the list,
28:57
which is Alabama offensive tackle Kaden Proctor.
29:00
And he currently ranks 28th on the ESPN Top 50 Big board.
29:04
And Will, I'm very curious to see what you have to say about
29:07
him because I am really not quite sure to be honest with
29:10
you. Yeah.
29:11
And that's kind of the big thing right now with these offensive.
29:13
And we said it was almost every single offensive lineman except
29:15
for I think I, I think I crushed that, truly.
29:20
No, you didn't. I think I got that.
29:22
I think I got. One that was not even.
29:25
No, you, you say it, you say it. Venga Yawani.
29:29
Yeah, that's the same thing I said.
29:31
You can't prove it otherwise. It's not like we're recording
29:34
this or anything. I'm going to roll back the
29:35
replay anyway. We're not talking about that
29:38
anymore. That's been like the one all
29:41
around surefire prospect. The only problem with him is
29:45
that he plays inside. And so now we talked about this
29:48
is our what, 6th tackle? We talked about 7 tackle we
29:51
talked about we talked about one guard and no centers.
29:55
Like yeah, like we know no one is drafting guards and centers
29:59
early. Everyone wants tackles and I I
30:03
think that's fine. But with King Proctor, you're
30:05
getting a mammoth of a man. 6 foot seven, 352 lbs.
30:09
He will. What was that number?
30:11
I he will have 352 lbs is the number he will have.
30:15
To the other one. The other one.
30:16
He will have to I heard a really hard not to do at this time.
30:20
Phil really hard any. Sorry.
30:24
He will have to cut weight in the league, but that's just
30:27
going to happen. You're going to get in there and
30:29
you're going to be putting a strict meal plan and offseason
30:32
training and all this other stuff.
30:34
You will he's going to cut weight.
30:35
There's just no way. Well, not there's no way anyway.
30:38
You can just eat all the garbage you want.
30:40
It doesn't matter how much training you do, you're going to
30:42
gain weight. But it but chances are
30:45
incredibly high he's going to end up cutting weight and
30:48
incredibly athletic forest size 32 1/2 inch vertical and 109
30:53
inch broad jump which blows Lee Hunter out of the water all
30:58
right he jumped a foot further than Lee Hunter with 40
31:01
additional pounds. OK, that is significant.
31:05
I don't mean to keep going back to Lee Hunter, but if that's the
31:10
standard and people are saying why this is that podcast doesn't
31:14
know anything. Listen, I'm comparing individual
31:17
to individual in the same draft class.
31:20
It's not me versus that guy. It's these guys.
31:22
And it's not like I'm eye test visual.
31:25
This is recorded numbers by the NFL combine and Kaden Proctor
31:30
Broad jumped a foot further than him at 40 more pounds.
31:35
That is not nothing. Anywho, he's taller.
31:39
Doesn't matter. Truly doesn't matter anyway.
31:42
I think Kaden Proctor is top three best offensive tackles in
31:47
this. He's like the 6th, maybe 7th
31:49
offensive tackle we talked about.
31:50
He's probably the third best, if not second best offensive tackle
31:53
in this draft. The problem is he's a project,
31:56
right? You can't draft a top 10A
31:59
tackle, top ten. That's going to be an an
32:01
incredible project. He, as we have here, he excels
32:05
against power with an incredibly reliable anchor.
32:07
Anchor. Excuse me?
32:08
You're not running through him. You are, however, running around
32:12
him. His mass is so large, it's truly
32:15
like a train. I don't even know how else to
32:17
explain this. He's got so much mass that when
32:20
that train starts moving One Direction, it just physically
32:23
can't go the other way. And so he's going to have to A,
32:26
like go back to it. Here, he didn't have to cut
32:28
weight and B, get more agile. He's incredibly strong.
32:31
Once his hands get on you, they don't get off.
32:34
He sets his anchor and you're just done.
32:35
You can't go through him. These NFL pass rushers are just
32:39
going to go outside and then spin back in and beat him
32:42
consistently when he is run blocking, he will get out there
32:46
and he leaves with his hands to make contact and then just
32:48
flattens people over. If you don't, if you allow him
32:51
at the second level as linebackers or even wherever
32:55
it's safety is, if you long get your hands on you as is as a
32:58
smaller player, you're just going to go down.
33:01
He's just putting you in the dirt.
33:03
He seals the edge well. He gets to the spot well, but if
33:06
you are any amount agile, you're just going to get around
33:09
Proctor. And so I I like what he has
33:11
going on and I think he could be, again, putting the crystal
33:16
ball out there. What continues in the future.
33:18
He could be a cornerstone piece like a Tristan works kind of guy
33:21
where it's like, man, I'm so glad we drafted this guy.
33:23
He's just been the most consistent piece on our
33:25
offensive line for a decade now. And it's just, we're just not
33:30
there currently. You cannot draft Procter and
33:32
expect him to be your day one starter.
33:34
You can't. That's just not going to happen.
33:37
It it could, you could, but you just know you're going to have
33:40
to put your back in coverage right in that gap between the
33:43
him and the guard every time. And it's just because outside
33:47
he's not getting beat. They start outside and come
33:49
inside, he's going to get beat across his face and it just
33:53
doesn't work for him. So he's got great size, he's got
33:56
incredible strength, powerful mitts.
33:59
It's just he's not agile enough for the NFL at this point.
34:03
He's incredibly battle tested having been a three-year
34:05
starter, three-year starter in the SEC.
34:09
And so it's not that he doesn't have the reps, it's just need,
34:13
we're going to need more out of them.
34:14
Yeah, I don't really have much to add here really.
34:17
The biggest thing that I was going to bring up is that he
34:19
struggles against speed rushers. Now, I know you said Will that
34:23
they don't really get around him like on the outside, but what I
34:27
saw a lot of the time with Kaden Proctor when he's going to get
34:29
to speed rusher is they would get underneath him and then he
34:33
would kind of just fall on them. Yeah, that's the that's the move
34:37
that's very common in NFL. It bothers me.
34:39
It's cheap, it's lazy. It's it's.
34:41
Common it is they get they get underneath and they get around
34:45
him. He literally just drops all his
34:46
body weight and just falls on top of the guy.
34:49
Right when you're 352 lbs, there's just a lot of weight
34:52
there that's just laying on you and you just can't physically do
34:54
anything about it. So yeah, I don't really have
34:56
anything else to add with Kate and Proctor, but I just, I still
35:00
don't really know how I feel about him.
35:02
Just I really like his power. Like I really like the power
35:05
that he has and he wins with power.
35:07
But if I were defensive coordinator, I would find a way
35:10
to get a speed rusher on Kaden Proctor every passing down
35:13
because I just don't think he does well in those situations.
35:16
I agree. Well, I wasn't sure how I felt
35:18
about Kaden Proctor, but I know how I feel about this next guy,
35:21
which is Missouri EDGE Zion Young, who currently ranks 30th
35:25
on the ESPN Top 50 Big Board. I really like Zion Young a lot.
35:29
I just like the way that he plays.
35:31
Zion Young has this energy about him in the way that he plays
35:34
that spreads to the rest of the defense.
35:36
And just to give an example, there was one video I saw where
35:39
the game was going to overtime and the captains were out there
35:41
for both sides. And while the official was
35:43
talking, Zion Young was just out there just yelling let's go,
35:47
let's go. And the official was talking
35:49
into his mic so you could hear it throughout the entire
35:52
stadium. Like he was just getting
35:53
everybody hyped up for overtime. I thought that the entire
35:56
Missouri defense fed off of Zion Young One, because of how he
36:00
plays attitude wise and 2:00 because of how often he is
36:04
making impact plays. Now, when you look at Zion
36:06
Young's numbers, they're not going to jump off the page at
36:09
you. He's only had he only had 6 1/2
36:11
sacks this last season and so that you won't be impressed by
36:14
that. But then when you watch his
36:16
tape, you see how often he's making plays that just impact
36:19
the quarterback. Zion Young was consistently in
36:22
the face of quarterbacks and making them make throws that led
36:25
to to incomplete passes or turnovers.
36:28
Now I'm not saying that he's a super refined pass rusher
36:31
because I think he has a lot of room to grow in that area.
36:33
Still. He wins with power and by
36:36
bullying people. But he needs to work on getting
36:38
better at counter moves because I think when something doesn't
36:41
work for him, he just defaults back to power and I think that's
36:44
why he's not always getting the sack.
36:46
Right now he's more of a go through you type of a pass
36:49
rusher versus a get around the edge fast type of a pass rusher.
36:52
I would have liked to have seen it.
36:53
I didn't. I didn't pull it up.
36:55
I didn't search too too hard for I would have liked to have seen
36:57
Zion young versus Kaden Proctor tape.
36:58
I think that would have been fun to watch.
37:00
Yeah, it's too it's it's your skill sets going against your
37:04
best skill sets going against each other and that is just fun
37:07
to watch my best verse your best that's it's it's exciting.
37:11
I'm incredibly indifferent about this guy.
37:13
I think, I don't remember who I said this about earlier, but
37:16
he's another guy who is just going to get in fights in the
37:20
offseason when they. Oh, you said that about Venga
37:23
Yuani. Oh, sure.
37:24
Yeah. Perfect.
37:25
Wonderful. If these two are opposing teams
37:28
and offseason practices, those two will fight like it's just
37:32
going to be a problem. The chirping is great and the
37:35
chirping is fun, but eventually these offensive lineman are just
37:39
bigger and most likely stronger than you.
37:42
And so he's going to have to learn to not run his mouth.
37:44
Because again, we're going big fish small pond to small fish,
37:48
big pond. And running your mouth like that
37:50
is what you want your defense to do.
37:53
But at the same time, hey, maybe we want to assign an assassin
37:56
here too. And if you don't have the stats
37:58
to back up the mouth, that's going to cause significant
38:01
issues because your offensive line, you, you start chirping at
38:05
the offensive lineman and you're not in the next play.
38:08
Those offensive lineman don't care who's across from them.
38:10
You made me mad. I'm hitting hard at the next guy
38:13
who comes across. And so it's it.
38:15
It could get him in trouble with his own team too.
38:17
Incredible Run stalker, though. Run stocking calling card.
38:20
He he stacks blocker, he sheds with violence, he holds his
38:23
ground against double team, His £262.00 gives him a good anchor
38:27
to stand there and just hold the block.
38:29
That's the line of scrimmage. And then like we talked about,
38:32
his motor never stops running, consistently chasing plays down.
38:36
You'll never hear lack of effort be a word with Zione Young and
38:39
it starts with his feet and runs all the way through his mouth
38:42
and he just never stops moving. Yeah, he's a very good run
38:45
defender. And like you mentioned, against
38:46
double teams, he just holds his ground because of his strength
38:50
and he's always right there at the line of scrimmage.
38:53
And that's a big reason why he had 16 1/2 tackles for loss last
38:56
season, because even against those double teams, offensive
38:59
lineman struggled to push him back off the line of scrimmage.
39:02
And so Zion Young put himself in position to make plays because
39:05
he held his ground, maintained his assignment, And so when the
39:07
ball came his way, he was just right there to make the play.
39:10
So he's very, very good as a run defender.
39:13
I do want to go back to what Will said about the fighting
39:15
thing though, because this is something that we haven't really
39:18
talked about yet with any of these players we've scouted.
39:20
There are character concerns with Zion Young because in 2023
39:24
he was charged with aggravated assault after being involved in
39:26
a fight after a game, and then this last December he was
39:30
arrested for a DWI. So if it wasn't for his
39:33
character concerns, I think he would easily be a first round
39:36
pick. But he's really talented.
39:38
But teams are just going to have to ask themselves if they want
39:40
to deal with someone who gets themselves into trouble like
39:43
this. If it wasn't for the DWI this
39:46
last December, I think he would probably easily be a first round
39:49
pick. But because you know, the thing
39:52
that happened in 2023, if there was nothing else that happened
39:55
after that and he's, you know, showing that he's not going to
39:58
get himself in trouble. And he's he's matured and he's
40:01
grown up a little bit, then that's a different story.
40:03
But because he got in that fight and then a couple years later he
40:07
has a DWI, you're still kind of showing teams like, yeah, I'm
40:11
going to be a problem for you. You have to worry about me.
40:14
And so I think that's one of the things that's pushing him back
40:17
into the second round range. Instead of being a first round
40:19
Jack pick. Yeah, I agree with that.
40:21
Another negative, not to build on that, but as separately from
40:24
that is that he just plays too tall at six foot six.
40:27
He just doesn't get his leverage right, which is why he's not as
40:29
good in the pass rush. There's just a lot to fix here,
40:31
a lot to fix on and off the field and that that creates a
40:35
lot of red flags and that's kind of what we're going to start
40:37
getting into. But we're in this range where
40:38
it's like, yeah, they're good, but they're not like you're not
40:42
like Arvo Reese, like are we? What are we doing here?
40:48
So yeah, I agree with you. I agree with you.
40:51
All right, so we got one more player here and that is Alabama
40:54
wide receiver Jeremy Bernard, who is currently ranked 33rd on
40:58
ESP NS Top 50. Big Board will give me some
41:01
thoughts on Jeremy Bernard. Who?
41:05
Man? He's fine.
41:07
No, I'm just kidding. He was Ty Simpson's go to guy
41:12
this year. He was the playmaker for Alabama
41:15
in the passing game. He had over 100 rushing yards
41:18
this season as well. Good size, 6 foot 1200 and 6
41:20
lbs. He owns the intermediate field,
41:23
dig rounds, crossing slants, all that kind of stuff.
41:25
Anything from 8 to 18 yards. That's his range from is.
41:28
You're not going to get him vertical.
41:30
He's not a vertical threat. He's not your Devonta Smith.
41:32
He's not your admin insert player here, right?
41:35
We don't need to go through them all.
41:37
But when he does get the ball in his hands, he then turns up
41:40
field and acts physically. He runs physically.
41:44
He's not fast. He's not slow by any means.
41:46
I'm slow. He's not slow, but he runs
41:49
physically when he gets the ball in his hands and he plays
41:51
through contact. Good body control, good balance
41:54
to keep inside and to work in tight spaces, which you're going
41:56
to have to do if you're running slants and everything like that.
42:00
Sees the ball well through the congestion and that's
42:03
significantly harder that people give him credit for.
42:05
Running a slant route where there's quite possibly 15
42:09
people, 88 to 15 people between you and the quarterback and
42:12
you're on a 5 yard slant, 3 yard slant, whatever you want to call
42:15
it. And he's zipping the ball in
42:16
there as fast as he can because it's so congested.
42:18
You're going to see the ball through that and still make the
42:21
play. It's not an easy task and it's
42:22
it's where Jeremy Bernard really excels.
42:24
Yeah, I think Jeremy Bernard is going to be a really good NFL
42:27
player. I don't know if I see him being
42:29
a legit number one wide receiver, though, but I think
42:32
there's a lot to like about him and I think he's going to be
42:34
just a really solid player in the NFL.
42:37
What I was most impressed with about Jeremy Bernard's game is
42:40
how smooth of a transition there is when he goes from making the
42:43
catch to being a runner. As soon as that ball hits his
42:45
hands, he's turning up field for yards after the catch.
42:48
And a lot of times when we see that from receivers, we see
42:51
drops because they're just going too fast and they lose focus.
42:54
They're focused on getting up the field instead of bringing in
42:57
the ball. But that's not the case with
42:59
Jeremy Bernard. He had 155 catches in college
43:02
with only four drops in four years, Which which is 2.5%.
43:07
He just makes the transition from catching to being a runner
43:09
look really easy and that's a big part of why he's good at
43:13
picking up yards after the catch.
43:14
In 2025, he had 394 yards after the catch, which was 46% of his
43:20
receiving yards. And he's got a really good size
43:22
frame and he just uses that after the catch to absorb hits
43:24
from defenders and breaks tackles.
43:27
So that to me was probably the most impressive thing about him
43:30
and and is similar to Omer Cooper Junior.
43:32
There is a place in the NFL for a guy who can break a lot of
43:35
tackles and get a lot of yards after the catch.
43:38
Agreed. And it's every team.
43:41
I mean, it's literally every team, yes.
43:43
So yes. Another thing I liked about him
43:45
is that Jeremy Bernard can be lined up all over the offense.
43:49
He's not limited to just playing on the outside or playing in the
43:52
slot. He has a skill set that allows
43:54
him to create mismatches for a defense.
43:57
So in 2025, he lined up wide 62.2% of the time and in the
44:01
slot 34.5% of the time. He also took 18 snaps as a
44:05
runner, which I'm assuming is where the remaining 3.3% comes
44:08
from. He had 101 yards on 18 carries,
44:11
which is 5.6 yards per carry, and then he added two rushing
44:14
touchdowns. So he can play multiple spots on
44:17
the field and he plays all of them pretty well.
44:21
I was not expecting to like this, to like him, honestly.
44:25
We're we're this part in the draft.
44:26
We talked about a handful of receivers.
44:28
I haven't talked good about that, most of them.
44:30
And so it's it's interesting to find the player of his caliber
44:33
who's making the call. They can make it almost out like
44:35
catches getting up field as much as you can.
44:38
It's just a knock on him is that he doesn't have #1 receiver
44:43
speed, he is a #1 receiver, deep threat, viability.
44:47
And so people aren't viewing him as a #1 receiver.
44:49
He's not being talked about as a well, he's going to be a number
44:51
one in the NFL. He's just a a key fit piece.
44:56
And and so it's like, OK, that is those are the guys that make
45:00
the most plays. Look at look at Brady's teams.
45:03
You got the small not not that Jeremy Bernard is a smaller guy
45:06
beat the smaller guy coming across the middle with Edelman
45:09
and and Woodhead and all these guys who were just all right,
45:11
let me just throw this 5 yard pass and just do your thing.
45:14
Make the play Cooper Cup's the same way.
45:16
Now Cooper Cup has more of a threat, but it was more of a
45:19
threat. But it's it's all these come
45:21
across the middle. I mean get the ball in the
45:22
playmaker's hand and just do your thing.
45:24
That's what Jeremy Bernard is. I mean the ball in your hand as
45:27
quickly as possible and then just do your thing.
45:29
He absorbs contact really well and and gets up feel like I and
45:33
I'm really fond of him. If if he falls to late second,
45:37
maybe third, he's going to be an absolute steal.
45:40
I think he's probably going to be a second round pick.
45:42
I don't know where in the second round.
45:43
I don't see him falling to the third though.
45:45
But you're right, if he falls that far, he's going to be a
45:48
steal. Now, the area where I'm most
45:51
concerned about Jamie Bernard, and this is probably the reason
45:54
why he's not viewed as a number one wide receiver is his ability
45:58
to win contested catches is not good.
46:02
In 2025, he caught 5 of 14 contested catches, which is
46:05
35.7%. So much like Omar Cooper junior
46:09
from Indiana, he has the size and physicality to do it, but it
46:13
just doesn't show up in the actual situation where he's
46:16
trying to make a contested catch.
46:17
It just doesn't match his physicality as a runner that you
46:21
would expect from him in the air.
46:22
So that's kind of why I think he's not viewed as a number one
46:25
wide receiver. But again, I really, really like
46:29
him a lot and I think he's going to be just a really solid player
46:32
in the NFL. I can agree with that.
46:34
OK. So Will, if you don't have
46:35
anything else to add about Jeremy Bernard, I know that I
46:39
said last time that I wanted to wait for Avery to kind of rank
46:43
our guys because we we've gotten the rankings done one through
46:47
21, but now we have 37 players on the list.
46:50
And I just we have a lot of guys on here.
46:52
And so I think we kind of need to just rank.
46:54
We don't have to rank all of them, but I would like to rank
46:56
at least some of these guys and put them in here.
46:58
And then when Avery comes back, we can have him give us some
47:01
feedback on where we ranked them.
47:03
So 22 through 37, we have the players on here that we have not
47:07
ranked and these are not in any particular order.
47:09
They're just guys that I just put their name on the board, so.
47:12
All right, so the Lee Hunter goes to 37.
47:14
No, I'm just kidding. Although I don't think it's far
47:20
off honestly that I am. I'm wrong about this guy on on
47:25
his production level. That's going to happen in the
47:27
NFLI. Understand that this is going to
47:29
be an ice cold take here in in seven months or whatever.
47:34
I'm not wrong about his athleticism and that that is
47:38
what worries me the most because there's some of the stuff that
47:40
you can't teach, but that's fine.
47:44
I think you want to crushed it two times in a row.
47:48
Yoani. No, I know what I said.
47:51
He probably goes man, I want to say top 15, but top 15 feels.
47:58
No I agree he should be top 15. That feels right.
48:01
Maybe at 15. Is he higher?
48:03
Let's. See, I would probably put him at
48:07
10 honestly. I don't disagree with that, I
48:10
just want to say something to do crazy to make you mad.
48:12
No, I think he's a better player than Keldrick Faulk because
48:15
Keldrick Faulk is kind of a potential guy and you want a is
48:18
like I'm going to produce for you right now type of guy.
48:20
Agreed. So I'm going to put him at 10
48:23
between Mackay Lemon and Keldrick Falk.
48:25
Now, just so you know, Will Lee Hunter is ranked at 36 on ESPN's
48:29
Top 50 Big Board. So oh, I don't feel so bad.
48:31
Problem. Yeah, I heard, he said.
48:32
The problem get him out of. Here, get him out of.
48:34
Here, Good calling. I hit that right on the nail,
48:38
man. That guy is.
48:40
You notice that Jeremy McCoy has no grade just like that point.
48:45
He does not. There's two things that Will
48:47
cannot let go is that is that Jermont McCoy did not play and
48:51
he's still not playing and Lee Hunter is a bad athlete.
48:54
Mahomes tour is ACL right? That's what happened, yes.
48:58
How old is he 3229? No, he's not that old.
49:03
All right, this is this matters. I'm on one now.
49:06
What is that dude's name? Patrick.
49:09
Patrick Mahomes is 3030. You know what?
49:11
I was right in the middle. He'll be 31.
49:13
He'll be 31, like at the beginning of the season.
49:17
Patrick Mahomes knee injury. Oh, here, look, here's a quick
49:23
Google AI. How long is an ACL tear recovery
49:26
time for NFL players? 9 to 12 months.
49:31
All right, Mahomes is already back on the field, and that
49:34
happened week to 12, Week 13 last year.
49:40
It was less than a year, I can tell you that it's.
49:42
Well, way less than a year. Sorry, I'm getting mad about it,
49:45
obviously. And that he's 30 and your mom,
49:48
McCoy is in his early 20s. And just like we say, well,
49:51
kids, they recover easy. When you're younger, you heal
49:55
easier. Your body is an easier time
49:57
healing most of the time. Obviously there's outlying
49:59
circumstances. I just think that to me, that
50:04
puts McCoy at like 36 that truly I'm fine with leaving him there,
50:09
but you have nothing to judge him off of because he's not
50:13
participating and the best ability is availability and he's
50:17
just not available. Now, I'm not saying we should do
50:19
it. I just I.
50:21
Have no problem with. That he's not.
50:22
I have no problem with that. Even that was an accident, that
50:25
was. That was not taking him overly
50:27
Hunter. I have no problem with him being
50:30
at 36 this. Is this is what happens when you
50:32
give me the the sticks here and allow me to make these changes?
50:37
All right, man, What do you think, Joel?
50:42
I'm obviously we're not done yet.
50:44
Are we going off of athleticism or actual prospects?
50:47
What are we doing here? I think we're going off of
50:50
potential, but I also think that you have to take into
50:53
consideration where they are right now as a player too,
50:57
because Keldrick Falk to me is not.
51:01
I don't think he's going to be a contributor as at least as a
51:03
pass rusher right away. He's more of a potential guy.
51:06
That's the thing. I'd rather go off of kind of a
51:08
combination of the two. Does that make sense?
51:10
I think Kate McDonald should move to number one since he
51:12
commented on one of our posts. That's pretty cool.
51:16
I mean I should pretty. Cool, shout out Kate McDonald,
51:18
we'll gladly have you on the show anytime.
51:20
Absolutely no. But like generally though, he
51:22
should go above Caleb Lomu. I mean, he's, I'm debating.
51:26
See, I don't think he's more athletic than David Bailey,
51:28
though. David Bailey is incredibly
51:31
athletic. I'm cool with putting Kate
51:32
McDonald right there at 16, I think.
51:34
That's a good spot. I like that.
51:35
The thing that Avery's going to struggle with is Dylan Feneman,
51:38
because Avery is probably like the biggest Dylan Feneman fan
51:41
out there. Where would you put him, Will?
51:43
I mean, right above Ruben Bain, he's a top 20 player, but he
51:47
won't get drafted that way because of his position and
51:49
value. I think he will.
51:51
I think there's a lot of hype around him going to the top 20
51:53
right now. OK, will I have a question for
51:55
you? I'm listening.
51:56
So this is a question that somebody asked us on our YouTube
52:00
page. The question was who is the
52:02
better guard, prospect Francis Maui Noah or Venga Yoani?
52:07
Interesting because Maui Noah is not a guard.
52:09
Right. But there is a lot of talk about
52:10
him. Moving to guard.
52:11
I mean, I I do believe that's one of the first things if I
52:13
have written down for Maui Noah. Oh no, I had that written down
52:17
about Fano. The answer is and you're saying
52:20
this, just keep me keep saying his name.
52:21
Venga Uana. I'm 3 for three on this guy's.
52:25
Name. You got the first name right
52:27
that time, but the last name. Was no, I'm getting it right
52:29
every time. Venga Yoani.
52:33
That's what I said. What's that?
52:36
Look, I'm hearing the same thing in my ears.
52:39
You can't tell me my personal opinion is wrong.
52:41
My opinion on how to say his name.
52:44
His name that has a way to say it.
52:49
So you think just as a guard it's Benga Iwani?
52:52
Yes, yes. But I don't think you're putting
52:54
Iwani in the tackle spot. And because you can do both with
52:58
Mali Noah, that just makes him hire on the board to me.
53:02
Exactly. And that's that's exactly what I
53:04
responded with is just as a pure guard, I'm going Iwane.
53:09
But as a player who has more versatility, it's Maui Noah.
53:12
Because Maui Noah played tackle in college, but you can move him
53:15
to the guard, which we see players do that all the time
53:18
going from college to the NFL, but we don't see players moving
53:21
from guard in college to tackle in the NFL.
53:23
So I think that just as a pure guard, you'll want it easily,
53:28
but as a player with more versatility, it's got to be Maui
53:31
Noah. Let's just finish with this one
53:33
player and we'll put him into our rankings and then we can
53:35
kind of do the rest when Avery comes back.
53:37
Where would you put Ty Simpson? Do you think Ty Simpson should
53:40
be drafted in the first round? Yeah, I think the answer is yes,
53:44
because if you're going to build for the future, then you have to
53:47
spend first round picks now for my starting players later and
53:51
and I said on the show here, we all said he's not a starter out
53:54
in the eights. He's not.
53:56
You want this is a Jordan Love type prospect where you bring
53:58
him in, you keep him SAT and then eventually he will start
54:02
for you as a first round pick. But it's not a this year thing.
54:05
And so I I do think he's worth a first round pick, but just like
54:09
a late one with the knowledge that he's not going to be our
54:13
team's go to guy this year. And it's incredibly high, an
54:16
incredibly high amount of pressure for these rookies to
54:19
come in and lead an NFL franchise day one when they were
54:23
first round pick. I I imagine we see what's his
54:27
bucket, Fernando Mendoza. I think we see him struggle for
54:31
a while, maybe even the whole year.
54:32
It is the Raiders, but he's going to have a hard time
54:35
getting there and then becoming an established NFL player
54:38
because it's it's just a different speed of the game.
54:41
So if you are in the in the mid to late first round and you have
54:45
a quarterback who is potentially going to retire in the next year
54:49
and you're the Rams and you want to get a guy in and you want to
54:52
be, hey, here is your protege. We're not kicking you out.
54:56
You stay as long as you want. Just know that when you go, we
55:01
need this guy to do what you can do to some level.
55:04
Or if you're the Steelers and you've got possibly have Aaron
55:07
Rodgers for one more year, or if you're I don't even know who,
55:13
who else has an old quarterback that is going to retire semi
55:17
soon? Even semi soon, not even like
55:19
soon, soon like middle guys. It's the Rams for sure.
55:24
There's not really a lot of old guys.
55:26
Yeah, it's the Rams and the and maybe the Steelers.
55:29
Who knows what's going on there, right?
55:31
I can't really think. There's not a lot of.
55:34
Really. That old.
55:35
I mean, we just have to. My Homes is only 30, although
55:39
he's been in the league for what seems like an eternity.
55:46
There's a lot of young quarterbacks still, so maybe,
55:49
maybe not. If if you're not the Rams or the
55:51
Steelers who have older quarterbacks as you're starters,
55:56
then maybe it's not worth it because you're not working to
55:57
move on soon. Or maybe that's the other factor
56:00
is that you're looking to move on sooner.
56:01
You're not going to be able to re sign your young quarterback
56:04
to the contract they're going to want moving forward.
56:06
Hey, let's bring this guy in on a rookie deal and move on.
56:09
So it's, it's a part of a situational, obviously you're
56:13
drafting info prospect, but I I think it is worth it if you're
56:17
trying to plan for the future and you don't think you can get
56:19
an an immediate starter in the next couple years.
56:23
OK, well, just to give you an answer here.
56:24
Will I look this up? So there's Aaron Rodgers, who is
56:27
42, and then there is Matthew Stafford, who's 37.
56:32
The next guy down who you could say is like a legitimate starter
56:37
right now is Jacoby Percent at 33.
56:40
And then after that, it's Dak Prescott at 32.
56:43
So there's not really anybody else aside from those two guys
56:47
who are like in that range of he's going to retire soon.
56:51
That's that's really interesting because we had, we just had a,
56:54
well, maybe not dressed, that's the wrong word.
56:55
I'm getting kind of old, but it felt like we just had a crop of
56:58
guys with the Drew Brees, he's in the Hall of Fame.
57:02
He's retired for more than five years.
57:03
Peyton Manning, he's in the Hall of Fame.
57:05
OK, you know what? I'm just talking out of nowhere,
57:08
but but it felt like it feels like we.
57:10
Joe Flacco still in the league? Joe Flacco is still in the
57:13
league. He's just not a starter.
57:15
He's just the guy who's going to come in and start when the
57:17
starter gets hurt. Right, true.
57:19
And and excel at it. Yeah, I know.
57:22
I I think he. Was 40 by the way.
57:24
The only way you're drafting Tysons in the first round, in my
57:26
opinion, is if you're looking for him to start in the first
57:28
couple years, excuse me, and like the second set of years, a
57:31
year 234 was the back half of his working contract.
57:35
But that is because you don't like your current quarterback
57:37
situation. You know, trust your current
57:39
quarterback situation or you think it's not your current
57:41
quarterback situation is not going to play well in two to
57:45
three years. OK, so let's just rank him.
57:48
Where would you rank him on the big board?
57:50
I actually don't hate where he's at right now.
57:52
Now, the people in front of him might need to move around, but
57:56
the 2025 to 27 I feel like is the right spot for him.
57:59
Maybe at 25, I know we haven't ranked, we haven't officially
58:03
ranked CJ Allen or Omar Cooper Junior yet.
58:05
And maybe we do that. We put him at 23 with the
58:08
knowledge that, hey, he's going to get.
58:10
He's probably going to get moved out.
58:11
OK, that's fair. Because I don't, I don't think
58:14
that if the Rams were to draft him at pick 13, the entire world
58:19
would have the knowledge, the entire NFL fandom world would
58:21
have the knowledge. There are better players that
58:24
they could have drafted, but they're drafting for the future.
58:27
If the if the Steelers pick them at 21/20/19 right in that range,
58:34
I don't know what pick they have basically, but if they pick them
58:36
with their first round, pick 22. It doesn't matter if they pick
58:39
them at that late round. 2021. 21 I say even question first
58:43
try. It's a she was.
58:45
Like you want his name? Exactly.
58:47
I've got that three of them three times anyway, Vegas Umami,
58:51
obviously. And so if the Cedars take him at
58:54
21, you're at a point where it's like, well, this is like the
58:58
right pick. We've got Rodgers for another
59:00
year. This was the right pick at the
59:02
right time. It's it doesn't feel like a
59:04
stretch, doesn't feel like we're reaching.
59:07
It just is the safe right move. OK.
59:10
Well, hopefully next week we'll have Avery back with us so we
59:14
can actually rank the rest of his players.
59:17
Yeah, we truly don't know anymore.
59:18
We don't know if he exists even. But it would be nice to have
59:22
ball number two and four back. And yes, we did order our balls.
59:27
Naturally. So yeah, we have 37 players on
59:31
the big board right now, so we need to get all those done
59:33
because with the NFL draft just a few weeks away, we need to get
59:37
as many players on the big board as we can and get them in the
59:40
order that we want them before the draft happens.
59:42
So we're probably going to be in scouting report mode for the
59:44
next few weeks moving up to the NFL draft.
59:46
But that's all we have time for on today's episode, guys.
59:48
And as always, don't forget to keep your balls played with.
59:51
We'll see you next time. Also, Mark Davis's haircut still
59:55
sucks.