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Sharri | 20 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Thanks Andrew and have a great, well deserved break.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 1: In breaking news, the Prime Minister finally admits he should
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Speaker 1: never have done that podcast. Still no apology, though, I'll
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Speaker 1: bring you his comments in a moment. And Pauline Hansen
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Speaker 1: is pushing to release what she calls a secret video
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Speaker 1: of the alleged Bondai shooters. I'll talk about this with
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Speaker 1: Matt Canavan. And how did police get it so wrong
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Speaker 1: as to tell Lily Hooper's poor parents that she was
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Speaker 1: alive when she'd never be coming home. Plus Pennywang recklessly
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Speaker 1: inflames hatred against Israel and Zionists with her slander against
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Speaker 1: the Israeli government, which is completely separate from its judicial system.
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Speaker 1: I'll get to that shortly, but first to the tragic
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Speaker 1: news today about bride and beautiful eighteen year old Lily
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Speaker 1: Hooper who went for a hike in the Southern Highlands
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Speaker 1: and never met at home. Today the devastating discovery of
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Speaker 1: her body. Well, Lily went for a hike in the
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Speaker 1: National Park last Wednesday. She's understood to have texted her
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Speaker 1: family during the day, but when she hadn't returned home
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Speaker 1: by ten pm, her worried family notified police. That was
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Speaker 1: eight long days ago, and shockingly, Lily's parents were initially
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Speaker 1: told today that she'd been found alive, and they celebrated,
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Speaker 1: toasting beers at the news and punching the air. Her father,
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Speaker 1: Jim told the Daily Telegraph, Lily is alive. My girl
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Speaker 1: is alive. She's a trooper. She's coming home. I never
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Speaker 1: gave up on her. That Tim Tams worked. Tim Tams
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Speaker 1: were her favorite news, so that I was premier. Chris
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Speaker 1: Mins was told the same wrong information during a televised
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Speaker 1: parliamentary hearing, and after checking with an adviser, as you'll
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Speaker 1: see on your screen, he said this.
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Speaker 3: And her plans to reconsider it, but.
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Speaker 4: Well, look at it is. This is this accurate?
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Speaker 3: Yes, so we've got some with respect, we've got some
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Speaker 3: fantastic news, mister chair, Lily Hoopo has been found found
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Speaker 3: in the bush with half a bottle of water with her.
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Speaker 3: So that's fantastic news.
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Speaker 1: But just a few minutes later he received the devastating news,
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Speaker 1: as did Lily's father, who was reportedly taken by a
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Speaker 1: member of the emergency services for a private chat. Jim
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Speaker 1: walked away seconds later and slumped into a chair with
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Speaker 1: his head in his hands. Here was Men's after being
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Speaker 1: told that unbearable news. Yeah, get the advice another matter,
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Kate.
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Speaker 3: I've got some terrible news, and I apologize to the committee.
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Speaker 3: But it seems as if the early advice was wrong
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Speaker 3: and Lily's body has been found and she's been found deceased.
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Speaker 3: And only raise that because older, only raise that because
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Speaker 3: I made the early advice, and I'm very sorry for that.
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Speaker 3: But this is obviously devastating and I'm just profoundly sad
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Speaker 3: for a family and for all those concerns, and I
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Speaker 3: apologize to the committee.
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Speaker 5: This is known as terrible nas.
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Speaker 1: The Premiere also later issued an apology, saying that he
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Speaker 1: was sorry to think that anything he said may have
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Speaker 1: added to her parents heartbreak during this already devastating time,
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Speaker 1: and that Angus Taylor and Albanzi both spoke about her
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Speaker 1: tragic passing in parliament.
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Speaker 6: Elie Hooper had so much more to offer the world.
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Speaker 6: Her passing, I have no doubt, will be felt very deeply.
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Speaker 7: Any parent who reads this news will hug their children
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Speaker 7: tighter tonight.
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Speaker 1: Well, of course, there needs to be an internal inquiry
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Speaker 1: as to why Lily's poor mum and dad Jim and
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Speaker 1: Kierley were told that their daughter was alive.
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Speaker 8: This only added to their.
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Speaker 1: Agony, and police were grilled about this today, but they
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Speaker 1: defended their actions, claiming it was only less than ten
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Speaker 1: minutes when Lily's parents believed she was alive. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that was an unbelievable response. Ten minutes is ten minutes
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Speaker 1: too long. Here was Assistant Commissioner Joseph Sizar.
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Speaker 9: They were informed that initial arm the initial information that
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Speaker 9: the searchers believed that she was alive, and that's what
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Speaker 9: was communicated. But like I said, within the eight to
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Speaker 9: ten minutes, we were able to give him an update
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Speaker 9: which was a more accurate account of the discovery of
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Speaker 9: the person who believed to be Lily.
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Speaker 1: I mean he claimed that the communication was a challenge,
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Speaker 1: that was the issue, and that police were just trying
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Speaker 1: to keep Lily's mum and dad informed. I mean, he
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Speaker 1: would have been better off apologizing like Chris Mins did,
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Speaker 1: and like the Commissioner mel Lanion did an hour and
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Speaker 1: a half later. Now we still don't know what happened
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Speaker 1: to Lily.
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Speaker 8: Did she fall, did she.
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Speaker 1: Get lost, or was there something more sinister? The police
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Speaker 1: say it's just too early for these answers. Almost one
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Speaker 1: hundred Australian Defense FOSS personnel had joined emergency services and
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Speaker 1: volunteers to help search for her, with drones and helicopters
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Speaker 1: scouring the park from the air. Police described the terrain
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Speaker 1: as thick, dense and difficult. There will be a coronial
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Speaker 1: investigation and a police investigation, and her parents need answers,
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Speaker 1: both of course about what happened to their daughter, but
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Speaker 1: also why they were misled to believe she was still alive. Now,
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Speaker 1: just a couple of things to say about Penny Wong,
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Speaker 1: who today hold in the Israeli ambassador to berate him
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Speaker 1: over news that Israel wouldn't pursue criminal charges over the
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Speaker 1: tragic but accidental death of Australian aid worker Zomi Frankem
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Speaker 1: in a war zone. Now, Pennywong claimed inaccurately that this
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Speaker 1: was in Israeli government decision. We know she hates Benjamin NETANYAHUO.
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Speaker 10: Australia is outraged by the Israeli government's decision to not
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Speaker 10: pursue any criminal proceedings against those responsible for killing Zomi
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Speaker 10: Frankcom and her World Central Kitchen colleagues.
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Speaker 1: Her messaging is dangerous because like in Australia, the Israeli
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Speaker 1: government is independent of its military justice system. The Israeli
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Speaker 1: government can't command the judiciary to charge someone, just like
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Speaker 1: ALBANIZI can't ask our judicial system to imprison someone. It's independent,
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Speaker 1: and it's so independent that former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud
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Speaker 1: Olmott was jailed for corruption and current Prime Minister Netanyahu
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Speaker 1: remains on trial. Pennywog, of course would know this, which
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Speaker 1: means her language is deliberately reckless and inflammatory. It or
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Speaker 1: make anti Semites freshly angry at Israel and by extension, Jews,
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Speaker 1: and we know this can have devastating consequences. And what's more,
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Speaker 1: Israel is pursuing criminal charges into other cases arising from
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Speaker 1: the DF's conduct in Gaza. Again, Penny Wong would know this. Secondly,
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Speaker 1: Wog's own investigator, the former Chief of the Australian Defense
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Speaker 1: Foss Mark Binskin, did his own investigation. He went over
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Speaker 1: there and he found that the world's central kitchen strike
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Speaker 1: was accidental. Israeli soldiers had seen armed men on board
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Speaker 1: the convoy and mistook them for terrorists, and as a
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Speaker 1: result of this tragic mistake, Israel sacked two officers and
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Speaker 1: reprimanded three. Its action was swift, and Binskin in his
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Speaker 1: official report, which I pulled up today, again, he said this.
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Speaker 1: She said, it is my assessment that Israel's acceptance of
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Speaker 1: accountability for the first April World Central Kitchen incident and investigation,
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Speaker 1: reporting and responding has to this point been timely, appropriate
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Speaker 1: and with some exceptions sufficient. He reviewed all the evidence,
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Speaker 1: including the drone footage Pennywong was demanding today, and he
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Speaker 1: did not recommend criminal charges. Again, Pennywong's own investigator did
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Speaker 1: not recommend criminal charges. I mean, it's extraordinary how Pennywong
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Speaker 1: is prepared to dismiss her own expert that she sent
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Speaker 1: in to investigate. But the bigger point is this. Another Australian,
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Speaker 1: Gullic Carbone, was killed on October seven. She was murdered
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Speaker 1: by her Musk terrorists while she was at home Incubutz Barry.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't accidental, it was deliberate, and while she was hiding,
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Speaker 1: she phoned her brother, Danny Masner, who was also hiding
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Speaker 1: in his home nearby at the same Keyboats. And here's
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Speaker 1: what Daddy told me. When I visited Gullits destroyed home.
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Speaker 11: She rang me at twelve or nine twelve PM and
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Speaker 11: telling me that she hears them inside the house and
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Speaker 11: she's not sure if she locked the door, didn't lock
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Speaker 11: the door, as if it really matters, And I told her, okay,
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Speaker 11: let's whisper, let's not them here that let them know
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Speaker 11: that someone's there.
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Speaker 4: She was in a safety room.
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Speaker 11: Of course, she was holding the handle, and you know,
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Speaker 11: it's either who's going to bend first.
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Speaker 8: You know, she didn't stand a chance.
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Speaker 11: Not one chance. My father was overseas. He's a ninety
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Speaker 11: one year it was a ninety at the time, you
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Speaker 11: old Holocaust survivor from France, and I had to tell
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Speaker 11: him that his daughter was murdered on the keyboats by Yeah,
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Speaker 11: it was certainly and definitely the hardest thing I had
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Speaker 11: to do in my life.
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Speaker 1: Hermas was responsible and harmas leaders are now living a
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Speaker 1: life of luxury in Qatar and Turkey. And I'd like
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Speaker 1: to know what Penny Wong and the Albanezy government has
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Speaker 1: done to seek their responsibility for the murder of this
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Speaker 1: Australian Galit Carbone. And remember one wouldn't even visit the
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Speaker 1: Kibbutz where Galit was murdered. When she went to Israel.
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Speaker 1: She was too gutless, too heartless. This is her legacy,
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Speaker 1: a foreign minister refusing to witness the scene of the
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Speaker 1: massacre of an Australian Jew. And Danny at the time
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Speaker 1: told me just how angry he was about that. The
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Speaker 1: Foreign Minister, Pennywong refused to come here. She refused to
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Speaker 1: see first hand what had happened. She did visit Israel,
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Speaker 1: but she refused to come to the Kibbut sim what's your.
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Speaker 12: Reaction to that?
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Speaker 11: Well, that's really a mind blower because one would think, Okay,
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Speaker 11: you made a trip half around the world, you circle
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Speaker 11: the globe, you got to Israel, and when you're asked,
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Speaker 11: why didn't you come down to Bellier, Why didn't you
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Speaker 11: contact any one of your civilians that live overseas. The
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Speaker 11: only thing you could say, oh, I had to meet
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Speaker 11: mister Danny Danona Yad Vashem. I didn't have time. I mean, seriously,
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Speaker 11: you're the foreign minister of a big country called Australia.
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Speaker 11: You come over to Israel. You've got one citizen that
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Speaker 11: was murdered. I think it's the only Australian citizen true
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Speaker 11: on the attack. Please make a little effort. I'm not
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Speaker 11: saying much. Contact us, contact our kids, Come and see
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Speaker 11: what happened firsthand.
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Speaker 1: You know, Penny Wong often speaks about Zomi Frankem whilst
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Speaker 1: slandering Israel, But have you noticed that she hardly ever
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Speaker 1: mentions Garllic Carbone Gullet is the Forgotten Australian perhaps because
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Speaker 1: she simply does doesn't suit the Albanezy government's narrative. And
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Speaker 1: this narrative of Penny Wong's encouraging public anger against Israel,
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Speaker 1: which therefore leads to anger against Zionists, is particularly dangerous
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Speaker 1: in the current climate, where this type of hatred has
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Speaker 1: directly led to attacks on Australian Jews. The police alleged
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Speaker 1: that the Bondai shooters were motivated by their hatred of
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Speaker 1: Zionists when they opened fire at Bondai Beach, shooting fifty
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Speaker 1: five and murdering fifteen. Surely Penny Wong and the Albanzy
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Speaker 1: government needs no greater reality check. For Pauline Hansen is
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Speaker 1: battling the Australian Federal Police to give her access to
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Speaker 1: an alleged secret Isis inspired manifesto recorded by the Bondai
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Speaker 1: gunman before the massacre. We know from court documents that
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Speaker 1: the video was found on a phone and supposedly shows
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Speaker 1: the father and son Si in front of the ISIS
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Speaker 1: flag while navide Akron recites a passage from the Quran.
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Speaker 1: One Nation was previously denied a freedom of information request
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Speaker 1: with police concern that it might spread violent extremism. But
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Speaker 1: Hanson is saying that the detailed descriptions of the video
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Speaker 1: and other material have already been released by the court
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Speaker 1: and reported on by the media. There's no reason to
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Speaker 1: keep the actual video secret, and she's now fighting with
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Speaker 1: the Information Commissioner to get the video released. We knew
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Speaker 1: debt under the Albanezi government was set to hit one
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Speaker 1: trillion dollars, and it reached that unfortunate milestone today. I
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Speaker 1: spoke to National's leader Matt Canavan about this just a
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Speaker 1: little while ago from Canberra. Matt, thank you so much
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Speaker 1: for your time. Look, this is a historic day in
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Speaker 1: a terrible way. A trillion dollars in debt, I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's almost hard to believe.
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Speaker 13: Well, look, we've now it's going to be coming for
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Speaker 13: a while, but it's just that this government hasn't done
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Speaker 13: enough to prepare for it. Obviously, during COVID we had
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Speaker 13: to spend quite a bit of money in response to
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Speaker 13: a lot of state covement decisions at the time. But
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Speaker 13: under this government they've actually received a massive windfall. There
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Speaker 13: has been a bigger terms of trade boom since COVID
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Speaker 13: then there was after the Great Global Financial Crisis. It's
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Speaker 13: been the biggest terms of trade boom in the nation's history.
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Speaker 13: It has seen four hundred billion dollars of extra revenue
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Speaker 13: come to Canberra then expected, and unfortunately this government has
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Speaker 13: wasted most of that. It has instead of saving that
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Speaker 13: of avoiding a trillion dollars in debt, it has the
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Speaker 13: Labor Party has engaged in the biggest spending spree we've
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Speaker 13: ever seen outside of COVID or a recession. We haven't
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Speaker 13: had a recession, we haven't had an economic downturn. Yet
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Speaker 13: we've wasted the bounty that came from very high iron ore,
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Speaker 13: coal and gas prices in the last few years, the
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Speaker 13: our receding and were left with this trillion dollars in
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Speaker 13: debt under Jim Charmers watch.
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Speaker 1: I mean you think back to Tony Abbott's first budget
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Speaker 1: when he declared a budget emergency. I mean we would
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Speaker 1: have shuddered at the time to think of a trillion
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Speaker 1: dollars in debt. But do you think Australians realize how
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Speaker 1: digh the situation is?
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Speaker 8: Do you think they care about the debt level.
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Speaker 4: Look, I think people are waking up.
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Speaker 13: They're waking up to the fact that their interest rates
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Speaker 13: have gone up fifteen times under this government and they
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Speaker 13: are related to the government spending and the debt. The
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Speaker 13: subsequent debt we're seeing. We have consistently had now for
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Speaker 13: the past twelve months or so, the highest interest rates
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Speaker 13: in the developed world. Now part of that, part of
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Speaker 13: it is because of that massive increase spending I just
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Speaker 13: mentioned that's pushed inflation up. Also inflation the highest in
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Speaker 13: the developed world in Australia, and that's meant interest rates
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Speaker 13: have had to go up with it. The global markets
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Speaker 13: and bond traders are talking, they're talking with their wallets
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Speaker 13: and not buying Australian government debt for as higher price
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Speaker 13: as they used to, and that means the interest rate
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Speaker 13: them for business in Australia, for households on their mortgage
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Speaker 13: are all higher, putting more economic pain on Australians during
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Speaker 13: a cost of living crisis and making it harder for
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Speaker 13: Australian businesses to invest and get back to a period
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Speaker 13: of economic growth.
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Speaker 1: Look just on the economic picture at a household level,
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Speaker 1: I mean bad news today with unemployment unexpectedly rising and
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Speaker 1: also the news that real wages are falling.
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Speaker 13: It's been a shocking shocker of a week for economic
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Speaker 13: statistics for Australia. The trillion dollars in debt, unemployment up
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Speaker 13: and it wasn't expected to go. Unemployment up and real
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Speaker 13: wages down. Basically everything that's good, like wages, like business confidence,
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Speaker 13: all of that stuff is going down under labor and
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Speaker 13: down at record rates. We've never seen a drop in
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Speaker 13: real wages in recorded economic history like we have in
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Speaker 13: the last few years. It's gone backwards three percent real wages.
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Speaker 13: They're back to levels we haven't seen real wages like
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Speaker 13: this since twenty eleven. So well, the government goes out
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Speaker 13: there and says, you know, wages are growing, so the
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Speaker 13: dollar value of your wages are growing. They just forget
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Speaker 13: to mention that the dollar value of your shopping trolley,
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Speaker 13: the price of everything is going up by more and
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Speaker 13: that means your real wage is what you can actually buy,
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Speaker 13: goes down and they're now down to a level that
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Speaker 13: we haven't seen astray since twenty eleven, so effectively our
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Speaker 13: living standards have gone backwards fifteen years, like this has
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Speaker 13: never happened in our history, and people go back to
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Speaker 13: living like it was at the sort of just birth
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Speaker 13: of the iPhone.
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Speaker 4: So that's what's happened last few years.
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Speaker 13: But this government continues to sprook with its talking points
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Speaker 13: that economic growth is great, that wages on the way up. Well,
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Speaker 13: if you can't admit there's a problem, how can you
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Speaker 13: be trusted to fix it? I mean, I think when
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Speaker 13: I talk to people out there, put the economic statistics aside.
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Speaker 13: People feel in their gut that the country's going backwards,
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Speaker 13: that they are having to run faster just to stand
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Speaker 13: still or sometimes still go backwards. They feel that that's
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Speaker 13: their lived experience and it's not wrong. But the Labor
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Speaker 13: Party is asking you to not believe your lying eyes
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Speaker 13: because they can't admit there's a problem, they've got no
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Speaker 13: hope of actually fixing it.
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Speaker 1: But isn't the issue politically at least for you, Matt,
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Speaker 1: that people do recognize the country's going backwards, certainly from
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Speaker 1: an economic standpoint, but they think Pauline Hanson's the answer.
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Speaker 13: Well, that's a challenge for us. Of course, I'm not
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Speaker 13: sure they do think that, or I leave people up
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Speaker 13: to think their own things, their minds up. But the
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Speaker 13: question then will become who is the best to manage
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Speaker 13: these diaeconomic circumstances.
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Speaker 4: Who's the best to pick.
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Speaker 13: Up our economy out of the dold rooms and get
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Speaker 13: it growing again. And I think we need someone like
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Speaker 13: Angus Taylor who understands business very very smart, knows how
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Speaker 13: to run a team. That's what we need right now
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Speaker 13: in these die economic times. You know, I'm not very
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Speaker 13: good at self promotion, but myself a first class honors
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Speaker 13: degree in economics, understand a thing or two about these statistics.
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Speaker 13: That's why I can reel them off to you. So
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Speaker 13: I think that's the sort of economic leadership we need.
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Speaker 13: And I recognize I've always recognized that resilience. Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 13: has shown a consistency and longevity in politics. But I
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Speaker 13: would argue what we need now for our country or
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Speaker 13: some people who can get the economy going again, get
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Speaker 13: business going, get tax palling settings right, get energy prices down,
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Speaker 13: secure our borders. All of those things will lead to
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Speaker 13: a lift in living stands.
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Speaker 1: Well Speaking of Pauline, she's come out today and said
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Speaker 1: that this video of the alleged Bondi attackers, which is
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Speaker 1: going to be careful with my language here. Now, it's
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Speaker 1: the video that they allegedly recorded before they went on
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Speaker 1: the massacre. In the police statement of facts, I've reported this.
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Speaker 1: You know, we know this is the case. They recorded
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Speaker 1: that video under the banner of the ISIS flag. We
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Speaker 1: also know that allegedly ISIS flags were found in their car. Now,
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Speaker 1: Paulin Enhanton has come out today called this video secret
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Speaker 1: and said that it should be made public. Now it
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Speaker 1: is part of the police case against the alleged perpetrators.
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Speaker 1: Do you think at this point it should be made public?
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Speaker 13: Look, I congratulate Pauline Hanson for bringing this to all
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Speaker 13: of our attention. I wasn't aware of it, so I
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Speaker 13: think that's a public service that she is doing there. Look,
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Speaker 13: I certainly think the video should be made public at
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Speaker 13: some point. I'm not an expert in legal opinion, so
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Speaker 13: perhaps the only reason it would be kept behind wraps
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Speaker 13: right now is not to in any way jeopardize impending
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Speaker 13: court proceedings. But perhaps the government, the Prime Minister could
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Speaker 13: make a commitment that everything will be released when and
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Speaker 13: if that will when those processes are complete.
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Speaker 4: Because this was the most.
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Speaker 13: Horrific terrorist attack in the nation's history, this evidence is
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Speaker 13: in the public interest, and obviously there is a legal
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Speaker 13: process to go through here involving these alleged attackers, but
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Speaker 13: there's also a broader social issue and response we need
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Speaker 13: in our country to ensure this doesn't happen again. That's
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Speaker 13: just as important, if not more important long term, to
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Speaker 13: make sure that we don't see the spread of radical,
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Speaker 13: violent language around our country, that we do see the
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Speaker 13: laws we have properly enforced in the future where they
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Speaker 13: weren't the last few years of blind eye was turned
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Speaker 13: it to lots of things, and who knows if that
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Speaker 13: could have stopped or prevented this.
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Speaker 4: But I don't want to die wondering.
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Speaker 13: I think we need to be much more vigil in
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Speaker 13: the future to avoid this ever happening again.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, completely agree, Matt Canavan, Thank you so much
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Speaker 1: for your time. Really appreciate it.
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Speaker 14: All right.
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Speaker 1: In comments made not long ago in the ABC, Anthony
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Speaker 1: Alberinezi has finally said that he regretted that now notorious
21:32
Speaker 1: Bush Deep podcast, specifically in relation.
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Speaker 10: To that what did you learn?
21:36
Speaker 6: Well, I learned that I need to do better every day.
21:41
Speaker 6: And of course if I had my time again, which
21:46
Speaker 6: you don't, then I wouldn't have done that podcast. You know,
21:48
Speaker 6: we have a view which is trying to talk to
21:52
Speaker 6: as many people as possible. But clearly that was an.
21:59
Speaker 1: Error, although of course he has no interest in talking
22:03
Speaker 1: to you the audience of News twenty file at night.
22:07
Speaker 1: Let's bring in now tonight's panel form in New South
22:10
Speaker 1: Wales Police Minister David Elliott and New's twenty four host
22:12
Speaker 1: James Morrow. No apology to Japanese Prime Minister Snai Takaichi, though.
22:18
Speaker 5: Waiter this humble pie. Send it back to the chef.
22:21
Speaker 5: It's undercooked. Come on, what was that?
22:24
Speaker 15: You know?
22:24
Speaker 5: Oh, you know, look, maybe I wouldn't have done that again,
22:27
Speaker 5: that's not an apology. That's not anywhere near good enough.
22:30
Speaker 5: And I just have to wonder. She's a private person,
22:32
Speaker 5: I know, but I would love to know whether or
22:35
Speaker 5: not Jody had anything to do with him making at
22:39
Speaker 5: least some concession here, because I would imagine, you know,
22:42
Speaker 5: she's a nice and normal person that they might have
22:44
Speaker 5: had a couple of conversations about this topic.
22:46
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, because he spoke about their private
22:49
Speaker 1: intimate life highly inappropriate. Would you have apologize sooner? You
22:53
Speaker 1: would never have done a podcast like that? Would you
22:55
Speaker 1: be a police?
22:56
Speaker 5: Sorry?
22:56
Speaker 7: It seems to be the hardest work, doesn't it. I mean,
22:59
Speaker 7: I listen, I mean, we do. You have to do
23:01
Speaker 7: some quirky media things when you're when you're in leadership
23:04
Speaker 7: roles like that in politics, but not talking about a
23:07
Speaker 7: foreign leader's melons. I think he did cross the line.
23:10
Speaker 1: Oh he's got shocking judgment, doesn't he.
23:13
Speaker 11: Well.
23:13
Speaker 8: Last night on.
23:14
Speaker 1: The show, I had a former SAS soldier Andrew Horse
23:17
Speaker 1: Hudson on. He'd already just met with the Veterans Affairs Minister.
23:20
Speaker 1: It was an appalling meeting, and he said he felt
23:22
Speaker 1: so disrespected by Matt Keo that he said he'd actually
23:26
Speaker 1: prefer to deal with the Taliban.
23:30
Speaker 7: Dealing with the Minister Keo.
23:32
Speaker 4: I think I'd prefer to deal with the Taliban. That
23:34
Speaker 4: was much more simple.
23:35
Speaker 1: You mean, yeah, I found that hard to believe. I said,
23:39
Speaker 1: surely that's an exaggeration. But today the Coalition asked the
23:43
Speaker 1: Prime Minister about this comment and question time.
23:47
Speaker 15: A veteran who served multiple combat tools in Afghanistan said,
23:51
Speaker 15: and I quote dealing with Minister Keo, I think I'd
23:55
Speaker 15: prefer to deal with.
23:56
Speaker 4: The Taliban Prime minister.
23:58
Speaker 15: How much more is needed before you sack this incompetent minister.
24:04
Speaker 6: I think that was unfortunate, quite used by.
24:14
Speaker 4: I think that is I have a problem with the Taliban.
24:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, James, it does seem extreme. You know,
24:21
Speaker 1: they were literally fighting the Taliban. But maybe this shows
24:24
Speaker 1: just how angry the veterans are feeling.
24:26
Speaker 5: It totally does. Every veteran of been speaking too says
24:28
Speaker 5: exactly this and a lot more. You know, two very
24:31
Speaker 5: quick things here on that number one that's very revealing
24:34
Speaker 5: the way Anthony Albanezi moved to blame Horse for saying
24:38
Speaker 5: what he said, saying that was an unfortunate turn of phrase.
24:41
Speaker 5: Oh okay, I'd like to see him say that to
24:43
Speaker 5: his face. But you know, there's something that's right about that,
24:46
Speaker 5: because dealing with the Taliban, you know, the Taliban I
24:49
Speaker 5: think has a respect for their martial enemy, even and
24:52
Speaker 5: somebody in uniform that I don't think Matt Keal has
24:55
Speaker 5: any respect for the people in uniform. But it's a
24:57
Speaker 5: problem the left and the labor has had for a
25:01
Speaker 5: decade since before Vietnam. You know, there are problems with
25:04
Speaker 5: anzac DA and an Zachary and Vietnam. The Left has
25:08
Speaker 5: a very diffident relationship with military service with the veteran community,
25:13
Speaker 5: and I think that it has come straight to the
25:14
Speaker 5: fore here in the person of Matt Kiel.
25:17
Speaker 1: You know, it's all been about this meeting and the
25:19
Speaker 1: fact that Matt Kea refused to meet with them. But
25:21
Speaker 1: the key issue is cutting much needed health services for
25:25
Speaker 1: veterans who put their lives on the line, and you
25:29
Speaker 1: know some of them will never be the same trauma
25:33
Speaker 1: health issues all the rest they put their lives on
25:35
Speaker 1: the line for our country, for all of us.
25:37
Speaker 7: Well, that's exactly right. And I mean, I want to
25:38
Speaker 7: know how many veterans were actually using more than five
25:42
Speaker 7: thousand dollars of auxiliary services, because I'm a veteran, I've
25:44
Speaker 7: never gone anywhere near it, and I don't think that
25:47
Speaker 7: that you'd find that the government has actually saved very
25:50
Speaker 7: much money. So they're going through this pain and the
25:52
Speaker 7: fact that they will not walk back from it is
25:55
Speaker 7: bloody mindedness. Veterans Minister should be the most honorable for
26:00
Speaker 7: any politician. I can't think of a more honorable calling
26:03
Speaker 7: than being the minister responsible for managing the welfare of
26:07
Speaker 7: those that have put their laws on the line for us.
26:09
Speaker 7: And Matt Kea has to go because his major stakeholders
26:13
Speaker 7: are just folded.
26:14
Speaker 15: In on him.
26:15
Speaker 7: And the RAS still needs to step up. But because
26:17
Speaker 7: their federal president is a former labor politician, they're not
26:20
Speaker 7: going through. And that's a disgrace.
26:22
Speaker 1: That makes sense. I mean, it's just disgusting when you
26:24
Speaker 1: think they've got a trillion dollars in debt, so they're
26:26
Speaker 1: spending money everywhere, but this is where they're coming when
26:29
Speaker 1: it comes to veterans.
26:30
Speaker 5: Look.
26:30
Speaker 1: I spoke at the start of the show about the
26:32
Speaker 1: tragic death of eighteen year old hiker Lily Hooper, but
26:35
Speaker 1: James adding to the pain for her parents was this
26:38
Speaker 1: ten minutes when she was told, when they were told
26:42
Speaker 1: by police that she was alive.
26:44
Speaker 5: It's horrific, you, I mean, I can't even begin to
26:48
Speaker 5: think about what that roller coaster would be like. I mean, everybody,
26:52
Speaker 5: we all on our phones, the news twenty four app,
26:54
Speaker 5: everybody's apps came well for all the news service. She's alive,
26:56
Speaker 5: she's a liarge, she's a love And then they say, oh, oops,
26:59
Speaker 5: everyone is here's a great new story. Is that everybody?
27:02
Speaker 5: You know, I just think everybody in whatever small way
27:05
Speaker 5: they had is warning with this family.
27:07
Speaker 1: What did you think of the police response when you know,
27:10
Speaker 1: I mean the commissioner tried to clean it up later, right,
27:12
Speaker 1: and he apologized, But the Assistant Police Commissioner came up first.
27:16
Speaker 1: He just was kind of saying, well, it was only
27:18
Speaker 1: eight to ten minutes.
27:19
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think they're shocked. Joe Cassar, the
27:22
Speaker 7: Assistant commission is one of the state's finest. So I'll
27:24
Speaker 7: back into the hilt on this one, and Mail Nanion
27:26
Speaker 7: is not responsible for this. My Mail apologize Matt mal
27:31
Speaker 7: and you know he's again he'll probably go down as
27:33
Speaker 7: one of the great police leaders that we've had. My
27:35
Speaker 7: understanding is that the sees found the body and they
27:38
Speaker 7: use the wrong terminology. When they were advising the command
27:42
Speaker 7: post that the body had been found but was deceased.
27:46
Speaker 7: They used they're supposed to use one code word.
27:49
Speaker 8: The guys say's about the bottle of water, that's right,
27:52
Speaker 8: and reig that to us.
27:53
Speaker 7: So when the sees, every combat agent's combat agency's got
27:57
Speaker 7: its own terminology. But for the sees. If they find
28:00
Speaker 7: a body that's that's alive, it's the bottle the bottle
28:03
Speaker 7: of water is found full. If they find that the
28:06
Speaker 7: person is injured, it's the bottle of the ward is
28:08
Speaker 7: half full. And if they find that the person is deceased,
28:11
Speaker 7: it's the bottle of an empty bottle of water. That
28:13
Speaker 7: is because so many people listen to the scanners, that is,
28:15
Speaker 7: to make sure that the general public don't find out
28:18
Speaker 7: before the next of kin find out. Now, remember ninety
28:21
Speaker 7: five percent of the sees of volunteers. We cannot criticize
28:24
Speaker 7: them for not knowing the terminology. Maybe it was maybe
28:27
Speaker 7: it was somebody that's only been put onto that.
28:29
Speaker 1: I take your point, But shouldn't police have verified before
28:32
Speaker 1: telling it?
28:33
Speaker 7: That will be an error. That's probably why Mal Lanyon
28:36
Speaker 7: took the can for it today. It's unfortunate. I know
28:40
Speaker 7: Mal well enough that he will be beating himself up
28:43
Speaker 7: over that, as I suspect the Premier is beating himself
28:46
Speaker 7: up over that because they thought that they were given
28:48
Speaker 7: confirmed reports and they weren't given confirmed reports. This is
28:52
Speaker 7: this is a great tragedy in every sense of the word.
28:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, such a big mistake.
28:57
Speaker 8: James, I'm keen to ask you about these golf under rules.
29:00
Speaker 1: This story in Australia today where Golf Australia announced amateur
29:04
Speaker 1: players can compete under a men's or women's handicap based
29:08
Speaker 1: on their gender identity.
29:10
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, this is a bit weird because you know,
29:12
Speaker 5: golf is a sport that is an upper body kind
29:15
Speaker 5: of thing, you know, swinging the club, you know. I
29:17
Speaker 5: mean you can sort of say there's some you know,
29:19
Speaker 5: prehiscess as golf without balls here, but is it is
29:23
Speaker 5: very I think it'd be unfair to people competing, you know,
29:27
Speaker 5: as females that if they're competing with somebody is with
29:30
Speaker 5: all these sports who has gone through puberty and it
29:34
Speaker 5: developed physically as a male.
29:36
Speaker 15: You know.
29:37
Speaker 5: It's it's just I don't know why they're doing it
29:39
Speaker 5: because everybody else, everybody else has started to retreat from
29:43
Speaker 5: this and other sports around the world, So why are
29:45
Speaker 5: they doing this?
29:46
Speaker 1: So you'll have men, sorry women born biologically as men
29:50
Speaker 1: being able to compete in the women's golf tournament, yes,
29:53
Speaker 1: and then have an unfair correct.
29:55
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's this thing we've seen with so many sports,
29:58
Speaker 5: soccer and a million other sports, you know, We've seen
30:01
Speaker 5: this with the Olympics with weightlifting, and I just think
30:03
Speaker 5: it's very strange for the golf industry to be going
30:07
Speaker 5: in down this path here when you know the Olympics
30:10
Speaker 5: have gone back, everybody else has started to retreat from
30:15
Speaker 5: that sort of self identification being the thing when you know,
30:20
Speaker 5: sport is physics, it's biology, and these things are immutable
30:25
Speaker 5: no matter what people say.
30:27
Speaker 1: Indeed, exactly right now, you've got a big day tomorrow,
30:30
Speaker 1: David Elliott. You're giving evidence at the ICAC, the New
30:34
Speaker 1: Southwest Corruption Body. Now you're probably going to be asked
30:37
Speaker 1: about the fact that this property develop who's now in Lebanon,
30:41
Speaker 1: genisif hired a private investigator to follow you around.
30:46
Speaker 8: Did you have any idea.
30:47
Speaker 1: When you were a police minister that there was a
30:49
Speaker 1: PI following you?
30:51
Speaker 9: Yeah?
30:51
Speaker 4: I did.
30:52
Speaker 7: I mean just a tip if you're a PI, don't
30:54
Speaker 7: chase the police minister because he's got fourteen thousand police
30:57
Speaker 7: officers looking watching his back. So she took photos of
31:00
Speaker 7: the private investigator taking photos of me at the end
31:03
Speaker 7: of my streets. So this guy's like Maxwell Smart of
31:05
Speaker 7: New South Wales.
31:06
Speaker 4: Private But yet.
31:08
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was traumatic in the sense that you don't.
31:10
Speaker 7: Nobody wants somebody looking into their wife's bedroom. I mean,
31:13
Speaker 7: you know, nobody wants somebody going through their mailbox. We
31:16
Speaker 7: had to we had to lock our side gate and
31:19
Speaker 7: put our garbage on the other side of it because
31:21
Speaker 7: it's it was. These are very, very evil people and
31:24
Speaker 7: unfortunately some of them were in the Liberal.
31:26
Speaker 1: Party and I get someone onto it at the time.
31:28
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I can't talk about all
31:30
Speaker 7: the evidence, but this is not nothing that's going to
31:33
Speaker 7: be coming out tomorrow. All that's come out so far
31:36
Speaker 7: in the IKA investigation was necessarily newsed to me.
31:39
Speaker 1: Because you're not going to Are you going to drop
31:40
Speaker 1: a bombshell tomorrow that could see.
31:42
Speaker 7: Some sort of moon in they could see a political
31:45
Speaker 7: career or two.
31:46
Speaker 1: And but seriously, have you got some big revelations.
31:49
Speaker 7: No, Well, it's really up to what they want to confirm,
31:52
Speaker 7: because you know this, this investigation has been going on
31:54
Speaker 7: since the last day of elections, so there's a lot
31:57
Speaker 7: of work that's already been done. And I mean, I
32:00
Speaker 7: think probably what we've seen thus far is not only
32:03
Speaker 7: the end of some careers, but potentially some jail sentences.
32:06
Speaker 1: That's your prediction, Yeah, because.
32:08
Speaker 7: You know, when people collude after they've given evidence, and
32:10
Speaker 7: people delete things when they're under summons, that's not always
32:13
Speaker 7: a good look under the courts jurisdiction.
32:15
Speaker 8: David Elliott James Morrow.
32:17
Speaker 1: Great to see both, thank you coming out. Labour's spending
32:21
Speaker 1: addiction has seen our national debt reach historic heights.
32:25
Speaker 8: Plus the irony that.
32:26
Speaker 1: Despite Albanese is mass migration, we aren't getting enough skilled
32:30
Speaker 1: builders for new homes. That's next welcome back. With Labour's
32:37
Speaker 1: high migration levels are placing immense pressure on the country's
32:40
Speaker 1: housing supply. But despite massive migration figures, financial journalist Alan
32:45
Speaker 1: Kohler says, we're shot about one hundred and fifteen thousand
32:48
Speaker 1: construction workers, making it difficult to meet the government's one
32:52
Speaker 1: point two million dollar one point two million home target.
32:56
Speaker 14: It's absolute nightmare. The number of construction workers coming in
33:00
Speaker 14: is minimal and the reason for that is because they
33:03
Speaker 14: have this tiered system, so they have tier one, two, three,
33:06
Speaker 14: four that determines how many people can come in under
33:09
Speaker 14: each profession. Construction is on tier three.
33:15
Speaker 1: And for more on this, real estate expert and auctioneer
33:18
Speaker 1: Tompana strains me now and ampchief economist Shane Oliver, wonderful
33:22
Speaker 1: to see you both.
33:24
Speaker 8: Shane's starting with you.
33:27
Speaker 1: Is this right, is part of the issue that we
33:29
Speaker 1: don't have enough skilled builders?
33:33
Speaker 16: It certainly is, Shari. And the unfortunate thing about it
33:37
Speaker 16: is that the Housing Industry Association have been telling us
33:40
Speaker 16: this for years now. It's nothing new. We have a
33:43
Speaker 16: dramatic shortage of tradees. Every budget we hear about new
33:47
Speaker 16: apprenticeship places and more money for skills training, and yet
33:52
Speaker 16: it doesn't solve the problem. We end up with the
33:53
Speaker 16: ongoing shortage of people to simply build homes. That's why
33:57
Speaker 16: it costs so much to get a trader in to
33:59
Speaker 16: fix something around your house, because there's a chronic shortage
34:02
Speaker 16: of them.
34:03
Speaker 1: I mean, with Ai coming in, tradees is really the
34:05
Speaker 1: one job that's irreplaceable, Tom No correct.
34:08
Speaker 15: I mean, if you want to get wealthy, I think
34:11
Speaker 15: stop being a podcaster and start becoming a trade There's
34:14
Speaker 15: I think of around one hundred and twenty thousand short
34:16
Speaker 15: to be doing residential real estate. And I've got to
34:20
Speaker 15: say in the sixties and the fifties, a lot of
34:23
Speaker 15: the migrants that were coming in were people that were
34:26
Speaker 15: skilled labor. We have gone down the path where a
34:29
Speaker 15: lot of times it's more family reunions now that you
34:32
Speaker 15: get migrants coming in.
34:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. That is one of the issues that's
34:35
Speaker 1: a problem. Just Shane turning to the housing outlook. I mean,
34:39
Speaker 1: we're being told that there's going to be around thirty
34:42
Speaker 1: or up to thirty percent fewer houses being sold because
34:46
Speaker 1: of the tax changes in the budget. I mean, whether
34:49
Speaker 1: or not you agree with the tax changes, it has
34:51
Speaker 1: had a massive impact on the housing market.
34:54
Speaker 8: Do you think this is going to settle or get worse?
34:57
Speaker 16: I think for the time being it's going to get worse.
34:59
Speaker 16: Some fortunate Actually, just a rejoinder to what Tom said there.
35:04
Speaker 16: If you think about the film They're a Weird Mob,
35:05
Speaker 16: it's worth googling. It was a classic film about migration
35:09
Speaker 16: to Australia. It's based on a book from the fifties,
35:11
Speaker 16: a film in the sixties. And what is he doing
35:14
Speaker 16: is out there building Australian homes out in the suburbs.
35:17
Speaker 16: That's what used to happen, but unfortunately it doesn't happen
35:19
Speaker 16: these days. But I reckon the reality is those home builders,
35:23
Speaker 16: those big home builders, are telling us that the demand
35:27
Speaker 16: has fallen. The housing industry association's own new home sales
35:32
Speaker 16: indexes also falling. That's the sort of thing that often
35:35
Speaker 16: happens when interest rates go up. But the problem is
35:37
Speaker 16: you've combined that with these tax changes that make it
35:40
Speaker 16: a lot less attractive for investors going into the market,
35:43
Speaker 16: even though there's still that exemption for new dwellings. So
35:46
Speaker 16: I think this is going to be a drag. It's
35:48
Speaker 16: going to go on for a while. We're already running.
35:51
Speaker 16: We've gone two years now that the home building target
35:54
Speaker 16: under the CORD is to build two hundred and forty
35:55
Speaker 16: thousand homes a year. For the last couple of years
35:57
Speaker 16: it's been about one hundred and seventy thousand. Once you
36:00
Speaker 16: allow for demolitions and so on, it's even less than that.
36:03
Speaker 16: So we're going to go through another three years of
36:05
Speaker 16: the same thing. And I think this is a major
36:07
Speaker 16: major problem. That is why housing affordability in Australia is
36:11
Speaker 16: so poor.
36:12
Speaker 1: You're seeing this on the ground. I mean I spoke
36:15
Speaker 1: to you, I think last week on Thursday time, and
36:18
Speaker 1: you said there were not many properties going up for
36:21
Speaker 1: auction on the Saturday. It would be this thing this week.
36:24
Speaker 15: So Shari, for me, I'm far more concerned about the
36:28
Speaker 15: volume more than prices. Look, prices have gone down, but
36:31
Speaker 15: let's not forget they went up fifty sixty percent during
36:33
Speaker 15: those COVID years, right, so we've had a bit of repositioning.
36:36
Speaker 15: I'm more concerned about the volume because the volume has
36:38
Speaker 15: an impact on not just the real estate industry. It
36:41
Speaker 15: has an impact on the mortgage industry, on removalless on
36:45
Speaker 15: jbhigh fives reduced what they thought they were going to
36:47
Speaker 15: make because and they've attributed to that to the fact
36:49
Speaker 15: that people aren't moving. And of course state government getting
36:54
Speaker 15: their stamp duty revenue that's collapsing at the moment as well,
36:57
Speaker 15: and that's built on volume. So it is quite concerning.
37:01
Speaker 15: It is very, very concerning. And I've got to agree
37:03
Speaker 15: with what Shane is saying. There's nothing in the immediate
37:07
Speaker 15: futures that's going to say something's going to change all
37:10
Speaker 15: of a sudden. I mean, we need some sort of
37:11
Speaker 15: circuit breaker, but there's nothing in the short term horizon.
37:16
Speaker 1: I mean, Shane, you've been covering the economy and the
37:19
Speaker 1: markets for a long time now. A trillion dollars in
37:22
Speaker 1: debt today, the housing market in a crunch. I mean,
37:26
Speaker 1: are you worried about how Australia is sitting.
37:29
Speaker 16: Well, I am a little bit, and I have been
37:32
Speaker 16: for the last few years now. There's I'm generally an
37:34
Speaker 16: optimist on things, and I started my career in the
37:38
Speaker 16: time of Hawk and Keating. Lots of deregulation got the
37:40
Speaker 16: economy moving again, productivity up. HOWD Costello continued that, but
37:44
Speaker 16: ever since then it seems we've been a bit of
37:46
Speaker 16: a downhill slide. We've let things go and that's I
37:51
Speaker 16: guess highlighted by that debt figure today. Of course, one
37:54
Speaker 16: trillion dollar is just a round number. It's neither here
37:57
Speaker 16: nor there, but the fact that it's come up from
37:59
Speaker 16: net zero if you go back to where we were
38:01
Speaker 16: pre GST, it's a major concern and it's continuing to rise.
38:06
Speaker 16: The longer we run budget deficits, we've got to keep borrowing.
38:09
Speaker 16: We add to that debt and the problem for all
38:12
Speaker 16: of us is that servicing that debt is taking up
38:16
Speaker 16: and bigger proportion of government spending. I think we spend
38:21
Speaker 16: more on it than we do on the army, on
38:22
Speaker 16: unemployment benefits, on childcare and so on. That I think
38:26
Speaker 16: is a major concern. And as interest rates rise globally.
38:30
Speaker 16: That pressure will only get greater.
38:32
Speaker 1: I mean, very very quickly, Tom, I'm in the government's underbelly.
38:35
Speaker 1: Any pressure over this though.
38:37
Speaker 15: Thirty billion dollars is the interest bill a year. That's
38:41
Speaker 15: that thirty billion can't That's not building a hospital, that's
38:44
Speaker 15: not building a house, that's not paying for any health services.
38:47
Speaker 15: Thirty billion dollars is the interest repayment.
38:50
Speaker 1: Unbelievable. All right, got to go, Thank you boy so much,
38:53
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Coming up, Harry and Meghan returning to the UK.
38:58
Speaker 1: Will they be welcomed? Plus the government booklet telling asylum
39:01
Speaker 1: seekers how to behave? Tom Slater's after the break welcome back.
39:08
Speaker 1: Let's turn to London now, where I'm joined by Spiked
39:11
Speaker 1: Online editor Tom Slater. Tom, good to see you. Look,
39:14
Speaker 1: the UK Home Office has released this unbelievable nine page
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Speaker 1: booklet telling asylum seekers.
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Speaker 8: How to behave. What sort of stuff does it have
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Speaker 8: in there?
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Speaker 4: I mean this is absolutely shocking, Sharry.
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Speaker 12: So some of the instructions that asylum seekers are given
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Speaker 12: is that child abuse is a serious crime in the
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Speaker 12: United Kingdom, that domestic violence is illegal in the United Kingdom,
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Speaker 12: and that if you are to perhaps sex with someone
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Speaker 12: both parties must say yes, and that this is called consent.
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Speaker 4: These are all basically direct quotes.
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Speaker 12: Almost most chillingly of all, at the bottom of each
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Speaker 12: of these little graphics that you're seeing on the screen,
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Speaker 12: there is the line if you break these laws, you
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Speaker 12: may be reported to the police and you may lose
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Speaker 12: your asylum support, not should or will.
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Speaker 4: I think this speaks.
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Speaker 12: Volumes about how the authorities have effectively known that what
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Speaker 12: they've been doing is allowing people into the country with
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Speaker 12: very different values to our own, a threat to British citizens,
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Speaker 12: no idea who they are, no sense of security. This
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Speaker 12: is a really grim admission of that in my view.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the fact that they have to tell people
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Speaker 1: that you need to get consent is a worry, isn't it?
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Speaker 12: Oh completely, and I think it basically shows that a
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Speaker 12: lot of the critics of the uncontrolled legal migration that
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Speaker 12: we've had were right, which is, if you throw up
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Speaker 12: on your border to people of whom you know very little,
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Speaker 12: often coming from countries like Eritrea or Afghanistan where there
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Speaker 12: are deeply entrenched cultures of misogyny rampant sexual violence, then
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Speaker 12: you're going to end up with more of those horrific
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Speaker 12: crimes in the UK as we see day to day
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Speaker 12: in our newspapers. This is an admission of guilt, and
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Speaker 12: a pretty horrific one.
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Speaker 16: I think.
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Speaker 1: So big news, of course that Harry and Meghan are
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Speaker 1: set to move back to the UK. What's behind this?
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Speaker 1: And how do you think the British public will welcome them?
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Speaker 12: Yeah, we'll welcome my slightly strong way of putting it.
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Speaker 12: I mean, what did we do to deserve this? This
41:04
Speaker 12: seems to be. The reasons for it have not been
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Speaker 12: openly reported. We do know that this is something that's
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Speaker 12: been in the works for the long time, although interestingly
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Speaker 12: the King wasn't informed when they had that recent visit
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Speaker 12: between Prince Harry and the children and the King not
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Speaker 12: too long ago. I wonder if it's the case that
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Speaker 12: the attempts to turn Harry and Meghan into Californian celebrities
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Speaker 12: clearly hasn't been going as well as they had hoped.
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Speaker 12: The initial interest in them has certainly died down. I
41:31
Speaker 12: think the Americans have started to realize what we Brits
41:34
Speaker 12: did a long time ago, which is that they're not
41:36
Speaker 12: nearly as interesting or as captivating.
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Speaker 4: Figures as they like to make out.
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Speaker 12: So they are coming back to the UK, not to
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Speaker 12: resume any royal duties, it's worth stressing, but to be
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Speaker 12: housed here full time. So yes, I don't think many
41:47
Speaker 12: people will be getting the bunting out, but nevertheless, it's
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Speaker 12: an interesting turn in this story.
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Speaker 1: I would have thought they would have had more privacy
41:54
Speaker 1: in the United States than in the UK, But there
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Speaker 1: you go. Just before you go, Earl Spencer to release
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Speaker 1: a new book about his sister, the late Princess Diana
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Speaker 1: next month. This is nearly thirty years since her passing.
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Speaker 8: Tell us about this book?
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Speaker 1: What do we know about it?
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Speaker 12: So what we know is that Elspecser is quite keen
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Speaker 12: to set the story straight as he sees it, to
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Speaker 12: talk primarily about the kind of person that his sister was.
42:18
Speaker 12: We will remember how damning he was of the media
42:21
Speaker 12: and their role in the final months of Diana's life,
42:25
Speaker 12: so maybe there'll be reltigation of that to a certain extent,
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Speaker 12: but the details are a little bit unclear. What is clear
42:30
Speaker 12: is that apparently so inundated with requests for interviews in
42:33
Speaker 12: the run ups of this anniversary, that he just wanted
42:35
Speaker 12: to put this out as a miss to setting the
42:37
Speaker 12: record straight and something I'm sure will generate a lot
42:39
Speaker 12: of interest given the long shadow that Diana continues to
42:42
Speaker 12: cast over British public life.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if it's content is of any interest at all,
42:47
Speaker 1: I'm sure it'll be a bestseller. Great his years always
42:50
Speaker 1: thank you still to calm and academic schools. Penny Wang
42:55
Speaker 1: about the Israeli judicial systems. James Patterson puts a Green
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Speaker 1: Senator in his after he runs with a dangerous conspiracy theory.
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Speaker 1: That's after the break. Thanks for tuning in and joining me.
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Speaker 1: Now is antisemitism scholar and writer doctor Nia Lecht, who's
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Speaker 1: in Melbourne on a speaking tour. Nia, welcome to Australia
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Speaker 1: and thanks for making the time for us. Look, as
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Speaker 1: you know today there's been this Israeli government investigation. Our
43:23
Speaker 1: Foreign Minister has in very harsh terms blamed the Israeli
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Speaker 1: government for a decision made by the independent judiciary not
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Speaker 1: to press criminal charges. How dangerous do you think this
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Speaker 1: is in terms of, you know, playing into the anger
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Speaker 1: towards Zionists.
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Speaker 2: Well, thanks for having me, Yes, I think this is
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Speaker 2: very dangerous. But this is exactly what antizionism is and
43:47
Speaker 2: what antizionism does. And how I know that this is
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Speaker 2: about a fixation on Israel is that Penny Wong said
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Speaker 2: nothing about Galite Carbon who was slaughter in Kibbutzbury on
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Speaker 2: October seventh, and she was an Australian citizen who made
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Speaker 2: Aliyah silence, no investigation about that. So this is what
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Speaker 2: anti Zionism is. It's fixated on Israel and takes every
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Speaker 2: opportunity it can to demonize Zionism, to demonize Israel. Furthermore,
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Speaker 2: Israel is in the midst of a war. Israel doesn't
44:22
Speaker 2: have time right now to investigate certain crimes or alleged crimes.
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Speaker 2: So this is an unrealistic expectation of any country during war.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Pennywong has spoken about Galit, but just nowhere
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Speaker 1: near as much as she's spoken about Zoemi. Frank I
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Speaker 1: mentioned that earlier in the show. I'm not sure if
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Speaker 1: you've heard about this, but a new South Wales Supreme
44:45
Speaker 1: Court judge has made a shocking comment. He was handing
44:47
Speaker 1: down a judgment in relation to a perpetrator who allegedly
44:51
Speaker 1: terrorized Sydney's Jewish community with anti Semitic graffiti. Now, the
44:56
Speaker 1: perpetrator actually had a Heswela tattoo on his neck, but
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Speaker 1: the judge said a rule that his actions were not
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Speaker 1: anti Semitic, and he threw out the government's bid to
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Speaker 1: place him on an extended terrorism ORTA. Now I can
45:09
Speaker 1: reveal the new Sothel's government is examining this whether to
45:14
Speaker 1: appeal this decision. They're getting urgent legal advice about it.
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Speaker 1: But the issue is that there's a judge that can
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Speaker 1: think this way. What are your views on this?
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Speaker 2: You know, we could be angry all we want about
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Speaker 2: this judge, But the truth of the matter is, until
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Speaker 2: we name the disease, the disorder, the scorge that is
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Speaker 2: haunting Jews, which is anti Zionism. It's not classical anti Semitism.
45:37
Speaker 2: It's not the graffiti isn't burned the Jews. Hitler didn't
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Speaker 2: finish his job. It's f Israel. That is the new
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Speaker 2: language of othering and demonizing Jews. That is anti Zionism.
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Speaker 2: And until we the Jewish community and our allies build
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Speaker 2: a robust understanding around what I call the third era
45:56
Speaker 2: of jew hatred. It's a demonization project which fixates on
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Speaker 2: Israel largely, our judges are going to continue to miss
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Speaker 2: these slogans. These libels are deployed against Israel because we
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Speaker 2: in the Jewish community are so very wedded to the
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Speaker 2: Holocaust and anti Semitism paradigm of understanding jew hatred. The
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Speaker 2: Jews are being othered and demonized in an entirely, entirely
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Speaker 2: new language.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's fascinating in many ways.
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Speaker 1: It gets excused this freedom of speech, political expression, which
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Speaker 1: is exactly what this judge did. But I want to
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Speaker 1: show you these comments. I think you're going to be shocked. Now,
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Speaker 1: this is a Green senator. It's a political party, far
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Speaker 1: left political party. Nick McKim. Now he was forced to
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Speaker 1: withdraw comments after he accused the Albanese government of being
46:46
Speaker 1: captured by Zionist but he didn't actually withdraw those comments.
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Speaker 17: Have a look at this a Libra party that has
46:54
Speaker 17: completely lost its why, captured by fossil fuel interests, captured
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Speaker 17: by Zai interests, captured by.
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Speaker 4: The Five Eyes security? What are your dad?
47:07
Speaker 17: Might You're captured boys honest interest as well?
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Speaker 4: M kim. Well, I have withdrawn the comments made in
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Speaker 4: Russian sen Patterson. I am a senator, McKim.
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Speaker 17: I'm entitled to say that Zion's interests.
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Speaker 1: So a liberal Senator James Patterson pulled him up. He
47:22
Speaker 1: made some really strong remarks that asked him to withdraw,
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Speaker 1: but he wouldn't withdraw those actual comments.
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Speaker 8: What do you think about.
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Speaker 1: Seeing a display like that on the floor of the
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Speaker 1: Australian Senate in a.
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Speaker 2: Ser I find this so hypocritical and ironic that this
47:37
Speaker 2: is being said by a progressive liberal person, because what
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Speaker 2: he's basically saying is no different than what the father
47:45
Speaker 2: of modern anti Semitism, Wilhelm mar said. He had expressed
47:49
Speaker 2: anxiety that the Jew the sea might they recoded Jew
47:52
Speaker 2: to Sea mat in the era of anti Semitism, will
47:55
Speaker 2: take over Germany. This is the same anxiety of the
47:59
Speaker 2: Jews take over. They're just code switching to Zionist, but
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Speaker 2: the underlying DNA, the underlying kind of the way that
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Speaker 2: it is expressing that anxiety, is exactly the same. It's
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Speaker 2: remarkable how similar this is playing out in twenty twenty six,
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Speaker 2: in the twenty first century. This is no different from
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Speaker 2: my understanding of classical even anti Semitism, which really was
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Speaker 2: worried about the Jews taking over Germany, the Jews taking
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Speaker 2: over the Russian Empire, the Zionists now taking over the
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Speaker 2: Labor Party. It's remarkable. Really, he's you know, this is
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Speaker 2: this is actually classical anti semitism. But he's of course
48:42
Speaker 2: thinks he's very clever. He's flying under the radar because
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Speaker 2: he's using the term Zionism, and he thinks he's evading
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Speaker 2: our understanding of exactly what's happening. And this is both
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Speaker 2: anti Semitic and anti Zionist at the same time.
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Speaker 1: Of course that's your view. I'm not accusing him of
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Speaker 1: being those things at all. And you know, he did
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Speaker 1: say he wouldn't withdraw the remarks, but he did tell
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Speaker 1: James Patterson that he'd reflect on the criticisms that he made,
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Speaker 1: he'd reflect on what he had to say. Well, Nai,
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Speaker 1: thank you very much for your time, really appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: And thank you everyone at home for your company this week.
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Speaker 1: I see you on Monday eight o'clock. Headley Thomas is
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Speaker 1: on the show right now. Paul Murray